1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: You are now listening to Waiting on Reparations production of 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Yeah, yeah, you're listening to Waiting on Reparations. Indeed, 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I'm not even going to mess around 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: or make you wait too long, because we don't want 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: to wait. Today's episode is kind of special for us, 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, like it's only so often we're always trying 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: to book interesting guests on this show, and every now 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: and then we get the opportunity to book somebody who 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: were both very enamored with. And even though you read 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: the description and you've seen who it is, I'm gonna 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: let Mariah handle the introduction because she has it all 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: written out, is perfect, so we're just gonna get into it. 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: So without further ado. Oh jeez, how do I you 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: get do? How do I really have the honor of 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: introducing our guest today? Well? I guess today. Sam's a 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: k A DR And I'm the Kasongo and After. A 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: futurist rap artist and producer from Ethnica, New York. She 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: holds a PhD in Science and Technology Studies from Cornell 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: It is currently a professor in the music department at 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Brown University. There's a law more that could be said 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: about cap Law. You are Dr Samis, but let's let 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: that unfold in the conversation. So first off, I love 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: to love to ask people. This is my favorite thing 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: to ask people these days. Everybody else, Oh how are you? 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: And you're like, well, good, But what has been the 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: highlight of your day so far? Today? Oh? The highlight 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: of my day. I made some amazing eggs for breakfast. Yea, 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: the most important meal of the day. Oh yeah, what's 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: your what's your secret to amazing eggs? Well, I'm a 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: terrible chef, so um. I recently have been putting butter 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: into my eggs and them just have this more savory 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: um kind of texture, like good mouth feel. So yeah, 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: I felt really excited because I'm just such a terrible up. 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: So what I'm able to make something that it's somewhat tasty. 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: It's like it's an accomplished goost your self esteem so 36 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: much like, yeah I did that. I like body and 37 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: like cooking for yourself like a form of self care. 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: It sure is, but it's hard to like it is 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, real for real people who who understand the practice. 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: It's like there's so much commitment. You gotta just prep 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: like just figuring out all the formulas. As chemistry, it's 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot having the right like spices and like implements. 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: You tend to the tools, all right, tools like I 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: don't even have like a meat mentor like what are 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you telling me? Too much eggs? To make some good eggs? Man, 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: that will start your day, right, Um well, let's get 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: on to them to find out a little bit about 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: what you've been up to. Because last time I saw you, 49 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was in d C at Songbird 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Cafe and the day, Yeah, for this day, your encouragement, 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: like we talked of the crowd and you're really encouraging 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: to me about my PhD it stuff, And I was like, 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, to this day I remember that, but 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: I was too out the nineteen and a lot has 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: happened since then. So what has transpired in your last 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: two and a half years as an academic and a 57 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: cultural worker? Yeah? So, um so, basically in two thousand nineteen, 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: I was just wrapping up my my dissertation. Um so, 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: let me actually rewind to the top of the year. 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: So I was like looking at my my dissertation kind 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: of being finished, and like what was next? And I 62 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: was feeling like, Okay, I'm gonna be a full time 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: working musician. I had zero plans to continue into the academy. 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I was like, peace, I'm done with that. Um. And 65 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: then a mentor of mine, UM Dr Jennifer Stover, who's 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: written this amazing book called The Sonic Color Line, she 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: reached out to me and was like, hey, have you 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: seen this post doc at Brown for someone who teaches 69 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: in like Afro disport music making, And I feel like 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: this might kind of be up your alley. UM. So 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: I was like sure, I tied to it, and then 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: actually got it and was like whoa, that was unexpected. 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: But then it was also this kind of o ship 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: moment because I had to have my PhD by the 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: start date, and the start date was in July, and 76 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I did not yet have a PhD. So it was like, Okay, 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I have to make this happen in the next four 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: to five months. So um that that semester was like 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: the worst inmester of my life. I was writing like 80 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: I had a gun into my head. It was so stressful, 81 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: and I had I worked with a dissertation writing coach 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: who would just like she would just push me like 83 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: you gotta keep writing today. So it was really really difficult, 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: but I finished it in time and I was able 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: to graduate and UM and then ended up moving to 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Providence in twenty to start composition UM for the fall semester. 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: So it was I mean, it was a trip like 88 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: we could talk about. But yeah, that that sounds Yeah 89 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: that just give me very deeply because um, you know, 90 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm both time, my discinsion done in three weeks, and 91 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: my mental health is just not right. Not only that, 92 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: it's like impacting how I'm treating other people. That's the 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: thing that's like not cool. I'm like I can saw her, 94 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: it's fine, but like I'm like yelling at people everything. 