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Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, January thirtieth, and we are eighty six
Speaker 2: days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Welcome into the Draft.
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Speaker 2: here at the Star in Frisco. It is All Star
Speaker 2: Game week inside these buildings, inside these walls, in the
Speaker 2: now in.
Speaker 3: Mobile, Alabama as well. We've got the.
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl in town and the Senior Bowl underway practices
Speaker 2: starting this morning from Alabama.
Speaker 3: We have Nick Harris out there. We'll talk to him
Speaker 3: in a moment.
Speaker 2: But inside the studio we've got Bobby Belt, Zach Waltscha,
Speaker 2: Brian brought us Ayisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeolmans. This is
Speaker 2: an exciting time of year, Brian. I mean, you look
Speaker 2: at the prospects, you get to look at the film,
Speaker 2: you get to look at all of this information that
Speaker 2: just is flooding in at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what we do is we've all studied the
Speaker 4: tape and now you get to see the body types
Speaker 4: and now you get to see the movements and stuff live.
Speaker 4: And that's the one thing that really helps you when
Speaker 4: you're evaluating these players.
Speaker 3: That's where these scouts go on the road all year long.
Speaker 4: What are they do and they're going to practices, they're
Speaker 4: watching the tape in the morning, they're catching the practice
Speaker 4: in the afternoon. They're getting body types, they're getting shapes,
Speaker 4: they're getting movements, they're getting all these things. So it's
Speaker 4: been a really this is one of the best times
Speaker 4: to kind of fill in. You're not going to see
Speaker 4: all the guys, but you're going to get an idea
Speaker 4: of some of the top ones in the country and
Speaker 4: I think that'll help. And then you get to the
Speaker 4: combine and you'll see even more movement skills and that
Speaker 4: would kind of like Okay, I watched the tape the
Speaker 4: other day Penn State was playing Michigan. Oh I saw
Speaker 4: him do this. Yep, he could do that. I remember
Speaker 4: short shuttle. He's quick doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That makes so everything kind of comes together for you
Speaker 4: when you get to this point.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: II Sha, you've been out at this Shrine Bowl this
Speaker 2: past week, getting your eyes on players got the rosters
Speaker 2: in front of you and everything.
Speaker 6: Y'allah.
Speaker 3: How has it been out there?
Speaker 6: Though, No, it's been cool.
Speaker 7: I enjoyed the Shrine Bowl just because I think you
Speaker 7: find some players there that you know, maybe haven't gotten
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of looks and maybe haven't gotten the
Speaker 7: most attention. But when you look at a guy like
Speaker 7: even like Jya Thomas who was in the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 7: and we talk about we think he's one of the
Speaker 7: more open coming players on this roster.
Speaker 6: It's it's a dope opportunity for.
Speaker 7: Some of these guys to get looks, and it's it's
Speaker 7: the best on the best, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And that's when you find out who's really the best.
Speaker 8: Right, those are one v ones man, That's what it's
Speaker 8: all about. And I think it's fun. We talked last
Speaker 8: week with Dane about Stiggers, you know, the Canadian football.
Speaker 6: And he has stood out.
Speaker 3: But the breakdown it's been exactly what you saw.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, he's gonna go ahead and put his sideline,
Speaker 8: go go square sideline to the body here and then
Speaker 8: he's made some plays on the ball, I mean, one
Speaker 8: of the ones against some of these and Frank Gore
Speaker 8: Junior is another guy, right, he looked at some of
Speaker 8: these dudes played smaller competition, how were they when they
Speaker 8: get to match up against a dude that's coming from
Speaker 8: LSU or Alabama.
Speaker 3: I think we might have bumped up, You're We're good,
Speaker 3: We're good, You're back, bumped back.
Speaker 8: But Frank Gore Junior is the guy that I was
Speaker 8: watching last night kind of caught my eye because we're
Speaker 8: going through the Shrine Bowl stuff. He's dominating against the
Speaker 8: Appalachian States. I mean, we saw a lot of Conference
Speaker 8: USA football being North Texas mean dream, but.
Speaker 3: I felt like he was in school for like twelve.
Speaker 8: He was, and two years ago I went back watch
Speaker 8: him in twenty family tradition against Miami, and isn't it
Speaker 8: weird that one's going to.
Speaker 3: Make you feel a little bit old?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, But he's a guy that I think dominated
Speaker 8: when he was supposed to right at Southern Miss against
Speaker 8: some of these lower level competition. But when you get
Speaker 8: to see him in these type of environments, these practices,
Speaker 8: but also going back and watching against Miami, this dude
Speaker 8: can just play. I mean, he's got some special elements
Speaker 8: to his game. Is a little bit smaller, but then
Speaker 8: when you get to see him in person. I mean,
Speaker 8: all these things plus the personalities of these guys we
Speaker 8: also think is super important. I mean we talk about
Speaker 8: that a lot with quarterbacks, but what kind of makes
Speaker 8: these guys tick? Right? How much do they love the game?
Speaker 8: We've been taking notes. Man, I'm watching this dude play.
Speaker 8: It seems like he loves the game of football. You're
Speaker 8: able to tell in person when you actually get to
Speaker 8: see these dudes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wanted to comment on stickers real quick. I
Speaker 7: literally wrote down, he don't know no better, so he
Speaker 7: does it? Yeah, because he exactly And so you see
Speaker 7: him and there's times where it looks like he got turned,
Speaker 7: but his hips are so he can flip him so
Speaker 7: quick he can recover.
Speaker 6: He just has a nose for the ball.
Speaker 7: But I had the opportunity to meet him and interviews
Speaker 7: on the first day, and he just exudes confidence, y'all,
Speaker 7: Like he's so he got that chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 7: You know, guy that maybe everybody doesn't think can really play,
Speaker 7: but when you look for a corner, that's what you're.
Speaker 6: Looking for, and he has like boatloads of it.
Speaker 7: So it's been really dope to see his play translate
Speaker 7: this week in drills in seven verse.
Speaker 8: Seven, well in size wise, like, I think his arm
Speaker 8: length kind of stood out as well. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 8: was like, man, it's pretty long. You mentioned the recovery ability.
Speaker 8: That's something too. It's just unique for a guy that
Speaker 8: hasn't played the sport a ton. He just kind of
Speaker 8: got these raw instincts that you look for. And I think,
Speaker 8: I mean, the more he gets to play, the better
Speaker 8: coaching he gets. This guy seems like the limit for
Speaker 8: a player like that.
Speaker 6: And if D's coming back, he looks kind.
Speaker 3: Of looks the part. He kind of looks like, you
Speaker 3: don't have to whisper it. It could happen.
Speaker 6: He kind of looks like the corners they like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just saying.
Speaker 3: It's the mold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very well, could happen.
Speaker 9: No, I actually, I really love what Shrine has done
Speaker 9: and like what Shrine's become. I think Eric Galco has
Speaker 9: done a fantastic job building that up the way he has.
Speaker 9: That was kind of an afterthought for a long time,
Speaker 9: similar to like you know, they would put it in
Speaker 9: the same like Okay, you get the NFLPA game, you
Speaker 9: get the Shrine Bowl. Those aren't going to be nearly
Speaker 9: as significant as the Senior Bowl. But I mean they've
Speaker 9: got some real talent here this week. I mean, you know,
Speaker 9: they've got Edge Cooper here from Texas A and M.
Speaker 9: John Brooks is a big one. I think there's just
Speaker 9: they've done a really good job of kind of stacking
Speaker 9: things up, and Dallas gets such a huge advantage. I
Speaker 9: feel like just being able to have that here at home,
Speaker 9: take advantage of that, leave for Senior Bowl run through.
Speaker 9: It's just this is the marathon sprint right here.
Speaker 8: And the offensive line play. We've talked about that the
Speaker 8: entire time. It seems like these offensive linemen and how
Speaker 8: about these Dakota schools. I was mentioning that yesterday football.
Speaker 8: Last year we talked to Cody malk out of North
Speaker 8: Dakota State. South Dakota State's got some boys this year.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 3: The offensive line play is just super impressive right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey that South Dakota State teams won back
Speaker 2: to back national championships at the FCS level.
Speaker 3: Both know this area.
Speaker 2: About to say, they're pretty welcome here in Frisco. They've
Speaker 2: been here a time or two to pay taxes there here.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about Shrine, and we are going to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about what we've seen this
Speaker 2: week and what has stuck out.
Speaker 3: But today was the.
Speaker 2: First practice of the Senior Bowl down in Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 2: and one of our very own Nick Harris, is out
Speaker 2: in Mobile. He is on the sideline as we speak,
Speaker 2: and he's also on the phone line as we speak.
Speaker 3: It was Sam Hartman just completed a really long pass. Nick,
Speaker 3: what's going on? What are you seeing down there in Mobile?
Speaker 11: Yeah, what's going on? Pellas You just saw that Sam
Speaker 11: Harbon pass down to Roman Wilson, Michigan wide receiver down
Speaker 11: the middle. Yeah, it looking pretty good out here. We've
Speaker 11: only been about through about an hour of team drill,
Speaker 11: so really just kind of getting a feel of how
Speaker 11: these guys move around, the instincts that they kind of have,
Speaker 11: getting a good feel as they start to get comfortable
Speaker 11: being in this Senior Bowl environment. But so far, you
Speaker 11: can definitely tell which of the standouts and which of
Speaker 11: the guys that we're really looking forward to this week.
