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Speaker 1: Hello, social salutes, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Lee Lamar, and today we'll be discussing

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Speaker 1: the Laurence smith Fields Detectives the death of Moses J. Moseley,

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Speaker 1: a hot fugitive in the UK. Oh a twin getting

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Speaker 1: off for murder after the other confesses. Jody, who's in

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Speaker 1: truant and Moore and y'all cats out of the bag.

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Speaker 1: Our co host, Teddy Mellencamp is a contestant on Celebrity

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Speaker 1: Big Brother. This is insane. Okay, this is insane, So

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Speaker 1: she's out, but she'll be back soon. Don't worry, do

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Speaker 1: not fret my pets. The first episode aired last night,

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Speaker 1: so make sure to tune in. And of course, I've

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Speaker 1: always got with me my friend sometimes Dmitri Hello, sometimes

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Speaker 1: Dmitri Hello, Lea, how are you? I'm fabulous. I just

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Speaker 1: want to let you know I'm taking over for Teddy

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Speaker 1: with a hoodie today. I'm I know, I'm wearing a sweatcher.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the best of both worlds. Turn brother. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Can't you imagine if we did a Freaky Friday? Oh boy?

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Speaker 1: And lucky for us, we do have a guest co

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Speaker 1: host today who's absolutely incredible. She's a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: she's hilarious stand up comedian, she's one of the co

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Speaker 1: hosts of the very popular podcast Girls Got to Eat

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Speaker 1: with Rina Greenberg, and she's currently missed of an international tour.

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Speaker 1: It's my friend, Ashley Hasseltine. I, Um, I hate to

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Speaker 1: start out on this note, but it is. I knew it.

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Speaker 1: I knew it, and I felt it immediately in my bones.

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Speaker 1: I thought I ruined this already, and my name is

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Speaker 1: not even but I just let her go with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my very close friend whose name I definitely know how

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Speaker 1: to pronounce. So it's okay because I have close friends

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Speaker 1: that still get it wrong for me, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like I can. I felt your anxiety right where you

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Speaker 1: said it, and I was like, is she gonna get

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Speaker 1: it right now? It's okay? Yeah? Do you every time

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Speaker 1: this happens to You're like, you're just waiting to correct someone? Well,

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't like to correct people. I just

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Speaker 1: like I feel like correcting me, so I always do.

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Speaker 1: Just I don't get off on it. I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, you're a have to do it again.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell people. I think it's how you.

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Speaker 1: I think people can't get past what they just think

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Speaker 1: it reads as. And like I will tell people a

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Speaker 1: host when I when I'm on stage minutes before, I

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Speaker 1: will be like, I'll be like, cute, sweet, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I pronounce me that name, and they'll

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Speaker 1: be like tell me how, and I'll say and then

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Speaker 1: they'll just still do it wrong. I'm like, is this

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Speaker 1: am I just being pumped? But yeah, the amount of

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Speaker 1: people that call me Leiah after I've corrected them four

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Speaker 1: thousand times, I've even thought of a funny way to

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Speaker 1: get around it. My funny, I mean so annoying where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not Princess Leiah, I'm Queen Leah and

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Speaker 1: they're like, so Leiah, that's that's a little do you

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Speaker 1: say it's a little weird, Like that's not what it's Leah.

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Speaker 1: It's very obviously Leah. Thank you. It's like I'm Jewish, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: same here it's not ussel Stein. It's just hilarious. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, well here we're here. We're just jumping right.

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Speaker 1: It's Ashley actually damn And that's the podcast. Guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening today. So Ashley and I

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Speaker 1: met in the basement of the stand in New York

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Speaker 1: City at a holiday no no, no, it was the

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Speaker 1: New York Comedy Festival after party situation, and we were

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Speaker 1: hiding from talking to other people. Yeah, we just like

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Speaker 1: connected right away, because you know, you just meet people,

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Speaker 1: not even just comics. You meet people are just like hot,

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Speaker 1: totally put me in the nice category. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: keep going. I meant pretty thank you, thank you. Ms connected.

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Speaker 1: We connected immediately now, um, but yeah, we just kind

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Speaker 1: of like locked in and we were like, we're haing

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about our demons. So I know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but it was it was fun. I love

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Speaker 1: meeting people down there. I met a guy down in

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Speaker 1: and I did keep him in the basement the whole time.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly that's my ideal relations down there. Yeah. Yes,

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Speaker 1: some might say he's still down there. My ideal relationship

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Speaker 1: years from now when they're like and she said on

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Speaker 1: plain sight. This whole time, she said exactly what she wanted.

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Speaker 1: just have to tell you because this is kind of relevant.

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Speaker 1: So last night yesterday is like the was the five

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Speaker 1: year anniversary when I moved to New York, and I

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Speaker 1: always like, I don't know, I love a reason to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: I got all my friends together to dinner at one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite restaurants, and then we walked by my

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Speaker 1: when I moved to New York, I moved into a

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Speaker 1: building that I truly think was not like inhabitable. I

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Speaker 1: think it was like condemned, like every well every I

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Speaker 1: found a true, decently large, one bedroom and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't care that every other door in this floor

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Speaker 1: like caution tape that it looks like a crime scene.

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Speaker 1: For two years I lived in this crime scene. No

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Speaker 1: us in the building. I eventually just stop paying red.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think this is like illegal. But

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Speaker 1: my my guy friend would always joke. He's like the

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Speaker 1: fact that you can get laid back here. He was like,

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Speaker 1: and be like, okay, one door with caution tape, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a little weird the second door, and

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Speaker 1: She would be like, I'm too scared, And he was

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Speaker 1: like I was like, yeah, I have no problems. Like

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Speaker 1: what guys don't care if a guy sees the crime tape.

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Speaker 1: He just if he's getting late. He's even think it's

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Speaker 1: like a velvet rope. This is it's my version of

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Speaker 1: the velvet rope. I pull it aside. He's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: in for a good time. This pitch is crazy. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: want to lock him up in the basement, right, you're gouty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ashley, we connected so hard. I wished you

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Speaker 1: had to Dick. I know, I was like, could I

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Speaker 1: What's happening here? It's been really nice to knowing you.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, were like my hair, Like what am I doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're both like turning red and fidgeting with your hair

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Speaker 1: like we can take a little stop down if we need,

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Speaker 1: but it's really not time yet. Okay, let's talk about crime. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also okay, so obviously girls got to eat very popular podcast.

