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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 3: And this is Sarah hart Unger. I'm a mother of three,

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Speaker 3: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are

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Speaker 3: two working parents who love our careers and our families.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 2: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 2: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 2: the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome the best of both worlds. This is Laura. This

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Speaker 1: is our Annual Goals episode. This is going to be

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Speaker 1: Goals twenty twenty four, which is airing at the very

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Speaker 1: end of December twenty twenty three. I think this is

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Speaker 1: our last episode in twenty twenty three, So thank you

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Speaker 1: to everyone who has been listening to us in the

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Speaker 1: course of the year. So, Sarah, somewhat of a meta

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Speaker 1: question here, but when do you consider your choices of

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Speaker 1: Annual Goals final? Like we're making this episode weeks ahead

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Speaker 1: of time, I guess things could change before it actually airs,

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Speaker 1: but when is the final final?

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Speaker 3: I feel like the final is when I've written them

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Speaker 3: by hand. In my notebook of choice that I'm using

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Speaker 3: for my annual goals, because then they're there. So I

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Speaker 3: actually considered mine still to be slightly in draft mode

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Speaker 3: mostly solidified at this point, but yeah, I won't give

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Speaker 3: them the final until they're like written down in inc.

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Speaker 1: Or carved in stone or something like that. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the truth is day you can always add goals during

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Speaker 1: final final until December thirty, first the year. But on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, I tend to think of like the

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Speaker 1: New Year's specific goals need to be set by New

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Speaker 1: Year's Like, if I'm going to do something every day

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Speaker 1: thing I've been doing lately and talking about is the

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Speaker 1: idea of practicing your goals, especially when you are setting

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Speaker 1: Like you figured out what this goal is going to

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Speaker 1: which is when people often abandon a goal because they've realized, oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you could even think of it as

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Speaker 1: is at sometimes rediscovered, right like you can find new pieces.

436
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: Things are we realize they are Bock writing. It's not

437
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: some other composer, it's actually Box. So there's up to

438
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: eleven hundred and seventy six b WV numbers, although some

439
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 1: of the last fifty are lost. We don't really know

440
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: what they are, but we can sort of piece them

441
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: together based on they're probably very similar to other works anyway.

442
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: It's a long lot more than maybe anyone wanted to know.

443
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: But I am learning all this as I am setting

444
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: this up, because you could just listen to them in order,

445
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: right like first January one, I will listen to BWV

446
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: one and two, and like January two, I will listen

447
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: to b WV to it three and four. But there

448
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: are vastly different links of time, like so it can

449
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: be a forty five second piano invention, or it could

450
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: be a two hour oratorio right like, and so you

451
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: probably need to be a little bit more strategic about

452
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: when it is. It's also the first two hundred and

453
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: twenty four are all cantatas. They are all roughly twenty

454
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: minute vocal pieces. So you know, if you want only

455
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: all kantatas all the time till March, like, you'd be

456
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: listening in order. I don't want to do that, so

457
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm mixing it up from the first half of Coral

458
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: in the second half of Instrumental, making a map to

459
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: get myself to roughly thirty to forty minutes of listening

460
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: per day.

461
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: So question, okay, you actually I have two questions, Okay.

462
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Speaker 3: Question one is how much do you have to be

463
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Speaker 3: paying attention for account? Like are you gonna like sit

464
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 3: and like consentraate and like feel the box or you're

465
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: like I'm driving whatever that I can drive?

466
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can definitely, I'm gonna be I'll be driving. Yes, Okay, Sorry,

467
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: what's your second question?

468
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Speaker 3: Well, and like would you be talking over it? Like

469
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: are you really hearing it?

470
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Speaker 1: I would probably not be usually doing this with kids

471
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Speaker 1: in the car. It's more like if I'm dry having

472
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: to pick up a kid, I would put it on

473
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: and then probably turn it off or put on their

474
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: music or whatever for when they're in the car with me. Okay.

475
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: My second question is do you have any specific reading

476
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Speaker 3: type goal, because I feel like you've always had one,

477
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Speaker 3: or is it just going to.

