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Speaker 1: Yeah, Welcome to Mondays edition, a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He is John sch Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Lance Meto with you for the next sixty minutes. Two

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Speaker 1: zero one, five one three is the telephone. Nobody could

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Speaker 1: also interact with the two of us on Twitter hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat. We're gonna get to your phone calls, will

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Speaker 1: get to your tweets. We are now transitioning from the

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Speaker 1: draft back into the off season program for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have rookie Minicamp coming up as well, but

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Speaker 1: we'll get into the draft. Because NFL dot com, John

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Speaker 1: has put out some of its rankings, which a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like to make sense of the ins and

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Speaker 1: outs of which teams walk away with winnings. Even though

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen any of these guys on the field yet,

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Speaker 1: I would say, uh, projected winning project. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a fair classification. But one in particular up on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com has the Giants ranked number one and coincidentally

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Speaker 1: has the Cowboys is number two. So they're very fond

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Speaker 1: of two NFC East team and the rationale for why

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Speaker 1: the Giants are number one is great value with Will

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Speaker 1: Hernandez at number two and see Kwan Barkley's a given,

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Speaker 1: so it's not as if we really need to get

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Speaker 1: into that. They like the Lorenzo Carter selection, saying omega

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Speaker 1: athlete who flashed his senior year, was great value in

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Speaker 1: round three, not that high on the kyol A letter

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Speaker 1: do believe he could very well become a starter in

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Speaker 1: the league. That's Lens deer Lines Rankings. They have another

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Speaker 1: one UM that's done by a couple of guys that

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Speaker 1: I'm really not that familiar with that there for NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com. This was done by Gennaro Felice and Nick Shook.

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Speaker 1: They have the Giants ranked number nine in their group,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of, you know, goes back to the

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Speaker 1: same discussion that we've had about the draft leading up

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Speaker 1: to it and and and what some calls to after

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Speaker 1: the draft was over, whether or not they made the

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Speaker 1: made the right decision and not trying to secure your

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Speaker 1: future at the quarterback position above wall else, especially for

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Speaker 1: running back, and that's something that's kind of been a

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Speaker 1: question mark UM moving forward. Uh. In terms of their analysis,

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Speaker 1: they have the Giants at number nine UM in their

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Speaker 1: in the league, which I actually happened. Really like the

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Speaker 1: Bears draft myself. Uh. They got Roquan Smith in the

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Speaker 1: round talent. Anthony Miller was my third best wide receiver

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are two, so very similar to your to your

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Speaker 1: linean that seems to be what swayed people. And Michael

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Speaker 1: galloping around three people seem to like as well. I

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Speaker 1: thought could have been a second round talent. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: them before. They're able to get Josh Rosen without giving

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I thought Darius Leonard was a little high

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Speaker 1: they picked Braydon Smith with James Daniel Stole on the board,

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Speaker 1: So to me, I think they got an inferior player.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm I love quitten Nelson. I think he's

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Speaker 1: Darius Lendon. I think those two guys are both better

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Speaker 1: Comoco Torre. I thought that was a good pick at

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Speaker 1: I understand why you, in my opinion, why you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: can list all the players I just listed for the

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Speaker 1: think they're all better than Hayden Hurst. He's a twenty four,

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old tight end who played baseball. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think people photos are pretty weak tight end class

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Speaker 1: So maybe that was their rationale. They didn't know he

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Speaker 1: this draft a whole lot more. And I'm saying this rhetorically,

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Speaker 1: I know you would if you had Calvin Ridley at

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Speaker 1: believe what I'm seeing if Hayden Hurst has a better

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Speaker 1: gotta be careful what you wish for. So Baltimore could

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Speaker 1: and signed. He say he's not available. Decor was tying

429
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Speaker 1: with retirement earlier this offseason. He is still available. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Decker is the idea eel veteran. To answer your question, Jason,

431
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Speaker 1: that if you went to Decker and first of all,

432
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Speaker 1: you probably could bring him in at the beginning of

433
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Speaker 1: training camp. I don't think it's gonna hurt you. And

434
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Speaker 1: you said, hey, you know, Eric, we want you to

435
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Speaker 1: come in. We want you to compete for the third spot.

436
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Speaker 1: We think it could be valuable. I don't think there's

437
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Speaker 1: any crime in that. I mean I I don't. I

438
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Speaker 1: don't have any issue in terms of it. They wanted

439
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Speaker 1: to pursue Eric. Decker is the third wide receiver spot

440
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Speaker 1: to compete with the Roger lewis is of the world

441
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Speaker 1: and the Cody Latimer's of the world. Because see Lattimer,

442
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Speaker 1: and we talked about Lattimer. Lattimer to me is intriguing Jason.

443
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a great deal of stock at his

444
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Speaker 1: reserve because he just didn't have the opportunity in Denver.

445
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Speaker 1: He's basically mainly a special teams player. I mean, if

446
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Speaker 1: you look at we went over on a previous show,

447
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Speaker 1: he went from playing three percent of the offensive snaps

448
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Speaker 1: to seventeen percent to twenty three two. I think last

449
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: year was thirty three percent, which is still a very

450
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Speaker 1: small percentage of all offensive snaps. If he blossomed out

451
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Speaker 1: to getting a bigger role here with the Giants, who's

452
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Speaker 1: to say that maybe his production and his targets won't

453
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Speaker 1: go up. So he's umbody who has already lined up

454
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Speaker 1: with the first team because of injuries to other guys

455
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,959
Speaker 1: as they started the offseason phase that I would watch

456
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Speaker 1: and monitor during the course of training camp. It doesn't

457
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Speaker 1: mean he's gonna win the job, but that's the guy

458
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Speaker 1: that at least I'm gonna be keeping close tabs on.

459
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Speaker 1: I still think to your point, there's room for them

460
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Speaker 1: to bring in a polished veteran, whether it be Eric Decker,

461
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Speaker 1: whether it be somebody else who perhaps is working out

462
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Speaker 1: right now, looking to get healthy and could be ready

463
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Speaker 1: to go at the start of training camp. That to

464
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Speaker 1: me is the key time to watch, because remember it's

465
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Speaker 1: a different position. They brought in Leon Hall about two

466
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Speaker 1: years ago, right at the start of training camp. When

467
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Speaker 1: they were looking for additional weapons in the secondary, and

468
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Speaker 1: Leon Hall wound up making the team and becoming a

469
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Speaker 1: key contributor. So it would not surprise me if they

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Speaker 1: go that route. Okay, just one last question, um, and

471
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Speaker 1: I'll get off the air with this one. Just wondering

472
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Speaker 1: if there's if there were any I think there were,

473
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Speaker 1: but if there are any offensive lineman uh that did

474
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Speaker 1: not get drafted, but we have on our team, and

475
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Speaker 1: if there's anything that you can say about them, you

476
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Speaker 1: gotta appreciate the phone call. The Giants haven't officially announced

477
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Speaker 1: anything with respect to undrafted free agents about who's gonna

478
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Speaker 1: be at rookie Minicamp. Normally they don't reveal that list

479
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Speaker 1: until probably the day of that rookie Minicamp starts, So

480
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Speaker 1: there's really nobody at this point to comment on. But

481
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Speaker 1: you know, once we do get the full roster, will

482
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Speaker 1: certainly address all of those players accordingly on Big Blue

483
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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. So I'd be premature right now to get

484
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Speaker 1: into anyone in particular. With that being said, though, if

485
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Speaker 1: you look at last year, how a guy named Chad

486
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Speaker 1: Wheeler who was an undrafted free agent wound up making

487
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Speaker 1: the roster and actually, you know, started at the end

488
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Speaker 1: of the year and it's gonna be now in the

489
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Speaker 1: mix at the right tackle spots. So it's not somebody

490
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Speaker 1: that I would dismiss, even if they're an undrafted free agent. However,

491
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Speaker 1: when you look at the state of the offensive line

492
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Speaker 1: right now, I think the Giants are in good position

493
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Speaker 1: in terms of what they're looking at for the starters.

