1 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about weddings. I would have 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: talked about weddings were we not in a pandemic, meaning 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: that I've always thought that weddings are an interesting topic. 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: They're a multibillion dollar industry because you've just got someone 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: who it's their most important moment of their life in 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: their minds, and I mean it is a very important moment. 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: But the wedding industry is targeted to women. And I 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: used to produce large scale events like the Emmy's, the Grammys, 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the Rock movie Premiere, conn Air, It's Premiere, et cetera, 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: like big, big, seven figure, million dollar events. Twenty five 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: years ago, I did a celebrity wedding and I think 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: I've done one or two weddings nightmare night mayor, because 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: unlike the corporate events, which are very important because their business, 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: this is personal and when it's personal people get crazy 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: z And there's a reason that there's the terminology bridezilla 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: because people go crazy because they obsessed and they're also 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: not used to planning events. So first it's the training 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: that young women should want to be pre wed, and 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: they should want to get the ring, get engaged. Young 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: someone's gonna take care of them. Families often have certain 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: opinions about when young women should get married. Culturally around 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: the world, different cultures really just think that you should 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: be married young. So in the American culture, I feel 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: like it's gotten a little bit older, but still from 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the time that you're reading the fairy princess books, you're 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: supposed to want your prince to come in and save 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: you and buy you a ring, and it's supposed to 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: be three months salary and off we go. And I 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: do think that in many cases, this sort of getting 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: the ring in the dress and the fairy tale. I'm 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: fifty years old, it still sounds good to me, Like, 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to be looking pretty wearing a big 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: princess dress. It just seems so so easy and so 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: sort of care free. And I think that the marketing 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: of the wedding industry is detrimental to the marriage industry 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: because of marriages ending in divorce. Is the proofs in 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: the putting people are focusing on the wrong things. I mean, 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: even the show is like The Bachelor. You know, there 39 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: are people from small towns around the country, with different faiths, 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: with different backgrounds that are meeting each other, are meeting 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: this bachelor or bachelorette in this unrealistic circumstance. Okay, it's 42 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: it's it's sex and everyone looks amazing, and you're in 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: Greece or you're in some gorgeous place, in some gorgeous room, 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: totally unlike the room that you're going to end up 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: sleeping in together, or unlike the room that you live 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: in in your own house, and everything is heightened. And 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: having been on reality TV for so many years, everything's 48 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: like seems like bigger and better and a great idea 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: because it's are like producing your own life, and when 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: your life is produced, it just seems just like Instagram. 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: It seems bigger and better than it actually is. So 52 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: putting hair, makeup, gowns, exotic destinations, hot people, alcohol, and 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: the expectation of a diamond that's coming with a you know, 54 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: follow up spinoff wedding show. I think it's a recipe 55 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: for disaster. You know, it's good television and it's good 56 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: for ratings, but it's not realistic. You know, these shows 57 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: don't talk about would you ever go to therapy? Doesn't 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: matter what someone's religion is. Do they have cats and 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: you have dogs? I've never heard them talk about cats 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: and dogs on on the the The Bachelor, and I'll 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: tell you something, if someone is allergic to cats or 62 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: doesn't like cats or doesn't like dogs, like that is 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: going to be a problem. No one's giving away their pet. 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: So I think that the wedding business is multibillion dollar 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: because it's marketing. But it's marketing a fairy tale and 66 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: a fantasy, and it's not marketing therapy and fundamental differences 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: and similarities and like mindsets and how are you gonna 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: workshop a problem and the true reality. Then you get 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: to the wedding, like specific the wedding, the event, and 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: you've got debt. On the other side, you have people 71 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: spending tens of thousands of dollars on so many things, 72 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: getting into fights with friends over being bridesmaids and maids 73 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: of honor, not wanting family members to sit together, mother 74 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: in laws, um, the guest list, the location, bridezilla, um, 75 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: who you made your best man? All that kind of stuff. 76 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: Then you've got like the debt that you're gonna go 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: into just paying for it. As I mentioned, and I've 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of girls in their twenties going broke 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: every weekend before the pandemic. Every weekend a destination wedding 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: and they're they've been invited, they have to go. They 81 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: gotta get a bridesmaid stress, they gotta got a present, 82 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: they gotta pay for the hotel. So it's a snart assistic, 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: self serving universe. Okay, now the registry thing is also 84 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: a very awkward thing to me. It's efficient because you're saying, 85 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: here's how to spend money and not have it be wasted, 86 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: and I'm guiding you into what we actually need. But 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: just to be the person that like gives the fork 88 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: and the serving spoon, Like what did you give? I 89 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: gave a fork and a serving spoon. It was a 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: US that was my budget, and Joe gave the soup spoon. 