Speaker 11: You can see which ones are popping and which ones
Speaker 11: are taking a minute to kind of get adjusted.
Speaker 3: But so far, it's been so good.
Speaker 2: Now you've talked about Jackson Powers Johnson the Center from
Speaker 2: Oregon on this show a couple of times. I know
Speaker 2: earlier in the day you were talking about how much
Speaker 2: he's already stood out. What's going on with Jackson Powers Johnson,
Speaker 2: and how is he impressing you so far?
Speaker 11: Yeah, he looked really good, guys. I mean that's strong
Speaker 11: anchor that you know, we've been able to see on
Speaker 11: film and we've been able to see from him in
Speaker 11: his time of Oregon, both at center, right guard, left guard.
Speaker 11: He's showing all of that so far today in the
Speaker 11: one on one settings. He has taken a lot of
Speaker 11: reps at center, also took a few at right guard,
Speaker 11: and we didn't lose one rep. I looked really good.
Speaker 11: I mean he gets those back beat down in the
Speaker 11: surf and he drives forward. It's been really tough to
Speaker 11: get around him so far. So as I see it
Speaker 11: right now, probably the most consistent offensive lineman. Through that
Speaker 11: first little one on one session, each offensive lineman probably
Speaker 11: got about four or five reps. But yeah, so far,
Speaker 11: he's looking really good. He's taken to coaching, and yeah,
Speaker 11: he just turned twenty one a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 11: I mean, this is a guy that could be a
Speaker 11: franchise changer at center, I think for any franchise that
Speaker 11: gets them, and I'm starting to think it's going to
Speaker 11: be tough for him to slip twenty four if we're
Speaker 11: talking Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Hey, Nick, I know there needs to be two of
Speaker 4: you to split and watch the practice to cover it
Speaker 4: the way. But where have you found like the most scouts.
Speaker 4: Was there a huge crowds around the one on one
Speaker 4: with the linemen. Where do you think all the NFL
Speaker 4: guys are focusing their attention right now?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Most definitely the lineman. We've talked about this tackle class
Speaker 11: quite a bit. But also there's some really going interior
Speaker 11: guys here in Mobile this week. So being able to
Speaker 11: kind of pair both of those things, that's where you're
Speaker 11: gonna find most of the thirty two teams being able
Speaker 11: to kind of hover around. But also saw him quite
Speaker 11: a bit with the linebackers were here in this first practice.
Speaker 11: Here on this team, you got Sedgrim Gray from North Carolina,
Speaker 11: Peyton Wilson from North Carolina State Mayor Buis Out from
Speaker 11: a Notre Dame. We've talked about all three of those
Speaker 11: guys on the show. A scout has definitely been a
Speaker 11: hanging around those guys as well.
Speaker 3: What about the quarterbacks.
Speaker 8: I think that we talked last week with Danny got
Speaker 8: bow Niggs, you got Michael Pennix Junior. But we're watching
Speaker 8: Sam Hartman now. We were just talking before the show started.
Speaker 8: Hartman's a guy that there just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 8: a lot of buzz about right now from Notre Dame.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, and so far he had that really nice
Speaker 11: pass across the middle to Roam and Wilson earlier, and
Speaker 11: you know, he's looked pretty good so far. It's kind
Speaker 11: of something in her a full complete scope of these
Speaker 11: quarterbacks so far, they've just now started to put the
Speaker 11: ball through the air as far as routes on air,
Speaker 11: they were doing one on ones with running backs and
Speaker 11: linebackers a little bit earlier, so more so short the
Speaker 11: intermediate works that all three, they looks good. They're getting
Speaker 11: adjusted here. I really like what I've seen from Sam
Speaker 11: Harmon as you said, and Michael Pennix had a couple
Speaker 11: of moments as well.
Speaker 13: Nick.
Speaker 7: The safety position hasn't really gotten any love for real
Speaker 7: in the last couple of seasons. I feel like, are
Speaker 7: there any safeties down there? That you are interested in
Speaker 7: looking at and kind of your Yeah.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I'm looking at Coldish about if you call. He's
Speaker 11: in this group that I've seen so far here early
Speaker 11: in the morning. I really like what I see from him.
Speaker 11: When you talk about being able to kind of identify
Speaker 11: instincts early on, he's one of them, and they trusted
Speaker 11: him in some single high opportunities here in this early
Speaker 11: practice session. I really like what I've seen from him.
Speaker 11: And then this TV group as a whole, some versaal
Speaker 11: guys that are kind of around. You're kind of seeing
Speaker 11: some guys move around. Evan Williams from Oregon, You've seen
Speaker 11: him line up at safety, come down to Nickels. He's
Speaker 11: done some good work as well. And then both Smith
Speaker 11: Wade out of Washington State kind of similar stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 11: those are some guys I'm definitely looking.
Speaker 3: At me and back Nick.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you doing some great work down there in Mobile.
Speaker 3: We will check back in with you on Thursday. Sounds
Speaker 3: like there's a lot going on behind you as well.
Speaker 2: Always fun down there. Enjoy your time, get some seafood
Speaker 2: and have a good one.
Speaker 11: Thanks guys. We'll definitely come back on Thursday. Listen more.
Speaker 2: There you go, there's Nick Harris. He will be back
Speaker 2: Thursday for the show. But I mean, what a time
Speaker 2: it is, Brian you were talking about at a moment again,
Speaker 2: just every kindle, every rep matters for these guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And what's really cool is the NFL.
Speaker 4: It used to be for my era where the teams,
Speaker 4: the two worst teams in the league were getting to coach,
Speaker 4: you know, and you almost felt like those guys were
Speaker 4: being punished, you know, the way.
Speaker 3: But now you have the way the.
Speaker 4: League is set it up where these young assistant coaches,
Speaker 4: they're giving them opportunities to be coordinators, a head coach,
Speaker 4: you know, set a game plan together.
Speaker 3: I mean they're giving them great experience.
Speaker 4: And so their enthusiasm, along with the players enthusiasm, along
Speaker 4: with all the buzz with the media and the scouts
Speaker 4: and stuff and the building make this just such a
Speaker 4: fun event for evaluation, you know, I mean, it is
Speaker 4: it is. It's Jim Naggy does a hell of a
Speaker 4: job picking that team. This is not just show up
Speaker 4: the week before and get a bunch of guys together.
Speaker 3: This is a year long process.
Speaker 4: And the way that Naggy puts it together with the
Speaker 4: help of the scouts and the general managers around the league.
Speaker 4: That's why Nick Harris is able to talk about seven
Speaker 4: or eight different and you got some of the top
Speaker 4: quarterbacks here, you know, throwing in as I usually would say,
Speaker 4: good verse good here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and that's the that's.
Speaker 4: The great thing about the Senior Bowl and what we
Speaker 4: have going forward.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you mentioned that, like what Naggy's done with
Speaker 9: the Senior Bowl and how they grind you around, because
Speaker 9: that's the things that it's He's turned it into its
Speaker 9: own scouting organization he does.
Speaker 3: He's got scouts, he's like at thirty thirteen.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and they've had guys hired away
Speaker 9: from the Senior Bowl in recent years, guys who are
Speaker 9: on those scouting staffs that now they are area scouts
Speaker 9: with other teams. Like it's been a really good pipeline
Speaker 9: not just for talent, but like talent evaluators. And so
Speaker 9: that's something that I know, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 9: respect for the feedback that was given in the past.
Speaker 9: You know, not to call any names, but in the past,
Speaker 9: it felt like there was a censor around the league
Speaker 9: that like there were favors being done at times or
Speaker 9: like oh you're you're helping an agent out here or
Speaker 9: something like that. There's not going to be any of
Speaker 9: that the Senior Bowl these days. Jim Naggy is committed
Speaker 9: to making it like and he'll take feedback if they
Speaker 9: don't great somebody. Similarly, if they say, hey, we want
Speaker 9: to see this guy out there, they get him out there.
Speaker 9: And so this is always a really good week. I
Speaker 9: cannot wait to get a chance to look at the
Speaker 9: practice stuff and get a look at the tape because
Speaker 9: there's just a lot, you know, here that we can
Speaker 9: glean from this week because of the competition and the
Speaker 9: level of play that's really stepped up in recent years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: We talked about it a little bit last week just
Speaker 2: leading into this week, but you've have so many connections
Speaker 2: around the league.
Speaker 3: Where do you feel like the hotbed of talent is.
Speaker 2: From a position standpoint at the Senior Bowl Because everybody
Speaker 2: views it differently. Dane's gonna look at it differently than Brian,
Speaker 2: Brian different than Bobby. But you're hearing stuff from around
Speaker 2: the league of how these positions line up in Mobile.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think like the common thing that you hear
Speaker 9: a lot is just how deep the offensive line class
Speaker 9: is just around you know, the entire landscape this year,
Speaker 9: and so I think there's a lot of interest in
Speaker 9: you know, the offensive line that are there. I'm curious,
Speaker 9: I've seen I know he took the invite, and there's
Speaker 9: not a lot of clarity about whether he's on the roster.