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: It affects everything. When you're under that that that kind 96 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: of timeline and stress and constraint, and when you're deep 97 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: in the project like that, it's it's so difficult to 98 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: just be in like a clear mental health space. So 99 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I I completely completely understand that space and I can't 100 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: wait for you to be free of it. Certainly, was 101 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff that went down, was that pre or 102 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: post pandemic that was free? That was pandemic? Yeah, yeah, um, 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was I was on tour 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of twenty nineteen, and I remember I 105 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: was like in back of the van, like trying, just 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: desperately trying to write, like you know, everyone's had having 107 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: a key key living their best life, and I was 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: there as hell because it was like I don't get 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: to critake and anything. I just have this this theme, 110 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: this demon looming over my my my head. Um. So yeah. 111 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: Then I moved to Providence from Philly. I was in 112 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: Philly for four years um, and then came up to 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: Providence and that's been it's been a trip being here 114 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: and getting situated. It's a different experience. And then halfway 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: through my first year was when the pandemic unfolded. So 116 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: then I moved back to Philly and was there for 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: two for the remainder of the year and into the 118 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: next year. And now I'm back in Providence after having 119 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: like taught online basically for the more set and stable 120 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: now in terms of like yeah, yeah, like and during 121 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I should mention that during that two year period, I 122 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: was just at Brown as a post doc, so I thought, okay, 123 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I got to figure out my next steps. And then 124 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: I was extended and offered to be an assistant professor. 125 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: So it was like, Okay, I have a little bit 126 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: more um like time, the timeline is different now because 127 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: I was thinking during the pandemic, I'm also gonna have 128 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what the next step is. So it 129 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: was a little bit of stability after a few years, 130 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: but just not not really knowing. So, how has like 131 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: academia f at all. I mean, you're already you know 132 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: in I guess at Cornell for eight years things, so 133 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: so like, particularly with the pandemic and now you're taking 134 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: on a new prefectorial role, how has that influenced, like 135 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: your ability to make art um? As it informed in 136 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: any way? Lord? Well, so the first thing is it informed? 137 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: It be in the sense that I haven't really been 138 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: able to make that much art um because I was 139 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: so I realized this um like into maybe March or 140 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: April of twenty when lockdown was sort of like when 141 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: we were in lockdown, but I was so burnt out. 142 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: I was so completely fried and just had not really 143 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: processed it and had kind of accepted that as like 144 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: the normal pace of things that like, yeah, you should 145 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: be trying to do five million things and tour and 146 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: right and be in conversation and do this and the third. 147 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: So when we had to slow down, UM, I cracked hard. 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do anything. I 149 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: don't want to use my brain to do anything. My 150 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: brain is at least yeah. So really, for for the 151 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: past to two wish years, I've been more focused on 152 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: UM two projects. One of them is UM. It's a 153 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: video game project with some friends who started a studio 154 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: UM called glow Up Games, and we're working on this 155 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: project and they've wanted someone to come in who has 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of a rap background to engineer this like rap mechanic. 157 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: So I it's like it was a very specific skill 158 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: set that I was able to sal for this this 159 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: game project. So I've been working on some rhymes to 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of figure out this like rhyme mechanic in the game. 161 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: And then the other project is working with a friend 162 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: of mine. She's an incredible MC named a Ku and 163 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Naru UM and she is She's developed this idea to 164 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: to to create a digital archive UM that traces the 165 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: contributions of women and girls in hip hop over the 166 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: past fifty years. So UM like contributing in that way 167 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: has been really like gratifying, but as far as making 168 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: my own stuff, I haven't. I haven't even had the 169 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: I feel like the focus to just sit and write. 170 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's um it's like a scary 171 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: space for me right now because I think revisit it 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: in the page is like I think sitting with the 173 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: um you know, the trauma of the past few years, 174 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: just you know, like I had these upcoming shows and 175 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm realizing, Man, I haven't performed live in two and 176 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: a half years, Like what is that going to feel? Like? Like, 177 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: am I you know, have I lost it? Do I 178 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: still have like all these questions that sort of emerge 179 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: around creation that I've been trying to avoid for the 180 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: past two years that now I have to get back into. 181 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so interesting the way that paused and 182 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: impacted folks differently, Like it didn't slow things down for everyone, 183 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: but some found a lot of creative energy and that 184 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: slow down other people and it was a moment for 185 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: them to actually assess like there where they were at 186 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: and like actually, no, this is not cool, you know. 187 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, the various ways that like that like slow 188 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: down really allowed people to things to emerge, things to 189 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: emerge that everyone had been ignoring or not really. You know, 190 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: I had like I had like two two sides of 191 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: that when the pandemic hit. Like the first half of 192 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Lockdown was like, oh man, nothing matters. What is art? 193 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: There's there's no purpose or point in any of those. 