91 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: So it's like very strange. It's very weird. It's the 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: ultimate like we're all getting together to buy one big gift, 93 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I guess, and it's smart, but it's strange. And then 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: also the people can see what you spent, so then 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: they're judge, oh, well, Jane only spent ninety dollars or 96 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: only about the one salad fork or the shrimp cocktail fork. 97 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Just so everyone knows that whole set of bullshit that 98 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: you buy sits in some cabinet and becomes something that 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: comes with you through the years from house to house 100 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: to apartment to apartment. And then you gotta buy that 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: padded like like uh china stuff that holds it and 102 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: has like a fabric thing between and I prom I've 103 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: used it twice. So it's like someone should get into 104 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: the like pretend you're rich and important and have China 105 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: rental for the day business because twice and I'm people like, 106 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: I'm sort of fancy. It's just who cares, So that's 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: that part. And then why don't we just register a 108 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Bank of America and put the money right into my 109 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: checking account, Like if you're gonna be like buying me 110 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: the sports, send it a positive form with the wedding 111 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: invitation and stick to the positive form in the R 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: s v P. And just to posit money into my 113 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: bank account or go old school Italian and just give 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: me an envelope filled with cash at the wedding. You know, 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: it's a whole Ponzi scheme money operation that's getting run. 116 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: And then we're talking about the pandemic now and people 117 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: are doing it by zoom, and I guess I almost 118 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: respect that, because that's like you just want to be 119 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: connected and get married, But then you're zooming it for 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: other I don't know. And then I think some people 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: are not getting married and they're using the pandemic as 122 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: an excuse. It's a great punt excuse to not get 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: married right now people are pressuring you, or if like 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: you're supposed to, or the stress is getting to it's 125 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: just a great punt. But I know a lot of 126 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: people who are waiting. But is that also not of 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: the moment to have a multiple hundreds of thousands of 128 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: dollars of wedding fairytale thing? Is that like sort of 129 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, not of the moment. And then I think 130 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: jay Rod also postponed their wedding because they're probably gonna 131 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: have this big extravagance in Italy. Maybe they just don't 132 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: want to do it at all, unless it's the level 133 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: of wedding that a couple like that of that scale 134 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: would would have. But then why not just have the 135 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: intimate ceremony the two of you. Isn't the point to 136 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: to unite? If a tree falls and no one heard it, 137 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: did it really fall? I think yeah, if if if 138 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: a marriage happens and no one really heard it. It It 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: did happen because you are now married. So isn't the 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: point in those cases if you want to have the big, 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: elaborate thing, to have that moment for you and maybe 142 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: even your family just for the unity, and then have 143 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: the big thing, have the big party, have the vows again. 144 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what the meaning of the wedding 145 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: dynamic is now and if it's just devolved and this 146 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: is all happened in a landscape where women want equal 147 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: pay and deserve equal pay to men, there is there 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: is gender disparity and finances and job um availability. And 149 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: so should the man ask the woman? Should the woman 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: ask the man? Should should the whole thing be shifted 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: upside down? Should everything be marketed to women? Like? You? 152 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Just can't have it both ways? So I think there's 153 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion in marriage and gender and money. 154 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: What do you all think? My guest today is Norma Camali. 155 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: She has been in the fashion industry for over fifty 156 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: years and is known for designs like the Sleeping Coat 157 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: and her sweat collection. She also wrote I Am Invincible, 158 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: which chronicles the decades of her life. She is an 159 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: expert on health and wellness and skincare and exercise, and 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: today she shares with me what it was like to 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: overcome the sexism of the fashion industry and getting engaged 162 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: at seventy five. She is stunning and there's so much 163 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: to learn from her. I can't wait to share this 164 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: conversation with you. If I had to put a stereotype 165 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: on what you might be wearing. I love the fact 166 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: that it's animal print and you and you have the 167 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: sort of the cat I and you know, I just 168 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: like the whole sort of the feline look you have going. 169 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: Not not every day today is today. You're an animal today. Well, 170 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. So 171 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: you are an icon which is not something that you 172 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: can really say about that many people. People can be successful, 173 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: or people can be rich or famous, but being iconic 174 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: is something to really celebrate and to give people who 175 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: are listening just insight into your journey. So welcome. Thank 176 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: you for inviting me. I really like the Mark Cuban 177 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: interview a lot. Oh, thank you. I I thought it 178 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: was really good. I liked it. Thank you every time 179 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: about someone, including someone who I'm friends with, like Mark 180 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: or Andy Cohen or uh Chelsea Handler I learned things 181 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: about them. So I love that part of it because 182 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a person who really prepares for things that much. 183 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: I just off the cuff. But for this I do 184 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: some reading because it's fascinating to just hear about someone's journey. 185 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: So I did know that you got married early, and 186 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: that was it was challenging in that were you you 187 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: were enmeshed in your business with your husband. I was 188 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: very young, but I was bringing clothes back from London 189 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: in in the mid sixties, which was really the very 190 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: beginning of what was going on in that sixties revolution 191 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: on King's Road in London. And then he was a 192 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: student here. He was an Iranian student, and there are 193 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: lots of Iranian students here at the time. During the show, 194 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: and we both were like two lost kids. My mother 195 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: was menopausal and I had to get out of the house. 