1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Thing from My Heart Radio. It's summer, and that means 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: it's time for our tradition at Here's the Thing, where 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: the staff share their favorite episodes from our archives in 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: our summer staff picks series first up. As our producer, 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Isaac Kaplin Woolner. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Thanks Alec as the newest member of the Here's the 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Thing team. I've spent the year going on a deep 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: dive of the archives. One of my favorite episodes has 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: to be with the hilarious and seemingly omnipresent character actor 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Richard Kind. He just has one of those voices that 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: immediately makes me laugh, and Alex's interview with Kind highlights 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: not only his warm wit, but his intelligent and captivating storytelling. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: I think you'll enjoy Alex's twenty twenty four interview with 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: Richard Kind as much as I do. 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: If you turn on your device or television or go 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: to the movies, you're likely to have the good fortune 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: of enjoying the work of my guest today. Who else 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: has such a prolific output. A starring role in a 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Coen Brothers movie, One Moment and a cameo in a 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: network sitcom. Only one of the hardest working people in 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: show business, Richard Kind Kind single handedly redefined the. 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: Term character actor. 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Memorable roles on Spin City and Curb Your Enthusiasm exploit 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: his killer comedic timing while HBO's Luck and the Oscar 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: winning Argo exercise his dramatic chops. He lends his voice 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: to animated films like Cars and Inside Out, and then 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: graces the stage as a Tony nominated Drama Desk winning 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: theater actor, and his stage resume is deep, dirty, rotten Scoundrels, 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: The Tale of the Alogist's Wife, Candide, and kiss Me Kate. 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: He even starred as Max Biellistock in the iconic Mel 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Brooks musical The Producers, kiss Me, Squeeze Me, touch Me, 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: love Me? What are They? And the producers holed me, 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: touch Me, hold Me? You played that part I did 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: Where did you do that part? 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Broadway and the Hollywood Bowl and mel wants me to 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: do it in London. 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: Now Broadway mean after they when they left you came. 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: On or I did it? I did it. I call it. 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: I did it for Asians and Iowans because they got 41 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: all of the new Yorkers, then Stephen Weber, and it 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: was Henry Goodman, and then Brad Oscar did it for 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: a while, and they got some of the New Yorkers 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: who couldn't afford the expensive seats, and got smart people 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: from all over the country, you know, from cities. And 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: then when there's nobody left, that's when I came in 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: and close the show. I sort of did. I didn't 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: close it, but I did it with about eight different Leos. 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: Whenever there was a Leo that was going to go 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: out on the road, they would put him in for 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: three days to see what he was like with me, 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: and I would test him. And there was one guy one. 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: He's a lovely, lovely guy, Patrick and I can't remember 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: his last name. He has a broad Way stalwart and 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: so he's but he's built like a brick chack Cassidy. No, no, no, no, no, 56 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: he's playing Leo right for nobody you would know. 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: He's built like a brick shit out and he's playing Leo. 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: And he's playing Leo. And at the end of the act, 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: I put my arm around him, you know, and go, 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. We'll do it like that. And 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: I go, oh, my God, this guy could pommel me. 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 3: But he's been in twenty Broadway shows. He's a real stallwarty. 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: But he's a he's a guy. You know, there's a 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: lot of people on Broadway who are more known as 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: understudies because they can do every sort of role. They're 66 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: in the cast. They can do the swings, they can 67 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: do everything, and you have great talents, and they will 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: not raise them up to the role of performer and 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: they should be. They mistakenly keep themselves in constant employ 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: employment as swings and they don't have the ambition to 71 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: rise above. And I think that's an interesting person I. 72 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Found, and I'm sure you found over these low these 73 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: many years that for some of them, certainly not all 74 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: of them, it's about geography. They don't want to leave town. 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: There's things they could go do that could maybe help 76 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: their career whatever, maybe TV films or shows, but they 77 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: want to stay in New York. They don't want to 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: leave wife, kids. Yeah, I remember them doing soaps. We 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: used to call Upper Montclair, New Jersey the soap opera Riviera. 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: They all lived out there, and yeah, and that was 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: not family. I believe that, But no, I don't totally 82 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: agree with you. I'm sorry, and right off, we don't 83 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: content us. No, they want to stay in a position. 84 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: Maybe they do have families, and that is why they 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: are complacent about their ambition. 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: So complacency is to blame for their careers. 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: I think it is. They work all the time. Yes, 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: it's complacency, but it's not fear of travel, because a 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: lot of them go on the road. There's a lot 90 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: more money to be made on the road. You get 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: per diem and you get paid. 92 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: The moment you walked in, I knew you were not 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: going to have the kind of conversation I call the 94 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: log rolling conversation. But as none of us is going 95 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: in the water, I guess which one's going to go 96 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: in the water. Which one was going to get tossed 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: in the water? 