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Speaker 1: Here we go on a Friday. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: good one. We are ready to roll blazing five in

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Speaker 1: one hour. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however

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Speaker 1: you may be listening, we always thank you for making

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Speaker 1: us whatever platform, it is part of your day. I

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Speaker 1: am you know, j Mac. Sometimes you're watching history and

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Speaker 1: you understand it. I remember being a kid and watching

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Speaker 1: Hank Aaron break Babe Bruce record with a home run

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta. And other times you're watching

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Speaker 1: history and you're not necessarily aware of it because it's

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Speaker 1: not just statistics. You are watching something that really we've

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Speaker 1: maybe never seen. And I felt that watching Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: last night, and that's where I'm going to start the

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Speaker 1: show today. So if you didn't watch last night's game.

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Speaker 1: The easiest way I would describe it is the team

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Speaker 1: with the less talented quarterback that makes more mistakes lost

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Speaker 1: to the team that has the much more talented quarterback

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Speaker 1: that makes no mistakes. The Bills last night scored thirty

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Speaker 1: one points and had no turnovers, second team in league

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Speaker 1: history to start the season with three straight games thirty

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Speaker 1: plus points, zero turnovers. Josh Allen, through hard work and coaching,

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Speaker 1: has eliminated his only flaw, reckless. And what's remarkable is

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Speaker 1: my entire life. I said this on the air many times.

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Speaker 1: It's the one thing I didn't think coaches could mostly

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Speaker 1: coach you out of because anybody I ever met in

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Speaker 1: high school that was reckless at seventeen, if I saw

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Speaker 1: him again thirty years later, they were reckless at forty seven.

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Speaker 1: I always thought it was a DNA thing. I always

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Speaker 1: thought it was just kind of a personality thing. Reckless

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Speaker 1: And it shows you how humble and also how self

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Speaker 1: aware Josh Allen is. Since the start of last season,

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Speaker 1: forty eight touchdowns with Josh Allen eight giveaways, the Bills

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Speaker 1: have not lost the turnover battle in a season and

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Speaker 1: a half twenty five games. I mean, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: play favorites. Everybody eats nine different guys caught passes. I

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Speaker 1: mean I loved Andrew Luck and we all love Brett Faarr.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't get the reckless out of them. I mean

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Speaker 1: you can't eliminate the interceptions. To have this much talent

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Speaker 1: To have all this horse power and yet be willing

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Speaker 1: This makes absolutely no sense. I mean, the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen came into the league, and he was a

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Speaker 1: They look a little bit more like Philadelphia, don't they.

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Speaker 1: They just kind of squeeze it, squeeze you and squeeze

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Speaker 1: you and eventually win the turnover battle and make two

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Speaker 1: all doing well? What about Jalen Hurts? The Eagles throw

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees is the outlier. Size didn't matter that much.

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Speaker 1: And when they play each other on the same field, yea,

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Speaker 1: again the thing that size matters in all sports. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So there's a reason boxing in UFC have weight categories.

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Speaker 1: So it's nothing against to it. But I think that

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Speaker 1: In Hawaii at Alabama and Miami. I think that interception

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Speaker 4: I thought I was in rhythm and timing of the

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Speaker 4: I think that was really good play by the defender.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be really, really entertaining because neither one

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Speaker 1: And when you let go Micah, I mean, we've seen

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Speaker 1: Bears don't have to win, but I will have a

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Speaker 1: definitive opinion Sunday night if something doesn't happen. Yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: Hey to go back to that Tua interception real quick.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they can roll the footage, but Colin,

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Speaker 1: If you watch the right guard on that play, he.

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Speaker 6: Gets destroyed at the line of scrimmage by ninety six.

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Speaker 6: Tua has zero time at all to analyze anything. He's

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Speaker 6: of course the linebacker read it. I actually, if you

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Speaker 6: watch it, I don't think that plays totally on Tua.

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Speaker 6: I know it's tough to defend him and you want

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Speaker 6: to go to the height, but his offensive line has

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Speaker 6: been terrible every year he's been in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Go look at their rankings according to Pro Football Focus. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He has to have. I don't know that he can.

