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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. All right, here we are. It is

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Speaker 1: time for another edition of mix Shots. It's Tuesday at

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty and Mickey Spagnola right on time at eleven

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Speaker 1: thirty on a Tuesday morning. Everson Walls will be along shortly.

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Speaker 1: I am Bill Jones and Mickey. I have spent this morning,

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Speaker 1: as I have spent many mornings here in the month

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Speaker 1: of April already, as we are up to April thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: now two weeks and two days away from Draft day,

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Speaker 1: I have then immersed inside mine. Let me get it here,

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Speaker 1: let me get it here, my big green NFL draft

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Speaker 1: scouting notebook. I am into this, Mickey. I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I got a big blue one, your big blue NFL

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Speaker 1: draft scouting notebook. All right, it's thick. That's what I

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Speaker 1: should have a blue one. I should have a blue one.

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Speaker 1: But going way back in Mickey, you and I have

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Speaker 1: been of course you've been covering the Cowboys since the eighties,

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Speaker 1: but we really started getting into this draft stuff. I

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Speaker 1: want to say two thousand and five, when the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: had two first round draft picks with DeMarcus Ware and

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Speaker 1: Marcus Spears. And that's basically when I started my notebook.

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Speaker 1: And one year I just happened to get a green notebook.

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Speaker 1: And then people would say once inside that big green

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Speaker 1: notebook and so, and then I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a green notebook every year. Maybe I

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Speaker 1: can get a title sponsor, I can get the At

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Speaker 1: that time, I got a big green egg on the

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Speaker 1: Egg will sponsor my notebook. Well here we are fifteen

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Speaker 1: years later and no sponsor. But I still got my

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Speaker 1: green notebook. So you didn't get another egg. Huh. I

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Speaker 1: do have the egg. I don't use it enough on

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Speaker 1: the back porch, but since then I've got sunning laws

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Speaker 1: who do use it for me. So but yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the prospects than I did a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: This is a great month as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 1: just getting ready for this thing and learning these players. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And you know, as for out here, it's been pretty

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Speaker 1: quiet over the last week. The one thing that should

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Speaker 1: He evidently had a medical deal going on with his

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Speaker 1: uh he hasn't physically come to sign, but uh, they

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Speaker 1: looking at the amped up rehab that Dak Prescott is

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Speaker 1: He has progressed. Now you know how they put those

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Speaker 1: H backpedaling, coming forward, backpedaling, coming forward. Uh, doing the

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Speaker 1: Uh and usually Tuesday morning, actually Monday Tuesday mornings for sure.

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Speaker 1: So his progress is improving greatly. And like I said

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Speaker 1: a story I heard. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say,

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Speaker 1: uh what coach told me this about Nick Saban. But

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Speaker 1: he's gone through so many assistant coaches at Alabama that

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Speaker 1: All right, Uh, he's so mickey, he's studying cover two.

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Speaker 1: I think, all right, your first comments about not much

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Speaker 1: in Frisco inside Ford Center, right. And my point was

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Speaker 1: We haven't got any news on personnel. But yeah, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're ramping up preparation for the draft, you know.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of that, Bill, I was looking at the

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Speaker 1: still don't know if it's going to be an eighty

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Speaker 1: Uh So, with seventy three guys already signed and ten

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Speaker 1: look at the second day bill, they've got three picks

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Speaker 1: This is telling them that other teams, you know you

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Speaker 1: of the of all the mock drafts and all this

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Speaker 1: almost becomes a thing where, all right, there's these popular

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Speaker 1: I remember, but he runs a four to four. Now

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Speaker 1: He kind of according to what you're saying about him,

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439
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Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish, Francis Bernard, Luke Gifford, and Azur Kamara. That's it.

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Speaker 1: So linebacker fits in just as well as a corner.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I started looking at corners, and you know,

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Speaker 1: And with the draft, uh, you know, choices they have,

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Speaker 1: a seten. They have a seten, and they also have

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Speaker 1: an Asante Samuel's junior. Yea. And they got Joe Horns kid, Jason.

