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Speaker 1: Good morning, swirld, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by Fan Duel. It's Wednesday, July twenty ninth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm Jay Skeith, back in the Classic Factory

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Speaker 1: and alongside me as always task.

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Speaker 2: Milists podcast listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's my top shot hot.

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Speaker 1: Boy, Trey Kirby, he Ao and over Yonder right over

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Speaker 1: there making the magic happen. Super producer jd Hello, there

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Speaker 1: he is here.

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Speaker 1: Hello to everybody joining us on YouTube. Hit the like button,

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Speaker 1: subscribe podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: we're going to take a look at the remaining free agents.

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Speaker 1: Who's left on the market.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of guys, not a lot, not a

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Speaker 3: lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: Intel and new sort of rumors around some of the

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Speaker 1: restricted freegin guys. We'll get into that. We'll also have

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Speaker 1: some fun by drafting the worst NBA nicknames of all time.

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Speaker 1: We'll do five rounds of I guess crappy nicknames.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of bad nicknames. I know a lot

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah there is, But I gotta know, did anything happen

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Speaker 1: while I was away in Croatia on vacation.

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Speaker 3: Any big news. You saw the Jani Broom salary dump.

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Speaker 2: Do you see that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, spot cleared for KCP on the Sixers.

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Speaker 3: That was their big move. That was six year that's

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Speaker 3: all they did. Okay, they made a couple of moves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was fun to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: I guess we worked out timing wise for you after

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Speaker 1: you did that Friday Drop podcast. Yeah, and what tray

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Speaker 1: you said, like twenty twenty five minutes after you had

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Speaker 1: wrapped up, here comes the Lebron news perfect seventy six ers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you're all.

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Speaker 2: Here, thanks Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice of them, and it was well

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Speaker 1: it was a sham's tweet, it was, but also some

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Speaker 1: other tweets exact that they had obviously choreographed.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't podcasted about it yet, though, has he no

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Speaker 3: think upset upset alert?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy. That was very fun to find out over

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. It was weird.

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Speaker 1: One of those weird things where I'm like get the

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Speaker 1: news and I'm like, looking around, is anybody else reacting

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Speaker 1: here at the beach club I met they were all

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Speaker 1: waiting for nobody cared, I guess nobody was on their phone,

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Speaker 1: but I was excited to get your coverage, guys, and

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Speaker 1: you did a great job. Not really a ton to

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Speaker 1: add you guys already went through like how he's gonna

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Speaker 1: fit offensively, can they hold up defensively, all the other things.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta say pumped as an East Coast guy

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Speaker 1: that on our side for those early start times. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's fun. But man, that was a swerve. It was

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Speaker 1: a swarf. As you guys addressed and everybody's addressed, I

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Speaker 1: think him going to Philadelphia quite lower on the list

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Speaker 1: of the options because like you're like like all the

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Speaker 1: other ones felt like, I guess the best way to

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Speaker 1: put is like easier options, Like you could go to

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Speaker 1: Golden State and just golf with your buddy. Yeah, that'd

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Speaker 1: be sort of fun. Get the little Team USA match

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Speaker 1: up him and Curry again. You could just go to Miami,

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Speaker 1: let Yanna and Bam carry the defensive burden and you

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Speaker 1: sort of slot in there. You could obviously just go

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Speaker 1: back to Cleveland. It'd be like the lowest stakes of

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Speaker 1: all time. Really, I mean, it would be like just

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Speaker 1: the Swan song.

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Speaker 3: But said he goes Philly yeah, I mean he will. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: he wanted to sign with the Knicks, but the next

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Speaker 3: won the championship, so he's like, I'll do the next

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Speaker 3: best thing. I'll still live in New York and I'll

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Speaker 3: help break your curse for a team.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna try and do here, uh, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be fun. Obviously. It makes an

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Speaker 1: already exciting offseason even more exciting with all the movement

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Speaker 1: here in Philadelphia now suddenly as like, I guess a contender, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I keep forgetting Jill and Brown is on the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Soty six Ers.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm sure he loves that. Yeah, it's very, very weird.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see if Lebron can do what no player's

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Speaker 1: ever done before and try and lead a fourth team,

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Speaker 1: uh to a fourth championship obviously four different franchises, I guess,

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Speaker 1: yeah like that. Yeah, that's got to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the thinking too, right, I guess as he chased

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Speaker 3: Does that mean anything to you winning now? No, but

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Speaker 3: it's on different teams. Not to me, really, that means like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you've jumped to a lot of teams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean much to me either, when

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Speaker 4: we're all having this discussion in our chats, has there

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Speaker 4: been any guy who's done it with four teams? It's

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Speaker 4: not one of those things that just weighs on your

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Speaker 4: mind when it comes to sports really or basketball specifically.

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Speaker 2: Who's done it? To me?

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Speaker 4: As you slipped in there leads a fourth team? I

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Speaker 4: think that's important here. He's going to a team where

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Speaker 4: he's going to be looked at as a bit of

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Speaker 4: a leader instead of going with Steph Curry. Like Draymond

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Speaker 4: Green just sat on his podcast, I understand why it

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Speaker 4: didn't come to Golden State. Didn't want to be a

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Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. I agree with Draymond Green and his podcast

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Speaker 4: take and that part of it. And Philly just hasn't won.

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Speaker 4: So is he going to be the best player playing

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Speaker 4: with Jalen Brown and Tyr's Max and Joelmby debatable, but

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Speaker 4: it's at least it's a debate. That's a big part

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion finally before we move

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Speaker 1: on from Lebron because there's been a lot of that talk.

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Speaker 1: In his post to X He's said he was like

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Speaker 1: grappling with basketball mortality, here at the end of his

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Speaker 1: last season, the twenty five to twenty six campaign, and

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Speaker 1: he said, I thought I was done when the season ended.

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Speaker 1: Do you buy that at all?

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Speaker 2: No? No, okay, I never.

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Speaker 3: Thought Lebron was retiring last season, literally never.

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Speaker 1: So he's just straight up lying.

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Speaker 3: He's I think it's called controlling the narrative when Lebron

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Speaker 3: does it.

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Speaker 4: You, Yeah, I don't buy that he thought he was done.

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Speaker 4: I mean when he stepped off the court, did he think,

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Speaker 4: oh man, this could be it, like for a minute,

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Speaker 4: maybe right, all right, right, depends on how you look

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Speaker 4: at it. But as far as the narrative goes, we

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Speaker 4: just alluded to it was just four tweets, Like he

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Speaker 4: didn't go all out a guy who we think will

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Speaker 4: enjoy his last year getting every single ovation in every

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Speaker 4: single arena, just four tweets. Well, you know, collabing with

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Speaker 4: tops or whatever.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a brand deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he sold four hundred thousand cards instantly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's also making a documentary. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 3: not the only time we're gonna hear about Lebron joining

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Speaker 3: the Sixers. I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, and yeah, maybe that's why I took twenty

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Speaker 4: seven days or whatever. It took a lot of docs

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Speaker 4: being shot. Yeah, yeah, footage.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Draymond Green. That was the big

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Speaker 1: news from yesterday. Draymond Green has agreed to return to

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Speaker 1: the Warriors on a one year, twenty seven point seven

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal. So Green turned down is basically identical

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Speaker 1: player option earlier this summer to help try and land Lebron. However,

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Speaker 1: after Lebron eventually decided to head to Philly, Draymond and

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Speaker 1: the Warriors moved forward on the new deal here. But

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people expected maybe he would

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Speaker 1: sign a multi year deal. So the eye opening part

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Speaker 1: is that it is just a one year deal here

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Speaker 4: Your reactions to me, this just means it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a lot of Golden State this year, saying, Okay,

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Speaker 4: where do we get our star? Like you said, it's

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Speaker 4: a one year option here, So they're gonna be waiting

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Speaker 4: until probably next year. They're gonna try throughout this season

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Speaker 4: to go get somebody. But it's a lot of rinse

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Speaker 4: repeat with this team. That's just what it is. They're

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Speaker 4: gonna have options to be able to trade to go

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Speaker 4: get a start to help him and Steph. Essentially, they

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Speaker 4: do have like a Kristaps Porsing is twenty million dollars contract,

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Speaker 4: Here you go Pelicans, Trey Murphy is he available?

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Speaker 2: Here you go.

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Speaker 4: Kristaps Porzing is plus draft picks, so they have options.

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Speaker 4: But really this is what it is. As you said,

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Speaker 4: one year, So it's him and Steph signed for one year.

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Speaker 4: They can hope that Jimmy Butler comes back. They can

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Speaker 4: hope that Draymond Green helps out Yaxel Londenborg, who's gonna

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Speaker 4: be twenty four and look really good in summer league.