Speaker 9: There's practice in this week, But Graham Barton from Duke, like,
Speaker 9: that's somebody who I know people are interested in because
Speaker 9: his measurements are going to be significant even if he's
Speaker 9: kicking inside the center. Questions about the arm length, stuff
Speaker 9: like that. I think that the one on ones will
Speaker 9: be big for him if he's out there, if he's
Speaker 9: able to take advantage that that's not gotten a lot
Speaker 9: of clear to but just in general, you hear a
Speaker 9: lot of scouts talking about that the offensive line play is.
Speaker 5: Going to be big.
Speaker 9: That was one of the things we heard too about Shrine,
Speaker 9: that Shrine had a lot of you know, really good
Speaker 9: value guys here at offensive line on both sides that
Speaker 9: they were excited about.
Speaker 5: So offensive line focus.
Speaker 9: I think obviously people that the big thing for Pennix
Speaker 9: is going to be medical, but seeing guys like Pennox
Speaker 9: and Nicks and some of these older quarterbacks that are going.
Speaker 5: To be on display.
Speaker 9: This has been a breeding ground and a difference maker
Speaker 9: week for quarterbacks in the past. Philip Rivers vaulted way
Speaker 9: up to the top of the draft board and the
Speaker 9: draft conversation after Senior Bowl years ago, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: Made a big impression on the Cowboys here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so I think quarterbacks this is always a
Speaker 9: big week for them when you can see them in
Speaker 9: the Baker Mayfield. I know had a lot of people
Speaker 9: were impressed that he showed up and competed when he did.
Speaker 5: A couple of years ago.
Speaker 9: So quarterback is always a big one with the guys
Speaker 9: that are out there. And we mentioned Hartman, Pennix, Nicks,
Speaker 9: I think this is a big week for those guys too.
Speaker 3: I know Connell helped himself last year. Yes he did.
Speaker 8: He certainly had a big one. But I am pumped
Speaker 8: about these quarterbacks because I think everybody's looking at them
Speaker 8: very differently. You know, bon Nicks is a guy that
Speaker 8: you're seeing now in the first round in some Bochs.
Speaker 8: I know we've been talking to Dane. He might some
Speaker 8: teams might have him as the number one, number two quarterback.
Speaker 8: I don't see that from bo Nicks. I've got like
Speaker 8: a third round grade on him. To me, I think
Speaker 8: he was definitely helped and the offense that he was in,
Speaker 8: you don't see him reading the field a ton. It's
Speaker 8: kind of first read boom, get the ball out. He
Speaker 8: had one of the quickest time of releases for the
Speaker 8: football in all of college football. I mean, Troy Franklin,
Speaker 8: I think is an absolute study, had a ton of
Speaker 8: talent around him from Oregon. So Bonnicks will be an
Speaker 8: interesting study this week. Is Michael Pennix To me, I
Speaker 8: think is a better prospect. I think Pennix throws maybe
Speaker 8: the best D ball that I've seen in this draft.
Speaker 8: I know Caleb Williams is just an absolute freak show
Speaker 8: as well, but I love being able to watch both
Speaker 8: of them together. And then you've got two family bloodlines
Speaker 8: with Luke McCaffrey and then Brendan Rice Jerry Rice's son
Speaker 8: as well. And I was seeing the NFL Network interviewing
Speaker 8: Brendan Rychie earlier. You know, McCaffrey's a guy just played
Speaker 8: at Rice. We talked about that level of competition. How
Speaker 8: does he do in one of these. I mean, we've
Speaker 8: seen a Cooper Cup several years ago go and just
Speaker 8: absolutely dominated the Senior Bowl. So that's what these are
Speaker 8: all about. Some of these guys that maybe the quarterbacks
Speaker 8: think you can get a lot from. To Bobby's point,
Speaker 8: but also some of the dudes, as I mentioned, you
Speaker 8: played at Rice the North Dakota States, and I'm interested
Speaker 8: to see some of these bloodlines. Is we have a
Speaker 8: ton in this draft. It seems like more than ever.
Speaker 8: Jeremiah Trotter junior we talked about as well. I mean
Speaker 8: there's so many legacy guys in this draft class.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited about that.
Speaker 7: Well, when you ask the question, Kyle, you know what
Speaker 7: position do you think? You know people are looking at
Speaker 7: wide receiver is pretty deep this draft. And it's interesting
Speaker 7: too because I wrote down back to normal kind of
Speaker 7: because last year we talked about it, it was so
Speaker 7: many smaller guys and you were there was concern about
Speaker 7: the guy's size and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: And this year is like five ten finally the sixth ones.
Speaker 6: Like it's only like a couple of guys who were
Speaker 6: five ten, five eleven.
Speaker 7: Most of these guys are over six. Big catch radiuses
Speaker 7: and things like that. So I do think this is
Speaker 7: this wide receiver class could be important to some teams.
Speaker 7: Decided to maybe try to get over the humping and
Speaker 7: get a second or third guy to be able to
Speaker 7: make a difference on our teams this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about working here is whenever
Speaker 2: you're having normal conversations just in the building at lunch.
Speaker 3: Stuff like this pops up.
Speaker 2: And one of the conversations we had among it was
Speaker 2: Nick Harris and a couple of others in the group,
Speaker 2: and we were talking about it yesterday. What happens if
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty situation happens where you need these other positions.
Speaker 2: You need a run stuff or you need offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: you need a defensive end or two or linebackers. There
Speaker 2: are positions of need for the Cowboys. But you're looking
Speaker 2: up and you're at twenty four and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you've got a guy that's falling in your lap.
Speaker 3: You've got a Donzi, a Coleman.
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin from Oregon, I mean, you've got these guys falling.
Speaker 3: In your lap. Do you entertain the option at wide receiver?
Speaker 3: Because you have cdee Lamb.
Speaker 2: Outside of that, you're bringing back Brandon Cooks, you're bringing
Speaker 2: back Jalen Tolbert. Who knows what Michael Gallup's future is
Speaker 2: in the building. Brian, would you entertain that just because
Speaker 2: of how talented this wide receiver classes.
Speaker 3: I am always about the stack.
Speaker 4: I am always you know, and I will die on
Speaker 4: that hill about the stack because I feel like that
Speaker 4: if you don't window dress your board and you put
Speaker 4: those players on that board where you would take them
Speaker 4: and you have the opportunity to grab them.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this.
Speaker 4: We were in a draft where it was the Quincy
Speaker 4: Carter Draft with the Cowboys, and we didn't have a
Speaker 4: first round pick, and we had a first round grade
Speaker 4: on Kendrell Bell, linebacker from Georgia.
Speaker 3: First round grade. We don't have a first round pick.
Speaker 4: It gets to us at the second round and we
Speaker 4: took Quincy Carter, and I understand we didn't have a
Speaker 4: quarterback and all that. That was a long story how
Speaker 4: that all went, but that was our last first round
Speaker 4: guy on the board, and Kendall Bell ended up being
Speaker 4: AFC took Pittsburgh took him right after us, and he
Speaker 4: ended up being AFC defensive Rookie of the Year and
Speaker 4: you just that right there. Always confirmed to me, like,
Speaker 4: if you trust your board and put the players where
Speaker 4: they need to be, the draft guards will bless you
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways. And so I'm always about that.
Speaker 4: If you know, if the discussion turns into you know,
Speaker 4: don't jump tags, you know, if you set your board
Speaker 4: how you feel, how it goes, and you could go.
Speaker 4: You could go right a lot of the time if
Speaker 4: you just follow exactly what your board tells you to go.
Speaker 7: And I think that could happen, especially to off offensive
Speaker 7: line is important because teams need better offensive linemen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, clearly, I mean, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 7: Now we've seen an influx of quarterback injuries this past
Speaker 7: year which made a huge difference. I do think that
Speaker 7: that position is important. So when you talk about wide receiver,
Speaker 7: I do think that a lot of these tackles and
Speaker 7: guardsm early some of these top guys. So maybe you
Speaker 7: do have a wide receiver fall to you, or running
Speaker 7: back or something fall to you that you're like, okay,
Speaker 7: well maybe I will take this guy here.
Speaker 3: Could the to her point?
Speaker 4: Could the you know, always you always hope that the
Speaker 4: quarterbacks are the ones that drive front.
Speaker 3: Lawyers to you, sure, maybe trade them back there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Could the offensive tackles drive players to you? I think yes?
Speaker 3: Or do you want them to fall to you? Though?
Speaker 2: That's my thing? You might want to Jordan Morgan out
Speaker 2: of area. Yeah, I mean I'm all about trying Tyler guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd love to try and attack the offensive line in
Speaker 2: the first round. I mean, I think that's just where
Speaker 2: the meat and potatoes is of this first round. But
Speaker 2: I think to your point, yes, I think absolutely, you've
Speaker 2: got we're looking at what seven eight offensive tackles, Yes,
Speaker 2: that could go in this first round. And that's not
Speaker 2: even including some like the Graham Bartons or the Fontina
Speaker 2: from Washington that we think could maybe kick inside and
Speaker 2: be interior players. I mean, I think Nick's right powers Johnson.
Speaker 2: You look at the versatility that he's got from Oregon.
Speaker 2: Teams cove at that.
