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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode could date spoilers for the first season

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Speaker 1: of Dune Prophecy on HBO, and of course the wider

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Speaker 1: Dude Cannon be warned.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Jason Concepcio and I'm a busafar.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep, deeper than a sad word. It's your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture coming to you

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Speaker 1: from our podcast will Ward bring you three episodes a

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Speaker 1: week every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are joined once again by Jason

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Speaker 3: and h from Escape Patch formerly known as Dune Pod

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Speaker 3: to talk about Dune Prophecy season one in its entirety.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys for joining us. Lovely to have you back.

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Speaker 4: It's a delight, thank you for having us back to

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Speaker 4: talk about this very important piece of pop culture.

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Speaker 5: Dive right into it. Can we just take a minute

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Speaker 5: and give a shout out to the goat and say

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Speaker 5: rest in power our Dune King David Lynch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great, even with even with all the changes,

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Speaker 1: an absolutely unique vision that I think is stands on

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Speaker 1: its own as a just an incredible imagining of that

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Speaker 1: world and some of the things honestly like the navigators

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Speaker 1: feel like that's what they should look like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 4: I think I think he defined parts of the Dune

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Speaker 4: universe straight out of his imagining. That made it more

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Speaker 4: vivid than even what's in the book. Even though the

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Speaker 4: movie is beloved by bayouts, I'm getting choked up. No,

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Speaker 4: even though the movie is beloved, it was a failure.

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Speaker 4: But still his imprint on the Dune universe is eternal,

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Speaker 4: and these just a tremend this visionary director.

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Speaker 6: So we will miss him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love you, David.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's so, guys, season one of Dune Prophecy in

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Speaker 1: the books. Yes, we expect to season two. I think

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Speaker 1: we should. You know, season two will be coming. Our

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Speaker 1: thoughts now that this has we have finished six episodes,

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Speaker 1: not a tremendous amount of runway to get a story

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Speaker 1: as this one is spanning multiple time frames, the past,

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Speaker 1: the president in some of the future. Your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: season one, Well.

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Speaker 5: So we were you know, we were a little nervous

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Speaker 5: into the world. But Obviously, we were nervous that it

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Speaker 5: was not based on some of Frank's works. Jason and

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Speaker 5: I have not read unlike Abou, you know, we're only

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Speaker 5: right with the original showrunner getting fired and then the

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Speaker 2: We're like, yes, this is gonna be incredible.

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Speaker 5: Then he leaves, and so it's we were sort of

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Speaker 5: But then there were just also some misses, which I

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Speaker 5: Just some of the feeling unanchored, and I think it's

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Speaker 5: largely related to the way that they laid it out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to build on that, my take is

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Speaker 6: Like the show is just not that good.

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Speaker 4: Like it's got some huge head. We have a podcast

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Speaker 4: that was formly called Dune, And like my repeated feeling

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Speaker 6: Whom is this show?

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Speaker 4: Because like, you know, it's just it wasn't there There

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Speaker 4: The show is just very clunky and not that good.

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Speaker 4: There's they've kind of got Denny Villeneuve's Dune, like all

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Speaker 6: To write better. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Aaboo your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: You know, I would echo that sentiment as well. I

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Speaker 3: the storytelling, the writing is where it fell short for me,

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Speaker 3: and six episodes just wasn't enough time to tell the stories,

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Speaker 3: Episode six I think was actually even ninety minutes and

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Speaker 3: what it's worth, I think, like living in the shadow

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Speaker 2: Difficult place to live in.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so to be given the directive that here's

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Speaker 3: make it just as good that is that is a

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Speaker 1: My take very similar to all of yours. I think

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Speaker 1: and parts of episode six. It felt, you know, another

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Speaker 5: Was my This was my biggest problem with the show, right,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's this classic thing of Hollywood over indexing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's also especially because like young Volley is

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Speaker 5: By the way nobody thought to empty the bar of

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Speaker 6: The rebellion is very sloppy.

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Speaker 3: Guys, Why is your spice just upstairs?

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Speaker 3: Sister MICHAELA, Why are your robes hidden in the same

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is like this is how like my wife

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Speaker 4: like Karen has this problem bad, Like he comes back

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Speaker 6: Bombs, like out On doesn't put anything else. Someone will,

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Speaker 6: Someone will spruce that up.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem, Jason.

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Speaker 3: You said this, Uh, when I think we talked about

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Speaker 3: episode four, Jason Concepcion, You and I were doing that episode,

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Speaker 3: and you said something that just stuck in my mind

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Speaker 2: It feels like so many of the.

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Speaker 1: Poor Mark Strong playing Mark.

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Speaker 4: Mark Strong needs to listen to that Zuck Rogan interview

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Speaker 1: Think about we put.

