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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Bros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Baseball Podcast. It would be Joey Joe Pisapia, and it's

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Speaker 1: time to continue our series of the ultimates. We did

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Speaker 1: the infield, we did the outfield. There's only one thing left,

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Speaker 1: and that's the Ultimate Pitching Guide, and you have to

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Speaker 1: say it that way. We're contractually obligated, and of course

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Speaker 1: the Welsh also contractually obligated to be here every single

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Speaker 1: show along with me. We're getting closer and closer to

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Speaker 1: baseball and meaningful games actually being here and speaking of

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Speaker 1: meaningful things, Nick Pollock always full of so much meaning,

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Speaker 1: so much purpose. Uh why is everyone holding baseballs up?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not.

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Speaker 2: It's a cutter. It's devastating cutter.

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Speaker 3: You have to get up more on the seam over

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Speaker 3: here with You can't just do it straight over like No,

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Have it straight over right here. This is my cut

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Speaker 2: You haven't seen the cutter yet. It's coming. Circle change,

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Speaker 2: circle change.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we're a minute into the show and I've

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Speaker 1: already lost control.

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Speaker 4: This is the Ultimate.

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Speaker 2: Pitching Show, Joe. We have to show off the pitches.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to show off. Speaking of the picture list.

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Speaker 1: Nick Pollock, it's so great to see you, one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite people. By the way, what's what's the uh?

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Speaker 1: What's the grip on the slutter? Because that's a pitch

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Speaker 1: which a lot last year on.

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Speaker 4: How deep you go into cutter or a slider and

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Speaker 1: Boy, for a second there, I thought this was gonna

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Speaker 1: go way off the track. Let's I thought it.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna be like a really deep circle change.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa? Nick? Nick Pollock, you know you are the

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Speaker 1: pitching guru. You're the guy. I gotta ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: I guess I've never asked you this before. Who is

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Speaker 1: your favorite all time pitcher? I feel like everybody has one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was that guy that like caught your imagination

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Speaker 1: when you were a kid. Was there somebody pollocked that way?

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Speaker 3: Guess my guy, let's guess my answer is going to

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Speaker 3: be who was my idol growing up?

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Speaker 1: Okay idol growing up? Where were you born? Nick Pollock?

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Speaker 4: Maybe if you don't know the information, you're already behind.

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be East Coast Joe and Nick is

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Speaker 2: probably nobody.

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Speaker 1: He's not from Brooklyn. I'm from brook he just lives there.

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Speaker 1: Take a guess, am I right nor raised in Brooklyn. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that you have zero trace of any

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Speaker 2: My guess is Greg Maddox. Joe, don't tell us yet,

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Speaker 2: Nick minus Greg Maddox. You pick one, and then Nick unveils.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a I don't think that's sexy enough.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a Pedro Martinez guy. Nick Pollock, what

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 4: Okay, hold on a second.

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Speaker 3: So you think that I just told you I was

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Speaker 3: born and raised in Brooklyn and my idol growing up

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Speaker 3: would be Pedro Martinez, Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I'm a

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Speaker 1: lifelong Mets fan and he's still one of my all

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Speaker 1: time favorites. He was, Well, I mean, if you there's

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Speaker 1: you're not old enough to love Dwight Gooden like I am.

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Speaker 3: So okay, you're getting there, Okay, So it's David was

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Speaker 3: the one that I would actually model my wind up after.

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Speaker 1: David Kohn. Okay, good story.

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Speaker 2: Also, by the way, Nick, during first Pitch Arizona, he

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Speaker 2: made an example of me by doing a trick pitch

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Speaker 2: when we were playing a whiffle ball game and Nick

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Speaker 2: was just he Nick was just having fun with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welsh gets up here and he does this thing.

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Speaker 1: What did you do?

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Speaker 2: He like pretended he threw and it flicked underhand.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like he really describe it over

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Speaker 3: a podcast, but it was magical that I still want.

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Speaker 1: To do our charity event where I get three at

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Speaker 1: bats against Nick Pollock because I still feel great.

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Speaker 3: I haven't actually thrown properly off a mountain for a

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Speaker 1: I haven't properly hit off a guy with a rag

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Speaker 4: I just get you, have ice in advil with you.

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Speaker 1: That's all. I always travel with both of those Nicole

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Speaker 1: coming in at number one consensus right now, Spencer Striider

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Speaker 1: at one, Garrett Coole at two, Corbyn Burns at three,

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Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler four, Gossman, Luis Castillo, Pablo Lopez, George Kirby,

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Speaker 1: Zach Gallon at nine, Tyler glassnew to reschoogl and Yoshinobu

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Corbyn Burns. He's in a new spot,

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Speaker 1: Nick Pollock. How does that move to Baltimore affect him

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Speaker 1: positively or maybe even potentially negatively in your mind? And

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Speaker 1: is he worthy of this number three spot that he's

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Speaker 4: Where did you grow up in Brooklyn?

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Mill Basin. Yeah, Crime Family Block.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I played.

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Speaker 1: I got some stories.

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Speaker 1: I played in Parks Play there you go? Anyway, two

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Speaker 2: West coast, West coast.

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Speaker 3: If you want me having an accent, that can do that,

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Speaker 3: know no one will never want nobody does. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Corvin Burns going to Baltimore helps him. Obviously, Waltimore is

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Speaker 3: a good thing for him. It's just a better situation overall.

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Speaker 3: I do think that there are simple changes that Burns

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Speaker 3: He was SB four before underneath the wheeler, but to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's a positive impact on pitchers, certainly from

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Speaker 1: Even you know the years of Yadi or Malino, twenty

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Speaker 1: Catching does matter without a doubt. I want to keep

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Speaker 1: Zach Gallen from last year. However, Welsh, I want to

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Speaker 1: Zach Gallen. That's a big number for Gallon. Do you

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Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks have already discussed openly about the usage of Gallon.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be something important, which I think one

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Speaker 2: thing that's gonna materialize is probably a lesser spring. And then,

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Speaker 2: built up their bullpen, but Gallon. To me, it's not Kirby.

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Speaker 2: But there are these guys is that don't have these

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Speaker 2: really awesome, sexy strikeout numbers that I know we're all chasing,

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Speaker 2: no big major walk issues. I also have always loved

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Speaker 2: with change ups. I think he is such a smart pitcher.

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Speaker 2: I think it's impossible to bet against him. But obviously

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Speaker 2: Scooble was in his short sample size one of the

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Speaker 2: best pitchers in baseball. Best expected dra and eighty innings

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Speaker 3: Man, I have so many thoughts about these too. I

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Speaker 3: and Trek's scoobl You just.

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Speaker 4: It's easy. I want to talk about throwing hard.

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Speaker 3: Reagan's SAT ninety six and I talked to him in December.

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Speaker 3: And he has five pitches as opposed to Schoobol really

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Speaker 3: just has like two where it's a four seamer that

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Speaker 3: thing for scoobl So I'm not saying that School is

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Speaker 3: there's this new stuff that we have called striker, which

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Speaker 3: is strike minus ICRR. You probably don't understand it. It's fine.

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Speaker 3: All it says is that does this pitcher throw strikes?

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Speaker 3: And what that tells me is he squeezed enough out

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Speaker 3: It's hard not to and it's a little bit more

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Speaker 2: Who would you pick if you had to pick between them?

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Speaker 3: Though, if you're I currently have Gallon at nine, I'm

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Speaker 3: probably going to lower that, and I have Scooble around

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Speaker 1: Whoa well Scooble.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's again about the fast one is not

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Speaker 1: No, it's all fair, but.

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Speaker 3: It's just like that's not a large enough sample of that,

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Speaker 3: should be good. Also, the A zone Diamonbeck's defense better

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Speaker 4: And Meryl Kelly, well, do.

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Speaker 1: You think that Pollock's is just making up stats now

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Speaker 4: Year he tried to get at me. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: I have a hard line.

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Speaker 1: It's actually been acknowledged.

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Speaker 4: By so many people, so you should too.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, can you believe by the way that

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it? Why did it was that

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Speaker 2: of Pollock the person that we threw X plug at.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna throw that past stats all the time,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the newest toy in Dodger Land. It

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Speaker 1: is Yoshinobo Yamamoto. Welsh and I have talked a lot

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Speaker 1: Nick about Yamamoto, and it's funny because if you go

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Speaker 2: That's where I was going to jump into it because,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give a very very quick basic understanding

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Speaker 3: However, Spencer Strider has the lead extension and this velocity

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Speaker 3: When you get above sixteen inches, that's where it's great.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, if you have good VERT and you

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Speaker 3: it's not going to be as good. So you essentially

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter when I say this.