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Speaker 1: You guys talk about everything. How did you in rain

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Speaker 1: and meet your co host? What's the oddest topic that's

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Speaker 1: just like, so, I mean, don't make me tell us. Well,

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Speaker 1: we met on this influence her trip and her Ruba.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm so sorry, but we've never hed top.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, um, but we and we connected immediately like

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Speaker 1: on this trip again, I'm sure this is true, but listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm here with you now and she I don't even

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Speaker 1: and we just said it off and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start a podcast. I wanted to do something about updating

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Speaker 1: and sex and relationships, and we just we only were

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Speaker 1: She's like yeah, yeah, Like have we've been friends for

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Speaker 1: and Leah, don't let it bother you that she met

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Speaker 1: her on like a boat in the Caribbean or wherever

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Thank you it. It wasn't like a beach

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Lee, it's just like deflating us. We look,

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Speaker 1: what's the craziest topic you guys have ever discussed? I

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Speaker 1: their boxers and they were like, is are they doing

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Speaker 1: And so they could re investigate and they could bring

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Speaker 1: him in for further questioning. But I don't know. This

423
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: is so disappointing and so odd that two of the

424
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: detectives are are now out. I mean, I don't know,

425
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm rambling. I understand. I do understand why people I

426
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: want to discuss the race aspect of it. I think

427
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: that came up a lot with Gabby Petito, where it

428
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: was like, uh, do you know how many Indigenous women

429
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: have been missing? You know that no one ever talks

430
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: about um and which is It's not to take away

431
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: from her case, but it was kind of like why

432
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: does this feel like this is getting so much attention

433
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: because it's this white girl, you know, and I think

434
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people of color were like, can we

435
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: get some attention on these people who have been missing

436
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: and unsolved for for so long? It's been going on

437
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: for so long. Um, so yeah, I mean, that's that's

438
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: just that's so devastating. I just where is this again?

439
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: Can you remind me in Bridgeboro? Okay? I mean, I

440
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean that has to do it.

441
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's terrifying of you that you think

442
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: that like these people who were you know, whatever whatever

443
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: you are supposed to you know, protect and serve, are

444
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: like finding dead bodies and not even like doing the

445
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: bare minimum. I'm not even telling the family that like

446
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: the family isn't even like that's insane, Like listen, I've

447
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: half asked a bunch of jobs in my life, but

448
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: not never a job like that, especially this one. Yeah.

449
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I was trying not to say it, but thank you.

450
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: But when you're like, that's your job, and there's people

451
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: that don't know where their loved one is, and you,

452
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't even cross your mind in two

453
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: days to reach out and let them know, even just

454
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: on like a human like compassion level, Like do you

455
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: don't think there's people that want to know where this

456
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: a person is? This is someone's daughters, is someone's you know, sister, mother,

457
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: maybe friends, like girlfriend, Like it's just it's like pretty insane.

458
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: I mean, is that what you're feeling? Like is are

459
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: people thinking that that the cops had something to do

460
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: with it? Or is it just like the problem is

461
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: that they did it, they went about it. I think

462
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: it's uncertain. But also Bridgepoort is a predominantly white neighborhood,

463
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: which we discussed last episode, so that is of importance here.

464
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, in the case of Brenda

465
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Lee Rawls, her body was at the medical Examiner's office

466
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: on December fourteenth, two days after she was pronounced dead,

467
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: and the police never notified them of her death. What

468
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: m hmm, all like white police. Well, the family apparently

469
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: later in the week learned um that a detective had

470
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: been assigned to the case, and they left him at

471
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: least four messages and he never even returned them. And

472
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Speaker 1: he's one of the two detectives who was suspended and

473
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: put on administrative leave. It's not like it's I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in Dgeport, but if

475
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound like they're too busy with like the raging,

476
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, crime of this huge metropolis. Not that that's

477
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: an excuse, but like, what else are you guys even doing,

478
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had one job, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.

479
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: And and in the case of of Laurence smith Fields,

480
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: like they didn't even handle the crime scene appropriately. So

481
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: that's that. Now that's twice to your the top two

482
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: things on your job. Listening, I would assume for something

483
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: like this, seal off the crime scene and do everything

484
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: you need to do and notify the family. Neither one

485
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: was done, So I mean you cannot continue to work

486
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: or I mean, I don't know, who knows. I know,

487
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it's so hard to put a cop out of work,

488
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: but like what, yeah, it's like that's why I said,

489
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: like the bare minimum. It feels like yep. And also

490
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Brenda and Lauren died on the same day. Do we

491
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: think that there could be any relation? Oh my god,

492
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea. That sounds that's pretty crazy. Yeah,

493
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: but in Bridgeport, I don't, no, I don't, I I

494
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't mind. My instinct is to think it's

495
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: not related, especially since Lawrence was like a drug overdose.

496
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Whether it was accidental or not, I don't know. I

497
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: don't know what was the other Uh what was the

498
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: Brendily Rawls cause of death? Do we know? We don't

499
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: know yet. SOA hasn't let us know. M Right, all right,

500
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: it's time for us too. And the only reason I'm

501
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: moving through this because we've talked about it for the

502
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: last few episodes. Um. But yeah, this is devastating and despicable,

503
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: and I'm really glad they were suspended, and I hope

504
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: that justice can be served with new detectives on the case. Right,

505
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to our next hot topic.

506
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Speaker 1: And I just want to say right now, trigger warning suicide.

507
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, Trigger warning always murder

508
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: suicide Leah's jokes. Okay, So Walking Dead star Moses J.

509
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: Moseley found dead at thirty one, and the cops do

510
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: suspect suicide. He was famous for playing one of the

511
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: zombies in The Walking Dead and they're investigating the circumstances

512
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: around his death. They said that they found his body

513
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Wednesday in the Hudson Bridge area of Stockbridge, Georgia, and

514
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: the bridge covers a freeway. They're told that there's an

515
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: active investigation into how his body ended up in the

516
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: area and whether or not foul play was involved. Apparently,

517
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: the family said they hadn't heard from him since Sunday

518
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: of the week prior, and they called the hospitals to

519
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: no avail, and on Wednesday morning they filed the missing

520
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: police person's report. Riley, please help me. On Wednesday morning

521
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: they filed a missing person's report. Then they contacted on Star,

522
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: which tracked the car and that's how they discovered the body.

