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Speaker 2: Okay, girl, this about to be long. Okay.
Speaker 3: So I met this guy when I was twelve years old,
Speaker 3: so blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: We got in trouble together. You know how that.
Speaker 3: First love type stuff goes. So at sixteen, I had
Speaker 3: a baby. Seventeen, I got pregnant seven seen, my mom
Speaker 3: kicked me out of the house. We wound up leaving
Speaker 3: the area that we lived in and moved like three
Speaker 3: or four hours away.
Speaker 2: I was homeless. He went to jail for domestic violence.
Speaker 2: I didn't have anywhere to go. So then I wound
Speaker 2: up getting back with him. I wound up getting my
Speaker 2: own place when I was eighteen.
Speaker 3: All of the story, and he was very abusive the
Speaker 3: whole entire relationship.
Speaker 2: And then he wound up trapping me with five kids.
Speaker 3: I know, people don't really talk about that, how men
Speaker 3: trapped females with five kids. But I was so young.
Speaker 3: I was in the town where I really didn't know anybody.
Speaker 3: He had the homecourt advantage because we were in the
Speaker 3: town that his family was from. So yeah, he wound
Speaker 3: up by the time I was twenty four and I had.
Speaker 1: Five kids Jesus Christ honey.
Speaker 2: So then, yeah, I don't know what part I left
Speaker 2: off one. So anyway, by the.
Speaker 3: Time I was twenty four, I had five kids, and
Speaker 3: he wound up going to jail.
Speaker 2: He got sentenced to three years. Boom.
Speaker 3: So he gets out after three years. I'm doing a
Speaker 3: little bit better for myself. I still have the five children,
Speaker 3: but I am doing better.
Speaker 2: So he agrees to take my kids for the summer.
Speaker 3: And I appreciated that because, mind you, I've been knowing
Speaker 3: him since I was twelve years old.
Speaker 2: I thought I could trust him.
Speaker 3: So he takes it.
Speaker 2: He was a good dad. He was very a horrible boyfriend,
Speaker 2: very big so, but he wasn't a bad dad. So
Speaker 2: when he gets out of.
Speaker 3: Jail, he takes his kids for the summer. My daughter,
Speaker 3: and my oldest daughter at the time, was nine years old.
Speaker 3: She came back, and when she came back, she was
Speaker 3: extremely different. So I kept asking her to something happened,
Speaker 3: that something happened, and something happened.
Speaker 2: So more I love the story is he molested her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I could never be with him again after that.
Speaker 2: And now I know this sounds crazy.
Speaker 3: So now my kids are older, they're sixteen, ten, nine, eight,
Speaker 3: and six, so I just really want to I just
Speaker 3: be feeling like I need help. Sometimes it's nobody but myself.
Speaker 3: It's just only me and my children. I don't even
Speaker 3: be knowing what to start at. Some days, I just
Speaker 3: be wanting somebody to pat me on the back and say,
Speaker 3: you know what you're doing, a good job, You're a
Speaker 3: good mother. I do also want a relationship, and it's
Speaker 3: so hard looking for love even friendship, So I just
Speaker 3: want somebody, and it's hard not having anybody. So I
Speaker 3: guess I don't even know if I'm asking a questions
Speaker 3: or if I'm just vincent, because I don't. It's hard
Speaker 3: trying to tell people that because when people will see
Speaker 3: you with five kids.
Speaker 2: They instantly judge you and be like, oh, you have
Speaker 2: all these.
Speaker 3: Kids, you're deadbeat and you're dumb and da da dah,
Speaker 3: and the man do wants you.
Speaker 2: But the whole time, to me, i'm invest than my daughter.
Speaker 3: But it's like a secret that I don't tell anybody,
Speaker 3: and I really don't know what to do. And then
Speaker 3: I do want to be in a relationship, and I
Speaker 3: do want love, but it's hard because I don't really
Speaker 3: trust anybody.
Speaker 2: Because of that.
Speaker 1: Well, that would definitely prompt you to have trust issues
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then it's like, if I do meet a guy,
Speaker 3: do I tell him that, like, hey, yeah, this is why.
Speaker 2: We're not together.
Speaker 3: Some far I've just been telling people he did, because
Speaker 3: I don't really know what else to say.
Speaker 2: It's just hard. Sometimes I wish I had somebody even
Speaker 2: like family.