494
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Speaker 1: The key thing is going to be how does the

495
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Speaker 1: depth chart play out during the course of offseason workouts

496
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Speaker 1: as they make their way closer to shaping up the

497
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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, Because if you, for example, take

498
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Speaker 1: a guy like John Jerry, if John Jerry doesn't secure

499
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Speaker 1: a starting job, we're just gonna go with a hypothetical here,

500
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Speaker 1: and then John Jerry becomes a backup. You then now

501
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Speaker 1: have improved your depth chart because you took a starter

502
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Speaker 1: and you moved him to the bench. Now, I'm just

503
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Speaker 1: going based on the projections here. If you're looking at

504
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Speaker 1: Patrick o'mama and Will Hernandez, let's say both of them

505
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Speaker 1: win the starting guard spots. I would not rule out

506
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Speaker 1: John Jerry, but let's just go with that premise right now.

507
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Speaker 1: And it remains to be seen whether or not Hernandez

508
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Speaker 1: is gonna be a right guard, my mommy is gonna

509
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Speaker 1: be a left guard, or vice a versa. They're gonna

510
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Speaker 1: work both of those guys at both spots because they've

511
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Speaker 1: had experience there Bekauy so Brett Jones at center, we

512
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Speaker 1: know Nate's Solder as your left tackle, and then at

513
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Speaker 1: right tackle. You're looking at a competition between Eric Flowers,

514
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Speaker 1: Adam Busnavati as well as Chad Wheeler. So somebody's gonna

515
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Speaker 1: win that battle. The other two guys that don't win

516
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Speaker 1: that battle, let's say they make the roster, they're also

517
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Speaker 1: going to the bench, and all three of those players

518
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Speaker 1: is nobody. Wheeler and Flowers have some semblance of starting experience,

519
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Speaker 1: so you're looking at before we even get to the

520
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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. My point is, in all likelihood, you're

521
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Speaker 1: looking at the second third guy on the bench, the

522
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Speaker 1: swing tackle, however you want to label it. All of

523
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Speaker 1: those players are probably gonna have had starting experience at

524
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Speaker 1: some point in two thousand seventeen, which is a lot

525
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Speaker 1: different than what the Giants were looking at in previous years.

526
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Speaker 1: So that automatically, based on the competition that's gonna play

527
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Speaker 1: out within the starting group is going to improve the

528
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: back end of the depth chart. And that's why you

529
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Speaker 1: know you're not gonna learn a lot during the course

530
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Speaker 1: of the non contact phases of the offseason workouts. You

531
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Speaker 1: really gotta wait till training camp. But during the course

532
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Speaker 1: of these next few weeks, where guys line up, who

533
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Speaker 1: gets opportunities. To me, you're still gonna take something away

534
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Speaker 1: to get an idea of who's been working with the

535
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Speaker 1: first team. Where do they feel this guy is comfortable

536
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Speaker 1: lining up, Because if they're lining them up there in

537
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Speaker 1: the offseason workout phase without contact, they're probably at least

538
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Speaker 1: envisioning this is where they want to start out in

539
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: training camp. So to me, that's something I think to

540
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: monitor and that you can take away as you watch

541
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Speaker 1: what transpires during the course of offseason workouts. But no

542
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: matter what happens with the undrafted free agents on the

543
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Speaker 1: offensive line, you're still looking at a spot here right

544
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: now where most of the players who are going to

545
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Speaker 1: be the backups on the offensive line. As we welcome

546
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Speaker 1: back John Schmlock because he does an unbelievable job coming

547
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Speaker 1: in and out of the camera picture, I don't know

548
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: how you do it. Really deserve kudos with respect to that.

549
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Speaker 1: But what I was just talking about it was interesting.

550
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Speaker 1: I don't really care what you're talking about. Don't don't care,

551
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you about it anyway, so you're

552
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Speaker 1: not lost. Last caller was bringing up about wanting to

553
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Speaker 1: know some of the undrafted offensive lineman that the Giants

554
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Speaker 1: may be bringing in, and I said, they haven't announced

555
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Speaker 1: anybody at this point, so there's no one to talk about.

556
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Speaker 1: But what they anxiously await that announcement, by the way,

557
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: so we can't talk about it. But what I transferred

558
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Speaker 1: the conversation over to is, if you just start to

559
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Speaker 1: look at the starting five, if you just go based

560
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Speaker 1: on the projections, Okay, let's say, oh, mom a Hernandez

561
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Speaker 1: Jones soldier, and then whoever wins the trio battle what

562
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: it appears to be at the right tackle spot. Whoever

563
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: doesn't win a starting job, you're gonna have at least

564
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Speaker 1: two to three guys maybe that win those backup jobs,

565
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Speaker 1: assuming it's not an undrafted free agent john that had

566
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Speaker 1: starting experience the previous year, which is to me a

567
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: much better position than the Giants were in in at

568
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: least recent history. Halapio started a game last year, John Jerry.

569
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Speaker 1: Of course the veteran that has a lot of starting experience, well,

570
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Speaker 1: wheel are and you know, I think wheel are as

571
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Speaker 1: a chance to be the starting right time. So whether

572
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Speaker 1: it's Wheeler or Flowers, whoever doesn't will be the best

573
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: or even business too, who at the tail end of

574
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: the start the one game at the end of the

575
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: got in as well. So you're gonna look at something

576
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: with starting experience on your bench. Now. Of course, starting

577
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: experience doesn't mean every everything. There are guys that have

578
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: started game still won't play well. But yes, obviously that

579
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: that's preferred to a guy that hasn't felt the you know,

580
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: the fire of starting in the NFL and the offensive

581
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: line for sure. Indeed, choose three hashtag giants chat unfortunately

582
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: is the turning point to the program. Charlie is in Portland, Maine. Charlie,

583
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: what's happening? John? See what we're talking about? The offensive line?