478
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Speaker 1: Be free for all? It's going to be a free

479
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: for all, total free for all. In twenty twenty four

480
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll be a little bit more structured in

481
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five perhaps, but yeah, I love it. One

482
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: of the times that I know I saw I can

483
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: listen while I'm driving. I can also listen while doing

484
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: my back stretches because I have a sequence of sort

485
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: of stretches, strength training things and yoga posas that I

486
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: do every single day. It takes about ten minutes, So

487
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: that's ten minutes that I can listen to Bach and

488
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: make it a little bit less boring the fact that

489
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: I need to tend this aging body of mine in

490
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: order to not fall apart. At least while I am

491
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: staving off the inevitable falling apart, I will be listening

492
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Speaker 1: to Gorge music.

493
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Speaker 3: And so it's a strength training also a specific goal

494
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: for you.

495
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, So I am going to continue working out with

496
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: my trainer once a week and then my goal is

497
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: to do another session at least once a week. So

498
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: he sends me a list of the exercises that we

499
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: did in the session, so I can just redo those

500
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: or even if I just remember them, or I can

501
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: pick my favorites. I'm not setting any rules for myself

502
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: on what the second session is it's just that it

503
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,239
Speaker 1: has to happen. So, you know, if I just want

504
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: to go to the y and lift weights there because

505
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: the kid wants to go work out there, like that

506
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: would totally count. Or if I wanted to just run

507
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: through a series of my favorite things, I could do that,

508
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: but it needs to be something a second time a

509
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: week awesome.

510
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: All right. Well, I had a lot more personal goals

511
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: than you, as is typical.

512
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I talked for a long time about box.

513
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: I kind of like that back and back, you know,

514
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: like the.

515
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Year in my back, by the way, that's your word,

516
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: it soaring, amazing, the sound of God thinking, and one

517
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: just my own like middle aged woes.

518
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: So your mortality facing more tight. We won't get too deep,

519
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: all right. Relationships category number two three. Category number three

520
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: is sorry, You're right, we did work, okay, I am.

521
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is like two nebulous of a goal.

522
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: This goal needs refinement, okay, because I haven't set like

523
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: the cadence or specific but I eventually will. Before January. First,

524
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: I want to carve out more one to one time

525
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: with each family member, every kid and my husband. The

526
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: husband part I figured out. I want at least one

527
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: date with just us per month, preferably one with just

528
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: us and one social date. That might be a hard sell.

529
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: My husband doesn't like people.

530
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: That much sometimes, so well, maybe you guys can come

531
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: here or one of your Philadelphia trips, will do I

532
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: mean that can would he tolerate us? I don't know.

533
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: Yes, no, he likes people, but like he might agree

534
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: to like people every other month, not every month. But

535
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: I want it to be at least just us every month,

536
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: and then something like that with the kids. But I

537
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: need to figure out the right cadence in time. And

538
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: then I want to take two couples trips with Josh.

539
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: They can involve running races, do double duty that way,

540
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: but as long as it's just us. And then I

541
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: do want to see my sister and my adorable niece,

542
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: who is so fun now she's at like a really

543
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: funny age, like she's turning four, So I feel like

544
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: this is what I really really want to hang out

545
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: with them. So that worked out pretty well, and I

546
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: want to see them at least three times. I kind

547
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: of have the dates already tentatively figured out, but it's

548
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: awesome to have my parents and my sister in the

549
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: same place. Which happens to be where you live to

550
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: so it's awesome.

551
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: It's awesome we fit it all together. You know, when

552
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: you make the trip, you can get many things out

553
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: of one plane ticket, which is great. So my relationship goals.

554
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: So the first one is kind of a phyllisical approach

555
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: to my time over the next year that will then

556
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: be reflected in how I spend my day to day hours,

557
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: which is that I want to prioritize time with my

558
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: older children. And within that, I mean, you know, Jasper

559
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: is in his junior year of high school. He will

560
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: most likely not be around us, you know, in another

561
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: two years, less than two years, he'll be at school somewhere.

