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Speaker 1: will not be here today. We wish him well and

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Speaker 1: uh not a stranger to the show, but uh maybe

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Speaker 1: to me to some extent, but uh, my son who's

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Speaker 1: been here before. Long time though, see Alex Furman. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad, it's so great to be here back on

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Speaker 2: the show with you. Yeah, thanks for having me. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, the last time I've been with you was

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Speaker 2: Christmas and it's it's almost the end of February.

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Speaker 1: What's the deal? Do I stay. I planned it that way.

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Speaker 2: Oh you planned it that way?

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: They're getting a little too cocky a time.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see how it is. I see how

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, no stranger here. We love to

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Speaker 1: have you here. It's going to be a good one today.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what, I want to start off

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Speaker 1: with the Olympics. Okay, because it's kind of a perfect

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Speaker 1: segue in a sense, because we're not in the NCAA

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Speaker 1: tournament yet in basketball, and certainly football is completed, so

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Speaker 1: it's a nice little window to talk about the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Have you been watching the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I've been watching a lot of the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching a lot of curling. I love curling.

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand the game or the sport rather,

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Speaker 2: but I love watching it.

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Speaker 1: But Nady is cheated in curly.

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Speaker 2: Well I did see that, and I was a big controversy.

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Speaker 1: Your mother and my wife is Canadian. But you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I know that she's my mom. I know that. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I watched the figure skating. It's amazing what

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Speaker 2: those people can do the duel when they're lifting each

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Speaker 2: other up in the year that I couldn't do that

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Speaker 2: in a million years, honestly. And the athletes in the

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Speaker 2: Winter Games, they're just they're incredible. I think I have

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Speaker 2: to get the nod maybe to the halfpipe where there's snow,

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Speaker 2: there's snowboarding down the halfpipe. It's amazing. They're doing these flips,

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Speaker 2: these tricks going down the halfpipe. How do you even

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Speaker 2: get started in that? How do you say, hey, mom

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Speaker 2: and dad, I want to give this a try.

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed because I can't even get down an escalator okay,

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Speaker 1: and you're doing halfpips okay. And I saw some of

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Speaker 1: the stories, some of the backstories that they have on

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Speaker 1: in his backyard. Yeah, I don't. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why you'd even want to do that. Really.

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Speaker 2: You know what amazes me though, is a lot of

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Speaker 2: these people, like they're of course the professional athletes, right,

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Speaker 2: we're going to call them professional athletes, but they are

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Speaker 2: just normal people. I mean they had I saw on

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Speaker 2: just like a third grade teacher, like, there's just normal people,

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Speaker 1: And then that brings up a question that I have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there's a different there's a different reasoning

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Speaker 1: So you root for them out of pride for your country.

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Speaker 2: They're constantly competing each other. And that's kind of like,

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Speaker 2: how cool is it dad to say, I'm an Olympic

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Speaker 2: I won a gold medal, I would wear it to work.

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Speaker 1: You would, Oh, yeah, the greatest. Say last night, I'm

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Speaker 1: She says, as long as you put something around your neck,

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Speaker 2: one puts all this time and effort, this blood and

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Speaker 2: Not all athletes kind of see feel that way.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is everyone is striving to win gold.

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Speaker 2: And I saw the figure skating. It was a pair,

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Speaker 1: All can't imagine practicing every day and when you're like six, seven,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and think about So that's why it's so

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Speaker 2: like when these athletes they don't win gold, or they

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Speaker 2: try to medal, it's so devastating to these athletes because

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Speaker 2: and they come up short. It's heartbreaking. Come on, think

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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, no doubt. Now. And then we talked about

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Speaker 1: curiosity out of the sport. But there's another reason. The hate.

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Speaker 1: And I hate to say that, I hate to say hate,

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Speaker 1: but it is hate because today is a showdown for

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Speaker 1: So why the hate. I think one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: And it's a big it's a very big rivalry and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is going to be another matchup

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Speaker 2: now we're the men's turn, right, they're up. But there's

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Speaker 2: Are you going to tune in?

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Speaker 1: It's right after the show. I don't know who I'm

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Speaker 1: going to root for because they say missus Furman is

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Speaker 1: if I rout any other way, I may be deported

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Speaker 2: You talk about a divided house here in the house,

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Speaker 2: so you know, and if you're an Ohio State fan,

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Speaker 2: you know sometimes there's someone in your family that's a

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Speaker 2: Michigan fan. This get divided house, right, and you know

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Speaker 2: this is this is on a national level, that this

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Speaker 2: is on the national herope because mom is Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now you're talking about the hate. It's not me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just making it up. I'm not just throwing

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Speaker 1: it out that because one of the members of the

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Speaker 1: US of a team he plays Fiata with Senators in

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Speaker 1: the National Hockey League. Ready kuld chuck. He called this

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Speaker 1: game and they said that the game is based on hate.

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Speaker 1: If you don't believe me. Take a listen to Brady.

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Speaker 4: I guess there's hatred there. I mean they've been they've

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Speaker 4: been the top dog. They've been, they've been the best

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Speaker 4: for the last bunch of years. And for us, we

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Speaker 4: want to we want to be in that position.

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Speaker 2: We want to.

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Speaker 4: I'll be the best. So yeah, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 4: game where I think a lot of guys could say

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Speaker 4: this is the biggest games that they've ever played in.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that was Brady could chuck. He plays for

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Speaker 1: the Ottawad Senate. It's gonna be placed for the US

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Speaker 1: of A. And he's getting ready today for the for

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Speaker 1: the game against Canada. And the US of A has

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Speaker 1: not won an Olympic Golden hockey since nineteen eighty, which

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Speaker 1: is the miracle on ice. And and get this, tell

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Speaker 1: me this isn't faith. It's unbelievable. Today's February the twenty second,

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Speaker 1: the same day in nineteen eighty when the men won

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, Dad, Right, So you're

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, you talk about the

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Speaker 1: The NBA, what they have that that stupid lottery with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt that Adam knows of the situation, and

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Speaker 2: he acknowledges that. You know, the tanking this year is

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Speaker 2: ever been. And for anyone who doesn't even know what

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Speaker 2: But to your point, with the lottery system, they're not

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Speaker 2: Ry, but you say race to the bottom. If you

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Speaker 2: do it in the style of the NFL. It truly

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what's gonna happen. It's got to change,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Adam Silva handed out fine of

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Speaker 1: form was also given to the Paces for holding on

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Speaker 1: because these teams will easily right to check to get

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, Mark Cuban, the former

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Speaker 1: get this embrace tanking. Really, And you know what, I

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Speaker 1: agree with him. I agree. But you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: I agree with fan experience, but look, Mark Cuban is

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Speaker 2: Who wants to go to the game anyway, Dad, No

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Speaker 2: one's going to go to the game. No one's going

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Speaker 2: Why would you and why would you want to tank?

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Speaker 2: I understand the idea of you're going to tank, You're

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

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Speaker 2: All these teams are in business. They have to make money.

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Speaker 1: You know what, though, it's funny because Mark Cuban said this,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with recording what he said right now

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Speaker 1: is a few people can remember the score from the

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Speaker 1: They can't remember the dunk, so they can't remember the shots.

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Speaker 1: I agree with them. You know, I don't really. I

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Speaker 2: Think about this, okay from a friend of experience. You

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Speaker 1: What's the fan experience?

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Speaker 2: Like that?

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Speaker 1: Your experience you remember.

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Speaker 2: Going to And these games aren't cheap, Dad, You're spending

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Speaker 1: And that's your fan experience.

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Speaker 2: That's the experience you want.

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Speaker 1: That's load management. And I can't stand that because look,

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Speaker 1: That that's the worst. But other than that, the tanking.

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Speaker 1: I'll go back to Cuban again and he says this,

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be, to a game and buy their

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Speaker 1: The NBA should worry more about pricing fans out of

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's almost you can't afford to go to

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's kind of across the board on

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Speaker 2: there to be an entertainment. It's more about the money.

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Speaker 1: one season. Maybe a quarterback camp. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: the NBA is the one sport that tanking is so

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Speaker 1: important to these teams because that one guy can make

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Speaker 1: a big difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's true. But the way that it's currently structured,

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Speaker 2: even if you do tank, which you know, you're not

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Speaker 2: guaranteed that that very first pick because of the lottery,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't know, it's the last fourteen teams

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Speaker 2: in the league and then they're in the lottery, and

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Speaker 2: then they run the lottery and it doesn't even guarantee

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Speaker 2: that you're the first pick, you could be the fourteenth pick,

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Speaker 2: and it's still doesn't the right so you know.

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Speaker 1: They got it. Still a problem, not ours. He really

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Speaker 1: is the problem. All right, here's Alex from and Andy Firman.

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Speaker 1: that in just about a minute. He might. He's Alex Firman.