196 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: And you didn't just leave the house and live with someone. 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: You got married. And he thought it was lost to 198 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: So we met because we wanted dance contest together. And 199 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a good enough reason to get married 200 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: if you want to leave your mother's house. So I did. 201 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, how I mean to get into business 202 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: to be a businesswoman at that age to have that 203 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: even inclination or to think that you have a fire 204 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: inside to do that. Where did that come from? Because 205 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: you can say it now is just an anecdotal story, 206 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: but in that time a to be a woman in 207 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: business is you know, really really just sort of like 208 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: beyond Maverick status. But to have the confidence and the 209 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: wherewithal to even say the word business then as a woman. 210 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: So where did that come from? And how did that 211 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: sort of happen? You're so right. After ten years, when 212 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I was like twenty seven, he and I separated and 213 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 1: by twenty nine I left. And at the time, everybody 214 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: knew that men were so much better at business then women, 215 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: so we accepted that as fact. And he handled the money, 216 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: and he was clever in keeping me sort of hostage 217 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: because I only had ninety eight dollars to my name 218 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: because I wasn't getting a salary. But I loved what 219 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: I was doing so much. I was sort of held hostage. 220 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: You may not have had any money, but you were 221 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: building a brand exactly. But nobody knew me I was 222 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: actually and everybody knew him, but they didn't know me. 223 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: But he sold the clothes Remember this is before the brands, 224 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: before Holston, before Ralph, before, this is before and so 225 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I finally left with ninety eight dollars and I didn't 226 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: know what I was gonna do, and I never I 227 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: didn't even think that women have a challenge being a business. 228 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: All I knew was I loved being a designer. I 229 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: loved being creative, and that was the kind of life 230 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to have. And so because that was such 231 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: a strong motivation for me, I figured out how to 232 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: become a woman in business. And I realized early on 233 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: that I really liked it. I liked the business side 234 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: of it, but I had no role models. You're so right, 235 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: there was nobody in that time when um we're talking 236 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: ninety five seventy six, and I really had to figure 237 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: out how to pay the rent, how to borrow money 238 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: from people. I never told anybody that I had a problem. 239 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: I was too embarrassed and humiliating. Well you have to be, 240 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: because if you act like you need the money, then 241 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: they don't think you're a real business or real brands. 242 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: I've had assistance making more money than I I did, 243 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, And I've literally had that because I need 244 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: them and I needed to pay them years ago. But 245 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: I can't look like I'm waiting tables while pretending I 246 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: have this sort of brand. There are a lot of 247 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: people who are even on TV right now, who don't 248 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: have any money, but there are on TV, you know 249 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's a very interesting thing. And also, 250 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: you know Warren Buffett, if you watch his documentary, he said, 251 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: we're not utilizing fifty percent of the population like at 252 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: present of a good talent pool, which is such a 253 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: genius way to think about it. But if you yeah, 254 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: if you compound that, Bethany, with the fact that everybody's 255 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: preconceived notions, Now this is a lot of years of 256 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: me having to deal with men, whether it's bankers or 257 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: licensed partners or whatever it is. But you, first of all, 258 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: women are looked at diminutively, like she's sweet. She yeah, 259 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: patter on the back, you know, she's sweet. But then 260 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: you add the designer factor to it, which means she's 261 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: dizzy and sweet, you know, like she knows about that. 262 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Look at how cute she dressed. A business person she's creating. 263 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Look at those shoes she's wearing. So of course I 264 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: had my wardrobe for having a business meeting where I 265 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't distract anybody by having them talk about how I looked, 266 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: And then I quickly learned to turn the conversation around. 267 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: A couple of tricks, ladies, to turn the conversation around 268 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: when you're with a whole bunch of men is to 269 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: talk about what they're wearing first. I promise you it works, 270 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: and then if someone is particularly annoying, you can talk 271 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: about their hair, just saying okay, I like that. It's 272 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: a good distracting technique. So I was reading about your 273 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: sleeping bag code, which I guess was out of that 274 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: parachute material that was sort of your initial design or 275 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: one of your original designs, and it made me think 276 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: you were way ahead of the curve with the snuggy 277 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: and pajama jeans like you, which are not fashionable, but 278 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: someone now should be making sort of pajama fashion. Well, 279 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: pajama fashion is alive, and well I think, uh um we. 280 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but wearing shoes this past 281 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: year has not been on the top of any of 282 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: my lists. So basically what happens is we have a 283 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: COVID imprint and it's there for life. Our experience with 284 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: COVID is impacting every decision we make going forward, including 285 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: what we wear and how we look at comfort and style, 286 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: whether it's in the house or outside of the house. 