194 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: And then the second half was like, oh wait, things 195 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: are gonna be fine. Okay, what's Yeah, the starter started 196 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: writing like all over the points. Yeah, that's real, and 197 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: I like it impacted me in waves. So I think 198 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: when Lockdown first started, you know, I was just kind 199 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: of perplexed, like Okay, well, what's what's going to happen 200 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: with this universe? And had kind of these existential crises 201 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of like like you said, what is what is a wrap? 202 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: What is what is creativity? But then I remember, I 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: don't even remember what happened, but there was one day 204 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: where I suddenly felt this deep pain and I missed 205 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: the performance space. And it was like very specific things 206 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: like I missed writing my set list, like scribbling it 207 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: down at the beginning of the set, or I missed 208 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: like the sticky floors of dive bar. Yeah, you know, 209 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: like all of these kind of textual things that maybe 210 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: you don't immediately identify as like the most important part 211 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: of being an artist. But they add you know, they 212 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: add joy to your your experience. So I felt a 213 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: really acute pain in that particular moment, and so I 214 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: feel like it's it's ebbed and flowed. Um. But now 215 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: I feel much more purpose driven than I was at 216 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: the at the top of the thing. At the top, 217 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: it was like me and Mariah both recently started doing 218 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: shows again and stuff too. So you you will, you will, 219 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: you will enjoy it. It's it's like a vike. I'm 220 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: pretty sure my first show I played, though, I like 221 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: just forgot a lot of the lyrics because you're so 222 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: love the memory and you played so much you don't 223 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: worry about I got up there and I was like, 224 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: what is this song? Yeah, that's what I'm not trying 225 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: to say that to scare you know, but like, you know, 226 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I was way too high the first one that I 227 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: did back, like, I ran like my voice was shot. 228 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: After like the first verse of the first song, I 229 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: was like, oh, crap, I gotta go through thirty more minutes. 230 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: This is not gonna work practically, case on a physiological level, 231 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: like I actually I just went to a jazz uh 232 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: kind of show yesterday, and you know, the music was incredible, 233 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: but I was so focused on the performers because it 234 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: was like physically like they are just at the top 235 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: of their game to be able to do what they 236 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: were doing for thirty minutes straight, and it was stressing 237 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: me because I was like, dang, I haven't been really 238 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: will I be able to be in that kind of shape? 239 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Like my voice, my my memory like all that stuff. 240 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: How's it going to function in the when it's game time. 241 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: But it's good to know that you all have have 242 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: gotten back on the stage, like thank god. And it's 243 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: a little creeky and first of the cree you buy 244 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: such getting back on you know, I mean the ross 245 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of gears, but it goes like it's crazy. 246 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: One of the things that I like it was coming 247 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: to grips with during the pandemic and stuff, was how 248 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: much of being like an m C or artists whatever 249 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: you want to call it, Like, how much of that 250 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: was part of like my identity since I've been since 251 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: I was eighteen, you know, so like things like you 252 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: were just describing like the stickiness of a dive, but 253 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: like to me, that's like literally like yeah, that's life. 254 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's it's it's it's it's 255 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: suthing I identified with so much that I don't know, 256 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: like to finally get back on stage and to finally 257 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: be in those atmospheres again, I don't know. It feels 258 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: it feels like a wholeness is like return that that 259 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: wasn't there for a while. So it's spiritual. It's definitely, 260 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what we do as performers, I have a 261 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: new if anything came out of this, like in if 262 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: I feel really strongly positively about some part of this 263 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: is that I am recognizing the work that we do, 264 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: like the role that we do and not just making culture, 265 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: but like shaping people's real lives experiences like yeah, I'm sorry, 266 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: I didn't cut you. What would you say? No, I 267 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: was just saying shoutouts shout on the show. So that's 268 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: all good. Well, speaking of things that influence us and 269 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: shape us. You know, we are a music podcasts were 270 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: also politics podcast, so I had to ask about So 271 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you are the grand niece of the Prime Minister of 272 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: Congo Patrica MoMA, who advocated for self determination for the 273 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Congist people at a time as they were transitioning away 274 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: from clonialism. Ultimately, it was assassinated for his revolutionary ideas 275 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: and he was killed long before you were born. But 276 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: I wondered if his legacy has influenced you in anyway 277 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: and how that period in the Congo impacted your family history. Yes, sure, 278 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for that question. Um, And it's 279 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: funny because well maybe it's not funny, but my my dad, um, 280 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: he's I love my dad, but he's so um. I 281 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: don't have a better way to put it. He's like shady. 282 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: I love him, but he's like he just he won't 283 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: tell you what he's doing. Like he'll call you like 284 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm in South Africa. It's like okay, well what are 285 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: you doing and it's like click and then he'll be 286 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: support that type of stuff. So like when I was 287 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: a kid, he didn't really talk about this amazing figure 288 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: who was part of our shared history. I didn't. I 289 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: didn't have any understanding that I was connected to this person. 