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Speaker 1: I did not know about j This is my first

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Speaker 1: corner Yeah, Nicky, let's let's uh, and Everson, let's talk

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks when we come back here. I want to get

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Speaker 1: position in this draft. But we've got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: cornerback back here, Mickey that uh, I want to pick

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Speaker 1: three cornerbacks who are sons of NFL players, Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: type players too, and and Everson. Those those three guys,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Certen the second from Alabama, who is the son

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Speaker 1: high school, American Heritage Academy and Fort Lauderdale. He was

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Speaker 1: he's been He's been groomed to be a NFL cornerback

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Speaker 1: got J. C. Horne at South Carolina, who is the

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Speaker 1: son of former four time Pro Bowl wide receiver Joe Horn,

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Speaker 1: and he played receiver growing up. Imagine that because his

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Speaker 1: dad was an NFL receiver and then converted to cornerback,

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Speaker 1: and so he has not been groomed to be a

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Speaker 1: cornerback all his life. He's certainly been groomed to be

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Speaker 1: who is projected probably a second rounder, could sneak into

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Speaker 1: the late first round. Different type cornerback than those other

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Speaker 1: two because the other two are basically six one two

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Speaker 1: five eleven range. But those are three guys. But and

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Speaker 1: of course the ones that the Cowboys will be considering

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Speaker 1: at number ten or so ten and Horn and then

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Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, a guy that had back surgery, is probably

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Speaker 1: going to now be a late first round guy. It'd

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Speaker 1: be a tough call. When you have got those other

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks available, especially to pick with the tenth pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft, take a guy who's had recent back surgery

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Speaker 1: and actually has had a couple here. So, but how

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Speaker 1: important do you think it is to take a cornerback

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Speaker 1: that early in the draft? Well, you know, when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to the NFL, I could say one thing,

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Speaker 1: but the film is always looking in another direction. You

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Speaker 1: got no more running backs being taken in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Everything is predicated on a quarterback and offensive talent, and

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Speaker 1: it seems like the running back position is kind of suffering.

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Speaker 1: So if you ask me, everything is turned on his

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Speaker 1: head to be considering a cornerback before a running back

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Speaker 1: in the first round of the NFL. Spass can tell

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Speaker 1: you that's something that ten years ago, fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: never would have even been considered. You had your exceptions,

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Speaker 1: of course, like the Sean Springs. You had Charles Woodson

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Speaker 1: for the most part, the running back position was always

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Speaker 1: that position. Now Here we are ten fifteen years later,

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Speaker 1: and now cornerbacks. All of a sudden, they're this premium position.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys them sales went for that. Of course,

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Speaker 1: from Alabama. That's one thing, Trey Von Diggs, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I still the verdict is still out of course on him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when you're talking about the choice between

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Speaker 1: but that linebacker position, that linebacker position is just so

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Speaker 1: much more dynamic and important for the Cowboys defense. I

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Speaker 1: think if you just get some pressure, you get some

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Speaker 1: guys that are making plays in the not just secondary

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Speaker 1: position or up front. When you have a linebacker that

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Speaker 1: can control so much and impact the game so much

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Speaker 1: from that position of the defense, I think that's something

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Speaker 1: that can help out any cornerback. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: under pressure. And if that lineback or the defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: would prioritize those positions over the cornerback position because if

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Speaker 1: you just get back there with Trey Bon Digs, this

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00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: guy can make some plays if you just give him

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Speaker 1: some pressure. We never had that luxury for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: while he's been here. So I'm looking forward to hopefully

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Speaker 1: we're looking at a linebacker position to make that move.

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Speaker 1: But if we were going to do this, you know,

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Speaker 1: is Patrick certain going to even be around and pick

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Speaker 1: number ten? You know, that's just how important people are

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Speaker 1: looking at the cornerback position now, especially when Winfield were

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Speaker 1: making all those plays in the Super Bowl spags. You know,

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Speaker 1: that influences a lot of other gems and head coaches

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, maybe we could look at a young

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Speaker 1: defensive back that can make a an immediate impact on

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Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, there's this assumption that he's going to

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Speaker 1: be there for the Cowboys. I've seen some drafts where

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Speaker 1: Denver takes him at number nine. Then you're gonna say, okay,

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Speaker 1: do I take the next best cornerback on my board

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Speaker 1: or do I go linebacker? And look, what was the

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00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: biggest problem this defense had last year? They couldn't stop

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Speaker 1: the run. Couldn't stop the run? Right, I just had

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00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: to remind myself. I just looked it up. They gave

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Speaker 1: up two thousand, five hundred and forty one yards rushing

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Speaker 1: and twenty rushing touchdowns. Teams average five yards a carry

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Speaker 1: against this team five yards a carry. Now I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play. You think about that before you go on. Fact,

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Speaker 1: I just gotta think you had commentators. It was so bad.

