WEBVTT - I Don't Know Whether to Laugh or Crime

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, social salutes, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Lee Lamar, and today we'll be discussing

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<v Speaker 1>the Laurence smith Fields Detectives the death of Moses J. Moseley,

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<v Speaker 1>a hot fugitive in the UK. Oh a twin getting

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<v Speaker 1>off for murder after the other confesses. Jody, who's in

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<v Speaker 1>truant and Moore and y'all cats out of the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Our co host, Teddy Mellencamp is a contestant on Celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother. This is insane. Okay, this is insane, So

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<v Speaker 1>she's out, but she'll be back soon. Don't worry, do

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<v Speaker 1>not fret my pets. The first episode aired last night,

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<v Speaker 1>so make sure to tune in. And of course, I've

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<v Speaker 1>always got with me my friend sometimes Dmitri Hello, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>Dmitri Hello, Lea, how are you? I'm fabulous. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to let you know I'm taking over for Teddy

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<v Speaker 1>with a hoodie today. I'm I know, I'm wearing a sweatcher.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the best of both worlds. Turn brother. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you imagine if we did a Freaky Friday? Oh boy?

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<v Speaker 1>And lucky for us, we do have a guest co

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<v Speaker 1>host today who's absolutely incredible. She's a friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>she's hilarious stand up comedian, she's one of the co

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<v Speaker 1>hosts of the very popular podcast Girls Got to Eat

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<v Speaker 1>with Rina Greenberg, and she's currently missed of an international tour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my friend, Ashley Hasseltine. I, Um, I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>start out on this note, but it is. I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it, and I felt it immediately in my bones.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I ruined this already, and my name is

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<v Speaker 1>not even but I just let her go with it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my very close friend whose name I definitely know how

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce. So it's okay because I have close friends

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<v Speaker 1>that still get it wrong for me, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I can. I felt your anxiety right where you

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<v Speaker 1>said it, and I was like, is she gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>it right now? It's okay? Yeah? Do you every time

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<v Speaker 1>this happens to You're like, you're just waiting to correct someone? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't like to correct people. I just

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like correcting me, so I always do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I don't get off on it. I don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, you're a have to do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will tell people. I think it's how you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people can't get past what they just think

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<v Speaker 1>it reads as. And like I will tell people a

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<v Speaker 1>host when I when I'm on stage minutes before, I

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<v Speaker 1>will be like, I'll be like, cute, sweet, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I pronounce me that name, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like tell me how, and I'll say and then

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<v Speaker 1>they'll just still do it wrong. I'm like, is this

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<v Speaker 1>am I just being pumped? But yeah, the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>people that call me Leiah after I've corrected them four

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times, I've even thought of a funny way to

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<v Speaker 1>get around it. My funny, I mean so annoying where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm not Princess Leiah, I'm Queen Leah and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, so Leiah, that's that's a little do you

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a little weird, Like that's not what it's Leah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very obviously Leah. Thank you. It's like I'm Jewish, Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>same here it's not ussel Stein. It's just hilarious. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well here we're here. We're just jumping right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Ashley actually damn And that's the podcast. Guys, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for listening today. So Ashley and I

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<v Speaker 1>met in the basement of the stand in New York

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<v Speaker 1>City at a holiday no no, no, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Comedy Festival after party situation, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>hiding from talking to other people. Yeah, we just like

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<v Speaker 1>connected right away, because you know, you just meet people,

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<v Speaker 1>not even just comics. You meet people are just like hot,

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<v Speaker 1>cool or nice or fun to be around. So I

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<v Speaker 1>totally put me in the nice category. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>keep going. I meant pretty thank you, thank you. Ms connected.

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<v Speaker 1>We connected immediately now, um, but yeah, we just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like locked in and we were like, we're haing

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<v Speaker 1>out for the rest of the night. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>attached to hip, We're gonna hit the dance floor, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about our demons. So I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but it was it was fun. I love

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<v Speaker 1>meeting people down there. I met a guy down in

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<v Speaker 1>that basement and we dated for yeah basement, Yeah, only underground,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did keep him in the basement the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly that's my ideal relations down there. Yeah. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>some might say he's still down there. My ideal relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is a man who can't escape the basement, who's just

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<v Speaker 1>handcuffed downstairs, doesn't have social media, can't look at other

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<v Speaker 1>women because he literally can't. Yeah, it's I mean, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so back, someone will cut back to this clip ten

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<v Speaker 1>years from now when they're like and she said on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast in the they're like they were hiding in

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<v Speaker 1>plain sight. This whole time, she said exactly what she wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Every man she ever met was terrified to go downstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>and every time she performed at the stand there were

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<v Speaker 1>no men at the show. Um, yeah, actually, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want don't care like it's you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to tell you because this is kind of relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>So last night yesterday is like the was the five

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<v Speaker 1>year anniversary when I moved to New York, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always like, I don't know, I love a reason to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all my friends together to dinner at one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite restaurants, and then we walked by my

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<v Speaker 1>first apartment because it was on the same corner. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I moved to New York, I moved into a

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<v Speaker 1>building that I truly think was not like inhabitable. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like condemned, like every well every I

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<v Speaker 1>found a true, decently large, one bedroom and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care that every other door in this floor

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<v Speaker 1>has crime tape, Like I don't care that it has

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<v Speaker 1>like caution tape that it looks like a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>For two years I lived in this crime scene. No

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<v Speaker 1>one ever moved in, Like it was like five of

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<v Speaker 1>us in the building. I eventually just stop paying red.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think this is like illegal. But

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<v Speaker 1>my my guy friend would always joke. He's like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you can get laid back here. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a guy, a woman would walk in

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, okay, one door with caution tape, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe a little weird the second door, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get to the back of the hallway. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, a guy could never bring a woman back here.

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<v Speaker 1>She would be like, I'm too scared, And he was

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<v Speaker 1>like I was like, yeah, I have no problems. Like

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<v Speaker 1>what guys don't care if a guy sees the crime tape.

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<v Speaker 1>He just if he's getting late. He's even think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a velvet rope. This is it's my version of

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<v Speaker 1>the velvet rope. I pull it aside. He's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in for a good time. This pitch is crazy. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no guy is gonna be worried about you said you

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<v Speaker 1>want to lock him up in the basement, right, you're gouty.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Ashley, we connected so hard. I wished you

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<v Speaker 1>had to Dick. I know, I was like, could I

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<v Speaker 1>be a last ye? And I think I would kill

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway than to them because or like what my camera?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening here? It's been really nice to knowing you.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, were like my hair, Like what am I doing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're both like turning red and fidgeting with your hair

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<v Speaker 1>like we can take a little stop down if we need,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really not time yet. Okay, let's talk about crime. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also okay, so obviously girls got to eat very popular podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys talk about everything. How did you in rain

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<v Speaker 1>and meet your co host? What's the oddest topic that's

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<v Speaker 1>ever come up on your pod? Um? We met, It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, so, I mean, don't make me tell us. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we met on this influence her trip and her Ruba.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm so sorry, but we've never hed top.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry, um, but we and we connected immediately like

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<v Speaker 1>on this trip again, I'm sure this is true, but listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with you now and she I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know where she is, and uh we this was October. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved to New York like earlier in the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just said it off and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>start a podcast. I wanted to do something about updating

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<v Speaker 1>and sex and relationships, and we just we only were

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<v Speaker 1>friends for a few months when I just was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she'd be the right person to do

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<v Speaker 1>this with. She had like a flexible you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like an influencer lifestyle too, like what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we just just she was like yes, like

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<v Speaker 1>right out of the gate, and I was like, do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel comfortable talking about your sex and personal life?

