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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and what comes.

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Speaker 2: Stefane never told you your protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Oh what a lovely day.

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Speaker 3: Annie.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why I think it's such a lovely day?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Please tell me, Samantha.

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Speaker 5: Because I get to take over and talk about a

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Speaker 5: fictional character.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am so excited for you, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: it's so fun.

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Speaker 5: Walk on to this side, like I'm going to watch

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Speaker 5: this show which I've watched so many times, especially the

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Speaker 5: first like five seasons, four seasons, and I'm going to

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Speaker 5: talk about a character that I love also hate. Ooh okay,

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Speaker 5: yeah yeah, So yes, I am taking over for the

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Speaker 5: fictional women around the world today because I was like.

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Speaker 1: It's December, let's switch it up.

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Speaker 5: And I decided because we were talking about Frozen and

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Speaker 5: the many Disney characters and how it cut all overlaps

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Speaker 5: and what that looks like because it's not just Disney

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Speaker 5: but also just fairy tales in general, and so I

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Speaker 5: wanted to talk about Once upon a Time or Once

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Speaker 5: as I Saw It, which is a series I was

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Speaker 5: all the Disney characters, including Anna and Elsa from Frozen,

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Speaker 5: which was one of the I think one of the

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Speaker 1: Seasons m hm of this show.

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Speaker 5: But we're not talking about her, Nope, nope, nope, or

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Speaker 5: them in general. And we're not even talking about the

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Speaker 5: main main character, who was Emma Swan played by Jennifer

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Speaker 5: Morrison from that main doctor show House.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, House, thank you for translating for.

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Speaker 5: Annie, is my older sister that translates for the younger

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Speaker 5: or the daughter that translated for the older. That's fine,

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Speaker 5: not fine, But yes, we're not talking about Emma Swan,

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Speaker 5: who was the main character of this show. Well, I

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Speaker 5: guess it's technically there's several, but she kind of is

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Speaker 5: not talking about Henry Mills, who is her son, played

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Speaker 5: by Jerry S. Gilmore, which, by the way, I get

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Speaker 5: on I'm talking about TikTok all the time, But I

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Speaker 5: was on once TikTok essentially where it showed this now

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Speaker 5: it's kind of sweet holding his normal life. Good on you. No,

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Speaker 5: but I am actually talking about the antagonists of the

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Speaker 5: first season, the one we love to hate but hate

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Speaker 5: to love both of those things. The Evil Queen or

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Speaker 1: You just still love her.

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Speaker 5: And yes, I'm assuming there's a lot of shipping fanfic.

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Speaker 3: With her and Lana her nammummy.

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Speaker 4: So you brought this up when we were hanging out recently,

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Speaker 4: and just like fortuitously, a listener from France Elitie wrote in,

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Speaker 4: and if I may yes quote quickly, I felt like

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Speaker 4: sending you a little message. Mostly motivated by hack sited

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Speaker 4: I was when Samantha mentioned she is was a once fan. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it took me back to such a time of my life,

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Speaker 4: and I was super involved in fandoms, especially on Tumblr.

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Speaker 1: Night, Jilly, that's why we need you.

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Speaker 2: So that's just my interjection. I like this so excited,

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Speaker 5: So yes, all of these things. We also will go

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Speaker 5: of my favorite shows before before I got into cat Ramas.

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Speaker 5: This is one of those repeat shows that I had

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Speaker 5: So if you enjoyed Lost, you have a lot of

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Speaker 5: and Lana Paria actually went into that spin off as well.

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Speaker 5: But she is glorious. But everything about this show is

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Speaker 5: But we have many, many, many many fairy tale characters

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Speaker 3: Break the curse. So there you go. So that's kind

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Speaker 5: And yes, Henry is adopted by Regina Mills Slash the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So here's a character analysis from character dot com

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Speaker 5: It says she is the mayor storybook. In addition to

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Speaker 5: her duties quote unquote as evil Queen, she keeps watch

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Speaker 5: Stepmother to snow White or Margaret Mary Margaret. Her interests

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Speaker 1: She crushes, she crushes their heart.

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Speaker 5: So let me introduce you to Regina or later on

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