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Speaker 1: Commentators was saying, why are apponent's throwing the ball? Yes

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Speaker 1: against the Yeah, exactly, that's crazy. That's a half of

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Speaker 1: first down every time they touched the ball on average,

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Speaker 1: half a first down. Uh. If you can't stop the run,

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Speaker 1: you don't earn the right to rush the quarterback because

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Speaker 1: they ain't gonna throw it. So to me, you just

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Speaker 1: can't assume that the cornerback's gonna solve what they have. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: there might be linebackers, like I pointed out with the

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Speaker 1: corners that in the second round you can get a

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Speaker 1: good guy that can step in. But they need another

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Speaker 1: starting quality linebacker on this team. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: worst came to worst, I can I can start tomorrow

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Speaker 1: with Treyvon Diggs, Anthony Brown, and Jordan Lewis as my

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Speaker 1: top three corners. All right, now, I'm in trouble if

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Speaker 1: one of them gets hurt. Uh, and and so but

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Speaker 1: at linebacker, Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderish and as I said

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Speaker 1: last week, and what because it doesn't work, that's very

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Speaker 1: good and what. And so you know that that linebackers

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Speaker 1: spot when you can't stop the run, and they and

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Speaker 1: I'll blame some of it on alignment, some of it

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Speaker 1: on scheme, but they need another guy up there for sure.

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Speaker 1: So either first or second round, I got to see

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Speaker 1: a linebacker on this team. And when you look at

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00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: at the picks, though, okay, if you're number ten, all

636
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: of these promising players that you guys have mentioned, whether

637
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: it was last week or today, I can't see all

638
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: of them being gone. And we're just talking defensively. We're

639
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: just talking defensive players that are could be uh, you know,

640
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: in the top ten by the time we get there.

641
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: They can't all be gone. I look forward to us

642
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: really filling up a spot, an important spot doing the

643
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: draft with one of these guys that we're talking about.

644
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: They're not all gonna be gone. And especially when you're

645
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: looking at teams that are looking at offense in the

646
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: top ten as well, so we'll see. Oh yeah. The

647
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: other thing ever since, is it's possible that all of

648
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: the defensive players will be there for the Cowboys too,

649
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: because when you're talking about the speculation is that five

650
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks might be taken in the top seven picks or so,

651
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: and then you got someone will be there for us,

652
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: someone that we need will be there. Oh yeah, for sure.

653
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: But you might have the pick of the litter. You

654
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: might have the whole thing there for you. Just pick.

655
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: As far as defensive players go, all right, let me

656
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: ask you about offensive lineman. Obviously, the Cowboys had issues

657
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: last year with injuries in their offensive line, both tackle spots,

658
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: with Tyrn Smith playing only two games and Lyle Collins

659
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: missing the whole season. What about an offensive tackle? There

660
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: are two guys that have been mentioned Penna School as

661
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: well as Rashaun Slater as guys that could be in

662
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: the mix at number ten. What would you think of

663
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle? I would think of an offensive tackle

664
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: late in the second round or in the third round,

665
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: a guy that could is maybe not ready to start immediately,

666
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: but has starting capabilities in his future and can step

667
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: up and be my backup swing tackle. And I think

668
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: there's guys in this draft that you know that kind

669
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: of fit that description that you don't have to have

670
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: the top guy in the draft. Maybe you get the

671
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: third or fourth or fifth best offensive tackle. You know,

672
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple names that kind of intrigued me

673
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: as I look in my big blue notebook. Here, there's

674
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: a guy Tevin Jenkins at Oklahoma State. He's six five,

675
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 1: three seventeen and he bench pressed get this, he bench

676
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: pressed two twenty five and I thought it was a

677
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: miss print thirty six times? How does that happen? Can't

678
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: do that? That's Larry a status, right, that's Larry Allen's

679
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: territory right there, you know. And then there's a couple

680
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: other guys that are guards that could play tackle. Uh

681
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: that that might be intriguing. Uh so yeah, but again

682
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: to me, you want that guy, uh maybe third round,

683
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: but they need they do need a young offensive offensive

684
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: tackle because I don't know, and we'll see how they, um,

685
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: you know what they think of the guys that took

686
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: over uh last year? You know, do they like Brandon Knight? Uh?