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Speaker 4: So there's that excitement. If Lebron comes and joins him,

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Speaker 4: this team could be good. But really it's just one

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Speaker 4: more year to me and hopefully for them they get

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Speaker 4: it during the season rather than next offseason.

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Speaker 2: But that's what it is to be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're running back a thirty seven win team

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Speaker 3: and they added a twenty four year old rookie. That's

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Speaker 3: not exciting if you're a Warriors fan, but it does

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Speaker 3: mean you're at least getting the band back together one

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Speaker 3: more time. I guess Steve Kerr has two years on

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Speaker 3: his deal. Steph Curry becomes extension eligible on August twenty ninth.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what he decides to do. But they do

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Speaker 3: have Draymond Stephan Jimmy. He is still there for at

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Speaker 3: Like I don't care if they pull off a trade

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Speaker 3: for Trey Murphy, that would be awesome. He would be

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Speaker 3: a great help to them. That doesn't put them in

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Speaker 3: the conference in the conversation in the Western Conference for me,

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Speaker 3: the Warriors have missed the playoffs in four of the

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Speaker 3: last seven seasons. They've missed it in two of the

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Speaker 3: last four seasons because they keep having to go into

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Speaker 3: the play in. Their last real move to try and

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Speaker 3: be a championship contender was Jimmy Butler. Yeah, the team

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Speaker 3: looked good, yep, they were winning, and then Steph got

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Speaker 3: hurt in the playoffs. That season was over. They come

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Speaker 3: back next year. They're twenty five and nineteen. On January nineteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, Jimmy Butler tears a ACL and that's

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Speaker 3: the end of the era for the Warriors, especially if

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Speaker 3: they're not going to be chipping in these future picks

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Speaker 3: that they obviously could trade if they want to. But

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Speaker 3: they're just eyeing a time when Steph Curry is no

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Speaker 3: longer going to be a Warrior. They've been doing that

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Speaker 3: for basically five seasons, looking ahead to when Steph is

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Speaker 3: going to be retired. That means he might play for

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Speaker 3: another team. I don't think it's likely, yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: definitely is interesting that he's going to be extension eligible.

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Speaker 3: If he doesn't sign it on August twenty ninth, people

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Speaker 3: will start going crazy on the fake trades with this guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean they've already started. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 1: entire conversation after Lebron has gone to Philly is now

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Speaker 1: all eyes on Golden State and what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Curry and this idea of like, yeah, they failed him?

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Speaker 1: Have they failed him? Have they just been looking too

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Speaker 1: far ahead? Did they botch? It feels like the Warriors

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Speaker 1: front office did a lot of what I did in Croatia.

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Speaker 4: Literally, Draymond Green's contract is tradable, and it's always been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to the best free agents

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Speaker 1: most impressive name still available. It's jail And Durant, restricted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all. It's all a figure. Does he get

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Speaker 3: They're in the right here. This is why restricted free

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Speaker 4: I mean, agents really have to go into every offseason

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Speaker 2: That's got to be the new mo of an agent.

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Speaker 2: Look at all the guys this year.

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Speaker 4: Bennettt Mathern will get in, Peyton Watson will get into Kaminga.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

435
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Speaker 1: No, it's not good for restrictive agency for the players

436
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 1: and the agents there. James Harden's number two on my lists. Now,

437
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: I think this is just like a matter of when

438
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: he signs with Cleveland. Seventeen year vet expected to sign

439
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: with the Calves after he opted out of his pre

440
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: existing contract to allow the franchise more financial flexibility. Again,

441
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: maybe try and get Lebron back home. The potential new

442
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: deal is expected to last no more than two years.

443
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Speaker 1: That's the latest reporting. Best guess on what this looks like, TK,

444
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, can I throw a two year eighty million?

445
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But think about the player option

446
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: he turned down?

447
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're probably right with regards to what

448
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 3: he's actually turning down. But we know that basically James

449
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: Harden has a wink wink deal with the with the Calves.

450
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 3: It probably ended up costing them Lebron James Way. Reporting

451
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: has gone where it looked like the Lebron didn't want

452
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Speaker 3: to play with James Harden. He wanted to play with

453
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: Darius Garland, who's now on the Clippers. But the Cavs

454
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 3: did the deal with Harden and the like it, we're

455
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Speaker 3: going to extend you when it comes time. So I guess, man,

456
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 3: two years eighty million dollars. That sounds ridiculous to be

457
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: But the problem I know, I know, but it's twenty

458
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: twenty six Man, twenty sixteen. You don't need to be

459
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 3: paying this guy forty mili per season when he's one

460
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Speaker 3: hundred years old.

461
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Speaker 1: Well, they went nineteen and seven when Harden came over

462
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 1: and obviously made a run for them. At least they

463
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Speaker 1: made the conference finals. That was the point they got wax.

464
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Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think on Harden here?

465
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is just waiting to see when the Mario

466
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 4: Hazonia deal gets done, because that ain't even done. It's

467
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 4: just about dollars for him. But I do think it's

468
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Speaker 4: going to be less.

469
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Speaker 2: I think you think I'm too high, Yeah, I think I.

470
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Speaker 4: Think, Like like Draymond Green turned down twenty seven million

471
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 4: dollars in a player option he was supposed to sign

472
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 4: for three six if Lebron got there. Now it hasn't happened.

473
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 4: It didn't happen. So he signed for one in twenty seven,

474
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Speaker 4: and so I think the agreement, the handshake is cheaper

475
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Speaker 4: than his player option over two years.

476
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be cheaper just because there's another year.

477
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, And he's old third.

478
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Speaker 1: On the list, you know, the aforementioned Peyton Watson restricted

479
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: free agent with the Nuggets. Now, for those that are

480
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: not keeping up with him, obviously an athletics swing man,

481
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: had a really good year. Can hit threes or did

482
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: hit threes at a consistent rate, high level havoc defensively,

483
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: really talented on that end, especially when it comes to

484
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: blocking shots for his size. So Stein reported that the Nuggets'

485
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: initial contract offer was somewhere in the range of seventy

486
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Speaker 1: million over four years, so seventeen and a half million

487
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Speaker 1: per year. But that is a figure that is well

488
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Speaker 1: below the other guy on his team. And I think

489
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: this is the issue here in Christian Brown, who got

490
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Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty five million dollars five year

491
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: extension last October. That's just about to kick in, like

492
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Speaker 1: that's starting here, So twenty five mil per Watson's gotta

493
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: be looking at him going, I'm better than him. I'm

494
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Speaker 1: trajectory wise alone and even what I've already produced, So

495
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Speaker 1: this one feels like a huge gap too. And again

496
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Speaker 1: there's been some rumors of this idea if he takes

497
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Speaker 1: just a qualifying offer to then hit on stricter free agency,

498
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Speaker 1: which actually, oddly maybe the Nuggets would be okay with

499
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Speaker 1: because they're working their books here and their aprons and

500
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: all that. But you don't think that still is a

501
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: thing because it's such a massive gamble for the player.

502
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you just tearing Achilles and then you're cooked.

503
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a unique scenario because they've entered the

504
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 4: second apron, the only team that's there, so they're looking

505
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 4: to move on from one of their other supporting guys,

506
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Speaker 4: whether it's Christian Brown or Cam Johnson. I think Peyton

507
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: Watson is actually more important than Aaron Gordon on this team.

508
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Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy because Aaron Gordon is their guy,

509
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: but they need Peyton Watson's athleticism, they need his youth.

510
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon's body is failing him, and Peyton Watson can

511
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: be super, super good. It wasn't just shooting the three.

512
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: I thought he was really good, and that sixteen game

513
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: stretch where Jokic was out putting the ball on the

514
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: floor and scoring, and defensively he was the best defensive

515
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: player on the other side, So he's super important. Is

516
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 4: it a gamble, Yeah, several years paying him. Yeah, because

517
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 4: he was also injured this season. He also hasn't done

518
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: it a lot in his career, so it is scary.

519
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: The numbers being thrown out there are man Tony Jones

520
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: at the athletic through five for seventy, so it's just

521
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 4: fourteen per steining throughout the It's more like sixteen to eighteen,

522
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: and that's what he's going to end up taking.

523
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Speaker 2: But they need him so bad. It's such a.

524
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Speaker 4: Drop off after Jokic and Jamal Murray. Whether it's Christian

525
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: Brown not looking like himself and worthy of that contract,

526
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Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon's body failing him, or Cam Johnson who didn't

527
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: look like the player that they got. Now you can

528
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: squint and say Kim Johnson was decent at times, Christian

529
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 4: Brown was decent at times. But I think they really

530
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: need Peyton Wan. But the books are an important part here.

531
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Speaker 4: It's a unique scenario in Denver.