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Speaker 3: I say that if Yaalamoto has excellent extension and he

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Speaker 4: You know, you're in the.

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Speaker 1: And doesn't matter that much.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, if it's filthy, he moves a ton

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Speaker 1: So after all that word you have run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah Yamamoto, Well I don't think he's going to pitch

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Speaker 3: The Dodgers are just going to make sure that happens

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Speaker 3: still he gonna be very effective. It's gonna be nice.

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Speaker 3: You want to pitch for the Dodgers, He's going to

439
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Speaker 3: help you. But pushing the needle, I don't think it's

440
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Speaker 3: gonna be as much as we want it to be.

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Speaker 3: And there are other guys that I wanted to even

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Speaker 3: say Bradish was gonna be better before the injury than

443
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Speaker 3: Y'aomoto just because he's gonna get you would have gotten

444
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Speaker 3: more innings and still be very effective, winning ball club,

445
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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. Right, So I'm out on Yawamoto,

446
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Speaker 3: especially at this price. I still think he's gonna be great.

447
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Speaker 3: I have him at inside my top fifteen right now.

448
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Speaker 3: I'm actually timing to push him back, But yeah, I'm

449
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Speaker 3: fine with it. I just I think you can do better.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the SB twos here, Starting

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Speaker 1: at thirteen, Logan Webb, Aaron Nola, Freddy Peralta. Then you

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Speaker 1: have Franbervaldez, Max Free, Blake Snell, Code I sing at nineteen.

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Speaker 1: At twenty Logan Gilbert Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Efflyn, Eurie Prize,

472
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Speaker 1: and Bobby Miller Welsh. Grayson Rodriguez, a pictuer that struggled

473
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Speaker 1: early on last year, got sent down, came back, started

474
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Speaker 1: to show the flashes. This is a big time prospect

475
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Speaker 1: now he gets to, you know, sit behind Corbyn Burns.

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Speaker 1: I think that's such an important impact on a young

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Speaker 1: pitcher in a rotation. You know, we've seen it time

478
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Speaker 1: and time again when these guys, Garrett Cole, whether it

479
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Speaker 1: was Max Scherzer, ironically both those guys were Verlander ahead

480
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Speaker 1: of them at the time. That's when you really saw

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Speaker 1: them grow. Do you see that growth in Rodriguez this year? Welsh? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the opportunity is absolutely their big way of

483
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Speaker 2: so would love to see him throw the slider a

484
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Speaker 2: bit more. Innings are probably a little bit less of

485
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Speaker 2: an issue with him. It is weird that we've got

486
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Speaker 2: these three young pitchers that I think are being clumped together,

487
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about one of them in a second.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I struggle with Uri versus Grayson. I've

489
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Speaker 2: actually put Bobby Miller kind of above the tier of

490
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Speaker 2: Grayson and Uri Perez. But Uri Perez we talked about

491
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Speaker 2: this at first pitch. We're gonna talk about Bbby Miller here,

492
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Speaker 2: But like Grayson versus Uri Perez, I think Grayson actually

493
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Speaker 2: has an opportunity to push the innings. But I still

494
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Speaker 2: worry about the command. Even though he got it together

495
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Speaker 2: in the second half where Uri Perez is like a

496
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Speaker 2: high percentile every pitch he throws with type of guy's

497
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Speaker 2: it's I mean, it could get into high end elite

498
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Speaker 2: strikeouts if he continues to mature. And I would love

499
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Speaker 2: to also see some of that working of more of

500
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Speaker 2: that change up, you know, working with Sandy last year

501
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Speaker 2: and this team just in general with their change up.

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Speaker 2: So I have a little bit more optimism for a

503
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Speaker 2: guy like Uri Prez. I'm drafting Grayson I think is

504
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Speaker 2: in a solid spot, but I don't know if Grayson

505
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Speaker 2: is going to take the jump into being like an

506
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Speaker 2: elite pitcher because there are still some command things I

507
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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know Nick, if you feel any

508
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Speaker 2: different about Grace, especially like I know we're doing another

509
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Speaker 2: verses in a second, but like quickly, Grayson versus Bobby Miller,

510
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Speaker 2: Grayson versus Ury Perez, do you think that is a

511
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Speaker 2: really close tier or one stands above?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with you that Bobby Miller is above

513
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Speaker 3: both of them for me, and Grayson is Actually I

514
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Speaker 3: think it's way closer Bobby Miller and Grayson than it

515
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Speaker 3: is Uri.

516
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Speaker 4: I'm Uri in my shiny squirrels tier.

517
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Speaker 3: And that's going from Rob Silver giving me some criticism

518
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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen that I still take the heart of

519
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Speaker 3: It's fun. It really is, but there's a lot of

520
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Speaker 3: polish left to be added. I see think more so

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Speaker 3: with Uri than it is the others. And I say

522
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Speaker 3: that because I don't think that he utilizes his fastball correctly.

523
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Speaker 3: It gets hit far too hard because he's keeping it

524
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: too low, and it's a pitch that only really works upstairs.

525
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Speaker 3: His slider and his skurball are not the philth McGee

526
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Speaker 3: pitches they are. You watch these and you don't go whoa.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: His slider is actually not really the most aggressive moving slider,

529
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Speaker 3: but based off the fast ball is where he gets

530
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Speaker 3: its effectiveness, which can be a little more startling for

531
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Speaker 3: me because it can't He can't just carry himself only

532
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Speaker 3: with that slider, I believe. But like Grayson the polish

533
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Speaker 3: I am gonna I'll get to Grayson in a second.

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Speaker 2: It's well, I was just going to say he had

535
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Speaker 2: a three forty average against his fastball last year, but

536
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Speaker 2: he had a high wift rate, so right.

537
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Speaker 3: So I also want to emphasize that I don't like

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Speaker 3: quoting average for pitches just because of how they're utilized

539
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Speaker 3: is defining how what their average is going to be,

540
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Speaker 3: like if it's a strike up pitch, if they have

541
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Speaker 3: to throw it more In like two accounts, one accounts,

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Speaker 3: Bailey Freeman had a fantastic video about count changing stuff.

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Speaker 3: All right, but at the same time, you're right about

544
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Speaker 3: the Grace Rodriguez fastball. It's ICR that is the contact

545
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: allowed being favorable for the batter super high, like forty

546
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Speaker 3: eight percent at times, and that scares me. That said,

547
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Speaker 3: I think the elements of that for Semer are really good,

548
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: and how he used it was because his slider and

549
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Speaker 3: his changeup. We're not acting in the ways that he

550
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Speaker 3: wanted it to. And I see more promise in Grayson

551
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Speaker 3: Rodriguez's change up in a slider than I do in

552
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Speaker 3: the rest of the repertoire with Eury Perez. I also

553
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Speaker 3: think the team context is way better for Grayson Rodriguez

554
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Speaker 3: to go a full season while Euri pei is. The

555
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Speaker 3: Martins already said they're going to still be limiting him.

556
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Speaker 3: So what you have, in my view is Grayson who

557
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Speaker 3: has a more complete arsenal with an easier path to

558
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Speaker 3: just being consistently good, also on a better team than

559
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Speaker 3: eury Perez, and it's a clear divide for me.

560
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Speaker 1: Interesting, I want to talk about Bobby Miller because you

561
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Speaker 1: kind of perked up there about Bobby Miller. Yeah, so

562
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Speaker 1: let's throw him out there, a young pitcher, a great

563
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Speaker 1: team with the Dodgers. Certainly, you know, again, another guy's

564
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Speaker 1: going to benefit for other guys in the rotation. But

565
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Speaker 1: then you have a guy like Blake Snell coming off

566
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Speaker 1: his second so young, who hasn't have a team yet

567
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Speaker 1: as of us recording this, still we're still waiting on that.

568
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Speaker 1: So would you rather have Snell, who's going obviously at

569
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Speaker 1: least a round or two even potentially before, or would

570
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Speaker 1: you rather have Bobby Miller? And wait, you think that's

571
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Speaker 1: a better value?