523
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: And a family member told the press that Moses died

524
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: up a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find

525
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: out who pulled the trigger. So they're saying that it's

526
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: possibly a suicide, and other people are saying that there

527
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: might be foul play. Invaulved, what do you guys think?

528
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Where was the gunshot wound? Again? Information? We don't Why

529
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: can't they just ask the questions? Ask the questions we're

530
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: all asking. It's like, why can't they just give us

531
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: all the information? You know, it's something that should Yeah, like,

532
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 1: well here's the thing, Okay, since you brought that up.

533
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, they found him after he had been underwater

534
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and they're like, yep, you killed himself.

535
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: And now they found they found Moses. They said, it's

536
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: a gunshot. Woman, Like, we're trying to figure out whether

537
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: it was a self inflicted gunshot. I feel like, not

538
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: that I have vast knowledge into this type of stuff,

539
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like they can usually tell pretty quickly

540
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: whether someone pulled the trigger. I'm sure there's not watch

541
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: movements after that. Right, So if they found Brian Laundry

542
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: with a gun and a wet note book and they're like, yeah,

543
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: he killed himself, and this one that like we're still

544
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: trying to determine, that makes me think that there's got

545
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: to be something further that leads them to believe that

546
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe there was foul play. I'm on the same page

547
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: as you. I'm not like an expert on this, but

548
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: aren't like gun deaths via suicide and via homicide just

549
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: totally different. I thought that was like pretty easy to

550
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: figure out, um not to go down that some morbid road,

551
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: But right, I don't know. Morbid road is actually the

552
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: new name of this podcast. I'm looking at this guy

553
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: right now because I used to watch that show pretty regularly. Also,

554
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, who uses on Star? I haven't

555
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: heard that in so long. It really was like, wait,

556
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: did this happen in but maybe it's coming back and

557
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it can you know, this could be a good I

558
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: always sketch. I didn't realize it was a really good

559
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: when can you got? So? Were you saying that it

560
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: was like his body maybe I like blocked out again

561
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: like under a bridge, like in the was it found

562
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: in the water or like under a bridge? So this

563
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: is the thing. Is that so the Hudson Bridge um

564
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: is over a freeway, so it's like an overpad and underpass. Okay,

565
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: oh got it? Okay I heard bridge. I was like, okay,

566
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's the other thing too. It's like, if

567
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot yourself in the head, you don't need

568
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: to also throw yourself off a bridge. Percent I know

569
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of thinking too, like those

570
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: don't match up. But then also like what was going

571
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: on under that bridge? Like is that a place where

572
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: you know what happens under bridges? But was he involved

573
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: in like something where you meet somebody under a bridge?

574
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: M hmm, okay, I'm sorry. Detective Ashley's on the case.

575
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: And but at the on Star obviously found the car.

576
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: So was he in his car? I was his car nearby?

577
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: So many questions, so many questions, no answers, But I

578
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: think that we will probably find out some more in

579
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: the next coming weeks. I feel like the answers there

580
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: where is the gunshot? Wound? Right like a wire? We're

581
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: spitting our wheels on this now. I'm like so invested. See,

582
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: this is why I can't like get into this stuff,

583
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: because I won't be able to let it go. Yeah. Well,

584
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: the problem is, and I don't mean none of us

585
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: mean to sound callous. We know that that somebody died

586
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: and that's obviously sad, whether it be suicide or foul place,

587
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: of course. But but the frustrating thing is it seems

588
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: like there's certain things, and probably coming off the last

589
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: cases we just discussed, there seems like there's more information.

590
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I know they don't share everything, but to share they

591
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: suspect suicide, it was gunshot, won't There's some pretty obvious

592
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: questions that aren't answered, and so you can you can

593
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: understand why we get riled up talking about it. Also

594
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the sentence the family member tells us Moses died of

595
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find out

596
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: who pulled the trigger. To me, lets me know that

597
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: there is definitely more information I know, And I just

598
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I really feel like you. I feel like these statements

599
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: feel so weird to say because I really don't know,

600
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: but like that, why would you go to this underpass

601
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: to take your own life? I mean, I guess people

602
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: do whatever, but I mean, it just it feels my

603
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: instinct feels like someone killed him. I also don't feel

604
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: like we have all the information. I'm like, did you

605
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: die on the freeway? Did you die above the freeway?

606
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Did were you shot in the head and then you

607
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: fell over the bridge? Or did you commit suicide and

608
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: then fall over the bridge? Was your car? I just

609
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: feel like there like well and that stuff that you

610
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: can that like people could see from the body as well,

611
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: if you fell and like broke bones and had you know,

612
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: like uh what it like bought trauma to the body? Right?

613
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And are there no cameras in the area, you know?

614
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: Are there no cameras on bridges? It seems like after

615
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: everything that happened with bridges and under bridges. They should

616
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: just build a bridge with cameras in them. So fascinated

617
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: by bridges and like how they're built. I think it's crazy.

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00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: That's a topic for another time. No, no, no, speaking

619
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Speaker 1: of bridges, bridges, speaking of bridges, London Bridge is falling down.

620
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: I actually never knew what that meant. But we are

621
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Speaker 1: heading over to a story in London. I can't wait

622
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: for this one. Britain's hot fugitive is now in police

623
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: custody after his mug shot went viral. Daddy sorry, then

624
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: Jeremy Meeks. Literally they're both hot, but he's so hot,

625
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: he's unbelievable. I will use this photo later for personal use.

626
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: But I am putting in this bank bank. So the

627
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: London British Police have taken into custody convicted burglar. He's

628
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: just a burglar, it's not I would not be saying this.

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00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: It was like a different type of cary, like you

630
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's just stealing hearts. Okay. So

631
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: the burglar Jonathan K Hill, whose mug shot they posted

632
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Speaker 1: on social media last week in hopes of sending him

633
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: back to prison after a suspected parole violation. Oh, he's

634
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: such a bad boy. He sparked thousand comments, largely from

635
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: women offering to help locate him for a totally different reasons.