562
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: At least that's the plan. And I don't believe he's

563
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: going somewhere local. That could change, but you know, regardless,

564
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: it's like we're going to be seeing less of him

565
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: in about a year and a half from when this

566
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: is airing, and so and then Sam and Ruth are

567
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: not that far behind. The three of them are stacked

568
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: fairly close together. So knowing that time with my older

569
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: kids is a top priority then informs my schedule with

570
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: activities like it is worth having help with Henry on

571
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: the weekend, Like that can be a financial priority to

572
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: pay for some help with Henry on the weekend, because

573
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: it means that I can do things with the older

574
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: kids or just like hang out with them, right like

575
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: go sit at the kitchen table having a Starbucks drink

576
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: together and chat and not be like jumping up to

577
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: go help a child in the bathroom or like, you know,

578
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: he's doing something else. Like three year olds are just

579
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: naturally more needy, and that's nothing wrong with it. It's

580
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: just the reality of having a younger child. But given

581
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: that I did have five children spread out quite a bit,

582
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: I need to make sure that I have the time

583
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: to engage with my older children in the way that

584
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: I would like to. And so that's something that will

585
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: be you know, reflected in that taking trips with the

586
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: older children, doing the Starbucks runs again, you know, like

587
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Starbucks has this reputation in the personal finance literature is

588
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: like being the biggest waste of money in the world

589
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. And yeah, I make my coffee in the

590
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: morning at home and I like it perfectly fine. But

591
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Starbucks for me is not in the like daily caffeine category.

592
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: It's in social time with my kids. Category and that

593
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: is worth a lot to me. So we spend a

594
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: lot of money on Starbucks in this household, but you know,

595
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: I think it's worth doing in terms of an investment

596
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: in our relationship.

597
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: It's so funny how it's such a tween and teen magnet.

598
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it is absolutely a teen and tween magnet. But

599
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: you know whatever, it's fine. I don't mind the drinks,

600
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like I'm happy to have a Starbucks drink, so oh yeah,

601
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: that's great. So that's kind of the mindset. I don't

602
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: know if there's like a word that engages with that,

603
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: but as I evaluate what I am doing in any

604
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: given period of time, it's like, Okay, is this going

605
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: to allow me to spend more time engaged with my

606
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: older children. If so, it's probably a good use of

607
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: time and resources to do that. I am celebrating my

608
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary or a twentieth wedding anniversary with Michael this year,

609
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: so we will do something to celebrate that, hopefully something

610
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: reasonably creative, but we'll see what that is. And I guess,

611
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, just in general, to realize we have been

612
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: together twenty years and have that inform our kind of

613
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: couple time together, and I do want to do more

614
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: regular friend stuff. And again, this is like you said,

615
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the one on one time, it's kind of a nebulous thing.

616
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: So what does that mean to do regular friend stuff.

617
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: I have a couple of local friends that I exercise

618
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: with regularly, either that I run or walk with, and

619
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: that's good because it means that you do it regularly,

620
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: but that always, you know, could make more local friends.

621
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. You know, there are people you

622
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: see regularly that can move up the friendship ladder. But

623
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: also there are people I like in other places around

624
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: the country, and some of whom I feel reasonably close to.

625
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: But it's like you haven't really necessarily built up the

626
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: relationship as much because they're not local. And I'm like, okay,

627
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I have flexibility in my job. I have the you know,

628
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: if this is a priority for me, Like plane tickets

629
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: aren't that expensive, right, and just go buy a plane

630
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: ticket and go stay with her friends for a couple

631
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: of days. That's a relatively cheap trip. So I have

632
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the ability to do that. So I would like to

633
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: do that, so nurture relationships with friends both near and

634
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: more far flung.

635
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: I love it well. I made a sort of subcategory,

636
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: even though I like having four categories, but I felt

637
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: like relationships and household, like your rationale is that, like, well,

638
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: your household goals are to support relationships, but I feel

639
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: like there are some logistical things I wanted to work on,

640
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: so I made another category for myself.

641
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: My shick is supporting my relationships.

642
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's not on the list. I want to establish

643
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: a family reading routine, which is funny because I read

644
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: on a blog the other day about somebody wanting to

645
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: do that. I'm like, yes, so maybe this is a thing.

646
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: But kids who have devices.

647
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: In relationship, that's a relationship goal. I like parenting goals

648
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: as part of relationships. I don't know, maybe yeah, it

649
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: could be in the relationship, but okay, what do you

650
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: mean by that? What is a family reading tea?

651
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: I just like, well, Genevieve can't read on her own yet,

652
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking this will be the year that she

653
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: probably will cross that milestone to like easy books, And

654
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: I just like the idea of like twenty or thirty

655
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: minutes like that, we just like all like are off

656
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: of devices and read together, just because I want to

657
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: instill that habit. And again, devices, I let my kids

658
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: use devices. I'm not like not giving it to them

659
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: at all, But I also want them to be able

660
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: to sit still and read a page for thirty minutes.