287 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: But Dave pajamas and Nie pajamas have been huge sellers 288 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: for us, and every version of sweats and and sweats 289 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: that you can wear insign sweats that you wear outside 290 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: and how you interpret that by what you're wearing on 291 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: your feet really changes fashion a lot. As you know, 292 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: if you have an outfit and you wear heels with it, 293 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: it has one look. If you wear sneakers, it's a 294 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: whole other vibe, and if you wear slides, it's another vibe. 295 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: So I know, I visit my shoe closet and I say, girls, 296 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ever gonna have you on 297 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: my feet again. I understand the bags to their lovely artwork, 298 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: but we're not going anywhere. So you're gonna wear a 299 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: bag to the kitchen or the bathroom and you put 300 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: on the heel with the jogger and it's elevating or 301 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: or a wedge because the jogger. People like you, like 302 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Donna Karen with Urban Zen, really take it to a 303 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: fashionable level. This sort of you know, relax, relax. Where 304 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: would you say your most known for swim and things 305 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: around swim, like during the whole sort of course of 306 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: your career, what would be would that would that be 307 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: like the sort of star student. It's it's very interesting. 308 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: My we we sell on net Reporter Revolved matches all 309 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: of those and the client The core demographics for Normakamali 310 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: today is and so to forty five year old means 311 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: she is a very good swimwhere a customer. Obviously the 312 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: type of clothes she wears tend to be more of 313 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: a certain type than say the thirty five to fifty 314 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: five or sixty five euro which we also have, and 315 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: we have that customer base as well, so people know me. 316 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: It's really so interesting, Bethany, because when you're in business 317 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: over fifty years, people know me for different things at 318 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: different times in their lives. And swimwhere is very well 319 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: known for us and for some odd reasons, Swimwhere during 320 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: COVID is explosive, not just for me in the industry. 321 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: It's explosive, and it's good because I'm going into swim 322 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: and I actually wanted to ask your advice and opinions. Wow, Okay, Yes, 323 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: And if you have the right price and the fit 324 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: is critically important, you death net ly will have a 325 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: powerful business. And I'm not sure that I have the 326 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: answer for you on why it's so explosive now, but 327 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a category that's not fashion, and categories that 328 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: are not fashion have longevity through all kinds of fashion 329 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: trends or highs and love you mean it's staple and 330 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: it's function not fashion. Is that what you mean? It's fashion? 331 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: It's it can be look great and designed, but it's 332 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: not judged in the same way that ready to wear. 333 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: It's just like lingerie. It's another kind of category. It 334 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: can be fashionaball, it can be timeless, it can be yes. 335 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: And that's a good that's a good response. Yes, the 336 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: current is not key. Current is not key because when 337 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: I launched it to swim, I'm going to launch a 338 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: Bethany brand. I've alwaly started an eyewear, but I'm going 339 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: to launch the swim in Bethany. But because I'm already 340 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: in shapewear and do very well, and the price point 341 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: is good, and um, it's very clean, and it's it's 342 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: subtly subtly so subtly and elegantly sexy, but not you know, slutty. 343 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's even a bad word, 344 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: but it's probably a slut shaming word, but I'm saying 345 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: it's not promiscuous, it's not probably it's just elegant. I 346 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: wanted to go into swim because I really think that 347 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: it's gotten too sort of colorful and blinged out in 348 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: feathery and beat it. And I looked to Norma Camali 349 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: and heriss in my mind as brands where and the 350 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: old Donna carn bathing suits where it's just like clean 351 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: and you're a woman and you can look like you 352 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: have a good body. You have to show every inch 353 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: yourself and you're understanding what your body is and it's 354 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: got your curves and you're just you know, you know 355 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: who you are, your confidentbleating to show every inch of 356 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: your body through this bathing suit. And so I thought 357 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: of you in the vision, you know, from years ago. 358 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: And I know you still have a storm Manhattan. Well, 359 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: um not since COVID. We we were straightly online now 360 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: and I'm not even sure that I want to store. 361 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we're doing so well actually through e commerce 362 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: are e commerce business is on fire and we're exceeding 363 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: nineteen and obviously so retail stores need a complete revision 364 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: and concept. And I have an idea, but I need 365 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: I need a little bit more time to sort of 366 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: sort out how I want to reframe it. But I'm 367 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: excited about not having a traditional retail store and rethinking 368 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: what that experiences that people have. But e commerce is 369 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: unbeatable and um connecting directly with your consumer and and 370 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: being available for them, which you are, and your personality 371 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: is familiar with the people who follow you, and that's 372 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: my job too to make sure they have access to 373 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: me and that I have access to what they want 374 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: and what they need, and that that's everything right. Well, 375 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Adler was saying the exact same thing. He's got 376 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: a bunch of stores. He would have been buried and 377 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: drowning had he not had e commerce platform. And for 378 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: those of you at home who have your own businesses 379 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: or want to start, this is the tech revolution. There 380 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: was the Industrial revolution with machinery and you know, replacing 381 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, manpower, woman power. This is the tech revolution. 