572
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Speaker 2: Next call it, you know, real quick when you have

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Speaker 2: this to be yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, can come on another time in debate.

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Speaker 4: You know what was funny is that we did that.

576
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Speaker 3: That was who else was referring to is in first

577
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Speaker 3: Pitch Arizona. We were doing the Live on the Corner podcast, right,

578
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Speaker 3: me and Miles, and we were talking about Blake Snell

579
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Speaker 3: at the time in October, I think I had Snell

580
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Speaker 3: at like thirty three or something like that, and now

581
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Speaker 3: I think I have him around like twenty eight. And

582
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Speaker 3: Ano came on to protest and I said, well, where

583
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Speaker 3: do you have him?

584
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Speaker 4: Goes twenty eight?

585
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Speaker 1: What is this?

586
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Speaker 3: And so actually I found myself at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day. I didn't even think of that when I

588
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Speaker 3: was doing the ranking. It's like, okay, cool, where is it.

589
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Speaker 3: He's at twenty eight.

590
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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, there you go. But the problem with

591
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Speaker 4: Blake Snell.

592
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Speaker 3: To me is he what he did last year was deserved.

593
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Speaker 3: And I've said this time and time again, off he

594
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Speaker 3: deserved the cy young You see the high walk rates.

595
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Speaker 3: We have another SAT that we just unveil. These are

596
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Speaker 3: the two favorite stats we just did. One is so simple.

597
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: It's called mistake rate. Essentially, we have our pitching model

598
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Speaker 3: and we say, all right, these are pitches in the

599
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Speaker 3: zone that have two times the chance of allowing a

600
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Speaker 3: hit that's clearly a mistake that you just threw it,

601
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: double the chance of allowing a hit. Blake Snell through

602
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Speaker 3: the fewest mistakes of any pitcher in the majors last year,

603
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Speaker 3: and not even just like by this much. It was

604
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Speaker 3: nearly fifty percent better than the person in second place.

605
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Speaker 3: That's such an amazing thing, and it's by design, right.

606
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Speaker 3: He does not give in, and he will walk that

607
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: tightrope of making his right pitches eventually and trusting that

608
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Speaker 3: he's going to do that. Do I think that can

609
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Speaker 3: sustain for a full year. No, because he didn't sustain

610
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Speaker 3: for a full year last year. It took him about

611
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Speaker 3: seven weeks or so to get to that point in

612
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Speaker 3: the first place, and it was rough those seven weeks

613
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: he could not throw his curveball or a slider for

614
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Speaker 3: a strike whatsoever. He got fortunate that he found his

615
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Speaker 3: change up. I mean, Blake Snell did not like his

616
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Speaker 3: change up in previous years. All of a sudden, the

617
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: curve andslider were gone and he had to do it.

618
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, this is actually working. This

619
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: is great, finally awesome. And I just don't think that

620
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Speaker 3: we're gonna see that same performance.

621
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Speaker 4: I mean, we can't.

622
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Speaker 3: It was a one twenty array over what nineteen starts

623
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: or something ridiculous like that's not gonna happen again. Oh

624
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: and by the way, it was still a one nineteen

625
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: whip over the way too, Like it wasn't as if

626
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: he did this method with the higher walks, and it

627
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: was such a dramatic drop in hits that he had

628
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: a good whip too, he didn't. It was just the

629
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: array and obviously the strikeouts that we care about. So

630
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, he's not an innings guy.

631
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: He's not an a fishing pitcher to go six constantly

632
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: or even push that mark. He had to do exactly

633
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: the right stuff in a contract year to make it

634
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: work for him to be the guy he was.

635
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Speaker 4: And while on the other side you have Bobby Miller,

636
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Speaker 4: who was so good.

637
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: He has all of his pitches are amazing and his

638
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: slider is going to be better. If I have to

639
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: make one bet this year, it's that Bobby Miller slider

640
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: improves because it should be so much better. He was

641
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: missing just the hair outside of the zone down in

642
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: a way, which is where you want to be. You

643
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: just got to like it a little bit closer. And

644
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: it's not like a shotgun blast of missing. It's like, oh,

645
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: that's just a little tweak I need to make. And

646
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Speaker 3: it's such a good context with a team honestly, like

647
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: Yamamoto and Bobby Miller, they're gonna look super similar at

648
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: the end of the year, and the fact that Yamo's

649
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: going so much higher is that's you know why hight

650
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: I go for Yamamoto when you got Bobby Miller at home.

651
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Speaker 1: That's the most interesting thing. Who has more innings at

652
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Speaker 1: the end of the year.

653
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Speaker 4: Honestly, Bobby Miller.

654
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: That's what I would say too, because I.

655
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Think the Dodgers are going to say, you know what, Yamo,

656
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: we have for ten years, is your first transition over

657
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: while Bobby Miller was prepped for this year last season, right.

658
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to be real quick

659
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: before we get out of this tier is lightning round.

660
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Zach Efflin last year revelation another one of these guys,

661
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay raised. They find a pitcher, they fix it

662
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: pitcher and he's great. Do we get better, worse or

663
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: same out of Zach Eflin next year Welsh better worse

664
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: or same your expectations for him?

665
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: I think slightly better.

666
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: I'm not.

667
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm in the camp of like the

668
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: insane projections of like I think it's like atc or

669
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: bat whatever it was was like eleventh pitcher, auction calculator

670
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean the rays

671
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: tend to make these guys better. He's going to be

672
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: a workhorse. I'm but I don't think he's going to

673
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: take an exponential jump where he is SP ten or

674
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: twelve or something like that where projections are So I'll say,

675
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: slight boost Nick.

676
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: How can he be better?

677
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: That's the thing is, like I look at that last

678
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: year and I see Zach Eflin squeezing everything out of

679
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: what he had to the fact that even his for seamer,

680
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: which is by all metrics horrific, all of a sudden,

681
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: was effective for him because he threw seventy five percent

682
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: of the time and two strike counts upstairs and he

683
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: got swinging strikes on that and got some strikeouts.

684
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: Like he found a way to make that pitch work

685
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: for him.

686
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: So I see a season of a guy finding a

687
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: cutter that the race taught him doing the most he

688
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: could possibly get out that there's no way there's another level.

689
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess maybe the e ar a could

690
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: be more fortunate than a three to five. But I

691
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: think that you're gonna see a worst season. That doesn't

692
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: mean he's gonna be bad. I actually like e Flyn

693
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: more than Uri Peiz, for example, I have him around twenty.

694
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I thinkstand because you're also getting a guy with who's

695
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna give you more innings potentially, and as you said,

696
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more polish the.

697
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: The ATC thing that you're seeing or the high projection

698
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: that I get, because they don't seem they see him

699
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: going every five days and averaging six six a game.

700
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: You know that's a getting that on a winning ball club,

701
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: and your good picture means you shouldn't get ten wins,

702
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: you should get closer to fifteen, right, and that's gonna

703
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: push up all of those player raiders, all of those

704
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: auction calculators a ton because just the difference of one

705
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: win is such a massive boost.

706
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 4: So that's why you have that you on here, Yeah,

707
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: he's good.

708
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: To the SP three group here starting at twenty five,

709
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Hays Loose, Lozardo, Joe Ryan, Justin Steele, your new best Friend, Welsh,

710
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: Joe Muskrove, Cole, Reagan's Tanner byby Dylan Cees, Sonny Gray, Walker, Buehler,

711
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander, Chris Bassett, and Hunter Green at thirty six.

712
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: So let's start Reagans because that's the guy that you're

713
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: super excited about. So he is all the way right

714
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: now being drafted as SP twenty nine according to fantasypros

715
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: dot Com. Again, you can go check it out there. Also,

716
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: why you're there, you might as well check out the

717
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: draft kid, it's free. So tell me about why this

718
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: ranking is so wrong.

719
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: Cole Reagan's is a unicorn. He throws five pitches that

720
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: are all fantastic. He throws through ninety six.

721
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: So why was he traded? I guess that. I guess

722
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: that that's.

723
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: Kind of whatever. Okay, So there's two parts of it.

724
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: Two parts of it.

725
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's an organization that could use some

726
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: young pitching. I understand they went only in they won

727
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: the World Series, Like, I get that. But at the

728
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: same time, if he's you know, and I know it when.

