1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: One year ago, the world was racing for the fall 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: of Key. Well, I guess come from a good at 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: the Keep, and I can report Keep stands strong. There's 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: no lack of support and commitment in the US government 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: to Ukraine, but there is signs of waning there. It's 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: not as strong as it was a year ago. I 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: believe I could settle that thing in twenty four hours. 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: I think I could. I really could. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Policy and perspective from DC's top name. I don't understand 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: how a neutral suggestion about something that you've expressed an 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: interest in is aiding and advantage such a two thirty 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: helped create the Internet as we know it. Bloomberg Sound 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden addresses 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: the world from Poland after planting a flag in Ukraine. 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics. As Vladimir Putin 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: pulls out of the Start nuclear treaty, we'll dig into 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: the challenges that will come with a second year of war. 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: In a conversation with Kurt folk Er, former US Ambassador 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: to NATO, former Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations. Section two 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: thirty gets this day before the Supreme Court twice. Kind of. 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: We'll explore the two cases that are related with Bloomberg's 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: Greg Store and as Donald Trump steps up attacks on 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis. Will have analysis from our signature panel Bloomberg 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano. Back with us. 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Off a long weekend, the optics were primed for President 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Biden's addressed today in Poland. He stood before the Royal 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Castle Gardens in Warsaw before a crowd of thirty thousand. Listen. 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: One year ago, the world was racing for the fall 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: of Keep. Well, I guess come from a visitor Keep, 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and I can report Keeve stands strong. Keeves stands proud, 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: It stands tall, and most important is stands free to speech. 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: You have to see and hear in context, of course, 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: a year later, recalling the doubts that existed a year ago, 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: rightfully on both sides of the conflict. Remember, this was 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: going to be done in five days or less. Here's 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: the president again, one year, one year into this war, 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: who no longer doubts the strength of our coalition? But 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: he still doubts our conviction, He doubts our staying power, 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: He doubts are continue support for Ukraine. He doubts where 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: our NATO can remain unified. But there should be no 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: doubt our support for Kraine will not waiver, NATO will 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: not be divided, and we will not tire. And with 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: the first anniversary of the war set for Friday, we 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: have a conversation with Kurt Volker, the former US Special 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Representative for Ukraine negotiations, the former US Ambassador to NATO. 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: Mister ambassador, it's great to have you back here, and 48 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to just start simply with your impressions of 49 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: the speech today. The stakes are high here, both domestically 50 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and abroad. Coming a day off the President's surprise trip 51 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: to Kiev, how did it hit you? Very happy to 52 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: see the President's visit to Kiev and the forceful tone 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: of his remarks today. He is clearly staking the United 54 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: States prestige and credibility on Ukraine's success here in this conflict, 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: which is very important. That being said, we need to 56 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: see the follow through on this. So much of this 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: speech sounded like we're already declaring victory. That okay, Well, 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: We've succeeded here, but the war is far from over. 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Russia is still recruiting people and throwing them at the 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: front line. We have not given the Ukrainians the longest 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: range munitions that they need. We've not given them any aircraft. 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: There's a long way to go. But I hope that 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: on the strength of the President's visit and his remarks, 64 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: that the administration now lifts the remaining restrictions that we 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: have on our a to Ukraine. We don't have any 66 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: indication of that. Is it going to take another year 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: to be talking about F sixteens in Ukraine. Let's certainly 68 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: hope not, because time is in the essence. I think 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: there's a danger of complacency that because Ukraine is still 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: standing one year on that ge we did everything right, 71 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: when in fact, I think we should look back at 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: the last year and say we made a lot of mistakes. 73 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: We said that we weren't going to supply certain things, 74 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: and then we changed our minds and did it, but 75 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: did it late. We didn't have enough investment in our 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: production capacity, which we could have done as well, even 77 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: things like training fighter pilots so that they could fly 78 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: on F sixteens. We're going to start that now. We 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: should have started that a year ago. Now, that being said, 80 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: since we haven't started yet, we should start now. But 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: we should be looking at how we can move these 82 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: things much faster. Ukrainians are losing a lot of lives 83 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: as well. You mentioned the Russian casualties which are huge, 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: but they also have more people to throw at this, 85 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: and it's a dictatorship. Ukraine's a democracy and they're losing 86 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: lots of lives, so they can't keep this up for months. 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: They need to move faster. Well, you know, we heard 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: from Vladimir Putin today. We're obviously seeing massive coverage of 89 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's speech here in America, but Putin delivered his 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: first State of the Nation address in two years earlier today. 