382 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: And people are having a lot of anxiety right now 383 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: and worrying, and people can't eat, and if you can 384 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: pull yourself sort of together and collect and get out 385 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: of the anxiety, you have to sort of think about 386 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: how to plant the seeds for them to grow for 387 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: this next phase, because it's not going anywhere, and you're 388 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: not too late to sort of get organized in the space. 389 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: And even myself, you know, I'm not organized enough in 390 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: the space. And and Norma was had an online store 391 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: at eBay before you know, anybody even knew anything about 392 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: this stuff. So you've been sort of on the post, 393 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: intentionally or intentionally for a long time. My first job 394 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: out of f I T was at um An Airline 395 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: in the sixties working on a computer, a universe computer, 396 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: and I learned very early what that could mean, and 397 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: so I've been fearless about it because I didn't have 398 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: these preconceived notions about what you needed to know. But 399 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: the efficiency of technology is just it's fantastic. It can't 400 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: be be And I think for the people who are 401 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: listening and who are probably interesting in business, that I 402 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: think it's beyond planting the seeds now, Bethany, you have 403 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: to be doing it now. You just have to decide 404 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: what you feel powerfully strong about and start doing it 405 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: and even setting up a website and doing it with 406 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: other people is really helpful. Like maybe you have a 407 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: friend who has tech experience and and knows about websites 408 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: and can become part of a partnership or a group 409 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: sort of think on how you have a business, or 410 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: you you get another partner who is great at commerce 411 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: and selling and and scaling businesses from sales and data 412 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: that you gather through e commerce, so you all do 413 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: it together. It's easier actually at the beginning to do 414 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: it with other people because there are different things that 415 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: go wrong, and you can't be good at all of them. 416 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: So it's good to have people who can who can 417 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: back you up, and then they have something to sell 418 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: because that's what you have. Well, you talk a lot 419 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: about community. You're talking before you're You're talking a lot 420 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: about community and whether or not someone is going to 421 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: actually even be partners with these people or even just 422 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: know what they don't know and have good people around them. 423 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: You're saying the sum is greater than its parts. Yeah, 424 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: it's very important. Well, I'm a business person for sure, 425 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: and I have a great mind for business and concepts 426 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: and a good gut instinct. But for example, I'm not 427 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: a contract person. I'm a concept person. I always know 428 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: what something is supposed to be and what should be 429 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: in out, how it should be done, And so I 430 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: wanted The reason I'm mentioning that is because are you 431 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: a business person a traditional business person? Are you more creative? Um? 432 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,239 Speaker 1: I've learned that I can be both. I've learned that 433 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: I actually enjoy both, and I think it's made me 434 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: a better designer. I'm not a compromising designer, but I'm 435 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: a more intelligent design owner. I keep myself informed about business. 436 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: I keep myself informed about what is happening politically, what's 437 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: happening geographically, to globally, to what is happening back here. 438 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: And it's really important that you're informed if you're going 439 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: to be in business, and that you feel passionately about 440 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: what it is you are creating or producing or selling 441 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: or servicing. So I actually I didn't think initially that 442 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I would like business, but I really do. And I 443 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed navigating through COVID from last March not having any 444 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: business the zero nobody wanted to wanted any clothing, ship, 445 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: nobody wanted anything, Nobody knew what they we're gonna do 446 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: to figuring out how to proceed. So one of one 447 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: of the things that happened was we were shipping our 448 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: March delivery of spring. We was shipping spring, and my 449 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: factory worked really hard to get it all done so 450 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: I could ship it on time, and we had it 451 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: ready to deliver to all of our accounts and they 452 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't want them. And I stood behind the purchase orders 453 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: that they issued for the clothing, and I said, I, 454 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: you really need to stand behind the purchase order and 455 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: let us ship because I think you will sell it. 456 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: And if you don't want the next season, we're okay 457 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: with you not doing it. But I paid for this, 458 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: it's produced. You need to take it. And they took 459 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: it and they sold everything and that opened the door 460 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: for us. But it was really a scary, very situation 461 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: to to decide to push that, but I basically I 462 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: had no choice. We spent the money to produce it 463 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: all and we needed them to take it. And I 464 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: really felt they would sell it because people would be home. Well, 465 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: I think that what you're saying overall is that you 466 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: know what you know and you know what you don't know, 467 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: and times that stretch you where you're having to navigate 468 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the unknown and chart your course. You kind of you know, 469 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: you get woke, you kind of get invigorated and like 470 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: learn about something, And um, I think sometimes not knowing 471 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: is amazing. Like I didn't know that I had no 472 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: idea there was even a list on podcast that this 473 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: would be so successful, this would be one of the 474 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: top podcast before it even launched. And then I didn't 475 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: know anything about alcohol. I walked into the alcohol space, 476 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: had no idea. There was never a localory ready to 477 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: drink beverage before in history. We were the fastest growing 478 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: beverage in history. So while I like data and it's 479 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: nice to sort of think once or into something about 480 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: what's going on and not be just in in a 481 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: in a in a foxhole without any information. I like 482 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: the gut instinct and I like the kind of the 483 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: exploration process that you're describing and just navigating it because 484 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: you might be finding out something that nobody else knows. 