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Speaker 6: A little bit of more land in this.

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Speaker 4: He needs to get a gold chain and go bow

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, that's a good it's a

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Speaker 1: He's not supposed to be like he's more of like

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Speaker 1: I will say, I think that there is a road

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Speaker 1: to make all of this feel much more propulsive and

438
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: character driven, if you know, there's just something really interesting

439
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: about it. Or organization that has built itself on the

440
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: idea that they give the best advice in the galaxy.

441
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: They know when people are lying, but secretly it's all

442
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: chat GBT like that is that is giving, Like that's cool,

443
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: that's funny. The idea that that could be found out

444
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: by the Emperor or anybody else that they're trying to

445
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: get on their you know, as technicians of whatever. This uh,

446
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: this sentient AI is telling them to do that. They're

447
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: still getting up to speed with how to how to

448
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: give this advice in the way that they're being advised

449
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: to do. I think all of that is interesting, and

450
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: maybe there's a way that they can drill down on

451
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: that as a as a as a point of conflict,

452
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, we've built up this illicit

453
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: trade in technology is as one of the main drivers

454
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: of story here. How about plugging that into the character

455
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and make it something, make it a make it it's

456
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: it is ostensible a secret, but it's one that we

457
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: don't feel as like under any kind of threat. How

458
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: about we put that secret under threats absolutely.

459
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 5: With Aniro busted by Lilah, Like, is it backed up

460
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: to Azure? Yeah?

461
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, they got they got, they gotta, they gotta. They

462
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 6: got a version on a hard.

463
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: Disk somewhere they could repoot from. Okay, I And I mean,

464
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: so they're gonna go to Aracus like a version of

465
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: this that would be kind of compelling and also work

466
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 4: for lower reasons. Is that you know, we know that

467
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 4: the Benny Jazerich go to Aracus at some point in

468
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 4: time and see the missionary of Productiva, this his you know,

469
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: this this this lisan Algay myth that a messiah will

470
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 4: come and liberate the freemen. We know the Freemen exist

471
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: at this time already on Oracus. It would be interesting if,

472
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 4: like Valia's machinations on Oracus in this time and she

473
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: tries to figure out what went on with Desmond actually

474
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 4: end up seeding that that religion as well, if like

475
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: the entire religion of the Freemen was chat ept in

476
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: some sense, right, They're like, oh, we got to manipulate

477
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 4: these people. It's like our anrel's like tell them about

478
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: the Messaiah, you know, and like gave them, you know,

479
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: gave them something, you know, gave them something like that.

480
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: That could be that could be fun. I like this

481
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: idea that like there's that this this society is driven

482
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: against technology, but in the background, the technology is actually

483
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: pulling the string still.

484
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 6: And like it could still be the case, like in

485
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 6: the universe that we know later that that was true.

486
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 5: That that actually shocked me, right, like that that idea

487
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: that they had a thinking machine like that. I had

488
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 5: never considered that for the Bena Jezerit, so I actually

489
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: thought that was one unique and cool idea.

490
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, then that is lore correct, right boot.

491
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: That is more accurate even as far as Frank Kurbert's

492
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: books go, because when books, I.

493
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 5: Don't think I realized that where was that discussed?

494
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 6: In the end.

495
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: It is a single line in a very dense and

496
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: convoluted book called Heretics of Dune, which is the fifth

497
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: book series. There's a single reference to the Benny Jesuit

498
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: secretly have had computers this whole time, and I've been

499
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 3: breaking the rules this whole time.

500
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I honestly love it. Here's my refined elevator

501
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: pitch for HBO Max doing Prophecy season two.

502
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: Ready, let's hear it.

503
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: The war against the computers has been one, or has it?

504
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: There is a surviving AI, and this group, the Sisterhood,

505
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: believes that they have this genie in a bottle. They're

506
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: pulling on the string. They're completely in control. They're getting

507
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: the information they need so they can build up there

508
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: their organization and take control of the galaxy. But what

509
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: if this AI is, as a survivor of the old times,

510
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: is plotting to rebuild itself, and it's got its twins

511
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: somewhere on Iracus also plotting in conjunction with it. And

512
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: now you've got value having to make a choice one

513
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: building up an organization while two keeping this genie in

514
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: its fucking bottle.

515
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, it's good. Colossus the Value Project. I love it.

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 6: That's a banger. Let's go. I really like it. I

517
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 6: like this idea.

518
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: And again, I would just start with a page that

519
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: says Volia and Tula, what are they doing this season?

520
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 6: And that should be eighty to ninety percent of what

521
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 6: they're doing.

522
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: And if it's working against the AI, great, if it's

523
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: like trying to figure out the mystery and racis great.