Speaker 8: I mean, this dude's played all across the offensive line,
Speaker 8: and I mean it's tough to watch his tape last
Speaker 8: year and put anything negative in your notes. The dude
Speaker 8: is just a clean player, and we've seen the impact.
Speaker 8: I think you can look at right now the teams
Speaker 8: have just made it to the final four center.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, that's you're exactly right.
Speaker 8: And I think Travis Frederick since he has left this
Speaker 8: Cowboys organization, and it's no disrespect to Tyler Biadish, but
Speaker 8: there's been a massive drop off. Sure, and you look
Speaker 8: at some of the leaks and the issues that this
Speaker 8: offensive line has had. I think a lot of it
Speaker 8: has to do within the middle and the center position.
Speaker 8: In every quarterback, you can evaluate if you get pressure
Speaker 8: right up your face, it is going to disrupt everything
Speaker 8: you want to do offensively, your timing, your rhythm, You're
Speaker 8: flushed out of the pocket. So I think, yes, I
Speaker 8: think teams are going to covet these offensive linemen. I
Speaker 8: think all of them are going to see him differently.
Speaker 8: I think some will look at a Numarius Mims from
Speaker 8: Georgia and be like, hey, I don't care about the
Speaker 8: lack of starts. This dude is twenty years old. He
Speaker 8: is a freak athlete. I can look at him and
Speaker 8: build him into an all pro type of linemen, right.
Speaker 8: I think the same thing. Maybe a Patrick Paul. We
Speaker 8: don't love him out of Houston. I think he's a
Speaker 8: little bit sloppy, a little bit top heavy, but skill
Speaker 8: set wise, physically he looks the part. I think everybody's
Speaker 8: going to look differently at these offensive tackles, and it's
Speaker 8: going to cause one might go way earlier than we think.
Speaker 8: You know, a Kingsley from b YU. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: he's a guy that's playing in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Now try that last name.
Speaker 14: I know.
Speaker 8: I mean that's there's there's so many offensive linemen I
Speaker 8: think where they come off the board, he'll be fascinating
Speaker 8: that name. By the way, he didn't help did you
Speaker 8: not nail it?
Speaker 3: But he didn't help you while you needed the name? No, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's okay, we got it now.
Speaker 9: That is the thing, though, is that you're if you're
Speaker 9: talking about like teams coveting offensive lineman and wanting to
Speaker 9: use that capital because that is where like the real
Speaker 9: top heavy aspect is of this and you know, receiver
Speaker 9: offensive lind of those are the guys that could be
Speaker 9: pushed down to or whatever else depending on how teams Stager.
Speaker 9: I do think you should covet offensive lineman though here,
Speaker 9: like you need to be part of that discussion. And
Speaker 9: and I mean that's something where they've got questions about center. Look,
Speaker 9: Zach Martin is getting older, Tyron Smith is getting older.
Speaker 9: Terrence Steel he's here, but I mean he's coming off
Speaker 9: of an injury. You got to see how he bounces back.
Speaker 9: So I think you can never have enough offensive lineman,
Speaker 9: especially offensive line with flexibility who can can kind of
Speaker 9: play multiple positions. That's something they covet, Mike Salari covets,
Speaker 9: and so you know, I think that offensive lineman should
Speaker 9: be high up on their first round consideration.
Speaker 4: They've they've proven that they could take first run offensive
Speaker 4: lineman and they're plug and play guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean that's the one thing you could take
Speaker 4: that to the bank with these guys.
Speaker 7: I have a question. So since we're talking about offensive line,
Speaker 7: I'm very curious about awesome Richard's still I don't know,
Speaker 7: because I was surprised in the instances where you know,
Speaker 7: Tyrone was out and got it and he wasn't the
Speaker 7: next guy like in those instances, even for them to
Speaker 7: go with the Doga before him when we had seen
Speaker 7: to me enough of idogas.
Speaker 6: No, maybe that's not it there, So I am.
Speaker 7: Curious about I do think that'll play a role in
Speaker 7: some of maybe some of their decision making with if
Speaker 7: they decide to take a tackle early. But then also
Speaker 7: to you, Matt will let's go, who has his shoulder injuries?
Speaker 7: What do you think you're gonna consistently get from him
Speaker 7: at this point? Because this seems like a reoccurring thing
Speaker 7: with him since college. I think it's a hereditary thing
Speaker 7: from my understanding. So it's like, hey, are those gentlemen
Speaker 7: going to make a difference in some of their decision
Speaker 7: making or do you think that maybe we should be
Speaker 7: continuing to look?
Speaker 2: No matter what, I think you got to keep looking.
Speaker 2: He's a fifth round pick, Austome Richards. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was high on our list of a Day three guy,
Speaker 2: and so when they took him at the.
Speaker 3: Fifth round pick, that was a value there.
Speaker 2: But they've also shown as good as they are of
Speaker 2: picking guys in the first round, they also aren't going
Speaker 2: to rush day three picks into a starting life either,
Speaker 2: and I think it's more of.
Speaker 3: A developmental task for them with Austoin Richards.
Speaker 2: Plus, they don't want to put him in a situation
Speaker 2: like where let's go, where he's having to battle through injuries,
Speaker 2: He's having to battle through certain things. Josh Ball is
Speaker 2: another example from the twenty twenty draft of a guy
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one draft of a guy that they took.
Speaker 3: On day three.
Speaker 2: They wanted him to develop, and it hasn't necessarily worked
Speaker 2: out in their favor.
Speaker 3: They want to take their.
Speaker 2: Time with that guy with awesome Richards specifically because they've
Speaker 2: maybe been burned in the past in a situation like that.
Speaker 3: I think I think you got to fix the center first. Yeah,
Speaker 3: me too. I'm looking at center.
Speaker 4: If you had to tell me, and this is nothing
Speaker 4: to you know, like I said, I do have I'm
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 3: I do have my concerns about Austin Richards.
Speaker 4: But I think he's the one guy that I was
Speaker 4: watching from North Carolina last year when he was taken,
Speaker 4: and I remember talking Will McLay after the draft.
Speaker 3: I said, you got value there. You picked a guy.
Speaker 4: Because sometimes you take these kids and they might be
Speaker 4: no offense to directional state, school whatever, but you know,
Speaker 4: you kind of looking for trade. This kid played at
Speaker 4: North Carolina, played at a very high level, played against
Speaker 4: really good competition, played well against good competition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's I.
Speaker 4: Think the traits are there for him to develop, Okay,
Speaker 4: but it's I mean, if you want to talk about TJ.
Speaker 3: Bat I haven't seen TJ Bass play center. So that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: A lot of people say, well, why would you just
Speaker 4: plug bass in at center or why would you just
Speaker 4: play Hoffmann? Yeah, I like what you're saying. But also
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the draft right now, and I see
Speaker 4: four guys I like better than that option, right, you
Speaker 4: know that I that I know. I've seen these guys
Speaker 4: play center at a very high level. I think if
Speaker 4: you if you address the center spot here and you
Speaker 4: fix it, you're going to fix a lot of your
Speaker 4: offensive line problems.
Speaker 3: Preach in my and and.
Speaker 4: And that's gonna sound like a slam to uh to,
Speaker 4: And I mean that in no disrespect. But there are
Speaker 4: times where he is good and there's times where he
Speaker 4: is a liability.
Speaker 3: And and that is and and I think they know that.
Speaker 3: I think they know that.
Speaker 4: And and this it's just like, you can't pass the opportunity,
Speaker 4: in my opinion of how many good centers there are
Speaker 4: in this draft and not address that. You know, but
Speaker 4: maybe they will have a player in their stack that's
Speaker 4: higher than a sinner and they will work it that way.
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, I admire him for doing
Speaker 4: that because they've done it before.
Speaker 8: And maybe it is one of those offensive tackles. I
Speaker 8: would still take one of those tackles. And I'm not
Speaker 8: concerned because, look, awesome, Richards. If he ends up being
Speaker 8: a swing tackle for you, that's an important position. I mean,
Speaker 8: we've seen that a great value with the Dallas, absolutely
Speaker 8: swing tackle in the fifth they've struggled.
Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned a doga.
Speaker 8: If he's a guy that can fill that spot, I'm
Speaker 8: totally okay with that.
Speaker 4: Good for him, Okay, Aisha, I'm gonna let you take
Speaker 4: an offensive tackle or a linebacker, and they're both grades
Speaker 4: are the same on your board, and there maybe maybe
Speaker 4: their tacks are touching in your stack, either an offensive
Speaker 4: tackle or a linebacker on your on your on your board, I'm.
Speaker 6: Probably gonna take a tackle.
Speaker 7: I mean, especially too with linebacker. We haven't I don't
Speaker 7: know if we've talked about it a lot, but I
Speaker 7: think the DT position didn't help you with linebacker either.
Speaker 3: That's a good point point.
Speaker 7: I mean, I ain't gonna are you kind of.
Speaker 6: Miss Carlos Watkins. I thought you cound of Miss Carlos Quatkins.
Speaker 7: I thought even getting I mean even Bohanna leaving. I
Speaker 7: felt like he did some decent things over there where
Speaker 7: he was this year. I mean, so to me, I
Speaker 7: feel like personally, you can get a DT and that
Speaker 7: could help out some of your linebacker stuff, even if you.
Speaker 6: Decide to get a guy, but your tackle stuff bebby.