636
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: I wonder what they were. Um. They said that they

637
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: were asking if you know they people could help locate him,

638
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of women seemed drawn to the thirty

639
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: seven year old blue eyes, chisel jawlines, stony gaze, and

640
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: his six foot height. Turny okay. Someone said, Daddy, I'm

641
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: in love with the criminal. Love it. Someone else wrote,

642
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean he has committed a crime, but day someone

643
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: someone said I have handcuffs. That was so funny. Coups.

644
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: It's like Leo, which one was yours? Which? What did

645
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: you comment on the Oh mine was too dirty for

646
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: them to repost in the article, But it's it's hidden.

647
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: It's in the hidden comments section. Just went through a

648
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: word filter. They were like, Yeah, mine was you can

649
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: keep me in the basement anytime. Yeah, he's in my basement. Actually,

650
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: you guys. He apparently has been branded the fit, felon

651
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: or criminally hot. Oh my god, yeah yeah, blue eye

652
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: banded baby. A lot of people compare him to Wakefield's

653
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: uh Jeremy Niecks, who we brought up earlier. The hot

654
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: felon who went viral from the California Police Department sharing

655
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: his mug shot where he was hot a f where

656
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: people are calling him jail Bay. Anyway, do we think

657
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: that people should get recognition for their attractive mug shots?

658
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: And do you think can we back up to what

659
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: if you woke up and I was in your house?

660
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I would be like if I dream mean, like if

661
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: you woke up in that guy's in your home, I

662
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: would be like, get in my my bedroom, like like

663
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: what it just it would be so crazy to me

664
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: to like wake up and be like, oh I heard

665
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a noise and that they're just like yeah, I'd be like, wow,

666
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: I manifest at this. I'd be like, hey, you can

667
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: take whatever you want, just can you come into the

668
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: bedroom first? Just oh my god, you got the loube

669
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: on the way in. Like it's just like so no,

670
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: I don't this is you know, it's weird to talk

671
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: about it, but we he's hot. It's what it is.

672
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he should get off, he should get

673
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: me off, But I mean it's just it doesn't mean

674
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: that it's like he shouldn't pay for his crimes. Like

675
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: we could say somebody's hot. Also, how do you got

676
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: pretty privileged? I know, like that is everything went wrong

677
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: for you that you have a burglar. It's like you're hot, dude,

678
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: just get an only thing? Well because yes, and also

679
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: like not that I'm condoning this either, but you just

680
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: like dirty Job. You could like kind of like you

681
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: could there it is you could like dirty John this

682
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: if you're that hot too, Like maybe he doesn't want

683
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: to put in the work, but like you could definitely

684
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: scam women for money. Not that I'm endorsing that either,

685
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: but like you could do this. You could get your

686
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: bills paid in a different way. You know, I have

687
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar bill right now with his name on it.

688
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: This guy is basically Channing Tatum if he never got

689
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: a movie role. Here magic but Channing Tatum is like

690
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: he's um, you know, he's my number one, but his

691
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: his he doesn't have a good smile. Like I wonder

692
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: if this guy is a good smile Channing's wrong with

693
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: his teeth are bad and he doesn't look good smiling

694
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: his smile ruins everything. So I fixed, you would think,

695
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know, but I wonder if this guy,

696
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: like what his teeth looked like, because that could ruin

697
00:39:53,200 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: everything British British not great. Can we get a smiling yeah?

698
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: Can we uh yeah? Can we pull up a smiling

699
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: photo of him? Thank you? You know, I just think

700
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: it's working for some women, Ashley might not be you.

701
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Women are literally like masturbating to this guy and there

702
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: and to the thought of him being like a criminal,

703
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that I am, but I'm not

704
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: saying I am. But can you see my other hand

705
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: didn't wait for a break really right in the middle

706
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: of the segment. I so, I like, was I was

707
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: so invested in that Jeremy Meeks thing because he was

708
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: like the original hot, hot criminal whatever. He looked a

709
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: little too, I mean he had the neck tattoos like

710
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: he he looked a little like I'll take it, but

711
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: he might cryamp a little like this guy has. He's

712
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: a little more of a little more clan cut looking.

713
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: They're both hot. I don't know. I don't know why

714
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: we're doing a Mary kill with these criminals. Do you

715
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: haven't a third to throw into the mix? Yeah, well,

716
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: we're working in marrying these guys. Who are we going

717
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: to kill? There is no I don't find a photo

718
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: with him smiling at all, which granted, most burglars don't

719
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: walk around smiling. I think they're like, it's like he's

720
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: looking into every reflection. He's like looking in every mirror,

721
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: every glass surface. Do you think he knows it's hot? Like, yeah, yeah,

722
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: he knows he's hot. He's probably committed a lot more

723
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: burglar and he chose that path. It's just so interesting

724
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: to choose that path when you're like so objectively good looking.

725
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: Maybe he thought life was too easy and he wanted

726
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: to make it harder. Mm hmm. You know, he really

727
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: just wanted to make it harder, more of a challenge

728
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: than having everything handed to him. I get it, all right,

729
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: let's move on to our next hot topic. Oh my god, alright,

730
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: hey Chicago man who was released from prison twenty years

731
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, sorry later, this story is crazy. It

732
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: makes me feel crazy, yes, after how crazy? Okay? His

733
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: twin brother confesses to the murder. Are they hot? L

734
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: O L So. After two decades being behind bars for

735
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: a murder in two thousand three, a shooting that he

736
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: never committed, his identical twin brother finally confesses to the crime.

737
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Kevin Dugar broke into tears as he was released from

738
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: the Cook County Jail on Tuesday night and reunited with

739
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: his loved ones as a freeman. Apparently the judge granted

740
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: his release pending trial on a signature bond and he

741
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: walked out into the open air and breathed his first

742
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: breath as a freeman in almost twenty years. So what's

743
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: so crazy about this is he spent twenty years in

744
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: jail after shooting of a rival gang member. Like I

745
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: said that he never committed and he was convicted in

746
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: two dozen five sentence to fifty four years in prison

747
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: for years he may retained his innocence. And what's so

748
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: crazy is that this case was described as stranger than

749
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: fiction and a wild plot twist that his twin brother,

750
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Carl Smith, admitted to having carried out the murder in

751
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: a confession that was made first in a letter to

752
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: him in nearly a decade after he was convicted. This

753
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: is so crazy. Do you feel like the brother felt

754
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: no guilt? You know what? The brother The brother admitted

755
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: this in a letter to his brother, But like the

756
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: ever surfaced till now? Or why didn't they? Apparently? Yeah,

757
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: apparently they waited till a confession. What what do you

758
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: think changed after twenty years to lead to this confession? Well,

759
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this didn't happen. What am I

760
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: not understanding? Let alone? No, yes, I understand that because

761
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: this is when he sent that letter and admitted to it.