729
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: You see guy traded, if I'm gonna try my best

730
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: as a as an analyst to say that all organizations

731
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: are making the smartest moves for them, then like we're

732
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: not gonna have a good time.

733
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Of course not that.

734
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: And for James Shield, he also I did.

735
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Not have very young at the time, and it was

736
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: very projectable at the time. It was still very down

737
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: the road. We're talking about a guy that they traded

738
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and went off. So went off to an extent that

739
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock is so excited about.

740
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Him right now that might just be a developmental thing though.

741
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: That's that's the tough part. Like that actually might be

742
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: a criticism to how.

743
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: A few starts in season. It's not like they have

744
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: him for a year in the organization and turned him around.

745
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: For a Rangers team to look at him and then

746
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: a Royals team to get a hold and unlock four

747
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: miles per or Velo and have him be and be

748
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: able to utilize, Like this guy needs to start showing

749
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: throwing a slider that maybe shows something to the hands

750
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: on pitching development of maybe hey, let's just let these

751
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: guys who have the stuff do it instead of let's

752
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: get this guy into the best place.

753
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm playing Devil's Advocate, but I'm doing it for a

754
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: reason because we've seen this before work. I gets traded

755
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he pops for a short

756
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: period of time, but then it doesn't follow up. It

757
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: has happened many times, so I want to know why

758
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: this is different.

759
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: Okay, we need to.

760
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: There's so much misinformation game thrown around here. I need

761
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: to I need to correct a lot of things.

762
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: What is the misinformation.

763
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: I know.

764
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

765
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: Of course someone say things that you would think we're

766
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: not we're misinformation. So first and foremost, the story of

767
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Cole Reagan's is pretty simple. He was thrown two in

768
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two with the Rangers, worked with Treid Athletics,

769
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: who actually already had started to unlock his velocity in

770
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: the off season. The talk of the town in Texas

771
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: in spring training was Cole Reagan's because he was throwing hardy,

772
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: he was looking really good.

773
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: It's exciting.

774
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: Then he actually made some appearances in as a reliever.

775
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: I remember one specific one. If you follow my sp

776
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: round up during the season, you'll go back and look

777
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: at this blurb where he had an opener. He came

778
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: in and he threw four innings, sitting at ninety six

779
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: and actually being on the top of his zone as

780
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: a ranger. I believe back in April he didn't do

781
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: well in that start because he didn't have a slider

782
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: yet and he was still kind of raw with figuring

783
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: this out and he had not essentially gone the time

784
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 3: in the development to get to that place. So then

785
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: he gets traded to the Royals, and even before then

786
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: he started thinking I need something to get lefties out,

787
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: and when he went to the Royals, he was able

788
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: to then not be in this relief role with the Rangers,

789
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: but actually began as a starter again and considered getting

790
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: adding a slider, worked with Tread, had a conversation with

791
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: the Royals, Hey, is it okay if I can throw

792
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: my slider? They said yes, again, it's in that interview.

793
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: You can go check it out, and he started to

794
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: throw the slider, which all of a sudden not only

795
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: was a lefty killer, but it became a major strikeout

796
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: pitch for righty's too. And it wasn't necessarily the Royals

797
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: being like, cool, we're amazing and we figured this out.

798
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily the Rangers being like, oh, I didn't

799
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: know that he had all this stuff and we didn't.

800
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: It was him on his own going to Tread and

801
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: figuring this out, and then the Rangers not having a

802
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: situation where they could push him as a starter to

803
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: then get to that point of saying, hey, look, we

804
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: should maybe develop a slider with you.

805
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: So it just happened to work in that way.

806
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: Should the Rangers have maybe been a little bit more

807
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: invested in Reagan's before the trade I think so. I

808
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: was very intrigued by him before the trade. The long

809
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: story here is that you see Reagans do well, and

810
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: you can do this two ways. You can do it

811
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: as well. Here are the numbers, and that just doesn't

812
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: seem sustainable because because he wasn't as good before and

813
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: now he's this, and that just feels like it's not real.

814
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: Or you can be like me who watches.

815
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: Every single Cole Reagan's start live streamed with my community

816
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: and breaks down every single pitch he throws. And as

817
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: someone who has watched a lot of pitching in my day,

818
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: I see this guy and I go, oh my gosh,

819
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: this is so good and so real and it's amazing.

820
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: He throws at times it's ninety nine one hundred miles

821
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: per hour from the left side, with a cutter to

822
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: debilitate right handers inside when they want to stand in

823
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: that fastball, and a legit cutter he trusted in three

824
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: two counts, and a gyro slider that beats him back

825
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: foot and a kerbolly goes for strikes, and of course,

826
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, he has this tool against lefties. Now,

827
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: I don't think all of a sudden we're gonna see

828
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: Cole Reagan's just not have these skills next year. If anything,

829
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: I would actually suggest it's more sustainable. You're going to

830
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: see the walk rate that is nine to ten percent,

831
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: nine point seven I believe it is for Reagan's last year.

832
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: But then you also remember that you had these starts

833
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: that the Royals should have pulled him. Where he walked

834
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: three Jay's batters in a row in the sixth inning.

835
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: How you do that over ninety pitches and you're not

836
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: out by the second batter you walk is beyond me.

837
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: Then you have the start against their astros. They did

838
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: the same thing again and they didn't pull him, And

839
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, wait a second, in a small sample,

840
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: six walks like that, that's gonna make your walk rate

841
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: look at nine point seven percent, it said like seven

842
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 3: or eight percent.

843
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: That's the difference.

844
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: So I think anyone that's looking overlooking Cole Reagan's and

845
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: wants to go after other risky guys and just saying like, well, no,

846
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: it's still not over for this small sample, I think

847
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: this is this is one of the guys I look

848
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: at and I just go, no, this is the real deal.

849
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be anything? Every single time.

850
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: No, but this is the kind of guy that I

851
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: absolutely want inside my top twenty. I actually have him

852
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: at fourteen right now, and I feel very good about that.

853
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: I guess I guess the point I'm making is that

854
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: no one's overlooking him. Number one, number.

855
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 4: Two is a twenty nine.

856
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: They are at twenty nine so far on the ADP.

857
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: But if you, you know, out there in the streets

858
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: right now, on the fans face, come on, baseball can

859
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: be It's the same with the football. We talk about

860
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: a guy, talk about a guy. The next thing you

861
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: know that twenty nine becomes nineteen. It should in two weeks,

862
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: and maybe and maybe it should. But I guess the

863
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: whole point I'm making is it is a smaller sample,

864
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: and if we're gonna kill guys sometimes on smaller samples.

865
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the minor league

866
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: track record of this guy who won a three seven

867
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: to two ERA over two hundred and sixty innings, hold

868
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: all the way way wait, I'd let you go on

869
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: the diet tribe for like twenty minutes.

870
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: I get like.

871
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Five, I get five four point one walks per nine

872
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: right in his minor league career. So I'm not saying

873
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: a guy can't go on his own and get better.

874
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: I can't say a guy can't go and learn new pitch.

875
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: But we all knew what Randy Johnson was, you know,

876
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: when he was in Montreal before he went to Seattle,

877
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: and then you know how things evolved and changed for

878
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: him and he came with the greatest pitches of all time.

879
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's Randy Johnson, he's gonna become

880
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: that either. I'm saying is I feel like we're in

881
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: a tenuous spot here and Welsh, let you be the

882
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: guy in the middle here, because where Reagan's is currently

883
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: being drafted. To me, it feels like a spot where, yeah,

884
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: he still kind of has to be the guy. Uote

885
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: unquote that you think he is going to be in

886
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: the top thirty pictures because he's going right around guys

887
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: like Joe Muscrove who have already shown you you know,

888
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: they were in the running for Cy Young two years ago.

889
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: It really is going to also depend on risk management

890
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: versus what you're trying to do in constructing. I think

891
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 2: from a fantasy construction standpoint, I mean, I won't speak

892
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: on Cole Reagans, Nick Proof, we're not allowed to speak

893
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: on Cole Wagans. We're misinformation. We don't know what we're

894
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: talking about.