Speaker 7: You got to take care of that now because it
Speaker 7: caused problems this year. But I do agree with you
Speaker 7: that sinner is important, and I also think it's important
Speaker 7: too to your point Zach is that Zach Martin is
Speaker 7: getting older and it's not a knock to him, but hey,
Speaker 7: he needs somebody steady on the other side of him
Speaker 7: because he's not only dealing with Terrence Steele coming back
Speaker 7: from injury, trying to, you know, get his things together.
Speaker 6: Your sinner's getting this.
Speaker 7: He'll kicked sometimes and your guards having to help a
Speaker 7: lot because his awareness is there.
Speaker 6: He's aware.
Speaker 7: You want him to be able to play sound and
Speaker 7: be confident in his position and not be worried about
Speaker 7: the guy next to him consistently. So I'm also looking
Speaker 7: at that as well.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, I know you mentioned you said
Speaker 8: if they were rated the same, I don't have a
Speaker 8: linebacker that's a first round calibary.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If they were, if they were, if they were close,
Speaker 4: I'm taking the value.
Speaker 8: I'm still taking the offensive line. I think that's always
Speaker 8: an area that you need to replenish. And we've seen
Speaker 8: when this team has their best opportunity, it's because they're
Speaker 8: strong with the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: Watch my watch my my podcast partner take a line
Speaker 3: but different.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take the linebacker if they're gret at the
Speaker 9: same I'm taking the linebacker because, yeah, you point out,
Speaker 9: like you look at conference championship weekend, it's great center
Speaker 9: play across the board, but also the biggest difference if
Speaker 9: you look at it, there's a great linebacker play on
Speaker 9: and you talk about you've got these issues last year
Speaker 9: pretty consistently, it felt like if guys just like stepping
Speaker 9: in the wrong gap or reading and reacting too slowly
Speaker 9: or reading it wrong or whatever else. And so I
Speaker 9: think that to me, if you can get me, you know,
Speaker 9: if you're telling me it's Powers Johnson and Edge Cooper
Speaker 9: or something like that in the second round, Like I
Speaker 9: would take Cooper at that point.
Speaker 7: So to your point about that, though, should we be asking, oh,
Speaker 7: I don't want to piss nobody off.
Speaker 6: Should we be asking for.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, so, should we be asking what are
Speaker 7: y'all being coached? And I'm only asking that because it's
Speaker 7: been this is it's a consecutive thing. It's not just
Speaker 7: it's not just one player having these issues.
Speaker 6: I'm asking No, No.
Speaker 7: That's something that maybe we should be wondering about because
Speaker 7: this is a new linebacker coach, this is a new
Speaker 7: gentleman in the room.
Speaker 3: That does that make So don't have a ton of
Speaker 3: bodies there.
Speaker 6: You, I mean, the death matters.
Speaker 7: But I also too, do think if we're consistently seeing
Speaker 7: players take the wrong reads, being the wrong it could
Speaker 7: be them just doing their own thing.
Speaker 6: But also to we need to ask, like, what are
Speaker 6: you guys being taught?
Speaker 7: Because this is why are you jumping into the C
Speaker 7: gap when your assignment.
Speaker 6: Is a gap?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that I would not. I think there's
Speaker 9: a lot you can put on coaching. I think at
Speaker 9: the end of the day, players have to make no, no,
Speaker 9: I know. I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 9: players have to make plays. And I think that when
Speaker 9: you talk about reading and reacting, like like we've seen
Speaker 9: consistently it's not just in Dallas. That is a league
Speaker 9: wide problem. Like people talk about league wide how there's
Speaker 9: just a lack of quality offensive line play, like it's
Speaker 9: just a talent starved position. Nobody has enough good offensive lineman.
Speaker 9: There's routinely how many times do we watch it feels
Speaker 9: like half the linebackers coming out, even the ones at
Speaker 9: the top, are like, Wow, he does this, really this
Speaker 9: really Sometimes he's a guesser, though, and he just kind
Speaker 9: of runs in. It's it's a very mentally taxing position.
Speaker 9: And I think they're two highest IQ linebackers they were
Speaker 9: without this year, the guys that they expected to carry
Speaker 9: them a little bit, Vanderesh and even Overshown. Yep, Clark
Speaker 9: guesses at times, and Clark can be a good player.
Speaker 9: It's just Clark guesses sometimes. That was something that they
Speaker 9: had happened with Devin Harper when he was here. Like
Speaker 9: it's just it's it's an issue I think league wide
Speaker 9: the ability to read, react, identify all of those things,
Speaker 9: and Dallas has been hit by it just like anybody
Speaker 9: else has. So I coaching obviously comes into play at
Speaker 9: some point in that, But to me, I think a
Speaker 9: lot of that is just players get what they put
Speaker 9: in like they're going to get out of it, the
Speaker 9: work that they put into this.
Speaker 4: Why is Peyton Wilson at North Carolina State so banged up?
Speaker 5: I love?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with you too, and I'm like, and
Speaker 3: he's just so banged up. Nick told me he was
Speaker 3: looking good out there though, and.
Speaker 4: Of course he's incredible and he's had double digit surgeries,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, you're just like, you just shake
Speaker 4: your head and but you do. You put on the
Speaker 4: tape and all that guy does is make play. He's
Speaker 4: making every single play, every single play. But you know
Speaker 4: that's the dangers now that you're dealing with. Yeah, the medicals,
Speaker 4: the risk vers Roar, you nailed it, though. I think
Speaker 4: Bobby mentioned the IQ. You're you're lacking your general at
Speaker 4: the linebacker position. You brought up Patrick Queen.
Speaker 8: Patrick Queen was not the same player until Rokwan Smith
Speaker 8: got to Baltimore. Patrick Queen was a guy that wasn't
Speaker 8: living up to a first round round potential. They were
Speaker 8: wondering should even pick up a fifth year option there.
Speaker 8: Rokuan Smith comes, he starts wearing the green dot, he's
Speaker 8: calling the defense. All of a sudden Patrick Queen can
Speaker 8: play free. Now, I think you get a guy that
Speaker 8: can do that. De Mone Clark's a different player too.
Speaker 3: Maybe we're not the spoiltest guy.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's why I'm looking at it. I'm looking
Speaker 8: at you know, Tommy Eichenberg from Ohio State.
Speaker 5: Gee.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a field general. Yeah, he's getting everybody lined up.
Speaker 8: He can read, he can diagnose now athletically going sideline
Speaker 8: to sideline. He doesn't have, you know, fluid hips necessarily.
Speaker 8: He might have some things that kind of hold him back.
Speaker 8: That's why he'll slide, but mentally he's there. Cedric Ray
Speaker 8: from North Carolina, I love it. Jeremiah Trotter junior from Clemson.
Speaker 8: These are guys that know exactly what they're looking at.
Speaker 8: They're film junkies. You can tell the football like you.
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Speaker 14: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is this year's draft theme to get more physical players?
Speaker 3: If you were the front office, what would you do
Speaker 3: in your approach? Start with Bobby Belt on that one. Look.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think they had their physicality draft a
Speaker 9: couple of years ago, like, and I think they feel
Speaker 9: like they got those guys. Like I think they feel
Speaker 9: like toughness and physicality. They got with Tyler Smith, they
Speaker 9: got with Jake Ferguson, they got with Sam Williams. Like
Speaker 9: I think that was a big point for them, a
Speaker 9: couple of pretty well for you it did, Yeah, No,
Speaker 9: And I think that this year, I think they would
Speaker 9: say that the physicality thing has been more overblown than
Speaker 9: tape showed. For most of the year, I think they
Speaker 9: felt like they were a pretty like reasonably physical football
Speaker 9: team for a lot of the year, and I'd probably
Speaker 9: agree with that. It was it was not the same
Speaker 9: issue you saw the first time they lost to San Francisco.
Speaker 9: That was a team that had a lot of trouble
Speaker 9: physicality every game that year.
Speaker 5: They were into that.
Speaker 9: I think it's always a consideration. It's always included in there.
Speaker 9: I think the mental makeup, I think they I think
Speaker 9: they want some guys who are a little nasty and
Speaker 9: that that Jake Ferguson energy that gets up and kind
Speaker 9: of annoys people and things.
Speaker 5: I think they like that.
Speaker 9: I think they want more guys like that, and so
Speaker 9: I think that's a trait they'll look for. I don't
Speaker 9: think it's hey, this is the primary focus, this is
Speaker 9: how we're like this is the primary focus as we
Speaker 9: stack our board. But I think that that's going to
Speaker 9: be an important trait that if it's put in the
Speaker 9: scouting report, that's going to stand out to people here.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, look at me, because it's
Speaker 3: because you're on this show.
Speaker 6: I thought we was going like, oh, we want to
Speaker 6: go hey do you Yeah? No, No.
Speaker 7: I do think it is important we talk about the
Speaker 7: mental makeup of some of these guys.
Speaker 6: I kind of do want some guys that don't know
Speaker 6: no better. I really do.
