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Speaker 1: Please. He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and it is the Monday after the Super Bowl. Matt.

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Speaker 1: I guess in one way, we can look at this

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Speaker 1: and say, well, season is now complete. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: we can look at this say this is the first

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Speaker 1: day of the season. Yeah, there you go. It's officially

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Speaker 1: the off season for every team out there, not that

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Speaker 1: there ever is an off season. Um end up being

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Speaker 1: a good game, enjoyable. Some takeaways from that that could,

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Speaker 1: you know, be stuff that Steelers compating themselves out after

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Speaker 1: as well. But it's officially build your team for next

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Speaker 1: year's season, you know. I mean we're gonna dig and

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Speaker 1: heavy the draft. Free agencies right around the corners talk

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Speaker 1: a long dail until we're in an Indy. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and we'll be in Indianapolis talking

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Speaker 1: to people, seeing some of the prospects, doing all that

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Speaker 1: good stuff. Um, it heats up quickly. And uh, if

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Speaker 1: you know in a month from basically a month from today,

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Speaker 1: well a month from Wednesday, I should say free agency starts.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know we need to start digging into

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Speaker 1: some of those available guys and stealers plans for their

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Speaker 1: own and um starting to dig into draft heavy. So

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Speaker 1: this week is always weird for me. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're the same way, But when there's not a

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Speaker 1: game to look forward to and you get some of

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Speaker 1: this last week after the FC Championship games, I don't

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Speaker 1: quite know what to do with myself. I need to

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Speaker 1: kind of like get a new plan of attack, and

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, it becomes such creatures a habit. You

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Speaker 1: need to kind of get find your new routine. So

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Speaker 1: this week is always a little odd for me. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean every every week's odd for us because that's

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Speaker 1: what's just what we are. But the game itself thought, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, last week when we previewed the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: there was one thing that I was specifically wrong about,

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Speaker 1: and that was that I thought that the Eagles defensive

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Speaker 1: offensive line, and that didn't happen. So I got to

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Speaker 1: give the Chief's offensive line credit in that In that regard,

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Speaker 1: I thought their line played tremendous. Both in the run

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Speaker 1: and pass game. Um, a couple of nuggets. You know

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Speaker 1: that I was shocked is even though they had a

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Speaker 1: pretty good they were they weren't down on the scoreboard,

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Speaker 1: They're going into halftime, and they were against the Ropes

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Speaker 1: there for a little bit. Andy Reid still called twenty

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Speaker 1: seven passes against twenty six rons, and his offensive line

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Speaker 1: allowed both to be very successful. I want to get

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Speaker 1: this off my chest though, and I'm curious what you

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Speaker 1: think too. And the biggest problem I had with the

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Speaker 1: whole game as a viewer as an analyst was the

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Speaker 1: field conditions, Like how on earth is that not a

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Speaker 1: per steen a plus perfect field? And I think why

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Speaker 1: I'm why I brought that up when you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: D line is I think it hurt the Eagles path

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Speaker 1: rush tremendously. I mean, there was a couple of times

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Speaker 1: where Reddick couldn't bend the corner and lost his footing.

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Speaker 1: Their get off wasn't as good, and I'm sure Chris

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Speaker 1: Jones wasn't thrilled about it either. But people don't think

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Speaker 1: about that from a field conditioned standpoint very much. We

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of the skill guys slipping and things

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Speaker 1: of that nature. But I thought it helped put more

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Speaker 1: we're hampered a bit. Well, I'll say this. You know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL, uh and the and the Cardinals were talking

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Speaker 1: this game. And and they've always had an issue in

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Speaker 1: they bring it in. Um, that's not a game in

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Speaker 1: which you want to experiment with your grass. I think

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Speaker 1: they like millions to do this, eight thousand dollars on

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Speaker 1: don't know who they hired or whatever, but that can't

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Speaker 1: That stuff happens. But in terms of the biggest game

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Speaker 1: I just don't get that. Yeah, I will say that

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Speaker 1: It's not like it played differently for one team than

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Speaker 1: it did the other. So it does balance out. But

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Speaker 1: know when we talk about games being played in weather conditions.

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Speaker 1: You know, the grass was a con they had to adjust.