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Speaker 1: He's in for Bucky Brooks today. We're live from the

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio studios. We're gonna have asked Alex in

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Speaker 1: about ten twelve minutes from now. But I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about coaching. Because you played the game, you played

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Speaker 1: the various sports you ran track, you played football in

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Speaker 1: high school, in college, what else, wrestling, you were wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Because you play, you become in contact with a lot

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Speaker 1: of different coaches. Okay, I want to about the coaches

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Speaker 1: behavior on the sidelines of various sports. And I think

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Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball, people are very attuned to

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Speaker 1: the behavior of a coach because he's very close to

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Speaker 1: the fans, and some of these coaches, you know, have

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Speaker 1: rabbit ears. Really, I think some of the coaches behavior,

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Speaker 1: at least basketball on the sidelines have changed. And you

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Speaker 1: didn't laugh when I tell you this, because the dress

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Speaker 1: code back in the day, coaches would wear a shirt

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Speaker 1: and tie suit. Jay right at Villanova always dressed to

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Speaker 1: the Nines. Rip Patino still wears a suit, Mick cronin

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Speaker 1: still wears a suit for UCLA. But the other guys

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Speaker 1: look like slobs they're really doing. I think there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a relaxed atmosphere and I think they

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Speaker 1: act like that on the sidelines. So tell me about

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Speaker 1: coaches behavior and the coaches that you've come in contact with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every coach is a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, Dad, I think you know coaches

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Speaker 2: like Patino and mccronan, I mean, I think they're just

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Speaker 2: coaches from a different era versus what the coaches are now.

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Speaker 2: And it kind of proves, or it just proves the

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Speaker 2: theory that, uh, you don't have to dress a certain

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Speaker 2: way to be a successful coach. You just need you

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Speaker 2: just need to know the exes and os. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at uh McDaniel right for for Miami. He he

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Speaker 2: was wearing sweatpants. He was wearing you know, sweatpants and

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Speaker 2: a hoodie and and and whatever, and uh, he was

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Speaker 2: the head football coach and he's not out there wearing

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Speaker 2: a suit or tie or or anything else like that.

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Speaker 2: But I think it doesn't matter what you're wearing. It

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Speaker 2: just matters that you know the ex'es and o's. But

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Speaker 2: I think there is a certain level of professionalism with

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Speaker 2: these older these older coaches, if you will, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I think dressed commands respect and I think that goes

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Speaker 1: to students as well. And you see a student going

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Speaker 1: to school with a T shirt as opposed to like

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Speaker 1: a button down college shirt. But that's a different story

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Speaker 1: for another day. I'm talking about a various coach basketball

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Speaker 1: Kansas State. They fired the basketball coach Jerome Tang a

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Speaker 1: day after he said the athletes didn't deserve to be

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Speaker 1: on the team all right, and he was fired for cause,

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Speaker 1: which means that the school will not pay him. Is

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Speaker 1: eighteen million dollar bayout. He says fans were wearing bags

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Speaker 1: over their heads, and he said that he would wear

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Speaker 1: one too. The embarrassment to me, is not coming from

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Speaker 1: the coach, is the administration that fired him. Be honest,

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Speaker 1: be honest, say that you fired him because he wasn't winning. Period.

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Speaker 1: Kansas State now is what eleven and fifteen, twelve and

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Speaker 1: fifteen or eleven and sixteen, whatever it may be, two

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Speaker 1: wins in the Big twelve. I get it. They're not winning.

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Speaker 1: Fired a guy because you're not winning. Don't say you

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Speaker 1: fired because what he said and embarrassed they did school.

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Speaker 1: He didn't embarrass anybody. You know. Two years ago this

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Speaker 1: guy was what he was, coach of the year, coach

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Speaker 1: of the year. He went to the Final four, I

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Speaker 1: believe he did with Kansas State. So it's amazing to me.

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Speaker 1: What schools do you don't like what Kansas State did?

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Speaker 1: It sends out to me a bad message. And now

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Speaker 1: they don't want to pay his money. Did you heard

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Speaker 1: about that Kansas State deal? Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't know if I entirely

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Speaker 2: agree here, Dad, I think as a head coach, you

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Speaker 2: can't be talking about your players like that. You can't

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Speaker 2: be saying comments like that. Look, we get it, you're

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Speaker 2: having a bad year. You're not out there winning games.

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Speaker 2: But you can't blame your own organization. You can't blame

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Speaker 2: your own players, and you certainly can't say things like

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Speaker 2: all the players don't deserve to be here. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a bad look on the organization, that's a bad

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Speaker 2: look for the school. You know, we kind of saw

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Speaker 2: that a little bit this year at Miami. You're going

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Speaker 2: to go back to Miami where Tua was talking bad

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Speaker 2: about his own players and calling players out. You don't

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Speaker 2: do that on a team. You don't do that in

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Speaker 2: an organization. You're a family, right, The coaches always preach family.

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Speaker 1: Your family, don't do that teach other Tua, he's a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't the coach. Okay, And I'll tell you it's

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Speaker 1: a different era, it's a different day and age. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what I mean by that. I did some research.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I did. These kids at Kansas

556
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Speaker 1: State are averaging two million dollars a player. Okay, they're

557
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Speaker 1: no longer student athletes. They're pros. They're professional players. So

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Speaker 1: when the coach said we're getting up tomorrow morning at

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Speaker 1: six am to practice. This's your job. You better get

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Speaker 1: your butt up there and be over there at practice,

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Speaker 1: I mean what he said is true. These guys are workers.

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Speaker 1: They're not student athletes. They're not even students because half

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Speaker 1: these kids are going to be leaving the program and

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Speaker 1: try to get their name in the portal to go

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Speaker 1: to another school next year. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly with the nil deals now, the whole dynamic

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Speaker 2: of what even a student athlete even is anymore. What

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Speaker 2: that even means anymore has shifted, and it changes even

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Speaker 2: what their job and responsibility is, and even that dynamic

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Speaker 2: with how they're treated with the coaches and how the

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Speaker 2: coaches treat them. You know, they're not the coaches used

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Speaker 2: to look at them as the student athletes. Now coaches

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Speaker 2: are looking them as assets that they have to retain

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Speaker 2: on the on the team, or they're going to put

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Speaker 2: their name in the portal and they're going to go

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. And that's a completely new burden on the

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Speaker 2: coach that they have to deal with and navigate throughout

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Speaker 2: the entire year. And if they're losing games like Kansas

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Speaker 2: State was, it's it's a no brainer for a student

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Speaker 2: to go back to the portal and say, I want

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Speaker 2: to transfer my name to a winning team, to a

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Speaker 2: winning program.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this much. If I'm a coach

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Speaker 1: and I see some of those Kansas State kids' names

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Speaker 1: in the portal, I stay away, you know, because I

586
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Speaker 1: see these guys running away from a program that kind

587
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Speaker 1: of hit the skids, and these kids cannot take the

588
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Speaker 1: responsibility and admit that it's then they they did it.

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00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: They're the losers, not the coach, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna jump ship because of what they did, not

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Speaker 1: the coach. I don't want them on my team. I

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Speaker 1: don't want I don't. I don't care what kind of

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Speaker 1: a player you are. I think a lot has to

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Speaker 1: show me, show me mentally that you're mentally tough, that

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Speaker 1: you could get out of that and win. You know,

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Speaker 1: those that stay at Kansas State, I applaud, But most

597
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Speaker 1: of those kids, I'm sure we'll got their name in

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Speaker 1: the portal to get out.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the heck with the mental game, the

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Speaker 2: heck with any of that. Dad, They're still getting paid.

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Speaker 2: They're still getting paid their money. What do they care, right,

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Speaker 2: They're still getting paid their two million. It's the dynamic

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Speaker 2: of the NIL. What we see in is completely changed

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Speaker 2: the scope of a student athlete, of college sports in general,

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Speaker 2: and the interaction between what the coaches and the athletes

606
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: are to each other. And certainly we're seeing the ramifications

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: Now. All right, let's go. Let's move over to Mick Cronin,

609
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: a good friend who used to coach University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: He had a great overtime win yesterday at UCLA they

611
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Speaker 1: were down like by twenty three and it came back.

612
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Speaker 1: But earlier in the week they were getting beat up

613
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Speaker 1: pretty good by Michigan State and Steve Jamison had a

614
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Speaker 1: tough foul. He committed a hard foul and all of

615
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: a sudden what happened? Corona says, you get your butt

616
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Speaker 1: over there and threw them out, throw them to the

617
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Speaker 1: locker room. Okay, heart foul. I shouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 1: But do you agree that Cronin did that? Kind of

619
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Speaker 1: humiliated the kid embarrassed to get Then Cony apologized he

620
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Speaker 1: did that to to a man. He apologized. I think

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Speaker 1: something like that could really shudder a team. It really

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Speaker 1: kind of could break a team in half because Jamison

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Speaker 1: was embarrassed, no doubt about that. And more than that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the other players on the team say, what what is

625
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: he doing to a teammate? I think that that could

626
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: ruin or break a team apart?

627
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Speaker 5: Can't it?

628
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Speaker 2: I don't know? Why is why is Jamison feeling embarrassed

629
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Speaker 2: because he got caught doing the hart foul, but then

630
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Speaker 2: he got disciplined by the coach. This is these are

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Speaker 2: what coaches are Dad. If you if you commit a foul,

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Speaker 2: if you put your team in a situation where they're

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Speaker 2: not going to excel or whatever it may be, you

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Speaker 2: get disciplined. Right, So Mick Cronin was essentially just doing

635
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Speaker 2: his job as the head coach. Why does he have

636
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: to apologize for putting pull him out of the game

637
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Speaker 2: and send him to the locker room.

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Speaker 1: I agree with part of what you said. Yeah, you

639
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Speaker 1: disciplined somebody, but not in front of fifteen thousand people

640
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Speaker 1: in the stands. You don't pull them out in the

641
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Speaker 1: middle of a game. That that's humiliation. There's a difference

642
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Speaker 1: between being humiliated and being disciplined.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably some aspects that that we don't see,

645
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: certainly conversations, maybe things that we don't see behind or

646
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: behind closed doors. Right, Maybe this was just him setting

647
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Speaker 2: in an example. Maybe this was him flexing his muscles, saying,

648
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Speaker 2: I'm still the guy in charge. I'm the big dog,

649
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm the head coach. I'm making the decisions. But as

650
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: a head coach, I've always had respect for my head coaches.