Speaker 3: I just really want to marry somebody with a big family,
Speaker 3: and I just feel like I don't never happen because
Speaker 3: I got five kids and I love my kids.
Speaker 1: But no, I understand, I totally understand.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where I'm at in this message
Speaker 3: because my kids they say, you're not going to go
Speaker 3: bothering me.
Speaker 2: I never get no time to myself.
Speaker 3: I'm literally clumped up in the bathroom and they steady
Speaker 3: coming to me, bothering me, knocking on the do.
Speaker 2: Well of the story, I'm just looking for love, looking
Speaker 2: for a family, and I don't know how. I don't
Speaker 2: know how to look for friends. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to look for love. I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I just know I'm sad because I feel like I
Speaker 3: have nobody. Some days I just be wanting somebody to
Speaker 3: just give me a hub.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm not about to sit a hen crowd up.
Speaker 3: Because life is life in so just if you have
Speaker 3: any you know, not even advice, it's just some words
Speaker 3: of encouragement that would be great.
Speaker 2: And I really hope you get things. I know you've.
Speaker 3: Probably overwhelmed with messages, and even if you don't get it,
Speaker 3: I guess it felt good just to finally let all
Speaker 3: these things out because I've been holding it in for
Speaker 3: so many years.
Speaker 2: All Right, I don't get that Jessica.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that she addressed me, calling me Jessica.
Speaker 1: A lot of people just call me Jesse hilarious, jess
Speaker 1: with the mask. You know, I do love that, though.
Speaker 1: She also wrote a paragraph after submitting her voice, notice
Speaker 1: that I'm just overwhelmed without a soul. I can't even
Speaker 1: cry because I got to remain strong for my kids.
Speaker 1: But it's hard. Some days I just want to hug
Speaker 1: and it will be okay. It's hard sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: myself being a horrible parent because I can't poor love
Speaker 1: in my kids because I have none to poor man
Speaker 1: If you love me. You'll listen to this commercial and
Speaker 1: then we'll be right back. Well, listen, I'm going to
Speaker 1: start off by saying, I love that you are open
Speaker 1: enough to go into every part of it, you know,
Speaker 1: with me, because you could have very well, you know,
Speaker 1: held back. But as a result of holding back, people
Speaker 1: get depressed. People often turn to drugs and suicide and
Speaker 1: other things like that. What you've gone through is definitely traumatic,
Speaker 1: especially for your baby.
Speaker 2: Girl.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying now. I know that you
Speaker 1: were younger. I do know that you said you met
Speaker 1: him when you were twelve, You got pregnant at seventeen,
Speaker 1: you know, you had your first child at eighteen. If
Speaker 1: I'm remembering right, I think it was sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 1: But you had a baby before you were twenty, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you had five by the time you were
Speaker 1: twenty four. Did you not realize the first time that
Speaker 1: he went to jail for domestic violence? And I'm going
Speaker 1: to assume that it was, you know, a case with you.
Speaker 1: He went to jail for hitting on you, beating on you,
Speaker 1: of course the first time. Why didn't you go the
Speaker 1: first time?
Speaker 2: Baby?
Speaker 1: I know you were young, yess I know no, but
Speaker 1: you are still old enough to realize this is not
Speaker 1: what a man is supposed to be doing. Now, I
Speaker 1: have a lot of people that are going to be
Speaker 1: upset with me, maybe even you are going to be
Speaker 1: upset with me. But let's just look at it for
Speaker 1: what it really is. Your mom kicked you out, you
Speaker 1: know you were being grown. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: You know you were being grown. You were living with
Speaker 1: your boyfriend at seventeen. You have to look at this timeline.
Speaker 1: You know you met him when you were twelve. Then
Speaker 1: you're not even telling me how old he is, and
Speaker 1: if you did, I'm sorry I didn't catch that. So
Speaker 1: I'm imagining that he's much older than you because he
Speaker 1: prayed on you. You know, a lot of men pray
Speaker 1: on younger women, and a lot of older women pray
Speaker 1: on younger men. It's the same, you know, vice versa,
Speaker 1: and either are right. It doesn't make it better because
Speaker 1: it's a woman. It's not right. If a man can't
Speaker 1: do it, a woman should not either, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to jail. You met him when you were twelve,
Speaker 1: Your parents kicked you out, You went to live with
Speaker 1: him a long way from home. Obviously, because you said
Speaker 1: that you were in a town where you didn't even
Speaker 1: know anybody. He went to jail for for beating you,
Speaker 1: you know, for putting his hands on you, domestic violence.