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<v Speaker 1>She's like yeah, yeah, Like have we've been friends for

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<v Speaker 1>a few months now, I feel like you can pick

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<v Speaker 1>up on that. And I don't give a so, um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we started in February, We started talking about it, getting

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<v Speaker 1>it all together, and launched it in February two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen. So we're coming up on four years. Muzzle

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<v Speaker 1>and Leah, don't let it bother you that she met

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<v Speaker 1>her on like a boat in the Caribbean or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, and she met you in a basement. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. Thank you it. It wasn't like a beach

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<v Speaker 1>that I dinner like toes in the sand. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, Lee, it's just like deflating us. We look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had said it was on a yacht, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have canceled the rest of this. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>There was no yacht, which we went on a catamaran

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<v Speaker 1>the next day. But just a catamaran. That's how I

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<v Speaker 1>know it wasn't that serious. Okay, Iran is the swipe

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<v Speaker 1>left of boats. I don't even know. It wasn't even private.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know, it wasn't don't worry. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>did you even take a private jet together? There? Flu Coach,

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<v Speaker 1>we you know had not hit it big yet. So wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, Fluke Coach, I don't even way um um Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way he's looking the way the side I

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<v Speaker 1>with the dog right now, because of the way zoom

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<v Speaker 1>is I see your name and then I just see

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<v Speaker 1>ears over your name. It's pretty cute, honestly. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the craziest topic you guys have ever discussed? I

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<v Speaker 1>just we've talked about so much in four years, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that we haven't talked about. I I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this, like, um, maybe something just recent we

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<v Speaker 1>can discuss together. We get a lot of emails where

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<v Speaker 1>women are like is this a thing? You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>is this happening in the world. And recently we got

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<v Speaker 1>a few, like more than one emails about women saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they hooked up with guys and the guys left

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<v Speaker 1>their boxers and they were like, is are they doing

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<v Speaker 1>this on purpose? Like are they leaving behind boxers because

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<v Speaker 1>they're leaving in jeans so they know they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>boxers on. You know, you know when your dick hits

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<v Speaker 1>your jeans that this something's off. And uh, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>get along exactly. I mean I don't work underhe so

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<v Speaker 1>I can't relate. But like it's kind of the same

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<v Speaker 1>as leaving without your bra, you know what I mean. Behind.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're like our guys leaving boxers behind. They're like, challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>let me look real quick behind. Maybe this is what

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<v Speaker 1>the kids are doing. Um, but no, that's not so Atlantish.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like one thing. I mean, we've talked about everything, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've talked about Peggy and foot jobs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>p fet dishes. We had a whole episode on guys

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<v Speaker 1>that want to be Pete on you know in their mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, so yeah, but she Um, we had

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<v Speaker 1>this guest on and she was wonderful her and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>watch her on this Spice Show and I we had

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<v Speaker 1>so many topics we like wanted to discuss with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and once she said that she used to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like fill in for this dominatrix and p on guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, the episode was literally so much about that,

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<v Speaker 1>um and where to fill in like a dominatris, so

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like she was like, I wasn't the best

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<v Speaker 1>maina tricks, but I was like some of the she

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<v Speaker 1>was working kind of shadowing this dominatrix and she had

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<v Speaker 1>some clients that she didn't want to go peon and

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<v Speaker 1>that's like all they wanted. So she was like, that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of when I would go substitute dominatrix. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretty good at it and I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>p anxiety, and um, she walked us through it and

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<v Speaker 1>it was so funny. I felt I just felt bad

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm like, I'm so sorry we didn't bring you

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<v Speaker 1>on here to talk about this exclusively. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I thought it was more of a like

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<v Speaker 1>people like to be paid just on their body, brings

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<v Speaker 1>it a new meaning to the term streamer. Yeah exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we are literally live streaming today. That's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring your tarp and it's happy love that for her

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<v Speaker 1>love that. You know. I wonder if, um, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>murderer who might not have committed the crime and all

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<v Speaker 1>named balls and that's why men are leaving behind their

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<v Speaker 1>boxers because there's a hashtag free balls movement going on

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<v Speaker 1>maybe and they just want to be Yeah. Just I

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<v Speaker 1>was just sitting on that one free the free the

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<v Speaker 1>statistical movement. The good news is whatever crimes when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today are going to seem really tame as

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to what we've already talked about. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how far you guys would have been. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I just I feel like I on our show

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<v Speaker 1>four years later. I'm rarely surprised, you know, Like we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about everything. I'm not saying that I am into

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<v Speaker 1>everything that we discussed, but that one caught me off guard.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I always I need details. So you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like once you hear about something for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>you've then get excited by it like you get a

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<v Speaker 1>king for it. No, I know you can't never mind

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<v Speaker 1>moving on, And I think it could not everything. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not not like Pean Like. It didn't make me be

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't I wanna be in someone's mouth. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make me think that. But yeah, I think to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, Yeah, of course sometimes I've heard of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I could be into that. I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought of that before. So yeah, it's it's happened interesting. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And just to really do a one eight here quick pivot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any true crime cases that you're passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about or anything that you like about true crime in general?

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<v Speaker 1>A crime? Um, it's just I've gone to jail, but

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<v Speaker 1>like not anything you know, we really did for what for?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you wyse? Um? Like so many years ago? Uh? Nice?

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<v Speaker 1>So I I wom careful York. Yeah, I was forced

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<v Speaker 1>to move to New York where we don't drive. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was a long time ago. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've been. I've been in jail a couple of times. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I am. So here's the thing. I think that people

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<v Speaker 1>are so obsessed with true crime, and I totally understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not content that I consume all the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>I love it and I almost feel like I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get to invest at all. To keep I'll keep myself

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<v Speaker 1>up at night, like I won't like I get so obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think about that, like Malaysian flight that they

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<v Speaker 1>just never found, Like I'm like, where's is the thing?

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<v Speaker 1>They Oh, they did find the plane. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>found pieces of it that had watched that because I

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<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with that too, and I was like, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced this plane was just taken by a UFO

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<v Speaker 1>and I was through. I was I was happy going

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<v Speaker 1>on with that. And then one day they found some wreckage.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just tell you guys, we know more about

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<v Speaker 1>space than we know about the ocean. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe the aliens are in the ocean. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>why I don't quit it. I do not go in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. I will dip a pinky toe in I

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<v Speaker 1>and not like really, you won't go in the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>at all. The ocean. I've seen Sharknado. I know what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in there. I am actually terrified of like water,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like if people if someone was like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a tidal wave three thousand miles away, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, get a high ground. Yeah. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>people think they can like fight nature fight like water,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, I think the ocean is terrifying. Like what

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<v Speaker 1>even um like, I mean, I'll go on a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a white girl. I gotta take take anytime

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<v Speaker 1>I can go. But like, even watching Titanic, like the

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<v Speaker 1>images alone, I like, I feel like I feel scared

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<v Speaker 1>of like big boats and like, you know, keep it

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<v Speaker 1>on the catamaran and the minute, you know, the smaller yachts.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's something about it that, like, the ocean is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>They built a Titanic too, and I just remember thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is destined to crash. There's no way won't.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I did recently post on my Instagram story

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<v Speaker 1>because I was obsessed with the Titanic photos of behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes of them shooting the Titanic and they all

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<v Speaker 1>are just wearing floaties and I'm like this, this ruined

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. Yeah, I've seen some of those photos. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I didn't need to see Leo and like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that a babe you would wear when they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying trying to learn how to swim, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>also can we all agree there was room for two

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<v Speaker 1>on the door that she was She was just like

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding. I want to be rich, you know. She

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know sometimes I like to stretch out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I feel like people have like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they'll be like a think piece that's like funny,