651
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: If and all the players that you know I played with,

652
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: they had they had respect for the head coach. If

653
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: the coach pulled them out of the game. We respected

654
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: that decision. We weren't embarrassed. We were certainly upset. Maybe

655
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: you know that I got pulled out for you know,

656
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. But why I don't agree. I

657
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: don't like that he he backed off or he turned around,

658
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't double down. I don't like that

659
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: he did. As a head coach, be strong. If you

660
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: decid I had to pull your player out and send

661
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: him to the locker room. That's what you gotta do,

662
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: and you got to you gotta live by that decision,

663
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: and you got agree by that decision. Not come back

664
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: the next day and apologize for it. That's a little

665
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: bit weak in my in my eyes.

666
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you this much. I do applaud

667
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: the administration of UCLA because if he was at Kansas State,

668
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: he would have been fired. Really, you got to back

669
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: your coach. You got to back the coach right, wrong

670
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think it was wrong. I think that

671
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: you take the kid aside after the game and do

672
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: that that. We saw the situation a week ago when

673
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Saint John's was playing Providence and there was a lot

674
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: of hard fouls there and Patino or anybody else in

675
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: that game that was not pulled. No player was pulled,

676
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: and there were more heart fouls in that game. This

677
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: is the first time I've seen something like that. I

678
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: think even Tom Izzo, the Michigan State coach, was kind

679
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: of shot that Krona did something like that. But Crona,

680
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: to me, has always had a short fuse. That's just

681
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: where he is. He's always been that way. I've gotten

682
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: into it over the years with him when he was

683
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati when I'd say things on the radio and

684
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I get it, and then then he cooled down and

685
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: apologized and we became pretty good friends. But more than that,

686
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: I just think that you got to just back off

687
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and realize that what you doing, you're

688
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: creating a situation. I mean, you know, I'm surprised more

689
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: parents don't get involved. I mean, if you had a

690
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: parent of this kid that was pulled, aren't you upset?

691
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: You argue were embarrassed? Really, this thing goes viral, It's

692
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: it's an embarrassment.

693
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Dad, I don't see it. I don't see it that way.

694
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: I don't see it that way. I mean, you've always

695
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: taught me to respect the coaches and oh yeah, oh yeah,

696
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: you always taught me to respect my coaches and I've

697
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: always I always did that. And if they they were

698
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: the people in charge, right, they were like the bosses,

699
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: they were the managers. Whatever you want to do, whatever

700
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: word you want to say, right, it's their decision and

701
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: whatever they decide to do, that's what where I was

702
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: to follow, right, And if they were to pull me out,

703
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: they pulled me out. I wasn't gonna be all upset.

704
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: I never complained to you, Dad, that the coach pulled

705
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: me out of the game, or I'm not getting enough

706
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: playing time.

707
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 3: Right.

708
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: Kids are different now they're complaining to the parents, I'm

709
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: not getting enough playing time. We're seeing that all the

710
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: way down to the high school levels, and I think

711
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: it's a load of bs. You know, honestly, I think

712
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: that the coach have the final say. They know what's best.

713
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: They're the head coach. They're putting in that position for

714
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: a reason.

715
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: Dad, Okay, you're making a major comparison, and I think

716
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: it's wrong. I'll tell you why. Being pulled out of

717
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: the game for missing a block, for dropping a pass,

718
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: for not doing the right play, I get that. I

719
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: mean that's basically part of the game. And you've been

720
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: involved with that you've seen that. I'm sure you've seen

721
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: coaches do that be whatever it might be, running the

722
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: wrong play, whatever it might be. Okay, that I understand,

723
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: But committing a hard foul that has to be disciplined.

724
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: There's a difference between being disciplined and not following the

725
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: script of a game. There's a major difference. And I

726
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: think you're missing the point.

727
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think I think what mc cronins did

728
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: was correct. Okay, as the head coach, I don't think

729
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: he should have he shouldn't backed off and apologized. I

730
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: think he should have doubled down. But to your point,

731
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: what happened at the Saint John's and Provinces game, why

732
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: wasn't any Why wasn't that taking care of a lot

733
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: better than what it was? I mean, what seven ejections

734
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: in game? And then most recently the VCU game, again

735
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: a player pushed into the bench, into the into the bench,

736
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: and there was the whole team came back onto the field,

737
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: and it's kind of getting a little bit out of hand,

738
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: your dad.

739
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in college basketball in years, and

740
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: this year I've seen three or four of those incidents.

741
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: And is there any reason why I mean, I understand

742
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: why they're doing that. I don't get it.

743
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: I think, well, with the Saint John game, I think

744
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: that was a that was a big rival game, right,

745
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of passion, a lot hard

746
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: into that game, and emotions ran high. With the VCU,

747
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: I think that was just a bad uh, just a

748
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: bad egg or if you will, right, the player was upset,

749
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: he took it out on the other player and and

750
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: the rest of the team was backing his players up.

751
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna ask you a very serious question right now,

752
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: and I hope you give me the right answer. And

753
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a sport that you played

754
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: a a coach that you played for, But I'm sure

755
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: that you hung out with a lot of the athletes

756
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: in school and they talked about what's going on. Have

757
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: you ever heard a story that a coach would basically

758
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: tell their team to play extra physical to get into

759
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: a situation like that?

760
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I wouldn't say that. I've never

761
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: been in a situation where I've heard the coaches would

762
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: promote violence, if you will, If that's the if that's

763
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: the question you're asking, the answer is no, and that's

764
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: that's it should be that way. No coach should ever

765
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: promote violence. It's we're playing a sport. I was always

766
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: taught sportsmanship with all my coaches. It'll never go out

767
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: there and hurt this player so we can win or

768
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: go to take the advantage wherever it may be. No,

769
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: absolutely not.

770
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Okay, last, but not least, should Mick Cronan have been

771
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: suspended or does he need anger management? That was the

772
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: question I asked.

773
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. I think Mick cronan was doing exactly

774
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: what he was doing. He was being a head coach.

775
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: Maybe got heated a little bit, but he made a decision,

776
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: a split second decision, pull this player out, put him

777
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: in a locker room and said you're done for the

778
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: day because you come into that heart foul. He's the

779
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: head coach you see, put him in the heads coach

780
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: position because they believe in him and they believe in

781
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: his his philosophy. If you say, if you will so, No,

782
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he needs anger management. I think mc

783
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: crohnan was doing exactly what he needed to do at

784
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: that moment.

785
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: All right, lest but not Lisa. Yesterday at University of

786
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Cincinnati had a big win. They beat Kansas at Kansas. Okay,

787
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: one quick thing. This this kid, Darren Peterson on Kansas.

788
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: He's checking himself out of ball games. I don't know

789
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: why I'm making a big deal about it. There's a

790
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: lot of noise around him. And he swelled the other day.

791
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: I really swelled. It overflowed this week. He was cramping.

792
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: On Wednesday's game when they beat Oklahoma State, he hit

793
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: a three point shot, goes to the Kansas bench. He

794
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: signals to coach Bill Self says he needs to be

795
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: pulled full in the game. What's the big whoop? What's

796
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: the big deal about that? I don't get it. People

797
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: right now, whatever you do, if you walk the wrong way,

798
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: it's it's on social media. It's nuts.

799
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: I think it's just something that I don't know. Maybe

800
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: people are just looking at and saying, oh, this is

801
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: you know, why is he doing that to himself? Why

802
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: is he pulling himself out of the game. Who is

803
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: he say that? I don't know. That kind of doesn't

804
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: seem very uh sportsmanship like to towards the rest of

805
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: his team. I'm gonna pull myself out of this game

806
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: because eh, I'm not into it today, or you know,

807
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: I kind of tweaked my shoulder or tweak my knee.

808
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: I can see maybe he's trying to prevent an injury.

809
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: But you're an athlete, dude, be an athlete.

810
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: All right, suck about, suck it up right, not a

811
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: good look. Okay, he's Alex ferman in for Bucket Brooks.

812
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Fermana. He played the game, Yes he did.

813
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: He's not Bucky. But we're gonna ask anyway. Why of

814
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: course I ask Alx. Fox Sports Radio has the best

815
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our

816
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,799
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817
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Search FSR to listen live. All right, asked Alice. Coming

818
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: up in about ten minutes. That's Alex Firman. He's in

819
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: for Bucket Brooks today. I'm Andy Fermaner. By the way,

820
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: it's about ten minutes before the top of the hour

821
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: or broadcasting live from the Fox Bust Radio studio, So

822
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: right now it is time for ask Alex.

823
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 5: Alrighty, what would your best method be to end tanking

824
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: in the NBA?

825
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Alex, Yeah, yeah, that's great question. I think honestly, the

826
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: probably the first step is to remove the lottery system

827
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: and go something that mimics the NFL. The worst team

828
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: gets the first pick, and it should be like that.

829
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: But even that, that might be even a faster race

830
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: for teams to try to tank to even get to

831
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: the bottom. So I think there's a lot of things

832
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: to look at, but possibly getting rid of the lottery

833
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 2: system is going to be the first step.