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Speaker 1: You saw players, you know, changing out their spikes and

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Speaker 1: things of that nature, and that that's part of the

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Speaker 1: seen it be better, There's no doubt about that, but

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Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is. You mentioned the penalty, Matt, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a penalty. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a penalty in live action. Um, he restricted Bradberry restricted

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Speaker 1: Jujus miss Schuster from running his his pass pattern. That's

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Speaker 1: a penalty. It's a defensive hold. It doesn't matter whether

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Speaker 1: the last minute of the game. The thing that drives

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Speaker 1: me nuts are the people who say that the officials

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Speaker 1: should swallow their whistle. It's such a big moment in

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Speaker 1: the game. They got to just swallow their whistle. No, No,

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Speaker 1: this isn't hockey. It's a penalty. It's a penalty. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: did that maybe they missed some penalties earlier in the game. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that happened. But at the same time, if

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Speaker 1: if that's what you saw, if you saw a receiver

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Speaker 1: and there was a grab, Bradberry admitted he grabbed the

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Speaker 1: back of his jersey, why can't people understand that that's

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Speaker 1: a penalty. In a way, it's kind of like my

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Speaker 1: you have to throw that flag in the Cincinnati game

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Speaker 1: to me. But what's different. It's kind of like what

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Speaker 1: a lot of clutching and grabbing in Super Bowls. You know,

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Speaker 1: standing up and saying, yeah, I committed a penalty. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to Juju Smith Schuster in that situation, the penalty is

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Speaker 1: out of their mind. What cost the Eagles the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl was giving up that long drive to begin with.

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Speaker 1: They had every opportunity to stop that drive before it

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Speaker 1: gonna go with the Steeler spin was. I'm a big believer,

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Speaker 1: especially in huge games, that in this league, more games

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Speaker 1: inflicted stuff the Eagles did might have cost them the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl overall. I mean their punt coverage against Tonya horrendous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean that penalty. They had some pre

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Speaker 1: snap penalties. I thought the Jalen Hurts fumble. That's the

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, they they had the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: that game might have been over. Yeah, exactly. They were

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Speaker 1: playing great at that point. I saw today. This is

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Speaker 1: the only game outside of the Patriots comeback against the

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Speaker 1: Falcons and Super Bowl history, where a team went into

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Speaker 1: end up winning. Well, if the Eagles could have run

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Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds were the story much more so than

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Speaker 1: if this reth throws a penalty flag or not, because

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Speaker 1: what chief fans, I mean chief fans might be complaining

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Speaker 1: right now if he didn't throw it, you know, absolutely

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Speaker 1: absolutely so that the people out there complaining that that

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Speaker 1: that call costed the Eagles the Super Bowl, Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, there's no guarantee that they were going to

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Speaker 1: go back down to score again. Of course, not right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Chiefs may have still milked the clock

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Speaker 1: Cover a punt, Cover a punt. Don't give up a yet,

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Speaker 1: don't give up a punt to the you know that

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Speaker 1: gets returned sixty five yards to the five. Don't give up,

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Speaker 1: don't give up a score every time Kansas City had

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Speaker 1: the ball in the second half. Yeah, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Tony's a change field, super elusive type of guy, but

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Speaker 1: the whole left side of the punt coverage team totally

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Speaker 1: abandoned their lanes. You know, they didn't have any integrity

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, um, I meant you going into

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Speaker 1: and both gave up a long punt return. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: right right, I mean, don't overlook that stuff. So um again,

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Speaker 1: I thought there were some self inflicted wounds there that

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Speaker 1: you know, I again, I thought it was a good game.

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Speaker 1: I I think that that both teams overall played well,

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Speaker 1: but those mistakes are magnified in a game like that.

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Speaker 1: And and again I didn't think that the officials over

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Speaker 1: officiated that game. Were there nine total nine total penalties called? Right?

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Speaker 1: Did anybody have problems with officials except for that call? Like,

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear any complaints up until that point. To

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Speaker 1: but in the end they'll say that's why they lost.

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Speaker 1: They got short change. Is crazy. Yeah, So the game

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Speaker 1: then you then you continue to you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that around here for many many moons,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles really don't need anything. This is a luxury

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