290 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: But it was actually like my history and social studies 291 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: teachers who would be like Lamamba, like are you there're 292 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: a relationship here? Like they would be like fan girling 293 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: and fan boying, and I didn't really understand, like what 294 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: was happening. So finally that produced like conversations with my 295 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: dad about like who is this person and like why 296 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: are people feeling this way about his legacy? And through 297 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: there I started to understand that just the radical importance 298 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: of him as a figure protected particularly I think in 299 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: in that era in the sixties, but then like globally 300 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: as this figure of resistance. Like for our listeners, do 301 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: you mind just like given like a brief little recap 302 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: of La Mumba was Yes. So Patrice Lammba was the 303 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: first democratically elected Prime Minister of the Congo UM and 304 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: he was really pushing for a kind of um anti colonialists. 305 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: They they wanted to be able to govern for themselves. 306 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: And Belgium was the I mean, had committed atrocities in 307 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: the scale of Holocaust UM and so he was kind 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of the figure who was able to push to that place. 309 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: And then he was assassinated in nineteen sixty one by 310 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: by the CIA, essentially UM for you know, inciting this 311 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of new political space. UM. So he really is 312 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: a figure and I realized that in going to the 313 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: continent in various countries that he remains a kind of 314 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: like revolutionary figure for UM thinking about freedom fighting and 315 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: then in terms of the like how that's shaped my work. Um, 316 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: I hadn't really completely thought about it until like I 317 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: was much older, and a lot of discussions about like 318 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: what kind of music you make came up specifically like 319 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever experienced this, Mariah, where 320 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: like being a woman in rap is a very interesting 321 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: space because you will often be positioned against women who 322 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: you don't even necessarily have. There's no beast, there's no 323 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: drama there, so people will be like, oh, thank god 324 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: you don't wrap like Cardi, or they'll they'll position women 325 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: who are coming from a particular lyrical tradition or intellectual 326 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: tradition against women who are coming from a space where 327 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: they may be making party music or like strip club 328 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: fantasy music, whatever that is. And so I really started 329 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: to think about, like why do I make the music 330 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: that I make? And I think part of it is 331 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: that I want to be in conversation with Lamombo these 332 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: ideas around um like what a free space would look 333 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: like for you know, black people, and um, like that's 334 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: what I'm drawn to the music for. Um. Of course, 335 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: everybody has their reasons, but I think that's part of 336 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: why I feel like I'm called to make that specific 337 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: brand of music. Although I would love to make some 338 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: party music at some point, I'm just bad at Like, yeah, 339 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: whether something is like a party joint or not is 340 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: strictly based on like who's taking it in you can 341 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: part it. I've I've listened to some of your stuff 342 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: and I felt like, man, this is some real feel 343 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: good Yeah. I mean like like like I wish I 344 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: could make that, So I appreciate it. I appreciate it. 345 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I thank you for asking that that question, 346 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: because it doesn't always come up out or come up um, 347 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: but it is an important threat I think that I'm 348 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: trying to gesture towards. So now I'm wondering, did you like, 349 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: did you grow up in the States? Yeah? Yeah, I 350 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: was born in upstate New York Keepsie and then grew 351 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: up in Ithaca. Um, so like too shitty upstate New 352 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: York down So I was like, why, parents, why are 353 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: you doing this? Like why? Um? And you know, especially 354 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: because they hate the cold, like they hate the cold 355 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: more than me. It's like, why would you do this? 356 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: The bag got to secure the bag, I guess, and 357 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the intellectual bag also not just like the bag bag 358 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: but like the you know right right, I mean, like yeah, 359 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: they're they're happy they had their their intellectual community, but 360 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: it is whole. So I grew up there and um yeah, 361 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: we we went back to visit family, not on my 362 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: dad's side, not in the Congo the first time and 363 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: the only time I've been to the Congo was in 364 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: for as part of my my dissertation research. But um, 365 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: and that's where I saw the love for Patrice Lamm 366 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: but like in practice, like his picture is still emblazoned places. Um. 367 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: But we visited family in the Ivory Coast, which is 368 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: where my mom is from. And I used to I 369 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: used to live in uh, Sierra Leone when I was 370 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: like when I was when I was As a matter 371 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: of fact, I think that's gonna go into one of 372 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: my rised questions coming up about ny Jamison. Yeah do 373 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: you know that about mac I did? Is this? God? Yeah? Wow? Yeah, 374 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: she's like really good friends with my mom and my dad. 375 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: And when I was a baby in Freetown, serle On, 376 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: like she she she nursed me for when I was 377 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: like really sick and like brought me to health. Then yeah, 378 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: yeah she's how was this just now coming up in 379 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: the conference, why was why was did you not leave? 