834
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and before I ask this next question, at the

835
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 5: MLB did implement something recently after Houston was tanking for

836
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 5: years and years the Astros and then they won their

837
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: World Series Cheating Scaler or whatever, they basically got a

838
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 5: ton of first overall picks in a row. Now, if

839
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 5: you pick in the top three for a certain number

840
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: of years or top ten, you have to pick eleventh,

841
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: even if you have the last record like having the

842
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: White Sox last year, gonna happen to the Angels this

843
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 5: year they can't get or they last year they couldn't

844
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 5: get a top ten pick. So that's another thing the

845
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: NBA could consider. But why no tanking in the NFL

846
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 5: or MLB comparatively to that of the NBA.

847
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think, and I kind of said this earlier before.

848
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: I think, like the NFL and then the MLB, they're

849
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: more of entertainment nowadays. You know, sure they're professional athletes,

850
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: but think of a like an MLB game, right you

851
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: go to the stadiums, there's places for the kids to

852
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: go to, there's playgrounds, there's restaurants there, and just so

853
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: happens to be in the middle of the ballpark is

854
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: a baseball game going on. So there's like, I think

855
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: they're really more focused on the entertainment value, so they're

856
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: not really worried more about the tanking aspect of trying

857
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: to get to the last place. And then the NFL,

858
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: there's only seventeen games, and I think every team is

859
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: just trying to win those seventeen games to shoot for

860
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: the for the Super Bowl. But I think also it's

861
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: just a way that they're structured in the sense of

862
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: how they get their new players, how their their draft

863
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: system works.

864
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: And on the NBA, how do you fix the All

865
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: Star Game, because that's another thing they're dealing. It seems

866
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 5: like the NBA has all these problems right now.

867
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NBA has a lot to take a look

868
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: underneath the hood. I think one of the things that

869
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: I was listening to this earlier in last week, so

870
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: I think you have to have your your stars participate

871
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: in those minigames. You know, Michael Jordan used to participate

872
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: in the Dunk Contest. I don't know if I've ever

873
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: seen Lebron James participate in the Dunk cost Test, or

874
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: if he has, it's been years. So things like that

875
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: bring your top players, your stars into those minigames. I

876
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: think that's going to increase your participation in those minigames

877
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: and hype up the All Star.

878
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 5: And you could see live in person the World Series,

879
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 5: MLB All Star Game, NBA Finals, NBA All Star Game,

880
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 5: Super Bowl Final four, College Football Title Game? Which one

881
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 5: do you choose? And why give us your top three picks?

882
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, The Final Four. I've been to the

883
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: Final four. It's amazing. That might be my pick three.

884
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: The College Football Title Game, I've always wanted to go

885
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: to one. The atmosphere is unbelievable, it looks so much fun.

886
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: That might be my number two. But I'm gonna go

887
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: with the NBA Finals because I think at that point,

888
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: those are when the players play at their hardest and

889
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: their best, and that's probably might be one of the

890
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: most entertaining. You talk about the NBA All Star game.

891
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 2: It's just you know what team can shoot the most

892
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: or the score the most, and they played no defense.

893
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: It's annoying to watch. It's it's it's it's terrible. But

894
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, I think that's gonna be my number one.

895
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd agree with you there. The NBA Finals is

896
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: pretty I've never seen it, but I hope the Lakers

897
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 5: one day can get back and I can go because

898
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 5: it was COVID the last time. But that's it for

899
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 5: ask Alex.

900
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. All right, I tell you what I think.

901
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: He passed the test. Here we go, but we're gonna

902
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: continue right now. He was once suspended from high school.

903
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: He now may be a hero that I'm more aware of.

904
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: Fox Sports. Okay, we're gonna tell you what to be fixed.

905
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: That's coming right up. And good morning everybody. This is

906
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.

907
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Firm and Alex Firman in today for Bucky Brooks.

908
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,680
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909
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910
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913
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,279
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914
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,360
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915
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: way we go, mister Alex from And how's it going

916
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: so far? Okay, yeah, dad, I'm doing great.

917
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: Good morning. Oh okay, good morning. Thanks for having me

918
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: again on the show. And uh, I think I said

919
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: it before already, but you know, I haven't been over

920
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: to a Sunday dinner since Christmas. And I don't know.

921
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Did I do something to upset you?

922
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: Do?

923
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: I stink? I take showers weekly.

924
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: You got a pair? You really do have a pair?

925
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: You really do? I mean, we'll get it to that

926
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: a little later on. I don't think that should be

927
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: public knowledge here. Maybe there's a reason why. Okay, I

928
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: do have a question to answer. In about maybe two

929
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: hours from now, nine o'clock Eastern time, the United States

930
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: will be playing Canada and hockey for the Olympic goal.

931
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: All right. I'm not the biggest hockey fan in the world,

932
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: although although as a child, my dad your grandpa would

933
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: take me on Sunday nights to see the New York

934
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Rangers play in Madison Square Garden. I used to go

935
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: to a lot of the games. I used to remember

936
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Andy Bathgate going Worsley was the goalkeeper, Roger Gilbert. It

937
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: was great. I used to really love it. There were

938
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: only six teams in the league at that point in time. However,

939
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: we got a bit of a conflict here, And tell

940
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: me how I could handle this because your mom and

941
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: my wife is Canadian? All right, do I go against

942
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: my country for my wife? I don't know what to do.

943
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of maybe not even watching it really.

944
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we'll just go with the old saying,

945
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: happy wife, happy life. Right, So you're gonna have to

946
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: root for oh Canada. But no, I think I'm gonna

947
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: be watching it. I'm gonna be tuning into that game.

948
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: This is gonna be like a sex can second match

949
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: for US against Canada. The women's team beat Canada and

950
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: took home the gold, and now I guess it's the

951
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: men's term to step up on stage and play the

952
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Canadian But this is kind of cool.

953
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I like that.

954
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: You know a lot of the players in the NHL

955
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: are Canadian and they play, you know, in Canada, so

956
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's always been the US against the Canadians,

957
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: and I love that rivalry. I love that that match

958
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: up there, and I think we're in for one heck

959
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: of a show here. I only at nine o'clock. What

960
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: a great way to start your Sunday morning.

961
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: I agree. Now, I do have a question, because you know,

962
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not the smartest guy in the world, So the

963
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: question I have is here. I'm not too keen on

964
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: athletes getting paid in college, all right. I think they

965
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: deserve to get something because they're doing a lot of

966
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: work and they increase enrollment, they increase merchandise sales that

967
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: get their school on TV. So you need to be

968
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: paid for something, whatever may be. Although somewhat arguments say that, hey,

969
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: look they're getting a scholarship, they're getting the books, whatever

970
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: it may be. So I think that's the situation. Rick

971
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Patino came up with a great idea the other day,

972
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: and I really think this is where they should go

973
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: with this. They're not going to take away the money.

974
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: It's God's there. They're not taking it back. They're going

975
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: to get paid. But he looked at the standings in

976
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: the Big East Conference and really there were three teams

977
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: that are competing Saint John's, Connecticut and Villanova other than

978
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: that the teams are dreadful. Really, they're just there's no competition.

979
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: So he said they should put a limit on the budget,

980
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: the amount of money these players should get to kind

981
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: of like balance the scale a little bit. I like

982
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: that going to the Olympics right now. I'm not too

983
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: happy about having professionals play. Back in the day, it

984
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: was amateur athletes. I understand that the US basketball team

985
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: for years were playing kids, amateur kids against the so

986
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: called professionals and the other countries. So I don't know

987
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: how to balance it out. I don't know if it's

988
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: better that way. Then all of a sudden, when we

989
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: had the Dream Team come along, they just humiliated it

990
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: everybody in basketball, and maybe that's what we wanted to do.

991
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have an answer for that?

992
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Should they get paid? Should the college kids get paid?

993
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I like what ru Patino said about giving them a budget.

994
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know, is they're an answer.

995
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when the Nile just first started, I

996
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: was really against it because I was thinking to myself,

997
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, these kids, they're they're getting these full ride scholarships,

998
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: they're getting their dorms, they're getting their swag, they're getting

999
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: their their books, everything already paid for. Why are they

1000
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: getting money on top of it? Right, they had the

1001
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: dream already in their hand.

1002
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Now that the end.

1003
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: Now that they're getting money, I kind of see it.

1004
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with you know, they should be paid.

1005
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: They're they're the ones that bringing in all this money

1006
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: into the college, into the universities. I do like that

1007
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: the professional athletes are playing in these Olympic Games. I

1008
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: don't disagree with that whatsoever. I understand the argument where, well,

1009
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: these are the amateur athletes, but give the profess a

1010
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: chance to represent their countries too. Who are we to

1011
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: rob them of that opportunity of that situation?

1012
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: Right?

1013
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: And certainly other countries I'm sure they're doing the same

1014
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: things too, where they're putting their athletes in the Olympic

1015
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: Games to represent their country and as a country, why

1016
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: the heck.

1017
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: Weren't you right now? The question I have is that

1018
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: you follow athletes, and you travel in a different circle

1019
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: than I did, because you played the game, and you

1020
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: plan in various athletic teams, be a college, and do

1021
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: a high school. So you know the answer to this question.

1022
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: I understand the football and basketball players are getting money

1023
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: big money. Okay, we talked about Kansas State earlier. Today,

1024
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: those plays are averaging two million dollars a shot. I

1025
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: don't know if the women's team are getting I don't

1026
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: know if they're getting but can you tell me are

1027
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: the track athletes getting money? Are the swimers getting money

1028
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: or soccer players or is it just the revenue bringing

1029
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: revenue sports are getting the money. I don't know. I

1030
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: really don't know.

