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Speaker 3: and comment. You know today we got one of my

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Speaker 3: own boys. And here I tell you, man, when I

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Speaker 3: first met Daryl Man, I had a little spot over

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Speaker 3: in Laker with a little studio, and he let me

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Speaker 3: hold his MPC for like a whole year. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you talked about that, your MPC three thousand. I had

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Speaker 3: that man's machine for a whole year, and I learned

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Speaker 3: how to master that the whole year I had the

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Speaker 3: two thousand, right, But the two thousand and three thousand,

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Speaker 3: for anybody that produced, its way different. They're the same,

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Speaker 3: but they're different, right, And to me, the three thousand

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Speaker 3: kick a little harder, you know. Yeah, show two thousands

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Speaker 3: like a toy kind you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 3: he got man like one of them stories. Man, it's

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Speaker 3: like the ultimate success story. He was a dude that

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Speaker 3: came to Death Row as an R and B singer

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Speaker 3: and wound up producing one of the best seven hip

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Speaker 3: hop albums of all time. Michael Kelly Okay, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: So indeed, when you first looked up with sure you

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Speaker 3: was an R and B singer, he was just doing

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Speaker 2: I was just doing R and B, a little gospel,

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Speaker 2: you know, but my background gospel, but R and B.

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Speaker 2: When I came to Schild, I sung him some R

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Speaker 2: and B songs. I was right, and he got me immediately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you fell in love with him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know, when in Rome, you do what the

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Speaker 2: Romans do. When I got the Death Row, the only

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Speaker 2: text being cut was hip hop. So I learned to

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Speaker 2: go grab equipment around the around the building and learn

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Speaker 2: how to that's with the MP or whatever else they

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Speaker 2: had whatever the other kind of modules, and just so happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fortunate for me.

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Speaker 2: Then one day, messing around with what I was doing,

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Speaker 2: Pop walked in and told me.

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Speaker 3: To be that I was making was his. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: let me ask you this. So you hadn't produced none prior.

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Speaker 1: To that, never.

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Speaker 2: That that room that they called the wack room or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was learning, learning my craft. I was

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Speaker 2: learning do what I saw, dazzing them or quicken them

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Speaker 2: around the building doing. I was learning how to operate it,

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Speaker 2: getting with the engineers, learning how to median and media

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Speaker 2: out and all that. But I've always been able to

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Speaker 2: write in my head. I could always hear melodies. I

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Speaker 2: just learned how to put my fingers to making that

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Speaker 2: come out of the machines or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know. I could always write.

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Speaker 3: But as you know, it's gonna be some cats to

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Speaker 3: make beats, and producers been doing shit all the life,

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Speaker 3: they whole entire lifetime, man, And you just come in

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Speaker 3: and just learn how to make a beat and then

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Speaker 3: going songs with Tupac. That's crazy anyday I'm in.

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Speaker 1: But you know that time.

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Speaker 4: Ship, sometimes you gotta switch up the program if you

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Speaker 4: still want to get you feel me, Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 4: a lot of shit. Sometimes we gotta switch our positions

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Speaker 4: up if we want to remain at the table. And

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Speaker 4: you know, we see that transitioning and all this ship

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Speaker 4: in regular life. You know, we might think you're going

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Speaker 4: we don't need that right now. What we need is this.

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Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying, you gotta switch up

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Speaker 4: program and ship. Yeah, you know you do that on

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Speaker 4: other jobs too. Well look bo, well look here, man,

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Speaker 4: put the job. I'm a fast learner.

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Speaker 1: Just get me. Just give me a chance. You know

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make it happen.

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Speaker 4: If you couldn't judge, consider me, you know, especially if

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Speaker 4: that's the only way you're getting cut.

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Speaker 1: Chicks cut and tell me I'm up here.

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Speaker 4: I'm up here as a motherfucking intern right now, because

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Speaker 4: like you said, they not have be on R and

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Speaker 4: not fucking with the R and B. Not just saying

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Speaker 1: That lane and ship. Sometimes fuck it.

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Speaker 4: If I got to go study, learn how to work

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Speaker 2: That's that's strange to say that too, A because that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what it was. I sung the ship, the R

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Speaker 1: But once he considered, hey, okay, I'm gonna sign you man.

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Speaker 2: Still all the work was going to the rappers and

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Speaker 2: building now, I said, well, I'm I'm I got to

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Speaker 2: access to depth road. I'm around all the stars every day.

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Speaker 2: But this ain't what they was on. He was telling

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Speaker 2: me talking about some future ship. When he talked to me,

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Speaker 2: he was saying, Okay, I got Danny Boy, I got

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Speaker 2: group six D D so he was looking to go

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Speaker 2: that way. It just wasn't happening right then. The check

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Speaker 2: if I want some. Now, I'm a single parent at

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Speaker 2: that time, you know, I'm raising my son and I

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Speaker 2: needed to check then.

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Speaker 1: So I started.

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Speaker 2: Grabbing equipment around the studio and learning how to put

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Speaker 2: because I could always develop some in our new chords

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Speaker 2: on the piano, I put a melody or whatever. It

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Speaker 2: just so happened, mana my beat. When I was making them,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking of hip hop or a beat for Pop.

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Speaker 1: I was putting stuff together that I could also sing too.

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Speaker 2: It's just gona happen that when Pop heard it, he

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Speaker 2: heard hisself in that he heard where he could still

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Speaker 2: make that work for him, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me ask you this man.

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Speaker 3: You know, the music stuff is all cool, man, but

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Speaker 3: Death Row had a whole lot of stuff going on. Man,

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Speaker 3: let me ask you this man, was it really ass

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Speaker 3: whoopers and beat down being passed out like they say

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Speaker 3: it was on?

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Speaker 1: Wait they man, look at it. They wasn't playing. They

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Speaker 1: wasn't playing.

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Speaker 2: You never knew what you might encounter any day you

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Speaker 2: got behind.

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Speaker 1: That door, you know, anytime you walk past security.

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Speaker 2: Once you got in there, where where everybody was either

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Speaker 2: on studio, a studio, beat, the kitchens, the lobby, all

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Speaker 2: that it could go down any day an engineer, artists

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Speaker 2: or whatever. It could happen and engineers. Man, what oh,

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Speaker 2: there's so many stories on that engineers getting slapped getting

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Speaker 2: bit by dogs because dogs be running around there, you know,

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Speaker 2: into the bathroom, you know. So it was going down, man,

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Speaker 2: it was going down, you know on the parking like

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Speaker 2: you might. You might somebody might have an issue with you,

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Speaker 2: catch you when you get out your car.

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Speaker 1: They handle that, you know, like, hey, let's deal with that.

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Speaker 2: So you know, death Row is not just the story

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Speaker 2: that people trying to do the glamoraights.

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Speaker 1: It really was. I heard it.

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Speaker 2: What's the name of DC, He's said, Man, he'd rather

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Speaker 2: go to fifteen hundred, can go to death Row. Really

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Speaker 2: it was like that. It was really popping like that.

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Speaker 2: It was you know, you might get started of death Row.

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Speaker 4: But you know it was it was definitely fades getting

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Speaker 4: going around when often often Man, it was really like that.

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Speaker 1: For the fiction and everyone.

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Speaker 4: I know, a fellow or to that car effect that

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Speaker 1: You know, so your boy young, your boy yogis ceo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was people getting the hand

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Speaker 1: little rough in there. It was.