91 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Let's fire up the music and do it right, yep, 92 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the full pomp and circumstance, as he addressed a nation 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: at war and actually made some news to our benefit 94 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: here halting the New Star Treaty, basically suspending Russia's involvement 95 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: in the in the start nuclear treaty here with the US, 96 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: which is in itself a very dangerous development. And while 97 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: he was at it, Vladimir Putin reminded the world that 98 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: it's America's fault that Ukraine is at war. Listen, responsibility 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: for famenting the Ukrainian conflict, for its escalation, and for 100 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: the increasing number of victims lies entirely with Western elites. 101 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: And of course the current regime in Key, for which 102 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people are essentially strangers. Okay, kurt ful Kurt, 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: how much more dangerous is the world today now that 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: Russia is not observing the treaty? Well, it's not. And 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: we have to draw a distinction between what Putin says 106 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: and what he means and why he's saying it. So 107 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: Putin was not implementing fully the news Star Treaty as 108 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: it is. They had already suspended inspections under that treaty, 109 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: so we were not able to do the most important 110 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: thing that we can do, which is go and make 111 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: sure they're adhering to the limits. So the treaty was 112 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: already in that situation. He's just now saying it publicly. 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Why is he saying it publicly? I think he's trying 114 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: to get inside the heads of people in the Biden 115 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: administration who are committed to nuclear arms control to make 116 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: them worried that our support for Ukraine is damaging nuclear 117 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: arms control, so that they would therefore mitigate against aid 118 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. But clearly what we heard from the President 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: is he's not buying it, that he is committed to 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: supporting Ukraine and putin going out of this treaty isn't 121 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: going to change that. The other thing that we have 122 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: to remember, and we have to remember this ourselves, is 123 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: that it's not the treaty that keeps us safe, it's 124 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: deterrence that keeps us safe. So we need to rely 125 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: on making sure that we have a capable nuclear capability, 126 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: a response capability, so that Russia is never tempted actually 127 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: to use a nuclear weapon against us. Well to that end, 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: listen to the Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln talking 129 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: about this, and I found his language fascinating. Kurt, listen 130 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to the Secretary here. We'll be watching carefully to see 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: what Russia actually does, will of course make sure that 132 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: in any of that we are postured appropriately for the 133 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: security of our own country and that of our allies. 134 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: Postured appropriately. Is that the deterrence you're speaking of, Yes, 135 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: it is, and that's exactly the right kind of message 136 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: for him to be sending we have an array of 137 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: nuclear capabilities. We have submarine launched, we have long range 138 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: I see the MS. We have some shorter range that 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: are based on aircraft in Europe. We have an array 140 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: of capabilities, and the Russians know that, and the Russians 141 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: know that any nuclear use would lead to nuclear retaliation, 142 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: which would be mutual assured destruction, but certainly destructive of Russia. 143 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: And that is what has prevented nuclear arms conflict throughout 144 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: the Cold War and through this day. Now. I don't 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: mean to disparage having nuclear arms treaties. It's a good 146 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: thing to have them when they work, when we reduce 147 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: levels of armaments, and when we allow inspections. But Russian 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: wasn't doing that anyway, so we're not losing much body 149 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: statement today it was renewed when this president came into 150 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: the White House. Should they have even bothered? Donald Trump 151 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: didn't renew it. What they should have done, and honestly, 152 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: what they should have done what President Trump was doing, 153 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: which was demand that it'd be extended for a longer 154 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: period and with a full inspection regime. And the Russians 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: were not agreeing to that, which is why it was 156 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: about to expire, and we agreed to a one year 157 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: extension with no new inspection regime added to it, And 158 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: that is now basically being picked up by the Russian saying, okay, 159 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: we're tearing out up now too. I suspect you saw 160 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: or heard enough of the speech to day from from 161 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin to have a feel for this, referring to 162 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: the godless nature of our culture, one that is rife 163 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: with pedophilia, the references to pedophilia. What's this all about? 164 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Who's who's writing the speech? Or maybe maybe I should 165 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: ask you who the audience is for that. Well, first off, 166 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Putin's main audience here is Western policymakers, who he wants 167 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: to convince are facing a Russia that is determined, that 168 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: is strong, that's always going to keep fighting or not 169 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: giving him because he wants to cause us to back down. 170 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: But then he's also speaking to the Russian people, and 171 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: this is particularly important. He's trying to vince the Russian 172 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: people that Russia is in the right, even though they're 173 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: the ones that attacked Ukraine and they're committing war crimes 174 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: and they've lost tens of thousands of lives over two 175 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand casualties. The economy is under sanctions, people are hurting, 176 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: the state revenues are down, and he's trying to justify 177 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: this by saying that first off, they didn't start the war, 178 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: but in fact they did, but he's lying about it, 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: saying they didn't. He's saying that Ukraine is run by 180 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: Nazis and needs to be demilitarized, that Ukraine attacked Russia first, 181 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: which is not true. And then he's saying that the 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: West is against them, and the West is this corrupt, decadent, 183 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: a immoral place in the world, and he's protecting values 184 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: for the Russian people. So it's a whole construct that's 185 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: they're designed to convince the Russian people that the enormous 186 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: sacrifices he's putting them through are in some way worth 187 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: it before he asks more to go die yes, which 188 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: he is doing. He's doing it every day. Sure is. 189 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: The issue of China came up over the weekend, the 190 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: administration getting the news out there that China may be 191 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: prepared to offer in their words, lethal assistance provide weapons essentially, 192 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: but or could be money as well to help Russia 193 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: in the war effort. Here's Blincoln again on Meet the Press. 