1031
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: No one talks about that, Yeah, no one really does

1032
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: talk about it. But I think the average person would

1033
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: think that it's just going to be the revenue people

1034
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: that they're bringing in the money. To say that those

1035
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: track athletes, they're not on an nil deal. They may be,

1036
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: it may be one hundred and fifty, but maybe they're

1037
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: also part making that sound like it's nothing. You're right,

1038
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: but compared to two million, it is nothing. You know,

1039
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: that's just a drop in the bucket, if you will.

1040
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: But I think there's more opportunities for local deals for

1041
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: those kinds of athletes, right, maybe a local law firm

1042
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: or a local local car dealership or something like that,

1043
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: especially the track athletes who maybe later on represent the

1044
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: United States, and exactly a shoe deal something like that.

1045
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, now my next question is this, and I

1046
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: don't think this has been brought up though you talk

1047
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: about the Big East Conference, the majority of the teams

1048
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: in that conference do not have football. I would think

1049
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: that a basketball only school will have advantage over a

1050
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: school that plays basketball and football. What do I mean

1051
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: by that? The alums are asked to stick their hand

1052
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: in their wallet and give money to get potential athletes

1053
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: to the school. I'm looking on a local basis. University

1054
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati has football and basketball, women's and men's basketball,

1055
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: So the alums are saying, well, give us a donation

1056
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: for football, give us a donation for basketball. Well, a

1057
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: school like Xavier University, which is right down the street

1058
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, just has basketball. Don't you think there's an

1059
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: advantage if you only have one sport. I think school's

1060
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: like Villanova, schools like Connecticut basketball is King not football.

1061
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: Marquette just this basketball. Don't you think the schools will

1062
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: only have basketball will have an advantage over the schools

1063
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: that have basketball and football.

1064
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: Well maybe so, but certainly it's just how that's the

1065
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: structure and just how that school the opportunity is they're

1066
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: at that school. I I you know, they have football programs.

1067
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: You know, they're just very small. They're tiny, you know,

1068
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: you know, they're not the main money driver that brings

1069
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: money into the university.

1070
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: Y Okay, speaking of football, let me talk about this

1071
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: a little football news NFL quarter about Teddy Bridgewater for

1072
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks. He was suspended from his high

1073
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: school football coaching why for providing impermissible benefits to players?

1074
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Okay now, and it was like, you know, reprimanded and

1075
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: thrown out right now. The Senate in Florida passed the

1076
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: bill that allows high school head coaches to use personal

1077
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: money personal funds to provide financial assistance to their players,

1078
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: so long as they report what they spend. Is that fair?

1079
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Then they go back to the twenty five twenty sixth season.

1080
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: In September, the Florida high school Athletic Associations spend the

1081
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater for benefits he gave Miami Northwestern High School

1082
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: football players in twenty twenty four. What were they? He

1083
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: said he spent seven hundred dollars a week, seven hundred

1084
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: bucks a week on Uber rides for his players and

1085
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: clothing and meals expenses to about twenty seven thousand dollars.

1086
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: I think he means well, I think it's an advantage.

1087
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I think kids are going to want to come there.

1088
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: Right now, with somewhat like open enrollment, kids could go

1089
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: to basically any school they want to. I don't think

1090
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: it's a good move. And now we all all of

1091
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: a sudden Florida Athletic saying that it could happen. I

1092
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: don't know if any coaches could afford that kind of

1093
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: a bill like Teddy Bridgewold.

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00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: It can No, I don't think most coaches can afford that.

1095
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: But that it's not the money spent it. I think

1096
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: it's more the principle behind it, right, It's the state

1097
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: is giving these coaches opportunities to help their players. You know, coaches,

1098
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: especially in the high school sense, right, you know, they're

1099
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: helping these players maybe get out of bad situations, maybe

1100
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: helping these players stay off the street, you know, or

1101
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: helping them getting from school to home and make sure

1102
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: that they're safe. It's all in my eyes, I think

1103
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: it's all for a good cause. It's it's good reason

1104
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: behind him. You know what Teddy Bridgewater was doing, he

1105
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: was doing for the betterment of that student athlete. But

1106
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: in the sense of not trying to you know, flex

1107
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but just in the sense that

1108
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: he's helping this player, he's helping this person. It goes

1109
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: beyond the field, it goes beyond on the sport. It's

1110
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: it's someone just doing something good for the community. And

1111
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: now he was getting a huge backlash for it, and

1112
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: I think everyone kind of looked at each other and said, well,

1113
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: wait a minute, he was actually doing something good for

1114
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: these kids. He was doing something good for the community,

1115
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: and they passed this bill in his name, which I

1116
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: think is pretty pretty cool, allowing other coaches the same

1117
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: opportunities if they can do it to help out their

1118
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: student athletes. I think it's a beautiful thing. Honestly, I

1119
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: think I think it's beautiful.

1120
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: I think he means well, he did it from the heart,

1121
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But I think it's wrong.

1122
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: I think it's wrong because it puts a lot of

1123
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: pressure on other coaches to do the same thing. I

1124
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: think kids are going to save today. Coach, you know

1125
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: I need I need a coach for winter. Well, obviously

1126
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need a coat in Florida

1127
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: for winter, but I need money to for lunch I

1128
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: need money for clothing, whatever it may be. And the

1129
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: and the kid and the coach will say, we don't

1130
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: do that. It's not you're not permissible. We can't do that.

1131
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: And they'll say, well, coach Bridge, what it did at

1132
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: his high school. I just don't think it's right. Now

1133
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: here's my question. Say I'm a math teacher at the

1134
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: same high school and I see a kid coming to

1135
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: school every single day with the same torn shirt, and

1136
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: I give that kid money to buy a shirt. Why

1137
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: would the high school math teacher not get in trouble.

1138
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: Why would the coach get in trouble. I don't understand.

1139
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: If it's good for goose, it's good for the gander.

1140
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's either yes for everybody or

1141
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: no for everybody. And I think that yes Bridgewater have

1142
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: meant well. I think the Florida Senate was wrong for

1143
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: doing this because I think that a coach's job is

1144
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: to teach how a kid could play the game, how

1145
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: the kid could mature, how we could grow up, not

1146
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: to be a bank or an ATM for a kid.

1147
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think it because they'll be taking advantage.

1148
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, well, I see that's where I disagree with you, Dad.

1149
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: I think that you know, in some instances, the coaches

1150
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: it's not a responsibility, but just the abilities of the

1151
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: coach can go beyond, you know, teaching the exit and

1152
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: notes of the game, building, you know, the character of

1153
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: the of the kid. It's also just making sure that

1154
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: the kid is able to go home safely, you know,

1155
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: having the kid paying for the uber ride so the

1156
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: kid can go home instead of walking the street, possibly

1157
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: through a bad neighborhood. I would be for that. I

1158
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: would support that, you know, or you know, if the

1159
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: kid has only two meals a day, you know, lunch,

1160
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't go home to a dinner because

1161
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: mom and dad work third shift, right, the kid still

1162
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: needs to eat. If the coach has the opportunity to

1163
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: help this kid out, why wouning you? I think it's

1164
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. And for you to say that the

1165
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: Senate shouldn't do it, I don't know that.

1166
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, like why is it the coach's responsibility?

1167
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: But I understand the coach sees the kid, probably more

1168
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: so than any other teacher, has more of a personal

1169
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: relationship with the kid than anybody else. But why wouldn't

1170
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: the math teacher or the social studies teacher. Do something

1171
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: like that, and I'll tell you what happened right now. Okay,

1172
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Bridge would have took the coaching job after announcing his

1173
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: retirement from the NFL in February of twenty twenty four.

1174
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: Then he led that Northwest into a flow to Class

1175
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: three A championship in his first and his only season

1176
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: as a head coach. His team went twelve and two.

1177
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: They went through the playoffs relative ease, leading to a

1178
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: selection as the Florida Dairy Farmer's Coach of the Year.

1179
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: All right, then he went back to the NFL, He

1180
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: came out of retirement, went to Tampa Bay Bucks. Is

1181
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: it backup? All right? What kind of pressure has he

1182
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: put on for the coach that follows him, Because the

1183
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: kids are gonna say, well, Coach Bridgewater took care of

1184
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: us for my bus fare, he drove me home, he

1185
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: gave me lunch money. I wouldn't want to follow Bridgewater

1186
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: the success he had on the field and also sticking

1187
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: my hand in my wallet for these kids.

1188
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's a good point. But I think you know,

1189
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: most kids understand that all the new coach you know

1190
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: at the Helm is not Teddy Bridgewater, a former NFL

1191
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: quarterback who's got deep pockets. You know, I think most

1192
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 2: kids are aware of that. But you kind of said

1193
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: something earlier, you think that he might be doing this

1194
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: as as a way to recruit players. I don't believe

1195
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: that that only I don't think that was Teddy's intention

1196
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: to pay just so he can recruit the players that

1197
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: he wants. That he's spending money, he's buying these kids

1198
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: closed shoes, food, whatever it may be. And certainly I

1199
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: don't think that's that's the intent of what the Florida

1200
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: Senate was thinking either.

1201
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Okay, not the intent intent, But work gets worre travels fast. Okay, look,

1202
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this assuming a little close to the

1203
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: home you played. Sports football is probably the biggest roster

1204
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: you've played on, right, be it in college and or

1205
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: in high school. Have you seen the coach in high

1206
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: school take his hand out of his pocket and do

1207
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: something to these kids? Did these kids need something? Did

1208
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: you hear stories like that? I mean I'm sure something

1209
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: like that, that story like that would travel pretty quickly

1210
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: around the locker room, anything like that at all.