Speaker 7: And part of me is just because this plan for
Speaker 7: this team does come with a lot of mental, emotional,
Speaker 7: different strain, different pressure. I definitely want to see if
Speaker 7: there's some gentlemen that they can bring in here who
Speaker 7: just love football and want to go play like a stickers,
Speaker 7: like who's just trying to prove himself and has that
Speaker 7: rawness to him and that edginess to him. To your point,
Speaker 7: I thought Jake Ferguson was a really good because there's
Speaker 7: times you would look at Jake Ferguson make a play
Speaker 7: and he had the defense hype on this side, And
Speaker 7: I do think that that matters when you talk about
Speaker 7: temperament and once you get hit in the mouth, how
Speaker 7: you respond?
Speaker 6: And I think that's the biggest thing is I'm looking for.
Speaker 7: I'm looking for them to have guys that respond better
Speaker 7: to getting hit in the mouth, because I felt like
Speaker 7: every time they got hit in the mouth this past year,
Speaker 7: it was a struggle to get back in that mode
Speaker 7: and it was deflating at times as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I say, I think that is a massive
Speaker 9: area where they miss Trayvon Diggs this year. Was they
Speaker 9: missed that intensity, they missed that edge he was. He
Speaker 9: was a tone setter for them in the secondary. And
Speaker 9: I think that when we talk about like jumping back
Speaker 9: a little bit, and we talk about resetting center and
Speaker 9: doing different things, like you have to have an awareness
Speaker 9: that walking away from Tyler Biottish means also walking away
Speaker 9: from generally kind of your enforcer on the offensive line
Speaker 9: and the guy who has some of that edge and
Speaker 9: plays with that intensity for a team that wants more
Speaker 9: of that, Like I'm not saying that he's come back,
Speaker 9: but for a team that wants more of that, Like,
Speaker 9: you're gonna have to consider that when you're looking at
Speaker 9: these centers, too, is how you're gonna make that up
Speaker 9: If you're saying goodbye to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's everything that I'm looking at with these
Speaker 8: offensive linemen. You know, the more grit, the more toughness,
Speaker 8: the more I'm playing through the whistle, the more I'm
Speaker 8: knocking your face in the dirt. We're gonna get after
Speaker 8: it down after down. That's what I'm watching. That's what
Speaker 8: you want and you got that coming. So yeah, So
Speaker 8: I know Tyler Biadish in training camp, don't pick a
Speaker 8: fight with me. The problem is we're seeing inconsistency and
Speaker 8: Tyler Biodish getting overpowered and bullied at times. And can
Speaker 8: you upgrade that on the football field week into week out?
Speaker 8: And I think some of these guys do give you
Speaker 8: some of that same play temperament that a Beyondish does
Speaker 8: and that you want to I think you're right he
Speaker 8: is one of your guys, along with Tyler Smith on
Speaker 8: the offensive line. But I think a lot of these
Speaker 8: tackles that we're watching, a lot of these guards and
Speaker 8: centers have that. That's certainly something that I'm looking at
Speaker 8: because I think one draft you're not going to fix
Speaker 8: your toughness issue. I think that's something you commit to,
Speaker 8: that is something that you want overall, you're looking as
Speaker 8: players that you're drafting year in and you'ar out. That's
Speaker 8: the kind of culture and temperament I want my football team.
Speaker 8: I think you got to keep just going to that.
Speaker 4: Well, give me the high IQ football player, because when
Speaker 4: this defense busts, it's because they bust coverages, or they
Speaker 4: bust assignments, or they do stuff that they're not supposed
Speaker 4: to do. What you were talking about earlier, I should
Speaker 4: wear jumping in gaps, you know, know wing damn Goodwell
Speaker 4: you've got a gap and you're playing all of a
Speaker 4: sudden you're standing in the sea gap because you're guessing.
Speaker 4: You know, I give me, I think these guys are tough,
Speaker 4: but give me the guys that make those instinctive plays.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's I need more, Like I need
Speaker 3: more of a Sean Lee.
Speaker 15: I need a smart yeah tank, I need a smart
Speaker 15: calculating assignments sound player that I know that it's going
Speaker 15: to not bust in key situations.
Speaker 4: It seemed like to me that Green Bay game was
Speaker 4: nothing but busted coverages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, busted assignments. You know.
Speaker 4: You know there's I can understand getting physically beat on plays,
Speaker 4: but when you prep for a game and get ready
Speaker 4: and you see a formation in your assignments to do
Speaker 4: this and you completely don't do that.
Speaker 3: Then I can't play you.
Speaker 4: I can't put you on the field because you just
Speaker 4: give up forty seven yard pass because you didn't carry
Speaker 4: the guy in man coverage. You know, you could be
Speaker 4: tough all you want, but if you don't know what
Speaker 4: you're doing, then that's a problem. So I need more
Speaker 4: of those Sean Lee tough, but also that football IQ
Speaker 4: guy sounds like you guys need Javon Bullard from Georgia
Speaker 4: and that back end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, generally your safety group and you'll be fixed. You
Speaker 3: have to take him in the first No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I think that you can probably go Day two on him.
Speaker 3: That's good like that. I think that. The one thing
Speaker 3: I said about him, he's he's so far he's my
Speaker 3: favorite guy in the entire draft. Oh, he's your pet cat.
Speaker 3: You're putting the staker on it. Yeah, I love you
Speaker 3: know who this guy is?
Speaker 5: Who is it?
Speaker 3: He's Petrie, the kid from Bay. This is who this
Speaker 3: kid is.
Speaker 6: That's what you take about him. I ain't watched him yet.
Speaker 3: I think he's the best.
Speaker 8: Petrie's turned out pretty good. I'll take him pound for pound,
Speaker 8: best dB in the entire class.
Speaker 3: I love him. He Uh, he's one of those. Uh,
Speaker 3: he's one off.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 3: If it moves, he'll strike it. Guys.
Speaker 4: You know, the ball skills are there. I mean he's
Speaker 4: got a high football IQ. You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 4: He's short though, he's a five to eleven guy. What
Speaker 4: do you measure the Senior Bowl. I'm sure that they've
Speaker 4: gotten I need to check my guys. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 4: that I had that somewhere in my life.
Speaker 3: Here spreadsheets getting updated this week. All right. With with
Speaker 3: that all being said, here's our second question for Twitter
Speaker 3: and a half. A short, don't don't make the winfield
Speaker 3: junior misteak. It's now he's okay. He will knock the
Speaker 3: you know what out. He's physical downhill player.
Speaker 2: Uh or Colin asked, given the position strengths in the draft,
Speaker 2: offensive line, wide receiver as a couple examples, which positions
Speaker 2: do you think Dallas should be more aggressive at at
Speaker 2: upgrading through free agency as opposed to relying on the dress.
Speaker 3: Draft show, sir, well, mostly open up position wise. I'm
Speaker 3: just kidding. I'm totally kidding.
Speaker 2: I think It is a good question though, because with
Speaker 2: free agency coming before the draft, you're going to know
Speaker 2: some of the holes that are remaining.
Speaker 4: In your roster, how much they're really going to jump
Speaker 4: into that, how much are they going to Bobby, how
Speaker 4: much they're going to jump into that.
Speaker 9: So I mean, I think that's they every year will
Speaker 9: create contingency. Sure like every year they create contingencies across
Speaker 9: so that they can go best player available. I think
Speaker 9: if you're talking about actually having to look, I mean,
Speaker 9: you got a free up cap space to begin with,
Speaker 9: because right now you're projected to be twenty million plus
Speaker 9: over the cap. I think the thing for them, I
Speaker 9: would wonder if they would look at it and say, like,
Speaker 9: obviously they have they're gonna have interest in some linebackers.
Speaker 5: They've been thin there.
Speaker 9: But I would wonder if they would look at it
Speaker 9: and say, because they want guys who are going to
Speaker 9: read and react correctly, they want IQ guys. If they
Speaker 9: would look and say linebackers more somethingwhere I'd like to
Speaker 9: have seen it on tape at the NFL level like
Speaker 9: I would, I would like to see that this guy's
Speaker 9: got experience, knows what he's doing. Let's go get this,
Speaker 9: let me go get a veteran here to do this.
Speaker 9: So I wonder if some of those areas where they
Speaker 9: feel like they're particularly maybe IQ deficient or and I
Speaker 9: don't want to sound like dumb or anything, but just
Speaker 9: like they're not as high up on football IQ and
Speaker 9: the ability to read and react on some of those spots.
Speaker 9: I wonder if that's where they would look more to
Speaker 9: replenish with veterans and create a base that way, they're
Speaker 9: not having to guess with rokies because, like I said,
Speaker 9: when you talked about Awesome Richards and how they kept
Speaker 9: going back to a doga like, coaches are always going
Speaker 9: to go back to the veterans.
Speaker 5: Coaches are always going to come to veterans.
Speaker 9: And so if they've got somewhere where they feel like
Speaker 9: the the football IQ, the mental process and stuff like
Speaker 9: that is deficient, I think that's where you're more likely
Speaker 9: to see them dabbling free agency. So linebacker safety maybe
Speaker 9: something could.
Speaker 2: You say center there too, Because you're talking about Tyler
Speaker 2: Biadish and knowing his intensity level and knowing what they've seen.
Speaker 5: I think they I think if you.
Speaker 9: Ask some people around here, I think they would say
Speaker 9: that they think Brock Hoffman could start at center in
Speaker 9: the NFL.