194 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: They are strongly considering providing lethal assistance to Russia. To 195 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: the best of our knowledge, they haven't crossed that. But 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: as we're sharing, Yeah, in what form, Chuck, Chuck, I 197 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: don't want to get into the details in this um uh, 198 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: in this in this moment, but there are various kinds 199 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: of lethal assistance that they're at least contemplating providing, to 200 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: include weapons. Kurt Volker, is this deterrence essentially like we've 201 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: been kind of the game, we've the counterintelligence game we've 202 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: been playing with Russia to get out there and advance 203 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: what their plans are so they don't actually go through 204 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: with it. I think there's a little bit of that. 205 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he would have said it if he 206 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: didn't have some kind of intelligence behind it that indicated 207 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: that it might actually be about to happened. So I 208 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: think he wanted to put it out for that reason. 209 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: That being said, I think we are misunderstanding China a 210 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: little bit on this. China is going to pursue Chinese interests, 211 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: not Russian interests, and Chinese interests are to make sure 212 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: that they are not lumped together with Russia in its 213 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: war of aggression against Ukraine. China certainly wants to take 214 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: over Taiwan, but they view that as a legitimate Taiwan 215 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: is not recognized as a sovereign independent state, is not 216 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: a member of the uWin, and they don't want to 217 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: be lumped together with Russia in this. They also have 218 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: much bigger economic interests with the US and with Europe 219 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: and possibly even Ukraine reconstruction than they actually have with Russia. 220 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: So if Russia can be helpful to China in business 221 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: and making money, okay, they'll do that. But I don't 222 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: think that they're strategically aligned and wanting to get involved 223 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: in the war in any direct way. Boy. I mean, 224 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: China has to understand the implications there if it wants 225 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: to have a future in trade with the West, right exactly. Yes, 226 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: they know. They see the sanctions that the US and 227 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Europe have imposed on Russia, and they have been careful 228 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: not to get involved in a situation where they're subject 229 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: to sanctions because of that, and they're worried that we 230 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: may extend that to include secondary sanctions more than we 231 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: already have. They're careful to avoid that. So I don't 232 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: think they want to step in it. Kurt Volker, It's 233 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: great to have you today, but thank you for coming back. 234 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: Kurt Volker's former US Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations and 235 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to NATO. With US as we get 236 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: things started here on Bloomberg Sound On, time to assemble 237 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: our panel, Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors 238 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: with us now as we come off the speech and 239 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: the visit to Ukraine, the visit to Kiev, it's our 240 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: first chance to have a chance to dig into some 241 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: of this. Rick, I'd like to start at the beginning 242 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: with both of you here. A really interesting conversation with 243 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Kurt Volker there, who I know you've worked with at 244 00:13:53,240 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: the McCain Institute. Considering the speech itself, well written, well delivered, timed, 245 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: what's your take. I assume you're talking about the Biden speech, 246 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: not the Putin Thank you for delineating. Yeah, No, Uh, look, 247 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: I think I think it was exceptionally well timed. Right. Uh, 248 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: anytime you can bracket Vladimir Putin by a visit into 249 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Kiev and then a big speech in front of a 250 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: roaring crowd in the capital of Poland. Uh, You're you're 251 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: really doing a number that that was I think extraordinarily 252 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: well timed and well executed. UM. But I also believe 253 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: that UM the speech I think could have lent more urgency. 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean, as Ambassador Volker was describing about the need 255 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: for speed, uh, this is exactly what Zelenski has been saying, 256 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: even in his comments to the President on his visit. Um. 257 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't do any good to have the equipment coming 258 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: in late, and we already are seeing report after report 259 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: of stockpile problems and being able to get things delivered 260 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: within a year. Uh. And he's fighting a ground war 261 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: with a against the military that out numbers him in everywhere, 262 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: shape and form, and so I wish he could have 263 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: been a little bit more forceful. Right. It's almost like 264 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: a victory lap, and there's no victory in Ukraine today. 