532
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian Brown's just lucky he came up for his

533
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: contract before Peyton Watson did. At that point, when Christian

534
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Speaker 3: Brown got paid his five year, one hundred and twenty

535
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: five million, which, like your sayans Keets hasn't even kicked

536
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: in yet, finally kicking in the season, Brown had accomplished

537
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: more than Peyton Watson. Had a bad season last year

538
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: after coming back from injury, Christian Brown did. Meanwhile, Peyton

539
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: Watson had an awesome sixteen games, and he's trying to

540
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: get paid basically off those sixteen games. I think the

541
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Speaker 3: Nuggets need to keep him. If they're able to keep

542
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Speaker 3: him on a five year, seventy million dollar deal, absolute

543
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: steal for Denver. I don't actually think he can replace

544
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Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon. I don't think Watson guards bigger guys the

545
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: way that Gordon can. I don't think he rebounds in

546
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: the same way. But it's more so he's going to

547
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: be comparing himself to Christian Brown, and he's saying, Christian

548
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Speaker 3: Brown's getting twenty five million a year. There's no way

549
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Speaker 3: I'm taking anything less than that. It might mean he

550
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: has to take the qualifying offer. I think it's more

551
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Speaker 3: reasonable for him to do it, since he'll be taking

552
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: less of a pay cut than Jalen Duran would be

553
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: since Duran thinks he's, you know, a forty million dollar player.

554
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: Watson less established doesn't have the all NBA credentials, but

555
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: at least for him, there are some teams out there

556
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: that could get to his number with trade exceptions. The

557
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Bucks are looking at him, the Clippers, the Hawks, they

558
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: all want to do a sign and trade. That wouldn't

559
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: be good for Denver, but at least it would be

560
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: a way for them to get something back because it

561
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: feels like they're pretty far apart on this.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Fisher says the Nuggets are looking for at least

563
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Speaker 1: two first round picks and a sign and trade deal

564
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: involving Watson if they were to do that. Shaum's reported

565
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Speaker 1: that the Nuggets lowered their asking price in a potential

566
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Speaker 1: sign and trade. He said, quote, the Nuggets initially had

567
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Speaker 1: set a price this offseason of similar to the Walker

568
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: Kessler deal to first two swaps. Now apparently the price

569
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: is a really good high level player as well as

570
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Speaker 1: a first round pick. So as much as you say

571
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Speaker 1: you love the idea of fear the Nuggets to keep Watson, task, yeah,

572
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: maybe this is something they're exploring just because of the

573
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Speaker 1: logjam of sort of these guys that sort of all

574
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: play somewhat of a similar position and just all of

575
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: them being paid here in addition to obviously, Yo kich As,

576
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: you're a main guy, You've got Murray Max guy. I mean,

577
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: they're they're squeezed here and there. Somebody does have to

578
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: be moved. I'm with you. I'd have Watson above a

579
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: lot of these other guys, the Cam Johnson's, the Christian

580
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Brown's for sure, the Aaron Gordon wants abatable. But yeah,

581
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: this is this is a tough spot here, and maybe

582
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: this is a sign in trade.

583
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: A good sign for Denver Nuggets fans that they want

584
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: to keep Payton Watson. The Nuggets haven't done a lot

585
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: when it comes to the bench, and they let Tim

586
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: Hardaway go and they let you know, as fall the

587
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: tunas go, you know, they replace them with smaller parts.

588
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: But maybe they are thinking, yeah.

589
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: We're going into the attacks in a deep way that

590
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: not a lot of people expect. That people think this

591
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: team never spends money, and they're spending money at.

592
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: Well at this point they can obviously change.

593
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: But that's that's that's a good sign, I suppose. But yeah,

594
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: they they got to move some part. It's just such

595
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: an oddly manufact your team at this point with how

596
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: everybody has sort of fallen off. Beyond Jokic and Jamal Murray.

597
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Number four on the list, another restricted free agent Benedict

598
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: Mathren with the Clippers. He's a scorer, but his three

599
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: point shot abandoned him in the second half of last season.

600
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I had a triple check. He's like, is this right?

601
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: He shot twenty percent from distance after the All Star breaks,

602
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: so it was a bad stretch there. But he is

603
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: a scorer. Ben the Baker. At times he's a weird

604
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: player because you know, we've seen him in finals games

605
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: where he popped off and you're like, oh, this guy

606
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: sort of looks like a potential maybe star in this league.

607
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: And then at other times he looks unplayable. So he's

608
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: a weird player. Fisher says, there are fresh rumbles. It's

609
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: my new favorite.

610
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Saying fresh rumbles.

611
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Fisher.

612
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
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Speaker 1: Regarding Mathern's situation, sources say the Pelicans have showed the

614
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: strongest trade interest in Mathrin, and there was also like

615
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: a second unnamed suitor from the Steinlein and we have

616
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: learned that it's Chicago Bulls. So a couple teams maybe

617
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: kicking the tires here on something here With Bennedict Mathri,

618
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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Trey, your reaction to him here.

619
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Speaker 3: Uh, He's just a guy. Benedict Mathren to me, is

620
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: slightly smaller Jonathan Minga. He can score and that's about it.

621
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Speaker 3: If he's rolling, it looks great. He had a couple

622
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: of awesome finals games, which is basically all that anybody

623
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: remembers about Benedict Mathrine. You mentioned he shot twenty percent

624
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: for half of a season. Nobody thinks about that. They

625
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: think about him scoring twenty four points in the final game.

626
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: I think that somebody will get Benedict Mathren on a

627
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: pretty cheap deal pretty soon and he'll be fine and

628
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: we'll be talking about him again in free agency.

629
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go deeper than just the finals games,

630
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: he had some good times with the Pacers where he's

631
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: shooting the three really well, and so when he went

632
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: to the Clippers, like you're referring to those last couple

633
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: months of the season, yeah they're bad, but yeah, those

634
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: times with the Pacers also just not consistent enough.

635
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: You look through the whole.

636
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: Catalog of to Dick Mathern he's shooting below average in

637
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: terms of true shooting PERCENTA is across the board of

638
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: an NBA player. There's below NBA average last season, and

639
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: so it ain't that great. But he gets buckets, he

640
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: gets to the rim, hes gets he puts pressure on

641
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: a defense, which obviously is a skill that he has.

642
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: And he's still young and all that. But yeah, he's

643
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: number four here on the list. Let's pair him with

644
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: Kaminga at number five with the Hawks right now. Now,

645
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: the Calves are reportedly still interested. Maybe in a sign

646
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: and trade to at Kaminga could be difficult because they

647
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: are hard capped at the first apron, so it's a

648
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Speaker 1: bit of a challenge there when it comes to a

649
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Speaker 1: trade construction with Atlanta that they would find suitable. Fisher

650
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: also says the Lakers would still like to sign Kaminga

651
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: make them their starting small forward. There's a spot right

652
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: here for you, Jonathan Kaminga, fifth on the list.

653
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Speaker 4: I think that Lakers fit is questionable. You're going to

654
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Speaker 4: start beside Luca and Austin Reeves.

655
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: It's scary.

656
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: You're not a great defensive player. That's clear. You can

657
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: get buckets, but beside Luca and Austin Reeves, who isn't

658
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: an incredible defensive player. You want somebody who's a really

659
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: good defensive player. So that idea of a sign and trade,

660
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: which has got to be multiple years, has got to

661
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: be three years. You're devoting a lot to Jonathan Kaminga,

662
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: who's never really been trusted at this point to have

663
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: a long term deal, So that is questionable big time.

664
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: Now you could say JJ Reddick will get him to

665
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: buy in and coming off the bench and he'll be

666
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: great and he maybe he can play fourth quarters. I

667
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: get it, but it sounds like a lot of money

668
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: when it comes to what the Hawks and the Lakers

669
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: will end up agreeing to in a sign in trade.

670
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Speaker 3: I have no idea what Kaminga's gonna make here, because

671
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: he played pretty decently I thought in the first round

672
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: for the Hawks. He looked good after the trade, like

673
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: he was fitting in and everybody eats situation. He was

674
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: running the court, he was looking like an athlete, and

675
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: they said they ain't no way we're paying you twenty

676
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: four point three million dollars. So we know Kuminga wants

677
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: to get paid seriously, we know he wants a big role.

678
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: I guess the Lakers have a slightly bigger role than

679
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Speaker 3: the Cavs.

680
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, do they. Yeah, I don't know. I

681
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: don't know either.

682
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: There's a lot of hot usage players at the top

683
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: of both of those teams rosters, so I don't know.

684
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're talking about Jonathan Kaminga's free agency again.

685
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: This is a guy who is like I said with

686
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: Benedict Mathrin, this is just a guy. There are a

687
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: lot of guys who can score seventeen points a game

688
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: on middling efficiency if you give him enough possessions, and

689
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: those are two of them.

