Speaker 1: You and Me Both is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm Hillary Clinton, and this is You and Me Both,
Speaker 1: as we finally seem to be getting a much needed
Speaker 1: reprieve from the COVID nineteen pandemic. I think we owe
Speaker 1: it to ourselves to try to find opportunities coming out
Speaker 1: of this really difficult period and maybe try doing some
Speaker 1: things differently in our own lives, in our families, our communities,
Speaker 1: and certainly in government, trying to figure out how better
Speaker 1: to actually serve and help people. That's why on this
Speaker 1: week's episode, I'm delighted to be speaking with two brand
Speaker 1: new mayors there on the front lines, trying to take
Speaker 1: on this moment of opportunity with vision, determination, and dare
Speaker 1: I say, uh, some swagger too. Later we'll hear from
Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams, a former police off sir and state
Speaker 1: senator who's working to improve the quality of life for
Speaker 1: everyone in New York City. But first I'm talking with
Speaker 1: Boston Mayor Michelle Wou. Mayor Wu broke a lot of
Speaker 1: glass ceilings when she was elected as the first woman,
Speaker 1: the first Asian American, the first mom to be mayor
Speaker 1: of one of America's greatest and oldest cities Boston. Her
Speaker 1: path into politics has not been a straight line, something
Speaker 1: I can relate to. After graduating from Harvard, she returned
Speaker 1: home to Illinois to help her family care for her mom,
Speaker 1: who was struggling with undiagnosed late onset schizophrenia. A few
Speaker 1: years later, Michelle went back to Boston, went to law school,
Speaker 1: won a seat on the city Council, and started her family.
Speaker 1: Since taking office as mayor in November, Michelle has pursued
Speaker 1: bold policies around climate change, public transportation, and a vaccine
Speaker 1: mandate that surprise got her into hot water with some
Speaker 1: of her constituents. Hi, Mayor, how are you. Hi'm out
Speaker 1: of secretary. I'm so excited to see you. I am
Speaker 1: equally excited to see you. So let's just jump right
Speaker 1: into it. Welcome to the show, Michelle. So, how have
Speaker 1: the first months as mayor been for you? It's been
Speaker 1: quite thrilling to be in this role, to have been
Speaker 1: thinking about issues for so long on the city Council
Speaker 1: and organizing and working with community, and now to have
Speaker 1: a moment where we can just roll up our sleeves
Speaker 1: and get in there. It's certainly been quite intense as well.
Speaker 1: As it's felt like guidance from all different levels of
Speaker 1: government on COVID changes week by week, and we're in
Speaker 1: a time of such division still and deep emotion and
Speaker 1: deep misinformation that is spilling over even to the most
Speaker 1: local and grassroots interactions between our residents. Was there anything
Speaker 1: that surprised you. I know, you've been on the city council,
Speaker 1: You've been an activist and an organizer that once you
Speaker 1: actually were in that office, you went, oh, wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I really am surprised by that. You know, Boston is
Speaker 1: such an incredible city. We are surrounded by resources, and
Speaker 1: oftentimes people think of that in terms of large institutions,
Speaker 1: whether it's a hospital sector, that universities, life sciences, which
Speaker 1: helped lead the way out of this pandemic. I would
Speaker 1: say that in addition to all of that, one of
Speaker 1: our most potent resources is the activism from our residents.
Speaker 1: Right this is where town meeting was born, the founding
Speaker 1: of our democracy. I will put our residents up as
Speaker 1: more engaged than anywhere. I mean, in one small neighborhood
Speaker 1: you can find twenty blood neighborhood associations. And what that
Speaker 1: has meant in this role is that at a time
Speaker 1: when so much is happening and people are trying to
Speaker 1: stay connected and trying to still be engaged even though
Speaker 1: we're physically not in person. The back and forth through
Speaker 1: the media is very, very important, but it can be
Speaker 1: very distorting as well, and so more than ever, getting
Speaker 1: the chance to get directly to people through social media
Speaker 1: through podcasts is a really important supplement to how people
Speaker 1: understand and take in information in order to be engaged
Speaker 1: and be active. I think that's a very smart observation.
Speaker 1: And you know that point about all of the activity
Speaker 1: in the midst of a information ecosystem that is more
Speaker 1: difficult to manage and even break through, I think is
Speaker 1: especially important. You know, you're not new to politics, but
Speaker 1: you are someone who had a different path way, a
Speaker 1: different journey to deciding to run for your first office
Speaker 1: on city council and then to run for mayor. I
Speaker 1: know you grew up in Chicago. What did you think
Speaker 1: you'd be when you grew up back in those days?
Speaker 1: You know I was. I was talking about this recently
Speaker 1: with some friends, and to be completely honest, I always
Speaker 1: expected that I would be a stay at home mom.
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest of four kids, I come from an
Speaker 1: immigrant family. My parents culture was very traditional. My mom
Speaker 1: was so talented, and I think was on track to
Speaker 1: be a professional singer in Taiwan had she not immigrated
Speaker 1: to this country with my father, And she gave up
Speaker 1: a whole career to take care of kids, and and
Speaker 1: that was the expectation growing up. And so I had
Speaker 1: the opportunity of a lifetime to come to the Boston
Speaker 1: area when I got that scholarship to Harvard, But still
Speaker 1: in some ways was never thinking that far ahead and
Speaker 1: never saw people who looked like me in positions of
Speaker 1: power or in politics. Had never met a politician by
Speaker 1: the time I got to college. One of the moments
Speaker 1: that I still cringe out a little bit. I remember
Speaker 1: my very first my first couple of months at Harvard,
Speaker 1: the Institute of Politics was hosting their welcome session for
Speaker 1: new members of Congress, and because my home district was
Speaker 1: one where there was a new member, I was invited
Speaker 1: to go as one of the students to be sitting
Speaker 1: in the room. It ended up at that dinner that
Speaker 1: that congress person didn't end up coming, so I was
Speaker 1: just sitting by myself the whole time, and found myself
Speaker 1: next this very nice woman at dinner who when I
Speaker 1: asked what she did, she said she was a historian,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, you know, and I can't even
Speaker 1: meet a member of Congress I did. All I get
Speaker 1: to do is talk to the the only other person
Speaker 1: here who's not in politics. And then the speaking program started,
Speaker 1: and she was, of course the keynote speaker, Doris Kurrent's Goodwin,
Speaker 1: who had no idea who she was anything like that.