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Speaker 4: It was a place. Definitely I heard that it wasn't

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Speaker 4: to be fucked with. You give me man, my first

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Speaker 4: death Row meeting. Man, I walked into death I'm when

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Speaker 4: she walked in the meeting. He popping this dude up

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Speaker 2: Instead, he pushed him to keep walking into you know,

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Speaker 2: shar Jones, she was a producer that for Death Row,

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at her. I'm looking at her like

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Speaker 2: I know you sink because it's really hitting his nigga, Like, dude,

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Speaker 2: are we really looking at this? And about five seconds

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Speaker 2: later he telling his homies jump on the next you know,

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Speaker 2: like beat him up nothing in the face.

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Speaker 1: And it's a real meeting.

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Speaker 2: Where everybody is we all in the dawn meeting, you know,

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Speaker 2: other business stuff about the comments.

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Speaker 1: But the beginning of it started with dude getting getting served.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't playing and he had a slogan over there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave that slugan to me, man, because I've

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Speaker 2: heard it told about other people on YouTube and stuff

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Speaker 1: And he just what he told the producer.

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Speaker 2: But no, actually he told Dryl Harper that what happened

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Speaker 2: was Tyrone was the other guy that was in the

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Speaker 2: So he and I shared that room twelve hours of

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Speaker 2: piece every day, and one of his songs got picked up.

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Speaker 2: Well pop walked in in like one of your old start.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what happened. But Sul certainly liked his

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Speaker 2: song all right, and.

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Speaker 1: I turned in the song.

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Speaker 2: But I turned the song to sixty deep. But I

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Speaker 2: told them it was two members of they group that

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Speaker 1: Said they should lead it.

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Speaker 2: The other two dudes just they was a good unit, yo,

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Speaker 2: with your background. What they wanted every one of them

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Speaker 2: to sing some portion songs. It came out sounding old

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Speaker 2: like bloodstone or song. So sure didn't even too much

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Speaker 2: favor of that. So in the meeting he addressed that,

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Speaker 2: and uh, he said, Tyrone, we like your song.

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Speaker 1: But d Hart, I let them tell you what's wrong.

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Speaker 1: They said they ain't kill you.

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Speaker 2: He said, man, you got three weeks to ride it

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Speaker 2: here or you gonna get hit, you know, And uh,

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Speaker 2: I guess the results was it was. It was a

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Speaker 2: victory story in the end because I wrote that hit. Well,

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Speaker 2: I wrote a.

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Speaker 1: Song that was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like by everybody at death roll

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Speaker 2: when when I actually end up finished right there, Shug

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Speaker 2: Pop and Hammer was on the ground, they pulling each

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Speaker 2: other's clothes, fell on the ground restling talking about this.

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Speaker 2: Nigga wrote ahead this nigga went and row ahead, and

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Speaker 3: So it was grown ass men out there just getting

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Speaker 1: When I hear people say much stud what you told

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Speaker 2: Still that if I was there, I would, man, well,

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Speaker 1: Came up there to check Shug.

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Speaker 2: I just personally me personally, I just ain't never seen

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what things the toughest nigga in

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Speaker 4: If we went up there to present some beats and

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Speaker 3: You know what, anybody gets their airs, not a situation

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Speaker 2: That's what would have happened, man, because the only people

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm pretty sure they was doing at downs though

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Speaker 1: So no, man, niggas still got the gun in it.

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Speaker 1: I ain't never saw Nick Dog in there without a gun. Never. Never. Never.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely Nate was who Definitely, Yeah, they wasn't no joke.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so, but I've seen a couple of

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Speaker 2: at him, rest in piece hair Ron. I've seen Rock

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Speaker 2: I saw you all get at him.

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Speaker 1: One day.

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Speaker 2: I saw you well say one day, nigga, I know

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Speaker 1: And he grabbed around the negga. He didn't want me

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Speaker 2: Like that in my sight, you know, like so he

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Speaker 1: Know you woa woo whoo.

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Speaker 2: You don't He grabbed her around the neck and grinning

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Speaker 1: That was a girl, but she was you know, she

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely not saying, man, I don't believe him playing

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Speaker 3: But it's just a certain amount, you know, a man

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Speaker 3: you know, you're glad to get on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's typically well we want to go

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Speaker 2: down that bath, you know, because uh that wasn't the

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Speaker 2: worst to spense that. And you know I already told

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Speaker 2: you one of the storys where Pop came back from

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Speaker 2: where they were where Pop didn't come back.

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Speaker 1: Put it that way.

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Speaker 2: They went to bays and Pop lost his life and

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Speaker 2: he and She'll call the meet.

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Speaker 1: His mandatory whenever.

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Speaker 2: Whenever he had a meeting in his office, most of

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Speaker 1: It's mandatory.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody supposed to be nowhere else in there around

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Speaker 2: the studio, in the bathroom and nowhere, you know, so

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Speaker 2: everybody gotta go. We got there, man, and uh everybody

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Speaker 2: Then quick quick as there, uh dog found snooping them there.

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody in the young group we had called Bagatti.

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Speaker 2: It was a female group they were coming with, and

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Speaker 2: everybody singing dedication. But everything is like cover songs, songs

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Speaker 1: Because but they got.

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Speaker 2: Back from Vegas, I had already been working on a song.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't know what the song was gonna be about,

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Speaker 2: but I had the melody on the piano what I

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Speaker 1: When I heard he lost his life.

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Speaker 2: I went to grab that that that DA poured it up,

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Speaker 2: and I guess I was just really over and spoting.

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Speaker 2: The words came like, you know, like facts you know,

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Speaker 2: And I wrote the song called back round in. Uh

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Speaker 2: had to call the musicians in say it was almost

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Speaker 2: completed by the time they got back from Vegas. But

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Speaker 1: He think he was on the.

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Speaker 2: Background, so he moved over to me in that meeting

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Speaker 2: when they singing dedications for pop because everybody down there

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Speaker 2: crying and.

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Speaker 1: Uh, he moved on.

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Speaker 2: He said, man, you the only niggas got a soul,

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Speaker 2: So for pop, you are this Joe time.

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Speaker 1: You are to sing this for everybody in the room.

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Speaker 1: And they sounded good to me. So I snuck out.

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Speaker 2: Of the out of the uh, out of the out

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Speaker 2: of the Shilk's office, out of the red room that they

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Speaker 2: called the red room and I snuck out and I

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Speaker 1: To the voat the place we called the vote where

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Speaker 1: we kept tapes.

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Speaker 2: Because she's prevented anybody from leaving at this point, leaving

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Speaker 2: out of the studio with tape or that or whatever

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Speaker 2: stuff was getting out, you know, so he had to

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Speaker 2: leave everything in a vault.

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Speaker 1: The security had to let you in to get it.

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Speaker 1: So I went down there and got my dad and

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Speaker 1: I went to the studio.

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Speaker 1: My biggest mistake was I didn't look at the council.

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Speaker 2: The last person in there had it blasting, so it

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Speaker 1: So I went to queue the tapeer.

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Speaker 2: I pressed play for a second, and the blasted, and

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Speaker 2: they heard him hurt from his office. And the minute

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Speaker 2: I pushed up, you heard she'd say, what iut fucking

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Speaker 2: that told me to go get my song, that's de

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Speaker 1: I heard him say, tell that motherfucker to come here.

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Speaker 2: Riding now, man I got to the doorway of that office,

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Speaker 2: a thigga snatched me around the neck, man, and I'm

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Speaker 2: and this is some grown ass ship man, because I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking I'm looking at all if GB all these other

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Speaker 2: niggas behind me, looking like all he had to do

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Speaker 2: is no his head.

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Speaker 1: The help should like grat whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I'm good with All of them were really good,

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Speaker 2: but they are all kind of hurt. Everybody kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, he just lost their biggest artists. And they

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Speaker 2: looked like they would have been it on me, like

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Speaker 2: sug will you know. So I looked at it and

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Speaker 2: I turned my neck around the shoe. He's taller than me.