265 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: So otherwise, I thought it met the needs right. It 266 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: rallied Europe around the cause and supported that it was. 267 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: There were messages for the United States electorate so that 268 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: they can continue to support the war, and obviously, you know, 269 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: some very strong messages into the Kremlin. So I think 270 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: I think he hit the highlights. But but I do 271 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: think this administration is open to criticism if they're not 272 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: really turning on the gas at this point. There's something 273 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: to that genie that there was certainly the whiff of 274 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: victory lap if only Joe Biden's sort of message that 275 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: can you believe we're still standing here? You know, nobody 276 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: thought we'd be here today, and we're stronger for it. 277 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: But how could he have advanced the ball to favor 278 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine like ricussing? You know, I do think that he 279 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: advanced the ball in the most important way, and that 280 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: was to send a message of unity to Russia and 281 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: to say that we are here, and the mantra he 282 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: kept echoing as long as it takes. In other words, 283 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: you thought going in, you being Russia, that we would not, 284 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: because of energy and other issues, be united, We would 285 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: not stand together, and we are so to that extent, 286 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I thought the most important message he gave there was 287 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: the one he gave to Russia, which is that you 288 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: will not divide us, and we will not. As long 289 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: as you continue this, we will not give up on Ukraine. 290 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: That said, I think there's always room for criticism, and 291 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the ambassador listed some of those issues out and the 292 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: Abiden administration will take those up as they go forward. 293 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 294 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at five pm Easter on Bloomberg Radio, 295 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: the tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg 296 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Business App. You can also listen live on Amazon All 297 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: from our flagship New York station. Just say Alexa play 298 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven thirty. Pretty remarkable to think that President Biden, 299 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: in the course of twenty four hours, spent only four 300 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: of them actually in Kiev. He was on the train 301 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: for the other twenty hours, ten in and ten out. 302 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: And you do wonder with the optical success here, the 303 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: political success of the trip. Is there any chance we 304 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: see a guy named Vladimir show up in Ukraine? We 305 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel Genie Chanzano and Rick Davis with us 306 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Is that a crazy thought Genie show 307 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: up in the Donets region, in an area that he 308 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: considers save for a whole bunch of Russian forces, to 309 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: say that, Hey, I can go to Ukraine too. You know, 310 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: I wish I could say it's crazy when it comes 311 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: to poot and it's probably not a crazy idea, But 312 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: can you imagine if that happened sort of a tip 313 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: for Tata, and that's where we are at this point. 314 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's crazy, but gosh, I hope 315 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: it does not happen dueling speeches today, Rick, Is that 316 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that Vladimir Putin could even trust 317 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: his military with. I certainly wouldn't if I were battl 318 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like, he doesn't even leave the palace. You're right, 319 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: he's worried enough about his own troops. He doesn't have 320 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: to worry about the Ukrainians. When he goes to the front. 321 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: He's got to worry about getting shot from behind, ye, 322 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I can't imagine it even pays 323 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: for him to do that, right, I mean, his whole 324 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: propaganda spiel that we you know heard this week is 325 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: is based on, you know that this Ukrainian horde and 326 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: back by the West are trying to invade Russia. So 327 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he goes to the front, what 328 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: does he say to people, right, because Cannon, they're the 329 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: ones who were in Ukraine. He could walk around topless 330 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: or something, I guess. But the Tiger, Yeah, that's exactly 331 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he you know, he knows how to do 332 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: this type of thing. But to your point, it's probably 333 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: just not possible to secure him even with his own people, 334 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: which is remarkable to consider. Rick the trip as a whole, though, 335 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: are you calling a success? It was mapped out over 336 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: the course of months, and it was pulled off with 337 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: some real precision. Most Americans woke up to these images 338 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden walking through the square with President Zolenski. Yeah, 339 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: this is what the American public wants to see a 340 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: president do. Right, be a world leader, show that the 341 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: United States is relevant in capitals around the world. Give 342 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: a clear message to the American people and to the 343 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: rest of the world of our intentions. And I think 344 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: that from certainly a domestic consumption, it was terrific. Right, 345 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: And as Ambassador of Volker said in the comments, there 346 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: are things this administration can be doing better, but in 347 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: this case, the optics of blocking and tackling against the 348 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: Putin propaganda they did very well. And they showed during 349 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: the Munich Security Forum, which happened right as the President 350 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: was traveling through Ukraine to visit Zelenski. Was just another 351 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: example of a a rally of US opinion makers, senators, congressmen, 352 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: cabinet officials all in lockstep with their European counterparts about 353 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: what needs to be done to support Ukraine. So yeah, 354 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: you don't get many weeks like this in this White House. 