Speaker 1: And so it's been a wild journey for me unexpectedly
Speaker 1: into government, into public service, and for the chance to
Speaker 1: try to shape our communities from someone who understands what
Speaker 1: it's like from the outside the other thing you understand.
Speaker 1: And I do want to mention this, as you describe
Speaker 1: on your campaign website, your mom began struggling with mental
Speaker 1: illness as you were finishing college, and you became her caregiver.
Speaker 1: And through your family's struggle, you really saw how hard
Speaker 1: it was to you know, keep it together, to find care.
Speaker 1: And so could you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: There's truly no way I would be where I am
Speaker 1: now in a position in government had it not been
Speaker 1: for my family's journey and for my mom's experience with
Speaker 1: mental illness and hospital systems and the many, many barriers
Speaker 1: that it felt like our family was always facing in
Speaker 1: the moments of greatest need. What I've realized is that
Speaker 1: not only is this such a common experience to be
Speaker 1: living in a family where there is such sometimes terror
Speaker 1: and stress and shame about what is going on, but
Speaker 1: it's just as common to then feel like you can't
Speaker 1: reach out for help. Coming from an immigrant family with
Speaker 1: language barriers, it just felt like the systems, the very
Speaker 1: places where we were supposed to be able to go
Speaker 1: to get help. Right that moment when I was finally
Speaker 1: able to trick my mom into getting health care because
Speaker 1: she was so insistent on not acknowledging it, not speaking
Speaker 1: about it, and the impacts on on her not eating,
Speaker 1: not sleeping, the intense delusions and paranoia, and and just
Speaker 1: a strong, strong refusal even to admit something was wrong,
Speaker 1: much less seek treatment. When we finally got to that
Speaker 1: point in a hospital setting, in the emergency room, it
Speaker 1: turned out to be the most humanizing experience of all,
Speaker 1: And so in some ways that still drives me and
Speaker 1: what I do every day of realizing how much it
Speaker 1: matters when government works, but especially when government doesn't work
Speaker 1: for people, and the ways in which all the programming grew,
Speaker 1: create all the funding we put to this, all the
Speaker 1: systems were building. If it's not actually meeting people where
Speaker 1: they are in those moments, then we aren't delivering the
Speaker 1: impact that we could. Oh, I am so grateful for
Speaker 1: you sharing your insights and your experience, and you know, honestly, Michelle,
Speaker 1: we are still woefully failing at mental health and the
Speaker 1: full gamut of mental health. I appreciated so much former
Speaker 1: Mayor Walsh of Boston being open about his struggle with
Speaker 1: alcoholism and addiction, and so I think it's important for
Speaker 1: leaders to speak out because there still is aigma. There
Speaker 1: still is shame. So anything that you do, I think
Speaker 1: adds to the conversation helps to diminish the stigma. And
Speaker 1: then you're now in a position where maybe with all
Speaker 1: the resources that are in Boston for health care of
Speaker 1: all kinds, there could be some you know, improvements made.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that. It does feel like from
Speaker 1: everything that we see throughout this pandemic, that mental health
Speaker 1: will continue to be the epidemic that even after COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen recedes knock on Wood, we see it in the
Speaker 1: crisis calls coming into the Boston Police just the intensity
Speaker 1: of mental illness ratchet it up. We hear it from
Speaker 1: our school nurses who are reporting that more than ever,
Speaker 1: our young people and students need the supports. We hear
Speaker 1: it from our providers working with seniors who have faced
Speaker 1: such grief and isolation. And it's quantifiable the impact of stigma.
Speaker 1: One researcher was telling me that if you measure life
Speaker 1: expectancy across nearly every type of gap that exists, things
Speaker 1: have gotten better and they've narrowed over the last two decades.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are still stark disparities by race, by
Speaker 1: income that we need to continue to narrow. The one
Speaker 1: place where the gap has been consistent and has not
Speaker 1: narrowed over the last twenty years is there's a difference
Speaker 1: in life expectancy between individuals living with schizophrenia and without.
Speaker 1: And that's what your mother was diagnosed with, wasn't she.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how challenging it is to
Speaker 1: be a leader right now, a mayor in particular, because
Speaker 1: we are still coping with a global pandemic. You know,
Speaker 1: it's easy to understand why people are living with this
Speaker 1: long tail of COVID because small businesses were closed, schools
Speaker 1: were closed. Now we're coming out of it, we see
Speaker 1: an increase in violent crime in many parts of the country.
Speaker 1: We see an increase in mental health reports. So what
Speaker 1: is Austin facing right now? I know you you've been
Speaker 1: facing the challenge of trying to you know, mandate vaccinations,
Speaker 1: which have been upheld in many parts of the country,
Speaker 1: but you're still in a legal battle over that. Talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what it's like to be governing
Speaker 1: as we hope we're moving out of COVID, but we're
Speaker 1: really living with the consequences of that. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would say all of the challenges that we are facing
Speaker 1: now that are urgent and so stressful on our family's
Speaker 1: shoulders in Boston are the same challenges that communities had
Speaker 1: been advocating to solve for decades and generations before COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen and so the most intense needs are around housing
Speaker 1: stability in a city where housing prices continue to go up.
Speaker 1: There was a brief dip during the pandemic, but we
Speaker 1: are right back up where we were before, and we've
Speaker 1: seen now the impact of housing as safety, health opportunity
Speaker 1: in the midst of a very stressful time. Housing has
Speaker 1: been life or death for so many and we're working
Speaker 1: intensely to invest in the intersection of our crises around homelessness,
Speaker 1: the opiate epidemic, and mental health as well. Our school
Speaker 1: buildings are historic in in good and bad senses of that.