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Speaker 2: I turned my neck up and I said, hey, look man,

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Speaker 2: I just wrote a song that I finished before y'all

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Speaker 1: I thought this would be the best time to present it.

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Speaker 1: He said, good, because you up next.

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Speaker 2: That's how that went, and then I thought the song

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Speaker 1: The in the in the in the room, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hamry is cool.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was with their arms around each other when I

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Speaker 2: finished singing the song. Every As I was singing the song,

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Speaker 2: they was like in a circle. There's two about two

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Speaker 2: three different circles in that room, like where they was

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Speaker 2: like unifyingly, let me sing my song.

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Speaker 1: But after that, every time I saw the Outlass sing

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Speaker 1: that song for a d R, seen that song you

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Speaker 1: wrote for punk.

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Speaker 2: But that was enough another situation where it turned out

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Speaker 2: good because when I finished singing, the only thing Shoe

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing he said. But I know I

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Speaker 1: wasn't about to get jumped on there. You know, you

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of friction in the building around Tupaca.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, man, Yeah, And initially it was electric, It

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Speaker 2: was fun, It was you know, it was musical. It

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Speaker 2: was what I went there for the music part. But

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Speaker 2: quickly I'm talking about soon it became if it came

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Speaker 2: like filled with tension and and and you knew the

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Speaker 1: The two crews.

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Speaker 2: Weren't uh dealing with each other, you know, uh the

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Speaker 2: dog Pound, the Outlaws, it was h.

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Speaker 1: They were.

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Speaker 2: They wasn't and they wasn't going in each other studios

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Speaker 1: All that it stopped, you know. So yeah, initially it

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Speaker 1: was great man. It was. It was. It was a

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Speaker 2: Because Pac really bought a spirit there that they started adopting.

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Speaker 2: Because Park had a man. His brother was a He's

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Speaker 2: a work of halic. That's the only way I can

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Speaker 2: put it.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Some people I see other people think because they were

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Speaker 2: with hip hop, I see so a lot of people

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Speaker 2: think they just like the artists they see because they

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Speaker 2: go get the same braids in the blood, or they

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Speaker 2: learn how to sag their pants.

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Speaker 1: But Pak was the kind of man. He really put

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the image or the tattoo or the

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Speaker 2: whatever image.

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Speaker 1: This man put in work. And he was a workaholic man.

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Speaker 3: He came.

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Speaker 2: Look, the first night he was out, he did seven songs,

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Speaker 2: seven songs. The first night he worked at Death Row,

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Speaker 2: he did seven songs. I think he did about three

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Speaker 2: of them with with Dalvin in them.

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Speaker 1: They was there, Josh so. But I'm saying he did

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Speaker 1: seven songs straight. Bro.

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Speaker 2: That that's that. That's when you most of the work

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Speaker 2: habit there. Most the people be sitting around their homies

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Speaker 2: in there. They might do two days on the same

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Speaker 2: song pick pull it back up Woo and they play

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Speaker 2: and somebody else do a burn or whatever like that.

444
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: Matt pop, Man, Okay, we got the hook here. Now

445
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: we don't know what we're doing here. Put throw that up,

446
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: put that up, Just start another one, just do another one.

447
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: Just well, he was like a workerholic, bro, he was

448
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: a workerholic. So and now I ain't never really saw

449
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: nobody work like it. Just to keep put it.

450
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: That way, he just.

451
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: You know, me and him when we'll leave, Like, let's

452
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: say we did two songs that night, and call me

453
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: in the morning. You got another song, got another be

454
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: say yeah, man, I got a bet. He'll say, yeah,

455
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: we'll being a student in an hour. He'll hang up,

456
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: call me right back and say, matter of fact, have

457
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: two b in case I don't like the first one.

458
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 2: You go myth motherfuckers. That was his thing, calling everybody goat.

459
00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: Mouth, you know. So yeah, but uh yeah, yeah. It

460
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: was electric when it first started.

461
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: But after a while, bro, it got it got ugly,

462
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: even with the stars, you know.

463
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: So tell me this man, you know me and you

464
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: talk about all the time. Man, I think the fans

465
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: of the show. Note, I talk about my homeboy, Tyris

466
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: a lot, Tyris Hines. You know, knowing to the rest

467
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: of the world as Big Psych Me and him was

468
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: really good friends, man. And you know, and I don't

469
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: call everybody your friend, man, but Big Psych was a

470
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: real friend like that was my guy. And Big Psych

471
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: had a real good spirit around him.

472
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: When Obocca, yes, they started coming to your sessions.

473
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: You think psych has something to do with getting them

474
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: to come by, because you say, a big Psych of

475
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 3: the fendic.

476
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 1: Yall one time. Now here's what happened, bro. Maybe you uh,

477
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Maybe I didn't pay clear to you.

478
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 2: I said, I don't have any I don't have any

479
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: problem believe in it. In the end, I don't have

480
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: any facts, but I do believe there's a very good

481
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: chance that Psych was the reason why what really initiated

482
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: pot opening that door one day and asking me about

483
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: that beat. And I don't even know if he wasn't

484
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: the reason why should came in there and turned the

485
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: room from.

486
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: What it was. See it it was real a room.

487
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: It was like a utility room at first. Bruh.

488
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: They kept big real the real machines in there, real

489
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: the reels back when they was using real the reels,

490
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: So it wasn't no real play, no real work environment

491
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: for somebody writing music.

492
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: It's just that I would go in there. They had

493
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: a double cassette, and back.

494
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: Then I was just writing for Kevin Lewis Recipees, the

495
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Ramsey Lewis Son. He was managing the studio. So here's

496
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: what happened. I would go in the entire roe and

497
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: we're going there. We put a piece of quitment. We

498
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: started making that our work spot. But it was really

499
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: like a utility room. So what happened was Should end

500
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: up coming in there one day hearing that they was

501
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: calling us whack or teasing us and stuff like that.

502
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: And he came in there one day said I'm tired

503
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: of this. Hey, them hearing around the building. We're gonna

504
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: turn this into the green room. It ain't the wack room.

505
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: We're gonna bet we get a hit out of his room.

506
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: And what happened was, while they was teasing us one day,

507
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: one of them push the door.

508
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: They said, that's some whack ass beats and woo whatever.

509
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: Right after that, Sike passed by, opening the door and said, man,

510
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: y'all go man, this sound to sound good.

511
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: Man, don't don't don't let that discourage y'all basically keep

512
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: your head up like that, you know.

513
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: So I said, I wouldn't doubt if he was the

514
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: one who went to Park and told him, hey, say

515
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: down their teeth. You know, he's really basically talking about

516
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: dog pound people, or they go they crew somebody from

517
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: they crew, or.

518
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: They hung out with their crew hollering give niggas in

519
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: their whack.

520
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: And I think I know Syke opened the door one

521
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: day and right after it happened, they said, man, y'all,

522
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: y'all continue on, man, don't let that discourage y'all. Right

523
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: after that, snoop, I mean, did the thing about turning

524
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: the room. And then Park walked in and said, hey, man,

525
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: what you playing right there?

526
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, I won't that. That's my beat right now.

527
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: So I'm saying things happen occurred for us good after

528
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 2: Pyke did that. So I don't have any problem believing

529
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: that he's what initiated going to Park saying they down

530
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: there peas and home boarding them in their room, you know,

531
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: the niggasin' there.

532
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: You know.

533
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: So I don't have any facts, but I wouldn't have

534
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: any problem believing that, Yeah, it.

535
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: Ain't hang here was very good clear me and psych

536
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: was very good friends.

537
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't doubt that for a second. Man.