690
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Hawks continuously get a guy who's at

691
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: the end of his contract, you're Kminga's, you're Kristaps Porzingis,

692
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: and then let him go. So they are a great

693
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: roster in terms of tradable players that you can put

694
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: together and say, all right, superstar time eventually. And Kuminga

695
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: could have been one of those guys if they brought

696
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: him back for cheap, but they're not going to, so

697
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: they have ton of assets otherwise, so they're just saying

698
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: goodbye essentially.

699
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: To a guy that played well. As you said, Trey,

700
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: there are good times. Yeah, I mean I like that comparison.

701
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 5: Now I think about it, Like you said, Matherine and Comingo,

702
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: they're like you catch them on the right night again,

703
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 5: you go, damn, they're that's a potential superstar.

704
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Honestly, you see it. Obviously, consistency is a huge issue.

705
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: They are more just scores. That's the other thing. They're

706
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: not helping in other ways. Will either of these guys

707
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: like figure it out, like if I want to have

708
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: a really long career here and make hundreds and hundreds

709
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, like commit myself to the defensive

710
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: end as well and become maybe more of a team player,

711
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: who will do that first? We'll both will neither. Yeah,

712
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I see a little bit of comparisons between them.

713
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Speaker 4: It's a good comparison in terms of how much they've

714
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: come off the bench and not been starters. But it

715
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: seems like they're veering towards one guy will be okay

716
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: being a starter and one guy won't. I'm guessing that

717
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: Matherine will be okay being a bench guy, but I

718
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: could be wrong.

719
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that could be very well.

720
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Speaker 3: We hear a lot more about Cominga's role than we

721
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: hear about Matherin talking about his role yep.

722
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, six, seven and eight, I'm gonna lump together. It's

723
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Speaker 1: Demarta Rosen, It's Bradley Beal, and it's Russell Westbrook.

724
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: You know.

725
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: Three yep, I was gonna say three future Hall of

726
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Famers and Bill very questionable. DeRozan I think he's in

727
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Westbrook is a lock. And then Beal is going to

728
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: be one of those like maybe probably on the outside,

729
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: but anyway, these guys are probably going to be on

730
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: a new play.

731
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

732
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: Now, DeRozan has been linked to the Heat, the Warriors,

733
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: a potential return of the Raptors. There was another one

734
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: that just dropped, I forget the team that he's been

735
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: linked to the Wizards.

736
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

737
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shan said that that's right. The Wizards are looking

738
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: for another score.

739
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: The Wizards just played two seasons on the Kings.

740
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: It's the difference.

741
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: Well, he wants to, you know, maybe end his career

742
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: somewhere where it's not a loser of a loser.

743
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: I think the Wizards would be an upgrade from the

744
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: Kings this season unfortunately.

745
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: And then Bill Westbrook, like I said, yeah, of those three,

746
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I guess who interested in the most Intrigued the most by.

747
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Beale, I guess Honestly, Bradley, he's three years younger. That's

748
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: the only thing I can say positively about any of

749
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: these three guys. Apparently Westbrook is looking at Europe maybe.

750
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

751
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's almost thirty eight years old. He

752
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: also played for the King's last Yeah, these are just

753
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: guys we know. Bet. Bradley Beal played six games last season.

754
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: He had back surgery. I think right like, he might

755
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 3: be three years younger, but that's an old man injury

756
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: to have. But he was one of those guys. There's

757
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: seventeen points out there, go get him, and he did

758
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: it for the Suns. I still think Bradley Beal could

759
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: get fourteen points coming off the bench for the Miami Heat.

760
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, even if he's three years younger, he ain't gonna

761
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: play as much as Damar.

762
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 1: No, that's true.

763
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: Damar plays and he's been in the league great seventeen years.

764
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: He's playing whenever you want him to play.

765
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 4: And so I think the fit there with the Miami

766
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: Heat works the best because he's going to play a

767
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: lot and they need a score desperately because of what

768
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: they've constructed, how much they have to give up for Giannis.

769
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: So I think Damar there makes sense. Is he just

770
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: waiting around now because of the Kawhi Leonards scenario?

771
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

772
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: Maybe that's me reaching to say he wants to go

773
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: back to Toronto, but it seems that's a hot thing,

774
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: guys going back to their old teams.

775
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: But I think Miami's the one.

776
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Other names because now we're getting into the mid of

777
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: the dregs here. Bruce Brown, Oh yeah, that's your guy.

778
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: You love it. Gabe Vincent, who's more of your guy?

779
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Gave Vincent or Bruce Brown tests because those are two

780
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: free agents names still available.

781
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: Jeremy, gimme the Bruce Bruce.

782
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Kelly, olennok Camp, Thomas, Brandon Williams actually was pretty solid

783
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: as a guard for the Mavericks. He's out there. I

784
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: think Nick Richards, Kevin Love there's another old guy. But

785
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: toom old Seth Curry, I didn't say, Steph said Seth.

786
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: That's where we're at here, Like you're interested in Bruce.

787
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Brown, Yeah, off a bench, he can help.

788
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: He helped steal a ball from Rudy Gobert in Game

789
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: one of the Nuggets Wolves series this year. That guy

790
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 4: he played Game one of that series. Bruce Brown put

791
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 4: up twenty Was it twenty or hold on? Or am

792
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: I getting it conflated? He had like five steals that game.

793
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: That was the one big steal out there. Getting in

794
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: with Ruby Rudy Gobert feels like he's got some legs left.

795
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: He's not an old man.

796
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, wait, same birthday?

797
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: Are you the fifteenth?

798
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

799
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: The same birthday birthday.

800
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that. Bruce, Bruce, Truce.

801
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 4: Let's hang out, man. Yeah, I'm taking Bruce over. Gave Vincent?

802
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: What are his stats?

803
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: I'm impressed five steel game. I was gonna say, tell

804
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: me something that Bruce Brown did last season because I

805
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: can't think of it, But you're right, he did have

806
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: a five steal game and apparently he helped steal a

807
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: ball from Ry Gobert in Game one fourth quarter. If

808
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: they scored thirty eight points total in the series, so

809
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: he didn't have a twenty point game.

810
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: I got maybe over inflating what he performed like in

811
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 4: Game one, but I'm impressed.

812
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm impressed that you would know the five steals off

813
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: the top of here.

814
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: It was awesome.

815
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: That was an awesome I thought he was the he

816
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 4: was the key coming off the bench, being their energy.

817
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: But they just let him go. I was a little

818
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: surprised by that. Why not bring him back for a minimum?

819
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: I guess they're just waiting to see what they do.

820
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: They still could, I guess they could yet.

821
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did play in every game last year for

822
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: the Nuggets too, off the bench, But an eighty two

823
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: game player in today's NBA is like, okay, good for you,

824
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: Bruce giddy up.

825
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you think these guys will retire? Jeff Green,

826
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: Kevin Loved, Nick Batoom, Garrett Temple, Thanasis, Onto Kakumpo, all

827
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: free agents, tem Temple, Yes, I think Temple said yes.

828
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I think I thought so too.

829
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I think he announced I don't.

830
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: I think Love will be on a roster?

831
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: You think so?

832
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

833
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: I agree to do.

834
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: The other ones you said, Jeff Green, Wow, I'd love

835
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: to see one more Jeff Green dunk.

836
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: He's got one like three teams he hasn't played for

837
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: at this point in his career. He's never been a

838
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: ball Come on down.

839
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: Why not Nick?

840
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 3: Buttoom he played like seventy five games last year.

841
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: I could see ridiculous. I think he'll be on a roster.

842
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: I think he's been trying to retire first seasons. He's like,

843
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm retiring after the paras Olympics.

844
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: We won't let him, won't let him know he's still

845
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: solid enough.

846
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 3: No deal from the Heat. Yeah, thirty four years.

847
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Old, I'll towards the end of yeahs.

848
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: Can his podcast producers outbid the Miami Heat keep him

849
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: in Milwaukee on that couch?

850
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: Maybe?

851
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, that's where we are at free agency. A lot

852
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: of those the most interesting names that restricted free agents,

853
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: for sure, especially if you believe Harden is just going

854
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: to be signing with Cleveland there and whatever the number is.

855
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: But the for sure the Durham, the Watson and the

856
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: math room is is interesting, and they don't usually they

857
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: don't use there's no team with cap spaces, so it's

858
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: not like there's matching offers out there and you're like, oh,

859
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: why isn't the Nets throwing it off? That just nobody

860
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: has any So more likely than not, I guess they'll

861
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: all be with their teams outside of a sign and

862
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: trade or like a friction so much between the player

863
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: and the agent and then the team. Let's let's say

864
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: endurances case or something like where there's anger built up

865
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: now and resentment. I don't know. It's it is a business.