Speaker 5: I don't know that they say, well, I don't know
Speaker 5: if they they've got an edge to.
Speaker 3: Him to the edge. I don't know that they both do.
Speaker 9: I don't know that they would say, like, this is
Speaker 9: our long term solution. But if that's a like they would,
Speaker 9: I think they feel comfortable that as a contingency is like, hey,
Speaker 9: if we get wiped out, we can roll with this.
Speaker 9: I mean they were I think if Zach Martin had
Speaker 9: held out like brock Coffin was starting to guard to
Speaker 9: begin the year last year, and so they I think
Speaker 9: they really do believe in him, and he's somebody who
Speaker 9: could be part of their contingency.
Speaker 5: Plan at center.
Speaker 7: I get that if we're talking about free agency, I
Speaker 7: would definitely be looking at what veteran defensive tackle you
Speaker 7: could get in free agency. And I only say that
Speaker 7: because love me some Hakis to Infinity Infinity. However, when
Speaker 7: he's gotten injured, it's mattered for this team, and unfortunately
Speaker 7: it's happened at like key times. So when he's come back,
Speaker 7: like I felt like he looked almost the same, but
Speaker 7: it's made a difference. But you also didn't get much
Speaker 7: from your rotation, and we're talking about linebacker bebe they
Speaker 7: getting climbed on consistently for a reason.
Speaker 6: And so to me, you know, obviously we're on MASI
Speaker 6: watch and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: I think also too, you need proven talent there to
Speaker 7: move forward and kind of stabilize the middle of your
Speaker 7: defense because a lot of this jumping out of gaps
Speaker 7: and compensating a lot of that to me was because
Speaker 7: of the middle of that defense not being short up.
Speaker 7: So that's where I would be looking if I were,
Speaker 7: you know, important like that, to be looking for how
Speaker 7: to go.
Speaker 6: Forward and improve this team. And outside of the draft.
Speaker 8: Those are two spots linebacker and defensive town that have
Speaker 8: some good names.
Speaker 3: Can I intererstand anybody in a veteran running back for
Speaker 3: three million dollars?
Speaker 8: It sounds good, I mean, because I think we've talked
Speaker 8: a little bit about this draft class.
Speaker 3: At running back and there's certainly.
Speaker 8: Some guys that we like and that'll probably go maybe
Speaker 8: pair third draft with a pair I think. So I
Speaker 8: don't know that there's a running back like we looked
Speaker 8: at last year with the Bejon Rominson, Jamiir Gibs, like
Speaker 8: I can hand my backfield over to this guy and
Speaker 8: be good to go.
Speaker 2: Even Jamiir Gibbs was a twelfth overall Picker's still paired
Speaker 2: him with with my gun that worked out.
Speaker 8: Like Jalen Right from Tennessee, I'm a big fan of.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's Ray Davis from Kentucky's right now in
Speaker 8: the senior ball. I think there's definitely options. I mean,
Speaker 8: if you wanted to go with the Jonathan Brooks, Trey
Speaker 8: Benson from Florida State. But I think all these guys
Speaker 8: could benefit from a veteran which shrine Bowl veteran people here?
Speaker 8: What are Louisville running back look like? Isaac Grito?
Speaker 3: I saw?
Speaker 8: Grido is a great little undersize right.
Speaker 3: I had him at six one.
Speaker 6: He's that big big on the field.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's that's the measurements I was working on. I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what, man, he's a transfer from Wisconsin. Kind
Speaker 4: of hate when I can't pronounce these kids' names the
Speaker 4: right way?
Speaker 10: Is it?
Speaker 3: Garin does it right? I'm looking, But but man, there's nothing.
Speaker 4: I mean, you watch him play against USC and you
Speaker 4: watch him play against Miami Boston College of Kentucky.
Speaker 3: This guy is a kind of.
Speaker 4: A versatile player and he could. You could throw it
Speaker 4: to him, he can run it. You have to get
Speaker 4: bodies to him. I mean, he is a zone runner
Speaker 4: when it comes to press the hole and then go.
Speaker 4: And I was really really interesting. I know, Bobby, we
Speaker 4: were talking about some names last night of people that
Speaker 4: might be. But this guy is a finisher. He's a
Speaker 4: he was a from Louisville. He number twenty three and uh,
Speaker 4: he's going to get north and south quick. I love
Speaker 4: his toughness. I love his ability to catch the football,
Speaker 4: and I love the traits about him for that because
Speaker 4: he's the downhill guy, so that he might fit into
Speaker 4: that that third fourth round type of a back for somebody.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know if he if he did anything
Speaker 4: for you gain.
Speaker 7: No, he stood out to me. He stood out to
Speaker 7: me as a receiver. Yes, that's that's where I noticed him.
Speaker 7: It's like, Okay, this dude can run some routes. And
Speaker 7: I liked his Uh, his hands were soft. He was
Speaker 7: definitely very explosive when he has the ball in his
Speaker 7: hands to the point he can get in the open
Speaker 7: field and make plays and make people.
Speaker 6: Take bad angles.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 7: I noticed him yesterday. Yeah, And I mean because they
Speaker 7: used he was.
Speaker 3: Short to you, though in my life I thought he
Speaker 3: was middle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I swear, I promise you.
Speaker 7: Like when I saw him, I was like ook at
Speaker 7: the measurements, though, I say he's a bigger human than
Speaker 7: that's the the.
Speaker 3: Numbers they had on him was six one two twenty
Speaker 3: five and yeah, that's what they had but.
Speaker 2: Had him at six foot at Wisconsin. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's exactly what they had him at Louisville. So
Speaker 2: that's probably gonna go down though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's probably more foot five eleven. Like
Speaker 3: to say he's wide, though it sounds like he's filled
Speaker 3: out stocky.
Speaker 4: You watch him run, I mean he is super productive
Speaker 4: when you know he gets the opportunity to carry I
Speaker 4: mean he carries the ball with some power to his games,
Speaker 4: so kind of takes him a second to get going.
Speaker 4: But once he's going, boom, he's two and three.
Speaker 16: Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear who's the best you've watched this week?
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Speaker 2: Bobby Belt, Brian brought us, Ayisha Morrison up, Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 2: who's the best You've watched this week? And I usual
Speaker 2: you've been out in the in the Ford Center watching
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl practice. We're gonna start with you who you see.
Speaker 7: I think one of the best players, consistent players I've
Speaker 7: seen this week is Mason McCormick, guard out of South
Speaker 7: Dakota State.
Speaker 6: He's six ' five. Lord, he's three ten, three fifteen.
Speaker 6: I don't know who lines.
Speaker 7: Somebody line And I was just so interested in how
Speaker 7: versatile he was, because you know, in these practices they
Speaker 7: move guys from right guard, left guard, center. They want
Speaker 7: to see if you can do ao. Dude, he played
Speaker 7: all these spots and looks sturdy. He also too, he
Speaker 7: can fly to the second level. He climb really well.
Speaker 7: He has great foot quickness for his size, and he
Speaker 7: also too, he times his anchor really well.
Speaker 6: To me is when he you know, he dropped that ass.
Speaker 6: That ass, y'all.
Speaker 7: He definitely puts a lot of stress on these defensive ends,
Speaker 7: but also too, when he clamps on you, you're pretty done.
Speaker 7: The balance is there for him, and the hand placement
Speaker 7: is consistently really strong with him.
Speaker 6: I mean he's wrestling. He was wrestling. If you look
Speaker 6: at some of some of the film from the one
Speaker 6: on ones. Just aware as well.
Speaker 7: I thought he had a really good week and I
Speaker 7: think people are going to be looking at him, especially
Speaker 7: since we talked about offensive line versatility matters.
Speaker 6: But hey, he's versatile and he's shown he can do it.
Speaker 7: He can do it, and he also played the multiple
Speaker 7: positions in college as well, so he stood out to
Speaker 7: me a lot this week.
Speaker 3: I like Christian Mahogany, the gard from Boston.
Speaker 8: Gli dude, I'm on an old line kick man, you
Speaker 8: know me. I like my big ugly in the trenches man.
Speaker 8: But this guy has played both shides, left and right guard,
Speaker 8: so you know you can go ahead and switch him
Speaker 8: if you need to. But he fires off the ball
Speaker 8: in the run game. He plays with aggression and when
Speaker 8: you watch him poll this guy is violent off the edge.
Speaker 8: And you watched him at Florida State and he ended
Speaker 8: up getting some reps one v one against Verse, especially
Speaker 8: where he gets pulled and Jared Verse was like, uh please, no,
Speaker 8: I don't want anything to do with you, sir.
Speaker 3: And I love Jared Verse. I think he might be
Speaker 3: my number two edge in this class.
Speaker 8: But he's got long arms, not the quickest lateral movement,
Speaker 8: but he's a guy that can get to the second
Speaker 8: level nasty in the run game, uses arm extension well
Speaker 8: to keep defenders off of him. In pass pro He's
Speaker 8: another guy. Not a good bass to him, but I
Speaker 8: love the way once he gets latched onto, He's got
Speaker 8: a firm anchor. He's very, very difficult to get off.
Speaker 8: Can win in a phone booth, finish his blocks. Love
Speaker 8: his play temperament. I think that's a kid that's made
Speaker 8: himself some money here over the weekend at.