538
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: That's how I met psych on some stuff, man, like

539
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: him trying to help me out on some stuff man,

540
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: and just a good brother. Man.

541
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: I miss him.

542
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 3: Man. There's so many whole ass, whole ass bus threads

543
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: dudes walked around now. Man, it got their life man,

544
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: and it seemed like God always picked the good ones

545
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: leave early.

546
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I know what you're saying, Man, yup.

547
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's unfortunate. Man, we can't. It's unfortunate, you know

548
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like you said, you have a real

549
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: good nigga taken from you, and then you'd be like

550
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 4: it's a gang of sights. Motherfucker's still around here, Like

551
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 4: all these niggas are still walking around and scheming and

552
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: samming and bulls.

553
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: And then a nigga that was true blue and you know.

554
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: Was was really for really for the movement and was

555
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: a real close friend and never you know, bullshitted no

556
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 4: body up with motherfuckers. Then be the niggas that checked out, Yeah.

557
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: One of me and was the good guy young and

558
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: just strang good die Young.

559
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah m hm, that's crazy, man. So so let me

560
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: ask you this man. I want to go back to

561
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: how you felt you was you in the studio, what

562
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: beat was you working on? Who was the first bead

563
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: he herds you met messing with?

564
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: The first beat he married was the first.

565
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: The last one they put out on on on better

566
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: days was was Military Mind.

567
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: First beat was Military Mind.

568
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: But what he was doing back then, he was doing

569
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: a project called One Nation. So he had these other

570
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: brothers there. I forgot that I know. One of them

571
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: name was buck Shot or something. People beat people from

572
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: updoing for whatever. Shot shortly huh butt shot shortly. Yeah,

573
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: So all of them was they They was there trying

574
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: to do some album about people uniting and all that,

575
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: and uh, that's what we you know, he heard that

576
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: beat and what's that said? That's mine, mayn't go put

577
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: it in the room. So that that was the first

578
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: one we messed, we messed with and.

579
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I tell you though, still that was a

580
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: that was a weird.

581
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: Session though, because uh, I just learned how to start programming,

582
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: and what I did was I made the beat the

583
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: beats like a ride and kind of beat.

584
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: And they they riding on it.

585
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: And then halfway when you get halfway through the song,

586
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: and start going to this ding like a like a

587
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: meth like a love song, you know, because I didn't.

588
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: I didn't put the wrong sequence in the middle of

589
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: the song.

590
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: And every time they get that point, then they get

591
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: to play in that slow song again. And they was like, hell,

592
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: so uh this this this famous uh uh engineering everybody

593
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: knowing Tommy d he found it.

594
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: He found it in my sequence. You see that.

595
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh you asked me to put this here, Dyl, so

596
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: oh well he put it. He took that sequence out

597
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: and the song went well. But I remember while they

598
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: when they kept happening, Sight stood up the stair.

599
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh, they gotta get you to get in here with

600
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: my boy. Then this is what you do. But he

601
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: said it.

602
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: In a laughing way, you know, he had them all chuckling.

603
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: You know, ain't laughing, you know, and uh that but

604
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm sweating bullets. Man, you in here with pop and

605
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: this got wrong. This boy then picked you up to

606
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: do a beef and you didn't mix, you know, like yeah,

607
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: but that you know, I thought that was a bond story.

608
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: And tell man, you know, and you're something happened to

609
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: with your beat?

610
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

611
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that before Hey, I'm at to grab a

612
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: cord and give me a minute.

613
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: I can grab a cord so I can put it

614
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: in my father, I could just start the thing and

615
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: go read it's.

616
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: All good, count get in all right? Yeah? Yeah.

617
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: I think all of us, man and duds and beat

618
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: makers don't always have the moments because when you finally

619
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: get in front of some people, like right, it's one

620
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: thing when you're playing beats for your homies in the

621
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: hood and stuff like that, and your you know your

622
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: vocal clue right, But when you finally get a chance,

623
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: especially back then, because it's not like it is now,

624
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 3: you could MP three somebody some stuff pretty soon much

625
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: when you submix your beats now for people they perfected.

626
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: But when you got a studio section, man, and everything

627
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: has to go right. You remember back then you was

628
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: you have a beat program. There was a little different

629
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: process recording that you usually going to two inch you

630
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you going to two inches

631
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: and stuff, man, and you're like, man, what.

632
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Is going on?

633
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: I can't find what's going on with my beat? Because

634
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: I had that happen before. I remember, man, I had

635
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: a SB twelve hundred, right, I remember I went up

636
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: there with Bobcat and that's when I was real green.

637
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: I just took my disc with me. I didn't think

638
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: about taking none of my modules with me, right, I

639
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: just brought this disc when I went and took to Bob,

640
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: and only four of my sounds was playing. He was

641
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: looking at me like, man, your beat is incomplete.

642
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, you recorded with somebody that night.

643
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: Man, And it was a beat man And he was like, man,

644
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: did you really make that beach man? What the rest

645
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: of the sign was at? It was just crazy, man,

646
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: And I remember being so nervous. You just skipped me

647
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: a hard time.

648
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: I phoned out later on.

649
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: Was right, And there's stuff like that that happened sometimes. Man,

650
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: it's crazy. You didn't ain't you never did numbing to

651
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: a partitions.

652
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: We did something, but it was on chack.

653
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: We did a song called Games on South Central Cartels

654
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: on South Central Cartels out it.

655
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Was me I believe our Central Quartel.

656
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: Uh and I believe it's one Spice poc me Ice

657
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: team on South Central Cartel.

658
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was killed another.

659
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had he had a full gangst Lionela. What

660
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: was the name of that song? You remember the name

661
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: of it?

662
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: What's called Gangs Team?

663
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm had to go pull it up. I might

664
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: have heard that before. I might have been Uh.

665
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: It was quite how one tale. Yeah, look at Darryl Man.

666
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: Man, you wanna here, man messing up the record and

667
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: fushing Man mant me.

668
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Like sugar up in here, Darryl. I don't do that, man,

669
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: I'm just messing with you. Do I hit all the students.

670
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: I have to take Man, we don't we don't even

671
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: known that around here, brother, But treat everybody.

672
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: We never it ain't never that serious.

673
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: Where did uh? Well, how did you come to college?

674
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: How did you come across in the death Road days? Bro?

675
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Good question. I had a homeboy here in Long Beach.

676
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: Tell I was writing R and B in a gang

677
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: of little studios, you know, because I ain't really from

678
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Long Beach, but had moved a long beat and it

679
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: didn't take me long.

680
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: To start finding out where the little studios was.

681
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: But every time I went to when I was writing

682
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: R and D and stuff like that, and he would

683
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: show up.

684
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: He kind of knew everybody in Long Beach, you know.

685
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: He knew all the places to go where some music that,

686
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, it was pretty good music was played there.

687
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: So I would go there and wouldn't take.

688
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Long for me to hear something on somebody's beat for

689
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: like a hook or something or a melody, and they

690
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: started messing with me.

691
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: But Chuck would always show up.

692
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: And when you showed up, he would always tell me, oh,

693
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: I know who wrote that, Sook. You wrote that, dude,

694
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't know who wrote the verses, but you wrote that.

695
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I said, yeap.

696
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: So he kept telling me he knew sure, But at

697
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: that time a lot of people were telling.

698
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: Me they knew Suck. He actually did.

699
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: So we actually we actually we pieced up on some money.

700
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I was driving my girl Ford Temple and one day

701
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: we pieced up on the gas went out there Tarzanna

702
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: to uh can Em and the first person once we

703
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: got past the cure, the first person I saw at

704
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: the council at the studio was Snoop standing over there

705
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: over the council. I couldn't believe that walked in his

706
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: room and got damn. The most famous rapper in the

707
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: world at that time was Snoop. He's standing right there.