866
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate you're still hopefully getting paid thirty plus million dollars,

867
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, and this is like life changing money. That's

868
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: the thing. When you talk about the qualifying offer, you're like, okay,

869
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: six million dollars, Like nobody's gonna roll their eyes at that,

870
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: But like we are talking about one hundred and fifty

871
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: plus million whatever, seventy million. Watson's ky like, this is

872
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: this is your first massive deal. And again there's no

873
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: gamble of an injury or stuff like that, or even

874
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, maintaining the level that got you into these

875
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: conversations for that type of money, because then you get

876
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: into the worry of like what if the franchise, you know,

877
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: SOA buries us, Sodas buries the player so to speak

878
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, and pecking orders and stuff like that.

879
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: So there was a rumor out of there for Bendic

880
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: Mathern going to the New Orleans Pelicans, as mark Stein

881
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: put it, coming off the bench there.

882
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: That kind of makes sense.

883
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: It gets a one year trial to try and get

884
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: paid against next season because the Pelicans like to give

885
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: guys a try that didn't work out with other teams.

886
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: You know, you're Jordan Poole's your Sadik Bazier de Jonte

887
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: Marie even to some degree.

888
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: So there, that seems like a good fit.

889
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to drafting the worst NBA nicknames.

890
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: This is something that we thought up earlier this week.

891
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: We thought we could have some fun here as some

892
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: summer activities on the show. We're going to do five

893
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: rounds of this, so a lot of bad nicknames will

894
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: be drafted. I had forgotten right before we went live

895
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: to come up with a trivia question, as I like

896
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: to do, to see of you two guys, who gets

897
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: to pick first in our draft? So here it is,

898
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: so here it is. Okay, it's got nothing to do

899
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: with the NBA. What's the exact run time of Christopher

900
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Nolan's The Odyssey? I want total minutes, total minutes, okay,

901
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: So don't give me hours minutes, just give me total minutes.

902
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

903
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll let you go first, and then he.

904
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Can go over under one hundred and sixty one.

905
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Okay, one sixty one. You said one hundred and sixty

906
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: one minutes from time, Well over one hundred and seventy

907
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: two minutes, two hours, fifty two minutes. Yeah, yeah, did

908
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: you do the I think correctly?

909
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I guess. I guess to forty one

910
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: two hours, forty one minutes. But that's my mistake.

911
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: Again.

912
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 4: I'll have to repeat myself from other shows. It flew by.

913
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's why I'm saying it was only two

914
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: forty That's impressive. Good.

915
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I just got my tickets for Friday. I catch up

916
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: with you guys. JD's already seen it eight times, so

917
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I gotta at least watch it once. I figure.

918
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: Okay, so Trey figure out the how Lebron is Odysseus?

919
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, of course, well I he yesked, So Trey,

920
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: you have the first pick here in the Worst NBA

921
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Nicknames Draft. Now, all of these nicknames have to be

922
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: on Basketball Reference. Yes, okay, you can't make up one

923
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: like a weird pun tast has said maybe once upon

924
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: time that's not on Basketball Reference. Gotta be on Basketball Reference. Uh,

925
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: where are you starting?

926
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: Man?

927
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really thrilled to get the number one pick

928
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: because when I looked through all two thousand, eight hundred

929
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: and forty four lines on the spreadsheet that was sent

930
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: to us of these nicknames. Yeah, one stuck out to me.

931
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: I had to have it. Like I said, two eight

932
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four entries. Some of these guys have

933
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: more than one name, O god, yeah, easily five thousand

934
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: nicknames in the Basketball Reference database.

935
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: I would have to think even low yeah. Yeah.

936
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: And the one that caught my eye that I knew

937
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: I was going to pick with my first pick, assuming

938
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: it lasted this long is a guy who played from

939
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy six in the NBA.

940
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: His name was George Carter.

941
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm lying to you.

942
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: He didn't even play.

943
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: He played one season in the NBA, then everything else

944
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: in the ABA. His name is George Carter and his

945
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 3: nickname is dirty dingis what steel.

946
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: I was wondering how people were going to approach this, like,

947
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: were you gonna with names and players that we actually knew,

948
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: or just straight up guys we've never heard of but

949
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: have a crazy nickname like dirty Dingas George.

950
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: And Trey answered the question.

951
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: He's going with the obscure player with the crazy nickname. Okay.

952
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: I got some names on the list, guys that we know,

953
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: and of course, as we all remember, George Carter was

954
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: an All Star for the Virginia Squires in the seventy

955
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: one season in the ABA. So a known player. But

956
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: George dirty Dingus Carter.

957
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: Did you do any research on why nickname? No, didn't

958
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: want that in your no. No, okay, George Carter. There's

959
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy Western comedy named dirty Dingus McGee.

960
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy did you say? Okay? So like same time frame.

961
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's any crossovers. Yeah, and there stars

962
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra and George. Oh wait, maybe that's is that

963
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: the tie? What George can Okay, it's the sheriff. I

964
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: guess I don't know how we got it.

965
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: I I'll did some research, that's all right, So give

966
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: me the dirty Ding.

967
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: That was the time for questionable nicknames. I mean that

968
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: those couple decades, decades.

969
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: I didn't even mean to say that, but.

970
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: Lots of lots of questionable ones. I kind of stayed

971
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: away from that time. That era.

972
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: Of era.

973
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Every second guy you met on this street was named

974
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: dirty dingas.

975
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: Although with my first pick, I'll stay in that that region,

976
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: that physical region. Mason Plumley, his nickname is Plums, not

977
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: fin It's it's just it's it's the genitals, let's be honest,

978
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: and somebody can literally start talking trash to you. On

979
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 4: the other side, you can be picked on. You know,

980
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: somebody will literally grab their plums and say, I just

981
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: kicked in the plums. Uh, you know, suck on these plums,

982
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. So yeah, just because I'm staying

983
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: in the same region, I didn't find this hard at all.

984
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: I think there's like a thousand names.

985
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: But now now the.

986
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Good thing for Mason Plumbley Plum's bad but plumb Dog Millionaire,

987
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: I think good because you've said it for years.

988
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: But solid I'm a fan of that one.

989
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 4: Well, you just brought up the movie that came out

990
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: for for the Dingus. Yeah, that happened to Mason Plumber

991
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: Well time.

992
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: Okay to off the autmore interesting. I didn't have them

993
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: on my short list.

994
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if anywhere, like, oh no, I think there's one.

995
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: That I'm like, one of you is going to take.

996
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: I am going with, well, our best player of the bunch,

997
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: no offense to George Carter or Mason Plumbley. I'm going

998
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: for my worst NBA n name, my number one pick.

999
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: Marii Stodameer's stat that's a horrible nickname. Now it's an

1000
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: acronym for standing tall and talented.

1001
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: Which I think makes it worse. It was just stat.

1002
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, does he just fill a box score?

1003
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. That's cool, big number.

1004
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad.

1005
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: No, standing tall and talented. It's a self given nickname.

1006
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think he's got it tattooed on

1007
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: his arm. It's how he used to be addressed by

1008
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: everyone around. Yeah, Stat, what's up? Stat? And again, that's

1009
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: not bad. But when you know what it stands for,

1010
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: I guess the standing tall. Like he's only six' ten

1011
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: now tall among common. Folk is that tall in THE nba? World,

1012
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: YEAH i guess it's. Close but still it's more about

1013
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: proud and. CONFIDENCE i think that's the standing.

1014
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: Tall never caught on and never Got and you know.

1015
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: WHAT i hate about? It Like.

1016
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: Amari first, Off amari is an awesome, name, right even

1017
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: when he changed the spelling of it a couple of

1018
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: times where we were putting the apostophe and if it

1019
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: was in there and all, That but like he was

1020
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: a super natural role, Athlete like this guy was in

1021
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 1: a league full of. Athletes he's like on another. Level,

1022
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: Right so it just like didn't really ever work for,

1023
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Him SO i don't like. It Stats i'm with, You,

1024
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: okay he.

1025
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: DOESN'T i mean they also list The Little tyrant And

1026
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: Little lord for, him SO i mean that's WHAT i.

1027
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: Know those are all.

1028
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: Bad he goes from standing tall to being. Little you,

1029
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: know he didn't have.

1030
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: One he didn't have a good, one, no which is

1031
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: weird to me because it's like we compare him like

1032
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: To sean camp right at the. TIME i, mean he's

1033
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: got one of the coolest nicknames of all, time right,

1034
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Man like what we couldn't come up with anything From marit.

1035
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 4: But but we've likened his career To Blake. Griffin's blake

1036
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: doesn't have one. Either What's Blake griffin's?

1037
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: Nickname he, literally he literally doesn't.

1038
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: Have one on basketball.