584
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Speaker 1: And no surprise, Charlie, cars sun, the flowers gone long

585
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: time passing? Where have all the flowers gone a long

586
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: time ago? Charlie? They're blooming its springtime. Come on, I

587
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: see there are flowers all over my yard. I don't

588
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, Arlie with the poetic lines here,

589
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're talking about, Like Flowers is

590
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: still on this team because he is officially, but he

591
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be here, or if he is here, here's

592
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: no way he's gonna win the competition because the guy

593
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: can't compete and he doesn't have technique. So I think

594
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: you should just delete his name like way in the

595
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: back somewhere, maybe mention him for a second, because I

596
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna even Hey, hey, hey, Charlie, I

597
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: do me a favor, and I want you to send

598
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: your resume into Dave Dominic and maybe he could put

599
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: you in charge of our roster on the website for

600
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. And then you can just

601
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: put the guys on and off the roster just based

602
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: on your opinion of them, because it doesn't matter if

603
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: they're here. You can just put whoever on the roster

604
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: that you want. I think that would go real well

605
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: with the front off. Actually, I'm loving this idea, and

606
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: it has no bearing on the salary cap implications. It's

607
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: just Charlie gives us the fifty three man roster on

608
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Speaker 1: May seven to him, and that's we just go buy back. Yeah,

609
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: and then if you go to giants dot com and

610
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: you know you're wondering is this guy on the roster?

611
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: It makes no difference. And and and then even better when

612
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you when you know, Charlie, when you got when the

613
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: media goes out to the practice of the watch practice,

614
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: you get the roster, so they won't even know who

615
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: half the players are on the field on the ninety

616
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: man because they all don't matter. According to you, I

617
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: think that makes perfect sense. Hey, I'd be glad to

618
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: come down and interview people, John and that would be wonderful.

619
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Speaker 1: Say something about John. What you said about ary K Newsome?

620
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Speaker 1: Was he one of the best g ms in the

621
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Speaker 1: last fifteen years? It's not taught three. He's definitely number

622
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Speaker 1: one or two. And hold on on second, Charlie, time out.

623
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Speaker 1: Let let me ask you something. If Ozzie knew some

624
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: such a great general manager houses have the Ravens done

625
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: making the playoffs last three or four years? He still

626
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: picks good players over the years. He's great players, does he?

627
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I was like, hold on, I have a question for you. Um,

628
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: do you like Marlon Humphrey? Do you like Tyas Bower.

629
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Speaker 1: Do you like Chris Warmly? Well, there were their top

630
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: three picks last year. Neither one of those three guys

631
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: played all that well do you like Do you like

632
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Kamalai Corea, their second round pick in two thousand sixteen?

633
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: How about Bronson CAFUSI? Do you like him? I could

634
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: pick out some players that he's hit on too Brashad

635
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Perriman has been a great first round pick from He's

636
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: worked out real well. The problem is you're not naming

637
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Okay, John Charlie studies the offensive linemanbe don't

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: has no idea you're talking about. Matt Elam was a

639
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: wonderful first round tight end? Does he knows tight ends?

640
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Speaker 1: So you have to give him the benefits of the

641
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Speaker 1: doubt that if he picked two tight ends he knows

642
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Speaker 1: these guys. Let me ask you something, Charlie, Let me

643
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: ask you something. Um, do you did you like Max Williams?

644
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: A tight end in the second round that's barely gotten

645
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: on the field? Was that really get to take a

646
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: tight end? Injuries? But yeah, yeah it was injuries. It

647
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: was you know, you can't help you sure have said

648
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: that I gave him the bailout. Sorry, I'll keep my mouth. Yeah,

649
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I should not give any cruise to try go ahead,

650
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: name the next tight end. I'll keep my mouth. But

651
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean just saying that he knows tight ends, but

652
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Speaker 1: you don't take one of these two tight ends is

653
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: going to be a good player. I think you got

654
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: to give him benefit of the doubt, but that that

655
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean another player that was on the board isn't

656
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: a better player, you know what I mean? Yeah, that

657
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: may be true, but I think Mr Ozzy has deserved

658
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: the jew in the respect for for being a really

659
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: good gentle manager. You, I hear you. I agree, but

660
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: to me and I don't want to bring this back

661
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: this way, but the Ravens have almost taken the same

662
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: path the Giants have. You know, the Giants won the

663
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: last superowleven the Ravens, I believe one right and now,

664
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: and both teams have struggled mightily since their last Super Bowl.

665
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: The Ravens only made the playoffs once they lost in

666
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: the divisional playoffs, just like the Giants. So Charlie, as

667
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: someone who has been very critical of how the Giants

668
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: had performed since their last Super Bowl, the Ravens performance

669
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: has actually been identical. If not worse than what the

670
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: Giants have. Dunson's their last Super Bowl. So I would

671
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: as to quote Lands, stop throwing the biquets and start

672
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: looking at what's actually gone on the last five years. Well,

673
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: at least at least to Ozzie's going out on his own,

674
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: and he's going out like in style. That was his

675
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: last draft and this is his last year. And uh so,

676
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I you know, it's nice to see him go out

677
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: that way. That's fair. I know, you're right, you're right.

678
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they haven't been winning the last

679
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: couple of years, but they had been in the playoffs.

680
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they played the Patriots tough. They should have

681
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots a couple of times in those championship games.

682
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: They've they've been. They've been in the playoffs once since

683
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: their last Super Bowl one since two thousand twelve. That

684
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: was two thousand fourteen. So they have now missed the

685
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: playoffs each of the last three years now granted and

686
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: four farterline team in seventeen. I mean, if they don't

687
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: have that defensive breakdown against since they're in on the

688
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: last game, but listen the facts of the facts, they

689
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs and that's the reality that we're dealing with.

690
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: So I think to John's point, it's fair to say

691
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Ravens. The Giants one in eleven,

692
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens wanted twelve, and both franchises since then had

693
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: struggled to make the playoffs. And that's the easiest comparison.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could break down all the details you want,

695
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: you can look at the draft classes. The bottom line is,

696
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: since the last Super Bowl, it's been a struggle to

697
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: get back to the peak. And both teams have had

698
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: the same quarterback too. That's why I think they're also

699
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: similar Flacklony, I'm manning obviously both of their respective teams,

700
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: and I think at the same time, both players are

701
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: probably not playing at the same level as they did

702
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: the last time the two teams were in the Super Bowl.

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00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. The other thing I'll add that

704
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: I think is a similarities. In the wake of the

705
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl victories, both teams have had struggles on the

706
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: offensive line, have had struggles with respect to the running game.

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00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: The running game, though I agree to me, was respectable

708
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: last year for Baltimore. I actually thought they had a

709
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: nice one two points year Yea, it took some time,

710
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and part of that was the whole Ray

711
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Rice saga, which currently impacted their running game. But you're

712
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: you're seeing similarities between Baltimore and the Giants. I don't

713
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: think there's vast differences between those teams. And by the way,

714
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: Charlie and one other thing, I'll say real quick, I

715
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: also believe that Eli Manning, even though he's about three

716
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: years older, I think than Flacco. I believe, in my opinion,

717
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I think Eli Manning is a better quarterback than Joe

718
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Flacco right now, in my opinion, totally, totally I agree

719
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: with that. And like Mr Jackson behind Flacco. Um, you know,

720
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's kind of he's going to be

721
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: feeling too good about it, but yeah, you know, that's

722
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: just that's just the way it is. But uh, the

723
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: other thing is I just think, uh, you know, why

724
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: why didn't I thought maybe you would change with gentleman

725
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: that Why don't we always wait to like announce anything

726
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: until like a minute before we have to? You know,

727
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: like draft of free agents, other teams are already saying yeah,

728
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: we signed them times and we signed them. Why do

729
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: we wait until like Friday at uh, you know, nine

730
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: olds on the field. Listen. I think it's a fair question,

731
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: but I brought this up last week. You have to understand,

732
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: everybody invited to Rookie Minicamp is not on the roster.