762
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: But let's go back another ten years, back to when

763
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: it first happened. This guy says he didn't do it. Right,

764
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: there's a twin brother, right, never once looked into that?

765
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Well we have any looks like this? Well damn, there's

766
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: somebody else that looks exactly like that as well. I

767
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: need so much more information. I like will lose sleep

768
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: over this exactly that, Like, like was he like wasn't

769
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: he like maybe it was my jowin brother who's in

770
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: a gang too or something? You know what I mean? Like,

771
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't it was they said rival gang member? So

772
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: were they both in the gang? Like? Did he just

773
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: not want to do was he taking the Was he

774
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: taking the hit for his brother? Maybe because I mean

775
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: they were they estranged like you know? Or were they

776
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: like tight? And he's like, I don't know, I'd rather

777
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: like take the hit. I mean, I have so many questions.

778
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I there's nothing. I just you know,

779
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: makes me sick. It makes me sicker than like people

780
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: being in jail that like wrongfully accused. I feel like

781
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: the government should pay for you, like to live till

782
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: till you die. It makes it's like so insane. I

783
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: feel like should get such a payout if you spent

784
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: any time at all in jail. Ronfly accused. But that's

785
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: a you know, a different topic. Well, what's so crazy

786
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: is apparently uh in the judge ruled smith is Smith's

787
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: confession not credible the letter Yeah, and so that's so

788
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: wild and uh Smith the twin had been denied and

789
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: appeal himself as he was already serving out a year

790
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: sentence for a home invasion where a child was shot ahead,

791
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: so prosecutors were questioning the motives behind the confession, telling

792
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: the judge that he only came forward after a court

793
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: upheld his own convention for attempted murder at the time.

794
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: So it just seemed like maybe he just wanted to

795
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: get his brother off because he was already going to bed. That,

796
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's explains why he did it then. But

797
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting as well. So we're talking about Kevin Dugard, right,

798
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: and then his twin brother, Carl Smith. They're twins. They

799
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: don't even have the same name. I knew you were

800
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: going to bring that up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean,

801
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe people you know? Huh do you think

802
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: I have a long last twin? Yeah, who's not a

803
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: comedian and just doesn't use curse words and lives a

804
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: normal life. And maybe he's married with children somewhere in

805
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: the Midwest. She's born a ship, don't worry about it. Yeah,

806
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: that's so crazy. I need I need information on that.

807
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe they're very progressive Dmitri and one of

808
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: them took their wives last names. Maybe each committing and whatnot.

809
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: All right, I think let's take a quick break before

810
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: we had into our final case for today. We'll be

811
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: right back. Stay safe in between the commercial break and

812
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: before we re emerge into our final case. Where did

813
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: this voice come from? Here? By all right? Everyone, welcome

814
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: back to Real Time Crime. I hope you did not

815
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: commit a thirty second crime while waiting for the podcast

816
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: to return, and if you did, Mozeltov alright, our next case.

817
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: Our next case is about Jody, who's in truant. I'm

818
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: sure a lot of you have heard about this case,

819
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: but if not, I'll give you a little background info.

820
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Jody was a twenty seven year old morning news anchor

821
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: in Mason City, Iowa, at CBS affiliate k i m T.

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00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: She worked in Cedar Rapids in Minnesota and back to

823
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Iowa at k i m T. And what happened was

824
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: in the early hours of June, she disappeared on her

825
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: way to work as an anchor of the daybreak show

826
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: k I m T. The producer called her at four

827
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Speaker 1: in the morning when she didn't arrive for work, assuming

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00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: that she had overslept, and answered and was rushing you

829
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: to get to work. By six am, she still had

830
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: not arrived. Since she didn't show up to work seven am,

831
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: the staff called the police to do a welfare check

832
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: and found her belongings scattered and her ma's de Miata

833
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: still in the parking lot of her apartment building. There

834
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: was a clear sign of a struggle on her way

835
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: to her car. They found a partial pomp print at

836
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: the scene. And just so you know, Jody was single

837
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: and she lived alone and her apartment was located next

838
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: to a river. Three neighbors told investigators they heard a

839
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: scream in the early hours of June seven, and saw

840
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: a white van in the parking lot, which to this

841
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: day has never been identified. ABC News is just aired

842
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: a special on her case Friday, January, which is bringing

843
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: attention back to the case. So the case. Nine months

844
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: before her disappearance, she reported someone was following her in

845
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: a white truck while she was out on a run

846
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: and while police were investigating the site, a man claiming

847
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: to be a friend of Jody's named John Vinciss was

848
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: also just want to let you know Van is in

849
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: his last name. Dance Eyes was the last man to

850
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: see her. Drove to the apartment and was cooperative with police.

851
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: There were reports of Jody hanging out with a mail

852
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: the night before, banging on the door for two to

853
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: three minutes saying Jody let me in. Police found the

854
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: toilet seat up in her apartment and wine glasses. Also

855
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the night before, Jody attended a charity golf event at

856
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: a country club and left around a p m. John

857
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: said that Jody came over to his house after she

858
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: left the charity event to watch a fifteen minute video

859
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: of her birthday party, then went home, but Jody was

860
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: home by eight twenty four because she made a long

861
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: distance phone call to a friend. So factoring in the

862
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: ten minute drive to John's place after the country club

863
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: and the length of the video, then Jody's drive home,

864
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the timeline doesn't add up. She would have been home

865
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: at five, but she made the call. See that's how

866
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: you collect details from a crime scene. Not that they

867
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: solved it, but at least look at all that information. Yeah,

868
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: not that it helped at all, but look at all

869
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: that information. I mean, it's just okay, keep fine, all right, well, yeah, okay, Yeah,

870
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: John was forty nine years old, Jodi was twenty seven

871
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: years old, and John had a fancy boat named after Jody.

872
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: There was was it a yacht or was it a cameman?

873
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: Was it like a dinghy? Like? What kind of boat? Like?

874
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: Is John like a sugar daddy? All right, let's uh,

875
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: we'll go a little bit more into the details. And okay,

876
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: there was spiculation on when he named the boat before

877
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: or after her disappearance? What can't you, I mean, when

878
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: when did he put it on the boat? When did

879
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: you name the boat? Don't don't they have records of that?

880
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: You feel like that thing about great information? Yeah, it's

881
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: like who painted Jody on the name on the boat.

882
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: How do we think that seems like we shouldn't have

883
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: that info. I have no tolerance for I guess we'll

884
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: never know. It's like, no, that's right. Yeah. In Jody's journal,

885
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: she wrote about John in a very positive manner, saying

886
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: that she went and water skiing with him, had a

887
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of fun with him, and like they had a

888
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: father daughter relationship. M that's what I said when I

889
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: was dating a man he was fifty two. I mean,

890
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't get far enough DM too. That

891
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: really hurt. Honestly, you know, he didn't love me and

892
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: already triggered by the boat stuff. Yeah, okay, um. John

893
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: was on a walk with his friend La Donna Woodsford

894
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: at six am, but police say Jody was abducted at

895
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: four am. Shahn said he was sleeping at four am.

896
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: A lot of people believed he had something to do

897
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: with it. He took a polygraph test and passed twice.

898
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: But don't we know that all polygraph tests aren't accurate.

899
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: And also we have a detail that's coming in two

900
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: seconds that will make me feel even more like this

901
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: isn't true. So he was subpoenut In twenty seventeen and

902
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: asked to provide finger and palm prints in grand jury proceedings.

903
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: April nineteen issued statements saying living he was living in

904
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: a suspended hell and had no involvement in the abduction.

905
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: But John has recently been diagnosed with progressive Alzheimer's disease.

906
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: He's still a person of interest but has not yet

907
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: been charged for anything. So let me just ask you

908
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: this question. If you have progressive Alzheimer's disease and you

909
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: take a polygraph test, is it possible you pass because

910
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: you literally forgot You literally don't know or remember the

911
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: information that is true. Maybe that's possible, but it depends

912
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: on when these were taken, because this happened in But

913
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. I mean, I'm just this is

914
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: a serious question, like if you have Alzheimer's or dementia,

915
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: or is it possible that you could pass a polygraph

916
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: test because you actually don't have access to that memory anymore? Right?

917
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Or you like believe I always wonder if you know,

918
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: sometimes people just tell themselves something enough that they both

919
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: like truly believe it, like they're but you know, in

920
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: terms of like enough that you would pass the polygraph.

921
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, can we back up?

922
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: Did he report was he was? He was? They said

923
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: he was um cooperative? Did he report her and stabbed

924
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: him in for a question the staff at her job?

925
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: Her job? That's right, Okay, they just said he was

926
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: like cooperative. I mean, do you know anybody suspicious to like, well,

927
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: there's a forty nine year old guy who named his

928
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: boat after her and maybe check that. Yeah, I mean

929
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: the thing that it just makes me feel like they

930
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: that her going to his place was a quick fight

931
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: or something like. It makes me feel that she drove

932
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: over there after this charity event because they were in

933
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: a fight or something, and it like it was like

934
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: something happened quickly, it blew up, and then she went

935
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: home and then he came and and well then she

936
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: would have gotten like I mean, I don't know what

937
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: time the scream was, but the go go to someone's

938
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: house for fifteen minutes to watch a video is like

939
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: that that doesn't make sense. It makes me feel like

940
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: there was like some sort of low up and she

941
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: left like hurriedly and went home and called her friend

942
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: on a long distance call to like talk about this

943
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: thing that happened. Also, what was the birthday video. Was

944
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: he showing her something that was like who's that guy?

945
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: Or you know, I mean there could have been a

946
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: fight about something like that because it's her birthday video.

947
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: She was there, so what does she have to run

948
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: over there to watch this thing? No, it was so

949
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: odd the other on a birthday video? What do you

950
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: mean birthday video? I mean that was so it's like

951
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: what what was there a videographer there? What are we

952
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: talking about? Was in a cam quarter? Did he have

953
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: some he edited her a birthday video? All this information

954
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: about the video. I love that that he's like, wait

955
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: a minute, who's this guy you're talking to in the video?

956
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Like that's my thought. And also the fact that someone

957
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: mysteriously was banging at her door or door late at

958
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: night saying let me in, and then they found the

959
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: toilet seat up. A KM man came in and that

960
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: there were wine glasses. You know, it was like he

961
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: came in, they hung out. They continue to fight. The

962
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 1: van is suspect, I mean the van is us vans

963
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: are always stussed. Don't get a white van if you're

964
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, and then who doesn't want to seem

965
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: like he's committing or about don't get a white van.

966
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: Did more than one person even, like like say to

967
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: see the van or was it maybe somebody just trying

968
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: to be involved? They're like, I saw a white man,

969
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like, do we really know there

970
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: was a white van found at her parking lot that

971
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: never been identified to be owned by anyone, which is

972
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: so wild, And no fingerprints or anything they found. They

973
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: found one half palm print. That's all they found, and

974
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: that's why they took his fingerprint and pop pop print

975
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: palm print. I mean, all men are dogs, sorry to

976
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: Ma tra So you know, I do think that it's

977
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that he didn't have anything

978
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: to do with it. And the fact that he was

979
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: just going for a walk at six am with a

980
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: friend seems like a great alibi, but obviously he could

981
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: have been awake at four him committed the crime and

982
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: then went for a walk with his friend. It like,

983
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: that's the way, huge, where's his alibi from nine pm

984
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: or ten? Yeah, the only time I go for a

985
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: walk at six am is when I was up at four.

986
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: The thing is, like, does he normally go for walks

987
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: at six a m? Is that his exercise routine? Right?

988
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: If that was my alibi, they'd be like, that's such

989
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: a lie. You've never been up at six ever, you know. Yeah,

990
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: And if I'm up at six, I'm not springing into action.