687
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: You know, is Terrence Steele? Uh? You know? Do they

688
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: think they can sink their teeth into these guys as

689
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: as grooming them? Or do you need a young guy

690
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: uh to come along and help out you know when

691
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about uh, my goodness, lifting two twenty five

692
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: for thirty thirty plus times that is ridiculous, but used

693
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: to comparing him to people like Larry Allen like I

694
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: just did, and that's kind of dangerous. So I was

695
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: I almost wanted to just just take that back because

696
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Larry Allen wasn't just strong. Larry Allen was an athlete.

697
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how athletic this guy from Oklahoma State is,

698
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: but that is promising when you're talking about lifting that

699
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: many times. Hopefully he would have the account of ability

700
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: that Larry Allen had. And let's look at the importance

701
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: in regard to the Cowboys and getting an offensive tackle.

702
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've thought of this. Facts. You've got a

703
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: quarterback who was extremely vulnerable right now, you know, and

704
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: we just paid him all of this franchise cash. So

705
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: should we change our priorities in the draft and say,

706
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: you know what, we do need defense? Like you said, Bill,

707
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: we might have, but man, we just paid Dak Prescott.

708
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: We just brought the entire bank to him, and now

709
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: we're not considering protecting him. When you're talking about two

710
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: offensive tackles that we've had who have been long standing

711
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: experts and professionals at their job, but now they're looking

712
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: a little vulnerable. Okay, so do we consider protecting our

713
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: quarterback first? Because yes, we need defense, Yes we need that,

714
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: but we need our quarterback who we just paid a

715
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: boatload of money. So do you consider your priorities to

716
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: change in regards to offense Vesion's defense? Because right now

717
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: when I talking about a tight end, now we're talking

718
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: about protection for your number one quarterback, you know Tyrone.

719
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: Of course what we're looking for him to come back,

720
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: but man, he's been having some issues lately. When you're

721
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about a big man like that,

722
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: trying to solve some of these problems over the off season.

723
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: For the last few off seasons has been a real problem.

724
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: So do we roll the dice and say we got

725
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: to prot a debt over the defensive responsibilities? Do we

726
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: go with a guy that's gonna protect debt? Well, here's

727
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: the way boys would compromise themselves. Here's the way I

728
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: look at that. They extended the contracts of Tyrann Smith

729
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: and Lale Collins. They restructured him to save cap space.

730
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: If they had any any worry about those guys near future,

731
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: meaning this year, they wouldn't have done that. Yes, so

732
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: from a medical standpoint, they must have a very good

733
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: feel for where those guys are. And I can tell

734
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: you watching Lale Collins do his rehab with Dak, he's

735
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: doing some of the same things Dak is doing, and

736
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: he's doing them awfully well. He's running really well. Now

737
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: there's a difference between running and rehabbing and then trying

738
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: to block a two hundred and ninety pound, you know,

739
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: defensive end. But he seems to be working well, so

740
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: to me, if they had any worry whatsoever, then they

741
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: would make that move at number ten. But I think

742
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: they feel like these guys are good. So to me,

743
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: you go back into maybe the second day and you

744
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: find yourself maybe a tackle or a guard that can

745
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: play tackle. You know, I saw this. I was reading

746
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: up on a guy from Michigan, Jalen Mayfield six two

747
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: six five three twenty six, and it says that he

748
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: could survive at tackle but probably will end up at guard.

749
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: But if I can have a guy survive at tackle

750
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: and be able to be my swing guy as a rookie,

751
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I'd have to look at that, especially on the second day. Well.

752
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: And the reason they say that about Jalen Mayfield is

753
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: because of his arm length. It's just thirty two and

754
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: a half at arms, and that's one of you know.

755
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Ray Shawn Slater is a guy from Northwestern. You talk

756
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: about Tevin Jenkins with thirty four bench reps, Slater had

757
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: thirty three bench reps. He ran a four eight eight

758
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: at three hundred and four pounds with a ten yards

759
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: split on one sixty eight. His numbers are off the charts,

760
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: very athletic. But there's one negative. His arms aren't aren't

761
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: thirty six inches long like Tyrn Smiths are. He's three

762
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: inches shorter at thirty three inches, and that's he's little

763
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Speaker 1: t Rex. There you go. Is the same way you

764
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: know if you're taken, if you're taken, I think if

765
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: you're taking an offensive tackle at number ten, you need

766
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: to have the same the same parameters on that that

767
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: you had when you took Tyrant Smith at number nine

768
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: nine years ago, however long ago it was ten years ago.

769
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: And that is that this guy is gonna be holding down.

770
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna be Tyrn Smith's replacement at left tackle for years.