733
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: There are players that are invited to rookie Minicamp and

734
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: then there are players that are actually signed to be

735
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: a part of the ninety So so here's the thing.

736
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: The Giants are not going to announce who just happens

737
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: to have an invite to rookie Minicamp because there's gonna

738
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: be tons of guys that fall in that category. The

739
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: only formal announcements will be when somebody signs an official

740
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: contract that actually is part of the ninety man rosters.

741
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: There's a distinct difference between those two. Keep that in mind,

742
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not. I'll let you continue, Charlie.

743
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not keeping track of what every team is doing,

744
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: but I find it hard to believe that every team

745
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: is announcing who they formally have invited to Rookie Minicamp

746
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: about three or four days in advance. Now I'm talking

747
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: about actually people they've signed signed. Okay, and the Giants

748
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: have signed some guys right now. They are signed, but

749
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: we're not hearing about it, you know, That's what I'm saying.

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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: We're trying. I'm not trying, honestly, I'm not sure if

751
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: you know the signatures on the paper. To be honest

752
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: with you, I think there might be agreements in principle, um,

753
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think these guys actually signed

754
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the contract until they show up the day for rookie Minicamp.

755
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: But I think that's why the weight happens, and that's

756
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: why they don't. Okay, I think we'll have to say

757
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: goodbye to Charlie. Charlie's apparently trying call called Kevin Egraham's

758
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: and Dave Getleman. Hey, he can lose them, and he's

759
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: trying to find out complained. Why don't you lets and

760
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: John talk about them. We have them to have a

761
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Twitter account so I can tweet it all, you know,

762
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: and bounce my eyes. His first priority to hear from

763
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Charlie at Portland. Thank you, Charlie. He'll also he also

764
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: start using the hashtag giants chat just to weigh into everybody. Well,

765
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, the funny thing is that day will have

766
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: to get like a special like Boston English Dictionary to

767
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: work properly, because if he starts like typing in the words,

768
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: it'll it'll keep coming up as misspelled and things like

769
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: that is different kind of BacT things like that now

770
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: for the NFL, and and and and you also need

771
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: to have Yiddish words approved for it as yes, because

772
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: during that press conference, Pat Sherber had to get clarification

773
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: whether or not that was hit a short a different language.

774
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I actually went back and I listened to like probably

775
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: his last four or five press conferences and actually put

776
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of drops for our board here for the show. Um,

777
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: I haven't put it on there yet, but boy, it

778
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: is high comedy. It's great. He's the best. And you

779
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: know it just shows what like a little personality and

780
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: a smile and just going about your business like you

781
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: love it and you're having fun. Makes all the differences

782
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: without it how he does. And he also he has

783
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: some fun at the media's expense. But you could tell

784
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: it's not coming from a nasty place. It's just easy, know,

785
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: dropping a singer here or there, and they're taking the

786
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: punches and moving along, which I think a hand some

787
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: more flavor and flare to the press count. Absolutely, I'm

788
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: personally not complaining. All right, let's move along here on

789
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: the phone lines two zero one three. We got David

790
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Dave, welcome aboard. What do you got for us? Hey?

791
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: How are we doing? I'm doing good? Uh? I got

792
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: a two questions. One for Evan Ingerman. I want to

793
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: talk about Kyle let Um. I know we lost Brandon Marshall.

794
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Obviously he didn't really perform as well as expected last year.

795
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Neither did pretty much everybody on the team. But we

796
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: do have a big hole at having a big target

797
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And I just look at the All Star.

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: I look at Evan Inger speed and size and be

799
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: better off the number two wide receiver. Um, you know

800
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: because dalling to look at Um Sarling Shepherd. They're both

801
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, under six ft guys, more of a slot

802
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: type of body size. You know, where's that out that

803
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: outside deep threat? You know? I get Ingram heat, okay blocker,

804
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: but really we've got rhet Els and you know, and

805
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: and what Drell Adams both six ft like five like

806
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: to fifty probably better blockers than Ingram. You maybe see

807
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: that kind of alignment, you know, change for position type

808
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: of change I would save. What I would say is

809
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: don't obsess over what position is next to their name.

810
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: U talk about the role they're going to play. And

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Speaker 1: I think the minute you just assigned Evan Ingram as

812
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and you split them out wide on

813
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: every play, you almost take away the advantage he gets

814
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: as the tight end, because if you line him up

815
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage and he's a threat to

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00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: be a blocker, you'll get it matched up on a lineback.

817
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: You'll get him lined up as a matched up against

818
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: the safety, and I think that helps him in the offense. Um.

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00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: I think, and we had this call last week too,

820
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: I think Evan Ingham's presence as that, you know why,

821
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: tight end gives you what you need from a big receiver,

822
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: especially in the red zone. Even last year we saw

823
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: them line up Evan Ingram outside man on man with

824
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the smaller cornerback in the red zone where you take

825
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: advantage of his size. So I think with Shepherd Beckham,

826
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Ingram being the big target, whether you have him in

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00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: the slott, you have him on the line, or wherever

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00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: you line them up, it's fine. I don't think you

829
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: have a need for your traditional big second wide receiver.

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00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah could maybe Cody lamberder Win that job, sure, but

831
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: I would just put the guy there I think is

832
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: the best player and you figure it out from there.

833
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Because of Evan Ingram and the his ability to create

834
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: mismatches and his size, I don't think you have to

835
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: push it trying to find a really big hy receiver outside. Yeah,

836
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: he's versatile enough you move him around, which we saw

837
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: last season. So I mean, I think they're going to

838
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: continue to do that. And the other thing is there's

839
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Speaker 1: nothing stopping the Giants Dave from having Ingram on the

840
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: field and having Ellison on the field. I mean, I

841
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: could see the Giants may be utilizing more too tight

842
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: end formations given a lot of that, given the fact

843
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: that also Ellison had experience with Pat Shermer in Minnesota,

844
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: and also one of the other tight end you didn't mentioned,

845
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Carter, was also signed, who also was with Shermer

846
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. So he's got two Vikings tight ends that

847
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: have familiarity with the system. So when you take that

848
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: into consideration, it wouldn't surprise me if one of two

849
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: of those guys is a blocker, and then that frees

850
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: up Ingram for lining up in a variety of spots.

851
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: You just want to get the best talent on the field.

852
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: It makes no difference whether or not it's two small

853
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers at a tight end, two big tight ends

854
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and one wide receiver. Just get the best talent on

855
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: the field. And you use Ellison as a fullback to Yep,

856
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: it's another option. And I agree with all that. I

857
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: think Eli in his past is at his best when

858
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: he has a bigger target on the outside at times.