1211
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't heard, but the kids on my

1212
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: team when I was playing, there was a wide there

1213
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: was a wide diversity, if you will, you know, there

1214
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: was kids who came from a lot of money. Can

1215
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: name a couple already and you'll think of them, not you,

1216
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: not me, not may. But then there was also a

1217
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: lot of kids that, you know, they didn't come from

1218
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and going to a public school,

1219
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: you kind of see, you know, both sides of the spectrum, right, so,

1220
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: you know, were their opportunities. The coach maybe helped those

1221
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: less fortunate.

1222
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. If they did, we'd never.

1223
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 2: Heard about it. They probably kept that behind closed doors.

1224
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: And you know, as a kid and in high school,

1225
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: what are you going to say, Oh, you know, coach

1226
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: so and so helped me, you know, by my buy

1227
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: my dinner the other night. I don't know, that's it's

1228
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: not a brag, you know. I mean, it's it's kind

1229
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: of like a yeah, you kids don't talk about that

1230
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

1231
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: All right. We finished that, we kind of agree to

1232
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: disagree in this situation. And again, I don't want to

1233
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: be the coach following a Bridgewater at that school in Florida,

1234
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why the descentate would pass something

1235
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: like that. I just don't think. I mean, I've seen

1236
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: coaches get in trouble for giving a kid a ride

1237
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: home from school, not even coaches teachers, right, It's just

1238
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: it's not I don't know. I think that there should

1239
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: be a separation between coaches, teachers and students. I just

1240
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: this might take and I don't think it's the coach's

1241
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: job and do a teacher's job to kind of pay

1242
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: for uber rides or it's great, it's a great situation

1243
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: if you have a coach that would do that, But

1244
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's their job to do it. Okay,

1245
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: But now that we've fixed high school coaching and we

1246
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: know what we have to do, at least you did. Okay,

1247
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: let's see about the NFL and we talk about success

1248
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: in our life. Let's talk about teams that didn't make

1249
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. Because you and I are a

1250
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: big Cincinnati Bengal fans and they didn't make the playoffs

1251
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: for the third consecutive year. So what are some of

1252
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: these teams need to do for a rebound maybe to

1253
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: get back in the mix, to get into the playoffs

1254
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of fixing that they need. And I'm going to

1255
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: throw some names out there. They're different teams if you want,

1256
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and you tell me what they need to do, so

1257
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: maybe they can and we'll get back in the playoffs.

1258
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: So let's start with your Cincinnati Bengals.

1259
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot that Cincinnati Bengals need

1260
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: to look underneath the hook for Even before last year,

1261
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: they finalized that deal with Higgins, and everyone was so

1262
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: great that we were able to retain them. But then

1263
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: the conversation started having, well, what are we going to

1264
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: do about our defense. We spend all of our money

1265
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: on the top three players, Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. Where

1266
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: are we going to get our defensive players? We were

1267
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: ran out of money, Dad, Well, that's exactly what we thought,

1268
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: you know. And my thinking was, well, we can score

1269
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: all the points in the world. We can score all

1270
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: the points in the world, but the other team they're

1271
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: going to score just as much because guess what, we

1272
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: don't have a defense. So that's what the Cincinnati Bengals

1273
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: need to do. First, they need to spend some money

1274
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: on defense. We need to get an edge Rudger as

1275
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: ed rusher, and we need to build out our cornerback

1276
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: and safeties and build our defense. So we can play

1277
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: what we call complimentary football, right, A strong offense, a

1278
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: strong defense that compliments each other. Right, we want to

1279
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: be dominant on both sides of the ball. We're only

1280
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: dominated on one side of the ball. That's for the Bengals' defense.

1281
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: That's what we need to begin.

1282
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: I realized this scoring points in offense is sexy, and

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: that's what sales tickets. And everybody loves Joe Burrow and

1284
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: you want to see him stay healthy. And Higgins and

1285
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: Chase maybe the best one to two punch receiving wise

1286
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: in the national football lage. But if we learn anything

1287
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: at all by watching the playoffs this year, the playoffs

1288
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: were dominated by defense. I mean, look, I mean and

1289
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: obviously some of those games were ugly, because watching a

1290
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: defensive struggle is an ugly thing to watch. The New

1291
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: England Patriots, the Seattle Seahawks, great defensive ball clubs ugly

1292
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: games to watch. But that's how they got where they were.

1293
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: That's their success was on defense.

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00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, certainly it's always the old saying that,

1295
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, defenses win championships. And with the Super Bowl,

1296
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: it was such a low scoring game, it wasn't really

1297
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: all that exciting in your word sexy, but Seattle, their

1298
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: defense was just unstoppable. It was like a wall that

1299
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots just couldn't climb over or even crack through.

1300
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: So certainly for the Bengals, it's building the defense, it's

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: having the defense that can mimic Seattle. But what other

1302
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: teams did you have in mind?

1303
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: Well, I want to stay in the same division. Go

1304
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: see that bothall Ravens got a new coach and we'll

1305
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: see what he could do. And what did the Ravens

1306
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: need to do because they kind of just missed the playoffs.

1307
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed the playoffs. And you know, some people

1308
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: might be saying it's it's more about the interior offensive line. Man,

1309
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: I think let's take a little bit of a step

1310
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: back and let's just look at the offensive as a whole.

1311
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: I think that I think the Ravens need to decide

1312
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: what kind of offense they want. Are they going to

1313
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: have an offense Dad that Lamar Jackson is going to

1314
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: run and be a part of the offense or not?

1315
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: And then give it to your running back and den

1316
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. All year long, I'm watching the Ravens and

1317
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, why are they not giving the ball to Henry.

1318
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: You have one of the strongest running backs that's dominant

1319
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: on the field. As soon as he breaks, no one

1320
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: can catch him. Just give him the ball. But they

1321
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: just seem to to have other ideas. And for the Ravens,

1322
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: I think it's just deciding what kind of offense that

1323
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: they want to have for next year. That's that might

1324
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Speaker 2: be they're step one.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm really impressed you. Jesse Mitt, the new

1326
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: head coach at the Baltimore Ravens, and he played at

1327
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Speaker 1: Mount Saint Joe. That's amazing, isn't He played Mount Saint

1328
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: Joe here in Cincinnati and his daddy, Rickmith, they used

1329
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: to coach at Cincinnati. He's going to be on the

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Speaker 1: staff as well. And you talk about Lamar Jackson. You

1331
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: went to school with Lamar Jackson at Louisville. Yeah.

1332
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he was my room.

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: No he was not. No, No, he wasn't.

1334
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 4: No.

1335
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Speaker 2: I went to school with Lamar Jackson. And you know,

1336
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: so what I'm trying to say is, you know, he

1337
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: went to class, he was a good student. No, but

1338
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: he was a great college quarterback because he ran the ball.

1339
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: He was so loose.

1340
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: They let him do the offense. And you know, when

1341
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: he came to the NFL, they restricted his legs. They

1342
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: didn't like him outside of the pocket. They didn't like

1343
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: him running. But then the year after Dad, or a

1344
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: couple of years that they let him run the offense.

1345
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: They let him use his legs, and he's so dominant,

1346
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: he's so powerful. I think I feel like last year

1347
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: they kind of restricted him again. He was injured a

1348
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, for part of the season two,

1349
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: but they restricted him again. I think they just got

1350
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: to let him, let loose and let Lamar do Lamar

1351
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: and also give the ball to your to your running back.

1352
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: All right, He's Alex Ferman in for Bucky Brooks and

1353
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,240
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1354
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,480
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1355
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,480
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1356
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01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,680
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01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,720
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1359
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: By the way, we're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports

1360
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Radio Studios. Now we have the Blame Game at the

1361
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: end of this hour, but right now they might move.

1362
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: So what's the big deal? Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

1363
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, it's the MVP. We'll explain that in just

1364
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: about a minute. He's Alex Ferman in for Bucky Brooks.

1365
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm Indy Fermanent. You know what. We're live from the

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio studio. And of course, if you missed

1367
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: any of today's show, you're gonna want to catch the podcast.

1368
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,560
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1369
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,640
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01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,600
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1373
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,160
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1374
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: show posted right after we get off the air. And

1375
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: we have the blame game coming up in about ten

1376
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: or twelve minutes from now. Now, here's the deal. This

1377
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: happened the other day and everybody's going bonkers over it. Indiana,

1378
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. I love Indiana. Indiana passes it

1379
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: bill to lure the Chicago Bears away from Chicago. Is

1380
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: it a big deal? If so? Why our history? Obviously,

1381
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: because Chicago is a charter member of the NFL. But

1382
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: the Bears moving to a new stadium in northwest Indiana. Hey,

1383
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Giants play their games in New Jersey,

1384
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: so the Bears will play their games in Indiana. It's

1385
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: no big deal, or is it? And I like to

1386
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: know how many Bears fans are there in fact in Indiana. Well,

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: I understand now is going to be a dome stadium

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: and the stadium is only going to be twenty five

1389
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: minutes from Soldier Field with a dome. All right, is

1390
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: it a big deal? Alex telling me no, I.

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: Don't think it's a big deal at all, and absolutely

1392
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: love it. You know, it's a charter program and they've

1393
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: had they were playing at Soldier Field for such a

1394
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: long time, but time evolves and building a new stadium,

1395
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, you think about all the other opportunities that

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: this gives the the venue, right, concerts being domed, they

1397
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: can be you know, they can hold Super Bowl games there.