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: They're used to dealing with one disaster after another. But 356 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I'd say they kept on message, they executed flawlessly and 357 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: at least as far as we could see, and that 358 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: is what I think the American public will give him 359 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: credit for and maybe even help with some of his 360 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: competency numbers, because to pull off a trip like this 361 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: is not easy. And I'd say, you know, the new 362 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: Chief of Staff Science is going to get some out 363 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: of boys on this, regardless of whether or not he 364 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: was particularly involved. It is a sea change in the 365 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: opinion of what the White House has been able to accomplish. Well, 366 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: anything that this president does, or any president does, Genie 367 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: will be criticized, and Joe Biden is getting criticism for 368 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: just for going from some Republicans, including Donald Trump, and 369 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: from some officials in Ohio. I don't know if you've 370 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: heard about this, but there, I mean, there's been a 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: little bit of a chorus on Twitter that he cares 372 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: more is the message about Ukraine than he does people 373 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: in his own country. Listen, listen to the mayor of 374 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: East Palestine. He's talking on Fox about hearing about Joe 375 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: Biden showing up in Ukraine. This is Mayor Trent Conway, 376 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: who you've probably seen if you've watched any stories or 377 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: seen images of the story, you know he's the mayor. 378 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: He's been the face of this thing, a bearded man 379 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: who was very upset to hear the news. Listen. Absolutely, 380 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: that was the biggest slap in the face. That tells 381 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: you right now he doesn't care about us, so he 382 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: can send every agency he wants to. But I found 383 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: that out this morning and one of the briefings that 384 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: he was in the Ukraine given millions of dollars away 385 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: to people over there and not to Ustin. I'm curious country. Yeah, 386 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: President's day in our country. He's he's over in Ukraine. 387 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: So that tells you what kind of guy he is. Well, 388 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people do think they know what kind 389 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: of guy he is because of the trip, and they're 390 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: not thinking it the same way as Mayor Trent Conway. Jenie, 391 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: is this just like part for the course of being 392 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: in politics or something that this president needs to consider? 393 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: They do need to consider it. And you know, this 394 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: is why he has a cabinet, and this is why 395 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Judge, amongst others, has been criticized for waiting 396 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: ten days to publicly talk about the trained derailment. You know, 397 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the president should be allowed to be, you know, overseas 398 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: doing the work of our foreign policy and also addressing 399 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: domestic issues. He is one person. He can't be in 400 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: two places at once, but he has a team of 401 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: people that can be there, and so he does need 402 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: to think about this. But this chorus, we are hearing 403 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: from people, you know, accepting the mayor. We are hearing 404 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: from people like Andy Biggs, Marjorie Taylor Green and others, 405 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: and that is you know, speaking to the far right 406 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: MAGA wing of the Republican Party. By and large, Republicans 407 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: have supported the president is doing over in the Ukraine. 408 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: He got very high marks for a very difficult trip. 409 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: He will come home and he will have to address 410 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: these and other domestic issues which American people care about. 411 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: And he's the one who has to make the case 412 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: why it matters what happens in the Ukraine. That is 413 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: on him and his administration. And this trip helped him 414 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: do that, but he's got to come home and show 415 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: he could do two things at once. How does the 416 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: president answer criticism like that, Rick, or should he look? 417 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he would directly address that. I think 418 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: he will look for opportunities to do something symbolic, either 419 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, going there or doing something out of the 420 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: Oval Office that supports the cause that they have. But 421 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, the jury's kind of out 422 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: on what is happening there, right, I mean, you've got 423 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: all these experts finding little to know toxicity in the 424 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: air and the land in the water, and yet you've 425 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: got residents there who are obviously under a lot of stress, 426 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: and so, uh, the last thing you would want the 427 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: president to do is get in the middle of that 428 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: and actually not know what to say, right, I mean, 429 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, is he gonna undermine the work of the 430 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: EPA and the CDC and you know, the regulatory agencies 431 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: that are there trying to determine what is it that's 432 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: going on? Or is he going to look uncarring to 433 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: the people of East Palastine by um signing with the government. 434 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: So I think he needs to have actually some clarity 435 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: around the situation before you throw him in the middle 436 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: of it. The thing is, if it's not this, it's 437 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: something else. We heard a similar refrain about that that 438 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: he would go to uh to Poland before he goes 439 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: to the border. You know that there's there's typically something 440 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: out there to illustrate the argument that he cares more 441 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: about Ukraine for some reason than he does Americans. Rick. Yeah, look, 442 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the prison took a long time 443 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: to go to the border, and there's obviously a massive 444 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: crisis that has been occurring there since his presidency. So 445 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: you've got to prioritize these things, and and and and 446 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: and and or be willing to take the heat. Yeah, 447 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: I think in this one, uh, you know, they're strike, 448 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: They're probably gonna take a look at this, say, okay, 449 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, we got a mayor who's mad at us, 450 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: and you know, we got to do it as much 451 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: as we can for those people, both economically and physically 452 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: and and and and from what I can tell, the 453 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: government is pouring resources into there um and so the 454 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: cost per person in East Palestine's going to be chalked 455 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: up to being pretty high. But at the end of 456 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: the day, until you solve the problem, you're still under scrutiny, 457 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: but it's a priority setting exercise, and and and you 458 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: pay