1039
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 3: Reference he doesn't have even a bad. One that's.

1040
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: Surprising that is because He's Blake. Griffin you think there'd

1041
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: be something out. There, OKAY i got, Weird, great all.

1042
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: Right try back to. You all, right this is a

1043
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: guy you maybe have heard, Of Bobby. Simmons you guys

1044
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 3: Remember Bobby.

1045
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Simmons oh, yeah, Yeah, Bill i'm trying to rack my

1046
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: brain what it? Is good.

1047
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: Luck two thousand and one to twenty, Twelve Bobby simmons.

1048
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Played he was the twenty two thousand and four five

1049
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: most improved, player A chicago. Legend his nickname Is Chinese.

1050
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: Food wanted a, Lot yeah food once.

1051
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: You would think, That but it turns out that When

1052
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: Bobby simmons was playing for The, clippers and prior to

1053
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: the two thousand and three four, Season clippers were going

1054
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: to be playing in an international game against The Seattle,

1055
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 3: SuperSonics they were going to be playing In, tokyo and

1056
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: they said what do you what do you think about

1057
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: going to play In? Tokio And Bobby simmons, SAYS i

1058
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: don't Like chinese. Food now his nickname Is Chinese, food.

1059
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: So this has to be a nickname that other teammates

1060
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: aside to. Him, right, wow you're on my, Team, Bobby Chinese,

1061
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: Food chinese very. Good, okay that's a good, One Bobby.

1062
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: SIMMONS i forgot he won an. Award here's a good. Player,

1063
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: yeah it was all, Right it's.

1064
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: OKAY i feel like he was like on the edges

1065
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: Of All star conversations at some. Point, maybe oh, wow,

1066
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: Really Bobby. Simmons maybe, okay that's sixteen six and three maybe?

1067
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Four, yeah, Okay chinese food is Got chinese? Food what

1068
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: do you got?

1069
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: Tests i'm going with another big name, Player Tyre's haliburton's the.

1070
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: MOMENT i hate it as a. Nickla oh you don't like?

1071
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: It here comes the moments down the. Floor you can't

1072
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: address him by that.

1073
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 4: Nickname no you, can't you know if you're sitting down and, saying,

1074
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 4: Okay Tyres haliburn had some. Moments here is the moment

1075
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: that he did against The New York nickson round. One,

1076
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: okay would you say it that?

1077
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: Way got cool, Moments.

1078
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: But when it comes to actually addressing, him actually talking

1079
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: about basketball in a sense that that's what you would call,

1080
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: him not even. Close it's just not. Good so, yeah they.

1081
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 4: MISSED i understand.

1082
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: The and then a cool word but the, answer, yeah but,

1083
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 2: nah you know this as?

1084
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: Well is it better or worse than him A, burton

1085
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: which is also asball, reference he is, him Not hallie

1086
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: him A. Burton that's that might be worse than the,

1087
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: moment but they're both pretty.

1088
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: Bad but that was, yeah an, era an? Era is it?

1089
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: OVER i don't know where everybody started Saying i'm. Him,

1090
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 4: yeah oh, yeah and So.

1091
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: I've got another potential him on my. List, actually Maybe

1092
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: i'll just take him right now BECAUSE i hate all

1093
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: of his, Nicknames Josh, giddy Good, Him Ithy, Salome.

1094
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: Wizard Of.

1095
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Oz, okay The australian connection, there that's not that's probably

1096
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: the least offense of vanilla. Magic and then my real

1097
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: answer here For Josh kitty Slob. Wizard, yeah, now now

1098
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: that's a HULLANDRO i BELIEVE i think he came up with.

1099
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: It Slob, wizard uh sidelines out of bounds. Wizard he's

1100
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: very good at these plays and great, playmaker but ununfortunate,

1101
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: nickname especially with other things that were then happening around

1102
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: the same time With Josh gitty in the. News Slow

1103
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: wizard is. Bad do we have A t shirt with?

1104
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: It?

1105
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah we, Do, YEAH i own.

1106
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: One yeah it's a house.

1107
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: Shirt.

1108
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: YEAH i.

1109
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: Know you can't wear a Slow wizard you dirty.

1110
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: Ding that's the equivalent to a dirty.

1111
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Shirt for.

1112
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: Sure i'll Go Josh. KITTY i don't like any of,

1113
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: those but.

1114
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Really Slow, WIZARD a Slow wizard is my selection that takes.

1115
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: It, yeah all of them are.

1116
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 4: Questionable, Yeah, okay round.

1117
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: Three back to T.

1118
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: K i'm going with the classic nickname, here a classic

1119
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: bad nickname or a good, nickname but more of an insulting.

1120
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: Nickname this one comes to us from the nineteen. Nineties

1121
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: it comes to us from here In. Atlanta i'm going

1122
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: With John concact Aka John. CONTRACT i had.

1123
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: This on my short. List that's.

1124
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: Awesome, yeah it's awesome to be known for signing a

1125
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: legendarily bad deal and they just call you A John

1126
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: contract for the rest of your. Life because he had

1127
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 3: the temerity to sign a two point two million dollar

1128
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: deal in nineteen eighty. Nine like he's making less than

1129
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: the veteran minimum, now but it was a ton of

1130
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: money back then For John, concak who didn't really ever

1131
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: do anything in THE. Nba what do you think his

1132
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: career high in points per game?

1133
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: WAS i can't imagine he scored over? Ten so.

1134
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: No?

1135
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Eight?

1136
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: Seven, yeah, yeah this must have been his rookie. Year

1137
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: it looks like went for eight and six mostly off the.

1138
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Bench strong start.

1139
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: For The hawks. There So John, contract you're on my.

1140
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: Team that's pretty because that's.

1141
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: Such a good.

1142
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: NICKNAME i, thought WAS i creating the contract that he

1143
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 4: actually ended up signing BECAUSE i remembered him being multiple

1144
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 4: years bigger. Number yeah that is let me see six

1145
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: YEARS i, google but six years, Thirteen milt.

1146
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: Amazing that's great for.

1147
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: Him what it's a good, nickname, man.

1148
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 3: He, Says what WAS i supposed to? Do? Say, no, yeah,

1149
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: man you're. Right, great they're offering.

1150
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: It, oh what's the worst is going to? Happen weird?

1151
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: Nickname put on my. Basket that's a good. ONE i

1152
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: got thirteen million. Dollars do you THINK i?

1153
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: Care we could easily have a draft of the best.

1154
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: Nicknames AND i think that you like this. One, yeah

1155
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 4: you're known for something of the rest of your life

1156
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 4: instead of just Being John.

1157
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: True it's a simple first, thing all, Right where you?

1158
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: GOING i like going with big name. Guys and, UH

1159
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 4: i Think Ason kid For Jason kidd because he didn't have.

1160
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: Insulting it's.

1161
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: Insulting, OKAY i understand at the beginning year your, career

1162
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 4: you're not a. Shooter it's a funny nickname dropped To.

1163
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: Chase his name's. Asen but when he developed a, shot

1164
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: you could take that off basketball, reference just remove.

1165
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: It let's grow.

1166
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: Up let's let's say what we got to. Say about this.

1167
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: Guy he had A jay later in his. Career, definitely

1168
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: So ason sex to BE u for you.

1169
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: Know but, anyway As.

1170
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: Ason kid is a good like slander nickname handle of its.

1171
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Day oh, yeah all, Right i'm gonna go with my

1172
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: most obscure player here BECAUSE i have A mari And

1173
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: Josh kitty obviously everybody knows. Them but give me a

1174
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: guy Named Carson. Edwards you, know fairly. Recent you, Know

1175
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: i'm not going back to the seventies. Here if you don't,

1176
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: remember he's a two Time All. American he was selected

1177
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: thirty third overall in the twenty nine draft by The.

1178
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: Celtics played a total of seventy two games in THE

1179
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: nba before WHAT i can, tell having a very successful international.

1180
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: Career he's bounced around, internationally but he's playing and sure

1181
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: making some. Money but one Of Carson edwards nicknames was

1182
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: just the name of an older player he reminded people.

1183
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: Of his nickname Was Eddie.

1184
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: House this is insane to, me surprising NOW i see the. Similarities.

1185
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: Again you probably don't remember much Of. Carson he was

1186
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: a small. Guy he was like five to. Eleven Eddie

1187
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: house wasn't much. Bigger he's probably listed at six to

1188
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: one or, something but he's like basically six foot. Guy

1189
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: but just to have a just to have a nickname

1190
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: of some other guy that people just reminded you. Of you're, like, oh,

1191
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: yeah you played Like Eddie. House we're gonna call You Eddie.

1192
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: House it's so offensive to me for some reason called

1193
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: dirty dingis please and there Was i'm doing a little.