895
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, we can't get a school about col Rag And

896
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: I like, not that I don't like him. You've got

897
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: an amazing information about him. However, it's it feels like

898
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, like all we want to see

899
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: is the positives. And I'm saying, whenever a guy gets

900
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: dealt and all of a sudden, you know, pops off

901
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: like that. To me, it's one of those things, Well,

902
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: that's very surprising when you see a young picture or

903
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: anybody get dealt in season and all of a sudden

904
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: become a guy like that, I think he's well worth

905
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: the risk. Very odd that they make a mistake and

906
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: it happens like that that quickly.

907
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: I think he's well worth the risk in what you're

908
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: doing in fantasy, getting outside of all the minutia about

909
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: the picture that he is and how good he's going

910
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: to be and all of the inner workings, Like from

911
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: just the pure fantasy perspective of like roster construction, I

912
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: think he's wildly underrated. And you have to take shots

913
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: in what you're doing and constructing a rotation, and I

914
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: would absolutely want him, And I'm a George Kirby like

915
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: zach Ef Flynn, low walks, not chasing strikeouts type of

916
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: guy in fantasy this year, and I love the idea

917
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: of pairing Reagans with him. I don't have him at fourteen.

918
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: I think of Reagan's at twenty or twenty one. I'm

919
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: not looking at my ranks right now, but like it

920
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: is multiple pitches that look like they are continuing to progress,

921
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: and that slider's awesome, the fastball is awesome, the royals

922
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: has done great that he has obviously done great things

923
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: in the offseason. So I am I'm down. He is

924
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: just he is criminally underrated.

925
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I do agree.

926
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: Right, let's move on before let me leave me.

927
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: Let me pitching guy, not the ultimate Cole Reagan's guide,

928
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: now many other guys.

929
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: All I'm gonna say is that you say that small

930
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: sample of Reagan's and then there's all these other small

931
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: sample guys that everyone's jumping on and said, trek School,

932
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: why are we not doing the same thing.

933
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: I agree, he's I'm but the same thing, you're killing Schooble.

934
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: But then you're saying right and I understand the same

935
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: to each other and you probably and and you're right

936
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: they should be closer to each other. I agree.

937
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: I think also you're arguing against us like we are

938
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 2: the twenty nine. I'm not the twenty nine.

939
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 4: Like the the ECR.

940
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: The consentous ranks that has it at twenty nine all agree.

941
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: It's all around agree it's too low. I don't think

942
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Reagan's is far from Lizardo. I don't think I think

943
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: too many people weren't having the Reagans schoobl conversation. I

944
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: completely agree we are not the ECR.

945
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: So we are with you on that.

946
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: Sh anybody listening and understanding that.

947
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'll take Justin Steel over all of them. But

948
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next grouping here. Walker Buehler

949
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: versus Hunter Green. Let's keep this simple. Walker Buehler, Hunter Green.

950
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: They're both on the board. Need a picture, Welsh, Who

951
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: do you want?

952
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: Oh God, a catcher. I would rather go a catcher probably,

953
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: So I think I'm I think I'm out on Bueller.

954
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm out on Bueller. I can't mess around

955
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: with it this year. I'm optimistic about Hunter Green adding

956
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: the was it the curveball? And I think at the

957
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: splitter just trying trying to get hitters off the fastball

958
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: a little bit, making a little bit more efficient. That's

959
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: what he did with a slider, So I'm down with that.

960
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't love Hunter Green, but I really don't like

961
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: the injury stuff, with not only everything we talked about earlier,

962
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: with the six man rotation and guy's not getting innings

963
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: but him not starting. I can't do the Walker Bueler

964
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: stuff this year, So I guess I would pick.

965
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: Hunter Green Bueler of Green Pollock well under thirty minutes.

966
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got you.

967
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: Don't worry.

968
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 4: You're not gonna listen to it anyway.

969
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I do listen to it. I listened to it. I

970
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: love to understand that he had been working all season

971
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: on it and then he got to show his toy,

972
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: and now the league's gonna see it and they're gonna

973
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: adjust to him. I get it. I've been around a

974
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: long time.

975
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: Walker Wheeler's Hunter Green. It's pretty simple.

976
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: If the Dieters are actually putting Bueler on the ael

977
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: one Bueler, I don't know. Actually, this is something I

978
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: was thinking about, is concidering he's still not back technically

979
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: from Tommy John. Is it actually going to be an

980
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: eyel stint. If it isn't, yes, I'm so in. If

981
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: it's not, that means that I need to actually have

982
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: him on my bench, which is terrible. I don't want

983
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: to have a stash for six weeks or something like that.

984
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: That we're also spot is so valuable. On the other side,

985
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: Hunter Green is your perfect example of a high stuff

986
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: guy who does not have good command, and in my view,

987
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: those are what I call cherrybombs, and you're never going

988
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: to get up to a place as a fantasy manager

989
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 3: where you feel confident in Hunter Green every single start,

990
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: it's going to be really good, then really bad. They're

991
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: really good, They're really bad, and I hate those guys.

992
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with them. Those are

993
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: league killers in my view. So I actually have Hunter

994
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 3: Green so far down my rankings just because I can't

995
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: believe it and whatsoever. And there will be amazing, sparkling starts,

996
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: but I'm just not going to do it. So I

997
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: guess just in the chance of dealers in the AL,

998
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: I'll go with him.

999
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some pitching one year wonder. Some great

1000
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: names on this list here, Mike Foltonevitch, Brian Maddis. Oh,

1001
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: these are like the guys of yesteryear. I just wanted

1002
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: to see, like the guys, maybe they kind of popped

1003
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. We'll see, we'll see what they are.

1004
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: Daniel Norris, remember the Daniel Norris. Wow, that was some fun. Yeah,

1005
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: all right, let's continue on here with the next grouping,

1006
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: the sp four's. We've got Chris I at thirty seven,

1007
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Merle Kelly our boy Merle, and then thirty nine. Jordan

1008
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Montgomery is still looking for a team. I don't know

1009
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: why Jordan Montgomery so low on this list. I just

1010
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: don't understand. Michael King my favorite thing ever at number forty,

1011
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: Bailey Ober at forty one, Mitch Keller, Carlos Rodon Welsh's

1012
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: best friend, Shane Bieber, Gavin Williams, Hunter Brown, You, Darvish,

1013
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: and Jose Burrio. So let's start with Michael King, Nick Pollock, Welsh. Look,

1014
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Welsh and I have talked about Michael King a lot.

1015
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I feel like Nick, I like you to I'd like

1016
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: you to talk about Michael King, and I'd really like

1017
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: you to say nice things because if you don't, you're

1018
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna make us very depressed. Well, I love Michael King,

1019
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: So yay, see we can all be friends again.

1020
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: Of course we can. And Michael King is nothing makes

1021
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: me happier when you ask the command pich.

1022
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: It's such a cute upset face. I love it. It's

1023
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: my favorite thing.

1024
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's a terrible thing for you to like.

1025
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: Michael King has a phenomenal slider that he improved when

1026
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: he actually went into the rotation. Has change up is fantastic,

1027
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 3: really good singer. The biggest question mark is our are

1028
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: you going to do well enough against lefties? When you

1029
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: think about pictures is just about all right? What are

1030
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: your weapons against right is? If you're a sinker sweeper guy,

1031
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: that means you do not have a whip weapon against

1032
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: the lefties. So the change it really helps the four

1033
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: seamer can help against lefties. It's gonna be a little

1034
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: bit worse. And that's the biggest knock I have against King.

1035
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: I also am a little worried about fatigue, considering that

1036
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: he has dealt with injury before and he hasn't really

1037
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 3: showcased he can go every five days consistently. That said,

1038
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: it's a good team context I think for King, and

1039
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 3: he has a really stable arsenal. It's a higher floor

1040
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: as far as the skills go than a lot of

1041
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: other guys in this way. I mean Jordan Montgomery I

1042
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: don't want to touch as someone who just did super

1043
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: well in the postseason, was able to finally have a

1044
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: good command for a second, but his arsenal is far

1045
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: worse than Michael King.

1046
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: So I want Michael King there.

1047
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on King? What if that's on

1048
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: Bailey Ober, because I'm a huge Michael King by the

1049
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: King guy. By the way, it also very reminiscent of

1050
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: like Brendan Fought. Brendan Fott has like the little bit

1051
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: heavier stuff, but it's a mix and then moving on

1052
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: them out it's sweeper fastball change up. He added the

1053
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: sinker to the exact same pitch. Maybe they're used to

1054
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: utilized a little bit differently, and.