859
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: So if they line ingerm out there at times, mix

860
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: and match, you know, I think that's great. You know,

861
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, Dave real quick, they haven't had

862
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: a big target outside since Plassical Barus. I mean, I

863
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: mean I think he was in his best Yeah, yeah,

864
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: but no, I see. I think Eli Manning's best every

865
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: year was two thousand eleven, when it's two Wood his

866
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: two receivers as a Keen Knicks and Victor Cruz. The

867
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: Keen Knicks was six one Victor Cruz is five eleven

868
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: six ft and and I thought helied his best year anyway,

869
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: details Schmidt is not that imporn. What's your second point,

870
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: the sacond point? U kyl loletta Um. I don't know

871
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: if you guys have seen. There's like a like a

872
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: website or video with Kirk Cousins on some type of

873
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: like not Natty Ice, but some type of like white Ice.

874
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: Uh prom Obviously it's about thirty minutes of video of

875
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Aletta with Kirk Cousins, and Uh. I gained a

876
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: lot of respect for both both those guys. That the

877
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: work ethic and intellect and drive from Kirk and you

878
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: know the follow up and and intellect, uh and passion

879
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: from a lot of you haven't seen it, Um, definitely

880
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: go and watch. It's really unbelievable. I think it's leading

881
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: up to the draft for them. But you know, when

882
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: I was coming up to the draft, I I thought

883
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: a number two, you know, if Donald was there, you know,

884
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: like John, I was a fan of Donald. Obviously I

885
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: love say Quom too, so I'm not unhappy. But um,

886
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: I think drafting will Let in the fourth round was

887
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: extremely smart take because I think the value of a quarterback.

888
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: You know, look at the draft. You can take a

889
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: wide you know, certain positions they appreciate in value, but

890
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback only appreciates in value. And I love Davis

891
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Webb two. I think great character, good uh skill, set.

892
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: But in the fourth round, we're looking at a guy who,

893
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: whether he starts or not, is going to a in

894
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: herot maybe second round value if he performs in the

895
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: preseason or something like that. And you look at what

896
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: the Patriots did with Garoppolo Pursette. They get value by

897
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: showing off some quality backup quarterbacks and whether they use

898
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: them or not getting something back in return. So I

899
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: just wanted to bring up that point and you what

900
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: you guys stopped? Hey, Dave real quick before you let

901
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: you go. Is it a video of Cousins and Loletta

902
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: on the field working out together? Is it more just

903
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: like a conversation between the two. No, it's it's it's

904
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: at like Kirk Cousins like California house, and it's kind

905
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: of like, hey, if you work hard enough, you succeed,

906
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: you can have all this like sitting out on the

907
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: edge of the bay. It's actually but it's like it's

908
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: like five different, like five minute videos in sequential order.

909
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: But check it out for any any fan or like

910
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: out there. I think they also sit down with like

911
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: a few other quarterbacks coming into the draft. Um. But

912
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: it's I mean really insightful, um going over plays going

913
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: over what it takes to succeed. When I found it

914
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: found it, I was like, Wow, this is really cool,

915
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: so definitely check it out. I'll check it out, Dave,

916
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: thanks to the call man. Appreciate it all right, Um,

917
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: as to his point about Loletta, Um quarterbacks don't always

918
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: appreciate it and value. Remember that it doesn't happen all

919
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, perfect example, you brought it up before.

920
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Ryan Nassip is a guy who at some point looked

921
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: like you might have been able to breakthrough and then

922
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: it kind of, you know, flitted away, whether it was

923
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: injury or whatever. So again the trick is, you know,

924
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: he says, if Kyle Aletta plays in the preseseason and performs, well,

925
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: well that's the if you know. There's no guarantee that's

926
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen. UM. I watched about three of his games

927
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Lance last week in in preparation UM to talk to

928
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: his head coach, Um russ Housman last week, and I

929
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: really think the scattering reports on him are really dead on,

930
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, really accurate middle intermediate short

931
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. Um doesn't need the

932
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: big arm because he anticipates so well, guys aren't even

933
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: at the top of their route and he's letting the

934
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: ball go. The guy breaks any times perfectly. It's it's

935
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: really phenomenal. Um moves around fairly well. But and I like,

936
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: we talked to a guy last week. I'm not sure

937
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: if you were with us or not. Um. They talked

938
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: about how maybe on some of the deep stuff he

939
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: suffers accuracy wise. And I saw that. And I saw

940
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: a couple of plays outside the numbers trying to push

941
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: ball down the field. Maybe he didn't have quite enough arm.

942
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: So I to me, after watching him on tape for

943
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: three of war games, I think the scouting report dead on.

944
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: And the other thing I'll add and at all, I

945
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: would never say this a Paul here because I think

946
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: he might throw me down and choke me to death.

947
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: But coming out of school, I think he's more ready

948
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: to play the NFL game than Davis Webb in terms

949
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: of what he was asked to do. In his last

950
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: couple of years in college. UM, I saw more NFL

951
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: style route concepts and you know, things of that nature. Um.

952
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: He played on their center in his first couple of

953
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: years in college before they changed the head coach at Richmond,

954
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: and he actually had four different offensive coordinators, So him

955
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: and Webb is similar that way that he kind of

956
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: moved around a lot of different at different offensive coordinators.

957
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: But um, Web more gifted physically better tools. UM. I

958
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know what Loletta is like all the field. I

959
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: know Web is tremendous in terms of a character guy,

960
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: hard working. UM, but I think in terms of the

961
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: process of playing quarterback in the offense and things like that,

962
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: I think Loletta probably did more NFL type things in

963
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: college than Davis Webb did. No, I think that's fair.

964
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: I actually the other day on My Serious Show, I

965
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: spoke to John Garrett, who's Jason Garrett's brother, who was

966
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator at Richmond two thousand sixteen, and you know,

967
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: he spoke very highly of his intellect. And that's what

968
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I've been hearing from a lot of people. That's not

969
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: to say that David Webb is not a smart guy.

970
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: That's the same thing they say about Davids Webb. But

971
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: John Garrett. The reason I bring that up to compliment

972
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: your point about him running pro style ready offenses is

973
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: because John Garrett was a longtime coach in the NFL.

974
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: He's tied end close for the Cowboys exactly. And he

975
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: was also an assistant with the Bengals, and he was

976
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: a wide receiver coach of the Bucks. So if you

977
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: have an offensive coordinator who has been around NFL offense

978
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: is he's probably going to ask his college quarterbacks to

979
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: take on some of that responsibility. And you know the

980
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: term that he used, he said that he had a

981
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: photographic memory is how he described Kyla Let his intellect

982
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: where you told the guy once and then he give

983
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: him a clean board and have him set up a

984
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: play and would not miss a beat. So you know,

985
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: the intellect is what I'm hearing a lot about in

986
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: terms of the off the field concerts. But it's the

987
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: same thing in terms of the accuracy. They're got to

988
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: work on the deep ball. Most people have had a

989
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: very similar scouting report, and I think that is reflected

990
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: on the film, and both of these guys gonna have

991
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity to compete. I mean, as far as the

992
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: Colder's point, you could find fourth round picks that have

993
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: panned out very well in the NFL, and then you

994
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: could have find fourth round picks that have not panned out.