the price because you cannot replicate the president's time 459 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: anywhere but in one location. And I would say, if 460 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: you look at the importance that this week has been 461 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: to a huge struggle against a tyrant in um in 462 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: In in the Kremlin, Uh, I think he was well 463 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: spent doing what he did. And I don't think anybody 464 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: in this administration is going to look over their shoulder 465 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: as to whether or not they should have been an 466 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: East Palestine. Well, they seem a little tough to be comparing, 467 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But listen the Mayor Trent 468 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: Conway again, he came off the horse a bit today 469 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: at a news conference that was being held with the 470 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: governors of Pennsylvania and Ohio. He says that the president 471 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: actually is welcome in East Palestine. He is more welcome 472 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: to come if he wants to come. I was very 473 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: frustrated last night. If you're talking about the comments I 474 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: made last night, I was very frustrated, and you know, 475 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: I stand by those comments. But yeah, if he wants 476 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: to come, he's welcome. Jeanie who got to him, Well, 477 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think he realizes that he is rightly frustrated. 478 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: The people that he represents are frustrated. But I give 479 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: him credit for coming out and saying that he understands 480 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: that the frustration led him to say these things. He 481 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: stands by him. But he would welcome the president, and 482 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: of course they would welcome the president. But that said, 483 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, you just made the right point, Joe. It's 484 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: comparing apples and oranges. The President does need to address 485 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: what is going on in Ukraine, and he can do 486 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: that while the administration also tends to a serious issue 487 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: for the people who were hurt by this train derailment 488 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: and continue to be victimized by this. But again, he 489 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: has cabinet officials and Secretary Buddha Judge is the one 490 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: on the front lines of this and he is trying 491 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: to step up now, but he's been called out for 492 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: being a bit late on that. That's where the focus 493 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: should be. You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 494 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: Catch us live weekdays at five Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, 495 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, and the Bloomberg Business ABEM. 496 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: We're listen on demand wherever you get your podcast. Section 497 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: two thirty at Last gets its day in court, well 498 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: sort of, with two cases, one today another tomorrow, So 499 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: two days in court before the Supreme Court involving the 500 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: liability of Internet companies when it comes to third party content. 501 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: We've talked about Section two thirty. It's a big topic 502 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: on talk radio and on cable news and before the 503 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. There's a case today involving Google, tomorrow involving Twitter. 504 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: A couple of headlines on the terminal here will help 505 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: you understand, help to illustrate what you need to know 506 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: about today. Supreme Court wary about lawsuits against internet companies. 507 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: The Justices are concerned here about unleashing a deluge of lawsuits. 508 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: As Greg Store writes on the terminal, the Court hearing 509 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: its first of two cases on the legal shield known 510 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: as Section two thirty. Here's another headline. Justice is confused 511 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: by lawyer's argument on online legal shield. Indeed, Justice Clarence 512 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: Thomas helped to illustrate that as he addressed a lawyer 513 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: for the family of what was the only American killed 514 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: in the terror attacks in Paris in twenty fifteen. That's 515 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: the case. The family wants permission to sue YouTube parent 516 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: Google for what they say is helping to spread ISIS 517 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: propaganda videos and allegedly radicalize the terrorists who gunned down 518 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: their daughter. It's a little bit of a long walk, 519 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: but that is the association. Listen to Justice Thomas. I 520 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: don't understand how a neutral's suggestion about something that you've 521 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: expressed an interest in as aiding and a betting. I 522 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: just I don't understand it. Remembering that that's the way 523 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: this works, right when you go on YouTube, you go 524 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: to Google, you search stuff that you see related videos. 525 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: You go to search something on YouTube again, you see 526 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: related content. Maybe it's a hobby of yours, maybe it's 527 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: a topic that you're researching. Listen to Justice Thomas one 528 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: more time. I'm trying to get you to explain to 529 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: us how something that is standard on YouTube for virtually 530 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: anything that you have an interest in suddenly amounts to 531 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: aiding and a betting because you're in the ISIS category. 532 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: Let's bring in Greg's Store for some help on this 533 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: and a bit of translation that he's always so good 534 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg Supreme Court Reporter Greg Store, welcome back here. 535 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Am I doing okay? For starters? Because some see this 536 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: as a as kind of a vague connection between the 537 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: murder of an American in Paris in Section two thirty. Yeah, 538 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, it is a confusing case and a lot 539 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: of respects, and certainly there was some of that evidence 540 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: in the courtroom today. His justices, especially with the lawyer 541 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: for the family, repeatedly said they were confused by it. 542 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Let me try to break it down this way. What 543 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: you just said there, Joe, about the connection between social 544 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: media and this this terrorist attack, and suggesting that maybe 545 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the connection is too terror is too tenuous. That is 546 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: more of an issue that they're supposed to get into 547 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: in tomorrow's case. The case that they heard today was, 548 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, even