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<v Speaker 1>and people like actually do it. They like figure out

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<v Speaker 1>like if you ever seen like I've seen these articles

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<v Speaker 1>of like every injury and home alone, like what it

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<v Speaker 1>would have done done to them? You know, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think somebody did, like figure out if they could

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<v Speaker 1>both fit on the door, like they could they could have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they could have. But you know, she likes to sprawl

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<v Speaker 1>out on the King bed. I get it. Okay, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta take a quick break and I promise we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to crime right after this. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>been having a lot of fun chatting away will be

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<v Speaker 1>RB and we're back. Welcome back to Real Time Crime,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. We are now going to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>crime part of Real Time and we're going to hit

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<v Speaker 1>some of our hot topics. I'm joined by our co

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<v Speaker 1>host Ashley Hustle Time and nailed it and also co

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<v Speaker 1>host sometimes Dmitri, who is often Dmitri. He's been upgraded

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<v Speaker 1>just for now, Dmitri, don't get too used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna trust me. I'm aware of that question.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask a question? This is I swear, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not this is I'm asking for a friend. We

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<v Speaker 1>never get a crime in this epode? Are you? This

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<v Speaker 1>is my plan the whole time, I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about crime. Um, wait a second, can we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Britney Spears. I'm like, yeah, let's go. Um, Dmitri,

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<v Speaker 1>are you single? I'm not okay, wait wait wait wait

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<v Speaker 1>wait he looks like rain is type. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if like Brian Laundry. Sorry Dmitri had Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>like I really took you know, you really took it

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<v Speaker 1>down for us, Like no, we're way better looking than him. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to thank you. And I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>those murderous tendencies than you wouldn't go that far. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have a diary there? Do you have a journal?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like to go hiking? Lose journal? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a white fan? Okay, okay, straight to hell? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>can I just say I think that made to meet Frezier. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Leoh. Yes, so on top of everything you've

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<v Speaker 1>insulted me with, she has now hit me with. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>has ever asked Dmitri if he was available. That's sweet, awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everybody can meet in the basement. Oh boy, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go straight into the hot topics after that

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<v Speaker 1>hot topic. No, I'm not wearing hot topic. I hate

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<v Speaker 1>I hate my self. Okay, guys, guys, we're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we've already wasted like hours of podcast time off. No,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing has been wasted except for you when you were

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<v Speaker 1>driving a car Ashley. But I that was great. That

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<v Speaker 1>was great. Also, how many do U I s? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have? Um? Two and a half for you on

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<v Speaker 1>the half one? Did we get a good lawyer, the

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<v Speaker 1>best lawyers? Yeah? It was I I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this like that's when we really wanted you, not someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's Jewish. You know. His name was Thomas Thomas. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my lawyers. Um, I can't make it up. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was the best. And uh yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>not I taught I used to be a little more like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's a serious topic. I used to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a little more flippantly. I'm way more careful now

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like not cool, you know. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a you know, a bad time in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I was super irresponsible and I racked up a few

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<v Speaker 1>so uh and now you know, I can't tell people enough,

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<v Speaker 1>like don't do it obviously, you know, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to, we have uber and a shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Thomas the names so nice. They named it twice

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<v Speaker 1>exactly and also forces you to live in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>New York after that. But okay, you guys, so all right,

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<v Speaker 1>time to jump into the actual pod topics for today.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we've been talking about Lawrence smith Fields

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<v Speaker 1>for the last couple of weeks, and yes, folks, there's

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<v Speaker 1>more detectives involved in the death case of Laurence Smith's.

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<v Speaker 1>Fields are now suspended, so we already know much about

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<v Speaker 1>this case. And Lawrence smith Fields was found dead in

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment after date last month, and now the two

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<v Speaker 1>detectives have been placed on administrative leave and they're being

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<v Speaker 1>investigated by the Police Department's Internal Affairs office. According to

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<v Speaker 1>the mayor, disciplinary actions may also be taken against them

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<v Speaker 1>due to a lack of sensitivity of public and failure

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<v Speaker 1>to follow police policy in the handling of two cases.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll get to the other case in just a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unacceptable failure if policies were not followed. The mayor said.

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<v Speaker 1>The detectives were also being investigated for their handling of

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Brenda Lee Rawls, who was found dead

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<v Speaker 1>and alone in her apartment on the same day as

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<v Speaker 1>smith Fields. The families of both smith Fields and Rawles

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that the police failed to notify them of the

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<v Speaker 1>deaths and say they learned of them from other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Both women are black, and the supervisory officer who was

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of overseeing these investigations retired from the department

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, the mayor said, adding at the cases are

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<v Speaker 1>both under active investigation and have been reassigned. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting news. And I know that last episode daf

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<v Speaker 1>Nique was and all of us were discussing how they

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<v Speaker 1>think that race has something to do with why these

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<v Speaker 1>deaths were underreported and not fully investigated, especially in that town.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I think, what do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>think about the chance that they go back over the

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<v Speaker 1>cases and the details and find out what really happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that it's going to be reassigned, Well, do they

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<v Speaker 1>have more details about the like cause of death? Here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's the interesting time that iry. No, it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>details were so poorly investigated from the whole thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole problem. So part of me thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>this might be one of those cases. I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>these don't go unsolved. But you know, they never even

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<v Speaker 1>investigated Matthew law Fountain, who was the last person with

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<v Speaker 1>her and was the person who reported her dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>with that investigation, is the last person to see her alive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so they could re investigate and they could bring

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<v Speaker 1>him in for further questioning. But I don't know. This

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<v Speaker 1>is so disappointing and so odd that two of the

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<v Speaker 1>detectives are are now out. I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rambling. I understand. I do understand why people I

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<v Speaker 1>want to discuss the race aspect of it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that came up a lot with Gabby Petito, where it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, uh, do you know how many Indigenous women

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<v Speaker 1>have been missing? You know that no one ever talks

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<v Speaker 1>about um and which is It's not to take away

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<v Speaker 1>from her case, but it was kind of like why

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<v Speaker 1>does this feel like this is getting so much attention

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<v Speaker 1>because it's this white girl, you know, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people of color were like, can we

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<v Speaker 1>get some attention on these people who have been missing

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<v Speaker 1>and unsolved for for so long? It's been going on

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. Um, so yeah, I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>just that's so devastating. I just where is this again?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you remind me in Bridgeboro? Okay? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I mean that has to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's it's terrifying of you that you think

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<v Speaker 1>that like these people who were you know, whatever whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you are supposed to you know, protect and serve, are

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 1>like finding dead bodies and not even like doing the

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>bare minimum. I'm not even telling the family that like

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the family isn't even like that's insane, Like listen, I've

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>half asked a bunch of jobs in my life, but

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>not never a job like that, especially this one. Yeah.

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 1>I was trying not to say it, but thank you.

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>But when you're like, that's your job, and there's people

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>that don't know where their loved one is, and you,

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't even cross your mind in two

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>days to reach out and let them know, even just

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>on like a human like compassion level, Like do you

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>don't think there's people that want to know where this

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a person is? This is someone's daughters, is someone's you know, sister, mother,

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe friends, like girlfriend, Like it's just it's like pretty insane.

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that what you're feeling? Like is are

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>people thinking that that the cops had something to do

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>with it? Or is it just like the problem is

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that they did it, they went about it. I think

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it's uncertain. But also Bridgepoort is a predominantly white neighborhood,

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>which we discussed last episode, so that is of importance here.

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is, in the case of Brenda

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Lee Rawls, her body was at the medical Examiner's office

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 1>on December fourteenth, two days after she was pronounced dead,

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>and the police never notified them of her death. What

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>m hmm, all like white police. Well, the family apparently

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>later in the week learned um that a detective had

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>been assigned to the case, and they left him at

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>least four messages and he never even returned them. And

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he's one of the two detectives who was suspended and

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>put on administrative leave. It's not like it's I mean, listen,

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on in Dgeport, but if

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't sound like they're too busy with like the raging,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, crime of this huge metropolis. Not that that's

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 1>an excuse, but like, what else are you guys even doing,

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, you had one job, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 1>And and in the case of of Laurence smith Fields,

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>like they didn't even handle the crime scene appropriately. So

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>that's that. Now that's twice to your the top two

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 1>things on your job. Listening, I would assume for something

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like this, seal off the crime scene and do everything

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>you need to do and notify the family. Neither one

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 1>was done, So I mean you cannot continue to work

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>or I mean, I don't know, who knows. I know,

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it's so hard to put a cop out of work,

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 1>but like what, yeah, it's like that's why I said,

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>like the bare minimum. It feels like yep. And also

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Brenda and Lauren died on the same day. Do we

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>think that there could be any relation? Oh my god,

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have no idea. That sounds that's pretty crazy. Yeah,

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>but in Bridgeport, I don't, no, I don't, I I

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't mind. My instinct is to think it's

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>not related, especially since Lawrence was like a drug overdose.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Whether it was accidental or not, I don't know. I

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 1>don't know what was the other Uh what was the

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Brendily Rawls cause of death? Do we know? We don't

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>know yet. SOA hasn't let us know. M Right, all right,

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>it's time for us too. And the only reason I'm

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>moving through this because we've talked about it for the

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>last few episodes. Um. But yeah, this is devastating and despicable,

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm really glad they were suspended, and I hope

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that justice can be served with new detectives on the case. Right,

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's move on to our next hot topic.

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to say right now, trigger warning suicide.

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this podcast, Trigger warning always murder

0:28:54.920 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>suicide Leah's jokes. Okay, So Walking Dead star Moses J.

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Moseley found dead at thirty one, and the cops do

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>suspect suicide. He was famous for playing one of the

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>zombies in The Walking Dead and they're investigating the circumstances

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 1>around his death. They said that they found his body

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday in the Hudson Bridge area of Stockbridge, Georgia, and

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the bridge covers a freeway. They're told that there's an

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>active investigation into how his body ended up in the

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>area and whether or not foul play was involved. Apparently,

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the family said they hadn't heard from him since Sunday

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>of the week prior, and they called the hospitals to

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>no avail, and on Wednesday morning they filed the missing

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>police person's report. Riley, please help me. On Wednesday morning

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>they filed a missing person's report. Then they contacted on Star,

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>which tracked the car and that's how they discovered the body.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>And a family member told the press that Moses died

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<v Speaker 1>up a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>out who pulled the trigger. So they're saying that it's

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>possibly a suicide, and other people are saying that there

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>might be foul play. Invaulved, what do you guys think?

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Where was the gunshot wound? Again? Information? We don't Why

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>can't they just ask the questions? Ask the questions we're

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>all asking. It's like, why can't they just give us

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>all the information? You know, it's something that should Yeah, like,

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.239
<v Speaker 1>well here's the thing, Okay, since you brought that up.

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Brian Laundry, they found him after he had been underwater

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff, and they're like, yep, you killed himself.

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>And now they found they found Moses. They said, it's

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a gunshot. Woman, Like, we're trying to figure out whether

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>it was a self inflicted gunshot. I feel like, not

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that I have vast knowledge into this type of stuff,

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like they can usually tell pretty quickly

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>whether someone pulled the trigger. I'm sure there's not watch

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>movements after that. Right, So if they found Brian Laundry

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>with a gun and a wet note book and they're like, yeah,

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>he killed himself, and this one that like we're still

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to determine, that makes me think that there's got

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to be something further that leads them to believe that

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe there was foul play. I'm on the same page

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>as you. I'm not like an expert on this, but

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>aren't like gun deaths via suicide and via homicide just

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>totally different. I thought that was like pretty easy to

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out, um not to go down that some morbid road,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>But right, I don't know. Morbid road is actually the

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>new name of this podcast. I'm looking at this guy

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>right now because I used to watch that show pretty regularly. Also,

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I gotta be honest, who uses on Star? I haven't

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>heard that in so long. It really was like, wait,

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>did this happen in but maybe it's coming back and

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>it can you know, this could be a good I

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 1>always sketch. I didn't realize it was a really good

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>when can you got? So? Were you saying that it

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>was like his body maybe I like blocked out again

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>like under a bridge, like in the was it found

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>in the water or like under a bridge? So this

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>is the thing. Is that so the Hudson Bridge um

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>is over a freeway, so it's like an overpad and underpass. Okay,

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>oh got it? Okay I heard bridge. I was like, okay,

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's the other thing too. It's like, if

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna shoot yourself in the head, you don't need

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to also throw yourself off a bridge. Percent I know

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was kind of thinking too, like those

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>don't match up. But then also like what was going

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>on under that bridge? Like is that a place where

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what happens under bridges? But was he involved

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in like something where you meet somebody under a bridge?

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>M hmm, okay, I'm sorry. Detective Ashley's on the case.

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.719
<v Speaker 1>And but at the on Star obviously found the car.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>So was he in his car? I was his car nearby?

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So many questions, so many questions, no answers, But I

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>think that we will probably find out some more in

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the next coming weeks. I feel like the answers there

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>where is the gunshot? Wound? Right like a wire? We're

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>spitting our wheels on this now. I'm like so invested. See,

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 1>this is why I can't like get into this stuff,

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>because I won't be able to let it go. Yeah. Well,

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the problem is, and I don't mean none of us

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>mean to sound callous. We know that that somebody died

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's obviously sad, whether it be suicide or foul place,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>of course. But but the frustrating thing is it seems

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like there's certain things, and probably coming off the last

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>cases we just discussed, there seems like there's more information.

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I know they don't share everything, but to share they

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>suspect suicide, it was gunshot, won't There's some pretty obvious

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>questions that aren't answered, and so you can you can

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>understand why we get riled up talking about it. Also

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the sentence the family member tells us Moses died of

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find out

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>who pulled the trigger. To me, lets me know that

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>there is definitely more information I know, And I just

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I really feel like you. I feel like these statements

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>feel so weird to say because I really don't know,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>but like that, why would you go to this underpass

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to take your own life? I mean, I guess people

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>do whatever, but I mean, it just it feels my

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>instinct feels like someone killed him. I also don't feel

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>like we have all the information. I'm like, did you

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.280
<v Speaker 1>die on the freeway? Did you die above the freeway?

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Did were you shot in the head and then you

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>fell over the bridge? Or did you commit suicide and

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>then fall over the bridge? Was your car? I just

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like there like well and that stuff that you

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>can that like people could see from the body as well,

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>if you fell and like broke bones and had you know,

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>like uh what it like bought trauma to the body? Right?

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And are there no cameras in the area, you know?

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Are there no cameras on bridges? It seems like after

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>everything that happened with bridges and under bridges. They should

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>just build a bridge with cameras in them. So fascinated

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>by bridges and like how they're built. I think it's crazy.

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a topic for another time. No, no, no, speaking

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of bridges, bridges, speaking of bridges, London Bridge is falling down.

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I actually never knew what that meant. But we are

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>heading over to a story in London. I can't wait

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>for this one. Britain's hot fugitive is now in police

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>custody after his mug shot went viral. Daddy sorry, then

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Meeks. Literally they're both hot, but he's so hot,

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>he's unbelievable. I will use this photo later for personal use.

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But I am putting in this bank bank. So the

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 1>London British Police have taken into custody convicted burglar. He's

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>just a burglar, it's not I would not be saying this.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>It was like a different type of cary, like you

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. He's just stealing hearts. Okay. So

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the burglar Jonathan K Hill, whose mug shot they posted

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>on social media last week in hopes of sending him

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>back to prison after a suspected parole violation. Oh, he's

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>such a bad boy. He sparked thousand comments, largely from

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>women offering to help locate him for a totally different reasons.

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what they were. Um. They said that they

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>were asking if you know they people could help locate him,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of women seemed drawn to the thirty

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 1>seven year old blue eyes, chisel jawlines, stony gaze, and

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>his six foot height. Turny okay. Someone said, Daddy, I'm

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.919
<v Speaker 1>in love with the criminal. Love it. Someone else wrote,

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean he has committed a crime, but day someone

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>someone said I have handcuffs. That was so funny. Coups.

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like Leo, which one was yours? Which? What did

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you comment on the Oh mine was too dirty for

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>them to repost in the article, But it's it's hidden.

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 1>It's in the hidden comments section. Just went through a

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>word filter. They were like, Yeah, mine was you can

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>keep me in the basement anytime. Yeah, he's in my basement. Actually,

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you guys. He apparently has been branded the fit, felon

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 1>or criminally hot. Oh my god, yeah yeah, blue eye

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>banded baby. A lot of people compare him to Wakefield's

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>uh Jeremy Niecks, who we brought up earlier. The hot

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>felon who went viral from the California Police Department sharing

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>his mug shot where he was hot a f where

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 1>people are calling him jail Bay. Anyway, do we think

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that people should get recognition for their attractive mug shots?

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>And do you think can we back up to what

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>if you woke up and I was in your house?

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I would be like if I dream mean, like if

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you woke up in that guy's in your home, I

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>would be like, get in my my bedroom, like like

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>what it just it would be so crazy to me

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to like wake up and be like, oh I heard

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a noise and that they're just like yeah, I'd be like, wow,

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I manifest at this. I'd be like, hey, you can

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>take whatever you want, just can you come into the

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>bedroom first? Just oh my god, you got the loube

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>on the way in. Like it's just like so no,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't this is you know, it's weird to talk

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>about it, but we he's hot. It's what it is.

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean he should get off, he should get

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>me off, But I mean it's just it doesn't mean

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that it's like he shouldn't pay for his crimes. Like

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>we could say somebody's hot. Also, how do you got

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty privileged? I know, like that is everything went wrong

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 1>for you that you have a burglar. It's like you're hot, dude,

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>just get an only thing? Well because yes, and also

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like not that I'm condoning this either, but you just

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>like dirty Job. You could like kind of like you

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>could there it is you could like dirty John this

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're that hot too, Like maybe he doesn't want

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to put in the work, but like you could definitely

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 1>scam women for money. Not that I'm endorsing that either,

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>but like you could do this. You could get your

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>bills paid in a different way. You know, I have

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 1>a hundred dollar bill right now with his name on it.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>This guy is basically Channing Tatum if he never got

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a movie role. Here magic but Channing Tatum is like

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>he's um, you know, he's my number one, but his

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>his he doesn't have a good smile. Like I wonder

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>if this guy is a good smile Channing's wrong with

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 1>his teeth are bad and he doesn't look good smiling

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>his smile ruins everything. So I fixed, you would think,

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but maybe I don't know, but I wonder if this guy,

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>like what his teeth looked like, because that could ruin

0:39:53.200 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>everything British British not great. Can we get a smiling yeah?

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Can we uh yeah? Can we pull up a smiling

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 1>photo of him? Thank you? You know, I just think

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it's working for some women, Ashley might not be you.

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Women are literally like masturbating to this guy and there

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and to the thought of him being like a criminal,

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not saying that I am, but I'm not

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 1>saying I am. But can you see my other hand

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.399
<v Speaker 1>didn't wait for a break really right in the middle

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of the segment. I so, I like, was I was

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>so invested in that Jeremy Meeks thing because he was

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>like the original hot, hot criminal whatever. He looked a

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 1>little too, I mean he had the neck tattoos like

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>he he looked a little like I'll take it, but

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>he might cryamp a little like this guy has. He's

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a little more of a little more clan cut looking.

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>They're both hot. I don't know. I don't know why

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>we're doing a Mary kill with these criminals. Do you

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>haven't a third to throw into the mix? Yeah, well,

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>we're working in marrying these guys. Who are we going

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to kill? There is no I don't find a photo

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>with him smiling at all, which granted, most burglars don't

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>walk around smiling. I think they're like, it's like he's

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>looking into every reflection. He's like looking in every mirror,

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>every glass surface. Do you think he knows it's hot? Like, yeah, yeah,

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>he knows he's hot. He's probably committed a lot more

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>burglar and he chose that path. It's just so interesting

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to choose that path when you're like so objectively good looking.

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:31.959
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he thought life was too easy and he wanted

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to make it harder. Mm hmm. You know, he really

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.720
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to make it harder, more of a challenge

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>than having everything handed to him. I get it, all right,

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>let's move on to our next hot topic. Oh my god, alright,

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>hey Chicago man who was released from prison twenty years

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, sorry later, this story is crazy. It

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:02.440
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel crazy, yes, after how crazy? Okay? His

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>twin brother confesses to the murder. Are they hot? L

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>O L So. After two decades being behind bars for

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a murder in two thousand three, a shooting that he

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:22.919
<v Speaker 1>never committed, his identical twin brother finally confesses to the crime.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Dugar broke into tears as he was released from

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 1>the Cook County Jail on Tuesday night and reunited with

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 1>his loved ones as a freeman. Apparently the judge granted

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.320
<v Speaker 1>his release pending trial on a signature bond and he

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>walked out into the open air and breathed his first

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>breath as a freeman in almost twenty years. So what's

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>so crazy about this is he spent twenty years in

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>jail after shooting of a rival gang member. Like I

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>said that he never committed and he was convicted in

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>two dozen five sentence to fifty four years in prison

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>for years he may retained his innocence. And what's so

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>crazy is that this case was described as stranger than

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 1>fiction and a wild plot twist that his twin brother,

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Carl Smith, admitted to having carried out the murder in

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a confession that was made first in a letter to

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>him in nearly a decade after he was convicted. This

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>is so crazy. Do you feel like the brother felt

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 1>no guilt? You know what? The brother The brother admitted

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>this in a letter to his brother, But like the

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>ever surfaced till now? Or why didn't they? Apparently? Yeah,

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>apparently they waited till a confession. What what do you

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>think changed after twenty years to lead to this confession? Well,

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why this didn't happen. What am I

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>not understanding? Let alone? No, yes, I understand that because

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>this is when he sent that letter and admitted to it.

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>But let's go back another ten years, back to when

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 1>it first happened. This guy says he didn't do it. Right,

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>there's a twin brother, right, never once looked into that?

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Well we have any looks like this? Well damn, there's

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody else that looks exactly like that as well. I

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 1>need so much more information. I like will lose sleep

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:18.240
<v Speaker 1>over this exactly that, Like, like was he like wasn't

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>he like maybe it was my jowin brother who's in

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a gang too or something? You know what I mean? Like,

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't it was they said rival gang member? So

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 1>were they both in the gang? Like? Did he just

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>not want to do was he taking the Was he

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>taking the hit for his brother? Maybe because I mean

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they were they estranged like you know? Or were they

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>like tight? And he's like, I don't know, I'd rather

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>like take the hit. I mean, I have so many questions.