485 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: You might find something by listening to so many people talk, 486 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: you know it might not have been done already. And 487 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: this is such a time for innovation that you kind 488 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: of have to do a combination of listening to other 489 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: people but also have your own point of view if 490 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: you're that kind of individual thinker, which I think everybody 491 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: is in some way. Yeah, definitely. I know when I 492 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: was thinking about writing this book, the initial idea of 493 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: it came from a friend of mine was having her 494 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday and we were all asked to do some 495 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: sort of gift for her that was based on turning fifty. 496 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: And so I illustrated one of those little mole books 497 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and I did fifty tips on turning fifty and it 498 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: got a big response and people were asking me, well, 499 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: why don't you make this into a book. And so 500 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: I was working with a publisher on another book about 501 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: facelifts and acupuncture, and they said, you need to make 502 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: this into a media book. So the idea of aging 503 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: with power, there's a lot that I can share from 504 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: that perspective. And so, you know, there are these circumstances 505 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden illustrate what you should be 506 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: doing next if you pay attention to how people are 507 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: reacting or intuiting, like you said, you know, at a 508 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: certain time, without having education about it or information. So 509 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: I then realized I had an asset in my seventy 510 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: five years as a woman, and what I could share 511 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: with other women as they go through transitions through their thirties, forties, fifties, 512 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: and sixties, seventies, and and it's incredible. For one, I 513 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: wish I had a handbook when I was doing all 514 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: of this and going through my twenties, thirties and forties 515 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: and fifties, and there are these transitions are huge, Bethany there, 516 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: they're monumental. And obviously forty is you know your brand, 517 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: you know this is the time to monetize it, this 518 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: is the time to do it. And then at fifty 519 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: you have to reinvent. That is the time you have 520 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: no choice, like pushes you in that direction to reinvent. 521 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: And that fifty reinventtion you don't even mean just business. 522 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: You mean as a human, as a woman, every way, 523 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: every way, every way, and for me, the way and 524 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and the messages, the way you decide to reinvent at fifty, 525 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: or the way you decide to take your brand and 526 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: it could be you your brand, not necessarily a product, 527 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: like a brand and monetize it. And how you set 528 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: that up sets up the stage for how your fifty 529 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: reinvention will be. And the fifty reinvention sets the stage 530 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. You don't have to 531 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: worry about becoming invisible. You know, as people get older, 532 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about a lot of the 533 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: fears about aging. And of course the three pillars of 534 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: a healthy lifestyle, which your sleep, diet, and exercise, are 535 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: the mantra throughout the book, because those are the tools 536 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: that give you self esteem and confidence about your physical 537 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: and mental health and your overall well being. So that 538 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: aging with Power is a reality, not some sort of 539 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: fictional concept. And so that little book really open for 540 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: me a recognition of what my purposes in this lifetime. 541 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: And my purpose has been to serve women, obviously, but 542 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: to share this information is really um I see very 543 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: well received and and I'm I'm so happy to do it. 544 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: It brings me lots of joy. I'm excited about it. 545 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: I want I I turned just turned fifty and I'm 546 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: I didn't make a big giant deal about it. I 547 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: wasn't crying. I just but I feel good about it. 548 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: I talk about it. It's good. I don't live in it. 549 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: I just it's it's my life. It's who I am, 550 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, And I love that you're such a female 551 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: empowerment figure and so modern that I want to hear 552 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: about getting engaged at seventy five and how long you've 553 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: been together. I know that it's a It's funny because 554 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: my boyfriend, you know, saw his name Marty dam and 555 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I've heard of him, but my boyfriend's like, oh, I 556 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: know him? So what, um was a dating in your seventies? 557 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: Like be what did you know? You were getting engaged? 558 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: And that's very traditional, which I like to And you 559 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: do have a traditional side to you based on some 560 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: of the things you've told me, and I do as well. Um, 561 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: and you can't. You can be traditional and modern, which 562 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: I am as well. And so is my house, by 563 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: the way, and then all the meaning of all that. 564 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: It's beautiful and I just want to hear about it, 565 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: and if you guys are partners a little bit in 566 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: business too, about how that business uh personal relationship intertwined. 567 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: I thought for sure that other people would have soulmates. 568 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: I figure that you know, I'm my I'm good, I 569 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: have good life, and but the soul mate thing is 570 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: obviously not going to be my experience. I didn't feel lonely. 