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Speaker 1: Blazing five Let's blaze it up right it up. It's

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Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler's completing under sixty percent OW eight is a starter.

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Speaker 1: They're traveling cross country. I don't know. I like Seattle

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys have the best third down offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: All right. He does a podcast, The Athletic Football Show,

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Speaker 1: NFL writer at the Athletic as well. But Robert Mays,

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Speaker 1: It is an absolute pleasure to meet you. We both

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Speaker 1: now live in Chicago, a great North American city, a

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Speaker 1: great global city, and the Bears and the Cubs dominate

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Speaker 1: talk radio. There's here's my thing. I made this argument

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Speaker 1: He's a timing instructure coach. I don't know if Caleb

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Speaker 1: What if this weekend against an average cowboy defense, we

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Speaker 5: I was more encouraged by what he did on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I think I was more encouraged by what I saw

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Speaker 8: I think there were a lot of structural issues with

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Speaker 8: So I do think that there's a balance to be

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Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy look like.

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Speaker 8: Then if we get to the back half of the season,

432
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Speaker 8: the offensive line is healthy, the run game is good,

433
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Speaker 8: and those four or five throws you're asking him to

434
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Speaker 8: make are still going awry.

435
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Speaker 5: Then I think we can really get into causes for concern.

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Speaker 1: So when you live in Chicago, you are reminded as

437
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Speaker 1: I take the train that Green Bay's right up the road.

438
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Speaker 1: And I will make the argument that for the last

439
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Speaker 1: thirty years it's the best run organization.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I always looked at lack of ownership as a liability

442
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Speaker 1: for years and years, that the Rams have somebody that

443
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Speaker 1: can go call Stan Kronky and say, I know you're

444
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Speaker 1: on the goalstream on the tarmac. We need Matt Stafford,

445
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Speaker 1: and the owner says, go for it. But as billionaires now,

446
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Speaker 1: as millionaires used to own the league that firing a

447
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: coaching staff forty million dollar checks was a non starter,

448
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: it's not anymore. And so billionaires have become oligarchs have

449
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: become crazier, whether it's the tech guys, whether it's the

450
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Speaker 1: boys club in the NFL. And so the lack of

451
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Speaker 1: an owner actually allows patience that nobody else can have

452
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Speaker 1: in the league. And I look at Green Bay's roster,

453
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Speaker 1: Robert tight end, running back, defensive line. They moved off

454
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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, good player, They're fine. I look at green

455
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Speaker 1: Bay right now, it's almost a flawless team. It reminds

456
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Speaker 1: me of Kansas City with Tyreek, play from behind, play

457
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Speaker 1: with a lead, play aggressively, paying the right people. I've

458
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Speaker 1: said this, I don't think. I don't think anybody right

459
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Speaker 1: now for the next three years is built like green Bay.

460
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Speaker 1: Who gets credit.

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Speaker 8: It's a combination of the coaching staff and the front office.

462
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Speaker 8: I think what you said about the ownership is perfect

463
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Speaker 8: because you want to blend of methodical, patient, responsible decision making,

464
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Speaker 8: but when that moment is there for you to jump

465
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Speaker 8: on something, you still want to be able to do that.

466
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Speaker 8: And that's why the Michael Parsons trade, to me, would

467
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Speaker 8: be so encouraging. FI were a Packers fans like when

468
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Speaker 8: they know that there's something there to be had, they're

469
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Speaker 8: going after it, and so there's a roster strength overall.

470
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Speaker 8: They've been able to build so much depth because of

471
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Speaker 8: how patient they build the roster. But then you look

472
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Speaker 8: at the schematics of it. On both sides of the ball,

473
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Speaker 8: this is an extremely well coached, creative team.

474
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Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley has been a fine.

475
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Speaker 8: I loved him last year because I thought he did

476
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Speaker 8: such a good job of tailoring the defense to his personnel.

477
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Speaker 8: They did not have very good corners last ye. You're

478
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Speaker 8: at least unproven corners. And instead of playing a lot

479
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Speaker 8: of man and a lot of single high like he

480
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 8: used to back at Boston College and with the Niners,

481
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Speaker 8: they played a lot of cover two in order to

482
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Speaker 8: hide some of those players. And I just think that

483
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Speaker 8: shows real awareness, what is my talent and how can

484
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Speaker 8: I get the most out of them.

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Speaker 5: Well, now as the talent.

486
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Speaker 8: Has started to really increase, including Micah persons, those ideas

487
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Speaker 8: being able to deploy those guys in the right ways,

488
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Speaker 8: it's still happening. The players are just better. You canbine

489
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Speaker 8: Micah Persons with real leaps from some of the young

490
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Speaker 8: guys kway Walker, Edriwin Cooper, Keishawn Nixon, who's now in

491
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Speaker 8: his second year as a corner.

492
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Speaker 5: He's getting better.

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Speaker 8: The incremental improvements you've needed from the youngest roster in

494
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Speaker 8: the league has happened. The coaching ideas are still very good,

495
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Speaker 8: and now you're starting to develop superstar level players.

496
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Speaker 5: When all those three.

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Speaker 8: Things are coming together at the same time, you're getting

498
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Speaker 8: the twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five packers so far, so al Michaels threw a little

500
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Speaker 1: shade at the Eagles last night, saying not all great

501
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: teams are fun to watch, and everybody summarily knew what

502
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Speaker 1: he was talking about. Whereas the Bills are, I think

503
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Speaker 1: America is kind of rooting for the Buffalo Bills to

504
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: and I know emotionally I'm not supposed to root, but

505
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of am. Philadelphia is fascinating. I like the Rams

506
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: this weekend. I think Jared version that defensive front is

507
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: a problem. I think the last half of last year,

508
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: post Thanksgiving out, I thought it was the most improved defense.

509
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Really fast, young players when they get hurt, recover more quickly.

510
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: It's the Packers offense. Is the Rams defense not paid

511
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: proven getting better? Philadelphia is an anomaly. They decided after

512
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Speaker 1: the bye last year, we're not gonna throw anymore, especially downfield.

513
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Speaker 1: Is it sustainable. It doesn't feel like it's built to

514
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: play from behind. It's just wild. In a pass first league,

515
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: they don't throw it downfield. I mean, don't you think

516
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Speaker 1: over the course of five weeks, seven weeks, nine weeks,

517
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Speaker 1: that will be a liability?

518
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Eventually you have to be able to do a

519
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 8: little bit of everything, and it especially becomes a problem

520
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Speaker 8: when the run game is no longer as dynamic as

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Speaker 8: it was last year. And you're already seeing that, And

522
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Speaker 8: Saiquon's averaging less than four yards of care easy, yes,

523
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Speaker 8: and the down to down efficiency he's below average right

524
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Speaker 8: now compared to running backs around the league.

525
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Speaker 5: Wow.

526
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Speaker 8: And I think a lot of that is you're seeing

527
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Speaker 8: offensive line changes for them. The right guard, Tyler Stein

528
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Speaker 8: takes over from Akai Beeck.

529
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Speaker 5: In this year. He's had his issues.

530
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Speaker 8: Landon dickersonate left guard clearly has not been healthy over

531
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Speaker 8: it for a couple of weeks. And the tight ends

532
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 8: on this team are not strong run blockers, and I

533
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 8: think they've really run into some issues there as well.

534
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 8: So if you're going to be a team that doesn't

535
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 8: want to throw the ball down the field, you better

536
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Speaker 8: be the most explosive, dynamic running team in the league.

537
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Speaker 8: And through the first couple of weeks, they just really

538
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Speaker 8: haven't been that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The sticking with Los Angeles, I said this yesterday. Everybody

541
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Speaker 1: thought it was hyperbolic, and I said, folks, if the

542
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Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame was the basketball Hall of Fame,

543
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: where like a Globe trotter and an official can make

544
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: but football. Atlanta's got the College Hall of Fame, Campton's

545
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: got the Pro But like basketball, if you combine them,

546
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Speaker 1: I could argue Jim Harball is the best coach ever.

547
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Speaker 1: He has taken five car recks except Stanford because and

548
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: there's some academic reasons why he was great. The next year,

549
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: all of them he leaves. They're all at has Matt

550
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: spill instantly. So it's not that you lose a good coach.

551
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy Johnson's a great coach to me, one

552
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Speaker 1: of the five best ever. He leaves, he built up

553
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Speaker 1: good personnel. The next coach comes in takes Jimmy's players.

554
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Speaker 1: He's always a great personnel guy as a coach, and

555
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Speaker 1: they win. Jim leaves its man overboard. I find him

556
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Speaker 1: to be a remarkable guy. He's much more happier now

557
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: when you do at the athletic Robert. When you talk

558
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Speaker 1: about the Chargers and you talk about what he took over,

559
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Speaker 1: Herbert's even better. How do people view him? I don't

560
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Speaker 1: think he was likable seven or eight years ago, even

561
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Speaker 1: by Michigan people. He was driving the ad crazy. How

562
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Speaker 1: do people view Harball in the league.

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Speaker 5: He's a force multiplayer.

564
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Speaker 8: He is able to get the most out of whatever

565
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Speaker 8: the roster talent looks like. And I think that you've

566
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Speaker 8: seen that consistently, and it's hard to know what the

567
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Speaker 8: secret sauce of that exactly is.

568
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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: I went there last year and I spent.

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Speaker 8: Two days in the locker room talking to guys because

571
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Speaker 8: I was curious about this exact question, and the answers

572
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Speaker 8: are kind of all over the place too, that stick

573
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Speaker 8: with me. I asked Derwin James, I was like, what

574
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Speaker 8: is culture to you in the NFL? And he said,

575
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Speaker 8: culture to me is when you look at the logo.

576
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Speaker 5: What do you see?

577
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Speaker 2: What is that to you?

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Speaker 8: Derwin James said that to me, that's really smart and

579
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Speaker 8: I thought that that was such astute point. And I

580
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Speaker 8: think with the Chargers now you're starting to feel a

581
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Speaker 8: certain identity when you watch them play.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting.

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Speaker 8: And then Dyon Henley told me a story about how

584
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Speaker 8: they would go through even in OTAs, and every single

585
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Speaker 8: player associated with the organization, coaches, players got up and

586
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Speaker 8: they said, why are you here right? What brings you here?

587
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Speaker 8: Why do you want to be good? Why do you

588
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Speaker 8: want to be great? Why do you want to be successful?

589
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Speaker 8: And every person gave their answer in front of the

590
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Speaker 8: entire team, And so I think that there's just a

591
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Speaker 8: real conscious how do I build connective tissue in this building?

592
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Speaker 8: How do I make people feel invested? How do I

593
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Speaker 8: get the best out of them? And the best example

594
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Speaker 8: of this to me is what Justin Herbert is played like,

595
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Speaker 8: because when Justin Herbert played for Joe Lombardi in that

596
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Speaker 8: old offense, it always felt like he was a little tight,

597
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 8: yes right, and there was just a roboticism to him

598
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 8: and there wasn't a looseness.

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Speaker 5: To the way that he played.

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Speaker 8: And you watch him the last couple of years when

601
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Speaker 8: he wasn't hurt last year, and then the first couple

602
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Speaker 8: weeks of this season, there's an aggressiveness. He's willing to run,

603
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Speaker 8: like Jim Harbaugh going up to him before the games

604
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 8: and shaking his shoulders so funny and gassing him up.

605
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 8: That may seem silly, but I actually do think that

606
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Speaker 8: there's a purpose and a motivation behind that to get

607
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Speaker 8: him to play.

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Speaker 5: I've always joked about it. I wish Justin was ten

609
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Speaker 5: percent dumber, and.

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Speaker 8: I honestly think he has played the last year and

611
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Speaker 8: a half like he's ten percent dumber, and it's been

612
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Speaker 8: to his benefit.

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Speaker 5: I think Jim's a big reason for that.

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Speaker 1: So we were saying that when I always think it's

615
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: funny with Brady. The minute Mahomes comes into the league,

616
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Speaker 1: people never wanted to love Brady because he was efficient

617
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: and it was pre snap I mean Aaron Rodgers for years.

618
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Speaker 1: Aaron's better than Tom. I mean Tom wins, but it's Belichick.

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Speaker 1: And then the minute Mahomes gets good, it's like, list

620
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Speaker 1: the system guy. Mahomes is the and I'm like, okay, whatever.

621
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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Tampa and wins, and that quiets down.

622
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the world right now,

623
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Speaker 1: and I know, and so I'm gonna do this. And

624
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: Patrick's a wonderful guy. But I've watched the last two

625
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: years in the history of quarterbacks, Luck Elway, Peyton, if

626
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Speaker 1: you have massive horsepower farv, you throw picks, like if

627
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: you can throw one oh one, you throw one oh one.

628
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: You don't throw the knuckler. Josh Allen has had about

629
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Speaker 1: a year. Here's an amazing stack. The Bills have not

630
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: lost the turnover battle in twenty five games, and they

631
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Speaker 1: have a v twelve for an engine. I find what

632
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Speaker 1: we're watching. It's not validated through statistical precision like Hank

633
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Aaron surpassing Ruth. But in terms of we're watching history,

634
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: this horse power and no turnovers, Robert doesn't make sense.

635
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: Andrew luck was brilliant. He couldn't get the reckless out.

636
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Eli Manning brilliant, couldn't get the reckless out. I'm watching.

637
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Speaker 1: I'm watching this and I'm like, they're gonna win a

638
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: super Bowl. They make no mistakes, they never turn it over.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm sure you have this

640
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: encyclopedic knowledge of it, but I don't think he has a.

641
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Speaker 5: Flaw right now, absolutely not.

642
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Speaker 8: I don't know what it would be because the turnover

643
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 8: is absolutely part of the decision making. Was part of it, yes,

644
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Speaker 8: and now even you've seen it happen in stages, and

645
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Speaker 8: so two years ago, in twenty twenty three, I thought

646
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Speaker 8: he actually had a quiet case to be the MVP,

647
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Speaker 8: even if the team's success wasn't there. He threw more

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Speaker 8: down with the amount of sacks he was taking.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't get sacked, and two years in a row.

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Speaker 8: The sack avoidance is incredible, and I think part of

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Speaker 8: that is the offensive line. Part of that is his elusiveness.

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Speaker 8: But where he's really made the most progress to me,

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Speaker 8: outside of the accuracy, which that's undeniable. So much work

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Speaker 8: has been done about how he worked on his mechanics and.

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Speaker 5: Been that story's been told.

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Speaker 8: I think a story that's been less told is that

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Speaker 8: he has become pre snap one of the best quarterbacks

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Speaker 8: in the league.

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Speaker 5: I think it's him and Mahomes.

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Speaker 8: The Bills do such a great job, very subtly offering

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Speaker 8: him information before the play. We're going to nudge the

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Speaker 8: running back out in motion just a little bit so

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Speaker 8: you get half a step from the linebacker to know

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Speaker 8: whether he's coming.

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Speaker 5: And he's so smart.

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Speaker 8: That when you combine it with his athleticism and the

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Speaker 8: offensive line talent, he's not going to get sacked because

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Speaker 8: he has the answers to the test.

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Speaker 5: Before it even starts.

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Speaker 8: So you combine the mental horsepower with the physical horsepower

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Speaker 8: that we're seeing, and that has led to the Josh

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Speaker 8: Allen that you're watching.

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Speaker 1: Right now if you're listening on our radio network four

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Speaker 1: hundred plus affiliates. His name is Robert Mays, writer at

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Speaker 1: The Athletic has the Athletic Football Show podcast. Obviously this

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Speaker 1: is just great information. I love this though. One of

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Speaker 1: the great advantages that you get to travel around and

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Speaker 1: go to locker rooms, and I will say, I just

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Speaker 1: hearing all this stuff is so much fun. So finally,

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Speaker 1: let's pivot back to Bears Cowboys. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a shootout. I think it's wild. I think it's incredibly fun.

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Speaker 1: I do. I think Caleb gives me more precision past

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Speaker 1: the first drive. Dak Prescott, I cannot believe how good

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Speaker 1: he is. After a second sero, I literally cannot believe

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Speaker 1: how good he is. I'm gonna put you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: What is the game? I'm not a winner. What does

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Speaker 1: the game look like? These are not great defenses.

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Speaker 5: I think it looks like a shootout.

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Speaker 8: I think it looks like a lot of points because

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys offense is rolling. As somebody who's always believed

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Speaker 8: in Dak Prescott, the last two weeks have been a dream,

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Speaker 8: not just because of his play, but when I was

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Speaker 8: frustrated with the Dallas offense over the last few years,

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Speaker 8: it always just felt very static to me.

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Speaker 5: It was very spread out.

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Speaker 8: It was a very shotgun and you just can't play

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Speaker 8: that way unless you have truly elite dominant perimeter receivers.

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Speaker 8: And I'm not talking about just ceedee lamp. The two

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Speaker 8: teams that could get away play that way the Bengals

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Speaker 8: and the Eagles because you got those two guys and

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Speaker 8: you just have horses on the outside. The Cowboys never

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Speaker 8: had that, and so I always wanted to field is

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Speaker 8: to tick more dynamic, just league average play action rate,

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Speaker 8: league average motion rate, and get him one more weapon.

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Speaker 8: All of that has happened. Yeah, every single one of

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Speaker 8: those things has lined up. And now the Dak Prescott

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Speaker 8: that always existed, the one that's aggressive, that processes really well,

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Speaker 8: you're still seeing that guy, but everything else around him

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Speaker 8: has led to a more explosive offense. And so I

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Speaker 8: think that is here to stay for the most part,

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Speaker 8: as long as Dallas stays healthy this year. And I

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Speaker 8: think the Dallas defense is going to be a problem

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Speaker 8: over the course of the year, and so those games

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Speaker 8: are going to include a lot of points.

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Speaker 5: I think this Sunday is one of them.

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Speaker 1: I think history is going to be very kind to

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is that he has had three coaches, none

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Speaker 1: of whom were wildly popular with the critics or the fans.

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Speaker 1: And every year with Dack you basically get a ninety

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Speaker 1: eight passer rating, thirty touchdowns, ten picks, sixty seven percent

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Speaker 1: completion percentage, unbelievable. In tangibles leadership, he went through the

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Speaker 1: pandemic BLM, you know in the state of Texas that

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Speaker 1: was controversial. It is I said, I was never like

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Speaker 1: a huge Dak fan, but it's almost like a band

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Speaker 1: that you got as they age. You're like, or you know,

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Speaker 1: Robert Redford. I grew up with that, so I knew

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Speaker 1: all the president's men. But sometimes you'll go and when

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Speaker 1: a celebrity passes, you go to the YouTube and listen

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Speaker 1: to their music, or you go and look at their

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Speaker 1: IDM is IBM page or IDMB page, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of good movies. I look at

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott now and I'm like, Brian Schottenneimer, Jason Garrett,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. He's going to get Hall of Fame votes.

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Speaker 1: He is going to get Hall of Fame votes, is

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Speaker 1: he not.

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Speaker 8: I think he probably deserves it if he has five

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Speaker 8: more seasons like the one that we're watching right now,

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Speaker 8: or like the twenty twenty three season.

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Speaker 5: Comparing it to the music thing to me, like.

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Speaker 8: Dak is like Food Fighters, Right, It's just this band

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Speaker 8: that you never thought was the best band, but they've

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Speaker 8: been doing it for so long at a pretty good clip.

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Speaker 8: And Dave Grohl did it with Neirvana, he did it

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Speaker 8: with Food Fighters. He can do it in different situations

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Speaker 8: like Dak has been that. You're never going to say

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Speaker 8: Dak Prescott is the best quarterback in the world, the

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Speaker 8: same way you're never going to say that Dave Groll

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Speaker 8: is the best rock star in the world. But there

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Speaker 8: is a consistency in the legitimacy for so long that

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Speaker 8: you really can't deny it.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was good with analogies. Foo Fighters crushed.

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Speaker 5: That's the best.

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Speaker 1: That's the best connectivity I've ever heard on the show.

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Speaker 1: What a pleasure. Robert Mays lives in Chicago. Check him

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Speaker 1: out at the Athletic, which is absolutely worth every penny.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to meet you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me