1055
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 4: Vilo's are very similar.

1056
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I love those guys. But coming back to

1057
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: Bailey over what is really attracted about Bailey over comes

1058
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: back to my type of pitcher this year, it's like

1059
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: the low walk you know, mid strikeout type of guy,

1060
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: the command pitcher. I mean, lo low five percent walk

1061
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: rate K minus walk percentage really solid this year. He's

1062
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: pretty a popular sleeper. Is he in the you know,

1063
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: breakout sleeper territory for you this year?

1064
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: Well, it's hard because he's at forty one here to

1065
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: say that, it's pretty much well there goes king in

1066
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 3: and over as our sleepers, right.

1067
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: Well, I mean but forties, like I mean, do they

1068
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: have top thirty upside? I guess Kim King and over?

1069
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1070
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: I call it the over the Bailey special last year

1071
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: anytime that Bailey pitched, because it was essentially six innings

1072
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: like two three on runs with like six seven base

1073
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: runners and it was just like yep, like clockwork.

1074
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: He would just do that.

1075
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: And he's someone who throws surprisingly soft for being as

1076
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: large as he is. It's like ninety one miles per

1077
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: hour and so like ninety five concerns like sixty seven

1078
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: or something. But he has a good extension because of that,

1079
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: and he hits the top of the zone super well.

1080
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: That he's Bailey Ober Rizzy, if you remember, Jacotorizzy would

1081
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: do this constantly, and that's my name for Bailey, so

1082
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: I dig it. He also pairs it with an amazing

1083
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: change up and actually our repeal v Pictules's projections have

1084
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: Bailey ober inside the top twenty of starters because of

1085
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: how much it loves his change up in four seemer

1086
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: So that's fun and I'm a fan of it. I

1087
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: do question the ceiling for ober I don't think he

1088
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: has a true incredible put away offering. That's the biggest

1089
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: problem for the strikeoutside. But I think he does a

1090
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: great job of inducing wee contact and I think he's

1091
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: going to be a consistent guy for the twins. Also,

1092
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: I hope it's one hundred eighty innings, but he hasn't

1093
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: really shown that he can do that. He had fatigue

1094
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: last year and he got removed from the rotation by

1095
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: the end for a moment because of it.

1096
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: But I like Bailey Obert.

1097
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: I just don't want to have to pay super high

1098
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: for I don't want to go like inside the first

1099
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: ten rounds if I can avoid it.

1100
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: What about Carlos Rodin Welsh is very in on him. Yeah,

1101
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I understand the roll of the dice in the upside here,

1102
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: but to me it's still a little too rich for

1103
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: my blood? Is it too rich for years? Nick?

1104
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: Well at forty three.

1105
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: It's my philosophy is you have to get four pitchers

1106
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: that you trust they are going to not be dropped

1107
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: throughout the year, and not by injury, just by by

1108
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: essentially saying like, if they are pitching, I'm happy they're

1109
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: on my team, and that means I'm not a risky

1110
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: thing and you can get four of them, especially if

1111
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: you jump a little bit in those in those rounds

1112
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: like seven through ten, which I like to do. I

1113
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: think that's where the best value lies for starting pitch hitter.

1114
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: So that means I can get four guys. If I

1115
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: can get four guys before I take Rodan, then I'm okay,

1116
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: because that's one of the greatest risk of war picks

1117
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 3: you can think of, where it's either going to work,

1118
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: where he's going to be healthy. He had a forum

1119
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: stream last year, which always scares me. So why I'm

1120
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: a little bit lower on Max Freed as well, and

1121
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: I hope that's healed properly. The word right now is

1122
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: that his velocity is higher than it was last year.

1123
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot of hitting things. No

1124
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: matter about hit again, it's about sitting. If he's sitting

1125
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: ninety five ninety six in the spring, that's what we

1126
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: want to see. Ninety four is not good enough, that's

1127
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: ninety six is really where he starts to soar, and

1128
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: if Rodan can do that, great. Understand that even if

1129
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: he's doing well in April does not mean you've won.

1130
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: It's about him actually surviving a full year. That's the

1131
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 3: scary part about Rodin. So I like taking the chance

1132
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: because this is an impact play and you will also

1133
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: be able to know if it doesn't work early, if

1134
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: his velocity is still down at the beginning of the year,

1135
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: and if he's hurt rephrased.

1136
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Would you take that risk? I understand taking it in

1137
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, snake draft. Would you do it in the

1138
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: salary cap league?

1139
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: Ah?

1140
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a little more dangerous.

1141
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: It depends on where the dollar value is on that.

1142
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1143
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: I would be more hesitant to go after it in

1144
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: those because I think there are a lot of really

1145
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: good value starters that you can get and that you

1146
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: would normally be able to get in a snake draft.

1147
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Right, let's do a versus year at SP four Mitch Keller,

1148
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: who was fantastic for the first half of the season

1149
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: and then the wheels came off, but the strikeout rate

1150
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: did stay. Or you Darvish who we've seen the terrible

1151
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: bounce back for a great year. Well, shoul, would you

1152
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: rather have Mitch Keller? You, Darvish.

1153
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: I you know what always stands out to me. When

1154
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: I was getting to hang with Corby and Carroll, he

1155
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: had said we'd asked him, like, who is.

1156
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: The nastiest pitcher? Pick up this name you dropped?

1157
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I don't. I

1158
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: don't have the accolades of some on here, but I

1159
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: can mention a couple of names. Is Carol. We asked him,

1160
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: who is like the nastiest picture you faced all year?

1161
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: And he thought about it for a second and then

1162
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: he was like, you know what he's like, Mitch Keller,

1163
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: He said, Mitch Keller. He's like his performance wasn't great,

1164
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: but you didn't know what the hell was coming at

1165
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: any point. All of that said, I would go with you, Darbish,

1166
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: because I just didn't if you want to it just

1167
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: it just stood out to me. But Darvish, I just like,

1168
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: I have a hard time betting against him. The health

1169
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: was weird last year. I kind of want to buy

1170
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: back in. I think he's like really cheap, so I go, Darvish.

1171
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: It's the age that concerns me. It's like he's this

1172
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: guy keeps getting off the mat time and time again.

1173
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: You Darvish, and you know I've been fooled before, and

1174
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: I almost feel like I'm gonna get fooled this time.

1175
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: But Nick, I mean, when the age starts to creep in,

1176
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: maybe there isn't a bounce back here.

1177
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny you say you don't know what's coming,

1178
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: and you weren't talking about Darvish like he's the king

1179
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: of how many pitches does he throw? What's actually interesting

1180
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: about Darvish to me is I've been being the drum

1181
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: a lot about Hey, Darvish, you have these ten pitches

1182
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: in actuality, you don't need to learn anything new.

1183
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: You have elite pitches inside of this. It's just about

1184
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: four of those.

1185
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: And I very much believe there is a blueprint with

1186
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: Darvish's arsenal that is elite. What we saw last year

1187
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: was him figuring it out and acting more like a

1188
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: canvas of just kind of what do I have to say?

1189
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: I'll figure this out and try and go from there,

1190
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: leaning too much, kind of sinker sweeper. And there were

1191
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: starts where Alfson was furs, he was upstairs. It was

1192
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: a cutter for strikes. It was a gyro slider and

1193
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: the sweeper and then the sinkers at the right times,

1194
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: and it was glorious and that is still there. And

1195
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: also the injury that he had was removing I believe

1196
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: it was bone spurs from his elbow, which is the

1197
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: best thing to hear. That is always good. That is

1198
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: not damage that you want back. That is him making

1199
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: himself better instead of like the UCL tear, which is

1200
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: you're going to get a worse version of the standard

1201
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: now that it's broken. So I am a huge believer

1202
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: in Darbish. I have him side my top thirty five,

1203
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: and I think he's someone that I trust the entire year.

1204
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: So I'm on the other side. It's Mitch Keller with

1205
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: literally one of the worst fastballs in the game. It

1206
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: doesn't matter the velocity of it. Its shape is what

1207
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: we call dead zone fastball, and it gets destroyed. Now

1208
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 3: the cutter, when he's able to locate it, is great.

1209
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes the sinker can set up well, and there are

1210
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: many times the slider is filthy. But I don't actually

1211
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: see Keller as a consistent command guy. I don't think

1212
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: his approach is that great. I don't have as much

1213
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: faith in the Pittsburgh Pirates to really figure it out.