571 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: I felt years earlier that maybe life was passing me by, 572 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: and then I then I thought, fuck that, No, that's 573 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: not true. I'm not Life's not passing me by. So 574 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: I was stating, but none, none of the dating were 575 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: serious enough to to say that this was my soul. 576 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: Did none of them reach that caliber? But you had game, yeah, 577 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: So and I had a good time. And I was 578 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: a redhead for fifteen years of that period of time, 579 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: so I had a really good time. However, Ian Schraeger, 580 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: who's a very good friend of mine for a very 581 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: long time, hated every guy ever went out with and 582 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: decided for some reason at sixty five he found me 583 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: the person that I should be with. So I could 584 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: not believe that he could be right about something like that, 585 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: So I didn't take it seriously. In fact, I think 586 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: I had been at the gym. I didn't even go 587 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: home to shower for the first time I met Marty, 588 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: So that was like, not what is right? You don't 589 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: take it seriously and now and so we met and 590 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: we never would have been drawn to each other in 591 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: other circumstances, with just different lives, right, and so we 592 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: had a few conversations, and I was really impressed with 593 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: how smart he was and how extraordinary he is as 594 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: a person. So we started dating. That was ten years ago, 595 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: and he travels a lot, a lot, a lot, and 596 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm busy a lot. So we were together morning, noon, 597 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: and night through COVID. We were cooking together, we always 598 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: go out to eat. We were doing things that we 599 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: never did, and we would have times that we would 600 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: sit by the window and talk and have tea, or 601 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: we'd have other times that we would do things that 602 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: we have like a plan. It was very romantic and 603 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: so on my birthday he put a note by the 604 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: side of the bed when I woke up saying, you know, 605 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: I think we should get married. And we never talked 606 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: about it. We never, like stop in ten years, you 607 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: never talked about it. No, like for what, why would 608 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: I want to get married? I love this, this is 609 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: such a good story. So um, so he said, what 610 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: do you think should we get married? And I was like, yeah, 611 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: why not? So then we were thinking, well, when are 612 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: we going to get married? And we talked about October, 613 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: and then we talked about February and it was like, no, 614 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: I want to dance, I want a big dance party. 615 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: I want to sweat, I want to hug my friends, 616 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: I want to be outside. Let's wait until the summer 617 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: and just have a huge dance party and tell everybody, 618 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: by the way, we got married and that's it. And 619 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: so we're waiting to get the COVID sign off and 620 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: we're ready. I cannot wait. I love this. It's so 621 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: funny because we were just talking about um weddings that 622 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: I love it and I love what you're saying. And 623 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: for anybody listening, I'm not into superficiality. I'm sitting here 624 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: in pajamas, not where you makeup. But google Norma Kamali 625 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: if you have don't don't have a visual because she's 626 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: beautiful and his beautiful skin and edgy and fashionable, and 627 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: in that relationship, like myself and my relationship, I can 628 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: tell you're the peacock. There's only one peacock in the relationship. 629 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: And I have a very conservative, you know, understated man 630 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: that I'm in a relationship with the the same thing 631 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: as you. We would never have run into each other. 632 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: So I love that. And I also think that getting 633 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: that note by your bedside was the ultimate sign of trust. 634 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: You know, your business person, he's a businessman. You know 635 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: you get into later in life. It's it's different it's 636 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: more like business in some ways that it gets a 637 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 1: little tacky with prenups and agreements and divorces and things. 638 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: So it seems like you were together and just really 639 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: connecting during this pandemic, which is a glass half full 640 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, to say the least, that there's an 641 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: ultimate sign of trust, like I want to be bound 642 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, that's the ultimate sign of trust. 643 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: That's what I get from that whole story. Yeah, it's true, 644 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: and and I think there's a silver lining and COVID 645 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: and some relationship small a cart and others come closer 646 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: together and both of us recognize we were not ready 647 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: for each other before the time we met. And I 648 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: wasn't ready at all. I didn't have do enough work 649 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: on myself on my own development to accept a soulmate. 650 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: It's a big it's a big acceptance allowing. It's very 651 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: I agree, And so now I really have such an 652 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: appreciation for having a soulmate. I have such an appreciation 653 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: for being with someone who's extremely intelligent and uh interesting 654 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: and vital. And so for me, we don't do business together, 655 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 1: and we're very different and what we do, but we 656 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: inspire each other on a lot of levels, and we 657 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: we have the same moral character. I think that's such 658 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: a big factor in being connected to someone that your 659 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: belief systems are pretty much the same, even though you 660 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: know I gets in there. I call it fundamentals. The 661 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: fundamentals have to be there, the fundamental basic fundamentals, and 662 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: it could literally be cultural religious, the way you like 663 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: to travel, that your personal habits, like fundamentals have to 664 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: be there in a relationship. I've learned more from my failures, 665 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: just like in business, in relationships, and I have for 666 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: my