661
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's like too much to ask,

662
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: especially if like they get to pick the book, any

663
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: graphic novel, any series book. I don't care. So I

664
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: just I want to work on cultivating that habit. I mean,

665
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: my husband and I both love reading, and my big

666
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: kids do enjoy reading, like when it happens. I just

667
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: would like it to be more regular. And then I

668
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: want to have better family meetings. And I feel like

669
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: we're just finally at the age where everyone could participate

670
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be so chaotic. We've kind of gotten

671
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: into a rhythm of Sunday dinner, so I'm going to

672
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: kind of combine that with Sunday dinner and have a

673
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: little bit more of an agenda that we talked through

674
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: the week ahead. And then fine, I will do the

675
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: estate planning.

676
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll finish it.

677
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: I have higher hopes. I feel like I actually like

678
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: might actually finish it.

679
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: You might finish it, all right, Well, check back in

680
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: when we do our review of twenty twenty four when

681
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: that episode airs in early December of twenty twenty four,

682
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: we can see did Sarah do her estate planning this year?

683
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: We will find out, so stay tuned. Hopefully you will

684
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: still be listening to us. Then, I did not set

685
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: any particular household goals. I mean, I guess you know,

686
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: some of this is like just habits we already have, right,

687
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: So nine o'clock is devices docked in mom and Dad's

688
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: room so kids can read for an hour. I mean,

689
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: they can also do homework if they have homework, but

690
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: it's a time that at least builds structurally that they

691
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: would read, and most of them do at that time.

692
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: We also are going to do a little bit more

693
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: reading with the kids, and I think particularly I mean

694
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: I already do with Henry. I read him stories every night.

695
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: But Alex can still listen to stuff, and so this

696
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: is not necessarily my goal. But Michael and I have

697
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: talked about this, and he does more of the reading

698
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: to the bigger kids. So he was reading with Ruth

699
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: last night. They were reading some Encyclopedia Brown, like vintage

700
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Encyclopedia Brown. That's kind of fun. They had read through,

701
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the old Nancy Drew books again,

702
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: vintage Nancy Drew, some less politically correct stuff in there,

703
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: but still good mystery stories. I think they're going to

704
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: try to restart the Harry Potter reading with Alex because

705
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: that's been a little bit touch and go lately. But yeah,

706
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, these are all things that are great to

707
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: have a family reading routine. So yeah, I'm not setting

708
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: any house goals though, like I'm done, Like the past

709
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: two years, we've done so much stuff with this house.

710
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm I'm none of my household goals involved the house.

711
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: As you notice, have about no renovation projects for twenty

712
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: thirty four. That's my goal. It won't happen because something

713
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: will break and we'll we'll have to do it. We

714
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: have ambitions for it, but nothing is pressing. We should

715
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: just enjoy the house as it is.

716
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: Little take a break, Yeah, enjoy what you've already accomplished.

717
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

718
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: Well, I have one addendum, which is that you know,

719
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: it's very popular to come up with like I think it.

720
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if Gretchen Rubin originated it, but she

721
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 3: definitely talks about it on her podcast, which is to

722
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: do like twenty two for twenty two, twenty three for

723
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty four for twenty four. Yes, the numbers

724
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: are getting bigger.

725
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: They have acknowledged that doing like sixty seven for sixty seven.

726
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, this gets a little unwieldy at some point.

727
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: It does get unwieldy, which is why I actually thought

728
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: it'd be fun to just I mean, this is already

729
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: like my goal is to do more experiences, so I

730
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: just thought it'd be fun to make a little like

731
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: template of twenty four different types of experiences that I

732
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: was wanting to do anyway where I would just like

733
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: fill in a little thing so I can post this,

734
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: but basically, like I'm not going to read all of it,

735
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: but like two live music experiences, six movies, et cetera,

736
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: to add up to twenty four different things.

737
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: We have a couple of interesting categories in here because

738
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: I can, so I'll share with You're not going to

739
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: read it, but I will. But natural areas, so visiting

740
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: some like pretty park somewhere exactly, host gathering so holding

741
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: three sort of parties over the course of the year.

742
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: A scent experience that was very Gretchad Rubin, I was

743
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: very Gretchen inspired. And then a handful of new recipes

744
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: that you're going to try as well.

