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Speaker 2: All right, busy NBA docket, A lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Jason Timp, host of Hoops tonight. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I saw a piece of video, so I had said

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Speaker 2: on the Luca trade, I would never have traded him,

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Speaker 2: but if he gave me three firsts Ad and Austin Rivers,

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Speaker 2: I'd sleep on it. And I said that because I've

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Speaker 2: always said Luca is a much better Carmelo. I never

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Speaker 2: think he's in great shape. I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: he sometimes takes the ball a lot of teammate's hands,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think and I love Luca,

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Speaker 2: but I saw when Luca first arrived in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: he looked Puffy hadn't played since December. He's never beguen

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Speaker 2: in great shape. But my take was La gets you

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Speaker 2: in better shape. The lifestyle is different and Lebron and

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Speaker 2: the pressure, you know, to kind of impress Lebron. You

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Speaker 2: can see Steph showing off with Jimmy Butler, Lebron's kind

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Speaker 2: of showing.

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Speaker 3: Off with Luca.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just it's it's ego.

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Speaker 3: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: You finally got your match and the players. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Steph is more efficient Lebron's playing with an energy of

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Speaker 2: a twenty seven year old. So, but somebody pointed this

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Speaker 2: out to me yesterday because I watched the entire game.

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Speaker 2: They said, look at the energy of Jason Tatum on

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Speaker 2: both ends of the floor, and Luca has bad stretches

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Speaker 2: like right now, like he has these four or five

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Speaker 2: minutes or longer moments on the floor And you're like, bro,

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Speaker 2: you're just you're a negative right now, like you're you're

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Speaker 2: just getting beat off the ball. And do you think

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Speaker 2: this is something Luca because you're not in your head,

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Speaker 2: you're seeing it too. Does Luca play himself into better

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Speaker 2: shape or did Dallas with their concerns about these consistent

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Speaker 2: calf injuries about not being in shape and lifestyle. Do

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Speaker 2: you think we're getting eighty percent in Los Angeles of

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Speaker 2: Luca that some of the videos on the internet that

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Speaker 2: show him three years ago, it was Tomahawk in it,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, not really quite what I see?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: What is your take on where Luca's at and where

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Speaker 2: he'll end up as a Laker.

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Speaker 4: So that's a tough game for under any circumstances to

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Speaker 4: go on the road in Boston. A Boston team that's

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Speaker 4: had some disappointing losses at home this year yea, and

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Speaker 4: was kind of itching for they were itching for a

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Speaker 4: signature win, Like the Celtics really wanted that one. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you could tell the level of intensity they brought right

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Speaker 4: from the opening tip. It's a tough game under any circumstances.

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Speaker 4: Luca is not yet back into his peak shape. It's

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Speaker 4: gonna take a little while to get there. I actually

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Speaker 4: think it'll be somewhat there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: blessing in disguise with the Lebron injury, because Lebron has

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Speaker 4: been going full bore since like mid January, and it

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Speaker 4: was kind of inevitable that there'd be some sort of

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Speaker 4: nagging thing that would arise over the course of this stretch.

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Speaker 4: And I actually think it'll be pretty nice for Lebron

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Speaker 4: to get like a month off here, a couple of

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Speaker 4: weeks off here, just to take a little break before

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Speaker 4: the post season. That'll get more time for Luca to

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Speaker 4: really lean into usage, to really lean into having the

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Speaker 4: ball in his hands and build his rhythm back. That said,

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Speaker 4: like this goes back to the Dallas Series. The Dallas

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Speaker 4: Series is a different type of challenge the Dallas Boston

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Speaker 4: series in the finals, it was a different type of

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Speaker 4: challenge because Boston had all sorts of dudes that they

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Speaker 4: could help off of. They were putting chrisops Porzingis onto PJ.

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Speaker 4: Washington and Derek Jones Junior and leaving him under the basket.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers will be able to create more space for him,

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Speaker 4: but he wasn't even getting past Jalen Brown for the

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Speaker 4: most part last night, Like just one on one, Jalen

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Speaker 4: Brown had him in clamps and was bringing a ton

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Speaker 4: of physicality, And like, there's this kind of recurring theme

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Speaker 4: I've seen ogn Andobi did a little bit on Thursday night.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you caught the Knicks game, it

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Speaker 4: was kind of a little bit similar in that game.

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Speaker 4: All the way back to the second round series with

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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City last year, lou Dort gave Lucas some issues.

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Speaker 4: Lucas struggles with the really big and strong forwards that

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Speaker 4: can guard, and so there's a little mini challenge here.

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Speaker 4: If the Lakers are going to be able to defeat

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Speaker 4: have to overcome the Jalen Brown problem. But as far

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Speaker 4: as the big picture goes he's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 4: He's playing alongside one of the greatest work ethic dudes

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Speaker 4: to get to a level of better conditioning. That said,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be the dude who

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Speaker 4: had like seventeen dunks in his rookie year. I think

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Speaker 4: those shit that I think that ship might have sailed.

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Speaker 2: You know, I say this often on the show, that

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Speaker 2: there's a real gap in them in what fans view

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Speaker 2: as hate and what I view as contextualization. So every

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Speaker 2: time I talk about Jason Tatum, I always say he's great.

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Speaker 2: He's a great player. He's a top eight player in

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe he's top three. I trust Sja offensively more.

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Speaker 2: I trust Jokic is all around better. I trust Jannis

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Speaker 2: defensively more. I think Luca at his best is a better,

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Speaker 2: more natural offensive player. Hell, if you gave me one

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Speaker 2: quarter to win it all game seven, I take Lebron

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Speaker 2: over Jason Tatum. I actually would. But he's a great player.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be a Hall of He's a nice kid.

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Speaker 2: But I've said this, there are games where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: where is he? Is he on the floor? Now, this

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Speaker 2: was not one of them. He was terrific. And I've

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Speaker 2: watched him now play live three or four times. I

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Speaker 2: get to the arena early, he's the first guy on

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Speaker 2: the floor. But it is interesting people get very upset

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Speaker 2: about this, and I've said this. In the Olympics, when

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Speaker 2: you're playing with the world's best players, he was a

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Speaker 2: coach's decision do not play against Serbia, and he had

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Speaker 2: two in the gold medal game, and that Lebron and

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Speaker 2: Steph flourished in those games. So there are players that

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Speaker 2: sometimes are around great players. Lebron was like this very

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Speaker 2: early in his first Olympics. He was like, finally it

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Speaker 2: opened up more of Lebron. And then there are players

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Speaker 2: that actually love playing within a system. I think Jason

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Speaker 2: is one of those players. I think his god, his

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Speaker 2: DNA is he's a teammate, you know, he likes being

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Speaker 2: part of a collective. He chose Duke so he could

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Speaker 2: play with other great players. Right Like chef's key makes

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Speaker 2: you play defense. He was there with the you know

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Speaker 2: my take is, I think he's a star. I think

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Speaker 2: the NBA's only ever had three true faces of the league, Magic,

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Speaker 2: but Magic was the face of the league. He he

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Speaker 2: And it's like Okay and Shaq and Kobe. I think

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Speaker 2: Karl Malone never was. So what do you make of

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Speaker 2: kind of my criticism of Tatum. It's not a criticism.

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Speaker 2: It's more like, listen, in any one time, the NBA

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Speaker 2: is that unrealist to say?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I heard your rant about Jason Tatum, and

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Speaker 4: frankly like, there is truth to the fact that Tatum

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Speaker 4: lacks like the traditional NBA aura, right, Like, he's a

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Speaker 4: good dunker, but he's not Vince Carter. He's a good shooter,

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Speaker 4: but he's not Kevin Durant. He's big and strong, but

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Speaker 4: he's not Lebron. He's a good playmaker, but he's not

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Speaker 4: Luka Doncic. He's a good defender, but he's not what

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Speaker 4: have a very big personality. So like it's really hard

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Speaker 4: to like put together, you know, something specific about Jason

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Speaker 4: Tatum to like market really well as far as like

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Speaker 4: he's really good at all of those things. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: so he's become like just by virtue of him being

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Speaker 4: most useful players in the entire NBA. This is kind

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Speaker 4: of in the interesting trajectory of Jason Tatum's career. If

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Speaker 4: you go back in early years in like eighteen nineteen twenty,

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Speaker 4: in those years, Tatum was like projected to be one

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Speaker 4: have seventeen in a playoff game, you know, Like it

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Speaker 4: became one of those things where he couldn't rely on

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Speaker 4: I think he got humiliated and spent the entire summer

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Speaker 4: And now it's one of those things where, like I

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Speaker 4: agree with you, I think Jokic is better, I think

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Speaker 4: Giannis is better, I think Shay's better, I think Luka

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Speaker 4: Doncic is better. I think if you asked like league

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Speaker 4: average role players alongside all those players, I think Tatum

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Speaker 4: as opposed to the next set of guys, Like when

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Speaker 4: think Tatum brings more on a night in, night out

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Speaker 4: deserves credit for being like a foundational, like reliable, you

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Speaker 4: also think everything you said regarding he does not have

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Speaker 4: a flash point in his skill set, there's nothing like that.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing.

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Speaker 3: You can close your eyes.

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Speaker 2: I've said this, and I can think of like five

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Speaker 2: Michael plays, six Lebron plays a bunch of magic bird.

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Speaker 2: You close your eyes with Tatum and you're like, it's

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Speaker 2: like Karl Malone. I don't have a Karl Malone play.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a Duncan play. There is something about

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Speaker 2: the persona the aora, the imagery that is face of

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Speaker 2: the league. Okay, So I watch most of the Nuggets

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Speaker 2: Thunder game. I missed the first quarter, but Shaye went

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Speaker 2: off for forty. Of course, this week Jokic had a

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Speaker 2: you know, a thirty twenty twenty plus game, right it's

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Speaker 2: I think it was the first time ever in league

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Speaker 2: I thought he should have won three straight embid was

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Speaker 2: sort of gifted one. But I'll tell you why. I

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Speaker 4: really let's just get to the foundational piece of the case.

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Speaker 4: He's twelve games ahead of Denver in the standings twelve.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you.

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Speaker 3: So I said this.

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Speaker 2: You have to have the self awareness to know how

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Speaker 2: what a what a prima donna?

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Speaker 3: What a?

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Speaker 2: And it's where I usually tend to think really smart

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Speaker 2: people have excellent self awareness. And I wonder sometimes with Aaron,

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Speaker 2: is he the rare smart dude doesn't read the room well?

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Speaker 2: I mean he he goes on this darkness retreat in

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Speaker 5: But here's the thing with Rogers, and there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 1: He talks a lot, but do we believe anything he says,

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Speaker 1: Like what do you mean he said he didn't have

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Speaker 1: dollar house you have cell service? Like?

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Speaker 5: It was just I think that he has a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of narcissism to him, and he's like I love the silence,

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Speaker 5: Crew, Like what do these things are just in conflict

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Speaker 5: with each other? I just you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think that he is a so I don't know

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Speaker 1: that he knows exactly what he wants. And I think

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Speaker 1: he loves attention, and I think that he told Mark

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Speaker 1: Schlareth and Stink has told the story publicly. He did

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Speaker 1: like a week sixteen or seventeen Jets game, and he

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Speaker 1: stinks that that they talk for almost thirty minutes twenty

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Speaker 1: something was about the running game because Stink's insane, and

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Speaker 1: he was like five or ten minutes was about his future.

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Speaker 1: And he's like Aaron told me point Blake, like, I'm

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Speaker 1: only going to keep playing if the situation is perfect.

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Speaker 5: Well now apparently it's down to the Steelers and the

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Speaker 5: Giants imperfect am perfect now at least the Steelers to me,

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Speaker 5: makes perfect sense. That all makes perfect sense. He loves

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Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin loves him. Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's impossible for this guy to have a losing season.

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, Duck Hodges, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter it's impossible for this guy to have a losing season,

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Speaker 1: So obviously you're hyper relevant. The fans care. You'll look

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Speaker 1: good in the iconic jersey. You'll get to play against

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, You'll play against Lamar Jackson. The AFC North

527
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Speaker 1: plays the NFC North this year, so the Steelers host

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Speaker 1: the Packers, they go to Chicago. Aaron will eat that

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Speaker 1: shit up like that. To me, that makes sense. He

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Speaker 1: can have an expectation of playing in a playoff game

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Speaker 1: and maybe winning a playoff game that Tomlin hasn't done

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Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen. They're not going to win a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but that makes sense. If he goes back and he

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Speaker 1: plays for the Giants. It's just pure vanity.

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Speaker 2: It's just pure I want to Okay, So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: argue because this was a discussion to on the show,

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Speaker 2: and I said, because I've moved so many times that

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Speaker 2: I get a yellow padout person cons and I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to move.

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Speaker 2: I get an offensive coach, I get neighbors and a

542
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Speaker 2: really good left tackle, and I'm gonna have more juice

543
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: in the building because the coach and the GM are

544
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: getting fired, or they had lost Nausee Harris in their

545
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Speaker 2: left tackle. They're completely toned aft offense. I'm old and

546
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Speaker 2: don't want to get hit, and they haven't had a

547
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Speaker 2: good line for seven years. I'll have really no power

548
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Speaker 2: in the building, and I'm going to have two guys

549
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Speaker 2: that are both going to demand the ball and neither

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Speaker 2: one runs a complete route tree. I can make an

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Speaker 2: argument selfishly, like every time I've ever thought about moving,

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Speaker 2: My take is, who is my Spengali in the building?

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Speaker 2: Will somebody get me? Brian Dabeles worked with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: He's worked with Josh Allen. Brian Dables been around forever.

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Speaker 2: Man Jeanie calls him one of the best assistance he's

556
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Speaker 2: ever known. Like, you go into a building with a

557
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Speaker 2: guy you can literally be on the same wavelength. I mean,

558
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Speaker 2: Arthur Smith does not appear to be likable and Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin does not appear to care about offense, and you

560
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Speaker 2: got two receivers who want to be ones. I look

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Speaker 2: at Pittsburgh and think this is a powder.

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Speaker 5: Kick to two things. One I could be wrong. I

563
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Speaker 5: obviously don't know the man. I don't think he cares

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Speaker 5: about moving.

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Speaker 7: He'll like, come on, he travels to Tahiti in Thailand,

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Speaker 7: and he lived for fifteen years in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and.

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Speaker 5: You know he'll be fine for eight months in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that that is going

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Speaker 1: to be a determining factor for him. Maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I just I think he'll be fine. He's a

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Speaker 1: very well traveled individual. He'll have as much power in

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Speaker 1: the offensive side as he wants. Who knows, maybe he'll

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Speaker 1: fire Arthur Smith and they'll hire Nathaniel Hackett like he

574
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Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator in and of himself. I think

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Speaker 1: he loves Tomlin. I think that they've flirted with each other.

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: They wink at each other on the sideline. He shouts

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Speaker 1: him out when he does the McAfee interviews. I think

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Speaker 1: he's got a respect for him. Conspiracy theory. McAfee today

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Speaker 1: retweeted a video of Rogers talking about Tomlin from like

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I think it's happening. I think it's happening.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to announce it on that show.

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Speaker 1: McAfee is a Pittsburgh guy, or a Pennsylvania guy, whatever

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Speaker 1: he is. He's doing some show in Pittsburgh coming out soon.

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00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: He's going it big night act. I don't fully understand

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Speaker 1: the McAfee universe, but like I think Rogers, who's apparently

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Speaker 1: making seven figures from the guy, which is amazing, good

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Speaker 1: gig if you can get it. I think he's announcing

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Speaker 1: that he's going to Pittsburgh with McAfee at his show

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, and he's a Steeler.

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Speaker 5: That's what I think's happened, all right, And.

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Speaker 3: You're probably right.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the stuff that matters to me,

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Speaker 2: which is, don't have to worry about moving left tackle,

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Speaker 2: offensive coach, great weapon, and I'm going to have power

595
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Speaker 2: in the building. I'll get a say in the building.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think he wins more football games.

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess okay, And this would be the

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Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to say to you. And this

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Speaker 5: I root for interesting powder keg great, awesome.

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Speaker 1: It is so much more interesting if Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin. That you know what point,

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Speaker 1: Like I've said it, I had our guys work up

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Speaker 1: a photoshop of him in a Steelers uniform the day

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Speaker 1: the season ended.

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Speaker 5: Like, to me, it's made. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: If Minnesota wants him, that's a better situation obviously. So

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Speaker 1: I see him holding I can see him holding out

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Speaker 1: for that. I think they're going to go JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: We'll see. But and the Steelers would be on national

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Speaker 5: TV six times.

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Speaker 1: They would be hyper relevant and hyper interesting, good or bad,

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Speaker 1: good or bad.

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Speaker 5: So I am if.

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Speaker 1: He's going to play and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: him and he's gonna suck all the oxygen out of

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Speaker 1: a ten or eleven win team than a five or

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Speaker 5: So I'm personally am rooting for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting, you and I both. That's you know.

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Speaker 3: I like fresh produce. I'm a chef. Just give me

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Speaker 3: the best ingredients. That's all I care about.

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Speaker 2: Jmack last year, before the season said Chicago's the most

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Speaker 2: interesting team, and they were early until they were just

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously bad, and then by week like ten,

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, they're not interesting. Let's let's think about

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Speaker 2: this the three most teams next year. So I think

631
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Speaker 2: this year the Bears are really interesting because if Caleb

632
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Speaker 2: struggles again, he may not be the guy.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he's probably not so rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I never think the team is too interesting because it's

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Speaker 2: going to be ugly and you can't make any stern judgments,

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Speaker 2: like obviously Jane Daniels is terrific, He's Lamar Jackson, NFC,

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Speaker 2: it's over.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to argue about that.

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Speaker 2: So I think Chicago is my most interesting team.

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Speaker 1: Well, then let's get those weekly hits on the TV

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Speaker 1: show going Buddy, Let's go Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me think about it. Let me think about

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Speaker 3: this for a second.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Washington's pretty high on the list.

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Speaker 2: I I will say this, I think Kansas City pulling

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Speaker 2: back for a year because the offensive line is absolutely

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Speaker 2: in flux. They're left tackle has never been a starting

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Speaker 2: left tackle. It's like boys, That's honestly like having a

649
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: Bentley and finding the cheapest insurance on.

650
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Speaker 3: The market for it.

651
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: It's like, no, just just call progressive or something. Okay,

652
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: let's not go discount insurance. So I think Kansas City.

653
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: I predicted the Niners in Dallas would pull back last

654
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: this year.

655
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: They did.

656
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Kansas City is gonna pull back for

657
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: a year. Their offensive line is in flux. I mean,

658
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: if this kid from San Francisco to left tackle doesn't move. Also,

659
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney may have been the most had more dexterity

660
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: than any offensive lineman in the.

661
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: League last year.

662
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: He's gone. So Chicago Kansas City are fascinating. How about

663
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: this Green Bay? I loved Jordan Love last year gave

664
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: me pop What if Jordan Love struggles this year?

665
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: Like?

666
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: What if it's God's ears? Chicago's better, Detroit's really good.

667
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: As long as Kevin O'Connell's coaching Minnesota, they're viable. I

668
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: I like, I really like Jordan Love. And then there

669
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: were times I watched them last year and I'm like, oh,

670
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if the coaching staff right now.

671
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: Trust Jordan Love. Like I'm not sure they do.

672
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Chicago, Kansas City, Green Bay and

673
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: and and we'll do four. I'm going to say, And

674
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how interesting they'll be. I think New

675
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: England Vrabel Drake may A basically a thirty percent new roster.

676
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: I do think they'll get Travis Hunter. I think that's

677
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: going to be a pretty damn interesting team. Those are

678
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: my four Bears, Chiefs, Packers, Patriots.

679
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so.

680
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Let's revisit this after the draft, because I'm not at

681
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: all convinced that the guy that the Chiefs paid is

682
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: for sure the left tackle. I think it's for sure

683
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: the left tackle now, But I could see them this

684
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: is the last year of Kelsey.

685
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 5: He's made it clear. We don't know how much more

686
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 5: Chris Jones has in him.

687
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Obviously, Mahomes is going to be there and Reed will

688
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: be there and they're going to be good for a

689
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: long time. But I could see the Chiefs trading up

690
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: in the first round for a tackle. I could see

691
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: that happening, or a tight end or a tight end. Yes,

692
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: I just think I could see a big draft day

693
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: move for the Chiefs to try to inject a blue

694
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: chip offensive player. So you know where should door Sanders goes?

695
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: How far he falls? Is Dion Sanders like coach and

696
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: waiting like that. Sanders fall to twenty one and he

697
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: goes to Pittsburgh and he goes to Mike Tomlin and

698
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: he sits behind Aaron Rodgers, then they're really damn interesting.

699
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: Or does he go to the Giants, and it feels

700
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: like a mortal lock that Brian Davile gets fired and

701
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: they hired Dion Sanders. Pretty damn interesting either way. So

702
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to change a little bit

703
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: of this out of the draft. I loved what Urban

704
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Meyer said on your show. By the way side note

705
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: parenthetical on Travis Hunter. If you believe cam Ward is

706
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: a superstar, then cam Ward's the number one pick in

707
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Speaker 1: the draft. If you have any doubt, then clearly Travis

708
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Hunter is the number one pick in the draft in

709
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: my opinion, because it's just a value proposition, Like if

710
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: you think he can be a Pro Bowl corner, well

711
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: that's twenty five million a year. And if he can

712
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: also be a slot receiver, well that's fifteen million a year,

713
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: even if he's a slot receiver for twelve snaps a game.

714
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: So I love it, and so I think wherever Travis Hunter,

715
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: his team immediately becomes interesting. But we's remove the draft

716
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: from it to get back to your point. Obviously, I'm

717
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Speaker 1: with you on the Bears. I think the Chiefs in

718
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: an all in situation is a great pick. The thing

719
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: that I don't agree with on the New England point

720
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: is is that all the guys, the guys that they

721
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: added are new but not terribly interesting. And while I

722
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: love Drake May, I think he looks like Justin Herbert.

723
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: To me, I was disappointed that they didn't figure out

724
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: a way to get him a number one.

725
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 5: He has nobody to throw the ball to.

726
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, even if the line is better and Morgan

727
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Moses upgrades their left tackle situation, no doubt, Rabel, they

728
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: spent all that money on like.

729
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: Colin Davis and Spillane and Milton Williams.

730
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, help your quarterback with a rocket arm, please,

731
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Like I know, God who went back to Tampa. They

732
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: can't help. I know the Bengals franchise tagged t Higgins

733
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: can't help that. You couldn't beat the fifty eighth pick

734
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: for DK Metcalf like Cooper Cuff. Better be a patriot,

735
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: like do something to help out Drake May in terms

736
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: of pass catchers, because he has nothing in that regard.

737
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: So to me, they need some weapon to totally get there.

738
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: And Green Bay is just not new enough, like everyone's

739
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: back Watson Dobbs wis read. They're so young, you know,

740
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: they're so young that there's just not a lot of

741
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: turnover there to make them all that interesting. Though, I'm

742
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: definitely rooting against Jordan Love and the Packers in general,

743
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: just like the Chicago in in me.

744
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 5: Kind to think who you left out, So I think Washington.

745
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: The reason I said Washington while you were thinking about

746
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: it is I think Jaden Daniel said the best rookie

747
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: quarterback season of my lifetime.

748
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 5: Yes, no, I think it.

749
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: Was better than Herbert who set the top Stown record,

750
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: better than Andrew Luck three, Cam.

751
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: Newton, especially if you look at his third down and

752
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: fourth quarter numbers. It's in their Joe Montana his eleventh

753
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: year in the league, they let.

754
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: They led the league in fourth down conversions. Fourth with

755
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, they led the league. It was it

756
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: was remarkable. And then he won playoff. He went to

757
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. But the guys who've had amazing

758
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: rookie seasons recently, justin Herbert, it's been up and down.

759
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: C J.

760
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: Stroud this past year he won another playoff game. I

761
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: don't think it was all his fault. He was staring

762
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: at the sky so much as offensive line as the disaster,

763
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: Diggs got hurt, tanked, all got hurt. Nico Collins got

764
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: hurt at various points, but C. J. Stroud did not

765
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: take another step from his rookie year. Well, we could

766
00:39:53,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: say plateaued. If Jaden Daniels takes another step like the

767
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: year two in the system, year two in the league jump, well,

768
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: then he's gonna win MVP. He's that he will win

769
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: m VP like Mahomes won m VP his second year

770
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: in the league, like Lamar Jackson won m VP his

771
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: third year in the league, second year in a system,

772
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: like he will he will be the MVP of the league.

773
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Speaker 2: Well, also, if he's great, not dinner rup, but if

774
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: he's great again, then we have found our top five quarterbacks. Mahomes, Allen,

775
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Lamar Burrow, Jaden because we all like Jalen Hurts, but

776
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: we're like, well, the line that I think it's.

777
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: Ridiculous, I think it's ridiculous still I Eagles fans.

778
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: Eagles fans kind of bothered me with this, But I

779
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: don't remember a time most of my life there have

780
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: been three great quarterbacks maybe four in the league, and

781
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: then it kind of peters out and to have five

782
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 2: first ballot level Hall of Fame talent. If j comes

783
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: out and even duplicates last year with much better players

784
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: around him. Then we've got five first ballot guy. And

785
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: by the way, now I'm moving because of his mobility.

786
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm moving Stafford to sixth and he I believe he,

787
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: especially if he could get in that Super Bowl circle

788
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: again winn or lose, You're gonna have a hard time

789
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: keeping him.

790
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: All I think Stafford, now that he has a ring,

791
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: is pretty I would be shocked if he's not a

792
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer with where I mean.

793
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Just think about this, He's not far from his prime.

794
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: Okay for him to be the sixth best quarterback in

795
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 2: the league, mostly because he doesn't move and the other

796
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: guys move. The NFL, like I've said this, we're in

797
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: the golden age of quarterbacking folks. Like if he's six,

798
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: if Herbert and Hurt.

799
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: To seventh, forget about her, we are all time high.

800
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: By the way, do you have a line to Harbaugh?

801
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: Can you like, yeah, can you tell him to throw

802
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more?

803
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 5: Please? Dude? Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. But you use

804
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: the Bentley analogy.

805
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: I know that the winning went up, and I know

806
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: the passer rating was very good, and I know he

807
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: loves to run the ball? Can you just from the

808
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: Football Appreciation Society, don't my guy, well, my guy Justin

809
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Herbert not be twenty sixth in the NFL and attempts

810
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: again or whatever he was.

811
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 5: Please?

812
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Well they lost Palmer, so now they have Lad mcconky.

813
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: They need to tie it end in the first round

814
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: and a receiver in the third. Like it's one of

815
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: those things where and I've said this about Jim Harbaugh,

816
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of fascinating. San Francisco had Michael Crabtree. It

817
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: was an online d line physicality. John Harbaugh is the

818
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: same way. What's the one thing the Ravens haven't had

819
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: wide receiver talent. They've always been a little shy the Harbaugh's.

820
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: It's their nature. He could have taken Michael Thomas, who

821
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: he loved, It took Joel It's who they are. Their

822
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: DNA is we want to intimidate you. We want to

823
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: physically like like listen, they let go of Mike Williams

824
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: and Keenan Allen. They kept mosting Khalil Mack. That was

825
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: very clear their day.

826
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: I know, I just as a guy who loves Justin Herbert,

827
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: I want to see the guy throw a little bit more.

828
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: What were we just talking about. I'm sorry, I feel

829
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: like I lost my train of thought on Oh, but

830
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: so Jamey's but Washington, what Houston did off of C. J.

831
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: Stroud's rookie year was correct.

832
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

833
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: We have a quarterback. He turned our franchise around. We

834
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: won a playoff game. We have a ton of cap

835
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: space and a stud quarterback who we know we have

836
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: to pay on a cheap deal. Let's go all in

837
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: and Stefan Diggs was crazy expensive. Daniel Hunter was crazy expensive.

838
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: They paid Mixon like Mixon didn't really work.

839
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Speaker 5: He was fine.

840
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't really his fault. The offensive line was a disaster.

841
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Diggs was working, then got hurt. Daniel Hunter was fantastic.

842
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Washington is in the exact same spot, and we've now

843
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: seen what they've done. Like they debo, we're going to

844
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: give Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin and Jayden Daniels, We're going

845
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: to give them a toy and see how it works.

846
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: We are going to trade a ton of capital for

847
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: one of the best pass blocking left tackles of his

848
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: generation to protect our investment. And then they paid kin

849
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: Law I think too much money. But they didn't want

850
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: to get too much weaker on the defensive line when

851
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: they lost Allen and they brought in kinl So maybe

852
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: they'll do one more trade or for a move or whatever,

853
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: but they're going to maintain Catholics. But we've seen their

854
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: moves Dtackle, left tackle, Deebo Samuel, plus what they had

855
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: in the draft.

856
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 5: They're better and Philly got worse.

857
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Now, Philly got worse by design and we know it,

858
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: and they should because they didn't want to pay Williams

859
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars so they could pay Jalen Carter

860
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars next year. Philly's top

861
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: ten players are still all excellent. They deserve to be

862
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: the favorite. But I think that what Jaden Daniels did

863
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: and like year two, does it plateau, does it go down?

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Speaker 5: Does it go up?

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Speaker 1: Because he's got way more talent and he should be

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Speaker 1: only more comfortable in the NFL. So of the to me,

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Speaker 1: they are very high on my list of interesting Danny Parkins.

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Speaker 1: This was fun as always. The volume