995
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: A lot of it is opportunity. And you know he

996
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: brought up Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby percent. Remember both of

997
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: those players got into regular season games. So the Patriots

998
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: were able to bring their stocks up as a result

999
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: of teams seeing what they did in regular season games

1000
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: as opposed to you just throwing a quarterback out there

1001
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: John for a preseason snapper. Two garoo? What one regular

1002
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: season game he got into or two? Did they respiration

1003
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. But you know Prossett

1004
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: got in obviously because of the suspension when Brady got

1005
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: suspended said got banged up, if you remember. And then

1006
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy did two games if I'm correct on

1007
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the wait a second, or did Jimmy play the first

1008
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: game and then he got hurt with the concussions? Right?

1009
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: Did he get a concussion? Is that what he got?

1010
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: He that's something and that and and then Brisset I

1011
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: think he played. It was definitely the two of them

1012
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: split the four games, correct. I think Brissette played in

1013
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: three of them though, because remember he had to turn

1014
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: around and play on a Thursday quickly after and they

1015
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: basically revamped the entire offense to accommodate set and Obviously,

1016
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: Garoppolo got sprained his A C joint two against the Dolphins. Okay,

1017
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: so he played two games and that's then when played too.

1018
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Actually know the britty gets spent the four six games.

1019
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: We got four four, so two, Okay, there we go.

1020
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: So they had an opportunity to showcase both of them.

1021
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: And that's another reason why I think obviously they were

1022
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: able to trade both of them. Also Garoppolo, and this

1023
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: is just my opinion, I believe there was a lot

1024
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: more hype surrounding him entering the draft, and there was

1025
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: Kyo lolett I know Kylo Letton and Jimmy Garoppolo have

1026
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: been compared as guys that didn't go in the first

1027
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: round that have a lot of upside. But to me,

1028
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot more about Jimmy g and his

1029
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: upside then you were in terms of Kyle a letter

1030
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: regardless of what let accomplish at the Senior Bowl. Yes,

1031
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: I think that's probably true. I agree with you. All right,

1032
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines as we move

1033
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: along with the conversation. Coach Marvin is in Delaware. Coach Marvin,

1034
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: what's happening? How you doing? John? And Lance Hi how

1035
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: you doing real quick? Uh. I was thinking about the

1036
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: Barkley pick and what the how this team can create.

1037
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Hopefully they will um out of that twelve personnels. You're

1038
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: looking at the things they can do out of that.

1039
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Out of that personnel that they bring in. If it's

1040
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: twelve personnels, you get someone like Ingram you can put

1041
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: in the slot. Um Also Ingram you can put on

1042
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: the outside and move Backham and Barkley to the backfield.

1043
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: As long as they're in the shotgun, you ain't gonna

1044
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: want back on blocking and the blitzers. But there's a

1045
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of mix of that twelve personnel. I

1046
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to do and hopefully they utilize

1047
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: that similar to the way Patriots did it in their

1048
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: years of twelve personnelity. So I believe you'll get a

1049
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: lot of mismatches out of that, uh, out of that grouping,

1050
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: because how are the defense going to come in. Are

1051
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: they gonna come in with their base? Are they going

1052
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: to come in with a nickel and you've got two

1053
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: tight ends normally looking at it, they come in with

1054
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: their base. So I think they can create a lot

1055
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: of mismatches out of that formation. So hopefully they get

1056
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: creative with that this season. So the other thing I

1057
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: wanted to say is, uh, I think his name is

1058
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Charlie Main. He made a statement I'm not too long

1059
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: ago that he not for sure that the Giants had

1060
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: signed some un undrafted free agents. But then in the

1061
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: same statement he says, why they don't announce it, And

1062
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: of course it is how did he know they signed

1063
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: them if they never announced it? So well, you know, well,

1064
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't. Coach Marvin now goes there

1065
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: are reports online that are unverified, unconfirmed, and you know,

1066
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: fans read him and then they think it's it's official.

1067
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: But I want to go back earlier this year, there

1068
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: was a player at free agency who had agreed the

1069
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: terms with somebody, and then when frangency started, the team

1070
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: were sending the contract on the claim of bad physical

1071
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: Do you remember the player I'm talking about the team,

1072
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly, And I can't remember the player, but

1073
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one that I think it was maybe, Yeah,

1074
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: that sounds right. Yeah, it was a receiver. I think

1075
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: he went to Chicago. I believe I know what you're

1076
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what, it was a former I'll

1077
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: give you an example, it was there was a deal

1078
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: that Bashot Brelan, the Redskins corner had set up. He's

1079
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: physical was failed, and then they were sitting that deal.

1080
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: And then I think there was another former Redskin that

1081
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: had a similar deal with some other team. And also

1082
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: that deal was Grant Ryan Grant. They grant with Baltimore.

1083
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: That right, that's right, And I forget who was talking.

1084
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Both of those players had eels that we're sitting. I'll

1085
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: give you another example. Frank Gore, if you remember, had

1086
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: an agreement with the Eagles and then turned around and

1087
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: the wound up going to the Colts. So that's another

1088
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: reason why teams wait to make anything official until the

1089
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: name Carlos Boozer with the Cavs and the jag you're

1090
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: going to comments don't mean anything, yeah, right, And I agree,

1091
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: he just gotta sit and wait until this thing is final,

1092
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: and don't read too much into what you read. Um.

1093
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: And my last statement is he also said something about

1094
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Flowers and he's not the only one. I mean, he's

1095
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: a passionate fan, So I don't discredit Charlie for that.

1096
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: He's passing it a little bit over the top for me,

1097
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: but I don't not the only one like him. Yeah,

1098
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: and um he was talking about Flowers throwing them on

1099
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: the back in as a coach Flowers is I mean,

1100
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: he probably haven't proven anything. Well, he's improved that the

1101
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: season's gone, not to the degree we want, but he

1102
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: has improved. And my thing is this is the perfect

1103
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: time he has to get somebody de mote avate him

1104
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: and everybody's motivated differently. He's been threatened right now. His

1105
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: career has been threatened, and maybe that would set the fire.

1106
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: My thing is bring him in and I would it

1107
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: was me, I would be talking to him, but I

1108
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: would let him know if he's angry, that's what I

1109
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: want him to be. I want him to come into

1110
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: this camp angry, improving the people that he deserves to

1111
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: be here. Sometimes that turn players around, and I think

1112
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: that's what that's That's why you need to bring him

1113
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: in and give him a chance. I don't believe in

1114
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: just letting this guy go. They own him. If he

1115
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: doesn't make the team, you cut him. But I think

1116
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: you can use this uh in his advantage. Thank you, coach,

1117
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. My friends good stuff, And I'm with

1118
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: coach Marvin there I would not have the urgency to

1119
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: get rid of a player, you know, whether or not

1120
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: he's high on the list of guys that you're into

1121
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: or he's law on the list, because there's no crime

1122
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: in having another player with starting experience who was your

1123
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: left tackle coming in competing and the best man win.