771
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: To forget about right tackle, because you can get a

772
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: right tackle the second round, but for a left tackle,

773
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: you got to know that this guy is going to

774
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: be Tyrn Smith's replacement whenever Tyran decides to retire, and

775
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: in the meantime he can play guard. And I'm not

776
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: sure that Slater is going to be a left tackle

777
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: in this league. He may be a right tackle in

778
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, he has to That guy has to

779
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: be a left tackle. Bill. And here's the other thing.

780
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: And I know Tyran's had some injuries. His biggest problem

781
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,200
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782
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,440
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Speaker 1: I'll take Tyrn Smith for thirteen of seventeen games before

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Speaker 1: start of the offseason, right, yeah, absolutely. I think it

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845
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: He was where eleven? Where? And Michael Irvin were eleven

846
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith was nine. You know what they need

847
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: to do. They need to either trade up to number

848
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: nine and take a Tyron Smith because nine eleven wearing

849
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Michael Vin, all three of those, Uh, if they know you,

850
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking about something else, Bat and saying, now,

851
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. Now if they pick a nine or eleven,

852
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: they're getting the Hall of Famer number ten. Jury's out,

853
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: all right. Everson was not with us last week, and Everson,

854
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: if you can fill us in on where you were

855
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: last week, and let's pay tribute. Let's pay tribute to

856
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: coach Ernest Sterling and as he has known in this

857
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: household as Uncle Ernest. This was Cherrell's only uncle. That

858
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: it's her mother's baby brother. Believe it or not. Her

859
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: mother is five four he's six feet. He was six

860
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: feet seven inches tall. And they called him the big cat.

861
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: And I told people all the time, I call him

862
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: big Monster because he scared the living the hell out

863
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: of me, you know, But I have to give him

864
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: love because when I was looking for a place to

865
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: go to college and get further my education. Now, I

866
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: guess people know the story. My wife at the time,

867
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, she knew what she was going. So, hey,

868
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: young fellow, if you want to come, fine, If not,

869
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm moving on and I'm gonna make something to myself.

870
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I better follow this chick. I

871
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: don't want to lose her. So I'm like, okay, I'm

872
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: going I want to go to Grambling. What do I do?

873
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: She ended up giving my video at that time canister

874
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: of film or my guy were old Big took my

875
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: canister film from Burtner High School, and he vouched for

876
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: me to coach Eddie G. Robinson. And if it wasn't

877
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: for that, you know, I wouldn't be talking to you guys.

878
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, I probably wouldn't be married to Hurelle. You know,

879
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: my relationship probably never would have lasted. I never would

880
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: have gone to college if it wasn't for coach Ernest

881
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: Sterling vouching for me to coach Eddie Robinson and my

882
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: mom I took that drive up there. That was the

883
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: opportunity literally of a lifetime, because if it wasn't Coach Sterling,

884
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: I would not be married to Hirell. Probably I probably

885
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: would not have further my education. And as much as

886
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: he and I didn't really talk much because he knows

887
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: that I owed him my entire life, he knew that.

888
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: But he was a guy that I have to contribute

889
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: all of my success and all of my happiness. I

890
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: have to contribute it to him because if it wasn't

891
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: for him, I would not be where I am today.

892
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: Coach Sterling actually had a little stint with the Dallas

893
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys and it just so happened. Raphael Wright calls me

894
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: to talk about his golf tournament coming up in Weatherford.

895
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: I think it is around October leveth, and I asked him,

896
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: I said, do you remember a big six foot seven inch,

897
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: very fair skinned young man from Graham May State University

898
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: And they called him also Big Cat, And of course

899
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Rayphiel remembered him right away because I'm sure they had

900
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: many battles together in practice. And even though coach Sterling

901
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: was only there for just a quick cup of coffee,

902
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: he was really happy with his career because he went

903
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: back to Grambling and he coached at Grambling doing two

904
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: stints I would imagine cumulatively over thirty plus years under

905
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: the two ledge of coach Eddie Robbins, and so he

906
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: lived the life that he wanted to live. It was

907
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: a dream life for him. He survived by Irene and

908
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: his kids. And I just had to put that out

909
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: there for him, because you know, we're talking about hbu

910
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: HBCUs nowadays and how you know, we've kind of been

911
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: ignored throughout the annimals of recent history in the NFL.

912
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: And to me, Coach Sterling had his own legacy, and

913
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: he also contributed to another legacy, which was mine. So

914
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: I gotta give him love and he will truly be missed.

915
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm ever so I'm reading up on Ernest here and

916
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: there was a standout defensive lineman for Grambling and then

917
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: went to the Cowboys, as you mentioned, was here briefly

918
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: and then h you know, he started his college coaching

919
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: career as a defensive line coach for Eddie Robinson, first

920
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: for twenty one years, then stepped away for a couple

921
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: of years, and then came back. And Eddie Robinson once

922
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: said of Sterling, Ernest coach with me for twenty four years.

923
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: He had played for me, and then in the NFL.

924
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: He was like a rock and my foundation guy. You know.

925
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Eddie Robinson a Hall of fame coach,

926
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: but even a hall of fame coaches need a rock

927
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: in their found and that's why Ernest Sterling was to

928
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Eddie Robinson. That is so true, coach Sterling. He actually

929
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: came to a couple of Cowboy camps. You know how

930
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: they bring in the whole staff of a particular university

931
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: HBCU and not bring in some staff so they can

932
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: learn on how things are done in training camp from

933
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: the pros. I think that was an official program with

934
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: the NFL to bring in college coaches and let them

935
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: see how professional coaches get it done and how they

936
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: go through practices. And it was very odd and strange

937
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: to have the Grambling coaching staff there. I tried to

938
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: stay the hell away from them. I don't want those

939
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: flashbacks anymore. You know. I had my own problems here

940
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys with Eddie Robinson, but that coaching staff

941
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: was just like coach Landry's in regards to We wore

942
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: suits and ties everywhere we went. We tried to represent

943
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: our HBCUs with nothing but class because Eddie Robinson would

944
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: not have it any other way. We traveled all the time.

945
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: We had three home games a year. Any other time

946
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: we were on the road for eight games. We had

947
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: to take our books with us everywhere we went because

948
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: the culture at Grambling was to graduate players, not just

949
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: tried to sending him through the NFL through with some

950
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: type of draft. And Coach Sterling was the We call

951
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: him the educational supervisor because he was the one that

952
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: made sure all players stayed eligible. He was the one

953
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: that did that and that's why Eddie Robinson called him

954
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: his rock because he kept players eligible by hooker coup.

955
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: He wanted to make sure that we were studying, that

956
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: we stayed in class, and we stayed focused, not just

957
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: on the field, but also on the campus. What a legacy.

958
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that ever since, Yes, sir, yes, sir,

959
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: all right. Ernest Sterling, Senior, Grambling State University. All right, Mickey,

960
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: any parting thoughts is we wrap up this edition of

961
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: Mick Shots. We got just a couple of weeks before

962
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: draft day. You know, one other note on the cornerbacks

963
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned there was five and ranked in the top

964
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: forty two of somebody's one hundred. That same listing had

965
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: eleven corners in the top sixty one. So there are

966
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: corners out there, whoa And you can get one in

967
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: the second round if you decide to go a different

968
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: route in the first. I'm not sure what the linebacker

969
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: availability would be for someone to step in and be

970
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: a starter if you got them in the second where

971
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are. But again, with all those draft choices,

972
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: you know you can move around and get to where

973
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: you need to if you can find a trading partner.

974
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: And also one other thing I noticed I read this

975
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: little note the New York Jets, all right, they traded

976
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: over this last year. Leonard Williams their sixth pick in

977
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: the first round, Jamal Adams a sixth pick in the

978
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: first round, and Sam Darnold a third pick. They got

979
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: eight picks for those guys trading them. They have twenty

980
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: one picks in the next two drafts, twenty twenty one

981
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two. So you think they've got the

982
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: ability to move around With an average of ten and

983
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: a half picks per year, that's awfully impressive. So watch

984
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: out for the Jets doing exactly what they want to

985
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: do if they can do it right. Not as not

986
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: as impressive as the herschel Walker trade. Right, I'm sorry,

987
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: that's Chuck Chains compared to what just happened. What was

988
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: that nineteen ninety I believe with the Cowboys and hershell

989
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: Walker eighty nine. So the prediction is, the prediction is

990
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: that the Jets will now make twenty one more trades

991
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: of all those draft picks here in the coming years,

992
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: and they'll still have they'll still be at the bottom

993
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: of the division the metal all right, That does it

994
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: for mixed shots for Everson and Micky. I'm Bill and

995
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: we will see you again next week at eleven thirty

996
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: Live on Tuesday Morning. On nick Shots Gold Cowboys. This

997
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,520
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998
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