if the connection kind of even if 549 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: that connection was clear enough, is this shield that Congress 550 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: created in nineteen ninety six going to keep social media 551 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: companies from being sued anyway? Today? As I mentioned, it's Google, 552 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: tomorrow it's Twitter. How how will that case be different 553 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: from what we were today. So tomorrow's case is not 554 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: formally about Section two thirty. It will certainly be in 555 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: the background. I'm sure it will come up that case. 556 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: You know, the claims of US two different terror risk 557 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: attacks that are an issue in the case. But essentially 558 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: the claims are basically the same, which is under a 559 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: law known as the Anti Terrorist Act. The families say 560 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: the social media companies didn't do enough to keep terrors 561 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: videos from being spread around and seen on their platforms, 562 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: and the case tomorrow will focus more on that law, 563 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: the Anti Terrorist Act, and less on this big broad 564 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: shield of Section two thirty, which the justices today suggested 565 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: they were pretty wary of of of carving much of 566 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: a whole end because it internet companies. Tech companies really 567 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: credit section two thirty for the growth of the modern Internet. 568 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: So how would this effect potentially then section two thirty 569 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: if you put these two days together, I mean, will 570 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: the ruling directly affects Section two thirty or would that 571 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: prompt some further action maybe by Congress based on what 572 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: they hear from the Supreme Court. Yeah, it might be 573 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: more the latter. So the way I think of these 574 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: two cases is the social media companies just need to 575 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: win one of the two of them in order to 576 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: win the cases that are before the Supreme Court. They 577 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: don't have to win both of them. Now, they would 578 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: like a big ruling on Section two thirty. They want 579 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: to reinforce that shield, which basically says, so basically, Section 580 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: two thirty says, you can't be sued for third party content. 581 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: It's if all you're doing is is hosting this platform 582 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and somebody posts something that's defamatory or you know, hate 583 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: speech that leads to something bad happening, you're not responsible 584 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: for that. And kind of the question in the in 585 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: the section two thirty case before the court is well, 586 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: how about up the social media companies are actively recommending Hey, 587 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: look at this post. Social media please say that's not 588 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: really what we're doing. They want a bigger, broader ruling 589 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: because they want to shield from those claims that they 590 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: are recommending things online. It's possible, however, that the Court 591 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: won't actually give them that and'll give them much something 592 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: much narrower, just focused on terrorism. You expect a ruling 593 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: by late June. Is that right? Yeah, this feels like 594 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: one that's going to be near the end of the 595 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: court's term, which which is usually at the end of 596 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: the year. Wait, great, great help as always, Greg Store, 597 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter. And we'll 598 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: play it to the panel here, Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano. 599 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about Section two thirty Before never thought it 600 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: would be necessarily before the Supreme Court in this case. 601 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: We thought maybe new rules of the road would be written. 602 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: Is that how this is going to end anyway? Rick 603 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: and companies might have to cough up the algorithm or 604 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: something that we're not seeing now. Yeah, I think that 605 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: if the Supreme Court has enough interest in it to 606 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: take it up. You know, Congress is already itching to 607 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: try and figure out what their piece of this pie is, 608 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: and that is the problem for Congress, right everyone has 609 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: a sort of different take on it. There's no question 610 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: there's unanimity around Republicans and Democrats wanting to get their 611 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: ounce of flesh from the big tech companies, but there's 612 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: not that much consensus around how you actually extract that. 613 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: In Section two thirty is I think the holy grail 614 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: for Congress. There's a lot of interest in meddling with that, 615 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of fear that if you 616 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: don't do it right, it could really dramatically affect a 617 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: huge portion of our economy. So that fear is what 618 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: has kept anything from happening today. I'm not sure that's 619 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: going to last over time. Even Clarence Thomas Genie who 620 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: has said previously he thinks it's time to revisit two thirty. 621 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: Question today, at least in today and tomorrow could be 622 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: different based on the nuances of these two cases. Whether 623 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: it makes sense to hold YouTube accountable for its algorithms 624 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: even though the company applied them neutrally to all kinds 625 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: of videos. And that was the point here, as he 626 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: asked you heard him a minute ago. I mean, obviously 627 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: isis is horrible, But what about the fact that it's 628 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: isis make this case different? Yeah, that's right. And you know, 629 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: one of the reluctances we see on the part of 630 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: the court, particularly and not exclusively on the conservative side 631 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: is Congress was pretty clear when it enacted to thirty. 632 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: If it's going to be changed. The question, in my 633 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: mind at least is the court we want to change 634 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: it or a Congress. This is the role of Congress. 635 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: They need to change the law. And as you were 636 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: just talking about, this is nineteen ninety six. The economic 637 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: model these companies were using has changed dramatically, as has 638 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: everything else about the Internet. So it's Congress who cannot 639 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: drop the ball here. So I think that's a big 640 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: part of what the Court is going to do, and 641 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: I agree completely with Greg that it's probably going to 642 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: be a more, if anything, a more narrow focus on 643 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: the terrorist and portion of this and not a large 644 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: attack on two thirds. What were you doing that, ask 645 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: Jeeves or alta vista Genie. I was asked Jeeves, Jeeves 646 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: was more fun listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 647 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: Catch us live weekdays at five Eastern on Bloomberg dot Com, 648 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app and the Bloomberg Business Appen. 649 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: We're listen on demand wherever you get your podcast. I'm Joe, 650 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington back off the Long Weekend with our 651 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: signature panel, Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano. As Donald Trump 652 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: gets back out there, held an event over the weekend 653 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: in Florida, and as he's watching Joe Biden make his 654 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: way to Poland and even show up in Kiev, he 655 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: says the president has it all wrong, that the war 656 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: never would have happened if he had been president, and 657 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: as you'll hear now, he could fix this thing within hours. Listen, 658 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: it would have never happened. Now with that being said, 659 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: it did happen. I believe I could settle that thing 660 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. I think I could. I really do, 661 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: I really do twenty four hours and continuing to pour 662 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: money in is delaying everything. It's delaying a lot of settlement. 663 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: It's a lot of things, but it's also getting a 664 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: lot of people killed, because every day that that goes on, 665 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: more and more people are getting killed, more and more 666 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: of some of those incredible buildings with the domes that 667 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: are a thousand years old, they're just laying down dead 668 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: right now. The whole cities are being done. Almost every 669 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: single power plant in Ukraine has been destroyed because Russia 670 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: wins wars with the cold. They beat Napoleon with the cold. 671 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: They beat Hitler with the coal. That's how they win, 672 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: and that's what they're doing now. They're knocking out all 673 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: the power plants and people are freezing to death, and 674 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: it's a very bad thing. I could settle that in 675 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: one day. As president. You need the power of that office, 676 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: but you need to have steckel. You need to have 677 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: a way of dealing. You can't do that just by 678 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 1: standing and saying we're going to get it. Look, people 679 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: are dying. The country is being obliterated. So you just 680 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: heard the other side of this whole story. We started 681 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: the hour, of course, with the President of the United 682 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: States in Poland following the visit to Ukraine. If we're 683 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: going to have a rematch here in twenty twenty fourth, 684 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: that's what you're going to be hearing on the other 685 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: side of the argument. With final thoughts from our panel, 686 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano. Rick and Donald Trump continue 687 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: that argument and still get elected. Well, I think Donald 688 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: Trump has fundamental issues with getting elected to begin with, 689 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: and this argument isn't helping him, both within the Republican 690 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: Party but also within the general electorate. You know, he 691 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: is really representing the sort of Putin wing of the 692 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: Republican Party right now, and it is a small and 693 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: out of touch group of people. And so I'm not 694 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: really sure He's always been this way, even when he 695 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: was president United States. He loves to cuddle up to 696 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: the dictators of the world, and in this case, he 697 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: hasn't changed his tune at all when it comes to 698 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: flattering Vladimir Putin, the idea that you know, Putin is 699 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: winning this war. He may be the only one on 700 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: the face of the earth who actually believe that even 701 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: Putin doesn't believe that. Wow, listen to him with regard 702 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: to twenty four here Jennie and his most recent attack 703 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: on the governor of Florida. You know, Ronda Sanctimonius head 704 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: the crowd and Staten Island today, one hundred and thirty 705 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: nine people in Sana. We got a lot of people. 706 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: We have one hundred and thirty nine times about thirty. 707 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: We got a lot of people here. But I always 708 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: say hit your enemy a little bit early. Some people 709 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: say don't, but I say do, okay, So it's coming 710 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: down to crowd size again, Jeannie. He's clearly hearing from 711 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: Republicans right to make a reference like that. You know, 712 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to hit him early. He's hearing from Republicans 713 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: who say, lay off the da sanctimonious and whatever you're doing. 714 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: In Nikki Haley, he is clearly threatened by Ronda Santis. 715 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: That's what's going on here, because I don't want you 716 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: doing this. Joe Matthew, I watch his truth social and 717 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: one am rants about you know, Ronda Sanctimonious being Jeb 718 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: Bush being his hero, and he's no longer using meatball 719 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: Ron but shut down Ron and Ron de Sanctimonious his 720 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: back I mean, you can see the fear just oozing 721 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: out of him, how threatened he feels by the governor 722 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: of Glorida. We're getting a preview here. Never mind Freeview 723 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is on. We just need to make 724 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: an official on Joe Biden's side here and get on 725 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: with things. Rick Davis, Jeannie Shenzano, Thanks as ever our 726 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: signature panel, I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington will meet you 727 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: back here tomorrow on the fastest hour in politics. It's 728 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: called sound On. This is Bloomberg