745
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: Yes, five for the whole year. Like five, I'm n

746
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: setting the bar super high. We're not doing twenty four

747
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: in each category or anything nuts, just like keeping it manageable.

748
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: But I think when it's done, what a cute portrait

749
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four it would be.

750
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that I'm thinking about this, maybe one thing

751
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: I would like to do is actually document some of

752
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: our household processes, because I think it's not something I

753
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: always write about, but I have thought through a lot

754
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: of stuff in just managing a household of seven people

755
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and various other things. And you know, we talked about

756
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: family reading routines. I'm like, oh, yeah, we have, we

757
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: have one and our meals. I guess I've talked about

758
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: that some or know how shopping works or how laundry

759
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: works or how whatever else, and so you know, maybe

760
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: it would be of interest to someone. So perhaps I'll

761
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: try recording that as.

762
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: A I like that standard operating procedures.

763
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: Standard operating procedures for our household. Yes, exactly, all right,

764
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: So okay, do you want to read the question or sure?

765
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: I will kind of not be very specific about it,

766
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: but this is a listener that is working towards obtaining

767
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: a certification, a professional certification that is the gold standard

768
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: in their field. They're done with education and experience, but

769
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: have to sit for the actual test, which is a

770
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: four hour test. It costs four hundred dollars and has

771
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: quote a low pass rate. I don't know how low

772
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: is low, but I'm guessing not ninely, just saying percent

773
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: of people don't pass, Like it's it's going to be

774
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: way below that.

775
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Okay.

776
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, and then she writes she's been doing self

777
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: paced studying, but something often comes up and she gets

778
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: off her schedule. And in September she found out she

779
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: was pregnant with twins yay, And they also at the

780
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: same time had all this other home stuff going on,

781
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: a move, et cetera, and the pregnancy has been very exhausting.

782
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: So her question was, do we have experience studying for

783
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 3: big exams like this, any tips to share, any tips

784
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: on managing this and home life is a parent because

785
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: home life does not go away. And then she notes

786
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: that she does not want to miss her couple hours

787
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: in the evening with her daughter.

788
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is a topic I think we've talked

789
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: about a little bit before because I mean, first of all,

790
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: congrats on the twins. I mean, you know, having a

791
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: two year old and twins on the way is kind

792
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: of a big exciting part of life. But then also

793
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: having these big professional goals too. I think it's just wonderful.

794
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: You have so much going on, and so you should

795
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: hopefully take a pause to think about how great this

796
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: is that you have a career you're excited about to

797
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: the point where you're trying to propel yourself forward to

798
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: the next level in it, and your family is growing

799
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: so many wonderful things. Yay. I read an incredibly disturbing

800
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: study a few years ago about so many surgical fields

801
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: after you've done your training to do this like mantal exam.

802
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Sarah can tell me what the exact name

803
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: is for it, but you have to answer all these

804
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: oral questions and stuff. And it turns out a study

805
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: of it, the pass rate for single men and single

806
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: women was very very similar. Right, So of course, right,

807
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: we wouldn't think that there's anything that you women can't

808
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: be surgeons. Obviously they can be. The pass rate for

809
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: women with children was significantly lower than the pass rate

810
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: for men with children, So men with children passed about

811
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: the same rate as single men women with children. It

812
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: was something like a fifty percent pass rate versus like

813
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: ninety without it. I mean, it was a huge gap.

814
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: Those aren't the exact numbers, but we're talking that sort

815
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of order of magnitude of the gap. So basically, women

816
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: with children were far less likely to pass this high

817
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: stakes exam that was sort of the culmination of their

818
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: surgical training as they were getting into practicing. And so

819
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: you know why is that, Well, it's probably a combination

820
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: of discrimination, and I'm sure there's old surgeons or like

821
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't look like a surgeon to me, she looks

822
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: like a mommy. But there's also the reality that you

823
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: have to prepare a lot for these sorts of things,

824
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and in some cases, I feel it becomes a household

825
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: priority for the male surgeon that he have the time

826
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: and mental space to prepare for it. It then becomes

827
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: not so much a household priority for mom to have

828
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: the time and space to prepare for it. Many of

829
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: the cases, she's still doing whatever she would have been

830
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: doing even though she has this high stakes exam coming up.

