Speaker 1: Hello, social salutes, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Lee Lamar, and today we'll be discussing
Speaker 1: the Laurence smith Fields Detectives the death of Moses J. Moseley,
Speaker 1: a hot fugitive in the UK. Oh a twin getting
Speaker 1: off for murder after the other confesses. Jody, who's in
Speaker 1: truant and Moore and y'all cats out of the bag.
Speaker 1: Our co host, Teddy Mellencamp is a contestant on Celebrity
Speaker 1: Big Brother. This is insane. Okay, this is insane, So
Speaker 1: she's out, but she'll be back soon. Don't worry, do
Speaker 1: not fret my pets. The first episode aired last night,
Speaker 1: so make sure to tune in. And of course, I've
Speaker 1: always got with me my friend sometimes Dmitri Hello, sometimes
Speaker 1: Dmitri Hello, Lea, how are you? I'm fabulous. I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know I'm taking over for Teddy
Speaker 1: with a hoodie today. I'm I know, I'm wearing a sweatcher.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the best of both worlds. Turn brother. Wow.
Speaker 1: Can't you imagine if we did a Freaky Friday? Oh boy?
Speaker 1: And lucky for us, we do have a guest co
Speaker 1: host today who's absolutely incredible. She's a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: she's hilarious stand up comedian, she's one of the co
Speaker 1: hosts of the very popular podcast Girls Got to Eat
Speaker 1: with Rina Greenberg, and she's currently missed of an international tour.
Speaker 1: It's my friend, Ashley Hasseltine. I, Um, I hate to
Speaker 1: start out on this note, but it is. I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it, and I felt it immediately in my bones.
Speaker 1: I thought I ruined this already, and my name is
Speaker 1: not even but I just let her go with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my very close friend whose name I definitely know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce. So it's okay because I have close friends
Speaker 1: that still get it wrong for me, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I can. I felt your anxiety right where you
Speaker 1: said it, and I was like, is she gonna get
Speaker 1: it right now? It's okay? Yeah? Do you every time
Speaker 1: this happens to You're like, you're just waiting to correct someone? Well,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't like to correct people. I just
Speaker 1: like I feel like correcting me, so I always do.
Speaker 1: Just I don't get off on it. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh, you're a have to do it again.
Speaker 1: But I will tell people. I think it's how you.
Speaker 1: I think people can't get past what they just think
Speaker 1: it reads as. And like I will tell people a
Speaker 1: host when I when I'm on stage minutes before, I
Speaker 1: will be like, I'll be like, cute, sweet, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I pronounce me that name, and they'll
Speaker 1: be like tell me how, and I'll say and then
Speaker 1: they'll just still do it wrong. I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: am I just being pumped? But yeah, the amount of
Speaker 1: people that call me Leiah after I've corrected them four
Speaker 1: thousand times, I've even thought of a funny way to
Speaker 1: get around it. My funny, I mean so annoying where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not Princess Leiah, I'm Queen Leah and
Speaker 1: they're like, so Leiah, that's that's a little do you
Speaker 1: say it's a little weird, Like that's not what it's Leah.
Speaker 1: It's very obviously Leah. Thank you. It's like I'm Jewish, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: same here it's not ussel Stein. It's just hilarious. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, well here we're here. We're just jumping right.
Speaker 1: It's Ashley actually damn And that's the podcast. Guys, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening today. So Ashley and I
Speaker 1: met in the basement of the stand in New York
Speaker 1: City at a holiday no no, no, it was the
Speaker 1: New York Comedy Festival after party situation, and we were
Speaker 1: hiding from talking to other people. Yeah, we just like
Speaker 1: connected right away, because you know, you just meet people,
Speaker 1: not even just comics. You meet people are just like hot,
Speaker 1: cool or nice or fun to be around. So I
Speaker 1: totally put me in the nice category. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: keep going. I meant pretty thank you, thank you. Ms connected.
Speaker 1: We connected immediately now, um, but yeah, we just kind
Speaker 1: of like locked in and we were like, we're haing
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the night. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: attached to hip, We're gonna hit the dance floor, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about our demons. So I know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it was it was fun. I love
Speaker 1: meeting people down there. I met a guy down in
Speaker 1: that basement and we dated for yeah basement, Yeah, only underground,
Speaker 1: and I did keep him in the basement the whole time.
Speaker 1: That's exactly that's my ideal relations down there. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 1: some might say he's still down there. My ideal relationship
Speaker 1: is a man who can't escape the basement, who's just
Speaker 1: handcuffed downstairs, doesn't have social media, can't look at other
Speaker 1: women because he literally can't. Yeah, it's I mean, anyway,
Speaker 1: so back, someone will cut back to this clip ten
Speaker 1: years from now when they're like and she said on
Speaker 1: the podcast in the they're like they were hiding in
Speaker 1: plain sight. This whole time, she said exactly what she wanted.
Speaker 1: Every man she ever met was terrified to go downstairs,
Speaker 1: and every time she performed at the stand there were
Speaker 1: no men at the show. Um, yeah, actually, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want don't care like it's you know what, I
Speaker 1: just have to tell you because this is kind of relevant.
Speaker 1: So last night yesterday is like the was the five
Speaker 1: year anniversary when I moved to New York, and I
Speaker 1: always like, I don't know, I love a reason to celebrate.
Speaker 1: I got all my friends together to dinner at one
Speaker 1: of my favorite restaurants, and then we walked by my
Speaker 1: first apartment because it was on the same corner. And
Speaker 1: when I moved to New York, I moved into a
Speaker 1: building that I truly think was not like inhabitable. I
Speaker 1: think it was like condemned, like every well every I
Speaker 1: found a true, decently large, one bedroom and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't care that every other door in this floor
Speaker 1: has crime tape, Like I don't care that it has
Speaker 1: like caution tape that it looks like a crime scene.
Speaker 1: For two years I lived in this crime scene. No
Speaker 1: one ever moved in, Like it was like five of
Speaker 1: us in the building. I eventually just stop paying red.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think this is like illegal. But
Speaker 1: my my guy friend would always joke. He's like the
Speaker 1: fact that you can get laid back here. He was like,
Speaker 1: if it was a guy, a woman would walk in
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, one door with caution tape, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a little weird the second door, and
Speaker 1: then you get to the back of the hallway. He
Speaker 1: was like, a guy could never bring a woman back here.
Speaker 1: She would be like, I'm too scared, And he was
Speaker 1: like I was like, yeah, I have no problems. Like
Speaker 1: what guys don't care if a guy sees the crime tape.
Speaker 1: He just if he's getting late. He's even think it's
Speaker 1: like a velvet rope. This is it's my version of
Speaker 1: the velvet rope. I pull it aside. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: in for a good time. This pitch is crazy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: no guy is gonna be worried about you said you
Speaker 1: want to lock him up in the basement, right, you're gouty.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ashley, we connected so hard. I wished you
Speaker 1: had to Dick. I know, I was like, could I
Speaker 1: be a last ye? And I think I would kill
Speaker 1: it anyway than to them because or like what my camera?
Speaker 1: What's happening here? It's been really nice to knowing you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, were like my hair, Like what am I doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're both like turning red and fidgeting with your hair
Speaker 1: like we can take a little stop down if we need,
Speaker 1: but it's really not time yet. Okay, let's talk about crime. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also okay, so obviously girls got to eat very popular podcast.
Speaker 1: You guys talk about everything. How did you in rain
Speaker 1: and meet your co host? What's the oddest topic that's
Speaker 1: ever come up on your pod? Um? We met, It's
Speaker 1: just like, so, I mean, don't make me tell us. Well,
Speaker 1: we met on this influence her trip and her Ruba.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm so sorry, but we've never hed top.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, um, but we and we connected immediately like
Speaker 1: on this trip again, I'm sure this is true, but listen,
Speaker 1: I'm here with you now and she I don't even
Speaker 1: know where she is, and uh we this was October. Um,
Speaker 1: I moved to New York like earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: and we just said it off and I wanted to
Speaker 1: start a podcast. I wanted to do something about updating
Speaker 1: and sex and relationships, and we just we only were
Speaker 1: friends for a few months when I just was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like she'd be the right person to do
Speaker 1: this with. She had like a flexible you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like an influencer lifestyle too, like what I was doing.