380 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've just been wanting to hear you talk. 381 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: We we have like a lot in common the whole 382 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: time you've been talking and stuff like that. But my 383 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: mother's Liberian, my father's American. He worked in the State Department, 384 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: so that's how they met. And um, like the first 385 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: few years of my life, we were in Sierra Leone 386 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: and then Liberia. Then the war started, so we came 387 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: to the States and my mom wanted us. She like 388 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: after the war, she wanted to like go somewhere far 389 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: from Africa, so we went to Toronto for three years experience. 390 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: She experienced three years of Toronto summer. We lived in 391 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Africa till I was nineteen. Ever gonna to do it right? 392 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: What yo? I'm literally I'm shaking in my boots right now. 393 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: This is crazy, Like I this woman like since I 394 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: was a kid, Like I remember, my mom was very 395 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: intentional about introducing this woman to me, to give me 396 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: this real life superhero. I've gone to see her speaking 397 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: multiple times. That's so cool. I wish we could be 398 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: in person, so I touch your hand or something. I 399 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: had to bring that up sending you will get kicked 400 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: out of it. Thank you, bless the chat. Fool of 401 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: just firing like legacies that we're carrying on that it's funny, 402 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Like it's funny doing this show for the last two years. 403 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: Is that's been like my I guess, um awakening as 404 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: to how like revered a figure she is For me, 405 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: it's always been like, oh, yeah, you know, it just 406 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: family talking to Mariah, talking to other people. It's like, 407 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: oh wait, I guess, yeah, I guess that is kind 408 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: of a big deal. Like I mean, it's kind of 409 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: like can you think about like Blue Ivyes, he's just 410 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: like my mom is my mom is a Beyonce you 411 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like people who have these iconic 412 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: figures who are in their lives, but they're just you know, 413 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: the role that they take is just like caregiver, you know, 414 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: not just but it's caregiver or person I cuddle with 415 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: verse of my Like, let's transition into back to talking 416 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: about music a little bit. Um. Very interested in your 417 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: process of song creation because you're a producer. You started 418 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: off making beats first, is my understanding, and then you 419 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: brought in rapping. So I'm wondering how beats and rhymes 420 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: influence one another for you in that process of song creation. Yeah, 421 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: thank you for that. It's a great question. UM. So 422 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: I generally, like I've had to give some talks on songwriting, 423 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: so I've been thinking a lot about this UM recently, 424 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: but I don't really UM and I don't know if 425 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: other m cs do this, but I don't really start 426 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: with words for I can't. I have to have a 427 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: beat that i'm writing towards or two. UM. I think 428 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: maybe one time in my life have I ever had 429 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: words form and then try to craft something to fit 430 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: those those words? UM. Generally, I feel like it's such 431 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: an embodied experience of listening that your flow emerges from 432 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: like how you're moving, UM, to the to the production. 433 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: So I usually will produce something not with a with 434 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: a a kind of like content in mind for what 435 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: I want to say, and maybe something will come up 436 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: in that moment. Maybe I just put it in, you know, 437 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: put it away, put set it aside, and then when 438 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: something emerges for me as a topic, it's like, okay, 439 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: let me go back and see what's there that can 440 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: kind of like fit with this thing. So UM, definitely 441 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: the beat shapes the uh flow and generally what I'm 442 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: talking about or speaking towards um, although I do I 443 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: do want to trouble that a little bit, like with 444 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: what we were talking about with party music, you know, like, 445 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: is there a way I want to be more experimental 446 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: in the future with taking sounds that I associate with 447 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: sort of like fun, care free existence and mapping that 448 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: onto you know, my songs about insecurity or whatever whatever 449 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: other like mental health crisis I'm dealing. Can I marry 450 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: these two things together in a in a more experimental way. 451 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Definitely can. And like I think that's like the that's 452 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: the cheat code, you know, it's just like it's it's 453 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: there's like there's something about the quality of like that 454 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: sort of music, like you know, from an instrumental standpoint, 455 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of just it lures people in that I 456 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: think once you have them, you can be talking about 457 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: whatever the funk you want in between it, and you 458 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying there there, you're you're gonna be 459 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: able to if your intention is to like persuade or 460 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: to turn heads or to give insight or whatever, wrapping 461 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: on the stuff that you would think you shouldn't wrap on, 462 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: to wrap that sort of stuff too. I think that's 463 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: like that's the key moving forward, so I can't wait 464 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: to hear it. I was just gonna ask um, like, 465 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: who are some influences that you have, just like m 466 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: m c wise or even producer wise. Okay, so m 467 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: c wise, I would say, kind of in like my 468 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: my immediate frame of reference. I really like open Mike 469 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: Eagle a lot like he to me. It's just like 470 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: he's so introspective. I feel like I understand the contours 471 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: of his brain through his musical exactly. Like he's he's 472 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: very um Like when