successes. And I have a book called I Suck 667 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: at Relationships, So you don't have to because like you, 668 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: I haven't allowed and I need to accept and have 669 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: developed and being therapy and all of that. So will 670 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: you retire in any sort of way? Do you ever say, 671 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: like I want to get off this ride. I have 672 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: my pile of money because I think like that. I 673 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: like time and I like sleep, and I sometimes don't 674 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: like to constantly pulled out in the weeds, and I say, 675 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: let me just get to the safety spot so I 676 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: can really only just do the things which I'm at. 677 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: But you know, when you put your money back on 678 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: the tables, as you know, you've taken your money out 679 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: of tables the casino, then you put go back in. 680 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: You've got to kind of follow up on your bets 681 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: and manage it. So where are you in that process 682 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 1: in your career? Well, like I said, I my dream 683 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 1: was to have a creative life, and I have it, 684 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: and I have a furniture collection coming out, my scent 685 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: is coming out. I'm doing a lot of projects that 686 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: I love, and I think my purpose with the topics 687 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: in this book about aging with Power are important for 688 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: me to talk about. The book is called I Am Invincible, 689 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: and aging with Power is is the core of the book. 690 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: And so I know that topic and I'm really comfortable 691 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: with it. And I think the more women that talk 692 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: about age and feel empowered by age, the better we're 693 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: going to be on a lot of levels. It's a 694 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: whole other conversation. But but I do think that I 695 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: learned something about balance in my life through COVID. Also, 696 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: I never thought that I could have my business and 697 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: not be on site every day. Great and I and 698 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: I realized that I can do on site offsite and 699 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,439 Speaker 1: so for that, I now realize I can have more 700 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: balance in time, in nature and time for myself while 701 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: still committing the amount of time I do to my business. 702 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: But because of being on site and offsite, I have 703 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: options out that he didn't have before. And a lot 704 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: of other people are feeling that a lot of moms 705 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: who can work but can't work on site. Or now 706 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: there's there's a website, a hiring site called Mom's Project 707 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 1: that is really good and we are wanting to hire 708 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: from there because now we know we can have more 709 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: people offsite. And so I think having balance with Bethany 710 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: is probably more important for me than choosing one or 711 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: the other. I love doing things, inventing things. I think 712 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: of myself more as an inventor than a designer. So 713 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: I like coming up with new ideas for doing things 714 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: that have been done before, haven't been done and so 715 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: uh and and new ideas and technology too. It's nourishing 716 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: like you need it and people at home. There are 717 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: things that you know once you've had what you need 718 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: to be fed, you kind of know that you just 719 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: continually need that in different ways. And for me, it's 720 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: an outlet. This is an outlet these conversations like I 721 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: need to be having conversations. I need to be not 722 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: only learning, but I like to be communicating so and 723 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: I'm not very social, so this is like a different thing. 724 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: And doing this with you, you know, it sounds like 725 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about is liberation, like you don't you can? 726 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: You can? You can sort of, it's a Ellen's It's 727 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: amazing what you're saying, and um, it's so funny. You're 728 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: the first guest, Like usually, it winds down and I'm 729 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: gonna let you go because your time is so valuable, 730 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: which I appreciate you so many things going on. I 731 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: congratulate you and I could literally you're the first guest 732 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: I could talk to forty five more minutes. I have 733 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: ten more thanks for you. What a wonderful experience, So 734 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. And you're amazing 735 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: and inspiring and I loved our conversation. Nice meeting, really, 736 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: nice meeting you. Bethany Norma Camali is iconic and those 737 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: of you listening are all different ages. And if you're me, 738 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: you remember her iconic bathing suits and amazing gorgeous, elegant 739 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: cover ups and you just know that name. But I 740 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 1: didn't know what she looked like, and I really didn't 741 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: know anything about her personal life, which is why I 742 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: find this so fascinating and interesting, this whole journey for 743 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: me with you together. Thank you for listening, and don't 744 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: forget to rate, review and subscribe. By the way, but 745 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: she is stunning, she is captivating, eating, she is honest, 746 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: she is vulnerable. She's definitely an HBI C but has 747 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: this nature of being really relaxed and sweet and just 748 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: healthy and not scary. Um. I thought she was wonderful. 749 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: I just thought it was such a great conversation with 750 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: someone who's a fashion icon, who's watching the changes in 751 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: an industry that doesn't know itself what it is anymore. 752 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: And I just love these conversations with all these different 753 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: types of people. So thank you so much for listening. 754 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: That was amazing. Just Be is hosted by me Bethany 755 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: frank Poll. Our managing producer is Fiona Smith, and our 756 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: producer is Stephanie Stender. Sarah Katnac is our assistant producer, 757 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: and our development executive is Naantara. Just Be as a 758 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: production of Be Real Productions and Endeavor Content. This episode 759 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: was mixed by Sam Bear. To catch more moments from 760 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: the show, follow us on Instagram and Just Be with 761 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: Bethany Fie