Speaker 1: We have some of the first schools anywhere in the country,
Speaker 1: and two thirds of our school buildings were built before
Speaker 1: World War Two, and so they are in dire need
Speaker 1: of updated ventilation and h VAC systems. And we're investing
Speaker 1: in the healing of our school communities as well as
Speaker 1: the physical footprint for healthy, inspiring buildings. And we see
Speaker 1: all across the city the chance to seize on this
Speaker 1: moment as an opportunity federal funding that will have a
Speaker 1: generational impact and knock on wood, h uh more to
Speaker 1: come if we can get there at the local level.
Speaker 1: Would very much appreciate that and the chance for people
Speaker 1: to truly be aligned across all levels of government for
Speaker 1: investing in our recovery. I think that's a key word.
Speaker 1: It's investing because there are so many changes that we
Speaker 1: should be making now, motivated by the pandemic and aided
Speaker 1: by federal funding, and if you can crack the affordable
Speaker 1: housing dilemma, you will be doing not just a great
Speaker 1: service for the residents of Boston, but the entire country.
Speaker 1: It's gotten absurd. Rents are going up even faster than
Speaker 1: monthly mortgage. Where are people supposed to live. It's so
Speaker 1: frustrating to me because so much of it ends up
Speaker 1: in the local zoning battles. I really hope that you've
Speaker 1: got some ideas and plans, because we can't go on
Speaker 1: like this. Well, there are a couple buckets that we're
Speaker 1: working on in Boston. One is to directly create and
Speaker 1: build more affordable housing. Know it's hard, but we have
Speaker 1: the opportunity right now to marry great local jobs with
Speaker 1: climate resiliency and all the health benefits that come from
Speaker 1: energy efficient homes and the increase in housing supply that
Speaker 1: we need. We are looking to speed through our zoning
Speaker 1: process affordable housing developments. We're looking to keep people stabilized
Speaker 1: in their homes. Some of these protections during the pandemic
Speaker 1: have been absolutely necessary. But the other side of the
Speaker 1: coin from housing is transportation right. Transportation access is what
Speaker 1: will fundamentally open up the chance for families to get
Speaker 1: to their jobs to school. We just announced three free
Speaker 1: bus routes which will be life changing, and we've seen
Speaker 1: some of the impacts locally. And imagine if we could
Speaker 1: really make the infrastructure investments to make it a twenty
Speaker 1: minute train ride between ends of our commonwealth, that would
Speaker 1: unlock so much housing an opportunity all across the state. Well,
Speaker 1: I will be watching with great interest because this has
Speaker 1: to happen, and it's going to take leaders with vision
Speaker 1: and determination like you. We're taking a quick break, stay
Speaker 1: with us. I want to just circle back for a
Speaker 1: minute about COVID and the vaccine, because in January you
Speaker 1: implemented a vaccine mandate for public employees that got a
Speaker 1: lot of support from many circles, not just public health experts,
Speaker 1: but frankly a lot of us who are vaccinated who
Speaker 1: want to see this come to an end. So you
Speaker 1: faced a lot of pushback and you had to make
Speaker 1: that tough decision. And you look back over the last
Speaker 1: two years, elected officials have been in the arena trying
Speaker 1: to make these hard decisions, and they have been really
Speaker 1: the target for so much hate and victory. Al and
Speaker 1: I know you have as well. How have you found
Speaker 1: the strength to just keep going not get diverted in
Speaker 1: the face of all of that incoming attack. It's a
Speaker 1: very difficult moment in our history, and I see that
Speaker 1: almost every day outside my house, and we're faced with
Speaker 1: seven am protests, banging and yelling, and it's seeded in
Speaker 1: vast waves of misinformation and conspiracy theories. You know, I
Speaker 1: sleep well at night. I am good for you, lucky
Speaker 1: that Boston is home to such expertise. And the way
Speaker 1: that I like to lead and make decisions is to
Speaker 1: ensure that the people who are closest to the issue,
Speaker 1: with the greatest expertise on this are informing the decision
Speaker 1: making and so we are solid and how we've been
Speaker 1: leading on public health and how we've been taking action.
Speaker 1: Of course, vaccines are the different to how we will
Speaker 1: end this pandemic. Now you can attribute all sorts of
Speaker 1: Facebook algorithms or Fox News and now having been on
Speaker 1: as a target of of some of those same right
Speaker 1: wing sources. It's sad, but because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, this is not about vaccines to a lot
Speaker 1: of these people, This is about a changing country and
Speaker 1: power structures that see women advancing in leadership and women
Speaker 1: of color, and we are here to stay, and we're
Speaker 1: governing to make sure that our kids are kids kids,
Speaker 1: the ways in which our futures are intertwined, that we
Speaker 1: are grabbing hold of that brightest future. And so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited for what's ahead and how how we vote. However,
Speaker 1: you to suspend your time early in the morning at
Speaker 1: someone's house or not, this is in our collective best interests.
Speaker 1: We will continue taking steps that way. Oh I love
Speaker 1: hearing that, because that's exactly the right approach. But you
Speaker 1: also faced, sadly, tragically, some of this criticism because you
Speaker 1: are a woman of color, because you are Asian American.