1124
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: If you don't think he's part of the best fifty three,

1125
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: you move on from him. But we're way too early

1126
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: at this point to say get rid of a player

1127
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: when you have a nine d man roster. So I

1128
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: don't see any harm in allowing him and having the

1129
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: invitation for him to come in the training camp and

1130
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: compete for the right tackle job. He wins it, great,

1131
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then you determine what you want to

1132
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: do with it. And I have a good tweet want

1133
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: to try to get to him at hashtag giants chat

1134
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: from Peruna Salzer um, how would Eric Flowers be any

1135
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: better on the right side? And I know Lance and

1136
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: I I think we're in conjunction on this um in

1137
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: terms of a lot of people still believe you can

1138
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: just go put this guy on the right side and

1139
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: right tackle and you can hide him and oh, you

1140
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with great players on the right side,

1141
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: and all you know, he might not be going to

1142
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: play lost, but he can play right tackle, folks. And

1143
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: and I'm again I'm happy I'm saying this when Paul's

1144
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: not here. You there's really no difference anymore. And and

1145
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you're gonna face just as many great

1146
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: great pass rushers playing right tackle as you are plan

1147
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: left tack All right, I shouldn't the opposite. There I

1148
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: did wrong hands, But you've been in and out there

1149
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: are there are great pass rushers at both sides. I mean,

1150
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: just look at the teams in the Giants Division. Ryan

1151
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: Carrigan's the Redskins best defensive lineman. Where does he play

1152
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: over the right tackle? The Marcus Lawrence is the Cowboys

1153
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: best pass rusher. Where does he play over the right tackle?

1154
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham is the right is the Eagles best pass rusher?

1155
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: Where does he play most of his snaps over the

1156
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: right tackle? Von Miller, Khalil Mack, J. J. Watt Go

1157
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: down the freaking list. Okay, they're all over the right tackle.

1158
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: And it might even be tougher because it's been so

1159
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: long since he's played right tackles, so he's gotta what

1160
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: swap his footwork all the way around. So, guys, this

1161
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: is gonna be a very difficult transition. And hopefully when

1162
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: he gets here he'll work on and then they'll be

1163
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: able to play well there. But there are no guarantees. Yeah,

1164
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't played right since Miami. Freshman year of miamis yeah.

1165
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: And then on top of the college years, he has

1166
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: since moved to left tackle. And even if most people

1167
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: feel he's a better run blocker, meaning he could be

1168
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: effective on the right side, I get that. I've heard

1169
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: that a lot, he's still gonna have to pass protect

1170
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: on the right side. Is he coming out of the

1171
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: game on third and eight all of a sudden. It's

1172
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: not like you just say, okay, just block so that

1173
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: we could run the football off your edge. No, then

1174
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: on third downs they're gonna throw the wolves at you,

1175
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: and you gotta be in position to take care of business.

1176
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: My same argument for d J. Fluker and you know,

1177
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: and again Paul yell at me. You know, we saw

1178
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: two games and in the last year Fluker get beat

1179
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: on stunts and Eli Manning got sacked, fumbled the ball

1180
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: and the game was over. Single handedly short circuited to

1181
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: two minute drills because he didn't know want to handle

1182
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: the stunt. All right, I get it. He knocks people

1183
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: down the run game, it's fun. Guess what if you

1184
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: can't pass protecting this league, you can't play? Is that simple?

1185
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: You come a liability. You have to protect the quarterback. Period.

1186
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: Let's get to our Scott's in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening? Hi? Guys?

1187
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I must be the eternal optimist

1188
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: because I think the Giants are gonna win the Super

1189
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: Bowl this year. Well, Scott, you're a fan. You should

1190
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: think that way, Okay, But in order to do that,

1191
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: you have to have the credentials. And I was curious, Um,

1192
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: as the draft is now over and free agency is

1193
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: basically over, I wanted to get your opinion on how

1194
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: the Giants stack up with the rest of the division Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia.

1195
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Do you think they're on par or do they still

1196
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: have the weaknesses against those other teams? Or do the

1197
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Giants can Can the Giants hold their own against those

1198
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: other teams in the division? Look, I I think you

1199
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: have to tip your cats, Pilly that the Super Bowl champions.

1200
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: They haven't lost really that many key essential players from

1201
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: that roster, and they're gonna have Marcus Peters back this

1202
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: year at WI to certainly helps as they're starting left tackle. So, UM,

1203
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: I think you have to one w back. I'm sorry,

1204
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: Jason Peters the left tackle. UM, I think you have

1205
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: to tip your cat to the Eagles and kind of

1206
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: give them the the early favorite push. UM. I would

1207
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: put the Giants, you know, on a similar level as

1208
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Is the team I think will probably be,

1209
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, in that five area. If you play well,

1210
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe you go ten and six. If you don't play

1211
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: so well, maybe you go seven or nine or eight

1212
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: and eight. I put them in those two teams in

1213
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: the same category. And I'll be interested to see what

1214
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: the Redskins do this year because to me, they're a

1215
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a wild car. They have a new quarterback.

1216
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: The head coach is still there, obviously, UM, we'll see

1217
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: how Darius guys can transform that running game. They have

1218
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: a good offensive line. I worry about their receivers, and

1219
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Reid's always heard a tight end. Their

1220
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: defenses struggled over the years, but they're adding more pieces.

1221
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: I think the Redskins are a bit of a wild Car,

1222
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: But I think the Giants are right there with Dallas,

1223
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: with Washington, and again just out of respect is of

1224
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: how well they did last year. I think you gotta

1225
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: put them all kind of a notch below Philadelphia at

1226
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: this point, but the end, I felt anything could happen. Yeah,

1227
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has the best defensive line in the NFC East.

1228
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, personally, I don't think it's close with any

1229
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: of those other teams. Philipelp Yeah. I mean they've got

1230
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of depth John you know, and then

1231
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: they added Helodi nod At this offseason, so you know,

1232
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: he can rotate Jim Shorts just about anybody he wants,

1233
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what Dave Gettlman was emphasizing. And you know,

1234
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: I think their secondary also is going to improve because

1235
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, one of the corners they drafted last year

1236
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: did not play Washington, Kay, and then you know you

1237
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: still have Malcolm Jenkins in the mix. I love their

1238
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: linebacking corps. You'd be very hard pressed to tell me

1239
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: that another defense as it stands right now, matches the

1240
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: experience in the depth that Philadelphia has. As far as

1241
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: the offense goes, I see a lot of question marks

1242
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: with the three teams outside of Philadelphia. I think Washington

1243
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: you laid out a few things. I would add, you know,

1244
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: their running game. What happens with the running game this

1245
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: year for Washington, we'll see what guys you know. And

1246
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: then Sama J. P. Ryan, who's still very much in

1247
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: the mix, what happens with him. Chris Thompson's gotta come

1248
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: back fully healthy. Remember, is a huge part of their

1249
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: running game, and they're receiving game, so I want to

1250
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: see what transpires there. Dallas, you know, their defense is

1251
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: always a big question mark. You know, is this the

1252
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: year that that young secondary takes the next step. They

1253
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of young guys on decorrect. That's gonna

1254
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: be important for them at all levels to improve internally

1255
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: because they didn't bring in a lot of new guys side.