831
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not just it's probably there's stereotypes

832
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: or part of it. Maybe men are slacking, you know,

833
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: but it's also that women probably feel like they do

834
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: still need to do this. As those woman says in

835
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: this question, I don't want to miss my evening hours

836
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: with my daughter. So what do we do with that? Well,

837
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: you have to decide is this a household priority for

838
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: you now or not, because it's not going to get

839
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: easier once the twins arrive. Like, so if you're goal

840
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: is to like take this exam in like the end

841
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: of your second trimester, so before things get really falling apart,

842
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: and you know, after you're done with at least some

843
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: of the exhaustion of the first though I know that

844
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: twin pregnancies are totally different, then it needs to be

845
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: an intense household priority for the next few months scheduled

846
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: exam and take it, and you are gonna spend tons

847
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: of time with your daughter, like over the next few years,

848
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be on I assume a maternity leave

849
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: from your full time job for a couple months with

850
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: the twins, You'll have lots of time with your two

851
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: year old then too, because it's not like she disappears

852
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: during that time. She's gonna be around as well. So

853
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: it's like, you're gonna have this very intense family period

854
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: coming up. So I think it's probably okay to have

855
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: a very intense work period while you study for this

856
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: exam and sit for it, and your partner can spend

857
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: more time with your two year old. If there's a

858
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: reason that he can't do that, then you can find

859
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: some other caring adult to spend some of this extra

860
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: time with the two year old. And she's not going

861
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: to remember any of this, Like she's two, she's not

862
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: going to remember it, but she will remember if mommy

863
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: is feeling happy and fulfilled in her life as she

864
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: grows up. So I think we can have seasons and

865
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe this can be an intense work season knowing that

866
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: there's going to be an intense family one coming out.

867
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also would say, just from a practical note, Okay,

868
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Speaker 3: so I do have sort of experience in this. I

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Speaker 3: took my Pied's End of Boards, which I don't I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it has a high fail rate or not.

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Speaker 3: I don't think everybody passes it. Maybe something like eighty percent,

872
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Speaker 3: so you know you can fail it. But anyway, so

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Speaker 3: I took my peed's end of Boards in twenty thirteen

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Speaker 3: in the fall, which meant I had a toddler and

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Speaker 3: I I was pregnant. I was said, like first or

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Speaker 3: second trimester with Cameron. And because you take your boards

877
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Speaker 3: after you finish fellowship, when you started your first job,

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Speaker 3: usually get hired as board eligible. Anyway, I'll stop that part.

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Speaker 3: But I would say I didn't study to win awards,

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Speaker 3: meaning I didn't study the way I used to study,

881
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Speaker 3: like when I studied for my USMOS, Like I was like,

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Speaker 3: I want to get the highest possible score. I want

883
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Speaker 3: to like devote all of my free time to this.

884
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be like crazy and like do two

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Speaker 3: three out, you know whatever. It was more like, okay,

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Speaker 3: what do I need to do to like probably pass

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Speaker 3: that I can handle? Meaning a evening study session. I

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Speaker 3: would tell say, Okay, I'm going to do it. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be thirty minutes and I'm going to do it

890
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Speaker 3: versus like some pie in the sky, I'm going to

891
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Speaker 3: spend four hours and then like not want to even

892
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Speaker 3: start it because like it's just totally daunting. So I

893
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Speaker 3: do think like there's something for like giving yourself a

894
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: reasonable amount on your plate and being consistent with it

895
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Speaker 3: versus trying for like a one hundred percent chance that

896
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Speaker 3: you'll pass and being really really stressed about it. So

897
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Speaker 3: like there is that to think about. I mean, it's

898
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Speaker 3: four hundred dollars, which sucks if you fail, but you

899
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Speaker 3: know you can take it again, so then you might

900
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: know how much effort is really involved. Sometimes really conscientious

901
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: people might actually overestimate the amount of studying they have

902
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: to do for different things. Of course depends, I don't know.

903
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Speaker 3: This exam may be very different from my exam, But

904
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Speaker 3: I guess there's that to think about. The other thing

905
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Speaker 3: is to like possibly throw money at the problem on

906
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: every angle. So again, childcare, as Laura mentioned, like yeah,

907
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Speaker 3: and you know, remember you don't have to do something

908
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Speaker 3: every single day for it to be true. So if

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Speaker 3: you're spending two three days a week with intense study

910
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: sessions and then the rest of the evenings with your daughter,

911
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: you're still spending a ton of our daughter or son,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, child, You're still spending a ton of

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Speaker 3: time with your child. And if you're really consistent about

914
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Speaker 3: those sessions, it may be enough. So not setting yourself

915
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Speaker 3: up till like it has to be every day or

916
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: bust getting the best, most targeted, efficient review materials you

917
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Speaker 3: can get, or even like hiring a coach in that field,

918
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: if that's something that's available. So figuring out ways to

919
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Speaker 3: make this a more digestible thing for you. Also, if

920
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: there's any kind of like audio resource that you could

921
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: do when you're just like tired and just lying down, like,

922
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Speaker 3: think about whether there are ways of stettying for this

923
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: that could potentially be more palatable. But I also very

924
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: much agree with Laura in that the idea that you

925
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Speaker 3: have to spend every single night with your two year

926
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Speaker 3: old or you're a missing something or be a bad

927
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: mom or see harming her in any way like that

928
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Speaker 3: just isn't true.

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Speaker 1: Nope, but we wish you the best of luck on it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm it's exciting, it's a you know, I

931
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Speaker 1: think it is totally possible to make the space to

932
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Speaker 1: study it and still have a full family life. And

933
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Speaker 1: I think it's just you have to be rational about

934
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Speaker 1: planning it out. So Love of the week, So we

935
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Speaker 1: both have been buying planners for twenty twenty four. Sarah

936
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Speaker 1: is a bit more into this than I am, but

937
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Speaker 1: I am experimenting with a plum paper sort of more

938
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Speaker 1: custom planner that I purchased because Whitney English, which was

939
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Speaker 1: the planner that Sarah had set me up with a

940
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago as a week on a page planner,

941
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Speaker 1: they were not making that planner for twenty twenty four,

942
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, well, now I got to

943
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Speaker 1: find something else. So I went on Reddit, and as

944
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Speaker 1: the Internet is very helpful, I figured out what people

945
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Speaker 1: were buying who had been buying that Whitney English planner

946
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Speaker 1: and now needed another one. Somebody suggested this particular plumb paper,

947
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Speaker 1: so I went and designed it. They were having Black

948
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Speaker 1: Friday sales. Great I designed it, came to me, and

949
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Speaker 1: then I saw that Whitney English was also having a

950
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Speaker 1: sale on an undated version of the planner. They decided

951
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Speaker 1: to offer the planner that I had been using, just

952
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: without dates on it, which I know that some people

953
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: are like, well, look I need the dates, but you

954
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Speaker 1: can fill it in day to day. I mean, just

955
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Speaker 1: write the numbers on it. So I went ahead and

956
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: ordered that as a backup, and if I wind up

957
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Speaker 1: sticking with the plump paper in twenty twenty four, then

958
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Speaker 1: I can use the Whitney English in twenty twenty five.

959
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Speaker 1: But if I decide I don't like the plump paper,

960
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Speaker 1: then I can have my Whitney English non dated starting

961
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Speaker 1: whenever I want, Like, I can start it in April

962
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Speaker 1: if I if I need to. So I guess my

963
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Speaker 1: planner stack is now my love of the week.

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Speaker 3: Yay planner stack. I mean I can see from Whitney's

965
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Speaker 3: perspective why an undated planner might be a better business proposition,

966
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Speaker 3: because you can sell it anytime versus something with a

967
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: very specific shelf life. It's rough to make dated planners.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't do that anyway. So my love

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Speaker 3: of the week is my planner stock for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: If you want a visual, I will make a video.

971
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Speaker 3: You can find me by searching. I don't even know

972
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Speaker 3: how to find me. I don't know best laid plans.

973
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Speaker 3: Just search pod or something. Just yeah, I'll put a

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Speaker 3: link somewhere. So super excited for my whole planner lineup

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Speaker 3: for this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we are super excited in general for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. So hoping that people will keep listening to

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Speaker 1: us in the new year and hold us accountable for

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Speaker 1: all these goals. We hope you've set marvelous goals that

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Speaker 1: have you excited about the new year as well, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back next year with more on making work

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Speaker 1: in life fit together.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: and you.

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Speaker 4: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 4: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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Speaker 4: us next time for more on making work and life

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Speaker 4: work together.