I teach, I'm always telling my 473 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: students about like specificity, like be specific, be specific, and 474 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: I think Mike Eagles very specific like his his references 475 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: give you a real snapshot into who he is as 476 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: like a thinker and a person. Um. So he's definitely 477 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: somebody that I appreciate. I also really like um more mother. Uh, 478 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: she's she's kind of like noise wrap punk god. Like 479 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: her description on a band camp is so amazing to 480 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: me because it's just like, hold, I gotta pull this 481 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: up because it always we play like new like clips 482 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: for music for people on the show all the times, 483 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: introducing a net Yes, So she calls herself low fi, 484 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: dark rap, chill step, black Girl Blues, which rap, coffee Shop, 485 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Riot Girls song, Southern Girl, Diddy's black Ghost, like where 486 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: who I Throw the money? So like she she's really 487 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: dope because she's just interweaving all of these kind of 488 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: like sonic spaces in her work, and she she is 489 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: a producer as well. She works with free jazz artists. 490 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Like she's just very she doesn't care about boundaries, And 491 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: I think that's really compelling to me as as an 492 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: insane and obviously Mariah, I'm a fan. I think that 493 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: you're like so incredible and just brilliant and and such 494 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: a great performer too, which is not always like being 495 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: able to hear it and then also see it. Has 496 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: I got, you know, some minutes after this is somewhere 497 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: I can just go join. Thank you so much for that. 498 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: That means a lot, because I do look up to 499 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: you a great deal and love be music as well. Um, 500 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: And actually, you know, one way I want to ask 501 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: you about because like people ask me about this all 502 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: the time, and so and I read in an interview 503 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: I think it was with loud and quiet, and they 504 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: just I view was exercising your demons through music, And 505 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: I wondered if you actually if you would describe it 506 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: that way, because and I feel like that's an interesting 507 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: why people often characterize music that is about very vulnerable topics. Yeah, 508 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: that um, exercising my demons. I think I appreciate you 509 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: like maybe like pushing back against that that framing, because 510 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean it definitely has felt like a survival mechanism, 511 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: like I have to express this or I'm going to 512 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: explode or implode, like they're a kind of desperation around 513 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: having to speak to that um. But as far as exercising, 514 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: like I mean, the demons are still there, first of all, 515 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, like that's just gonna be there. But I 516 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: think it is about like maybe like chatting with the 517 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: devas or like being being you know, being conversation or 518 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: exposing them rather than like through the music. I'm not, 519 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't feel this anymore. Like that's not the case 520 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: I think for for those of us who struggle within 521 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: these you know, whether it's a chemical imbalance or a 522 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: particular situation or a lifelong and trauma that you're dealing with, 523 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Like the idea that there's sort of an end to it, 524 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: you release it into the world and then it's no 525 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: longer with you. Is not necessarily how I would characterize 526 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the musical process for me, but it is it is. 527 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: It provides a lens. Like when I make a music 528 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: about the thing, I think I can see it for 529 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: what it is, like articulate what is going on, and 530 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: maybe understand it a little bit better. But I don't 531 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: know if it's if it's exercised, like I appreciate the 532 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: word what you wor did that talking to the demons 533 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: and like, you know, like you're just having conversation and 534 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: understanding them better. And I think the idea of like 535 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: demonizing our troubles even like it's not very rare to 536 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: feel depression. It's odd rare to feel these things, so 537 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: like they're not necessarily like evil forces to be cast out. 538 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: They're just right human things that are demonized because we 539 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: don't talk about them, and then you talk about them, 540 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: so then they for other people also are demonized. Making 541 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: the song is the act of talking about it, like 542 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's the um. So you're 543 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be going out on the road soon, right, 544 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: because we were talking earlier about you got some shows 545 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: coming up, I do, but you can hear you hear 546 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: the stress of my voice. Um. Yeah, So I'm gonna 547 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: be in May. I have some shows on the well. 548 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: I have one show up here in New England and 549 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: then uh four shows with a friend of mine, Mega Rand. 550 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: I think actually you might have h He's great. He's 551 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: just such a supportive, um like music friend. He always 552 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: will put you on. He's always going to figure out 553 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: a way to to like help out the homies. So 554 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: he actually he want to go on a longer tour, 555 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, I can only do four days, 556 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: Like your girl is rusty, Like, just let me do 557 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: my week and come home and reassess. So I'll be 558 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: on the West Coast for four days and then I 559 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: have one more show in New England and then it's 560 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: like I chill, which feels like a good a nice 561 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: first um like entrance back into it. Like if I 562 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: had two or three weeks, I feel like I'd be 563 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: broken down by by the top of week two. I 564 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: don't think I ever want to do more than a 565 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: week ever. Again, I didn't realize how better that was 566 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: from my mental health before until I stopped it, and 567 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: I was like, I've become more. I think that's I 568 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: think that's because like the natural state, like the older 569 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: you get when you're if you're still in the game, 570 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, you eventually get to a point where it's like, man, 571 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: I think a good week log runs about the max 572 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: for me because I remember back in Yo. I think 573 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: this was going on tour for like a month and 574 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: ship like you're coming back with all kinds of crazy bills, 575 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: like just all completely out of whack and yeah, like 576 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: it was like punds from eating fast food all the time. Yeah, man, 577 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's a rough rough. I mean, yeah, 578 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: that that part for sure, Like I don't think I 579 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: can really deal with all of the my my older 580 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: body is just like girl, no, it's not it. That's 581 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: why I was super impressed at the super Bowl, like 582 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: all these old bas niggas like Snoopy and like Dr 583 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: Gray like up there like holding down like that's really like, 584 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: but I was I saw some behind the scenes thing 585 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: and I forget it was it. It was either Red 586 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: Man or Method Man or it was like dip set, 587 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: but it was like them like recently and they're on 588 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: the tour bus after a show and they're like, yo, 589 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: there's so much Ben Gay on this bus right now, 590 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: We're all that's where stuff. How far away is? Uh? 591 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: How far I was? I was looking at my tour 592 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: dad saying if I was going to be anywhere near 593 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be like in 594 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: New hamp Yeah. So one of these dates, one of 595 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: these dates so listeners can go out find tickets and 596 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: come see you and experience thank you. Yeah, I don't 597 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: even know. I'm like, I'm going on tour at some point. 598 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: Let me like actually pull that up. Um, So the 599 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: date the tour starts on um May thirteen at the 600 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: Waking Windows Festival in Vermont, and then the May is 601 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: the West Coast Seattle down to San Diego, and then 602 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: May nineteen, I'll be in New Hampshire and then back 603 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: home for people who haven't heard your music before. So 604 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna go You're about to get back on the 605 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: road after a hiatus not being on the road, so 606 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have a lot of fans and a 607 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: lot of people who have been following you that are 608 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: now going to get the chance to see you again. 609 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: So what is like, what are like two of the 610 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: songs two of the joints where you feel, oh man, 611 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: I gotta do these if if people are gonna be 612 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: coming there to see me and they've been listening to 613 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: my music over the years. Uh so, I mean I 614 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: perform a song called ten a d P if I 615 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: think at every show chan who had to be comfortable here? 616 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: I never feel like I'm allowed to breathe rubbins should 617 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: nerds with the old nerds rocket swin of them, just 618 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: because I think it's important. I feel like you were 619 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: saying right, just that this to create a space where 620 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: people can see someone in conversation with the difficult parts 621 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,959 Speaker 1: of their their experience. Um so I do that song. 622 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: And then there's another song it's not released yet, and 623 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: I um wants to like, you know, at some point 624 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: I need to record this thing. But it's a song 625 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: called two Hands, and it's almost I've framed it as 626 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: a response to ten a DP in the sense that, um, 627 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, like uh, I started to have this kind 628 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: of weird thing happened at shows where people would be 629 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: like do ten a DP, or like do your depression song, 630 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: and it's like wait a minute, like I don't this 631 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: doesn't feel good. This doesn't feel good being asked to 632 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: just like like perform the pain, like come through and 633 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: perform your pain for us. Like that felt weird. So 634 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, like there's this weird exploitative 635 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: element that can come up when you're being vulnerable. So 636 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: I wrote two Hands, which is a song about just 637 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: like the things that I find joy in even being 638 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: a broken person. It's like there's still things that just 639 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: the fact that we can create is actually fucking and 640 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: cry able, like that's wild that we can make stuff 641 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: from our brains, and then people will sit with it 642 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: like what the hell. So that's what the song is about. 643 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: And I like to perform it after ten a d 644 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: P to be like right now people looking it can 645 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: only hear that at a show. Yeah, but it will. 646 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: It will be recorded at some point soon and all 647 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: the all the the rest of the songs on this 648 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: next project, it will be on the Well, get out 649 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: there and go through some of these shows if you're nearby. Also, 650 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: I just want to say about quick when you said 651 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: two hands, I thought of that line from body morphe 652 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: You're like, I thought like clop of black, I got 653 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: on p of all the Hands. I was like Oh, 654 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: she doesn't been all the way. It's like really getting 655 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: which maybe that's the continent of the song. I don't know. 656 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: I guess I gotta come to one of your shelves 657 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: so you're not so where can imry? Wait? Where can 658 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: people find I'm just gonna I'm closing up to I 659 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: was just gonna say, wherehere can people find you if 660 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: they're looking for you online? Uh? So I have been 661 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: really trash about posting, like so you can. You can 662 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: see my Instagram posts from like me, it's Samy's music. 