991
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: But does he have an alibi from? I mean, I

992
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: guess why are not the detectives on this case? I

993
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: just this the thing about It's like, you've got to

994
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: look at this relationship, like because she's writing her journal

995
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: about him, he names a boat after her, Like what

996
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: what you know? What's going on there? Yeah? No, but

997
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: you know what, you bring up a good point. I

998
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: feel like we should be the investigators on this. We

999
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: have really ramped up from the beginning of this podcast.

1000
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: I feel like if we had like two or three

1001
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: more cases, we'd probably solve one of them percent. I mean,

1002
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: this is my dream to be, like, well, actually I

1003
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: want to be I guess, I guess a detective. I

1004
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: want to interrogate people is my true calling. Like that's

1005
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: what I don't know that I'm like, I really want

1006
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: to be like a fullblam detective, but I want to

1007
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: be the like interrogator that's finding like plot holes and

1008
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: when people are lying. Like that's what I feel like

1009
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: I had to have like a it's in my soul.

1010
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: I would hate to be any of your ex boyfriends. Yeah,

1011
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: it's it's brutal for sure. I mean I feel like

1012
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: dating just made me realize that is my true calling.

1013
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, Yeah, you're like, Okay, And so he ghosted,

1014
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the bottom of this case. He

1015
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: better be dead, so okay. So, so there are some

1016
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: more details in this case. The case then turned to

1017
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: a serial rapist, Tony Jackson, who lived in Mason City,

1018
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: just a few blocks from k I m T at

1019
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: the time of Jody's disappearance. Tony was convicted of rape

1020
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: two years after Jody went missing. The crimes are unrelated,

1021
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: by the way, and if sawmate reported that Tony spoke

1022
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: about murdering an anger woman and her body was in Tiffin, Iowa,

1023
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: about two and a half hours from Mason City. Okay.

1024
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: So police searched that area and found no signs of

1025
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: human remains. Jackson spoke to from prison and denied he

1026
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the case and was cleared.

1027
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: And I'll just say that we do know a lot

1028
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: of times people admit to murders that they never committed.

1029
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: In crimes that they never committed. We don't know why.

1030
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: We don't know it's thrush. We don't know if they

1031
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: just want attention. But it's possible that that's not true.

1032
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Another theory was of the death of Bill Pruin, who

1033
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: died three months before Jodie went missing of a gunshot

1034
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: wound to the head, and it was first ruled a suicide,

1035
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: but changed too could not be determined. Another man, Thomas

1036
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: of course Catin, was also brought up. He lived forty

1037
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: five minutes from Mason City at the time, and he

1038
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: owned a white van that he used with prostitutes. He

1039
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: was later convicted of sex crimes and is serving his

1040
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: time at jail. Jodie declared legally dead by her family

1041
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: in June two one. But like that feels like easy,

1042
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: Like I mean not just just because you're uh sex offender,

1043
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're a murderer. Like if she had no

1044
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: no connection to him whatsoever. I'm not defending the rape

1045
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: the sex offender, But like, I don't even where did what?

1046
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Why did they think Bill Pruin did it? I read,

1047
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: I read the int you guys sent his His family

1048
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: is like, can you guys stop? Like this is her dad,

1049
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: like he died three months before she disappeared, So I

1050
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: don't I was even a suspect. What was what have

1051
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: a criminal record? I've missed that. So apparently some people

1052
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: think that because she was investigating his death that oh

1053
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: he was murdered. Oh she was investigating his okay, And

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00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it a danger. So he's not a suspect.

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: It's whoever may have killed Bill now that may have

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: then come after her and we never know who killed

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: But I thought his daughters were saying like they were defending.

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't know like why John got off the hook

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: with the polygraph basically, which you can't even It doesn't

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01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: hold up in court, does it, Because it's based on

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: like people's heart and the blood and stuff like that,

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01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: so they what if you don't have a heart? But

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: also like were there not like were there not like

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: lip marks on the wine glasses like the like he

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: did he wash the wine? Like what weren't there multiple

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01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: wine glasses the toilet seat, like was he they're wearing gloves? Well,

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: I know when I go to a man's house, I

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01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: don't leave a trace of DNA. I just don't want

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01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the other girl to know about me also because I

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01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: don't like to do a classic leave behind, you know,

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01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: when I'm done with feer boxers. Yeah. No, I I

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01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: think that it's clear that who There are four men

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: named in the case, but I think John is the

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01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: most suspicious in my opinion. I want to hear everything.

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01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: I want to hear like John's whole night, like I

1076
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: want it's like I want them to be like, Okay, John, Well,

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01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: she she made a call from a landline, you know,

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: at this time, so you actually she wasn't there for

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes? Like what, like I need all the information

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: there and then so okay, so she came at age,

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: she left a fifteen what'd you do till you went

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: on your six am walk? Do you normally? Like? I

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01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: have so many more questions for John. Here's who I

1084
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: want to talk to. But he also has progressive Alzheimer's,

1085
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: so he might not even have the ability allegedly allegedly, Oh, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: very good Ashley. But here's the deal. Didn't they say

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01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: John went for a walk at six am with a friend. Yeah,

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01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the friend. I want to

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: know what John's behavior was at six o'clock. I want

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: to know if they really did go for a walk.

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: I want to know what that. I want to talk

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: to that friend, and especially since if John does have

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01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's now I doubt that the friend does as well,

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01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: So right, well, and I want to know from the

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: friend what John's five am phone call to her was like. Also,

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: if you're going right off no reason, Yeah, we're going

1097
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: for a walk with a friend at six You also

1098
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: know when they painted their boat. That's hilarious, right, but

1099
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: for real, like that, there is certain things that somebody

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01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: like that can answer. But also like I mean, it's

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01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: just unfortunate that boat. The types of case that, just

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01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: like with Lawrence Smithfield, where if they don't get the

1103
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: evidence when the case happens, they're not going to get it.