1214
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: Maybe his work with tread is going to help and

1215
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: bring it over. We did see an improvement last year

1216
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 3: from Mitch Keller, but there's still too much to fix

1217
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: in a worst team context, and that has me favoring darbish.

1218
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the sp fives. Here. These

1219
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: are the guys going outside of the top fifty. I'm

1220
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: not gonna run through the names, which is gonna highlight

1221
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: a few. I want to start with the Monaga because

1222
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: Shutdow with Minaga is going at the sixty first pitcher

1223
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: off the board, and Nick you mentioned before the show

1224
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: that you're high on him, and so am I. I

1225
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: look at the difference between Yamamoto and Imanaga, and I'm

1226
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: looking at not the I think they're close in terms

1227
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: of stuff quote unquote, but I think in terms of

1228
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: what you're getting in your turn on investment, I think

1229
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. I think I'd rather in redraft.

1230
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm Minauga, So you tend to agree with me here,

1231
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: not even close.

1232
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: The Cub's got the greatest free agent signing of this offseason,

1233
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: and it's not I don't understand it.

1234
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: Actually, you say.

1235
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: Quote a little fanfare too.

1236
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: I feel like it's absolutely bonkers to me.

1237
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: I the WBC, you know, sorrys the stuff plus everyone

1238
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: the pitch then that Yamamoto was number two and stuff

1239
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: plus and Minaga was number one, And that's not in command,

1240
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: that's just in stuff. And the reason for that is

1241
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: I was talking about those fastball shapes. Yeah, vert, super high,

1242
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: VA excellent, extension, excellent, and Minaga has it. And guess

1243
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: what he has command? The market inefficiency is command. We

1244
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: talk so much about stuff, but those that actually have

1245
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: above a threshold of good enough stuff with command are

1246
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: the ones that are actual ases. And in Monaga, we

1247
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: know has stuff and he has good command. This is

1248
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: a guy that is just set up to succeed. And

1249
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna say, oh no, the flyball rates the home runs.

1250
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: That's where we're terrified of. Lance Bezowski has a fantastic

1251
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: chart of where his four singers were located. And in Japan,

1252
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: it's not actually that you're as incentivized to go high

1253
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: with four seemers. You actually, because they're not home run guys,

1254
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: you can go around the zone much better. In the

1255
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: majors here you want to go upstairs and his four

1256
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: seamers made for and he can do it. It wasn't

1257
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: like he located differently because he didn't have the command

1258
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: of it. Like he just had a different approach. And

1259
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: Minaga is gonna sar four pitches. It's just get him everywhere.

1260
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: That's it. I agree, Brendan Fopp is your guy Welsh

1261
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: in this grouping. You saw enough last year, especially down

1262
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: the stretch into the playoffs, where you felt like this

1263
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: kid turned a corner. Do you think it's sustainable though,

1264
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: because last year it was a lot of valleys when

1265
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: it came to Faud.

1266
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the valleys were a lot smaller. Once Strom

1267
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: moved him on the rubber. We saw that full mix

1268
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: of sinker being able to come on the outside. You

1269
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: got the change up, you got the sweeper, you got

1270
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: the fastball, four pitch mix that he felt more comfortable with.

1271
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: It was a Diamondbacks camp two days ago and just

1272
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: a unique thing that happened. I get the yap with

1273
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: him right after through a session to Katel, Marte, Heraldo

1274
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: Perdomo and Christian Walker, and during that session we did

1275
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: not hear one bat on a ball and we asked

1276
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: him about that and he didn't He just smiled. He

1277
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: just smiled. He's like it was a good session. Nobody

1278
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: was on his stuff. I think he's primed. I don't

1279
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be some ace or anything like that,

1280
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: but I think they made the proper changes for him

1281
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: to utilize the guy that went one hundred and eighty

1282
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: and the miners lead the minor leagues in strikeouts, and

1283
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: he can be a really good like SP. I think

1284
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: he can be an SP three in fantasy, which is

1285
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: along those lines of being like, you know, an SP

1286
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty. I think he can get there, but

1287
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: it could fall apart because he's got home run problems

1288
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 2: for sure.

1289
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: Just at a curiousity, I was looking at this one

1290
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: Year Wonder picture list. It's not from picture list, dude,

1291
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: but actually you should put a picture list together the

1292
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: one year Wonders. Were you a Danelson lamette guy back

1293
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one? Oh?

1294
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 4: That was so fun?

1295
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: Him twenty twenty was just I mean, we always knew

1296
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: that he had the best slider, but then all of

1297
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: a sudden, going from like ninety six to ninety nine

1298
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: was stupid. I wish I knew all these things about

1299
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: fastball shape and we had that data back then which

1300
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: we didn't have.

1301
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: You gone back, and that'd be fascinating to go back

1302
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: and look and see where these guys really as well.

1303
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: All Right, That's actually one of the fun parts for

1304
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: me of this is understanding my assessments of these guys

1305
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: and seeing like what I missed and what I didn't

1306
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: and how shape has changed and stuff.

1307
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: Also sticking was a big part of it.

1308
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: Keep in mind, so like Walker Bueler is forcing her

1309
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: used to be elite and now it's not, and that

1310
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: has really more worried to I want.

1311
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: I want to see you about one guy because I

1312
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: talked to him the other day. It was Brian Wu.

1313
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: Everyone's made a big deal about the fastball and I

1314
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: asked Brian, I said, are you going to add any pitches?

1315
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: And he went no, He's like, I'm not doing anything.

1316
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not gonna do anything. I said, what

1317
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: about the splitters. I'm like, all the dudes. You got

1318
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: Kirby and you got Gilbert. And he looked at me

1319
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm not joining the splitter mafia. And

1320
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: then we had a little bit more conversation and I

1321
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: loved that quote. The splitter Mafia a lot has been

1322
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: made because splitter is kind of the new splitters, this

1323
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: year's sweeper in the new edition. So I'm just curious

1324
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: if you think WU is fine enough in that no

1325
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: addition to what he's doing with the fast.

1326
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, are you saying this because of my

1327
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: whole stance on splitters?

1328
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: Is this the no?

1329
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: I mean, just everybody's adding and it was just my

1330
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: favorite quote.

1331
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1332
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 4: I love that splitter mafia is great, and I love

1333
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: Wu more.

1334
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Funny, I do get to make that one Welsh though.

1335
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: Don't let him make that teacher that's arm.

1336
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: Don't worry. I can come up with my own things,

1337
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 4: thank you. H No.

1338
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: I actually just did just an episode of The Craft

1339
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: with the end of before this, and we talked about

1340
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Wu in and Bryce Miller throwing splitters or not right,

1341
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: And actually I do think that WU could benefit from

1342
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: a splitter, but it's not in a necessity. I see

1343
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: splitters as a they fill a certain need and what

1344
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: that is generally against opposite handed batters. It gives you

1345
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: a potaway pitch, that's what they do. They are not

1346
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: strike earners, and if you are a pitchers that needs

1347
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: strikes against opposite handed batters. Splitters are not it, Sorry,

1348
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: Bryce Miller, Okay, it's it's they think of like Tyler

1349
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: Glas not trying to throw a change up or a

1350
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: splider back in the day. That wasn't the answer. It

1351
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: was a slider in the zone to throw strikes. That's

1352
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: when he needed. So with Brian Wu, yeah, he has

1353
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: all the tools he needs. He has a four seamer

1354
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: that works against both rights and lefties. His biggest need

1355
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: is he doesn't have anything else currently that is working

1356
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: against lefties. And you could say, maybe that could be

1357
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: a splitter. Maybe, But he also has a cutter and

1358
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: he locates it low and down and no, you have

1359
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: a slider for that.

1360
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: The cutter is already there and good.

1361
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: He just needs to get it upstairs and actually in

1362
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: on left ease. He can even surprise if he wants

1363
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: with an upstairs sinker too, which is great. But right

1364
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: Andrews destroys. He has all the duels against Right Andrews.

1365
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: I love Brian Wu. I think they star them every

1366
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: five days, And when I think about innings for the

1367
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 3: year ahead, I just think about it, is this team

1368
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: going to let this guy start every five days? And

1369
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: the answer is yes, then we say, great, at the minimum,

1370
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: that's five times thirty, so that's one hundred and fifty.