663 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: Everything is Samy's music A S A M M U 664 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: S music. UM. And I'm trying to you know, this 665 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: is another part of the anxiety of being an artist 666 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: that you have to be very online, you know, so 667 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: like you know, dealing with that, like, oh, I have 668 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: to promote the shows on the tour. I need to 669 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: probably tell people that there is a tour coming. Um. 670 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: So I'll be a little bit more online over the 671 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: next month or so, and then you can just go 672 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: to Sama's music dot com for my music stuff and 673 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: then in ago dash lk dot com to go see 674 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: my like other stuff that I'm working, things that I'm 675 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: writing about like that kind of stuff. Well, thank you 676 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure. Um, 677 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: good luck out there. You know, treat yourself well away 678 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: on the road and in general general. Everyone, Yeah, for sure. 679 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: And if y'all, If y'all are ever like providences between 680 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: Boston and New York, so if you're going or planning 681 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: an East Coast tour, like, just plan a stop in 682 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: Providence and we can let's like figure out a show 683 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: for y'all. Ah, you thought that we were about to 684 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: do a music discussion, didn't you send music discussion being Now, 685 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: I promise we'll get into the music. We'll do a 686 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: music discussion, unlike the next episode or something like that. 687 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: We haven't done one of those in a long time. 688 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: But that was Sam Macio. That was like it's been 689 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: so long, just like knowing about her and being in 690 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: the same places that she's been in that to have 691 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: like a conversation with her for the first time, that 692 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: was dope. Um. I will be on the road next week. 693 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: You can go on my Instagram page Dope Underscore Knife 694 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: and check out those dates. But if memory does serve, 695 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: I do believe I'm gonna be in the Shua New 696 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: Hampshire on April. That's gonna be an issue of Garden 697 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, I just check for the rest of those days. 698 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: I think Troy, New York is gonna be the next 699 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: day and so and so forth. You can find all 700 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: that stuff. Um On Friday tomorrow for y'all, I'm gonna 701 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: be dropping a new song with my homie Miles Bulling 702 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: and it's called It's Not Always Sunshine. And instead of 703 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: the freestyle wraps, that's what we're gonna play for you 704 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: guys today. So I'm gonna let that take you home. 705 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Let's hit it shows. It's not all sunshine, It's not 706 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: always show. Sometimes it's dark, smoke clouds burning down the field, 707 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: coated and bust green copper stain trenched into renso downpouring 708 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: out my flame. I wish I felt boring for a change. 709 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: Fuck Dirty, please stop men's knocking. He's dropping out of school. 710 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: Du Drugs called it cool. I stayed though, hanging by 711 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: a threat. And when my friends O Deana saw that 712 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: life was fucking cool. And I'm surprised that on my debt, 713 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: Dirty fit feeling. Only an attic knows when you can't 714 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: get your way those issues and substances get misused, and 715 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: you no longer taste food, smell flowers, or hear birds 716 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: emotions on you. You see mouths but can't hear words, 717 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: and you need out, but need the key first. Bravery 718 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: a balancing act full of love and full of dangerous waters. 719 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: Waiting on unstable tables reminds me of relationships, because they're 720 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: rarely holding up, and you're the best service. And the 721 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,919 Speaker 1: wren was always paid in tips. You bounced in place 722 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: to place like a sailor of the land, docking up 723 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: at courts, trusting strangers, changing plans. It takes bravery to 724 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: start again again again again. You have mastered new beginnings. 725 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: It takes bravery to start again. You were mastering the 726 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: beginnings all sunshine. Sometimes to be bread, some time to 727 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: child sold you leave your grandma dad, you want some answer, 728 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: to go and get your damn palm bread. Negativity be 729 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: firsting out my black ball. It's cancerous. Who's gonna be 730 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: the last of us? And I'll meet God? I asked 731 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: him this. Even if it's blashomissus, we'd be so dismayed. 732 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: So we're afraid. Why low tabletless wish my dad, homies 733 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: come back like they was lace arous, something to a 734 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: pit and focus bottomless and free falling. Hope them faster 735 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: than my problems. But they keep calling, looking at the 736 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: nicest folk, caught up in the ice and dope. But 737 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm fortunate that my own dragon. It's a light to smoke, moke. 738 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: I wish I could take the pain away. I know 739 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: you are the same as maid, pack it up and 740 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: saving for a rainy day. I don't believe it help. 741 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: It's still ignoring where it's the same, and say they 742 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: be leaving shells. They just bload it up and aim 743 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: and spray that there's the high cost of living when 744 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: you think about it, I'm cheap, probably a cowward, and 745 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: I think about it in clouds around my crown, and 746 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: they leave me some round and scared of new beginnings. 747 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: But it's bravery. When bravery start again again the Jain again. 748 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: You were mastered New Beginnings. You were mastered New Beginnings. 749 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 1: It sakes bravery to start again and again the Jain again. 750 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: You were mastered New Beginnings. Shot you were mastered New Beginnings. 751 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: Sunshine Sun Show and do Tony Move with Franca And 752 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: you were listening to Waiting on reparations, See you next week. 753 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, 754 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.