1194
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: RESEARCH i saw this On celtics blog obviously a long

1195
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: time Fantastic celtics blog, somebody Because Carson edwards had like

1196
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: ludicrously muscular, thighs like he had huge thighs and like

1197
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: a rely like his shorts were like a, problem like

1198
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: they were too. Tight people wanted to call him meat

1199
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: buckets because he was a good scorer and those big

1200
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: old hamhock. Thighs so that's, better still, worse we're still

1201
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: bad meat. Buckets but instead he's just Called Eddie. House

1202
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: and that's On basketball the. Front So i'm Going Eddie

1203
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: house For Carson. Edwards it's my most obscure.

1204
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: Pick my kids have taken to call in my legs

1205
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: sweaty meat. Logs SHOULD i be? OFFENDED i came up with,

1206
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: it but its liked my basketball.

1207
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: Referencing sweaty as thick as meat buckets.

1208
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: Legs, yeah.

1209
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: You like slim jimsy.

1210
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 4: Very.

1211
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: Much fourth, ROUND a couple more rounds of. This, wow

1212
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: this is tough. MAN a lot of nicknames on the.

1213
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: BOARD i got three THAT i really, like and they're

1214
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: all guys that basically you've never heard. Of i'm going

1215
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: With Dennis. Autry Who's Dennis? Autry, yeah. Exactly he played

1216
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: seven hundred and thirty THREE nba, games so he played

1217
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 3: for a long. Time he's got a nineteen seventy NINE nba.

1218
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: Championship who would have that been?

1219
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: With who was seventy Three seattle super so.

1220
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 3: Went To Seattle. SuperSonics i didn't do research into why

1221
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: they called him, this but, Uh Dennis awtry's nickname is moose.

1222
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 6: Bread, Tough, yes Stinky, yeah, yes one day had stinky

1223
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 6: breadth not forever you're a moose.

1224
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: Breath that's really the best, nickname like you, know like

1225
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: that's like a school, nickname.

1226
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: Right?

1227
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah is This Steaky pete THAT i knew a? GUY i, mean.

1228
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for, him he was stinky and his name Was.

1229
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: Pete it was Sneaky pete from there, On Sneaky.

1230
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: Pete this guy came in after eating moose one, Day,

1231
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 3: like all, right loose, bro we saw that woman wearing

1232
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: a tall hat once we call their tall. Hat the

1233
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 3: rest of the exactly moose, bread tough.

1234
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: Stuff oh, yeah we're the kings of those type of.

1235
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: Nicknames moose. Breath, wow you ever had?

1236
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 3: Moose?

1237
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: Anybody? Ever do you seem any moose when you're a?

1238
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: Yellowstone?

1239
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: No saw animals that look like? Moose he has question

1240
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: some of these. EMUs there's there's there are mule there

1241
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: animals called mule. Deers, oh never heard of?

1242
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: That are they?

1243
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: Large you can, think you can think that they're? Mood

1244
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: not quite a moose for, You, yeah not quite a.

1245
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 3: Moose it's got weird.

1246
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: Ears.

1247
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: Huh nice coold moose.

1248
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: Bread never seen, him moose.

1249
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Breath Dennis Autry is he a one name nickname guy

1250
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: On Basketball? Reference or oh, no he's got a lot

1251
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: what else? Tree he's tall six, ten two thirty. Five

1252
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: dennis The menace and harpo.

1253
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: Harp what's up with this? Guy? Yeah this?

1254
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Guy, yeah all, right tass your fourth.

1255
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: Pick another big name guy, Here tracey, McGrady The Big.

1256
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 4: Sleep you, KNOW i Guess i'm just against these pejorative.

1257
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 4: Nicknames that's not. Nice it's not nice to call this

1258
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 4: guy The Big. Sleep, now he did kind of have sleepy,

1259
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: eyes or he still, does, definitely but you, know one

1260
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 4: of the best scores of the.

1261
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: Game call him The Big.

1262
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 4: Sleep you don't really you think of him having sleepy

1263
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: eyes when he's off the, court, really you, know like not,

1264
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: REALLY i don't.

1265
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: Know his eyes were usually. Open but wasn't he like

1266
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: one of the early guys to be, like, YEAH i

1267
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: love taking a, pregame.

1268
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: MAT i think, So i'm not.

1269
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: Sure still The Big sleep is.

1270
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: Funny, yeah all, right maybe maybe it's growing on.

1271
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: Me but T mac The Big, sleep it's just T

1272
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: mac is the, one the only one you remember him.

1273
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: As he's too good to have more than.

1274
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: One really my fourth, PICK i Guess i'll go with this.

1275
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: One markel. Faults how did a? Nickname, yeah you probably you're, like,

1276
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: well you're, right you're racking your brain right. Now you're,

1277
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: like what was his? Nickname?

1278
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: Quickwash what quick?

1279
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: Wash Justin anderson did? It former. Teammate he called him

1280
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: quickwash because of his uh, faults his, SIGNATURE i, guess

1281
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: very fast spin. Move so they called Him. Quickwash, okay

1282
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: but it's UNFORTUNATE i think for a guy Like falls

1283
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: who then had a rough career and fell off and you,

1284
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: know seemingly forgot how to shoot a, basketball and then

1285
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: like you're, like, oh he's. Washed so that's where my

1286
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: mind immediately. Goes but it's actually about a signature, move

1287
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: WHICH i guess he was pretty good at. THIS i

1288
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: don't really think of him like, that but Obviously anderson

1289
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: saw something coined the. Moniker BUT i think it's not.

1290
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: GREAT i just also don't doesn't sound good. Either there

1291
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: it goes quick.

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01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: Wash maybe maybe it could have lasted if he wasn't

1293
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: quickly washed exactly part of the.

1294
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Problem.

1295
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: Tough, yeah it seemed Like Justin anderson was just trying

1296
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: to be. Smart you know he took the spin, cycle

1297
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: you know.

1298
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: That, yeah he was trying to get creative with. It

1299
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: but then you're also, like what does this guy shower

1300
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: for like eight seconds after a.

1301
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: Game he's in and, out always ready to do. Media,

1302
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: uh so.

1303
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: Quick, WASH i WROTE i wrote an elevator With Markel folts. Once, okay, yep,

1304
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: yeah that's my story. Clean, yeah he was.

1305
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: FRIENDLIES i was ever on an elevator with no dirty

1306
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: dingus on market quick.

1307
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: Wash all, right one more round of bad.

1308
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: Nicknames oh, GOOD i got MY i got two last

1309
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: Guys i'm interested. In i'll give a shout out To Tony,

1310
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: campbell whose nickname Is. Blumpy not taking him, Though, Sorry,

1311
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: Tony i'm going for A Sacramento. King his name Was Dwyane.

1312
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: Causwell.

1313
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: Oh he played in the nineties into the two. Thousands

1314
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 3: his nickname the very nineties The, Cosonator Dwyane coswell The,

1315
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: cosinator cosinating the.

1316
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: Causes The cousinator sounds like a nickname of a buddy

1317
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: you went to high school and, specifically, yeah, yeah.

1318
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: He's a good. Guy he's got twelve subs in his.

1319
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: Trunks twice divorce but good. Guy the good guy never

1320
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: got out Of plano. Unfortunately WHAT i really like About

1321
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: Dwayne coswell The causinator is there's now a guy on

1322
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: The Sacramento kings Named Dylan, cardwell, right aka The Cardinate.

1323
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 3: Cardinator so, yeah give me The. Cousonator AM i influenced

1324
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: by my Friend jerry? Whoever but hey calls The? Shrimpinador? Probably,

1325
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: yeah but The causonator is it for?

1326
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 1: Me over any? Universe that's, right the. Shrimpinador god just loves.

1327
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Shrimp uh maybe, yeah The coswell just love. Causes, Okay Dwayne,

1328
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: coswell that's that's definitely a basketball CARD i hated to.

1329
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: Get, yeah, man not another causewell throw that one, up all,

1330
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 3: right toss your last, pick my last.

1331
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 4: Pick It's Damon jones for a couple of. Reasons, first

1332
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 4: has the name of our old Show Basketball. Jones that's

1333
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 4: one of his nick that but more so because his

1334
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: second a, nickname best shooter in the. World it's you,

1335
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 4: know it's it's a fine. Nickname but now what he's

1336
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: going through legally pleded it, guilty pled guilty In Brooklyn

1337
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: Federal court to two counts of conspiracy to commit wire

1338
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 4: fraud On april, twenty twenty twenty, six just doesn't jive.

1339
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 4: Anymore the worst gambler in the world.

1340
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: Your nickname At, yeah he.

1341
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 4: Ain't the best, anymore, Unfortunately Damon. Jones so, yeah that's

1342
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 4: why it just none of it.

1343
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: Fits the best shooter in the, world.