Speaker 1: We've seen across our country a terrible rise in hate
Speaker 1: crimes targeting Asian Americans. You know, the the Center for
Speaker 1: the Study of Hate and Extremism found that they increased
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty nine percent last year. And I
Speaker 1: know as an Asian American leader, you have not been
Speaker 1: immune to this trend. How do you think about this
Speaker 1: and what more could we be doing at every level
Speaker 1: of society, not just government, to protect Asian Americans, to
Speaker 1: protect communities. How are you handling this in Boston? It
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking and infuriating to continue to see incidents of
Speaker 1: violence and even recently in New York, of loss of
Speaker 1: life if related to a grieving Asian American community that's
Speaker 1: still very much dealing with the impacts of the former
Speaker 1: federal administrations obsession with demonizing and using racist rhetoric against
Speaker 1: Asian Americans. I think it's always difficult when you are
Speaker 1: breaking down a barrier, no matter what field you're in,
Speaker 1: no matter what background you're coming from, because it takes
Speaker 1: a bit for people to adjust. And I remember that
Speaker 1: serving on the City Council when I was elected in
Speaker 1: that year, we doubled the number of women serving on
Speaker 1: the Boston City Council from one to two when I
Speaker 1: joined Diana Pressley. And since then, when we doubled again
Speaker 1: and again, and now we're at a majority women serving
Speaker 1: on the council, majority people of color. It's a completely
Speaker 1: different ecosystem. It takes all of us standing together and
Speaker 1: calling out instances of racism and hatred and anti Semitis
Speaker 1: them that are all on the rise right now in
Speaker 1: our in our country. And so I give so much
Speaker 1: love to my sisters in service, especially in Massachusetts, to
Speaker 1: Asian American women leaders all across the country. You lead
Speaker 1: New New York City, and Stephanie Chang in Michigan, Helen
Speaker 1: Gim in Philadelphia, and many locally here in Massachusetts. These
Speaker 1: are my heroes there that support network, and UM it
Speaker 1: takes all of us changing the definition of leadership, but
Speaker 1: also insisting powerfully that we are fighting for our collective
Speaker 1: future and it doesn't have to be pitting communities against
Speaker 1: each other. This is about ensuring that the next generation
Speaker 1: and the generation after that have a chance to live
Speaker 1: in a society that represents the beauty and the strength
Speaker 1: of our entire community. That's exactly what I think as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask you specifically. You've got two
Speaker 1: little boys, how do you talk to them about, you know,
Speaker 1: those people protesting you in front of your house, any
Speaker 1: rude and and nasty comments they hear being yelled at you.
Speaker 1: How do you help them deal with specific instances of racism,
Speaker 1: of discrimination, of misogyny. My boys are four and seven,
Speaker 1: and it's been such a test of parented raising kids
Speaker 1: in this time, and some days there's deep anxiety that
Speaker 1: I feel about that. It's such a jarring experience to
Speaker 1: be working my hardest to raise boys who hopefully will
Speaker 1: turn into caring, kind, strong young men, concerned about the
Speaker 1: world and ready to help their community. And then to
Speaker 1: have to explain to them what they're hearing when they
Speaker 1: wake up every day outside our home and and how
Speaker 1: you know, some people I don't think the same way,
Speaker 1: or or are upset about the world and where it is,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to disagree, and we want to try
Speaker 1: to do it in a way that's respectful, not like this.
Speaker 1: And so it's been very hard, um, but there are
Speaker 1: moments in some ways that I'm grateful for the age
Speaker 1: that they are now, because they are full of joy
Speaker 1: and everything's an adventure. I'll just share that. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, when holiday cards were still coming in,
Speaker 1: my older son was helping us sort the mail. And
Speaker 1: he's seven now, he's starting to learn how to read
Speaker 1: bigger words. And he was going through the pile and
Speaker 1: he said, Mama, the protesters sent us some mail. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, no, what does it say on there?
Speaker 1: I sort of rushed over and then he gave a
Speaker 1: big sigh and he said, oh, never mind. He said
Speaker 1: it says to the honorable Michelle, who I thought it
Speaker 1: said to the horrible, Michelle, but he was truly disappointed
Speaker 1: because he was so excited that we were going to
Speaker 1: get this male interaction. So you know, in some ways,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, kids are kids, and
Speaker 1: they have fun in any situation. Love you know. We
Speaker 1: Bill and I uh When Chelsea was six and he
Speaker 1: was running for governor again, and Orville fab Us, the
Speaker 1: old segregationist former governor, was running against him. We wanted
Speaker 1: to prepare her and what she would be hearing out
Speaker 1: on the campaign drugs. We would take her with us,
Speaker 1: and she was also old enough like your son to
Speaker 1: recognize words in the newspaper and all. So we're telling
Speaker 1: her that this man was going to say terrible things
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, like what. And it was
Speaker 1: such a good exercise for us to go through. But
Speaker 1: it was also so touching to see your child go,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, well, what's happening? Who are these people? Um?
Speaker 1: I'm wondering as we wrap up, and I think about Boston,
Speaker 1: a city that I love, having gone to school at
Speaker 1: Wellesley and having spent a lot of time in Boston.
Speaker 1: For people who haven't been to Boston, who don't know
Speaker 1: it and love it like you and I have been
Speaker 1: lucky enough. If you were explaining Boston, you were at
Speaker 1: a like a meeting of mayors somewhere else in the world,
Speaker 1: how would you describe, you know, the wonderful advantages and
Speaker 1: the challenges that Boston presents. Well, when I'm at meetings
Speaker 1: of mayors, I try not to bring up our sports
Speaker 1: teams and the many, many championships that we have. Uh
Speaker 1: But in some ways, the intensity that Bostonians feel the
Speaker 1: loyalty to our sports teams is really the loyalty that
Speaker 1: the city feels to its politics, to its neighborhoods, to
Speaker 1: its communities, to the sense of history here. And we
Speaker 1: are so proud of the many ways in which we
Speaker 1: have made history, whether it's the birth of our democracy,
Speaker 1: or first public school in the country, first public library,
Speaker 1: first public park, first subway tunnel, anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: And my goal in this moment in our city is
Speaker 1: to ensure that we e that legacy, not as sticking
Speaker 1: to the ways that things have always been, and that
Speaker 1: we then must cling to the past, but recognizing our
Speaker 1: legacy of taking the lead, of innovating, of standing up
Speaker 1: and fighting for what's right, fighting for the common good,
Speaker 1: and investing as we've been saying in the ways that
Speaker 1: we are connected. So this is an incredible city because
Speaker 1: we are full of resources, we are full of energy,
Speaker 1: we're full of activism, and we're ready. We're ready to
Speaker 1: take that next step together and set a course that
Speaker 1: I hope other cities will join across the country as well.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that, Michelle. I'm so proud of you
Speaker 1: being in this position, and I'm so excited to see
Speaker 1: how you lead with that vision and determination into the future.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me on this podcast,
Speaker 1: and I hope I get to see you in person
Speaker 1: when we all start traveling again. We can go hiking
Speaker 1: in Franklin Park when your next in town. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'm signing up for that. Thank you so much. It's
Speaker 1: been a pleasure to keep up with Michelle. You can
Speaker 1: follow her on Twitter at mayor woo. That's w you now.