Speaker 1: And so we just just she was like yes, like
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, and I was like, do
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable talking about your sex and personal life?
Speaker 1: She's like yeah, yeah, Like have we've been friends for
Speaker 1: a few months now, I feel like you can pick
Speaker 1: up on that. And I don't give a so, um yeah,
Speaker 1: we started in February, We started talking about it, getting
Speaker 1: it all together, and launched it in February two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen. So we're coming up on four years. Muzzle
Speaker 1: and Leah, don't let it bother you that she met
Speaker 1: her on like a boat in the Caribbean or wherever
Speaker 1: it was, and she met you in a basement. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Thank you it. It wasn't like a beach
Speaker 1: that I dinner like toes in the sand. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Lee, it's just like deflating us. We look,
Speaker 1: if you had said it was on a yacht, I
Speaker 1: would have canceled the rest of this. There was no
Speaker 1: There was no yacht, which we went on a catamaran
Speaker 1: the next day. But just a catamaran. That's how I
Speaker 1: know it wasn't that serious. Okay, Iran is the swipe
Speaker 1: left of boats. I don't even know. It wasn't even private.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, it wasn't don't worry. I mean,
Speaker 1: did you even take a private jet together? There? Flu Coach,
Speaker 1: we you know had not hit it big yet. So wow,
Speaker 1: you guys, Fluke Coach, I don't even way um um Okay.
Speaker 1: So the way he's looking the way the side I
Speaker 1: with the dog right now, because of the way zoom
Speaker 1: is I see your name and then I just see
Speaker 1: ears over your name. It's pretty cute, honestly. Okay, So
Speaker 1: what's the craziest topic you guys have ever discussed? I
Speaker 1: just we've talked about so much in four years, Like
Speaker 1: there's nothing that we haven't talked about. I I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this, like, um, maybe something just recent we
Speaker 1: can discuss together. We get a lot of emails where
Speaker 1: women are like is this a thing? You know, like
Speaker 1: is this happening in the world. And recently we got
Speaker 1: a few, like more than one emails about women saying
Speaker 1: that they hooked up with guys and the guys left
Speaker 1: their boxers and they were like, is are they doing
Speaker 1: this on purpose? Like are they leaving behind boxers because
Speaker 1: they're leaving in jeans so they know they don't have
Speaker 1: boxers on. You know, you know when your dick hits
Speaker 1: your jeans that this something's off. And uh, I know,
Speaker 1: get along exactly. I mean I don't work underhe so
Speaker 1: I can't relate. But like it's kind of the same
Speaker 1: as leaving without your bra, you know what I mean. Behind.
Speaker 1: But we're like our guys leaving boxers behind. They're like, challenge,
Speaker 1: let me look real quick behind. Maybe this is what
Speaker 1: the kids are doing. Um, but no, that's not so Atlantish.
Speaker 1: That was like one thing. I mean, we've talked about everything, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about Peggy and foot jobs, you know,
Speaker 1: p fet dishes. We had a whole episode on guys
Speaker 1: that want to be Pete on you know in their mouth.
Speaker 1: I don't know, so yeah, but she Um, we had
Speaker 1: this guest on and she was wonderful her and I'd
Speaker 1: watch her on this Spice Show and I we had
Speaker 1: so many topics we like wanted to discuss with her,
Speaker 1: and once she said that she used to kind of
Speaker 1: like fill in for this dominatrix and p on guys,
Speaker 1: we were like, the episode was literally so much about that,
Speaker 1: um and where to fill in like a dominatris, so
Speaker 1: kind of like she was like, I wasn't the best
Speaker 1: maina tricks, but I was like some of the she
Speaker 1: was working kind of shadowing this dominatrix and she had
Speaker 1: some clients that she didn't want to go peon and
Speaker 1: that's like all they wanted. So she was like, that
Speaker 1: was kind of when I would go substitute dominatrix. And
Speaker 1: I was pretty good at it and I didn't have
Speaker 1: p anxiety, and um, she walked us through it and
Speaker 1: it was so funny. I felt I just felt bad
Speaker 1: for I'm like, I'm so sorry we didn't bring you
Speaker 1: on here to talk about this exclusively. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. I thought it was more of a like
Speaker 1: people like to be paid just on their body, brings
Speaker 1: it a new meaning to the term streamer. Yeah exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are literally live streaming today. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Bring your tarp and it's happy love that for her
Speaker 1: love that. You know. I wonder if, um, there's a
Speaker 1: murderer who might not have committed the crime and all
Speaker 1: named balls and that's why men are leaving behind their
Speaker 1: boxers because there's a hashtag free balls movement going on
Speaker 1: maybe and they just want to be Yeah. Just I
Speaker 1: was just sitting on that one free the free the
Speaker 1: statistical movement. The good news is whatever crimes when we
Speaker 1: talk about today are going to seem really tame as
Speaker 1: as opposed to what we've already talked about. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how far you guys would have been. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I just I feel like I on our show
Speaker 1: four years later. I'm rarely surprised, you know, Like we've
Speaker 1: talked about everything. I'm not saying that I am into
Speaker 1: everything that we discussed, but that one caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: And you know, I always I need details. So you
Speaker 1: feel like once you hear about something for the first time,
Speaker 1: you've then get excited by it like you get a
Speaker 1: king for it. No, I know you can't never mind
Speaker 1: moving on, And I think it could not everything. I'm
Speaker 1: not not like Pean Like. It didn't make me be
Speaker 1: like I don't I wanna be in someone's mouth. It
Speaker 1: didn't make me think that. But yeah, I think to
Speaker 1: be honest, Yeah, of course sometimes I've heard of stuff
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I could be into that. I never
Speaker 1: thought of that before. So yeah, it's it's happened interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: And just to really do a one eight here quick pivot.
Speaker 1: Do you have any true crime cases that you're passionate
Speaker 1: about or anything that you like about true crime in general?
Speaker 1: A crime? Um, it's just I've gone to jail, but
Speaker 1: like not anything you know, we really did for what for?
Speaker 1: Do you wyse? Um? Like so many years ago? Uh? Nice?
Speaker 1: So I I wom careful York. Yeah, I was forced
Speaker 1: to move to New York where we don't drive. No,
Speaker 1: it was it was a long time ago. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been in jail a couple of times. Um,
Speaker 1: I am. So here's the thing. I think that people
Speaker 1: are so obsessed with true crime, and I totally understand it.
Speaker 1: It's not content that I consume all the time. But
Speaker 1: I love it and I almost feel like I can't
Speaker 1: get to invest at all. To keep I'll keep myself
Speaker 1: up at night, like I won't like I get so obsessed.
Speaker 1: I still think about that, like Malaysian flight that they
Speaker 1: just never found, Like I'm like, where's is the thing?
Speaker 1: They Oh, they did find the plane. I think they
Speaker 1: found pieces of it that had watched that because I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with that too, and I was like, that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced this plane was just taken by a UFO
Speaker 1: and I was through. I was I was happy going
Speaker 1: on with that. And then one day they found some wreckage.
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you guys, we know more about
Speaker 1: space than we know about the ocean. And I do
Speaker 1: believe the aliens are in the ocean. And this is
Speaker 1: why I don't quit it. I do not go in
Speaker 1: the ocean. I will dip a pinky toe in I
Speaker 1: and not like really, you won't go in the ocean
Speaker 1: at all. The ocean. I've seen Sharknado. I know what
Speaker 1: happens in there. I am actually terrified of like water,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if people if someone was like
Speaker 1: there's a tidal wave three thousand miles away, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, get a high ground. Yeah. I don't think
Speaker 1: people think they can like fight nature fight like water,
Speaker 1: but um, I think the ocean is terrifying. Like what
Speaker 1: even um like, I mean, I'll go on a boat.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a white girl. I gotta take take anytime
Speaker 1: I can go. But like, even watching Titanic, like the
Speaker 1: images alone, I like, I feel like I feel scared
Speaker 1: of like big boats and like, you know, keep it
Speaker 1: on the catamaran and the minute, you know, the smaller yachts.
Speaker 1: But there's something about it that, like, the ocean is terrifying.
Speaker 1: They built a Titanic too, and I just remember thinking,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is destined to crash. There's no way won't.
Speaker 1: And also I did recently post on my Instagram story
Speaker 1: because I was obsessed with the Titanic photos of behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of them shooting the Titanic and they all
Speaker 1: are just wearing floaties and I'm like this, this ruined
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, I've seen some of those photos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, I didn't need to see Leo and like
Speaker 1: a thing that a babe you would wear when they're
Speaker 1: trying trying to learn how to swim, you know, and
Speaker 1: also can we all agree there was room for two
Speaker 1: on the door that she was She was just like
Speaker 1: just kidding. I want to be rich, you know. She
Speaker 1: was like, you know sometimes I like to stretch out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I feel like people have like
Speaker 1: you know, they'll be like a think piece that's like funny,
Speaker 1: and people like actually do it. They like figure out
Speaker 1: like if you ever seen like I've seen these articles
Speaker 1: of like every injury and home alone, like what it
Speaker 1: would have done done to them? You know, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I think somebody did, like figure out if they could
Speaker 1: both fit on the door, like they could they could have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have. But you know, she likes to sprawl
Speaker 1: out on the King bed. I get it. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we gotta take a quick break and I promise we're
Speaker 1: going to get to crime right after this. But we've
Speaker 1: been having a lot of fun chatting away will be
Speaker 1: RB and we're back. Welcome back to Real Time Crime,
Speaker 1: you guys. We are now going to get into the
Speaker 1: crime part of Real Time and we're going to hit
Speaker 1: some of our hot topics. I'm joined by our co
Speaker 1: host Ashley Hustle Time and nailed it and also co
Speaker 1: host sometimes Dmitri, who is often Dmitri. He's been upgraded
Speaker 1: just for now, Dmitri, don't get too used to it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna trust me. I'm aware of that question.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question? This is I swear, this
Speaker 1: is not this is I'm asking for a friend. We
Speaker 1: never get a crime in this epode? Are you? This
Speaker 1: is my plan the whole time, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about crime. Um, wait a second, can we talk
Speaker 1: about Britney Spears. I'm like, yeah, let's go. Um, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: are you single? I'm not okay, wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait he looks like rain is type. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if like Brian Laundry. Sorry Dmitri had Oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I really took you know, you really took it
Speaker 1: down for us, Like no, we're way better looking than him. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you. And I don't have
Speaker 1: those murderous tendencies than you wouldn't go that far. Do
Speaker 1: you have a diary there? Do you have a journal?
Speaker 1: Do you like to go hiking? Lose journal? Do you
Speaker 1: have a white fan? Okay, okay, straight to hell? Also,
Speaker 1: can I just say I think that made to meet Frezier. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, Leoh. Yes, so on top of everything you've
Speaker 1: insulted me with, she has now hit me with. Nobody
Speaker 1: has ever asked Dmitri if he was available. That's sweet, awesome.
Speaker 1: Not everybody can meet in the basement. Oh boy, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go straight into the hot topics after that
Speaker 1: hot topic. No, I'm not wearing hot topic. I hate
Speaker 1: I hate my self. Okay, guys, guys, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: we've already wasted like hours of podcast time off. No,
Speaker 1: nothing has been wasted except for you when you were
Speaker 1: driving a car Ashley. But I that was great. That
Speaker 1: was great. Also, how many do U I s? Do
Speaker 1: you have? Um? Two and a half for you on
Speaker 1: the half one? Did we get a good lawyer, the
Speaker 1: best lawyers? Yeah? It was I I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this like that's when we really wanted you, not someone
Speaker 1: who's Jewish. You know. His name was Thomas Thomas. That
Speaker 1: was my lawyers. Um, I can't make it up. And
Speaker 1: he was the best. And uh yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not I taught I used to be a little more like,
Speaker 1: it's not it's a serious topic. I used to talk
Speaker 1: about a little more flippantly. I'm way more careful now
Speaker 1: because it's like not cool, you know. But it was
Speaker 1: like a you know, a bad time in my life.
Speaker 1: I was super irresponsible and I racked up a few
Speaker 1: so uh and now you know, I can't tell people enough,
Speaker 1: like don't do it obviously, you know, if you don't
Speaker 1: have to, we have uber and a shout out to
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas the names so nice. They named it twice
Speaker 1: exactly and also forces you to live in New York,
Speaker 1: New York after that. But okay, you guys, so all right,
Speaker 1: time to jump into the actual pod topics for today.
Speaker 1: I know that we've been talking about Lawrence smith Fields
Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks, and yes, folks, there's
Speaker 1: more detectives involved in the death case of Laurence Smith's.
Speaker 1: Fields are now suspended, so we already know much about
Speaker 1: this case. And Lawrence smith Fields was found dead in
Speaker 1: her apartment after date last month, and now the two
Speaker 1: detectives have been placed on administrative leave and they're being
Speaker 1: investigated by the Police Department's Internal Affairs office. According to
Speaker 1: the mayor, disciplinary actions may also be taken against them
Speaker 1: due to a lack of sensitivity of public and failure
Speaker 1: to follow police policy in the handling of two cases.
Speaker 1: And I'll get to the other case in just a second.
Speaker 1: It's unacceptable failure if policies were not followed. The mayor said.
Speaker 1: The detectives were also being investigated for their handling of
Speaker 1: the case of Brenda Lee Rawls, who was found dead
Speaker 1: and alone in her apartment on the same day as
Speaker 1: smith Fields. The families of both smith Fields and Rawles
Speaker 1: claimed that the police failed to notify them of the
Speaker 1: deaths and say they learned of them from other people.
Speaker 1: Both women are black, and the supervisory officer who was
Speaker 1: in charge of overseeing these investigations retired from the department
Speaker 1: on Friday, the mayor said, adding at the cases are
Speaker 1: both under active investigation and have been reassigned. So this
Speaker 1: is interesting news. And I know that last episode daf
Speaker 1: Nique was and all of us were discussing how they
Speaker 1: think that race has something to do with why these
Speaker 1: deaths were underreported and not fully investigated, especially in that town.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think, what do you guys
Speaker 1: think about the chance that they go back over the
Speaker 1: cases and the details and find out what really happens.
Speaker 1: Now that it's going to be reassigned, Well, do they
Speaker 1: have more details about the like cause of death? Here's
Speaker 1: here's the interesting time that iry. No, it's just the
Speaker 1: details were so poorly investigated from the whole thing. But
Speaker 1: that's the whole problem. So part of me thinks that
Speaker 1: this might be one of those cases. I hope that
Speaker 1: these don't go unsolved. But you know, they never even
Speaker 1: investigated Matthew law Fountain, who was the last person with
Speaker 1: her and was the person who reported her dead, and
Speaker 1: with that investigation, is the last person to see her alive, right,
Speaker 1: And so they could re investigate and they could bring
Speaker 1: him in for further questioning. But I don't know. This
Speaker 1: is so disappointing and so odd that two of the
Speaker 1: detectives are are now out. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm rambling. I understand. I do understand why people I
Speaker 1: want to discuss the race aspect of it. I think
Speaker 1: that came up a lot with Gabby Petito, where it
Speaker 1: was like, uh, do you know how many Indigenous women
Speaker 1: have been missing? You know that no one ever talks
Speaker 1: about um and which is It's not to take away
Speaker 1: from her case, but it was kind of like why
Speaker 1: does this feel like this is getting so much attention
Speaker 1: because it's this white girl, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people of color were like, can we
Speaker 1: get some attention on these people who have been missing
Speaker 1: and unsolved for for so long? It's been going on
Speaker 1: for so long. Um, so yeah, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: just that's so devastating. I just where is this again?
Speaker 1: Can you remind me in Bridgeboro? Okay? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean that has to do it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's terrifying of you that you think
Speaker 1: that like these people who were you know, whatever whatever
Speaker 1: you are supposed to you know, protect and serve, are
Speaker 1: like finding dead bodies and not even like doing the
Speaker 1: bare minimum. I'm not even telling the family that like
Speaker 1: the family isn't even like that's insane, Like listen, I've
Speaker 1: half asked a bunch of jobs in my life, but
Speaker 1: not never a job like that, especially this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was trying not to say it, but thank you.
Speaker 1: But when you're like, that's your job, and there's people
Speaker 1: that don't know where their loved one is, and you,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't even cross your mind in two
Speaker 1: days to reach out and let them know, even just
Speaker 1: on like a human like compassion level, Like do you
Speaker 1: don't think there's people that want to know where this
Speaker 1: a person is? This is someone's daughters, is someone's you know, sister, mother,
Speaker 1: maybe friends, like girlfriend, Like it's just it's like pretty insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that what you're feeling? Like is are
Speaker 1: people thinking that that the cops had something to do
Speaker 1: with it? Or is it just like the problem is
Speaker 1: that they did it, they went about it. I think
Speaker 1: it's uncertain. But also Bridgepoort is a predominantly white neighborhood,
Speaker 1: which we discussed last episode, so that is of importance here.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, in the case of Brenda
Speaker 1: Lee Rawls, her body was at the medical Examiner's office
Speaker 1: on December fourteenth, two days after she was pronounced dead,
Speaker 1: and the police never notified them of her death. What
Speaker 1: m hmm, all like white police. Well, the family apparently
Speaker 1: later in the week learned um that a detective had
Speaker 1: been assigned to the case, and they left him at
Speaker 1: least four messages and he never even returned them. And
Speaker 1: he's one of the two detectives who was suspended and
Speaker 1: put on administrative leave. It's not like it's I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in Dgeport, but if
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound like they're too busy with like the raging,
Speaker 1: you know, crime of this huge metropolis. Not that that's
Speaker 1: an excuse, but like, what else are you guys even doing,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had one job, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1: And and in the case of of Laurence smith Fields,
Speaker 1: like they didn't even handle the crime scene appropriately. So
Speaker 1: that's that. Now that's twice to your the top two
Speaker 1: things on your job. Listening, I would assume for something
Speaker 1: like this, seal off the crime scene and do everything
Speaker 1: you need to do and notify the family. Neither one
Speaker 1: was done, So I mean you cannot continue to work
Speaker 1: or I mean, I don't know, who knows. I know,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to put a cop out of work,
Speaker 1: but like what, yeah, it's like that's why I said,
Speaker 1: like the bare minimum. It feels like yep. And also
Speaker 1: Brenda and Lauren died on the same day. Do we
Speaker 1: think that there could be any relation? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea. That sounds that's pretty crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but in Bridgeport, I don't, no, I don't, I I
Speaker 1: don't I don't mind. My instinct is to think it's
Speaker 1: not related, especially since Lawrence was like a drug overdose.
Speaker 1: Whether it was accidental or not, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what was the other Uh what was the
Speaker 1: Brendily Rawls cause of death? Do we know? We don't
Speaker 1: know yet. SOA hasn't let us know. M Right, all right,
Speaker 1: it's time for us too. And the only reason I'm
Speaker 1: moving through this because we've talked about it for the
Speaker 1: last few episodes. Um. But yeah, this is devastating and despicable,
Speaker 1: and I'm really glad they were suspended, and I hope
Speaker 1: that justice can be served with new detectives on the case. Right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to our next hot topic.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say right now, trigger warning suicide.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, Trigger warning always murder
Speaker 1: suicide Leah's jokes. Okay, So Walking Dead star Moses J.
Speaker 1: Moseley found dead at thirty one, and the cops do
Speaker 1: suspect suicide. He was famous for playing one of the
Speaker 1: zombies in The Walking Dead and they're investigating the circumstances
Speaker 1: around his death. They said that they found his body
Speaker 1: Wednesday in the Hudson Bridge area of Stockbridge, Georgia, and
Speaker 1: the bridge covers a freeway. They're told that there's an
Speaker 1: active investigation into how his body ended up in the
Speaker 1: area and whether or not foul play was involved. Apparently,
Speaker 1: the family said they hadn't heard from him since Sunday
Speaker 1: of the week prior, and they called the hospitals to
Speaker 1: no avail, and on Wednesday morning they filed the missing
Speaker 1: police person's report. Riley, please help me. On Wednesday morning
Speaker 1: they filed a missing person's report. Then they contacted on Star,
Speaker 1: which tracked the car and that's how they discovered the body.
Speaker 1: And a family member told the press that Moses died
Speaker 1: up a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find
Speaker 1: out who pulled the trigger. So they're saying that it's
Speaker 1: possibly a suicide, and other people are saying that there
Speaker 1: might be foul play. Invaulved, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Where was the gunshot wound? Again? Information? We don't Why
Speaker 1: can't they just ask the questions? Ask the questions we're
Speaker 1: all asking. It's like, why can't they just give us
Speaker 1: all the information? You know, it's something that should Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: well here's the thing, Okay, since you brought that up.
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, they found him after he had been underwater
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and they're like, yep, you killed himself.
Speaker 1: And now they found they found Moses. They said, it's
Speaker 1: a gunshot. Woman, Like, we're trying to figure out whether
Speaker 1: it was a self inflicted gunshot. I feel like, not
Speaker 1: that I have vast knowledge into this type of stuff,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they can usually tell pretty quickly
Speaker 1: whether someone pulled the trigger. I'm sure there's not watch
Speaker 1: movements after that. Right, So if they found Brian Laundry
Speaker 1: with a gun and a wet note book and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he killed himself, and this one that like we're still
Speaker 1: trying to determine, that makes me think that there's got
Speaker 1: to be something further that leads them to believe that
Speaker 1: maybe there was foul play. I'm on the same page
Speaker 1: as you. I'm not like an expert on this, but
Speaker 1: aren't like gun deaths via suicide and via homicide just
Speaker 1: totally different. I thought that was like pretty easy to
Speaker 1: figure out, um not to go down that some morbid road,
Speaker 1: But right, I don't know. Morbid road is actually the
Speaker 1: new name of this podcast. I'm looking at this guy
Speaker 1: right now because I used to watch that show pretty regularly. Also,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, who uses on Star? I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that in so long. It really was like, wait,
Speaker 1: did this happen in but maybe it's coming back and
Speaker 1: it can you know, this could be a good I
Speaker 1: always sketch. I didn't realize it was a really good
Speaker 1: when can you got? So? Were you saying that it
Speaker 1: was like his body maybe I like blocked out again
Speaker 1: like under a bridge, like in the was it found
Speaker 1: in the water or like under a bridge? So this
Speaker 1: is the thing. Is that so the Hudson Bridge um
Speaker 1: is over a freeway, so it's like an overpad and underpass. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh got it? Okay I heard bridge. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's the other thing too. It's like, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot yourself in the head, you don't need
Speaker 1: to also throw yourself off a bridge. Percent I know
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of thinking too, like those
Speaker 1: don't match up. But then also like what was going
Speaker 1: on under that bridge? Like is that a place where
Speaker 1: you know what happens under bridges? But was he involved
Speaker 1: in like something where you meet somebody under a bridge?
Speaker 1: M hmm, okay, I'm sorry. Detective Ashley's on the case.
Speaker 1: And but at the on Star obviously found the car.
Speaker 1: So was he in his car? I was his car nearby?
Speaker 1: So many questions, so many questions, no answers, But I
Speaker 1: think that we will probably find out some more in
Speaker 1: the next coming weeks. I feel like the answers there
Speaker 1: where is the gunshot? Wound? Right like a wire? We're
Speaker 1: spitting our wheels on this now. I'm like so invested. See,
Speaker 1: this is why I can't like get into this stuff,
Speaker 1: because I won't be able to let it go. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem is, and I don't mean none of us
Speaker 1: mean to sound callous. We know that that somebody died
Speaker 1: and that's obviously sad, whether it be suicide or foul place,
Speaker 1: of course. But but the frustrating thing is it seems
Speaker 1: like there's certain things, and probably coming off the last
Speaker 1: cases we just discussed, there seems like there's more information.
Speaker 1: I know they don't share everything, but to share they
Speaker 1: suspect suicide, it was gunshot, won't There's some pretty obvious
Speaker 1: questions that aren't answered, and so you can you can
Speaker 1: understand why we get riled up talking about it. Also
Speaker 1: the sentence the family member tells us Moses died of
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find out
Speaker 1: who pulled the trigger. To me, lets me know that
Speaker 1: there is definitely more information I know, And I just
Speaker 1: I really feel like you. I feel like these statements
Speaker 1: feel so weird to say because I really don't know,
Speaker 1: but like that, why would you go to this underpass
Speaker 1: to take your own life? I mean, I guess people
Speaker 1: do whatever, but I mean, it just it feels my
Speaker 1: instinct feels like someone killed him. I also don't feel
Speaker 1: like we have all the information. I'm like, did you
Speaker 1: die on the freeway? Did you die above the freeway?
Speaker 1: Did were you shot in the head and then you
Speaker 1: fell over the bridge? Or did you commit suicide and
Speaker 1: then fall over the bridge? Was your car? I just
Speaker 1: feel like there like well and that stuff that you
Speaker 1: can that like people could see from the body as well,
Speaker 1: if you fell and like broke bones and had you know,
Speaker 1: like uh what it like bought trauma to the body? Right?
Speaker 1: And are there no cameras in the area, you know?
Speaker 1: Are there no cameras on bridges? It seems like after
Speaker 1: everything that happened with bridges and under bridges. They should
Speaker 1: just build a bridge with cameras in them. So fascinated
Speaker 1: by bridges and like how they're built. I think it's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a topic for another time. No, no, no, speaking
Speaker 1: of bridges, bridges, speaking of bridges, London Bridge is falling down.
Speaker 1: I actually never knew what that meant. But we are
Speaker 1: heading over to a story in London. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for this one. Britain's hot fugitive is now in police
Speaker 1: custody after his mug shot went viral. Daddy sorry, then
Speaker 1: Jeremy Meeks. Literally they're both hot, but he's so hot,
Speaker 1: he's unbelievable. I will use this photo later for personal use.
Speaker 1: But I am putting in this bank bank. So the
Speaker 1: London British Police have taken into custody convicted burglar. He's
Speaker 1: just a burglar, it's not I would not be saying this.
Speaker 1: It was like a different type of cary, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's just stealing hearts. Okay. So
Speaker 1: the burglar Jonathan K Hill, whose mug shot they posted
Speaker 1: on social media last week in hopes of sending him
Speaker 1: back to prison after a suspected parole violation. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: such a bad boy. He sparked thousand comments, largely from
Speaker 1: women offering to help locate him for a totally different reasons.
Speaker 1: I wonder what they were. Um. They said that they
Speaker 1: were asking if you know they people could help locate him,
Speaker 1: and a lot of women seemed drawn to the thirty
Speaker 1: seven year old blue eyes, chisel jawlines, stony gaze, and
Speaker 1: his six foot height. Turny okay. Someone said, Daddy, I'm
Speaker 1: in love with the criminal. Love it. Someone else wrote,
Speaker 1: I mean he has committed a crime, but day someone
Speaker 1: someone said I have handcuffs. That was so funny. Coups.
Speaker 1: It's like Leo, which one was yours? Which? What did
Speaker 1: you comment on the Oh mine was too dirty for
Speaker 1: them to repost in the article, But it's it's hidden.
Speaker 1: It's in the hidden comments section. Just went through a
Speaker 1: word filter. They were like, Yeah, mine was you can
Speaker 1: keep me in the basement anytime. Yeah, he's in my basement. Actually,
Speaker 1: you guys. He apparently has been branded the fit, felon
Speaker 1: or criminally hot. Oh my god, yeah yeah, blue eye
Speaker 1: banded baby. A lot of people compare him to Wakefield's
Speaker 1: uh Jeremy Niecks, who we brought up earlier. The hot
Speaker 1: felon who went viral from the California Police Department sharing
Speaker 1: his mug shot where he was hot a f where
Speaker 1: people are calling him jail Bay. Anyway, do we think
Speaker 1: that people should get recognition for their attractive mug shots?
Speaker 1: And do you think can we back up to what
Speaker 1: if you woke up and I was in your house?
Speaker 1: I would be like if I dream mean, like if
Speaker 1: you woke up in that guy's in your home, I
Speaker 1: would be like, get in my my bedroom, like like
Speaker 1: what it just it would be so crazy to me
Speaker 1: to like wake up and be like, oh I heard
Speaker 1: a noise and that they're just like yeah, I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 1: I manifest at this. I'd be like, hey, you can
Speaker 1: take whatever you want, just can you come into the
Speaker 1: bedroom first? Just oh my god, you got the loube
Speaker 1: on the way in. Like it's just like so no,
Speaker 1: I don't this is you know, it's weird to talk
Speaker 1: about it, but we he's hot. It's what it is.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he should get off, he should get
Speaker 1: me off, But I mean it's just it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that it's like he shouldn't pay for his crimes. Like
Speaker 1: we could say somebody's hot. Also, how do you got
Speaker 1: pretty privileged? I know, like that is everything went wrong
Speaker 1: for you that you have a burglar. It's like you're hot, dude,
Speaker 1: just get an only thing? Well because yes, and also
Speaker 1: like not that I'm condoning this either, but you just
Speaker 1: like dirty Job. You could like kind of like you
Speaker 1: could there it is you could like dirty John this
Speaker 1: if you're that hot too, Like maybe he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to put in the work, but like you could definitely
Speaker 1: scam women for money. Not that I'm endorsing that either,
Speaker 1: but like you could do this. You could get your
Speaker 1: bills paid in a different way. You know, I have
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar bill right now with his name on it.
Speaker 1: This guy is basically Channing Tatum if he never got
Speaker 1: a movie role. Here magic but Channing Tatum is like
Speaker 1: he's um, you know, he's my number one, but his
Speaker 1: his he doesn't have a good smile. Like I wonder
Speaker 1: if this guy is a good smile Channing's wrong with
Speaker 1: his teeth are bad and he doesn't look good smiling
Speaker 1: his smile ruins everything. So I fixed, you would think,
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know, but I wonder if this guy,
Speaker 1: like what his teeth looked like, because that could ruin
Speaker 1: everything British British not great. Can we get a smiling yeah?
Speaker 1: Can we uh yeah? Can we pull up a smiling
Speaker 1: photo of him? Thank you? You know, I just think
Speaker 1: it's working for some women, Ashley might not be you.
Speaker 1: Women are literally like masturbating to this guy and there
Speaker 1: and to the thought of him being like a criminal,
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that I am, but I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I am. But can you see my other hand
Speaker 1: didn't wait for a break really right in the middle
Speaker 1: of the segment. I so, I like, was I was
Speaker 1: so invested in that Jeremy Meeks thing because he was
Speaker 1: like the original hot, hot criminal whatever. He looked a
Speaker 1: little too, I mean he had the neck tattoos like
Speaker 1: he he looked a little like I'll take it, but
Speaker 1: he might cryamp a little like this guy has. He's
Speaker 1: a little more of a little more clan cut looking.
Speaker 1: They're both hot. I don't know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we're doing a Mary kill with these criminals. Do you
Speaker 1: haven't a third to throw into the mix? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we're working in marrying these guys. Who are we going
Speaker 1: to kill? There is no I don't find a photo
Speaker 1: with him smiling at all, which granted, most burglars don't
Speaker 1: walk around smiling. I think they're like, it's like he's
Speaker 1: looking into every reflection. He's like looking in every mirror,
Speaker 1: every glass surface. Do you think he knows it's hot? Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows he's hot. He's probably committed a lot more
Speaker 1: burglar and he chose that path. It's just so interesting
Speaker 1: to choose that path when you're like so objectively good looking.
Speaker 1: Maybe he thought life was too easy and he wanted
Speaker 1: to make it harder. Mm hmm. You know, he really
Speaker 1: just wanted to make it harder, more of a challenge
Speaker 1: than having everything handed to him. I get it, all right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to our next hot topic. Oh my god, alright,
Speaker 1: hey Chicago man who was released from prison twenty years
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, sorry later, this story is crazy. It
Speaker 1: makes me feel crazy, yes, after how crazy? Okay? His
Speaker 1: twin brother confesses to the murder. Are they hot? L
Speaker 1: O L So. After two decades being behind bars for
Speaker 1: a murder in two thousand three, a shooting that he
Speaker 1: never committed, his identical twin brother finally confesses to the crime.
Speaker 1: Kevin Dugar broke into tears as he was released from
Speaker 1: the Cook County Jail on Tuesday night and reunited with
Speaker 1: his loved ones as a freeman. Apparently the judge granted
Speaker 1: his release pending trial on a signature bond and he
Speaker 1: walked out into the open air and breathed his first
Speaker 1: breath as a freeman in almost twenty years. So what's
Speaker 1: so crazy about this is he spent twenty years in
Speaker 1: jail after shooting of a rival gang member. Like I
Speaker 1: said that he never committed and he was convicted in
Speaker 1: two dozen five sentence to fifty four years in prison
Speaker 1: for years he may retained his innocence. And what's so
Speaker 1: crazy is that this case was described as stranger than
Speaker 1: fiction and a wild plot twist that his twin brother,
Speaker 1: Carl Smith, admitted to having carried out the murder in
Speaker 1: a confession that was made first in a letter to
Speaker 1: him in nearly a decade after he was convicted. This
Speaker 1: is so crazy. Do you feel like the brother felt
Speaker 1: no guilt? You know what? The brother The brother admitted
Speaker 1: this in a letter to his brother, But like the
Speaker 1: ever surfaced till now? Or why didn't they? Apparently? Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently they waited till a confession. What what do you
Speaker 1: think changed after twenty years to lead to this confession? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this didn't happen. What am I
Speaker 1: not understanding? Let alone? No, yes, I understand that because
Speaker 1: this is when he sent that letter and admitted to it.
Speaker 1: But let's go back another ten years, back to when
Speaker 1: it first happened. This guy says he didn't do it. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a twin brother, right, never once looked into that?
Speaker 1: Well we have any looks like this? Well damn, there's
Speaker 1: somebody else that looks exactly like that as well. I
Speaker 1: need so much more information. I like will lose sleep
Speaker 1: over this exactly that, Like, like was he like wasn't
Speaker 1: he like maybe it was my jowin brother who's in
Speaker 1: a gang too or something? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't it was they said rival gang member? So
Speaker 1: were they both in the gang? Like? Did he just
Speaker 1: not want to do was he taking the Was he
Speaker 1: taking the hit for his brother? Maybe because I mean
Speaker 1: they were they estranged like you know? Or were they
Speaker 1: like tight? And he's like, I don't know, I'd rather
Speaker 1: like take the hit. I mean, I have so many questions.
Speaker 1: I feel like I there's nothing. I just you know,
Speaker 1: makes me sick. It makes me sicker than like people
Speaker 1: being in jail that like wrongfully accused. I feel like
Speaker 1: the government should pay for you, like to live till
Speaker 1: till you die. It makes it's like so insane. I
Speaker 1: feel like should get such a payout if you spent
Speaker 1: any time at all in jail. Ronfly accused. But that's
Speaker 1: a you know, a different topic. Well, what's so crazy
Speaker 1: is apparently uh in the judge ruled smith is Smith's
Speaker 1: confession not credible the letter Yeah, and so that's so
Speaker 1: wild and uh Smith the twin had been denied and
Speaker 1: appeal himself as he was already serving out a year
Speaker 1: sentence for a home invasion where a child was shot ahead,
Speaker 1: so prosecutors were questioning the motives behind the confession, telling
Speaker 1: the judge that he only came forward after a court
Speaker 1: upheld his own convention for attempted murder at the time.
Speaker 1: So it just seemed like maybe he just wanted to
Speaker 1: get his brother off because he was already going to bed. That,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's explains why he did it then. But
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting as well. So we're talking about Kevin Dugard, right,
Speaker 1: and then his twin brother, Carl Smith. They're twins. They
Speaker 1: don't even have the same name. I knew you were
Speaker 1: going to bring that up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe people you know? Huh do you think
Speaker 1: I have a long last twin? Yeah, who's not a
Speaker 1: comedian and just doesn't use curse words and lives a
Speaker 1: normal life. And maybe he's married with children somewhere in
Speaker 1: the Midwest. She's born a ship, don't worry about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so crazy. I need I need information on that.
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe they're very progressive Dmitri and one of
Speaker 1: them took their wives last names. Maybe each committing and whatnot.
Speaker 1: All right, I think let's take a quick break before
Speaker 1: we had into our final case for today. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. Stay safe in between the commercial break and
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Speaker 1: back to Real Time Crime. I hope you did not
Speaker 1: commit a thirty second crime while waiting for the podcast
Speaker 1: to return, and if you did, Mozeltov alright, our next case.
Speaker 1: Our next case is about Jody, who's in truant. I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of you have heard about this case,
Speaker 1: but if not, I'll give you a little background info.
Speaker 1: Jody was a twenty seven year old morning news anchor
Speaker 1: in Mason City, Iowa, at CBS affiliate k i m T.
Speaker 1: She worked in Cedar Rapids in Minnesota and back to
Speaker 1: Iowa at k i m T. And what happened was
Speaker 1: in the early hours of June, she disappeared on her
Speaker 1: way to work as an anchor of the daybreak show
Speaker 1: k I m T. The producer called her at four
Speaker 1: in the morning when she didn't arrive for work, assuming
Speaker 1: that she had overslept, and answered and was rushing you
Speaker 1: to get to work. By six am, she still had
Speaker 1: not arrived. Since she didn't show up to work seven am,
Speaker 1: the staff called the police to do a welfare check
Speaker 1: and found her belongings scattered and her ma's de Miata
Speaker 1: still in the parking lot of her apartment building. There
Speaker 1: was a clear sign of a struggle on her way
Speaker 1: to her car. They found a partial pomp print at
Speaker 1: the scene. And just so you know, Jody was single
Speaker 1: and she lived alone and her apartment was located next
Speaker 1: to a river. Three neighbors told investigators they heard a
Speaker 1: scream in the early hours of June seven, and saw
Speaker 1: a white van in the parking lot, which to this
Speaker 1: day has never been identified. ABC News is just aired
Speaker 1: a special on her case Friday, January, which is bringing
Speaker 1: attention back to the case. So the case. Nine months
Speaker 1: before her disappearance, she reported someone was following her in
Speaker 1: a white truck while she was out on a run
Speaker 1: and while police were investigating the site, a man claiming
Speaker 1: to be a friend of Jody's named John Vinciss was
Speaker 1: also just want to let you know Van is in
Speaker 1: his last name. Dance Eyes was the last man to
Speaker 1: see her. Drove to the apartment and was cooperative with police.
Speaker 1: There were reports of Jody hanging out with a mail
Speaker 1: the night before, banging on the door for two to
Speaker 1: three minutes saying Jody let me in. Police found the
Speaker 1: toilet seat up in her apartment and wine glasses. Also
Speaker 1: the night before, Jody attended a charity golf event at
Speaker 1: a country club and left around a p m. John
Speaker 1: said that Jody came over to his house after she
Speaker 1: left the charity event to watch a fifteen minute video
Speaker 1: of her birthday party, then went home, but Jody was
Speaker 1: home by eight twenty four because she made a long
Speaker 1: distance phone call to a friend. So factoring in the
Speaker 1: ten minute drive to John's place after the country club
Speaker 1: and the length of the video, then Jody's drive home,
Speaker 1: the timeline doesn't add up. She would have been home
Speaker 1: at five, but she made the call. See that's how
Speaker 1: you collect details from a crime scene. Not that they
Speaker 1: solved it, but at least look at all that information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not that it helped at all, but look at all
Speaker 1: that information. I mean, it's just okay, keep fine, all right, well, yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: John was forty nine years old, Jodi was twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old, and John had a fancy boat named after Jody.
Speaker 1: There was was it a yacht or was it a cameman?
Speaker 1: Was it like a dinghy? Like? What kind of boat? Like?
Speaker 1: Is John like a sugar daddy? All right, let's uh,
Speaker 1: we'll go a little bit more into the details. And okay,
Speaker 1: there was spiculation on when he named the boat before
Speaker 1: or after her disappearance? What can't you, I mean, when
Speaker 1: when did he put it on the boat? When did
Speaker 1: you name the boat? Don't don't they have records of that?
Speaker 1: You feel like that thing about great information? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like who painted Jody on the name on the boat.
Speaker 1: How do we think that seems like we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: that info. I have no tolerance for I guess we'll
Speaker 1: never know. It's like, no, that's right. Yeah. In Jody's journal,
Speaker 1: she wrote about John in a very positive manner, saying
Speaker 1: that she went and water skiing with him, had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun with him, and like they had a
Speaker 1: father daughter relationship. M that's what I said when I
Speaker 1: was dating a man he was fifty two. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't get far enough DM too. That
Speaker 1: really hurt. Honestly, you know, he didn't love me and
Speaker 1: already triggered by the boat stuff. Yeah, okay, um. John
Speaker 1: was on a walk with his friend La Donna Woodsford
Speaker 1: at six am, but police say Jody was abducted at
Speaker 1: four am. Shahn said he was sleeping at four am.
Speaker 1: A lot of people believed he had something to do
Speaker 1: with it. He took a polygraph test and passed twice.
Speaker 1: But don't we know that all polygraph tests aren't accurate.
Speaker 1: And also we have a detail that's coming in two
Speaker 1: seconds that will make me feel even more like this
Speaker 1: isn't true. So he was subpoenut In twenty seventeen and
Speaker 1: asked to provide finger and palm prints in grand jury proceedings.
Speaker 1: April nineteen issued statements saying living he was living in
Speaker 1: a suspended hell and had no involvement in the abduction.
Speaker 1: But John has recently been diagnosed with progressive Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 1: He's still a person of interest but has not yet
Speaker 1: been charged for anything. So let me just ask you
Speaker 1: this question. If you have progressive Alzheimer's disease and you
Speaker 1: take a polygraph test, is it possible you pass because
Speaker 1: you literally forgot You literally don't know or remember the
Speaker 1: information that is true. Maybe that's possible, but it depends
Speaker 1: on when these were taken, because this happened in But
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. I mean, I'm just this is
Speaker 1: a serious question, like if you have Alzheimer's or dementia,
Speaker 1: or is it possible that you could pass a polygraph
Speaker 1: test because you actually don't have access to that memory anymore? Right?
Speaker 1: Or you like believe I always wonder if you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes people just tell themselves something enough that they both
Speaker 1: like truly believe it, like they're but you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of like enough that you would pass the polygraph.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, can we back up?
Speaker 1: Did he report was he was? He was? They said
Speaker 1: he was um cooperative? Did he report her and stabbed
Speaker 1: him in for a question the staff at her job?
Speaker 1: Her job? That's right, Okay, they just said he was
Speaker 1: like cooperative. I mean, do you know anybody suspicious to like, well,
Speaker 1: there's a forty nine year old guy who named his
Speaker 1: boat after her and maybe check that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the thing that it just makes me feel like they
Speaker 1: that her going to his place was a quick fight
Speaker 1: or something like. It makes me feel that she drove
Speaker 1: over there after this charity event because they were in
Speaker 1: a fight or something, and it like it was like
Speaker 1: something happened quickly, it blew up, and then she went
Speaker 1: home and then he came and and well then she
Speaker 1: would have gotten like I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: time the scream was, but the go go to someone's
Speaker 1: house for fifteen minutes to watch a video is like
Speaker 1: that that doesn't make sense. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: there was like some sort of low up and she
Speaker 1: left like hurriedly and went home and called her friend
Speaker 1: on a long distance call to like talk about this
Speaker 1: thing that happened. Also, what was the birthday video. Was
Speaker 1: he showing her something that was like who's that guy?
Speaker 1: Or you know, I mean there could have been a
Speaker 1: fight about something like that because it's her birthday video.
Speaker 1: She was there, so what does she have to run
Speaker 1: over there to watch this thing? No, it was so
Speaker 1: odd the other on a birthday video? What do you
Speaker 1: mean birthday video? I mean that was so it's like
Speaker 1: what what was there a videographer there? What are we
Speaker 1: talking about? Was in a cam quarter? Did he have
Speaker 1: some he edited her a birthday video? All this information
Speaker 1: about the video. I love that that he's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, who's this guy you're talking to in the video?
Speaker 1: Like that's my thought. And also the fact that someone
Speaker 1: mysteriously was banging at her door or door late at
Speaker 1: night saying let me in, and then they found the
Speaker 1: toilet seat up. A KM man came in and that
Speaker 1: there were wine glasses. You know, it was like he
Speaker 1: came in, they hung out. They continue to fight. The
Speaker 1: van is suspect, I mean the van is us vans
Speaker 1: are always stussed. Don't get a white van if you're
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, and then who doesn't want to seem
Speaker 1: like he's committing or about don't get a white van.
Speaker 1: Did more than one person even, like like say to
Speaker 1: see the van or was it maybe somebody just trying
Speaker 1: to be involved? They're like, I saw a white man,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like, do we really know there
Speaker 1: was a white van found at her parking lot that
Speaker 1: never been identified to be owned by anyone, which is
Speaker 1: so wild, And no fingerprints or anything they found. They
Speaker 1: found one half palm print. That's all they found, and
Speaker 1: that's why they took his fingerprint and pop pop print
Speaker 1: palm print. I mean, all men are dogs, sorry to
Speaker 1: Ma tra So you know, I do think that it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that he didn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with it. And the fact that he was
Speaker 1: just going for a walk at six am with a
Speaker 1: friend seems like a great alibi, but obviously he could
Speaker 1: have been awake at four him committed the crime and
Speaker 1: then went for a walk with his friend. It like,
Speaker 1: that's the way, huge, where's his alibi from nine pm
Speaker 1: or ten? Yeah, the only time I go for a
Speaker 1: walk at six am is when I was up at four.
Speaker 1: The thing is, like, does he normally go for walks
Speaker 1: at six a m? Is that his exercise routine? Right?
Speaker 1: If that was my alibi, they'd be like, that's such
Speaker 1: a lie. You've never been up at six ever, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if I'm up at six, I'm not springing into action.
Speaker 1: But does he have an alibi from? I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess why are not the detectives on this case? I
Speaker 1: just this the thing about It's like, you've got to
Speaker 1: look at this relationship, like because she's writing her journal
Speaker 1: about him, he names a boat after her, Like what
Speaker 1: what you know? What's going on there? Yeah? No, but
Speaker 1: you know what, you bring up a good point. I
Speaker 1: feel like we should be the investigators on this. We
Speaker 1: have really ramped up from the beginning of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we had like two or three
Speaker 1: more cases, we'd probably solve one of them percent. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is my dream to be, like, well, actually I
Speaker 1: want to be I guess, I guess a detective. I
Speaker 1: want to interrogate people is my true calling. Like that's
Speaker 1: what I don't know that I'm like, I really want
Speaker 1: to be like a fullblam detective, but I want to
Speaker 1: be the like interrogator that's finding like plot holes and
Speaker 1: when people are lying. Like that's what I feel like
Speaker 1: I had to have like a it's in my soul.
Speaker 1: I would hate to be any of your ex boyfriends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's brutal for sure. I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: dating just made me realize that is my true calling.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, Yeah, you're like, Okay, And so he ghosted,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the bottom of this case. He
Speaker 1: better be dead, so okay. So, so there are some
Speaker 1: more details in this case. The case then turned to
Speaker 1: a serial rapist, Tony Jackson, who lived in Mason City,
Speaker 1: just a few blocks from k I m T at
Speaker 1: the time of Jody's disappearance. Tony was convicted of rape
Speaker 1: two years after Jody went missing. The crimes are unrelated,
Speaker 1: by the way, and if sawmate reported that Tony spoke
Speaker 1: about murdering an anger woman and her body was in Tiffin, Iowa,
Speaker 1: about two and a half hours from Mason City. Okay.
Speaker 1: So police searched that area and found no signs of
Speaker 1: human remains. Jackson spoke to from prison and denied he
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the case and was cleared.
Speaker 1: And I'll just say that we do know a lot
Speaker 1: of times people admit to murders that they never committed.
Speaker 1: In crimes that they never committed. We don't know why.
Speaker 1: We don't know it's thrush. We don't know if they
Speaker 1: just want attention. But it's possible that that's not true.
Speaker 1: Another theory was of the death of Bill Pruin, who
Speaker 1: died three months before Jodie went missing of a gunshot
Speaker 1: wound to the head, and it was first ruled a suicide,
Speaker 1: but changed too could not be determined. Another man, Thomas
Speaker 1: of course Catin, was also brought up. He lived forty
Speaker 1: five minutes from Mason City at the time, and he
Speaker 1: owned a white van that he used with prostitutes. He
Speaker 1: was later convicted of sex crimes and is serving his
Speaker 1: time at jail. Jodie declared legally dead by her family
Speaker 1: in June two one. But like that feels like easy,
Speaker 1: Like I mean not just just because you're uh sex offender,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're a murderer. Like if she had no
Speaker 1: no connection to him whatsoever. I'm not defending the rape
Speaker 1: the sex offender, But like, I don't even where did what?
Speaker 1: Why did they think Bill Pruin did it? I read,
Speaker 1: I read the int you guys sent his His family
Speaker 1: is like, can you guys stop? Like this is her dad,
Speaker 1: like he died three months before she disappeared, So I
Speaker 1: don't I was even a suspect. What was what have
Speaker 1: a criminal record? I've missed that. So apparently some people
Speaker 1: think that because she was investigating his death that oh
Speaker 1: he was murdered. Oh she was investigating his okay, And
Speaker 1: I don't think it a danger. So he's not a suspect.
Speaker 1: It's whoever may have killed Bill now that may have
Speaker 1: then come after her and we never know who killed
Speaker 1: But I thought his daughters were saying like they were defending.
Speaker 1: I don't know like why John got off the hook
Speaker 1: with the polygraph basically, which you can't even It doesn't
Speaker 1: hold up in court, does it, Because it's based on
Speaker 1: like people's heart and the blood and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: so they what if you don't have a heart? But
Speaker 1: also like were there not like were there not like
Speaker 1: lip marks on the wine glasses like the like he
Speaker 1: did he wash the wine? Like what weren't there multiple
Speaker 1: wine glasses the toilet seat, like was he they're wearing gloves? Well,
Speaker 1: I know when I go to a man's house, I
Speaker 1: don't leave a trace of DNA. I just don't want
Speaker 1: the other girl to know about me also because I
Speaker 1: don't like to do a classic leave behind, you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm done with feer boxers. Yeah. No, I I
Speaker 1: think that it's clear that who There are four men
Speaker 1: named in the case, but I think John is the
Speaker 1: most suspicious in my opinion. I want to hear everything.
Speaker 1: I want to hear like John's whole night, like I
Speaker 1: want it's like I want them to be like, Okay, John, Well,
Speaker 1: she she made a call from a landline, you know,
Speaker 1: at this time, so you actually she wasn't there for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes? Like what, like I need all the information
Speaker 1: there and then so okay, so she came at age,
Speaker 1: she left a fifteen what'd you do till you went
Speaker 1: on your six am walk? Do you normally? Like? I
Speaker 1: have so many more questions for John. Here's who I
Speaker 1: want to talk to. But he also has progressive Alzheimer's,
Speaker 1: so he might not even have the ability allegedly allegedly, Oh, Ashley,
Speaker 1: very good Ashley. But here's the deal. Didn't they say
Speaker 1: John went for a walk at six am with a friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the friend. I want to
Speaker 1: know what John's behavior was at six o'clock. I want
Speaker 1: to know if they really did go for a walk.
Speaker 1: I want to know what that. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to that friend, and especially since if John does have
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's now I doubt that the friend does as well,
Speaker 1: So right, well, and I want to know from the
Speaker 1: friend what John's five am phone call to her was like. Also,
Speaker 1: if you're going right off no reason, Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: for a walk with a friend at six You also
Speaker 1: know when they painted their boat. That's hilarious, right, but
Speaker 1: for real, like that, there is certain things that somebody
Speaker 1: like that can answer. But also like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just unfortunate that boat. The types of case that, just
Speaker 1: like with Lawrence Smithfield, where if they don't get the
Speaker 1: evidence when the case happens, they're not going to get it.
Speaker 1: So it's like if they didn't get DNA sample from
Speaker 1: the wine glass, they're not going to get it now
Speaker 1: twenty years later, you know. I mean, this is just
Speaker 1: such a tragedy. I hope that some thing cracks in
Speaker 1: the case now that there's more attention to it. But
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just wait to find out more information,
Speaker 1: Like I would want to know, like the wine glasses
Speaker 1: are part of this, We're part of the investigation. So
Speaker 1: there when you drink wine, they're full blown fingerprints and
Speaker 1: lip like. So if there were no trace of fingerprints,
Speaker 1: that's a sign that someone like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like were you wearing gloves drinking wine? And also if
Speaker 1: you're going if you're going in with gloves or ready
Speaker 1: to kill this? O? G y N like us. But
Speaker 1: like if you're going to kill somebody, do you and
Speaker 1: you're wearing gloves? You're that prepared? Are you having a
Speaker 1: glass of wine? I don't know? Ask O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: If you see if somebody sits down with you and says, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to jar to your glass and they
Speaker 1: put on rubber gloves, yeah, and like how did they
Speaker 1: put the glove on? Was it like? And then you
Speaker 1: just you're that master figures, so meticulous, but you didn't
Speaker 1: put the toilet sea down? Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Lot's not adding up here? And do we have any
Speaker 1: final thoughts before we wrap for the day on a
Speaker 1: what all of it? Anything? Yeah? Life? The meaning of it? Me?
Speaker 1: I just I just feel like I will stopped. I'll
Speaker 1: talk about this with everybody. Tide like I have to
Speaker 1: go to the stand Tide I'll just be like, did
Speaker 1: you guys know about this case? From I will not.
Speaker 1: I'll just this is all I'm gonna care about. I'll
Speaker 1: be in the basement tonight, you guys. The next time
Speaker 1: I talked to Ashley, she has a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: But I just want, like I want someone to tell
Speaker 1: me the story and me just be like what about this?
Speaker 1: Like I just I like to think about this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I just can't do it too much. It
Speaker 1: will consume my life, you know. I mean, welcome to
Speaker 1: our lives. This is our life, every week, every every day.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how the podcast started because I
Speaker 1: couldn't stop talking about the Gabby Petito case to anyone
Speaker 1: who would listen, you know, like to a man on
Speaker 1: the street. I was like, hey, have you heard about
Speaker 1: the Gabby Petito case? He's like okay, Um, you know
Speaker 1: apparently they you know, people at Trader Joe's don't like
Speaker 1: having small talk. But that's why I went there. I
Speaker 1: was like, someone here will talk to me, the cashier.
Speaker 1: You would think that's this. This has definitely affected my
Speaker 1: life though. I go, I take dog for a walk
Speaker 1: on like a road up in the hill or something,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, well, this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: dead body around here somewhere. So that's literally what I
Speaker 1: do on the walk is I look for a crime.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. See this is a difference who men and women.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be the victim of a
Speaker 1: crime and you think you are going to see you crime.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta get the mace and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: whose body am I going to discover? Yeah, maybe I'll be,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe the hot convict in London will
Speaker 1: discover my body. God, oh my god. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1: you guys, this has been an extraordinary episode of real
Speaker 1: time crime. We've covered everything and more today and with
Speaker 1: our lovely friend Ashley hessel Tyne and sometimes to tree Ashley,
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Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of both. I like the
Speaker 1: head shot when you're upstairs, but when you're in the basement,
Speaker 1: it's a mug shot exactly. Yeah, you guys, Yeah, your
Speaker 1: head shot is on the wall upstairs. Your mug shot
Speaker 1: is on the wall downstairs. I mean, I could just
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