Speaker 1: You were pregnant, you had the first baby. Obviously, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna tell me that he ever stopped putting his
Speaker 1: hands on you. He never stopped putting his hands on you,
Speaker 1: even when he came on from jail. He didn't you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me, As young as you were, you
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that was not a situation that a
Speaker 1: young woman should have to endure. Do you really mean
Speaker 1: to tell me that, you know? Because I feel you, baby,
Speaker 1: I feel your empathy. I do, I do, and I
Speaker 1: sympathize with you for your child, mostly because he molested
Speaker 1: his own daughter. Okay, so he belongs six feet fucking under,
Speaker 1: and I am very sorry to say that he deserved
Speaker 1: the fucking electric chair. He deserves to go to jail,
Speaker 1: never come out. He deserves everything negative in life. He
Speaker 1: does not deserve to prosper at all. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what people say. People change,
Speaker 1: People change. You molested your child. You sent his children
Speaker 1: with him because you did point out that he was
Speaker 1: a great dad. He showed you that he was a
Speaker 1: ain't shit man, but that never stopped him from being
Speaker 1: a good dad. And then you go on to tell
Speaker 1: me that your daughter went with him for a summer
Speaker 1: along with the other four kids that you two have together,
Speaker 1: and your daughter came back and you noticed that she
Speaker 1: was different, she was very different. That's sad, that's very
Speaker 1: very sad. And then later you found out that she
Speaker 1: was molested. Of course you didn't see this coming. No
Speaker 1: mother in her right mind would send their child with
Speaker 1: a man, even with it being her biological father, if
Speaker 1: they had any inkling that he would touch her inappropriately
Speaker 1: in that way. What did you do for her? That's
Speaker 1: what I want to know when you found out, because
Speaker 1: you said you'd like to keep this a secret. That's
Speaker 1: the problem in these black families as well. I can't
Speaker 1: speak for any other race because I am not any
Speaker 1: other race, but a problem in black households is we
Speaker 1: sweep shit under the rug and we keep going as
Speaker 1: if shit never fucking happened. Like you hear these stories about,
Speaker 1: you know, a child being ripped by our uncles for
Speaker 1: years and years, and the found out and just cut
Speaker 1: the unc just cut her brother off. She just cut
Speaker 1: the uncle off. She didn't take any type of legal action,
Speaker 1: and they just swept in under the rug. And then
Speaker 1: you grow up. Then the child grows up all promiscuous
Speaker 1: and shit or thinking that this is regular because there
Speaker 1: was never any action taken against her uncle. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, What did you do? Did you call
Speaker 1: the police? Did you get them locked up? What did
Speaker 1: you do? And then what did you do for her?
Speaker 1: You know, what did you do to really set an
Speaker 1: example to say this is not right? This is my baby,
Speaker 1: this is your child. You raped her. You gotta pay
Speaker 1: for this shit. You understand what legal action was taking?
Speaker 1: And then also did you get her therapy? Do you
Speaker 1: talk to her? Is she allowed to open up about
Speaker 1: it around you? Because if you like to keep her
Speaker 1: a secret, I know, damn well, she ain't supposed to
Speaker 1: be saying nothing about it, you know? Is that how
Speaker 1: you raised her after that? Like, look, we don't talk
Speaker 1: about this because that's wrong. You know, she may have
Speaker 1: issues for the rest of her life because of this,
Speaker 1: you know, and listen, I understand, you want love, you
Speaker 1: want friends. It's very hard being lonely, but with five children.
Speaker 2: You can't be lonely.
Speaker 1: I understand that you have five children can't give you intimacy,
Speaker 1: they can't get but that's gonna have to be on
Speaker 1: a back burner until you really heal, because you haven't
Speaker 1: healed yourself. You have not healed. It's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: having a person that you can talk to and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. All you gotta do is get out. That's easy,
Speaker 1: finding somebody to just talk to. But you're trying to
Speaker 1: be in love. You want to get married, you want to,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna take a lot of work, honey, because
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of traumatic moments that led up
Speaker 1: to you being damaged. You are damaged, Your daughter is damaged,
Speaker 1: and I don't know about the rest of your four
Speaker 1: beautiful children. But who's to say that he didn't do
Speaker 1: that in front of them? Who's to say that you know?