Speaker 1: It takes a certain amount of hootspa to run for
Speaker 1: mayor of any major city, and I think that's especially
Speaker 1: the case in New York. But if anyone's got what
Speaker 1: it takes, it's Eric Adams. He was raised in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: and Queens by a single mom struggling to support her
Speaker 1: six children, and he joined a gang by the time
Speaker 1: he was fourteen. When he was fifteen, he and his
Speaker 1: brother were caught stealing a TV and during his arrest,
Speaker 1: Eric was badly beaten by two white police officers until
Speaker 1: a third officer, who was black, intervened at that painful incident.
Speaker 1: In his memory and with some mentoring and support from
Speaker 1: older men in the community, Eric would go on to
Speaker 1: become a New York City Police officer himself, serving with
Speaker 1: the NYPD for over twenty years. In his second career
Speaker 1: as an elected official, Eric served as a state senator
Speaker 1: and as borough president of Brooklyn before winning the nomination
Speaker 1: for Mayor of New York in a crowded primary and
Speaker 1: then going on to win the general election last November,
Speaker 1: and was sworn in as mayor a New Year's Eve
Speaker 1: in Times Square holding a photograph of his late mother.
Speaker 1: I loved that Eric's got a big heart and a
Speaker 1: big personality, and he's no stranger to controversy. Since taking office,
Speaker 1: he's made news with everything from his appointments to a
Speaker 1: silly kerfuffle over describing him self as vegan even though
Speaker 1: he eats fish. We'll talk about that most recently, though,
Speaker 1: he's earned admiration, but also as goes with the job
Speaker 1: criticism for pushing folks to get back to work in
Speaker 1: person and for easing some of the COVID safety restrictions
Speaker 1: we've lived with for nearly two years. It's time, he says,
Speaker 1: for New York to get back it's swagger. I've known
Speaker 1: Eric since I served as Senator for New York, so
Speaker 1: I can attest to his own personal swagger, and I
Speaker 1: was really excited to speak with him for the podcast. Well,
Speaker 1: I know how busy you are, and I just want
Speaker 1: to dive right in. It is so great to have
Speaker 1: the new mayor of New York City, Mayor Eric Adams,
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. And boy, Mayor, you're really in
Speaker 1: the middle of it. You have become mayor of our biggest,
Speaker 1: greatest city at such a challenging time for the country
Speaker 1: in the world. And yet I know with great challenges
Speaker 1: come even greater opportunities. UM. I wanted to give you
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about your vision for the city
Speaker 1: as we emerge from this pandemic. What are your biggest priorities? UM,
Speaker 1: How you feel about approaching the role to get the
Speaker 1: most out of everybody in the city. A great question.
Speaker 1: You know, people think I'm kidding when I say it,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel anything personally was different from the
Speaker 1: day I got elected to now. Uh, this is the
Speaker 1: life I've lived for thirty five years and responding to crisis,
Speaker 1: responding to people in need, being a former police officers,
Speaker 1: state senator, and bart president. UH, and then coming from
Speaker 1: you know, some dog moments when I was arrested and
Speaker 1: beat by police officers. But I went into the department
Speaker 1: UH to serve for justice and safety. And so this
Speaker 1: is a natural transition for me. But along the way, UH,
Speaker 1: you know, Ms Clinton, you would be surprised that along
Speaker 1: the way Bill Lynch told me. Yeah, he told me
Speaker 1: what I needed to do to be mayor one day.
Speaker 1: I kept a journal throughout the last twentysomething years, and
Speaker 1: I made my observations as a cop in the state senator,
Speaker 1: involved president, and I've walked away with one thing that
Speaker 1: is at the heart of my administration, and it comes
Speaker 1: from the quote of Archbishop desmon To two that we
Speaker 1: just lost. Paraphrasing him, we spend a lifetime pulling people
Speaker 1: out of the river. No one goes upstream and prevent
Speaker 1: them from falling in in the first place. So if
Speaker 1: you were to sum up my administration, all I can
Speaker 1: say is that it's an upstream administration where we're going
Speaker 1: to stop people from falling in the river. We're gonna
Speaker 1: catch those who are on their way downstream and pull
Speaker 1: them out, and then we're going to have a safe
Speaker 1: landing place for people who are already in. And government
Speaker 1: can do a better job of not only upping people
Speaker 1: from falling in, but dawn it, we're pushing them in
Speaker 1: every day whole with dysfunctional ways we're running cities. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate your talking about that because it's an investment approach.
Speaker 1: It's a you know, preemption approach. Try to prevent the problems,
Speaker 1: try to invest in what will help people, you know,
Speaker 1: make the most out of their own lives. And your
Speaker 1: background I think uniquely suits you for this time. You
Speaker 1: are a lifelong New Yorker, grew up in Brooklyn, the
Speaker 1: Queens Um and as you just said, as a young
Speaker 1: black kid, you know, you had your challenges and yet
Speaker 1: you had to believe in yourself. Talk about the neighborhood
Speaker 1: you grew up it, because those are stories that could
Speaker 1: still be told about kids, right now aren't they so true?
Speaker 1: And you know what I saw on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: I was two months in and I realized that everyone
Speaker 1: wanted to be heard, and I knew who I had
Speaker 1: to be felt. I wanted New Yorker Is to fill
Speaker 1: the authenticity of my run. And I taught up the
Speaker 1: playbook and I said, all I'm going to do is
Speaker 1: to give my story. I gave the story of growing
Speaker 1: up in in public school, believing I couldn't learn, only
Speaker 1: to get to college to realize I had a learning
Speaker 1: disability and went from being a D student to being
Speaker 1: on the dean's list when I got help. I talked
Speaker 1: the story of carrying a garbage bag full of clothing
Speaker 1: to school every day because my mom thought we were
Speaker 1: going to be thrown out and she did not want
Speaker 1: us to be embarrassed. And she said, you need a
Speaker 1: change of underclothes and showed so socks. She has six children,
Speaker 1: and you know, I tell everyone she loved all of us,
Speaker 1: but she just adored me. I was just a favorite child.