524
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: But I would I would center just so much of

525
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: the story on that. I don't need to see any

526
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: more Carinos. I don't know what they're doing. I don't it,

527
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: just like none of it matters. None of it mattered,

528
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: like the princess escaping because of the face dancer. All

529
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: that nonsense was completely I can't believe that anyone wrote

530
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 4: that on a page and like someone agreed to go

531
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: shoot it.

532
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 6: It's like no one stopped as why does this matter

533
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 6: at all? It doesn't.

534
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: It didn't matter, and so they could just scrap all

535
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: of that and focus on this much more directed story

536
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: that is about Valia and Tula and the AI that

537
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: they've got to try to figure out is it they

538
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: are they controlling it and using it for their ads

539
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 4: or is it still actually in control.

540
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 6: I love that story.

541
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: They should make decisions that make sense, though, right, like

542
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: instead of being in service to the environs a plot,

543
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 5: Yeah right, saying I'm going to operate from the shadows,

544
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: so I'll go to the center of the universe, the

545
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 5: most important planet, and that's where I'm hide. It's like, well,

546
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. That doesn't quite make sense.

547
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: As the as the low Master, m h. What would

548
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: you like to see and what would you say to

549
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: the producers of A of A season two of doing

550
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Prophecy just as a as a north Star as a

551
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: load star for them?

552
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, Well before I say that, I do want

553
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: to say, as much as I love your Elevator pitch, Jason,

554
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: the books don't treat it that way, and if they

555
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: continue to work off the Brian Herbert source material, unlikely

556
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: that we will get. I actually think andrewl is like

557
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: dead dead. There are no backups on any hard drives

558
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: or any A W S servers out there, and what

559
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: we're going to see now is a dorite of Volia's

560
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: schism within the Sisterhood, which is which is kind of

561
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: where the books go. Where what I want to see

562
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: season two go. I agree with what y'all have said,

563
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: like pick a lane. First of all, Tula and Balia

564
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: are very much your strongest characters. And for what it's worth,

565
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: the showrunner Alison Chapter has said, Tula and Bali are

566
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: the heart of this show. I didn't feel that this season.

567
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: I want to feel that next season. I want I

568
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: want them to be the actual heart of this show,

569
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: to spend the most time with them and their decision

570
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: making and the challenges that they're facing. I think what

571
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: I would like for this show to do in a

572
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: second season is to focus less on lore, which I

573
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: felt like this first season was really mired in. You know,

574
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: we got to explain to Jason to your point about

575
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: everything being literal. You know, we got to explain this,

576
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: We got to show you the origins of that. We

577
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: gotta blah blah blah. You know, let's throw in an

578
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: Easter egg about the Xian's and let's have a face

579
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: dancer in here, which well, you know, don't worry about it.

580
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: That will matter later in a future season, there's a

581
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: lot of sort of I hesitate to call it fan

582
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: service because I know we have this group has thoughts

583
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: on fan service that maybe we don't all agree on,

584
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: but like it felt like very heavy handed fan service

585
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: for people like me, and I didn't need that. What

586
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: I needed was for an excellent story, a well written story,

587
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: and a compelling story, which I didn't think I got

588
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: in season two. I would like for the story to

589
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: focus on themes and themes that matter to the Dune universe,

590
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: to your point, Chase, and like this idea of the

591
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: human relationship with technology. Frank Herbert had a lot to

592
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: say about that. Even Brian Herbert's novels explore that relationship

593
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: a lot. I would like the show to explore that

594
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: more fully and kind of like say it with your chest,

595
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, like, yes, you tap danced around some themes

596
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: in this first season, but you never really commented or

597
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: had anything to say about any of them outside of

598
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: fear being sort of a motivator for a lot of

599
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: the characters. So I guess I would like the second

600
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: season to focus on pick a Lane, focus on Toul

601
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: and Volley as our main characters, and pick some pick

602
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: some thematic points to on luck that are pertinent to

603
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: this universe in the story, and don't worry, like, don't

604
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: explain Lord to me. As a Dune fan, I love Lor.

605
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't need the Lord explained to me, and I

606
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: honestly don't think the general audience also wants Lord.

607
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 6: Throw or here's it, here's an alternative pitch.

608
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: I got one the the the Rebel Alliance bar got

609
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: blown up, right, and somehow Desmonds survived. What if season

610
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: two is they're opening a new brupub, like a new gastro,

611
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: the Acundas, and it's like Sandwich the Bear, the Bear

612
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: meets Doom Prophecy, and it's just like, you know what

613
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: it takes to open a restaurant in this world where

614
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: you've got to contend with all these different factions.

615
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and where to hide your spice and where to

616
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 6: hide your Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Jason, Jason.