1371
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: And then let's say he goes to six innings a start,

1372
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: that's one hundred and eighty, and that's thirty starts.

1373
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: And that's how you should think. He's seventy five guys right.

1374
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: Now, right right now, wo and like which is it's

1375
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 4: an overall top seventy five?

1376
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: He's fifty four fifty. I'm sorry, WU is fifty four.

1377
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1378
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big fan of I have WU around

1379
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: thirty five, so I'm very much in. I don't think

1380
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna drop Brian Woo at all. His four seamer

1381
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: has more whiffs than Bryce Miller's guys. He's a better

1382
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: command pitch pitcher than Bryce Miller, and I trust command

1383
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: pitchers who have good stuff.

1384
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: So the question, Nick, who is the best in that

1385
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Seattle rotation in terms of fantasy return on investment? You've

1386
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: got legitimately some really good guy in the rotation that

1387
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: we all like. Is the best?

1388
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: I enjoyed George Kirby. I'm a believer in that. I

1389
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: thought that I was gonna be able to get him

1390
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: like much later, but now all of a sudden. Everyone

1391
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: is in on that, and okay, I blame Welsh. I

1392
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 3: mean I had him in October at like seventh or eighth,

1393
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: but I didn't think like that would actually influence things,

1394
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's what happened. Looking Gilbert, I'm

1395
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: not in on because I don't actually think he is

1396
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: a good command guy gets strikes, but he doesn't he

1397
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to locate his fast but he just

1398
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 3: chucks it and then sometimes he got a slighter better

1399
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: but then it's just weird with Gilbert. Castillo is awesome,

1400
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: but he's going Zach where he should. And between Bryce

1401
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: Miller and Brian Wu, Brian was going way later and

1402
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: Brace Miller is going too early.

1403
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Last question for you, Nick, and fantastic stuff.

1404
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: I love every year when we were to you on

1405
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: the show. It's my favorite things. And you know you're

1406
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: so good rating for us all the time, and you know,

1407
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: well we'll yell about things all the time. Alex Pass

1408
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: isn't here to yell with us today. We're missing from

1409
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: this show. But last question, outside of the top seventy five,

1410
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: who's that guy for you? They keep saying this is

1411
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: well target, this is my dude.

1412
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, okay, if the twins actually say, like

1413
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: Louis Viarland is starting, go get Louis v Island, but

1414
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like that's happening. Cutter Crawford is someone

1415
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 3: that just keeps popping up in our models. He finally

1416
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: improved his cutter, thankfully, so now he has his namesake.

1417
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: But the way they use the lot utilizes his slider

1418
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: as well is way better. Now. His four seamer is excellent.

1419
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: He has a lot of those good metrics we were

1420
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: talking about too. For fastball shape. He's in that situation

1421
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: in Boston. He's locked in that rotation every five days

1422
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: and he's going to get a good amount of wins

1423
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: and he's going to go like six innings and get

1424
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: you twenty five percent. Plestrike, it's a week. Hold on

1425
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: a second, we want this Cutter. Crawford to me, is

1426
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: that guy, and I'm ensuring I have him everywhere.

1427
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny Welsh Pollock mentioned TODs Bradley. That's

1428
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: my guy outside of that top seventy five that I

1429
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: just think was just rushed last year. He was literally

1430
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: like Dante from Clerks. He was not supposed to be there,

1431
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: and he got thrown in a little bit before he

1432
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: should have been and he wasn't quite ready. And I

1433
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: think with the proper mindset this offseason to work out

1434
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: that he can get to that high level. He's a

1435
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: very talented young man.

1436
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: Cutter disappeared. He lost his cutter. He lost his cutter

1437
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: and he had to go back to the miners. And

1438
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: when he was down there, I remember.

1439
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: I was doing that and he wasn't gonna He went

1440
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: back there too.

1441
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: But me and Nino talked about it for like I

1442
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: think three weeks, because he stopped throwing his cutter down

1443
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: there because he and he said he lost it because

1444
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: he got to talk to him that he had lost

1445
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: his cutter, and then we were just all speculating what's

1446
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: it going to happen when he comes back. So that

1447
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: was kind of an.

1448
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: Odd It's a the race said like, hey, cool, we're

1449
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: going to make you focus on fastballs and that's why

1450
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: he lost this cutter.

1451
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1452
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: It's a raising wow outside the ras though, because the

1453
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: rays continuously get the best out of every picture that

1454
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: they touched, So you know, I trust the process there. Well,

1455
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: she was your guy outside top seventy five.

1456
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly. Pavetta is not outside the top seventy five,

1457
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: but he's just one of my guys highest. He had

1458
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: the highest K percentage from July first on and he

1459
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: had the best year over year with percentage change of

1460
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: any starting pitcher. So I love Pavetta this year, and

1461
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: I love body going there and doing stuff. So I'm big,

1462
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: big on him. And if I had to pick somebody

1463
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: outside the top seventy five, actually and that twins, I'm

1464
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: going to look at back at Chris Paddock, you know,

1465
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: like Chris Paddock is going to push on some innings.

1466
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm interested to watch him in speculation hate him.

1467
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: Because he was a two pis pitch pitcher all these years,

1468
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: isn't that?

1469
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also want to see, like what happens

1470
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: in spring?

1471
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: Did we fix that?

1472
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: Like I'm saying speculation at this point, I don't know

1473
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: if I have, like most of the guys i'll side

1474
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: the top seventy five, I probably have in the ones

1475
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: that I really like. Nick Povetta would be one that

1476
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: I like, I have really really high and that I'm into,

1477
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: but I don't know that's one that his peak mates.

1478
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: I will also say Michael Waka By the way, Michael

1479
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: Walka through a session yesterday two days ago against the Royals.

1480
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: He made Bobby Wit. He just had Bobby just flinging

1481
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: around two strikeouts. No one could get any contact. He

1482
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: was setting up change ups.

1483
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 4: For like free, I got, yeah, drafts doing sleeper guys walking.

1484
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like I get there in Kansas City.

1485
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like guys, these guys were

1486
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: tremendous last year. Like for free, I'll take a shot

1487
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: on them for free.

1488
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're they're bordering what I call it, Toby,

1489
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: which is do they push the needle enough? And is

1490
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: it worth it in your drafts to go after them?

1491
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: But if you take both of them in one of

1492
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 4: them works then sure, I mean what is working though

1493
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 4: right like it.

1494
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: More than a streamer, probably probably someone that's not want

1495
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 2: to take that chance As a flyer.

1496
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 3: I'd rather go for DL Hall at the end of

1497
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 3: my drafts and maybe that works out in Milwaukee. That's

1498
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: a bigger impact of it works out. But Walka looked great.

1499
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 3: He looked great, and also Chris Paddock I looked up

1500
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: on the whole cool. He must have had a really

1501
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: good fastball before, especially last year when he came back

1502
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: terrible fastball, and it's actually not nearly as good as.

1503
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: I want to be.

1504
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: He's throwing harder it was in the pen, but as

1505
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: a starter, I'm very worried because I think the fastball's

1506
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 3: Philossy's going to drop and then it's a vulcan change,

1507
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: which is not consistent. It's curveball was always terrible, so

1508
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: I am interested to see what he looks like. I'm

1509
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: not as in on that one, but bit better with

1510
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: the Worldly Birds sweeper. Oh, he's in my top forty.

1511
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: I love him all right, Great stuff, Nick Pollock. As always,

1512
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: it's so fantastic to have you on the program. Make

1513
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: sure you go to picture lists dot com and check

1514
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: out the amazing work. I mean, nobody breaks down pitching

1515
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: better than Nick and his entire team there. We're always

1516
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: so grateful to have him on the program. Obviously, you know,

1517
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: we tried to get to as many pictures today as

1518
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: we thought. We're really the controversial ones, as you could tell,

1519
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: or the guys that we really think needed conversations, and

1520
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: there's nobody better to have those conversations with than you. Nick.

1521
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: You're the best. We love you around these parts Welsh,

1522
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: I love you too. It's a lot of love today

1523
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: at the show. Don't forget subscribe to the channel, drop

1524
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: your comments below. You go in to Jazz Chisholm, Jersey.

1525
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: That'll do it for us, but the story of the

1526
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: game goes on for the Welsh and Nick Pollock, I'm

1527
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids,