1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: never told you protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: another edition of Happy Hour, back after a hiatus, but 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: here we are. This one is kind of an unhappy Hour. 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: I'll talk about it more in a second, but I 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be fine. That's always comforting when someone 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: says that at the front, right. As always with these, 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: if you choose to do do so, drink responsibly. I'm once 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 1: again sticking to my red wine. Red wine, that's all 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: I really have. Ye, and what are you drinking, Samantha, 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm sticking to bubble water. Yeah, my own advice. Not 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: been a good week, so therefore we'll not be drinking. 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: There you go, very wid It is very very wise. 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: So I guess content warning for this so on brief 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: discussion of trauma and discussion of issues around your nation, 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: because that is what we're gonna be talking about today. 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: I have actually never talked about this with anybody except 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: in therapy O. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's one 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: of those things. It's like been a part of my 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: life for so long that until my therapist was like, 21 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: has this always been an issue? Oh? Yeah? Okay, So 22 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: basically I'm not going to go too deep into it. 23 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: But I did have a very traumatic assault experience in 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: a bathroom as a child, pretty young, and since then 25 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I have a I mean, weirdness. I'm so dismissive. I 26 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: have a difficult time with bathrooms, especially like public bathrooms, 27 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: even bathrooms at friends places. When I was at kid, 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: I used to get kiddie infections pretty regularly because I 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: refused to go to the bathroom and I have to 30 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: take this pill that would turn my pea blue and 31 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: it's very, very painful, and I wouldn't like we would 32 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: go on these nine hour road trips and refuse to 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. And it's a thing like people 34 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: comment on it to this day. They're like, why, I 35 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: don't understand how you can because I drink a lot 36 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: of water when I'm like a event like dragon Kna, 37 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: drink my alcohol, please drink responsibly, and I just don't 38 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: go the bathroom that much. And it was a real 39 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: issue too in our old office because I was in 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: a back corner and so I'd have to go around 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: people and something about that. I would be like, I'll 42 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: just die here first, Like I'm making light of it 43 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: because it is kind of like an embarrassing It shouldn't be, 44 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: but it feels like an embarrassing thing to talk about. 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: And I didn't like we were doing D and D 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and I was the dungeon master, the 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: game master or whatever, and it was virtual, and I 48 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: still could never like get out out of the bathroom 49 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: or like we remember we have those meetings at work 50 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: on Zoom, I would be stuck in them even if 51 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: they went way over and I had to pee because 52 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't just leave. And it's stupid because no one 53 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: was in my home, like nothing's going to happen. I 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: live alone, but there are friends houses, like I've never 55 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: used the bathroom in their house. Never if I can't 56 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: put my foot on the door or somehow block it, 57 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: I won't use the bathroom in a public place. And 58 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: I've recently learned. One of the reasons I wanted to 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: talk about this is I've recently learned this. It's actually 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: not that I won't say not rare. But I know 61 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: a couple of friends and I got to talking about it, 62 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: and they had a similar experience. Although one of my 63 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: friends said it was fomal like she was afraid she 64 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: left the room to use the bathroom she would miss something. 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, which I also get. I also get, 66 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: and I think that's part of what's going on. But 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: it's definitely all some of the trauma. And I hadn't 68 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: realized it until my therapist. I forgot about the kidney infections, 69 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: but that was a big part of my life for 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: a long time. I would get them regularly. My parents 71 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: would get so frustrated with me because they couldn't figure out, like, 72 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: if you have to peek, I don't you just go pete? 73 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. And it kind 74 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: of became a joke where people would jokingly time how 75 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: long it would take me to pete because I would 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: wait so long, and it was like, it sounds more 77 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: sinister than it is. Yeah, I don't think that helps 78 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: your trauma though, No, No, it certainly did. But we 79 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: were kids. This was like as a kid thing where 80 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: I was like okay, or they would be like, wow, 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: she never peas, but when she does, she piece along 82 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: and wait, wait, wait, wait to do it. But it 83 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: did build up on me for sure. I'm like, now 84 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: everyone knows about it, and people are paying more attention 85 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: to it. But I have noticed it started happening again, 86 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: which I'm trying to figure out because, as I said, 87 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: I live alone. I get it when I'm with other people, 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: even though I still don't like it, And most of 89 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: the time it's like friends of mine and it shouldn't 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: be a big deal, but I live alone, and so 91 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to like wrap my mind around what 92 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: that means. For a while, I used to frame it 93 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: in a very unhealthy ways, like being productive, like I 94 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: would time when I had to be based on like 95 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: if something was exporting on my computer and I couldn't 96 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: do anything else, and that's when I would do it. 97 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: It's kind of it reminds me of like my problems 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: with eating, where it's no longer about what my body 99 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: needs anymore. It's just a thing that I try to control, 100 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: which is a very common trauma response. But I don't 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: know it doesn't I don't like the it feels like 102 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm going backwards and I can't quite figure out why. 103 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: But it's it's one of the frustrating things too. In 104 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: terms of we talked about this in our trauma episodes. 105 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: There's so many things like throughout your day where you're like, 106 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: here's another reminder of that thing, and now it's this. Yeah, 107 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: I had you realized it, and I thought i'd gotten 108 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: better at it, but it never ends. You got to 109 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: do the work. Like their exasperation in this, you know, though, 110 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we're having an interesting week, you and I 111 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: in general, just like maybe just thinking on things, or 112 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the fact that and I've been thinking a lot about this, 113 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: and we've been talking a lot about crisis and trauma 114 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: and triggers and so many just ugly things that are happening. 115 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: And I think part of what you and I experience 116 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: is that we think we've done so much work and 117 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: we have that going backwards feels like failing, and it's 118 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: not actually failing, it's kind of just a reminder that 119 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: it is perpetual. You're never going to be perfectly okay 120 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: in any scenario because no matter how well you have 121 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: done in their rep no matter how amazing you've done, 122 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: how much good support you have, you can't stop a trigger. 123 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: You can't stop and forget and erase trauma that doesn't happen, 124 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: that will never ever happen. And that sucks so much 125 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: because we are going to do this. But what we 126 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: are doing that is better is confronting it quicker, able 127 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: to call it out and acknowledge it quicker. And I 128 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: think that's the progress. That's what we have to remember 129 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: because you'll always have that fear. It's just how you 130 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: react to it or how often it happens or how 131 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: often that trigger is going to bother you more so 132 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: because you have this on top of that, which is 133 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: what I was talking about in my past Monday Mini, 134 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: It's just a collective of things, and then it just 135 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: brought that one feeling that can incapacitate me. Yeah, even 136 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: though that's not the exact situation right when I was 137 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: thinking about this, this this is such a bigger situation than 138 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about because it is like a real stigma. 139 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: Like I said, I've never talked about this ever because 140 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: we don't talk about like our own bodily functions, especially 141 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: as women. And I know this is a huge issue 142 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: around the world, like safety around beeing are you using 143 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: the bathroom? And then when you put in like all 144 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: of this bullsh around trans people in bathrooms like it is, 145 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: there is a lot of trauma for a lot of 146 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: people around this, but we never talk about it. I 147 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: just never talk about it because we've stigmatized it so much, 148 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: like as kids, you don't even just taught like this 149 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: is not a this not polite, don't talk about it. 150 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: We have like ephemisms for everything, right, So I think 151 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: it was kind of a shocking moment when I was 152 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: in that therapy session and there this was like, wait, oh, yeah, 153 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: you're right, this is a normal, or at least it's 154 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: something I've gotten so used to. I haven't thought about 155 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: it right, like ever, even though I should have had, 156 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Like if you're regularly getting a pretty painful, serious infection 157 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and the only reason is at least according to what 158 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: doctors could tell me, is like you won't go to 159 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: the bathroom, you won't go pee, should maybe ask about that. Yeah, 160 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: but you know, I am. I do feel better. I 161 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: feel like I have made a lot of strides and 162 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: mindfulness and this is an important one. I think that 163 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: might be also why I'm kind of shaken by it. 164 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: It's because I haven't ever given it thoughts, and so 165 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: now that I am, I'm like, oh, yeah, when you 166 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: connect dots and you realize the deeper meaning, and I've 167 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: done this because I will have sensory flashbacks that I'm like, 168 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. Why am I emotional now? And 169 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: then you connect it. It's like kicking the gut, like 170 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: it changes your breath away about how you feel and 171 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,119 Speaker 1: how alarming it takes your whole body, like it's your 172 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: body responds because it remembers trauma. It's just so much 173 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: that we can't again. I hate that this sounds so bessimistic. 174 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: I know I sound like a downer all the time, 175 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: but the truth of the matter is you can't pretend 176 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: that it's going to be totally patched up fixed where 177 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: you'll never have to deal with it again. That's unrealistic. UM. 178 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: And also it sets you up to fail inevitably. So 179 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: that's the good The good news is it's not abnormal. UM. 180 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Bad news is you have to figure out how to cope. 181 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: I alwaysh I could have just captured the look Samantha 182 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: gave you listeners. It's quite good because it's it's all right, 183 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna telling you the truth, and I'm sorry I'm 184 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: telling you the truth. And but at the same time 185 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: I get it like those of us who and I 186 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: think that's about nine if not one of us know 187 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: that feeling when you've discovered or rediscovered something that you 188 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: hadn't even thought of as a connection. It's just like, 189 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: oh god, what is this? Ah? It is, Yeah, it is. 190 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: It is a new trauma because I keep saying that 191 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: word on top of that trauma that you have to 192 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: unfold because you have to unfold in like a puzzle 193 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: piece put together why because you have to make it 194 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: makes sense or it's going or it's going to haunt you. 195 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: And when you do that answer, inevitably it's going to 196 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: be just as painful, but it gets easier when you 197 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: have to deal with that face to face right right, 198 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: It is hard to with something because this is like 199 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: I said, it does remind me of eating for me, 200 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: of like that kind of I should just be able 201 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: to eat, but for me it's like difficult. But it's 202 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: the same. It should just be a bodily thing to do. 203 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: You do have to do. It's but it's turned into 204 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: something that is like a struggle. But I mean that 205 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: being said fingers crossed, I haven't had a kidney issue 206 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: in a really long time. I have a made stride 207 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: I have I think this is just feels a lot 208 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: of them kind of new, but I'm sharing it with you, 209 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: and I I don't think I could have done that 210 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: even like a year ago. And I'm not. I'm honestly, 211 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed by it. It's it's just it's we've 212 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: put so much stigma on it that it feels like 213 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: I should be embarrassed by it. But I'm not. It's 214 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: just we've we've put so much weirdness around this, uh 215 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: and we've already we're already weird about women talking about 216 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: sexual assault anyway. Um, so I think I've I've come. Always, 217 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: thank you and thank you for listening and being so supportive, 218 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: and thank you listeners. Cheers to everybody for joining in 219 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: this unhappy hour. It has been a week, has been 220 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: a week, it has but we're happy to share our 221 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: unhappiness with you. 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