1398
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of opportunities there and I

1399
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: love it. And also it increases the fan experience, gives

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: them a new experience for the Bears games.

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So, now, if you're a collector of memorabilia. And

1402
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: you have a Chicago Bear helmet with the sea, you

1403
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: better hold on to it and maybe worth something. And

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01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: I guess if I'm the Indianapolis Colts, I'm not too

1405
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: thrilled with having another team in my state. However, I

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: guess they'll still be called the Chicago Bears were playing Indiana.

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: So what am I saying? They still have the same helmets,

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: same Okay, So I'm wrong on that, all right. I've

1409
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. Okay, But the

1410
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: New York Jets play in New Jersey. The New York

1411
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Giants play in New Jersey. Right, so it's it's commonplace.

1412
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: It happens all the time, right, all right, no big

1413
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's no big deal, dad. And you know there's still

1415
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: going to be the Chicago Bears. And it's just you know,

1416
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: kind of like Cincinnati to where we live. You know,

1417
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: they're going to be right across the river and in

1418
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: this case, still gonna be right across the state lines.

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Speaker 1: All right, sounds good? Okay, now you clear that up.

1420
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Speaker 1: But we talk about MVP all the time. MVP obviously

1421
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: stands the most viable player, but in reality, at least

1422
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL, the most viable player is the most

1423
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: viable position. So to me, MVP is most viable position,

1424
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: and obviously it's quarterback. Is the quarterback the most viable

1425
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: position in your mind in all sports?

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Speaker 2: In all sports, you know, I would I would argue yes,

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Speaker 2: and I think the reason being is that the quarterback

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Speaker 2: is has the most influence to the game. Right and

1429
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: think about that. So in the sense of football, you know,

1430
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: they read the defense, they can switch up the play,

1431
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: they throw the ball, they pass the ball, they do

1432
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: everything like that. They're they're essentially, you know, the start

1433
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: of every play for football. But they I think in

1434
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: all sports, thinking of all sports, that they have the

1435
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Speaker 2: most influenced. It's kind of the same with a pitcher

1436
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: on the baseball team. The pitcher has the most influence

1437
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: on how that game is going to go about. But

1438
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Speaker 2: with the quarterback, I think the pressure is even more.

1439
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: They have even a greater influence. So I would say.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback, Okay, I would say the quarterback is the most

1441
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: popular position, most publicized position. It's the position gets the

1442
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 1: most awards when you get an MVP. It's always most

1443
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: of the time anyway, it's the quarterback. That's all people

1444
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: talk about. What I don't like is the fact that

1445
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: when Team A plays Team B, they'll put the quarterbacks

1446
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: record on the screen on the TV, saying such and

1447
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: such as eight and four against this team. Well, no,

1448
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: it's a team game. It's not the quarterbacks game. Okay.

1449
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: And if you look at the Super Bowl this year,

1450
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: you had Drake may not really a franchise quarterback yet

1451
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: he might be with New England and a cast off

1452
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Right, these weren't franchise quarterbacks. So I wouldn't

1453
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: say they're the most viable. I wouldn't say they're the

1454
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks in the league. Maybe the most viable on them. No,

1455
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: it was the defense that I wanted. So you know,

1456
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it that the quarterback is

1457
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: the most popular position, most valuable. Perhaps what about a

1458
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: goalkeeper in soccer. I don't know. I'm just trying to

1459
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: picture a pitcher in baseball, but still and all you

1460
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: need fourth good starting pitchers, maybe five in Major League baseball.

1461
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what is the most important, most

1462
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: valuable MVP, most valuable position in sports today? And maybe

1463
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: by default that may just be the quarterback.

1464
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's a quarterback just in the

1465
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: sense that I mean they are the most publicized one.

1466
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: They're they're in the media, their front page, and you know,

1467
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: if the team's loses or loss, the quarterbacks always to blame. Well,

1468
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback didn't you know, throw this pass, or he

1469
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: threw an interception, or he he left this guy wide

1470
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: open and could have been gone for a touchdown or whatever. Sense.

1471
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: But no, I think to my to my point, I

1472
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: think they're they have the most influence on the game.

1473
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: You talk about two single people on a field, I'm

1474
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: talking about the two different quarterbacks on the team. They

1475
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: have the most influence on how that game is going

1476
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: to go out.

1477
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, to me that the quarterbacks almost like the coach

1478
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: on the field, I mean calling the plays or maybe

1479
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: the list meant changing the place he may be. Look,

1480
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: you tell a valuable I mean you hit on something

1481
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: right there. You know you could blame it on the

1482
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: on the quarterback. Let's look at Buffalo. You know Josh Allen.

1483
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: He might be the reason why they get to the playoffs,

1484
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: but certainly he was the reason this year why they

1485
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't advance in the playoffs. Just to what it is,

1486
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean the responsibility is on that h H. If

1487
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 1: you with to put a goats cap on someone for

1488
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: that team this year, I guess he would win a

1489
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: goats cap.

1490
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah he would. And you know, in the sense of

1491
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know he's been wearing that cap for

1492
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: a long time.

1493
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: But I so of you.

1494
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,959
Speaker 2: But I think for you know, for just Josh Allen specifically,

1495
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: I think he just needs a little bit more around

1496
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: him to help him out to progress and to get

1497
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: to that to that final game there. But you know,

1498
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 2: the quarterback too also is one of the smartest players

1499
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: in all of sports. And think about that, Dad. You know,

1500
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 2: you have to be a smart baseball player, you know,

1501
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: to know the rules and try to play the best weekend,

1502
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: But you have to be a smart quarterback to be

1503
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: able to read and identify a defense and whether they

1504
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,879
Speaker 2: have thirty seconds between every snap. In the ten seconds

1505
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: they have to line up and snap the ball, the

1506
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: quarterback has to read the defense, know where the linebackers

1507
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: are sitting or or how the quarterbacks are are sitting

1508
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: on their receivers and then adjust in a second and

1509
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 2: then hike the ball and make the play right. So

1510
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: you talk about the most valuable I think they're also

1511
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: probably the most educated.

1512
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: Right and for years, and I hate to go down

1513
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: this road, but you know it is black history mob.

1514
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: But for years, people in the National Football League thought

1515
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: that African American players were not quote smart enough to

1516
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: play quarterback. Really, that was the saying back in the day.

1517
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: All right, we'll leave that for another day another time.

1518
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: Put that locked it up in the closet. But we

1519
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: move on here. It hurts me to see a guy

1520
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow, who I think is a tremendous quarterback.

1521
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Burrow, surrounded by better defense, could

1522
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: be viewed as the best quarterback in the National Football

1523
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: Like right now if it stays healthy. And it must

1524
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: be so frustrating for him with the skill set that

1525
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: he has, the offensive that he has, and he not

1526
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: only doesn't get winning the player, he can't get to

1527
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: the freaking playoffs three years in a row, right, he

1528
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: can't get to the playoffs. I mean, how frustrating must

1529
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: that be? And he keeps the lip quiet, doesn't go publicly.

1530
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's told people about that, how upset he is,

1531
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: but you know there'd be other people spouting off about that.

1532
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: And he's really been somewhat of a true probe. I'm

1533
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 1: not commenting on that.

1534
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, we don't know what Joe Burrow's thinking, but

1535
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 2: certainly someone can think all he probably feels this way sometimes.

1536
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about in the sense that you know,

1537
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow right now is in the prime of his life.

1538
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 2: He is in the prime of his career, his athletic career.

1539
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: So are you. But he can't get to the super Bowl.

1540
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 2: He can't get past he can't give into the playoffs.

1541
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: How frustrating is that? Right? Everyone knows how great Joe

1542
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,919
Speaker 2: Burrow is, and when you all these other sports analysts

1543
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 2: when they talk about, you know, the best quarterbacks in

1544
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: the league, Joe Burrow is always in the conversation, but

1545
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 2: he's not making the playoffs. And it has to be

1546
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 2: so frustrating to Joe Burrow because he knows as as

1547
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: every year goes on, he's dwindling, he's getting slower, he's

1548
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: getting weaker, he's getting older. He's losing that one extra

1549
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: chance that he could have made it to the super

1550
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: Bowl and be a super Bowl winning quarterback. And at

1551
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: one point, and I kind of I remember talking to

1552
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 2: Bucket about this when when I filled in for you.

1553
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: At what point is Joe Burrow going to go to

1554
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals and say, trade me, move me somewhere else.

1555
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 2: I want to go to a team that I know

1556
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to win, and I know I'm going to

1557
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 2: make it to the super Bowl, or I have a

1558
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: better shot at making it to the super Bowl and

1559
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: be the quarterback that everyone says that I am. I

1560
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: feel like it's coming. It might be coming soon.

1561
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: Deb Now, you asked that the bucket. What did Bucky

1562
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: say about that?

1563
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: Well, I he kind of he kind of understood where

1564
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: I was coming from. And I don't think, you know,

1565
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Burrow really wants to do that.

1566
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: I think he's dedicated to the Bengals organization. He's an

1567
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: Ohio guy. He's dedicated to the Bengals organization. He wants

1568
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: to win here at the Bengals and that's why he's been,

1569
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, instructure in his contract to try to move

1570
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: some money towards you know, other players like Higgins and

1571
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: Chase and try to retain that talent. But at the

1572
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: end of the day, he's not getting younger dad, He's not.

1573
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: He's not He's getting older and his time is taken away,

1574
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: And how many more chances are we going to have

1575
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow to get through the super Bowl. It's

1576
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: it's it's dwindling down.