1344
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 4: Best shooter in the. World, wow literally all of those

1345
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 4: words as one. Nickname it's a. Lot best Dam here

1346
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 4: Comes Damon, jones best shooter in the. World it's a weird.

1347
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: Man when did He did he ever have a small

1348
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: window where he could actually claim, THAT i mean it

1349
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: was a good. Shooter oh, yeah he was for a

1350
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: three point. Shooter. Obviously did he ever lead the league

1351
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: in three point shoot in the.

1352
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: League in effective field goal? Percentage sixty one point one? Percent,

1353
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: okay that's pretty. Solid played eighty two games that. Season

1354
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 4: he played a lot of. Games forty from three that.

1355
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: Year that's not.

1356
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 4: Bad forty three percent from three while shooting fifty one

1357
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: point seven percent from two for a. Guard very. Good

1358
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: you know what this guy is the best? Shooter he

1359
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 4: was for one.

1360
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: Year it's Actually Damon jones with The Miami. Heat all, Right.

1361
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: My final pick worse nicknames On Basketball. REFERENCE i can't

1362
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: Believe i'm going to do, this But i'm looking in

1363
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: the mirror with this. One, Guys Joe johnson The Armadillo.

1364
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: Cowboy that's, right that's a NICKNAME i came up with

1365
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: and gave The Joe johnson way back in the Basketball jones.

1366
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: Days it somehow got added To Basketball. Reference it's stuck around,

1367
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 1: enough AND i just wanted to pick this one because

1368
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: there's a VERY i guess a little weird story that

1369
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: goes with it like people are, like why is he

1370
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: called The Armadillo? Cowboy LIKE i get you, know you

1371
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: see people's tweet that this, day they see it on

1372
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: his Bat what the hell is? That do you ever?

1373
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: REMEMBER i don't know jd or tasks of WHY i

1374
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: called him The Armadillo. COWBOY i cannot. Recall, yeah, YEAH

1375
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: i Think i've only shared this. Once, YEAH i definitely

1376
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: shared it once way back in the Basketball jones. Day

1377
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: but here's what happened of why he got the nickname

1378
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: The Armadillo. Cowboy here was my thinking it was a.

1379
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: Mistake CUTS i had Watched so this is When Joe

1380
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: johnson must have been when he was on The, hawks

1381
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: and he was Like, Iso Joe joe?

1382
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: Cool?

1383
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: Right he was? Cool he was he was very, talented

1384
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: he was. Good he was an all. STAR i watched

1385
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: a documentary By Spike, jones a short. Documentary it was

1386
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: Called armaillo By. MORNING i don't know if you guys

1387
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: have seen. It it's like this ninety eight documentary About

1388
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: Spike jones following these like two suburban kid kids that

1389
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: want to be cowboys and like sort of professional bull,

1390
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: riders but. Cowboys and he just follows a day in

1391
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: the life of, them and they're, like they're like sort of,

1392
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: cool and it's like it was a really cool doc

1393
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: AND i was trying to say The armarillo, cowboy and

1394
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: that was the link from this these cool sort of

1395
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: like doc and kids THAT i saw on this thing

1396
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: To Iso Joe joe. Cool that was WHAT i was

1397
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: thinking WHEN i said it on this podcast back and

1398
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: in the. Day BUT i of course screwed it up

1399
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: and said The Armadillo, cowboy not The armarillo.

1400
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: Cowboy and that's how we got to.

1401
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: It so that's how he now has The Armadillo, cowboy

1402
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: and it just. Stuck that's good because it was definitely somebody,

1403
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: said and you were like what AND i couldn't you,

1404
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: KNOW i couldn't correct. Myself, yeah. EXACTLY i was, like

1405
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, what maybe it does sound better in a weird. Way,

1406
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: yeah especially nickname though you.

1407
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think, it but we do have armadillos In, atlanta

1408
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 3: like you'll see you'll see it on the.

1409
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: Road you're.

1410
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 3: Right unbelievable to, ME i thought they were exclusively A southwestern,

1411
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 3: creature but they're apparently here in The southeast as, well

1412
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: just Like Joe johnson, was but he played In phoenix.

1413
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: Too he played In phoenix. TOO a lot of. Arms

1414
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: where is he?

1415
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 3: From?

1416
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: To is He?

1417
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 3: Arkansas In? Arkansas?

1418
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: Man do they Have armadillos In?

1419
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 3: Arkansas i'm only familiar with, Twos.

1420
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: That's how we got. There so, yeah he's got he's

1421
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: got good. ONES i Saw, Joe joe, cool big Shot.

1422
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: JOE i think it's. Fine you, know it's a classic

1423
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: for a bunch of. Guys but, uh and then it

1424
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: just says armadillo, cowboy AND i love that so. Much

1425
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: so there you. Go it's a dumb ass nickname and

1426
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: it was a. Mistake and, uh the only THING i

1427
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: would suggest is Watch armarillo by. Morning i'm sure it's

1428
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: online By Spike jones ninety eight. Documentary. Great there it

1429
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: is fifteen of the WORST nba. Nicknames there are thousands.

1430
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: Left you tell us what we, missed what should have been.

1431
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: Drafted let us know in the. Comments i'm sure the

1432
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: stream team probably is sharing a bunch right.

1433
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 3: Now they're not necessarily going in on, it but they surely.

1434
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 3: Will AND i, mean there's so many bad. Ones we

1435
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 3: could easily do this. Again one that stuck out to

1436
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: me Was james One. Cotton his nickname was one hundred.

1437
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: Percent that was, Great that was.

1438
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: Good, yeah just the.

1439
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: Fabric there's some bad.

1440
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: Ones there are some very bad. Ones i'm always surprised

1441
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: That leelis never got the donk up there For Luka

1442
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: dauncic on his.

1443
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: Because he's got a.

1444
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Million, yeah and that would be, fun something fun too

1445
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: to go through and see who has the most nicknames Basketball,

1446
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: reference Because luca has won, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

1447
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: nine ten are on. There, Wow lebron's got a.

1448
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 3: Lot Darryl dawkins would have a.

1449
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: Lot, yeah, yeah coach has. Eight.

1450
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: WOW i was just who coached The croatian, sensation the.

1451
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: Waiter those are the.

1452
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: TWO i had a massive document of a lot of

1453
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 3: things that cross. Over there was like sixty six players

1454
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: that had mister listed in their, nickname Including Jose, calderon Mister,

1455
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: caterine mister mister.

1456
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: Doesn't Doesn't DeRozan have a MISTER i AM i Am.

1457
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: Toronto there's a couple of guys who are just Mister Keith.

1458
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 4: Jennings Mister Michael jordan has Twelve, okay so On jordan

1459
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 4: has twelve and he has one THAT i IF i

1460
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 4: If i'm trying to remember that somebody's name Is, MIKE

1461
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 4: i Use Magic mike as a nick, name which, is you,

1462
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 4: know something That Michael jordan apparently has and something That

1463
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 4: Channing tan was really good at Being Magic.

1464
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: Mike that's, true that's.

1465
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 3: True all, right we'll call it.

1466
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: There here for a Random wednesday show talking about the

1467
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: best free agents left on the, Board Draymond green got

1468
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: in a Little lebron To philly talk because that was

1469
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: my first time talking about it with you. Guys and

1470
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: then the WORST nba nicknames want to hear? Yours check

1471
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: out the basketball reference pages and find the WORST nba

1472
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: nickname in your. Mind let us know in the comments.

1473
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: BELOW i think you guys addressed this late last, week

1474
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: but the movie poll results are in and we know

1475
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: we are Doing pirates of The. Caribbean congrats TO U

1476
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: tasks on your movie franchise coming. THROUGH i was always

1477
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: confident was going to be Either Indiana jones Or, pirates

1478
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: And india was leading early and then The pirates' heads

1479
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: came out and voted him backed that. One so can

1480
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: you remind me how many movies are in that? Franchise

1481
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: just The, fivero happy to, Hear happy to. Hear so

1482
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: we got to start recording, these watching these and then

1483
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 1: reviewing these and talking about. THESE i think it's going

1484
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: to be a fun, pick THOUGH i. WAS i was

1485
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: happy with the people come through forty percent of. Them oh,

1486
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: yeah we're gonn have some fun with this. One i've

1487
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: barely seen any of. Them you guys, say some of

1488
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: them are good and then a lot of them are.

1489
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: Crap the first three first a Good jesus.

1490
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: Diference they all tie.

1491
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: In, okay, Okay so we will be doing that as

1492
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: our next summer movie. Franchise that's coming here in Early

1493
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: august at some.

1494
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: Point.

1495
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: Otherwise we're back On friday with The drop, podcast so

1496
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll join us live or watch. Later listen to

1497
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,599
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