1256
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: That's why it's got to grow. They lost Anthony Hitchens,

1257
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: a very good lineback or so significant loss. Yeah, they're

1258
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna really need their young guys on death. And then

1259
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, the the other thing with Dallas is the

1260
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Their wide receivers. You know, they brought in

1261
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns and then they pretty much have Terrence Williams

1262
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: and Cole Beasley no dead anymore. Zeke's gonna come back

1263
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: from the suspension. Also, I thought the offensive line when

1264
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith got hurt, struggled because they didn't really have

1265
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: great depth. Now they have Cameron flu do you bring

1266
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: and you also drafted Connor Williams, So you know, let's

1267
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: see what those two guys do in the event they

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Speaker 1: have to step in. Like I said, I think Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: is here and and for those of you not watching them,

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Speaker 1: holding my hand up high, and then I think right

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Speaker 1: below Philadelphia as high as you can lift, Yes, well

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Speaker 1: I can only get so high. You can get much higher.

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Speaker 1: I have my limitation. Yes, I think that's no, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: I'll play along. I'll give you this singer on that one.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, behind them, I really think the

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Speaker 1: Giants of the Cowboys and the Redskins are all in

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Speaker 1: this one big pack. And you know you're gonna give

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Speaker 1: one team an edge here or they're based on one

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Speaker 1: facet of their team. But I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: huge disparity between those other three. Okay, uh, just final question,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it off the air. Uh, would you say

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Speaker 1: that the Rams right now are pretty much a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into the super Bowl or no, I am

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Speaker 1: I look at that. You know what the changes they made,

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Speaker 1: uh not not necessarily the team to to get there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guy, appreciate the call. I think the NFC this

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Speaker 1: year is one of the stronger top to bottom conferences

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Speaker 1: I've seen in maybe a decade. I could see the

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Speaker 1: Rams gone to the Super Bowl. I could obviously the

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Speaker 1: Eagles going to the super Bowl. I could see the

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Speaker 1: Saints making a run to the super Bowl. I could

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Speaker 1: see the Vikings making a run to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I could see the Falcons making a run to the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. And those are five teams where if you

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Speaker 1: told me any one of those five teams made the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, I wouldn't be surprised one bit. That's five teams.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants have a shot. The Cowboys are one

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Speaker 1: years off the thirteen and three. They have a shot.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys, the Giants one year off eleven and five. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Panthers won eleven games last year. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: include him in this, Carolina. I didn't include Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and the Packers in this either. They're damn good. Oh

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Speaker 1: and by the way, how about that other team in

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Speaker 1: the NFC West that's also pretty good. No, I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about the Seattle Seahawks. I'm not talking about the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners. You know they they're They're just

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Speaker 1: good teams all across this conference. Lance, I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: this year to win the wild card in the NFC,

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Speaker 1: I think it's minimum ten games. You might eat eleven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess you're referring to the Cardinals, the team that Actually,

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Speaker 1: actually I ran out of teams. I've made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: I meant the Rams, which is why I kind of

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Speaker 1: just tried to steat that. Thank you for calling out

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Speaker 1: which team. I'm sorry, no, because I thought I thought

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Speaker 1: you were going the route. Because I think San Francisco

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Speaker 1: is a dangerous team. I think they're dangerous, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not just saying it because of Jimmy Garoppolo. I like

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Speaker 1: some of the free agents they had. I worry about

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Speaker 1: their defense. I think their offensive because I think their

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Speaker 1: defenses might struggle at the one concern I have for

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Speaker 1: the Niners is I don't mind their front seven. It's

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Speaker 1: the secondary, which was an absolute mess last season. What

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Speaker 1: happens with the second let's see what happens there. But

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Speaker 1: the Niners I still think are good to be that

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Speaker 1: nine and seven team potentially where maybe they're knocking on

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Speaker 1: the door of the wild card. But what I think

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Speaker 1: you spelled out and I would agree with you, you

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Speaker 1: can make a case that every single one of those

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Speaker 1: divisions is three to four deep, which means you're essentially

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Speaker 1: making a case for just about every team in the

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Speaker 1: division the lines of one nine games the last couple

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Speaker 1: of so you know, most years you're normally saying in

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Speaker 1: the West, you know, it's the Seahawks and the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and the Niners have had issues. In the South,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Saints have had defensive troubles, the Bucks

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Speaker 1: it's been hard to take them seriously. In the North,

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Speaker 1: the Bears have been trying to rebuild, and the Lions

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Speaker 1: have been inconsistent. In the East, Listen, all you need

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Speaker 1: to do is look at the last time a team

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Speaker 1: went back to back division titles in the NFC East. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles in the early two thousands. So that's the answer, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'll put it this way, and this is the

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Speaker 1: last thing before us to go bybecause you I want

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Speaker 1: to get to lunch. Out of all the teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFC, all right, which ones would you be confident

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Speaker 1: in saying, I really believe this team is going to

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Speaker 1: have a top ten pick in the draft next year.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question, Bears, Bears. I I could throw

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Speaker 1: out there that perhaps there's still another year or two away,

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Speaker 1: like what it shock you have? The Bucks won seven

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Speaker 1: and have a lot of talent on that team. I agree,

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Speaker 1: So I think you're looking at Chicago. Um, I'd be

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Speaker 1: surprised that the Redskins were picking top ten. I think

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Speaker 1: they have a good enough team with Alex Smith to

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Speaker 1: pick outside the top ten. So maybe the Seahawks. But

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's still there. Mentioned it, Russell Wilson. It's the

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Speaker 1: top five quarterback DAN League. So I mean you look

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Speaker 1: at it, what two teams that you maybe think could

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Speaker 1: be in the top ten next year in terms of picks.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is a damn good conference and

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Speaker 1: the Giants have the work cut out for him to

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Speaker 1: win enough games and they got to play the NFC

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Speaker 1: souths to me is the best division of football. So

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it will be, and and we'll get a better idea

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Speaker 1: as we see what happens in training camp and see

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Speaker 1: how the depth charts pan out as well as the rosters.

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Speaker 1: And of course health health, Well that's what I said,

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Speaker 1: that's the wild card. That's what we's the X factor,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we were talking earlier about Dez Bryant

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Speaker 1: could very well have an opportunity simply because of an

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Speaker 1: injury that nobody expected. All right, that's gonna wrap up

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Speaker 1: Monday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Lives. Certainly appreciate everybody

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, back up and running tomorrow noon Eastern

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Speaker 1: for the latest edition to Big Blue Kickoff Live. As

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Speaker 1: we continue to get you said for rookie Minicamp, for

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Speaker 1: John sch Malcolm Lance Meadow, try the rest of your

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Speaker 1: Monday right here on Giants dot com. I go have

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