Speaker 1: We just don't know, okay, Because if you molest one child,
Speaker 1: and you treat one child like shit, or you put
Speaker 1: your hands on one child, the rest of them aren't exempt.
Speaker 1: You just have to assume that he's a danger to
Speaker 1: all of them. All of them are in danger around
Speaker 1: the fuck father. You understand what I'm saying, how is
Speaker 1: the relationship between you and your kids? You said, sometimes
Speaker 1: you feel like a horrible parent. Do you look at
Speaker 1: them and see him? Do you see them as a
Speaker 1: product of him? And you know and you get disgusted
Speaker 1: with them? You know, because you need therapy. You need
Speaker 1: to heal tremendously before you make a decision to date somebody. Baby,
Speaker 1: This is not just gonna be a I date now
Speaker 1: all my problems are gone away. No, you have to
Speaker 1: connect with your children. Connect with them. Let them know
Speaker 1: what their father is. You need to let them know
Speaker 1: why you left their dad. You need to explain to
Speaker 1: them everything that you explained to me, because that's all
Speaker 1: you got is your children. They ain't gonna never leave you.
Speaker 1: They'll never telling you, They'll never leave you. Hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up, I know this shit getting good, But listen
Speaker 1: to just a couple seconds of a commercial. If you
Speaker 1: love me, you'll listen. Are you religious? Do you have
Speaker 1: do you pray? You know? Do you meditate? Do yoga?
Speaker 1: What do you do? You know? What are you doing
Speaker 1: for job? What do you do in your free time?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you not have one homegirl? Are you
Speaker 1: close with your parents? Have you and your mom or dad,
Speaker 1: you know, reconvened. Since you left this man, you know,
Speaker 1: does he still contact you? I need to know. I
Speaker 1: need to know these things so I can tell you
Speaker 1: or advise you on how to move with your social life.
Speaker 1: But first you need to sit down and see somebody professionally.
Speaker 1: You and your babies. You need to do individual therapy,
Speaker 1: but you need a family therapist as well. That's what
Speaker 1: y'all need in that house. I don't care if you
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's not gonna work. It works. Therapy
Speaker 1: works and it helps people. It does help. We are
Speaker 1: living in the times right now. Mental health is trending.
Speaker 1: People want to fix themselves. We didn't even know we
Speaker 1: had help for mental health until just recently, but now
Speaker 1: we do. We have all types of resources that can
Speaker 1: help you. I feel so bad for you and your babies.
Speaker 1: Yes I do, And it's the holidays now as well.
Speaker 1: Hold your baby tight, love on them. They are all
Speaker 1: you have. They are all you have. It still could
Speaker 1: be worse because you could not have them. You could
Speaker 1: have lost them, CPS could have took them right the
Speaker 1: fuck up out of there. You understand, you got your babies,
Speaker 1: all five of them, all of them teenagers all the
Speaker 1: way down to six to a six year old. Take
Speaker 1: your babies, love on them. They're going to be your strength,
Speaker 1: and you on return have to be theirs because they
Speaker 1: are still the children they didn't next to be here.
Speaker 1: You gotta put that big mommy head on, and you
Speaker 1: put your big girl panties on, and you got to pray.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not trying to force a religion on you.
Speaker 1: I am a Christian woman, god fearing woman.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: But whoever you believe in, whatever you believe in, that's
Speaker 1: what you need to do. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I need an update because I want to know
Speaker 1: how you're doing. I want to know how you're doing.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Damn. That made me. Oh man, that just
Speaker 1: made that makes me feel so bad for this woman
Speaker 1: and and her children, you know. And like she said,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is a question or not,
Speaker 1: or if I'm venting. I don't know. Like you know,
Speaker 1: she says she doesn't know what to do. I think
Speaker 1: she's doing both. She's venting while still in a place
Speaker 1: where she doesn't know what to do. She feels lonely,
Speaker 1: you know, and she doesn't think a man is going
Speaker 1: to want her after having five kids. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, babe, it could be way worse for you
Speaker 1: in that dating pool with your kids. You could have
Speaker 1: five different baby daddies. No shame to nobody else who
Speaker 1: does you know, But I'm saying it could be that thing,
Speaker 1: because then a man, a man will look at a
Speaker 1: woman and say, damn, you got five kids by five
Speaker 1: different niggas. Oh nah, I ain't fucking with this bit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It goes the same way.