1577
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: Okay, you bring up a good point. How many more chances?

1578
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: So you know, you've done a lot of research, You're

1579
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: you're a football nut. You you got the listing of

1580
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: the best maybe quarterbacks coming in this year twenty twenty

1581
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: six on the college scene. So in case Joe Burrow

1582
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: should decide to jump ship and maybe the Bengals trade him,

1583
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they will, And there's a draft pick involved,

1584
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: maybe there's quarterbacks out there that they can fill in here,

1585
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: and you've got kind of a list of, you know,

1586
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: early on who might be the better quarterack to play

1587
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: this year in college and uh, you know, I want

1588
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say about that.

1589
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple quarterbacks that that that kind

1590
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: of come to mind right off the top of my head.

1591
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: One is job Johh Hoover, who is who's over at

1592
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: Indiana nout but he was a multi year starter over

1593
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: at TCU, had a great career at TCU. But he

1594
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,520
Speaker 2: has some big shoes to fill in with Kurt Signetti

1595
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: in the Indian the program another.

1596
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: Quarterback that Wait a minute, I mean I wonder how

1597
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: much this kid Hoover's getting paid. That's number one, all right.

1598
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: Number two, you mentioned our good friend Kurt Signetti, the

1599
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: head coach at Indiana who went undefeated toc won the

1600
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: national championship. It was great, but he just got a

1601
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: new contract getting it's still like thirteen million year. I mean,

1602
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: really thirteen million dollars. I mean, he's making every coach

1603
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: in America a look like a fool that coaches college

1604
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: football because he came in there at a program that

1605
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: couldn't win, never won, you know, to a bunch of

1606
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: ragamuffins from James Madison University, turned it around and just

1607
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: did what he had to do and they went undefeated.

1608
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean what kind of pressure did he put on

1609
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: other colleges with that?

1610
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt Well certainly that think about like a

1611
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, like the coach from Washington who went

1612
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: to Alabama. I mean that's he went to a great

1613
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: program and went to a great program still can't win.

1614
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: He came from James Madison and in two years brought

1615
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: Indiana to the national championship game, and you know it's

1616
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: it kind of goes to show you it doesn't matter

1617
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: what program you come from. It's the guy that you

1618
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 2: recruit is the guy you know running the show. Another

1619
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 2: quarterback and you're going back to the topic. And another

1620
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: quarterback I'm thinking of is Archie Manning, you know over

1621
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: there Texas. He kind of had a bad year, but

1622
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's going to bounce back. He has more

1623
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: time underneath his belt. I expect some pretty good things

1624
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: out of him this year.

1625
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: Okay, no doubt about that. We'll continue with that. But

1626
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: he's Alex Ferman. And for Bucky Brooks, I'm Andy Ferman.

1627
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody, I mean, I don't care

1628
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: who you want. Everybody loves to point fingers. We do too.

1629
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm're going to do with the playing game, because the

1630
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: playing game is. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

1631
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,880
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1632
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1633
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: search FSR to listen live. All right, the blame game

1634
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: coming right up. It's about eleven minutes before the top

1635
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: of the hour. That would be eight o'clock on the

1636
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: East Coast and at the top of the hour, you

1637
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: have Mike Harmon and Jared Smith right here on Fox

1638
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. He's Alex fermaninf for Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman,

1639
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: and we're alive from the Fox Sports Radio studios. But

1640
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: right now, right now, right this second, it's time for

1641
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: the blame game.

1642
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: You ruin me.

1643
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: It's all your fault, it's your fault.

1644
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: This is all your fault.

1645
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it's everyone's fault. Who knows the liar.

1646
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: That's why there's the blame game, the blame game.

1647
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Let's figure out who to blame. Alright, all right, be

1648
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: you ready, I'm ready.

1649
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 5: I'm ready to go.

1650
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: Let's see how good this kid could do here.

1651
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 5: Let's do it. Miami. You now, twenty seven to zero basketball. Yes,

1652
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 5: you can win in a mid major, But do they

1653
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 5: need to win out and their tournament for a postseason bid?

1654
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 5: Who do you blame? They probably do need to win out.

1655
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: Because yeah, no doubt, they need to win out and

1656
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: they need to win the MAC Tournament. I think I

1657
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: think it's a kind of a crapshoot that they don't.

1658
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: They're not getting much respect just because they're in the

1659
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 2: MAC Conference. Twenty seven to oh is a fairly impressive record,

1660
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: regardless of what conference you're in. Twenty seven and.

1661
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, that's ridiculous. They don't have to

1662
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: win out you're twenty seven and oh and Joe Lonardi,

1663
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: who's like the dean of putting these things together on

1664
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: the on the brackets, he has the Miami as an

1665
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: at large. So what he basically is saying is that

1666
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: they probably will lose a game before the season's over.

1667
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: They got four games remaining. I don't think they're gonna

1668
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: be thirty one and ohero, but maybe they will. But

1669
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,839
Speaker 1: they may even lose a game in the MAC tournament.

1670
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: How could you keep a team like that out? How

1671
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: do you keep a team like that out? You know

1672
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: they're gonna put a team in there, maybe in fact,

1673
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: with a losing record. I've saw a team in the

1674
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: in with the conference at Northern Kentucky University is a horizon,

1675
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: the horiton University of Milwaukee. Years ago, they came in,

1676
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,839
Speaker 1: they won their tournament, and they went to the NCAA

1677
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: with a losing record. Miami is going to season and

1678
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: the story.

1679
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 5: And next also, you got to think they're trying to

1680
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 5: put Auburn in the tournament like fifteen and fourteen. They're

1681
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 5: gonna do everything in their power to try and put

1682
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 5: an SEC team in. And I wanted to ask you

1683
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 5: guys one more question on this. How high of a

1684
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 5: seed do you think they get really quick if they

1685
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 5: end up going inevitably undefeated and win the tournament. Let's

1686
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 5: say thirty four to thirty five and.

1687
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: H yeah, I think ninth. Yeah, I think they'll nineteen,

1688
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: I think, or maybe even higher.

1689
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean eighth or ninth.

1690
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I

1691
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 5: think I think I would consider him at seven. But

1692
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 5: that's just me. The Bears are looking to move.

1693
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: I worry about that Miami team. I love them, I

1694
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: love watching them. I saw the game a week ago Friday,

1695
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: was on TV. I fear that some of those players

1696
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 1: are going to be gobbled up by bigger programs with someoney.

1697
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: I hope not. You know, Miami's a great place. Oxford, Ohio,

1698
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: wonderful campus, great education, But then again, money talks, so

1699
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.

1700
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 5: I agree the Bears are looking to move to Indiana.

1701
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 5: If so, who would you blame in this situation?

1702
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: You know, I I blame the Chicago weather how come

1703
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: he has the snow all the time. What's with all

1704
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: what's with all that wind coming off the lake? No

1705
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: wonder they want to move, No wonder they want to

1706
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: build a dome stadium. It's the it's the worst weather.

1707
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: Oh, you got to blame the politicians, stick to hand

1708
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: in the pocket. You don't understand what a team means

1709
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 1: to a city. A team means visibility, economic growth, restaurants, hotels.

1710
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: You let a team like that go an NFL team,

1711
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: Shame on you. Shame on you, Chicago to let them

1712
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: go anywhere, especially next door to Indiana, Shame on you.

1713
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 5: I want to ask this one next because I'm interested.

1714
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 5: I know there's one pivotal guy that people are going

1715
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 5: to blame here, but I want to know if you

1716
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 5: guys blame anybody else. NBA has a tanking problem. Who

1717
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 5: do you blame? And not just Adam Silver?

1718
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: I don't know who do you blame?

1719
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: That's what I understand.

1720
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, I know the game.

1721
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: I think I just blame the way that everything's all

1722
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: set up. I think there's they're they're promoting, you know,

1723
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: losing to to better yourself, and I think it's just

1724
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 2: I think it's just a crap shitt. I honestly, I

1725
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: blame the players were agreeing to tank. As a as

1726
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: a player, as a professional athlete, you're training, you want

1727
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 2: to win, and these players they just seem not to care.

1728
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 2: They just they still get a paycheck.

1729
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: You know what, That's a good point because I watched

1730
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: the Old Star Game this year and I saw some

1731
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: of the players, the young players that the coup of

1732
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: Flags of the World they put out. They played hard,

1733
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: they really did. But you know what, really easy to

1734
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: blame Adam Silver, and that's a cop out. I'm gonna

1735
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: blame basically the fans. Because the fans demand winning so much,

1736
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: the teams will do anything they can to stretch what's legal,

1737
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: what's right, to try to win, and they'll do that

1738
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 1: by tanking. And I think it's disgusting, I really do.

1739
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: I think the gambling, I mean, the gambling is worse

1740
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: the officiating that guys were on the take. I think

1741
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: the officiating was bad, but tanking is right up there.

1742
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: But the gambling, I'm throwing games is worse. But really

1743
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: and truly you're throwing games anyway, so it's just bad.

1744
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: But don't blame Adam still there's everybody else list. That's

1745
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: a cop out.

1746
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I blame Kawhi Leonard two for load managing starting that.

1747
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

1748
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 5: That's it. That's all the time we have today on

1749
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 5: the blame game.

1750
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: Really, it's time to go. We thank you so much, Alex.

1751
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: Has been a pleasure to see you again about six months.

1752
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Dad, I'll wait for six months. I'll see

1753
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: it maybe next Christmas. If I get a call, I

1754
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: see it. Dent this morning you Mike Harmon next right

1755
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: here on Fox