Speaker 1: But but it was it was tough. And you know
Speaker 1: what was interesting as I now I'm doing, you know,
Speaker 1: a real review. We betrayed mom, you know, like we
Speaker 1: betrayed so many mothers all over the globe. When mother
Speaker 1: needed help to give food to eat, we were giving
Speaker 1: her food that was feeding the chronic diseases, you know,
Speaker 1: processed cheese and can meet and fatty substances. You know.
Speaker 1: When mother needed help with childcare, we betrayed her and
Speaker 1: then given the childcare. That's why I'm pushing for universal childcare.
Speaker 1: Is crucihoet and even my sister who had to raise
Speaker 1: all of us, my oldest sister, my mom was working
Speaker 1: those two jobs. My sister had to abandon her childhood
Speaker 1: and not do what the young girls do, but she
Speaker 1: had to take care all of us. So that abandonment
Speaker 1: is generational, and we need to stop the abandonment and
Speaker 1: be there for everyday New Yorkers. That is incredibly important,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know from my perspective, having been
Speaker 1: a child advocate, work for the Children's Defense Fund, all
Speaker 1: the work that I've done over so many years, if
Speaker 1: we would own we show some more empathy, compassion and
Speaker 1: kindness and help people before they got evicted, before they
Speaker 1: were at their wits end because they couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: how to do the job and take care of their kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really not complicated. Mayor we just
Speaker 1: refused to do it. You know, I know that even
Speaker 1: though as as a young kid, you got into, you know,
Speaker 1: a situation where two white police officers literally beat you up.
Speaker 1: I've read that it was the intervention of a black
Speaker 1: officer that stopped the beating, but also kind of inspired
Speaker 1: you can you can you describe how you ended up
Speaker 1: being a New York City police officer for I think
Speaker 1: what twenty two years? Yes, twenty two years. And I
Speaker 1: enjoyed every moment of you know, fighting on behalf of
Speaker 1: safety because I said all the time public safety and justice.
Speaker 1: They are the prerequisite to prosperity. You can't have just
Speaker 1: this without safety, and you can't have safety without justice.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I think about mom, uh you
Speaker 1: know was her third grade education. She was filled with
Speaker 1: so much wisdom. And I remember the day after I
Speaker 1: was arrested and I went home and she said, baby,
Speaker 1: you're going to find yourself in dog places. You decided
Speaker 1: that dog place is a burial or a planting. And
Speaker 1: you know, any pain that you received, you have to
Speaker 1: turn it into purpose. And I always remember that over
Speaker 1: and over again. I was fifteen at the time, and
Speaker 1: you know, leaving the precenting months after, I was just
Speaker 1: so angry, and I remember going to the social worker
Speaker 1: that the centers to and the social worker told my
Speaker 1: brother to come back for a follow up visit and
Speaker 1: she said to me, Eric, don't bother coming back. You
Speaker 1: have too much anger. You're going to find yourself constantly
Speaker 1: in trouble and there's no reason to waste time. Keep
Speaker 1: talking to you. And I left her office that day,
Speaker 1: walking down the block and felters though this was my destiny,
Speaker 1: this is what I was going to be, but it
Speaker 1: stand out of the pain of the loss of someone
Speaker 1: a young man named Cliffic Glover. He was shot by
Speaker 1: a police officer. I was able to meet a man
Speaker 1: named Reverend Herbert Daughtry, who you know I do. And
Speaker 1: Reverend Daughtry met with me and twelve other young men. Um.
Speaker 1: This was after Cliffic Glover shooting and another businessman that
Speaker 1: was died from a choke holl from police. And he
Speaker 1: came to us and said, listen, we're fighting from outside.
Speaker 1: We want you guys to go inside and be advocates
Speaker 1: for the justice and safety. And I decided reluctantly to
Speaker 1: join the police department and started an organization called one
Speaker 1: of your Blacks and law Enforcement who Cared and we
Speaker 1: fought from within well, and thank goodness you did, because
Speaker 1: you now are bringing that inside outside perspective to dealing
Speaker 1: with like safety in a way that does promote both
Speaker 1: justice and safety and one of the biggest issues facing you.
Speaker 1: And thank you for making it so clear that gun
Speaker 1: violence is a scourge. It's surging. People have guns that
Speaker 1: should never be near guns, and we are not doing enough.
Speaker 1: And I know you met with President Biden. You've done
Speaker 1: so much and after the terrible killings of police officers
Speaker 1: in the city, you've been so strong and outspoken. But
Speaker 1: I'm afraid Mayor that you know this Supreme Court and
Speaker 1: the other political party, they're heading in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about guns and the gun
Speaker 1: violence that stalks too many neighborhoods. And you're right, it's
Speaker 1: a real fear. And I know this is this is
Speaker 1: natural for you, you know, being Winn of the co
Speaker 1: founders back in your time of ARKANSAURS advocates for children
Speaker 1: and families and for creation of children's health insurance programs.
Speaker 1: So believe you know we gotta plant the seeds early,
Speaker 1: and we gotta get it right, and we are moving
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. There's a case in front of
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court about the right to carry that is
Speaker 1: extremely dangerous for New York City to have, you know,
Speaker 1: open carry in our city as Dens is New York,
Speaker 1: in other places like Chicago, it's a real crisis. And
Speaker 1: then we're looking at the mass production of guns. It's
Speaker 1: not only impact in New York, it's impacting our whole
Speaker 1: regions South American Caribbean diaspora. We are actually feeding the
Speaker 1: gun and the crime crisis in the entire hemisphere. Not
Speaker 1: just extremely dangerous, well, it just outrages me because these
Speaker 1: gun manufacturers, I don't think they have any conscience. I mean, thankfully,
Speaker 1: the parents of the poor little kids killed at Sandy Hook,
Speaker 1: finally upheld one of the manufacturers, Remington, accountable, by pointing
Speaker 1: out that they were advertising assault weapons to young men
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter whether those young men were stable,
Speaker 1: had a criminal record, or anything else about them. All
Speaker 1: the manufacturer wanted is to sell more guns. And you know, Keita,
Speaker 1: increasing public safety and ensuring justice is building trust between
Speaker 1: communities of color and police officers. While at the same
Speaker 1: time supporting our police department. So you're in a unique
Speaker 1: position to be able to walk that balance. Beam Mayor,
Speaker 1: and I want to congratulate you on appointing the very
Speaker 1: first female commissioner in the long history of New York's
Speaker 1: Police Department, Commissioner Sewell. And I read that you had
Speaker 1: picked her because of her emotional intelligence, and that was
Speaker 1: a good pick. But how do we get that calculation right?