Speaker 1: My son's dad got five kids. It's certain women that
Speaker 1: will not mess with him because all five of his
Speaker 1: children don't belong to one woman. They belong to five
Speaker 1: different women, you know, myself included. So it's like it
Speaker 1: would be his preference. If you do reveal that you
Speaker 1: got five kids, it'd be like, nah, but you know,
Speaker 1: all five of your children were produced early by one man.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it better all around the board, per se,
Speaker 1: but it makes it better. All of your children. They
Speaker 1: you know, they have to left the same last name,
Speaker 1: the same dad.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It just makes it easier. I'm not saying it makes
Speaker 1: it better. I'm just saying it makes it easier for
Speaker 1: you to date when all five of your children belong
Speaker 1: to one man. But I don't think you that. I
Speaker 1: don't think you should be worried about dating right now.
Speaker 1: And I understand how it feels to be alone and
Speaker 1: just want an intimate touch or that person that could
Speaker 1: tell you I love you, past you on the back.
Speaker 1: You need a hug. You go hug them babies until
Speaker 1: you meet someone that will give you a genuine hug
Speaker 1: and that will will love you for you and love
Speaker 1: your babies as well. But I think you should go
Speaker 1: get your daughter some help, and I think you should
Speaker 1: get help as well. Don't make nothing a fucking secret
Speaker 1: because this shit is happening every day somewhere. So you're
Speaker 1: not the only person who went through this shit. Your
Speaker 1: baby is not the only person who was molested by
Speaker 1: her father. And then, obviously with her being so young,
Speaker 1: what made her not tell you is he probably scared
Speaker 1: her into not telling you. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Just think about every night she wanted to run away,
Speaker 1: or she wanted to come the fuck home, she wanted
Speaker 1: to call the police, she wanted to kill her father.
Speaker 1: She don't understand why her Why are you doing this
Speaker 1: to me. Think of her, Think of how she was
Speaker 1: feeling the same way you were feeling when he was
Speaker 1: beating on your ass before you had four more children.
Speaker 1: Do you feel me. I'm not here to coddle you.
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you you're stronger. You are a
Speaker 1: strong woman because you ain't on drugs, not that I
Speaker 1: know of it, but I'm gonna go ahead and say
Speaker 1: you ain't on no drugs. You are strong. You didn't
Speaker 1: give those children away. You did not give them, you know,
Speaker 1: put them in foster care. You could have gave them
Speaker 1: up for adoption. You are strong and that's how I
Speaker 1: know that you are strong enough. You're strong enough to
Speaker 1: not give up right now because you want a man,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to marry somebody with a big family.
Speaker 1: All that shit will come. You have to get yourself together,
Speaker 1: you know, and your baby. So just check back in
Speaker 1: with me, because I really want to follow up with you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but we've come to the end of
Speaker 1: this episode because I don't even have time to read
Speaker 1: another story. We've come to yet the conclusion of another
Speaker 1: episode of Carefully Reckless with your CIRL dressing. Hmm, my bad, y'all.
Speaker 1: I was eating a sandwich. The rest of my other
Speaker 1: half of my sandwich got cold, and shit, this story
Speaker 1: was so damn good. I'm like, damn man. I mean
Speaker 1: not good in a sense where it's like it's entertainment.
Speaker 1: I mean like this is some real life shit and
Speaker 1: I had to delve into it. I had to stop
Speaker 1: biting all my saying. I got a bacon, egg and
Speaker 1: cheese on white toast with butter and jelly mm, and
Speaker 1: that was cold. You don't want to put no no
Speaker 1: breakfast sandwich in a microwave. So you know I love you, girl.
Speaker 1: You know I love you, And that's why I want
Speaker 1: you to update me on everything you've got going on
Speaker 1: from here on out, you know. And it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be an update for Carefully Reckless. You can just
Speaker 1: update me anyway personally. You know what I'm san hand.
Speaker 1: And if you don't want, you don't want the updates
Speaker 1: to be on the podcast, they don't have to be.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you're okay, all right,
Speaker 1: And that is the end, you guys. I'll see you
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