708
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, this nigga really did no Snoop. And it

709
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: wasn't from there I started writing for Kevin Lewis, which

710
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: was Ramsey Lewis's son recipes.

711
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: And then eventually I.

712
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: Went outside and saw still pulling up and and said, man,

713
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: I took my line back then this was my line.

714
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: I told him, Man, just like baby if, I said,

715
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: don't different between me and baby face.

716
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Thame. I write melodies like that. I write hooks like that.

717
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: He looked.

718
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: He stood back and looked at me up and down.

719
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: He said, I'm gonna be back in about an hour. Man,

720
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: I have something for me to listen to. I thought

721
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: he was busting, but I waited for the hour he

722
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: got back. In the hour, he sent some guys looking

723
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: for me. I'm because you almost lived off what you

724
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: call Mike. Awave popcorn and showed it because that was

725
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: always available and.

726
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: It was free, you know.

727
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there, I'm making pop in the popcorn

728
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: and two three niggas ran to the door. And you're

729
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: the one who could sing. You gonna sing for sugar

730
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: that they he said, Well he want to hear you now.

731
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: I say, wait, tuck this poping fuck that popcorn? Want

732
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: to now, man? And that's the first time I really

733
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: realized is importance like and people willingness to please him?

734
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. He's grown niggas in the doorway

735
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: talking about fuck that popcorn.

736
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: I said, okay, like that, and I took I went

737
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: in that room, the room that ended up in the

738
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: wack room and the tape room, and uh, I sung

739
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: him some songs I had already been writing. Man, he

740
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: stopped the first one at the he said, you got

741
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: a job, so he I sung it to the hook.

742
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: He said, man, I got Danny boy, mister Lee, I

743
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: got a group coming in bru.

744
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: This kind of shit, he said, this kind of stick.

745
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: Take us to the wards.

746
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: Man, he said, be here tomorrow with your ID and

747
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: your what's the day night there?

748
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: I have my turn you here to talk to you.

749
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: And that's just what happened.

750
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: We walked out of that room. Still, I'll give you

751
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: another little thing. We walked out of that room. He

752
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: turned around to me and snatched me by both of

753
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: my pockets. Now he's taller than me, bigger than me.

754
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: And I wasn't no small nigga.

755
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: That was real big.

756
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: If you see stuff on YouTube, I was a big nigga.

757
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: And he stasked me buy my pocket and told me

758
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: how you living. I didn't know what he was talking about.

759
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: He shut in my pockets again, said how you living?

760
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: And I understood. I said, Man, I got four dollars,

761
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: he said, Man, be at the office tomorrow and I

762
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: got some fuck and then be here at seven o'clock

763
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: to meet my atturney. That's just how I went down.

764
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: I got to the office the next day, twelve o'clock.

765
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: It's a thousand dollars check. And I was a nigga.

766
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: Man went around. If I had one hundred and fifty dollars,

767
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: that was big, you know. So at that time, that

768
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: thousand dollars spoke a whole lot. I was living with

769
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: a ticket, I'm driving her car. I was able to

770
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: buy groceries.

771
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: Yo, so yo. Anyway, Yeah, that's how I was gonna say. Yeah.

772
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: Back at them times, man, it was really starving artists. Man,

773
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: you get me, because you know, Ship Niggas was. She

774
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: was trying to do no hustle, a little being or

775
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: whatever it was.

776
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was a little different.

777
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: It wasn't as easy to get on as it is now,

778
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

779
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: And then and then there was a it was a trip.

780
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: Like you said, Wow, niggas just wanted to please Ship

781
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: you know. And then was that out of fear getting

782
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: they asked for themselves or was that the fact a

783
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: nigga don't cut that check you get me?

784
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: You know?

785
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 4: So is that why he garnered, oh, you know, so

786
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: much respect from from people or was it.

787
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: In Hey, I gotta say, you know, you gave the

788
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: two major reasons. One for one thing, he kept something

789
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: in their pocket.

790
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: You know.

791
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Uh, he was in a position choosing fuse from him

792
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: was still major in the hood. Wherever he could get

793
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: him was like mate, you know, a chain, a new

794
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: set of times for your car or whatever, a car

795
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: or something that was big in the hood. He could

796
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: he could throw that around like it was nothing, and

797
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: people just do it to to to satisfy it. Some

798
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: of them had had had hopes of them becoming rappers.

799
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: Just some talking about some of these bodyguards.

800
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: You think I didn't do beats on some of the

801
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: bodyguard Some of them wanted hey man, some of them

802
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: had a dream. So when it was downtime and they

803
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: saw him around the studio, hey, can you listen to this?

804
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: A lot of times I wouldn't the nigga say no, man,

805
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: I listened. You know, I'm trying to put something to

806
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: whatever they was doing. You know, didn't you have a talent?

807
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Huh? Any of them dudes have real talent.

808
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: Some of his homies did. But I don't remember what

809
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: a hair run had a couple of raps or whatever recipes.

810
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: But I remember a few of his homies like uh,

811
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: I forgot what these niggas called himself. But one of

812
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: them in the group was uh was Red Wrong Tremaine?

813
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: He was, he was, he was talent.

814
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: He had some Talian girl was Bloody Mary. He had

815
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: he had some. He had some. They had some.

816
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: Homeboys, some or bloods or whatever. They ran with their

817
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: new sub They they came through a lot of them.

818
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, I would mess with them and they they

819
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: they had something to offer.

820
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: But a lot of the bodyguards.

821
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Not really you know. I say the closest one they

822
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: had had something to bring to the table was probably

823
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: the one that ended up dating raids neck bone.

824
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: And it wasn't him.

825
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: But they found a group, that group I told you

826
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: about Bugatti by girls who were really.

827
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: Tight, you I mean they was tight. They was tight.

828
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: So they brought Rage and him brought them to the

829
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: to the table. They just Jeff Road, It just mattered

830
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: too soon for them to actually get their stuff out

831
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: or whatever. That was something that that never really finished blockoming,

832
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: you know.

833
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: So but they was tight that you know what.

834
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: The one thing I want to say, man, is that

835
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: we always hear that bad about Should man, and Should

836
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: really didn't do nothing, no different than what a lot

837
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 3: of these other executives been doing. He was just upfront

838
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 3: with his ship. It's like that you said that still

839
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: for real. No, it was a lot of people that

840
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: was doing shit, man. You know, for that we see

841
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: from puff on down, a whole bunch of people. You know.

842
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: It was like this has been going on since the

843
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: Berry Gordy days, and before that it was going on

844
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: with the Italian mafia. They were doing the same stuff

845
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: in the music business. You know. So Should get a

846
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: lot of stuff, man. Should changed a lot of people's lives, man,

847
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: And like we got to give to me. We speak

848
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: too bad about our black people sometimes.

849
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: Man.

850
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: It's like we have to tell both sides the coin,

851
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, he might have been a little rough

852
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 3: around the edges, but maybe that's why he was healing

853
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: successful too.

854
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: Man.

855
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: He probably was doing what he had to do in

856
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: order to get his respect, you know. And to get

857
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: stuff going, because sugar get some amazing shit the shorter money.

858
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Man.

859
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to put no names out there, but

860
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: I know some specific artists and the people who signed it,

861
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: and it was widely told they contract was just as

862
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: bad or worse than skill.

863
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: And you got to know who they group was. I

864
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: won't name some of the groups.

865
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: But I know at least two right now, and it

866
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 2: was they had someplaces that they they they payperwork, wasn't

867
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: no better than these stiges or work.

868
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: So a lot of people.

869
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: Put his name out there, but a lot of time,

870
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: when they got a chance to sit in that same

871
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: seat to sign other people whatever, they hand out, that

872
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: same stuck.

873
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Just that he had the gangster with it, you know.

874
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: But a lot of them they might not have had

875
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: the gangs to get in like that, but when.

876
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: They had a chance to bring somebody on they handed

877
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: that busted out too. If somebody didn't really know what

878
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: the part of the game was or whatever like that,

879
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 2: they didn't do anything.

880
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: They didn't do They artist no better either.

881
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: So and I just don't I don't want to name

882
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: some a couple of names, man, because a couple of

883
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: them are really prominent today and they still here today,

884
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: but they handed out the same bullshit that they was

885
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: complaining about.

886
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: Sure, well what you say still you know about you

887
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: know given or you know or hip hop or black peers,

888
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: you know bad rocks, you know, eat know they might

889
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: have done some good, you know for for some people,

890
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: like you said, shill a lot of homies from good

891
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 4: Uh he probably employ or a few homies who touched

892
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: down from the pen or whatever who probably wouldn't have

893
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: the opportunities to travel and to or vow to you know,

894
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: functions or whatever. But do you feel that when certain

895
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 4: because not everybody does it? But do you feel when

896
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: biggas come from our walks of life?

897
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: Right?

898
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: You feel like because every every nigga don't come our

899
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: walk of life?

900
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Right? Everybody don't walk this path that we have traveled.

901
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 4: You know, if if you're associated or been just neighborhood

902
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: or we hated or come from that direction of dealing

903
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 4: with people who are you post neighborhood, do you think

904
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: because of what has transpired in their life maybe going

905
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: from uh situations we have all been through, you know,

906
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: uh poverty or whatever living in situations or you know,

907
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: a gay neighborhood or those walks.

908
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel they give.

909
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: A bad or or what do you think was it

910
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: the money that influenced them to become these people? Or

911
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: do you feel this is something that's very deep down

912
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: and because or power it overtakes them. You get me,

913
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of more fuckers who get in

914
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: power with money who don't order niggas to get beat

915
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: up or having secret three parties and beating on bitches.

916
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: Me like there's something us who get successful and do

917
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: very good, or.

918
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: The black community and the black man.

919
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: But thus you have those motherfuckers who get in the

920
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: pocket work And is it that the money overtakes him?

921
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: Or like you said, was this was well wedding? Were

922
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 4: these kids that they had? Or getting twenty and now

923
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: that I'm in a position of power, that can be

924
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 4: the nigga you know telling nigga, Oh I want five minutes? Asked,

925
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: would you know what I think? I'm gonna tell you

926
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: that truth? Jim, if I think two hundred million dollars,

927
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: you get me, how many people would be off with

928
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: you if.

929
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: You was just I think it's the thing. I'm gonna

930
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: tell you something, man. Anyone that we see that's prospering.

931
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: Right now that got money and act in a certain way,

932
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: They probably didn't act that way at one time because

933
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: you didn't have the opportunity to see the authentic them, right,

934
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: that's not the authentic. Then once they get money, you

935
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: get a person's true representation of who they are. Because

936
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: when you don't have money, you don't have the funding

937
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: to go out and put people hand. You feel what

938
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying, You just can't. You know, now you may

939
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 3: be able to. I got home boys, right, I don't

940
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 3: gang bang. I've always been very adamant about that. I

941
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: ain't never belonged to a gang. But I still have

942
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: very good friends from some big places, right. And if

943
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: I want to get people text up, I probably could,

944
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: you know, But that's not me, right, because that's just

945
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: not me as a person, right. I don't think it's

946
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: ever that serious, you know. I think what Sugar was doing,

947
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: I think Sugar asked something he didn't want to lose. Man.

948
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I think people come from where we come from.

949
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 3: They get into them positions of power and they're going

950
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: to be on some Malcolm X stuff by any means

951
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: necessary in order they got going, right, Because it's very

952
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: hard to get this business. Man, I'm gonna tell you

953
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: the hardest part. The hardest part is staying aboard. Man.

954
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, hey hey, can I ansk that question and

955
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: expound on that question you asked. What I like to

956
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: say is some people fantasized and that could be their

957
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: fantasy to do some of that stuff, but they don't

958
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: have the.

959
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: Means to do it because and the reason why.

960
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: I say that I got around death Row. I don't

961
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: claim a set, but I've always been around. Quips are

962
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: every hood my mother moved and not like she like

963
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: she that was strategic, like she was looking for a

964
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: quib hood. She is everywhere we moved to just end

965
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: up being quib hood. You know so, but some people don't.

966
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: But here's the reason why I say it. When I

967
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: got to death Row, I got privy to hear things

968
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: that I probably wouldn't have heard in other settings.

969
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: Is all other way I heard Sill's home was many

970
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: of them.

971
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: Different ones say things about shugs where he where he

972
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: was nowhere to I'm talking about that wasn't positive, like

973
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: basically revealing that he wasn't really a game bank or

974
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: he really didn't earn his strikes. I've heard his own

975
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: homeboys speaking like this, like I got some I won't

976
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: even miss any because y'all know him. But they was

977
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: like speaking like, hey, he got the homies jumping in

978
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: and off planes.

979
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with that shit. I'm here for a check.

980
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: I heard one of his homeboys, you two both know,

981
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: say that at death Rod. So what I'm saying is,

982
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: I've heard other homeboys who I know they was there.

983
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Just for a check, but they didn't really feel like.

984
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: He was like like he like he basically besides the

985
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: money that he could give them, they didn't feel like

986
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: he earned his strikes.

987
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: Man.

988
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: I remember he had a two cousins and they was

989
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: twins and they trying.

990
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: To wind you out after I left Death.

991
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: Row, walking out over their house one time, and they

992
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: was trying to like talking about, hey man, we want

993
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: can you do it be for us? I had just

994
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: the Maga Belli stuff and all the other stuff, and

995
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, I ain't making no chext at this time.

996
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Still get trouble. I'm woo woo.

997
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: He only giving checks to the biggest ones on the label.

998
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: Everybody starving, and I'd already done the work. But I'm

999
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: hearing from them them talk about I'm talking about.

1000
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: They friends, they peers. That's related to still.

1001
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: Talking about that didn't earned this basically saying I don't

1002
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: can give verb bay what they said, but basically the

1003
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: spirit of it was, he didn't really earn his He

1004
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: ain't really you know, he didn't earned his way out

1005
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: here on the streets.

1006
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, he got money, you know, he bought he

1007
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: buying his way through. He wasn't he didn't put in

1008
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: work or whatever.

1009
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: So I've heard several of his homeboys talk like this,

1010
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: but I'm saying he was in the position that.

1011
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Money brought something out of him. I don't know, you know.

1012
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: And Eryl, let me tell you something, man, I'm I

1013
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: know wrong than Donald Man. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you

1014
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: like this man, Sugar, ain't know. Like I said, he's

1015
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: not no different than anyone else.

1016
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Man.

1017
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: Now, I think that when you do have money, you

1018
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: got to understand. That's like eight. Don't know me for

1019
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: a minute. You know, I'm big on telling people eight

1020
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 3: like everybody not your friend.

1021
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't throw that word around loosely. You

1022
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: feel me.

1023
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't have I got associates, man, But people are

1024
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: usually only good with you when you're in position to

1025
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: do something for them, right, you know that that's.

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: The biggest thing. So people and Sugar is not alone

1027
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: in that. Man. You have a lot of people who

1028
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: are paid, you.

1029
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 3: Know, hired ins hire guns, right, they hire guns, man?

1030
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: They what do they call them? People ate the hire

1031
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: mercenaries mercenaries for hire?

1032
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: Right.

1033
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: So if you got a crew of mercenaries around you,

1034
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: you are always you always stand a chance, man of

1035
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: your situation end up like death Rose, your kind of

1036
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: empire falling apart because the people around you weren't genuine.

1037
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: They only there for what they have.

1038
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: I would rather have the type of authentic friendships that

1039
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: I have that I've developed over the years to where

1040
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: whether I'm ridge, poor or right in the middle, these

1041
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: people go still ride for me, right, They still you know,

1042
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: they still go rioting, and they still come around. I

1043
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: believe all three of us, you know, we should at

1044
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: this point of our life, we've been around a long time.

1045
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: We probably got people like that around us that love us.

1046
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: You know, they say, you know what, you're not gonna

1047
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: do that. I've had friends, Manna tell you the story.

1048
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: And I'm not big on putting people on blast. So

1049
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm not going to ever do it.

1050
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: Man.

1051
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: I had a homeboy, man that he would need help

1052
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: from here and there, he would need his rent paid

1053
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: here and there. And it was always the things. I

1054
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: look at this dude as my friend, right, So whether

1055
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 3: with him needing five hundred bucks to pay his rent

1056
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: or to buy his baby some diapers, you know, a

1057
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: couple hundred dollars here, a couple of dollars there. Right,

1058
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: always kept some money in this guy's pocket. Man, And

1059
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: it seemed like once he got in, we were still cool,

1060
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: but it kind of just like the dynamic changed a

1061
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: little bit. I didn't see him as much as talk

1062
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: to him, and I'm fine with that because I'm not

1063
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: big and he chasing people around. But I noticed that

1064
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: once he got all the way on, he almost became

1065
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: in clown mode, kind of like, well, I can do

1066
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: this and do that, and if you ask him to

1067
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: do something, and I kind of knew where we was at.

1068
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: I asked him to come up to the show, and

1069
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: the answer to me kind of let me know where

1070
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: me and him was at right now. So I didn't

1071
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: ask him, and I'm not wanting to ask somebody for

1072
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 3: something anyway, but I really just stopped messing with him

1073
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: because you the person that has money and resources. You

1074
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: know who that person truly is. He's going to let

1075
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: you know right there, I don't have to fuck with you.

1076
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't have to defference. So I never looked at

1077
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: it as somebody owes me something anyway, because to me,

1078
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: a friendship is worth more than any monetary value you

1079
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: could place on that. Right, A friend is something special, right,

1080
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: That's why I value my friendships and not on base

1081
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: my friendships around money or with nobody else can do

1082
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: for me or what I can do for them. It's

1083
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: a genuine situation, right, I think should man just feel

1084
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: victim to the you briss that plagues many of us

1085
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: in the black community. You know, we we get a check, man,

1086
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: and we think we on top of the world. Man,

1087
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna tell you this, what comes up must

1088
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: come down.

1089
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Man.

1090
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of money, man, I've had time

1091
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: to where I didn't know what I was gonna pay

1092
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: my next bill. Man. I've been in both places, so

1093
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: it kind of made me the person I am today.

1094
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 3: I used to put my faith in God nefferent man,

1095
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: because you know the thing is, man can close the

1096
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: door on you all the time. God is gonna always

1097
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: be there to you know. God has go always be

1098
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: able to keep the door open for you. So I

1099
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: don't place my faith in man no more, because I like,

1100
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say heart brokerams, I don't get heartbroken

1101
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: over no niggad. But I'm gonna tell you like this,

1102
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't put my faith in no man either unless

1103
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: they've demonstrated to me that, you know what, I'm this

1104
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: man's friend to the thicket thing. And I'm gonna tell

1105
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 3: you who one of my good friends is.

1106
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1107
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: I got a friend. I mixed him all the time.

1108
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: This name you might know him, Darryl. You know Fonbe.

1109
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I do. Fomby. I don't think

1110
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: I do. Farnbi is my homeboy man anything.

1111
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 3: I've always been a good college boy, ate anything criminal

1112
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: I've ever done in California because of Fomby.

1113
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: Right, But.

1114
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: Because he was a real good friend. He showed me

1115
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 3: the best way he knew how for me to get

1116
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: money out here. Right, so he you know, put me

1117
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: on what a sac That's just how it was back then.

1118
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 3: But he was a genuine dude, right, He was a

1119
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: genuine dude, and he was a good friend of me.

1120
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: That's why you know, thirty some years later, me and

1121
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: him are still friends, right, We're still cool. You know,

1122
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: that's my boy right there. I just think, man, some

1123
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: people aren't genuine, man, And to keep it one hundred

1124
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: with you. Man. The crazy part about it it Should,

1125
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: despite again, despite all the bad that people have to

1126
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: say about him, Should was probably the most genuine dude

1127
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: at that late might been the most Just think about it.

1128
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 3: He asked you he didn't know you met him, how

1129
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: you living, and gave you some money real quick, change

1130
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: your life, just that quick short. Because I'm gonna tell

1131
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: you this, shug kept a whole punch of them boys, man,

1132
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: living good and driving the cars and stuff.

1133
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: And some of them niggas didn't put out no hit records.

1134
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: Dog, everybody else, they didn't put out a hit record

1135
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: that was driving around on the lectures of pins or something.

1136
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Right right right, I know that I witnessed that person hand.

1137
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: So everybody you know, think about it. Nate Dog is

1138
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: probably the best dude the hook game on history. Right

1139
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 3: as far as the hip hop hook hook master, they

1140
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: didn't really get to have no hit records of his own,

1141
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, you know, he got his you know, he

1142
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: got his untown the demise and everything, but nothingtheless that

1143
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: on the gate the fact that he was incredible, right,

1144
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: but they didn't ever you know, he had some good

1145
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: songs man, like you know, he may have some great

1146
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: solo records, but for whatever reason, he never really got

1147
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: the opportunity that those other guys had to put out

1148
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 3: his own big solo records. You know, don't get me wrong,

1149
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: because he definitely made them records hints the ones that

1150
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: he was on might regulate and all that other stuff,

1151
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: but he didn't really have nothing of his own that

1152
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: he can claim.

1153
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: And I think this Sugar, the sugar was just I

1154
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: think we.

1155
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: All doing the best we can, man, because there's no

1156
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: classroom for this man. These are very extreme situations that

1157
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: we find ourselves in as young black men sometimes and

1158
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: we may not know how to navigate him. And you

1159
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: gotta think about this. I don't think nobody ever thought

1160
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: of this part. Sug might have been even scared. Man.

1161
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: You think about all the cats he had around him,

1162
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: man that any time for the turn, they back on him.

1163
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: And he knew that. I guarantee you Shug, you don't

1164
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: get as far as you do it as he did.

1165
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Man with being done, I'm pretty sure Shug knew exactly

1166
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: what his relationship in this road was with all them cats.

1167
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: I believe you still for real, Like in other words,

1168
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people.

1169
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: I've met, he attributed all success to his.

1170
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: Muscles, and I don't I don't.

1171
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: I feel like he had to know he had He

1172
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: knew the ins and out, and he watched Dick, Griffy

1173
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: and them do their thing. And I think he was

1174
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: a good student, and I think he knew that part

1175
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: of the two some facts of it. Of course, he

1176
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: kept a team around him that knew more than them.

1177
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's a smart man. You know, if

1178
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: you the smartest man in your circle, you' the dumbest man.

1179
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 2: So you got to have somebody pouring in your life too.

1180
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: So I think he watched and he observed things around him.

1181
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

1182
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: And it didn't just it wasn't just run up in

1183
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: somebody office with the muscle. Because if that easy, every

1184
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: nigga on the street, they got a little muscle, will

1185
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: have a record deal right now.

1186
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: Have a company exactly right now. If gang the record

1187
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: companies out right now run down and get a check.

1188
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask all real quick. I'm goa ask all

1189
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: you all the questions real quick before we get in part. Hey,

1190
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: if you have fifteen people you could call right now

1191
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: if you want to just go somewhere after food.

1192
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 4: No, because I mean I could call fifteen people, but

1193
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that. I'm getting those situations to where

1194
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 4: I would need to do that because I'm mature enough

1195
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: now on to where.

1196
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: I can. I won't.

1197
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 4: I won't do that nowadays, younger days. But the age

1198
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: I am now, there's not a situation that would cause

1199
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: for me, now you know, to hit up fifteen twenty

1200
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: niggas a week, go somewhere in active food on. You

1201
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 4: just got to be mature enough, you know, especially in

1202
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 4: the age as we are. We's got to be a

1203
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: mature person nowadays. That's why you know my life is calm,

1204
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1205
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't like me.

1206
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: I can't do anything about that, but as long as

1207
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: it doesn't create for a ploth where it could harm

1208
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: someone it's close to me or family. You know, people talking,

1209
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 4: they're always gonna talk. You just gotta handleg what is

1210
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: brought to you and on that note, that's it.

1211
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: A lot of that stuff, And I'm gonna answer my

1212
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: own question. I think we all got people that we

1213
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: can call, but I've never had a situation a because,

1214
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: like I said, I'm gonna tell you this, the people

1215
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: I can call are friends of mine, right, and I

1216
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: care about my friendships. I'm not ever putting none of

1217
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: my homeboys in the position over the stupid stuff to

1218
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: where they can come.

1219
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: And lose their life or lose their f find us

1220
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: some silly shit, you know what I mean.

1221
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: But my thing is this, I love you too much

1222
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: dog to put you in a situation to where now

1223
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: you can't provide for your family and your mom at

1224
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: home crying now, your daughter at home crying out because

1225
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 3: their dad ain't around. And I've seen too many situations

1226
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: of people that are in their positions that they don't care.

1227
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 3: You gotta remember, just like them, people don't have no

1228
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: respect for the money, but the man they don't have none.

1229
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 3: They respect the money, right, man with the money don't

1230
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: respect the me. That that's why you keep putting them

1231
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 3: in dumb ass situations because he knows how they feel.

1232
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1233
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: And so the thing is, I would never have none

1234
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: of my homeboys, dough, my front line security. You know why,

1235
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: because I would never want to see them in no

1236
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: position man, where they just fucked up.

1237
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1238
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, I thank you man for coming to sit down

1239
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: with us, man, because it's so much more to this story. Man,

1240
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 3: everything to be you know, everything to be told at once. Man,

1241
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get with you, Darryl Man. Like I said,

1242
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming to sit down with us, Man.

1243
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, and it is.

1244
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: Hey, it's good. Hey, I'm about to get my ass

1245
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 4: to football practice. So y'all, y'all get it cracking. Man, y'all,

1246
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: y'all see, y'all know.

1247
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: What we do. Okay, Hey, I'm all you a minute, dog,

1248
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: all right?

1249
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Darryl Man, So it was last minute, bro, Like

1250
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: you said, he has to run out of here and

1251
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: go to practice.

1252
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: Man.

1253
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: Height love coaching football, man, he loved being out there

1254
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: with them kids.

1255
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: Man.

1256
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: That trip that trips me out. Yeah, Man, I didn't

1257
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: get a chance to address him.

1258
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1259
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: I was just about to tell him he just don't

1260
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: remember me. Remember, I know he's from the North.

1261
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: I remember you started to the interview with uh did

1262
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: y'all know each other. And then the sound went out

1263
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: and we were trying to adjus what happened to the

1264
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: camera and all that, and we never got But I

1265
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: wanted to know if he remembered me.

1266
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: And I used to talk to him all the time.

1267
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: Man, somebody on the north or he stayed on the north,

1268
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: but he stayed in the building with a tick I

1269
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: was seeing.

1270
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna ask you a question, man, one

1271
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: question before we go. We talked about Shug. Are your

1272
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: memories of Sug positive or negative?

1273
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: A man, the positive is so good that I think

1274
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: that outweigh the negative. And the reason why I'm saying,

1275
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: I believe I got God for a whole lot of money,

1276
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's negative. But I believe this man

1277
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: stepped in my life and changed my life. Man Like

1278
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: this man was on a hip hop label. I didn't

1279
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: know nothing about hip hop.

1280
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: Dude. You know, the biggest song I knew, I mean,

1281
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: the biggest talent that I.

1282
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: Really respected back then was Will Smith's parents don't understand.

1283
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: So I didn't know hip hop like that. I wasn't

1284
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: no real buff with hip hop. I knew some other songs.

1285
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I didn't know other stuff, but he's

1286
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: him stepping in my life, and my life was so

1287
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: chaotic and whatever. For him to even take me in

1288
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: the room and let me sing to him, that was major.

1289
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: That was life changing.

1290
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: Bro.

1291
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: From now on, my name gonna be next to Tupac,

1292
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: My name gonna be next to Beyonce, Man, gonna be.

1293
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: Next to Mariah Carey.

1294
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: All because this guy gave me a chance to do

1295
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: what I do. So it's positive to me. He's so

1296
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: much stuff that he is. That's that question easy to ask.

1297
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: I think it's more positive than negative. Man.

1298
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, he put me in a lot of situations,

1299
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: a lot of scision. Wasn't just signing me.

1300
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: He put me around some people that all of those

1301
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: things helped change my life.

1302
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying, man. So sometimes man, we

1303
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: gotta look at situations man for the positive whether man,

1304
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: we can't always because like I said, man, he wasn't

1305
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: the first or the last stristy music sicken.

1306
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah man, Yeah, yeah, he had some ways. Man, he

1307
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: had some ways.

1308
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: It was like a ways that got me signed and

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Speaker 2: got me to be the Daryl Hunner I ended up being,

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Speaker 2: you know, like he really put me in around some

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Speaker 2: for me to even think I was in a room

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Speaker 2: with a snoop dogg or I was in a room

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Speaker 2: with a hammer, I was in a room with her

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Speaker 2: with a tupac, I was in those rooms to even

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Speaker 2: think that I got a chance to know Dad's and

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Speaker 2: all these wonderful names of people I've met, ain't Campbell,

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Speaker 2: mainly like Moe, ain't Campbell. Just for me to know

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Speaker 2: that I met these people, if it wasn't too allowing

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Speaker 2: me to come around his studio and get and be

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Speaker 2: around in the company and these people you know, and

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Speaker 2: that hadn't nothing to do with gangster.

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Speaker 1: And I just.

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Speaker 3: Had to get I'm gonna say it one more time

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Speaker 3: before we go. Man, whenever you have people, man that

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Speaker 3: have this immense responsibility man, that helping other people get

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Speaker 3: their dreams out and they goals accomplished, you always can

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Speaker 3: fall short no matter what, because people's expectations go all

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Speaker 3: ways out willing reality with and the crafty with the

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Speaker 3: situation really is you know, right, is how it is, man.

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Speaker 3: But I appreciate you man. Were out of here, Man,

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Speaker 3: I'll hut y'all next week, okay, Man, Well that concludes

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Speaker 3: another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 3: to download the iHeart app and subscribe to the Gainst

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Speaker 3: the Chronicles podcast. But Apple users find a purple micae

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Speaker 3: on the front of your screen, subscribe to the show,

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Speaker 3: leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for The Gangster

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Speaker 3: Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel Aaron m c a Tyler,

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Speaker 3: Our visual media director is Brian Wyatt, and our audio

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Speaker 3: editors tell It Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is a production

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