Speaker 6: The East Restaurant ball would you got, Briy, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna go for a player that I just scouted this
Speaker 4: week and I'm trying to decide the broadest. Boys are split.
Speaker 4: My son think this guy's Calvin Ridley. I think this
Speaker 4: guy's Jordan Addison. It's Xavier Worthy, the wide receiver from
Speaker 4: the University of Texas. Hey, let's go, and Bennett says
Speaker 4: he's Calvin Ridley. He says he's a plus route runner
Speaker 4: with breakout speed. I like what my son's saying there.
Speaker 4: But he plays outstanding in all areas. He's a big
Speaker 4: time receiver. He's a big time punt returner. He'll wow
Speaker 4: you with his ability to play in space. He can
Speaker 4: easily make the first man miss no problem. He's a
Speaker 4: natural playmaker. At best when you get him the ball.
Speaker 4: He made one of the prettiest receptions I've ever seen
Speaker 4: in the Alabama game over Arnold the corner there that
Speaker 4: we really really like.
Speaker 3: This goes right.
Speaker 4: I mean he tracked the ball. This guy could beat
Speaker 4: you in numerous ways. He runs slants, he hits you
Speaker 4: with the deep ball. He's a fluid athlete. He's got
Speaker 4: elite explosiveness and speed. So if you're looking at wide
Speaker 4: receivers and you think you might see the Jordan Addison
Speaker 4: who was a USC last year and the Minnesota Vikings took,
Speaker 4: this is a very similar player to that type of guy.
Speaker 4: With the Xavier Worthy from the Texas.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you bring up University of Texas.
Speaker 2: I've got a receiver from the University of Texas as well,
Speaker 2: San Antonio UTSAA. I've got Josh Cephis from utsa big
Speaker 2: lanky wide receiver. He's been out here at the scene
Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl. They have him listed at where
Speaker 2: did it just go? I just had it six foot
Speaker 2: three one and eighty five pounds, So he's got some
Speaker 2: link to him. I liked his his route running. One
Speaker 2: of the things that I didn't like on film whenever
Speaker 2: he was playing against Conference ESA and and American opponents
Speaker 2: as they made the jump.
Speaker 3: This year, he was limited in the route tree. He
Speaker 3: didn't have a whole lot going on in terms of
Speaker 3: the route tree. Turns it around.
Speaker 2: He comes out here, he's running curls, he's running, seems great,
Speaker 2: got it. But then he's got some out route to him,
Speaker 2: he's got some slants to him. He's been able to
Speaker 2: run those digs. Well, there was one rep yesterday where
Speaker 2: he ran really kind of an out and up and
Speaker 2: just got around his guy built a ton of separation.
Speaker 3: Quarterback just completely missed him. Just a terrible throw. And
Speaker 3: so I like what he's done.
Speaker 2: It's been kind of limited in terms of the courquarterback
Speaker 2: play in the Shrine Bowl specifically, I think he's got
Speaker 2: a legitimate shot to go.
Speaker 3: Let's say early day three. Yeah, got a fourth round
Speaker 3: grade on him. Yeah, I think i'd.
Speaker 2: Probably put him early fifth if just based off of
Speaker 2: it early running where I want to see what he
Speaker 2: runs in the forty and probably thinking maybe late four
Speaker 2: or fives. Not the speediest guy, but he builds separation
Speaker 2: off of separation route running, and I think that's something
Speaker 2: that works back to the football really well. Yeah, certainly
Speaker 2: a yat guy yard after catch. He can make plays
Speaker 2: in space. The one thing about him, and for his size,
Speaker 2: I was a little surprised he needs to get a
Speaker 2: little cleaner off press coverage. At the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: He doesn't.
Speaker 2: He wins at the line of scrimmage, but not with
Speaker 2: physical it's it takes a little bit. He doesn't waste steps.
Speaker 3: Well, he'll age.
Speaker 8: He'll engage a little too much with the hand fighting,
Speaker 8: which is fine. It's like he wants to get physically,
Speaker 8: doesn't shut but it's like, no, dude, I need you
Speaker 8: to get up the field and get in your route here.
Speaker 8: I need you to quit playing pitter patter with the
Speaker 8: corner here because the corner is fine with that. I'll
Speaker 8: go ahead and disrupt the timing here. And he needs
Speaker 8: to just get up the field and go. But I
Speaker 8: love Josh receives. The one thing about him, he did
Speaker 8: run into some dw lie issues in college. I'm sure
Speaker 8: people are gonna want to check some character concerns there
Speaker 8: and you'll have conversations.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if Dallas, let's just say Dallas is looking at
Speaker 2: him they're having him here, you can have him at
Speaker 2: the conferce and that might just you'll bring him down.
Speaker 2: You'll you'll make the trip down I thirty five. You'll
Speaker 2: have plenty of converceas all made some dumb decisions. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's there's going to talk about him. I
Speaker 2: don't that's the dumbest thing you've ever done.
Speaker 3: Let's not talk about it. Do you have anybody, Bobby?
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I've already, like I've been running through offensive
Speaker 9: line this week, and so I finally got around to
Speaker 9: seeing the guy we talked about early today, Sue amata Ya,
Speaker 9: And my gosh, like that that guy's going to be
Speaker 9: a star. To me, I think he's going to be
Speaker 9: a dominant player at the next level. To be honest,
Speaker 9: he's got he looks like he's belt in a lab.
Speaker 9: The problems with him right now are I think technical
Speaker 9: things that are reflected from being such a young player.
Speaker 9: He just turned twenty one about a week ago. I think, Uh,
Speaker 9: but he's got mental processing stuff. He obviously gets his
Speaker 9: pad level too high at time. At times he's he's
Speaker 9: so nasty, intense he wont to just like blow everybody off,
Speaker 9: fall it caused them over eagerness at times. I think
Speaker 9: that you know, causes him to miss it on times.
Speaker 9: But you're talking about a guy with the type of wingspan,
Speaker 9: the ability to push guys upfield, the ability when you
Speaker 9: talk about here in Dallas, when we're just looking at
Speaker 9: like guys wanting to improve the wrung game, getting up
Speaker 9: to the second level, being able to pull do some
Speaker 9: different things. I think he's got special ability to do that.
Speaker 9: And this is somebody who while there's mental processing stuff
Speaker 9: that you that you have some concerns about when you
Speaker 9: watch it, I think what you do see though, is
Speaker 9: natural instinct and feel, and so to me, I think
Speaker 9: typically whenever I've watched players in the past who have
Speaker 9: a natural feel and have natural instincts, I think that
Speaker 9: those other questions about reading and reacting things like that
Speaker 9: are fixable.
Speaker 5: They tend to get fixed. Colton Miller was like that.
Speaker 9: Colton Miller was a guy who had feel and instinct,
Speaker 9: but technique wise was a mess, and some of his
Speaker 9: processing was a mess, but it projected out because he
Speaker 9: had natural instincts.
Speaker 4: And I think you got this again, b Yu, Okay,
Speaker 4: he's uh. I think man, I watched him against Texas
Speaker 4: Texas Tech. He was much better against Tech than he
Speaker 4: was against Texas, and I think Bob against that defense,
Speaker 4: I think Bobby. I think Bobby's got him right. I
Speaker 4: think he'll need to coordinate his hands in his feet better. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's something he's gonna have to work on putting
Speaker 4: himself in better pass blocking positions because he gets a
Speaker 4: little lungey and he gets top heavy, but he could
Speaker 4: be tough to deal with.
Speaker 3: Trust strength, Yeah, Yeah, he's a massive guy. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: is a massive guy.
Speaker 8: I don't get ranging out of position with him. It's
Speaker 8: but I mean he didn't allow a sack at three
Speaker 8: hundred and sixty one pass block snaps two years ago.
Speaker 3: I mean, the dude steady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to love about this offensive line class.
Speaker 2: I love it whenever we're bringing I mean you're thinking
Speaker 2: he's a star? Is he a first round great?
Speaker 8: I think they nailed the awareness, like you can tell
Speaker 8: stunts and blitz pickups.
Speaker 3: He knows exactly where he needs to be. But there's there's.
Speaker 2: Growth too with a lot of these offensive linemen because
Speaker 2: they have the size, they have the ability, but then
Speaker 2: there's little knocks.
Speaker 3: Here and there. But they're all teachable knocks.
Speaker 2: That's what I think this offensive line class stands out
Speaker 2: for me, at least out of the ones in the
Speaker 2: past couple of years.
Speaker 3: All Right, we will be back on Thursday. What was
Speaker 3: that something happened?
Speaker 6: I'll bring this center later.
Speaker 2: You're bringing up later nice teas? Okay, Yeah, maybe Thursday.
Speaker 2: A couple of days to deliver on that. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: be back Thursday. More Shrine Bowl practices, more Senior Boal practices,
Speaker 2: more filmed to break down coming up at eleven Central time.
Speaker 3: Bobby was great getting you back on the show today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thanks Bobby.
Speaker 2: We'll have Nick Harris out there as well from Senior
Speaker 2: Bowl practice in Mobile, Alabama for Chris Beam in the back,
Speaker 2: Bobby Belt, Zach Wolchuck Brian brought us I yet Shamrris,
Speaker 2: and I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Draft show.
Speaker 3: We'll see you on Thursday.
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