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I there's nothing. I just you know,

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 1>makes me sick. It makes me sicker than like people

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 1>being in jail that like wrongfully accused. I feel like

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the government should pay for you, like to live till

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>till you die. It makes it's like so insane. I

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like should get such a payout if you spent

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>any time at all in jail. Ronfly accused. But that's

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a different topic. Well, what's so crazy

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is apparently uh in the judge ruled smith is Smith's

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>confession not credible the letter Yeah, and so that's so

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>wild and uh Smith the twin had been denied and

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>appeal himself as he was already serving out a year

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>sentence for a home invasion where a child was shot ahead,

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>so prosecutors were questioning the motives behind the confession, telling

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the judge that he only came forward after a court

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>upheld his own convention for attempted murder at the time.

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>So it just seemed like maybe he just wanted to

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 1>get his brother off because he was already going to bed. That,

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's explains why he did it then. But

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>here's what's interesting as well. So we're talking about Kevin Dugard, right,

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and then his twin brother, Carl Smith. They're twins. They

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>don't even have the same name. I knew you were

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 1>going to bring that up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean,

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 1>who knows. Maybe people you know? Huh do you think

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I have a long last twin? Yeah, who's not a

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>comedian and just doesn't use curse words and lives a

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 1>normal life. And maybe he's married with children somewhere in

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the Midwest. She's born a ship, don't worry about it. Yeah,

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that's so crazy. I need I need information on that.

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>You know. Maybe they're very progressive Dmitri and one of

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>them took their wives last names. Maybe each committing and whatnot.

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.479
<v Speaker 1>All right, I think let's take a quick break before

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>we had into our final case for today. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Stay safe in between the commercial break and

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<v Speaker 1>before we re emerge into our final case. Where did

0:46:54.560 --> 0:47:09.760
<v Speaker 1>this voice come from? Here? By all right? Everyone, welcome

0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 1>back to Real Time Crime. I hope you did not

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>commit a thirty second crime while waiting for the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to return, and if you did, Mozeltov alright, our next case.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next case is about Jody, who's in truant. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure a lot of you have heard about this case,

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 1>but if not, I'll give you a little background info.

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<v Speaker 1>Jody was a twenty seven year old morning news anchor

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 1>in Mason City, Iowa, at CBS affiliate k i m T.

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 1>She worked in Cedar Rapids in Minnesota and back to

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Iowa at k i m T. And what happened was

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>in the early hours of June, she disappeared on her

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 1>way to work as an anchor of the daybreak show

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>k I m T. The producer called her at four

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in the morning when she didn't arrive for work, assuming

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that she had overslept, and answered and was rushing you

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 1>to get to work. By six am, she still had

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 1>not arrived. Since she didn't show up to work seven am,

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the staff called the police to do a welfare check

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and found her belongings scattered and her ma's de Miata

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 1>still in the parking lot of her apartment building. There

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>was a clear sign of a struggle on her way

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>to her car. They found a partial pomp print at

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 1>the scene. And just so you know, Jody was single

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and she lived alone and her apartment was located next

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to a river. Three neighbors told investigators they heard a

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>scream in the early hours of June seven, and saw

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>a white van in the parking lot, which to this

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>day has never been identified. ABC News is just aired

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>a special on her case Friday, January, which is bringing

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>attention back to the case. So the case. Nine months

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>before her disappearance, she reported someone was following her in

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.399
<v Speaker 1>a white truck while she was out on a run

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and while police were investigating the site, a man claiming

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>to be a friend of Jody's named John Vinciss was

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<v Speaker 1>also just want to let you know Van is in

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 1>his last name. Dance Eyes was the last man to

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>see her. Drove to the apartment and was cooperative with police.

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>There were reports of Jody hanging out with a mail

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the night before, banging on the door for two to

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>three minutes saying Jody let me in. Police found the

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>toilet seat up in her apartment and wine glasses. Also

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the night before, Jody attended a charity golf event at

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 1>a country club and left around a p m. John

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>said that Jody came over to his house after she

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.439
<v Speaker 1>left the charity event to watch a fifteen minute video

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of her birthday party, then went home, but Jody was

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>home by eight twenty four because she made a long

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 1>distance phone call to a friend. So factoring in the

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>ten minute drive to John's place after the country club

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and the length of the video, then Jody's drive home,

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the timeline doesn't add up. She would have been home

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>at five, but she made the call. See that's how

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 1>you collect details from a crime scene. Not that they

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>solved it, but at least look at all that information. Yeah,

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>not that it helped at all, but look at all

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:03.839
<v Speaker 1>that information. I mean, it's just okay, keep fine, all right, well, yeah, okay, Yeah,

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 1>John was forty nine years old, Jodi was twenty seven

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>years old, and John had a fancy boat named after Jody.

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 1>There was was it a yacht or was it a cameman?

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Was it like a dinghy? Like? What kind of boat? Like?

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Is John like a sugar daddy? All right, let's uh,

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll go a little bit more into the details. And okay,

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 1>there was spiculation on when he named the boat before

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>or after her disappearance? What can't you, I mean, when

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 1>when did he put it on the boat? When did

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>you name the boat? Don't don't they have records of that?

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 1>You feel like that thing about great information? Yeah, it's

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:41.359
<v Speaker 1>like who painted Jody on the name on the boat.

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.920
<v Speaker 1>How do we think that seems like we shouldn't have

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that info. I have no tolerance for I guess we'll

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 1>never know. It's like, no, that's right. Yeah. In Jody's journal,

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>she wrote about John in a very positive manner, saying

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that she went and water skiing with him, had a

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun with him, and like they had a

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>father daughter relationship. M that's what I said when I

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 1>was dating a man he was fifty two. I mean,

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess I didn't get far enough DM too. That

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>really hurt. Honestly, you know, he didn't love me and

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 1>already triggered by the boat stuff. Yeah, okay, um. John

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>was on a walk with his friend La Donna Woodsford

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>at six am, but police say Jody was abducted at

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.439
<v Speaker 1>four am. Shahn said he was sleeping at four am.

0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people believed he had something to do

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.760
<v Speaker 1>with it. He took a polygraph test and passed twice.

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But don't we know that all polygraph tests aren't accurate.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 1>And also we have a detail that's coming in two

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 1>seconds that will make me feel even more like this

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>isn't true. So he was subpoenut In twenty seventeen and

0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:55.240
<v Speaker 1>asked to provide finger and palm prints in grand jury proceedings.

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>April nineteen issued statements saying living he was living in

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a suspended hell and had no involvement in the abduction.

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>But John has recently been diagnosed with progressive Alzheimer's disease.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 1>He's still a person of interest but has not yet

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 1>been charged for anything. So let me just ask you

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.719
<v Speaker 1>this question. If you have progressive Alzheimer's disease and you

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 1>take a polygraph test, is it possible you pass because

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>you literally forgot You literally don't know or remember the

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 1>information that is true. Maybe that's possible, but it depends

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>on when these were taken, because this happened in But

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting point. I mean, I'm just this is

0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a serious question, like if you have Alzheimer's or dementia,

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or is it possible that you could pass a polygraph

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>test because you actually don't have access to that memory anymore? Right?

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Or you like believe I always wonder if you know,

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people just tell themselves something enough that they both

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>like truly believe it, like they're but you know, in

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 1>terms of like enough that you would pass the polygraph.

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I mean, can we back up?

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Did he report was he was? He was? They said

0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>he was um cooperative? Did he report her and stabbed

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>him in for a question the staff at her job?