1104
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: So it's like if they didn't get DNA sample from

1105
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: the wine glass, they're not going to get it now

1106
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: twenty years later, you know. I mean, this is just

1107
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: such a tragedy. I hope that some thing cracks in

1108
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: the case now that there's more attention to it. But

1109
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just wait to find out more information,

1110
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: Like I would want to know, like the wine glasses

1111
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: are part of this, We're part of the investigation. So

1112
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: there when you drink wine, they're full blown fingerprints and

1113
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: lip like. So if there were no trace of fingerprints,

1114
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: that's a sign that someone like you know what I'm saying,

1115
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: like were you wearing gloves drinking wine? And also if

1116
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: you're going if you're going in with gloves or ready

1117
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: to kill this? O? G y N like us. But

1118
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: like if you're going to kill somebody, do you and

1119
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: you're wearing gloves? You're that prepared? Are you having a

1120
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: glass of wine? I don't know? Ask O. J. Simpson.

1121
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: If you see if somebody sits down with you and says, oh,

1122
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to jar to your glass and they

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01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: put on rubber gloves, yeah, and like how did they

1124
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: put the glove on? Was it like? And then you

1125
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 1: just you're that master figures, so meticulous, but you didn't

1126
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: put the toilet sea down? Like what is going on?

1127
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: Lot's not adding up here? And do we have any

1128
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: final thoughts before we wrap for the day on a

1129
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: what all of it? Anything? Yeah? Life? The meaning of it? Me?

1130
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: I just I just feel like I will stopped. I'll

1131
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: talk about this with everybody. Tide like I have to

1132
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: go to the stand Tide I'll just be like, did

1133
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: you guys know about this case? From I will not.

1134
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I'll just this is all I'm gonna care about. I'll

1135
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: be in the basement tonight, you guys. The next time

1136
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: I talked to Ashley, she has a true crime podcast.

1137
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: But I just want, like I want someone to tell

1138
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: me the story and me just be like what about this?

1139
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: Like I just I like to think about this kind

1140
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: of stuff. I just can't do it too much. It

1141
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: will consume my life, you know. I mean, welcome to

1142
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: our lives. This is our life, every week, every every day.

1143
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how the podcast started because I

1144
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: couldn't stop talking about the Gabby Petito case to anyone

1145
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: who would listen, you know, like to a man on

1146
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: the street. I was like, hey, have you heard about

1147
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: the Gabby Petito case? He's like okay, Um, you know

1148
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: apparently they you know, people at Trader Joe's don't like

1149
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: having small talk. But that's why I went there. I

1150
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: was like, someone here will talk to me, the cashier.

1151
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: You would think that's this. This has definitely affected my

1152
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: life though. I go, I take dog for a walk

1153
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: on like a road up in the hill or something,

1154
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, well, this is gonna be a

1155
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: dead body around here somewhere. So that's literally what I

1156
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: do on the walk is I look for a crime.

1157
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow. See this is a difference who men and women.

1158
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be the victim of a

1159
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: crime and you think you are going to see you crime.

1160
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta get the mace and you're like, oh,

1161
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: whose body am I going to discover? Yeah, maybe I'll be,

1162
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe the hot convict in London will

1163
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: discover my body. God, oh my god. Yeah. All right,

1164
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: you guys, this has been an extraordinary episode of real

1165
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: time crime. We've covered everything and more today and with

1166
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: our lovely friend Ashley hessel Tyne and sometimes to tree Ashley,

1167
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: where can we find you? On the internet? You can

1168
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: listen to Girls Gotta Eat podcasts wherever you listener podcasts.

1169
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: And uh, I am ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok

1170
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, I go waves. So there's probably

1171
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: no fresh TikTok right now, but um on everything, I'm

1172
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: ashs and Twitter to a s H H E S S.

1173
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: And thank you. If you're in any work, you come

1174
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: see me at the stand. I'm there. All the time.

1175
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: Just my head shot is all over their website. So

1176
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: just check me out. Your mug shot or your head shot.

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of both. I like the

1178
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: head shot when you're upstairs, but when you're in the basement,

1179
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: it's a mug shot exactly. Yeah, you guys, Yeah, your

1180
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: head shot is on the wall upstairs. Your mug shot

1181
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: is on the wall downstairs. I mean, I could just

1182
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: do this all day, you guys. We're coming to a

1183
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: close for today. I just want to remind you if

1184
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: you want to leave us a voicemail, we'll play it

1185
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: on the pod, will uncover a new case that you

1186
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,959
Speaker 1: bring to us. If you've got questions, comments, concerns, thoughts

1187
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: about my stupid jokes, please let us know. You know

1188
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: the column live number, it's eight six six twenty one crime.

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Speaker 1: That's eight six six to anyone crime, eight six six

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Speaker 1: to any one crime. That's eight six six two one

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Speaker 1: two seven four six three. Actually is the first guest

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Speaker 1: host that didn't dance to that? Wow? Actually I was

1193
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget that. I'm trying to forget that happened. Okay,

1194
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: well I have to go. We have a I have

1195
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: like A, Raina, and are one of our other you

1196
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: no worries. We know you're busy, okay, busy. I was

1197
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: late and now I have to go. Um, but I will.

1198
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: Are you in l A two Dmitri? I am yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm from New York though, so I do go back.

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: I'll stop by the stand next time I'm there. Just

1201
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. And I mean, if you ever become single,

1202
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: just let me know again. This is not for me.

1203
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough. And I mean I find you

1204
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: attractive as well, but it's for Raina. Uh. And Raina

1205
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: just walked in. Rain I'm on this podcast and I

1206
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: asked this rain come over here because where it gets weird?

1207
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: And are you guys good lucky Plea's married with kids.

1208
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: It's not just come see if it's you're type. We

1209
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 1: just need we need a confirmation right now. Raina is gonna.

1210
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: Isn't that your type? Raina? Him? Leah? Is this your type?

1211
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: This ugly? Um? I just walk makeup off. I don't

1212
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: care whatever. You normally have a full out of hand

1213
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: in the whole thing. See exactly. My instagram is Raina

1214
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: doc Greenberg. If you and your wife ever split up,

1215
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: we'll see your inn Lex. Thanks for having for us. Okay,

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: well um bye, sorry for making it weird. Okay, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: It's real tung crop, it real toung g. I mean,

1218
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: is it actually real time crime I'm solving anything? Or

1219
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: is that just the thing we say, it's a thing

1220
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for

1221
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Speaker 1: more real time crime, only on I Horror Radio.