Speaker 1: We have to have you know, public safety, and we
Speaker 1: have to have a a good, well trained police department
Speaker 1: that has you know, morale about helping. How do we
Speaker 1: do that, Well, we start with, as you indicated, the
Speaker 1: right leadership and we don't have to trade off safety
Speaker 1: and justice. That must become the cornerstone of our public
Speaker 1: safety mindset. And then we have to do something that
Speaker 1: I like to call intervention and prevention. If you find
Speaker 1: many people from our party, they are comfortable with talking
Speaker 1: about prevention. The long term things we need dealing with dyslexia,
Speaker 1: so we don't have thirty of our prison population being dyslexic. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, education, housing, healthcare. Those are the middle and
Speaker 1: long term things. But even the best prevention plan, let's
Speaker 1: say it takes a year, two years, it's something even longer.
Speaker 1: What are we going to do right now? What are
Speaker 1: we going to do this weekend? And we do that
Speaker 1: by giving police office is the moral support and the
Speaker 1: support to have the resources of defining the proper police
Speaker 1: practices they have. And that's what I'm doing. I am
Speaker 1: not going to allow the numerical minority that are the
Speaker 1: allowedest to dictate how we're going to keep my city
Speaker 1: safe now and what we're going to do in the
Speaker 1: long term. So it's that's the combination. I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, it is not what happens in tweets,
Speaker 1: is what happens on our streets. And then preach, preach
Speaker 1: mayor that is music to my ears. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: get real here. You know, sadly, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I've lived long enough to know, you know, there are
Speaker 1: some people who are doing harm right now, and they
Speaker 1: are harming innocent people. They're doing bad stuff right now,
Speaker 1: and to go just in one or the other direction,
Speaker 1: it's just shortsighted and it doesn't work. So thank you
Speaker 1: for helping to educate uh, not only the city, but
Speaker 1: literally the country about how you can't separate safety and justice.
Speaker 1: They have to go hand in hand. We'll be back
Speaker 1: right after this quick break. Look, we know public safety
Speaker 1: and justice are tied up in a lot of other issues.
Speaker 1: You've got, you know, record amount of homelessness. You've got
Speaker 1: people unable to afford their housing. You have a lot
Speaker 1: of families like your family, with your mom working one
Speaker 1: two jobs, your sister taken care of you, doing the
Speaker 1: best she can and not getting paid enough to be
Speaker 1: able to afford the rent. So how do we deal
Speaker 1: with this housing issue, this homelessness issue? And I know
Speaker 1: you're trying to address and I also thank you for saying, look,
Speaker 1: people are not going to be sleeping on our subway.
Speaker 1: You know, we've got to come up with a better
Speaker 1: approach than now, without a doubt. And again it goes
Speaker 1: back to you know, as I say, I think you
Speaker 1: and your husband understood clearly that you have to meet
Speaker 1: people where they are and take them where they ought
Speaker 1: to be. That's what it was about when you were
Speaker 1: a U. S. Senator, and that is what we want
Speaker 1: to carve our administration about. And you know at the
Speaker 1: heart of my administration, every staffer, my deputy mayors, when
Speaker 1: you listen to their stories, it shows that they are
Speaker 1: individuals who have gone through a lot. And I believe
Speaker 1: if you're going to help people who are going through
Speaker 1: a lot, you should be someone that has gone through
Speaker 1: a lot. And my top team, they are representatives of
Speaker 1: the people that they are providing services for. So we
Speaker 1: have to go after what creates the crisis. Do you
Speaker 1: know in New York City, sixty of black and brown
Speaker 1: children never reach proficiency And if you don't educate, you're
Speaker 1: going to and us right when we have young people
Speaker 1: enforced the care aging out of one clearly understanding that
Speaker 1: only twentysomething percent will graduate from high school, three will
Speaker 1: graduate from college, and they were more likely to be unemployed, homeless,
Speaker 1: mental health illness. Yet we do nothing every year with
Speaker 1: those sixty seven young people that age out. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm putting money into the force to care system, you know,
Speaker 1: with fair futures, to give them the wrap around support
Speaker 1: and life coaches into the We have to go at
Speaker 1: the heart of the problem so that we don't continue
Speaker 1: to be pulling people out of the river downstream because
Speaker 1: of the problem we've ignored, and you know there are solutions.
Speaker 1: I was thrilled when you tapped my longtime friend David
Speaker 1: Banks for the Department of Education because I got to
Speaker 1: know David back when I was a senator, and he
Speaker 1: had this crazy idea that we could educate black and
Speaker 1: brown boys guess what and and and you know, give
Speaker 1: them all future. And I believed in him, and he
Speaker 1: started the Eagle Academy. We have seen the results, and
Speaker 1: now I know he's going to try to do the
Speaker 1: same for all students in the New York City public schools.
Speaker 1: It's really more of an indictment of us that kids
Speaker 1: never reach proficiency because there's enough information about what good
Speaker 1: teaching methods are, what kind of good wrap around services.
Speaker 1: There should be uh time on task all of that
Speaker 1: so that we know what to do. We just have
Speaker 1: to exercise the will and put the resources behind it.