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Her job? That's right, Okay, they just said he was

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:20.359
<v Speaker 1>like cooperative. I mean, do you know anybody suspicious to like, well,

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:21.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a forty nine year old guy who named his

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>boat after her and maybe check that. Yeah, I mean

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the thing that it just makes me feel like they

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:29.879
<v Speaker 1>that her going to his place was a quick fight

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.759
<v Speaker 1>or something like. It makes me feel that she drove

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:35.840
<v Speaker 1>over there after this charity event because they were in

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a fight or something, and it like it was like

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 1>something happened quickly, it blew up, and then she went

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>home and then he came and and well then she

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 1>would have gotten like I mean, I don't know what

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>time the scream was, but the go go to someone's

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>house for fifteen minutes to watch a video is like

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>that that doesn't make sense. It makes me feel like

0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>there was like some sort of low up and she

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>left like hurriedly and went home and called her friend

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>on a long distance call to like talk about this

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 1>thing that happened. Also, what was the birthday video. Was

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>he showing her something that was like who's that guy?

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Or you know, I mean there could have been a

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.399
<v Speaker 1>fight about something like that because it's her birthday video.

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>She was there, so what does she have to run

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.160
<v Speaker 1>over there to watch this thing? No, it was so

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>odd the other on a birthday video? What do you

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>mean birthday video? I mean that was so it's like

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 1>what what was there a videographer there? What are we

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about? Was in a cam quarter? Did he have

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.240
<v Speaker 1>some he edited her a birthday video? All this information

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 1>about the video. I love that that he's like, wait

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a minute, who's this guy you're talking to in the video?

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Like that's my thought. And also the fact that someone

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>mysteriously was banging at her door or door late at

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>night saying let me in, and then they found the

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>toilet seat up. A KM man came in and that

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:53.080
<v Speaker 1>there were wine glasses. You know, it was like he

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 1>came in, they hung out. They continue to fight. The

0:54:56.080 --> 0:55:00.439
<v Speaker 1>van is suspect, I mean the van is us vans

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.319
<v Speaker 1>are always stussed. Don't get a white van if you're

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a man. Yeah, and then who doesn't want to seem

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>like he's committing or about don't get a white van.

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Did more than one person even, like like say to

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>see the van or was it maybe somebody just trying

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to be involved? They're like, I saw a white man,

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, like, do we really know there

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>was a white van found at her parking lot that

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>never been identified to be owned by anyone, which is

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 1>so wild, And no fingerprints or anything they found. They

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>found one half palm print. That's all they found, and

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that's why they took his fingerprint and pop pop print

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.360
<v Speaker 1>palm print. I mean, all men are dogs, sorry to

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Ma tra So you know, I do think that it's

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to believe that he didn't have anything

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to do with it. And the fact that he was

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>just going for a walk at six am with a

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 1>friend seems like a great alibi, but obviously he could

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>have been awake at four him committed the crime and

0:55:56.440 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>then went for a walk with his friend. It like,

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that's the way, huge, where's his alibi from nine pm

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>or ten? Yeah, the only time I go for a

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>walk at six am is when I was up at four.

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, like, does he normally go for walks

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>at six a m? Is that his exercise routine? Right?

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.879
<v Speaker 1>If that was my alibi, they'd be like, that's such

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a lie. You've never been up at six ever, you know. Yeah,

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.280
<v Speaker 1>And if I'm up at six, I'm not springing into action.

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But does he have an alibi from? I mean, I

0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 1>guess why are not the detectives on this case? I

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>just this the thing about It's like, you've got to

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>look at this relationship, like because she's writing her journal

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 1>about him, he names a boat after her, Like what

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:50.360
<v Speaker 1>what you know? What's going on there? Yeah? No, but

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what, you bring up a good point. I

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like we should be the investigators on this. We

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>have really ramped up from the beginning of this podcast.

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like if we had like two or three

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>more cases, we'd probably solve one of them percent. I mean,

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 1>this is my dream to be, like, well, actually I

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>want to be I guess, I guess a detective. I

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:11.560
<v Speaker 1>want to interrogate people is my true calling. Like that's

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 1>what I don't know that I'm like, I really want

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to be like a fullblam detective, but I want to

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.960
<v Speaker 1>be the like interrogator that's finding like plot holes and

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>when people are lying. Like that's what I feel like

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I had to have like a it's in my soul.

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I would hate to be any of your ex boyfriends. Yeah,

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's brutal for sure. I mean I feel like

0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>dating just made me realize that is my true calling.

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean honestly, Yeah, you're like, Okay, And so he ghosted,

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get to the bottom of this case. He

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>better be dead, so okay. So, so there are some

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 1>more details in this case. The case then turned to

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.439
<v Speaker 1>a serial rapist, Tony Jackson, who lived in Mason City,

0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:51.440
<v Speaker 1>just a few blocks from k I m T at

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the time of Jody's disappearance. Tony was convicted of rape

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 1>two years after Jody went missing. The crimes are unrelated,

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:02.280
<v Speaker 1>by the way, and if sawmate reported that Tony spoke

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 1>about murdering an anger woman and her body was in Tiffin, Iowa,

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 1>about two and a half hours from Mason City. Okay.

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 1>So police searched that area and found no signs of

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 1>human remains. Jackson spoke to from prison and denied he

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 1>had anything to do with the case and was cleared.

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And I'll just say that we do know a lot

0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of times people admit to murders that they never committed.

0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.040
<v Speaker 1>In crimes that they never committed. We don't know why.

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't know it's thrush. We don't know if they

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>just want attention. But it's possible that that's not true.

0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Another theory was of the death of Bill Pruin, who

0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 1>died three months before Jodie went missing of a gunshot

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>wound to the head, and it was first ruled a suicide,

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 1>but changed too could not be determined. Another man, Thomas

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>of course Catin, was also brought up. He lived forty

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 1>five minutes from Mason City at the time, and he

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>owned a white van that he used with prostitutes. He

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 1>was later convicted of sex crimes and is serving his

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>time at jail. Jodie declared legally dead by her family

0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in June two one. But like that feels like easy,

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean not just just because you're uh sex offender,

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you're a murderer. Like if she had no

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>no connection to him whatsoever. I'm not defending the rape

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the sex offender, But like, I don't even where did what?

0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Why did they think Bill Pruin did it? I read,

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I read the int you guys sent his His family

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 1>is like, can you guys stop? Like this is her dad,

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 1>like he died three months before she disappeared, So I

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>don't I was even a suspect. What was what have

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a criminal record? I've missed that. So apparently some people

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>think that because she was investigating his death that oh

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>he was murdered. Oh she was investigating his okay, And

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it a danger. So he's not a suspect.

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's whoever may have killed Bill now that may have

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.680
<v Speaker 1>then come after her and we never know who killed

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>But I thought his daughters were saying like they were defending.

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know like why John got off the hook

1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:06.080
<v Speaker 1>with the polygraph basically, which you can't even It doesn't

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.120
<v Speaker 1>hold up in court, does it, Because it's based on

1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>like people's heart and the blood and stuff like that,

1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:12.760
<v Speaker 1>so they what if you don't have a heart? But

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.160
<v Speaker 1>also like were there not like were there not like

1:00:16.480 --> 1:00:19.040
<v Speaker 1>lip marks on the wine glasses like the like he

1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:22.000
<v Speaker 1>did he wash the wine? Like what weren't there multiple

1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:25.800
<v Speaker 1>wine glasses the toilet seat, like was he they're wearing gloves? Well,

1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I know when I go to a man's house, I

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:31.440
<v Speaker 1>don't leave a trace of DNA. I just don't want

1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the other girl to know about me also because I

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:37.800
<v Speaker 1>don't like to do a classic leave behind, you know,

1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:44.320
<v Speaker 1>when I'm done with feer boxers. Yeah. No, I I

1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 1>think that it's clear that who There are four men

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 1>named in the case, but I think John is the

1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:54.840
<v Speaker 1>most suspicious in my opinion. I want to hear everything.

1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear like John's whole night, like I

1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.160
<v Speaker 1>want it's like I want them to be like, Okay, John, Well,

1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:04.440
<v Speaker 1>she she made a call from a landline, you know,

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:06.640
<v Speaker 1>at this time, so you actually she wasn't there for

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes? Like what, like I need all the information

1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.640
<v Speaker 1>there and then so okay, so she came at age,

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:14.560
<v Speaker 1>she left a fifteen what'd you do till you went

1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 1>on your six am walk? Do you normally? Like? I

1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:18.920
<v Speaker 1>have so many more questions for John. Here's who I

1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.920
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to. But he also has progressive Alzheimer's,

1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:27.920
<v Speaker 1>so he might not even have the ability allegedly allegedly, Oh, Ashley,

1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 1>very good Ashley. But here's the deal. Didn't they say

1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.360
<v Speaker 1>John went for a walk at six am with a friend. Yeah,

1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to the friend. I want to

1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.720
<v Speaker 1>know what John's behavior was at six o'clock. I want

1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to know if they really did go for a walk.

1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to know what that. I want to talk

1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to that friend, and especially since if John does have

1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Alzheimer's now I doubt that the friend does as well,

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.720
<v Speaker 1>So right, well, and I want to know from the

1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:56.640
<v Speaker 1>friend what John's five am phone call to her was like. Also,

1:01:56.720 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're going right off no reason, Yeah, we're going

1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.000
<v Speaker 1>for a walk with a friend at six You also

1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:08.360
<v Speaker 1>know when they painted their boat. That's hilarious, right, but

1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:10.800
<v Speaker 1>for real, like that, there is certain things that somebody

1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:15.200
<v Speaker 1>like that can answer. But also like I mean, it's

1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:18.800
<v Speaker 1>just unfortunate that boat. The types of case that, just

1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like with Lawrence Smithfield, where if they don't get the

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:26.040
<v Speaker 1>evidence when the case happens, they're not going to get it.

1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's like if they didn't get DNA sample from

1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the wine glass, they're not going to get it now

1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty years later, you know. I mean, this is just

1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:42.200
<v Speaker 1>such a tragedy. I hope that some thing cracks in

1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the case now that there's more attention to it. But

1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll just wait to find out more information,

1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I would want to know, like the wine glasses

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<v Speaker 1>are part of this, We're part of the investigation. So

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<v Speaker 1>there when you drink wine, they're full blown fingerprints and

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<v Speaker 1>lip like. So if there were no trace of fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a sign that someone like you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like were you wearing gloves drinking wine? And also if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going if you're going in with gloves or ready

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<v Speaker 1>to kill this? O? G y N like us. But

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're going to kill somebody, do you and

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<v Speaker 1>you're wearing gloves? You're that prepared? Are you having a

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<v Speaker 1>glass of wine? I don't know? Ask O. J. Simpson.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see if somebody sits down with you and says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to jar to your glass and they

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<v Speaker 1>put on rubber gloves, yeah, and like how did they

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<v Speaker 1>put the glove on? Was it like? And then you

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<v Speaker 1>just you're that master figures, so meticulous, but you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>put the toilet sea down? Like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Lot's not adding up here? And do we have any

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<v Speaker 1>final thoughts before we wrap for the day on a

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<v Speaker 1>what all of it? Anything? Yeah? Life? The meaning of it? Me?

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just feel like I will stopped. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this with everybody. Tide like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the stand Tide I'll just be like, did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know about this case? From I will not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just this is all I'm gonna care about. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in the basement tonight, you guys. The next time

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Ashley, she has a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want, like I want someone to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me the story and me just be like what about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just I like to think about this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. I just can't do it too much. It

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<v Speaker 1>will consume my life, you know. I mean, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. This is our life, every week, every every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is how the podcast started because I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stop talking about the Gabby Petito case to anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who would listen, you know, like to a man on

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<v Speaker 1>the street. I was like, hey, have you heard about

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<v Speaker 1>the Gabby Petito case? He's like okay, Um, you know

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they you know, people at Trader Joe's don't like

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<v Speaker 1>having small talk. But that's why I went there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, someone here will talk to me, the cashier.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that's this. This has definitely affected my

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<v Speaker 1>life though. I go, I take dog for a walk

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<v Speaker 1>on like a road up in the hill or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, Okay, well, this is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>dead body around here somewhere. So that's literally what I

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<v Speaker 1>do on the walk is I look for a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. See this is a difference who men and women.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to be the victim of a

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<v Speaker 1>crime and you think you are going to see you crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I gotta get the mace and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>whose body am I going to discover? Yeah, maybe I'll be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and maybe the hot convict in London will

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<v Speaker 1>discover my body. God, oh my god. Yeah. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, this has been an extraordinary episode of real

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<v Speaker 1>time crime. We've covered everything and more today and with

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<v Speaker 1>our lovely friend Ashley hessel Tyne and sometimes to tree Ashley,

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<v Speaker 1>where can we find you? On the internet? You can

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Girls Gotta Eat podcasts wherever you listener podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I am ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I go waves. So there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>no fresh TikTok right now, but um on everything, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ashs and Twitter to a s H H E S S.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you. If you're in any work, you come

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<v Speaker 1>see me at the stand. I'm there. All the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just my head shot is all over their website. So

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<v Speaker 1>just check me out. Your mug shot or your head shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a little bit of both. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>head shot when you're upstairs, but when you're in the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mug shot exactly. Yeah, you guys, Yeah, your

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<v Speaker 1>head shot is on the wall upstairs. Your mug shot

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<v Speaker 1>is on the wall downstairs. I mean, I could just

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<v Speaker 1>do this all day, you guys. We're coming to a

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<v Speaker 1>close for today. I just want to remind you if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to leave us a voicemail, we'll play it

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<v Speaker 1>on the pod, will uncover a new case that you

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<v Speaker 1>bring to us. If you've got questions, comments, concerns, thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>about my stupid jokes, please let us know. You know

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<v Speaker 1>the column live number, it's eight six six twenty one crime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's eight six six to anyone crime, eight six six

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<v Speaker 1>to any one crime. That's eight six six two one

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<v Speaker 1>two seven four six three. Actually is the first guest

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<v Speaker 1>host that didn't dance to that? Wow? Actually I was

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna forget that. I'm trying to forget that happened. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I have to go. We have a I have

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<v Speaker 1>like A, Raina, and are one of our other you

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<v Speaker 1>no worries. We know you're busy, okay, busy. I was

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<v Speaker 1>late and now I have to go. Um, but I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you in l A two Dmitri? I am yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from New York though, so I do go back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll stop by the stand next time I'm there. Just

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah. And I mean, if you ever become single,

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<v Speaker 1>just let me know again. This is not for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stress enough. And I mean I find you

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<v Speaker 1>attractive as well, but it's for Raina. Uh. And Raina

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<v Speaker 1>just walked in. Rain I'm on this podcast and I

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<v Speaker 1>asked this rain come over here because where it gets weird?

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<v Speaker 1>And are you guys good lucky Plea's married with kids.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just come see if it's you're type. We

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<v Speaker 1>just need we need a confirmation right now. Raina is gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that your type? Raina? Him? Leah? Is this your type?

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<v Speaker 1>This ugly? Um? I just walk makeup off. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care whatever. You normally have a full out of hand

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole thing. See exactly. My instagram is Raina

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<v Speaker 1>doc Greenberg. If you and your wife ever split up,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see your inn Lex. Thanks for having for us. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well um bye, sorry for making it weird. Okay, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>It's real tung crop, it real toung g. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is it actually real time crime I'm solving anything? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is that just the thing we say, it's a thing

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<v Speaker 1>we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for

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<v Speaker 1>more real time crime, only on I Horror Radio.