617
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 5: For me, it's almost simpler, Like I would love to

618
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 5: know by the end of season two, what prophecy, like,

619
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: what is it referring to? Like did that get answered

620
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: to you in any way? Is this Paul?

621
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 6: Is this the god Emperor? Is this Desmond?

622
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 5: Like? What are we doing here? Yeah?

623
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I think that is a to dangle that question that

624
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: won't be answered for ten thousand fictional years at least.

625
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I think was not necessary because you're setting up an

626
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: expectation of a thing that will surely absolutely not happen

627
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: in this story at all, right, right, And so I

628
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: thought that was, you know, kind of a mistake. Give

629
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: me a prophecy about things that are going to happen

630
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: in this story, you.

631
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, even if Alia thinks they're happening to this story,

632
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: we're listening here going out. Nope, that's not it.

633
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 4: I think the move away from calling the show Dune's

634
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: Sisterhood was a mistake. Like, I think it should have

635
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: remained being called sisterhood. Should have been about the schism

636
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: in the sisterhood, should have been about like would have

637
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: focus in on the value tool of the story. Instead,

638
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: they set up this mystery box problem, which, like as

639
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: you say, is solvable to them. So I think I

640
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: would have done it. I would have just stuck with

641
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: what you know, because the sister is in lessly interesting.

642
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: The best part of the show was Volya just going

643
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: super scion like and just that's just like just take

644
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: out your sword, like, yes.

645
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 6: Tell me tell me more, mother, what are we doing?

646
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: Like it's great, like and became a standout like there

647
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: are the accolades have potential. A lot of the young

648
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: cast has so much potential in the show. Yeah, and

649
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: they are and they aren't given the space to cook

650
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: on screen.

651
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 5: Can I can I ask you about that, Abu, because

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Speaker 5: that's like a this is a big question to me.

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Speaker 5: In the Dune books, the voice is never used in

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Speaker 5: this way. And to me, this was like a big

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Speaker 5: mistake that he made in Dune Part one when Jessica

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Speaker 5: instead of kind of distracting the guards and then getting out,

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Speaker 5: you know, the order to kill yourself. And then now

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Speaker 5: they've taken this like to eleven.

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Speaker 4: That it's it's just pure like you have on everyone's

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Speaker 4: like you can just make them do anything.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's kind of.

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Speaker 5: That kind of undoes the core philosophy of what Frank

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Speaker 5: was trying to communicate in the first place with the voice, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean Frank Herbert like famously said that

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Speaker 6: Right, that is what the is.

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Speaker 3: It is the tone of voice where you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: tells me right now, and that and the Benny Jesuit

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Speaker 3: in this fictional universe have honed and crafted that to

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Speaker 3: be able to do that on many people, to influence

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Speaker 3: their decisions. But yes, it is, you know, as cool

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Speaker 3: as it was to see Volliott just kind of like

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Speaker 3: trip over themselves, that it breaks all sense of the

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Speaker 3: lore in many ways, which, to be fair, like the

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Speaker 3: Brian Herbert books do as well. You know, Laura kind

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Speaker 3: of gets thrown out and go when you get get

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Speaker 3: to those books, and so yeah, yeah, I mean it does.

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Speaker 3: But if they just I think if you can stick

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Speaker 3: to some thematic elements that make Frank Herbert's story so interesting,

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Speaker 3: then the rest of this falls into place. But I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of this show is driven by plot

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Speaker 3: rather than its themes or ideas, and so then a

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of what happens has to just

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Speaker 6: To work to watch.

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Speaker 4: I need to work on my dad voice because I

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Speaker 4: told my six year old to do something the other

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Speaker 4: day and he came he came back with a literal

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Speaker 4: and I quote you need to quit your yappin, which was.

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Speaker 6: It was so stunned by it took me.

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Speaker 5: It took me.

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Speaker 6: It was like the reverse voice.

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Speaker 1: With a Well, it's been a delight to have you here,

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Speaker 1: as as always, where can we find you Jason and.

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Speaker 5: H you'll us anywhere you listen to your podcast. Escape

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Speaker 5: Hatch is out next week as this episode is dropping.

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Speaker 5: We have Rosy Night on the podcast Constantine Jason Constant.

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Speaker 1: What a wonderful film.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Tilda and Keanu so and many great episodes we

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Speaker 5: got coming up. We've got Tinker Tailor, Soldier Spy, The Godfather,

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Speaker 5: Too Fast, Too Furious, Wow, Too Fast, to Furious, got

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Speaker 5: Father and Too Fast Furious really occupy the same cinematic.

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Speaker 6: The god Father the next week.

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Speaker 5: Next week, that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well we contained multitudes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, thanks ad for joining us. That's been it

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Speaker 1: for this episode. Bye everybody, Thank you. X ray Vision

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