Speaker 1: And it's about that holy listing. Something as simple as
Speaker 1: if we need washing machines in our schools, then we
Speaker 1: should have them. I mean, you children miss school just
Speaker 1: because they don't have washing machines. And then how some
Speaker 1: of youth employment. We're going to give a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: young people some of youth employments. But it's not just
Speaker 1: going to the park and learning how to sweep leaves. No,
Speaker 1: we're gonna build in financial literacy, We're gonna build in
Speaker 1: how to dress, dress for success, um, how to work
Speaker 1: in a corporate environment. Technology. So we're going to use
Speaker 1: the hundred thousand jobs to give those children the life
Speaker 1: skills they need so that they can be ready when
Speaker 1: they leave school. Many of these children, their parents never
Speaker 1: received the foundation. And you know, we were as a family.
Speaker 1: You know, the whole block was poor, so we didn't
Speaker 1: realize we were poor. But but mother had the foundation.
Speaker 1: She showed me how to him my parents. She showed
Speaker 1: me how to wash clothing. She showed me how some
Speaker 1: of the basic skills. If no one is home to
Speaker 1: teach you that, our schools believe it or not, we
Speaker 1: can't be just academic institutions. We have to reinforce the
Speaker 1: life skills and almost be seek your parents, because many
Speaker 1: of these children are going home to atmosphere because unfortunately
Speaker 1: their parents never received that support. So no one is
Speaker 1: breaking the chain, and we must break the chain. Well,
Speaker 1: and you referenced earlier cyclical trauma, generational trauma, and it's
Speaker 1: true with life skills instruction and education as well. And
Speaker 1: I've always thought that it was so unfair to just
Speaker 1: wash our hands of kids or blame parents instead of saying, well,
Speaker 1: nobody taught those parents, And don't you think we ought
Speaker 1: to do something. You know, my mother who was abandoned
Speaker 1: as a very young girl and sent to live with
Speaker 1: grandparents who didn't want her, and then finally, at the
Speaker 1: age of thirteen, she was working in somebody else's home
Speaker 1: to get out of the situation she was in with grandparents.
Speaker 1: When I was old enough to understand, I said, so,
Speaker 1: what was that like? I mean, you're thirteen years old
Speaker 1: and you have no family. In effect, she goes, it
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever saw a real family.
Speaker 1: It's the first time I learned what a family was
Speaker 1: and how to take care of kids and all of that. So,
Speaker 1: from my perspective, should be part of what we do,
Speaker 1: and we used to do more of that in school,
Speaker 1: and so I'd like to see us come back with
Speaker 1: some more of that. You know, I know, how busy
Speaker 1: are I just have two more points, and I want
Speaker 1: to raise with you, Mayor, and I could literally talk
Speaker 1: to you all afternoon, and I want to defend you
Speaker 1: because Bill, you know, really was vegan for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and then his doctor said you got to
Speaker 1: add more protein, and he started eating fish. So he
Speaker 1: is primarily you know, vegan like he will he'll eat salmon,
Speaker 1: He'll eat whitefish and tuna, fish, things like that from
Speaker 1: you know, time to time. So I'm coming to tell
Speaker 1: you living with a vegan man, I get it. You
Speaker 1: gotta have occasionally some you know, other protein. And this
Speaker 1: is where we are right now. Well is such an energy.
Speaker 1: You know, Unfortunately as some of the media where we
Speaker 1: want to play gotcha instead of saying we got you,
Speaker 1: you know, putting out the signal. I'm sure Bill would
Speaker 1: tell you having a hopeful plant based lifestyle really helped us.
Speaker 1: You know, he was dealing with his heart condition, I
Speaker 1: was dealing with diabetes. You know, it just helps us.
Speaker 1: And we just want to encourage other Americans to know
Speaker 1: that you can do some things that, you know, to
Speaker 1: really deal with healthcare challenges. Some people want to are
Speaker 1: afraid or upset that we're doing that, but we're focused on,
Speaker 1: you know, just getting the message out and I want
Speaker 1: to thank him for if what he has done, and
Speaker 1: we have to stop trying to judge people who want
Speaker 1: to inspire, and that's all we're doing. We're inspiring people,
Speaker 1: and you are, and you even wrote a book called
Speaker 1: Healthy at Last, a plant based approach to preventing and
Speaker 1: reversing diabetes and other chronic illnesses. So I know you work,
Speaker 1: you're you. You are like my husband and me. Your
Speaker 1: your idea of fun is, you know, work at another
Speaker 1: ten hours. But you know, as somebody who's done that
Speaker 1: to being older than you, mayor for a long time,
Speaker 1: you still have to kind of some fun, get off
Speaker 1: of the you know, the fast track. So what do
Speaker 1: you do for fun in the city? I mean, who
Speaker 1: works harder than you? You know that, But but I do.
Speaker 1: I have, I have some amazing downtime. But you and
Speaker 1: I both know when your work becomes your passion and
Speaker 1: your love is no longer work, you know, but I do.
Speaker 1: I start my day with breathing exercises and meditation, ride
Speaker 1: my bike a lot. When it's time for me to travel,
Speaker 1: I'll get on the plane in a minute, and you know,
Speaker 1: get out of here and just enjoy, you know. But
Speaker 1: you're right, and I encourage any and everyone. You know,
Speaker 1: you're no good to others. You're not going to yourself.
Speaker 1: But I do a lot of self care, you know,
Speaker 1: I laugh and joke. I'll tell you the minute. I'll
Speaker 1: put some bubble baths and some rose tellers and incense
Speaker 1: and sitting a hot tub in a minute. You are
Speaker 1: a man after my own heart. Mayor. Nothing like a
Speaker 1: hot bath. I mean, I can't believe I'm talking to
Speaker 1: Eric Adams, Mayor of New York City about our bath practices.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you. Thank you for your passion,
Speaker 1: your devotion, your determination to lead this city that we
Speaker 1: both love. Thank you, Mr Mayor, Thank you. Take care.
Speaker 1: You can follow Eric Adams on Twitter at n YC Mayor.
Speaker 1: Before I go. As a reminder, I'll be answering your
Speaker 1: questions on a future episode of You and Me Both. Now.
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