98 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: Now? Right, but I'm right about this. You on everything. 99 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: Now we're still dry. 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: We also concluded my producers and I work on the 101 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: show with me. We also concluded that this podcast is 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: the only thing in show business you haven't done yet. 103 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: This is this one show You've done everything. 104 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: But it's crazy. I know I should be much wealthier. 105 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: I do everything. I have said this before. I am 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: the costco of acting I common quantity, and I come cheap. 107 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: And that's why the toilet paper like toilet paper. Yes, 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: instead of buying twelve rolls at the CBS, you got 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: twenty six for the same price. Yes, that's me. When 110 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: you were a child, New Jersey, Bugs County, I'm sorry. 111 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: My dad was head of STOREM Princeton, New Jersey. 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: She was in Princeton, Western New Jersey. 113 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: There, Yeah, but I was on the way to Yeah, 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: we were right across the river. But the point is 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: that you're there. 116 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: What was because I'll just preface this by saying, when 117 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: I was a kid and there was only network TV, 118 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: no streaming, no HBO, there. 119 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: Was Network TV. Yeah, yeah, I watched the little album. 120 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: You call it network TV. I called it Channel two, 121 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: Channel four and channel seven okay, and O R bix 122 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: exactly exactly. And we would watch the Million Dollar Movie 123 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: five times a week, Monday through Friday was the same 124 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: one every week. What was the theme song for a 125 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: million dollar movie? Fro I'm gone with the wind? Thank 126 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: you very much. Okay, please let's go out and coming 127 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: both on the log right now falls to be here. 128 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: Now wait a second, I'm going to get you with 129 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: that in a minute. But when I was a kid, 130 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: it was all like I would there with some dramas 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: and whatever. But I watched f Troop and Gilligan's Island 132 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: and all this crap all the time, and I dream 133 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: of Genie. I watched Network comedy. 134 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: I knew, and I knew the TV guide, and at 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: that time I had my finger on the pulse of 136 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: America and what they liked. And it was a big 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: slap in the face when I thought that I knew 138 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: about things and I absolutely didn't. How So, okay, who 139 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: wants to be a Millionaire? Right? Who's gonna watch Who 140 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: Wants to Be a Millionaire? It's Jeopardy with seven questions. 141 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: I said, nobody's gonna watch this biggest hit in the world. 142 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: That's what it was to me, and I go, it 143 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: can't be. I did a charity episode of that. Now 144 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: you did. Okay, I'm going to tell you something. I 145 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: was the first person to ever win a million dollars 146 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: and Who Wants to be a Millionaire? Oh my god, 147 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the host we just no, I'll tell 148 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: you how. It was an ABC show and my character 149 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: from Spin City goes on who Wants to be a Millionaire? 150 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: And I win a million dollars and nobody who would 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: win a million dollars had been broadcast yet, Hey, hey 152 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: really no no okay, okay, no no, no, no see 153 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: d D are you sure? 154 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: Yes? 155 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: D me? He is your final les hey d D 156 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: me say so? I was the first person. I wasn't. 157 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: Paul Lassiter from spin City was the first person. And 158 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: the thing, you know, and it had already hardly been on, 159 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: and there were some people who do you have a 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: lot of confusion between yourself and your character. This is 161 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: how good I am won, this is who how good 162 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: I am? But I immersed myself. I kissed Elizabeth. It 163 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: really was, uh, it was. It was okay, But I'll 164 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: tell you something else. Do you remember when Farah Fawcett 165 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: had her poster out right? Of course, okay, Arnold Schwarzenegger 166 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: said I will be bigger than Fara Fawcett. At the time, 167 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: we all snorted, and I said, who the hell does 168 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: this idiot I think that he is? I was wrong. 169 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: I thought I had my finger on the pope. I 170 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: don't know what There was a day that happened, but 171 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: that continues today. 172 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm at a party the other day and Grete Gerberg 173 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: is there with bomb back, and I said to them, 174 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: if I could go back, and if I could have 175 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: one wish, my wish would be I go back in 176 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: time while you were filming, and I'd say, Barbie is 177 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: going to earn a billion dollars world, I'll take all comers, 178 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: take all back, exactly for everything. Yeah, And they looked 179 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: at me like, wow, that's a weird thing. 180 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: Exactly. Okay. I was at a poker game with a 181 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: guy friend. So he's at the poker game and says, 182 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: my wife has been asked to write a pitch for 183 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: the Lego movie, at which point seven guys start making 184 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: fun of the Lego movie. Oh oh, I don't know 185 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: which piece to put here? Do I put a long, 186 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: long rectangle or do I put a square here? What 187 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: do I do? All of a sudden, Yes, all of 188 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 3: a sudden, Three or four or five years later, the 189 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: Lego movie comes out and it's huge. But can you 190 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: imagine coming to a table and saying we're going to 191 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: make a movie about Legos and we just laughed. 192 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: We just left my career. I make a movie with 193 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: my ex wife. We decide we want to work together. 194 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: We weren't really very fussy about what we were doing, 195 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: not fussy enough, but we get our hands on on 196 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: this original script that Walter Hill wrote for The Getaway 197 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: with Steve McQueen, and we decided we're going to do 198 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: a remake of The Getabay. 199 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Want. 200 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I want to do an action film. I hadn't done 201 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: one in a while, and we're going to go to 202 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: Arizona and do the Getabay. And Walter Hill leaves because 203 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: they wouldn't give him enough money to make the movie. 204 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: And then we go do it with the Roger Donaldson. 205 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: And the point is is that we come out and 206 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't have high hopes. Mean it's we're doing a remake, 207 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: which is always dicey, and the movie comes out, but 208 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: we're up against the movie. I looked at my ex 209 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: wife and I said, we're in. We scored. Okay, we're 210 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: up against this movie. We're opening weekend against this movie. 211 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Acepentura pet Detective, right, Hey, what the fuck is Ace? 212 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: And then there's the history, yep, who knows? 213 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: Who knows? I do not have my polls, your childhood, 214 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: my childhood, I knew everything. I knew everything. Well, Dick 215 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: van Dyke, by the way, who did I have breakfast 216 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: with this morning? Bill Persky? Oh god, who created? Well, 217 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: he didn't create, but he wrote the lion's share of 218 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: Dick Van Dyke shows, and he quoted, he quoted an 219 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: episode that Howie Morris did, and I go yes, And 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: I started filling in the blanks with because I remember 221 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: Dick Van Dyke show, Gets Smart, Get Smart? Was was 222 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: was manna to me? That's what I was raised at. 223 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: Soupy sales, was manna to me? I was, I was 224 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: raised on soupy sales. That's yeah, he was. I got 225 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: a funny story about it, but I'll tell you later. 226 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: But super I went to his funeral over at the 227 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: Campbell Now, but I had never met him before it 228 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: since I read the bit and it says it's at 229 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: the Campbell Hall. I'm going on with Campbell, Frank Campbell. Yeah, 230 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: over on seventy seventh or whatever. 231 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: The funeral part. 232 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: It is the fut it is the funeral parlor. 233 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: To the story. Yeah, but you went to super Be's thing. 234 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's like, who's the other one. 235 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: I remember super Be saying, I mean I would sit home. 236 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean I would lie to my mother and I 237 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: didn't do this like all the time, but I did 238 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: it at enough times to believe me. I almost got 239 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: in trouble for this, and I would sit to my mother, 240 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm sick, and I realized my mother was lonely. My 241 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: mother put all of her kids in school and her 242 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: husband was gone all day and she was lonely. So 243 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: she let me stay home from school to have a companion. 244 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: And what did you do? Did you wash? 245 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: I watched Hollywood Squares and I watched Paul Land. I 246 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: learned half of my acting from pauland Paul Land taught 247 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: me how to act. Have you done Hollywood Squares? I 248 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: did Hollywood Squares? I did a Millionaire. I did Hollywood 249 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Squares with Whoopee and it was for charity. The guy, 250 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the guy that was his name King, that owned the show. 251 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yah. 252 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: So King is kind to me and knew that my 253 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: charity my mother's foundation for breast cancer. My mom passed 254 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: away last year, but she had a breast cancer foundation 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: housed at sunny Stonybrook, and then we got a chapter 256 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: rep state where she moved to, and so a lot 257 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: of beneficiary. Danny Wegman from Wegman Supermarkets very kind to 258 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: my family and King gives me two hundred and fifty 259 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to do the show. So I go on 260 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: to you give me two hundred and fifty thousand bucks 261 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: to do one week of the show with Whoopee. I go, 262 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: I have a ball, I do millionaire. I have a ball, 263 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean. And then I host Match Game. For those 264 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: three years we did Match Game, and someone would say 265 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: to me, oh, of course in this way that my 266 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: career is like a very blurry polaroid. Here, I do this, 267 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: I do this, I do this. They're like, well, another 268 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: coffin and Alec Baldwin's career casket, and I think to myself, well, 269 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: I did it for the money. I did it for 270 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: the charity thing, to give the money away. But then 271 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't hold my hold back of the truth, which 272 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: was I had more fun doing that than a lot 273 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: of other things. I loved them, love it, I loved 274 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: doing match Yeah, we had a ball. 275 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to tell you something. When I was 276 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: on Spin City, I was approached to do special episodes 277 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: of America's Funniest Home Videos. So I did a Christmas show. 278 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: It was an hour show, and I said I will 279 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: do it, but I don't want to do it like 280 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: Bob Sagett. I don't want the fireplace and I want 281 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: the audience. I don't want me talking, talking and making 282 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: these stupid jokes. I'll narrate the films, but I'll host 283 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: set by introducing the clips. But I don't want to 284 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: be funny. They did. Plasma TVs were first invented. I said, 285 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: let's have them on polls. I wore a black turtleneck. 286 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: I hosted it for an hour, highest rated America's Funniest 287 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 3: Home Video Special, but. 288 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: They ever had Richard kind. If you enjoy conversations with 289 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: inspiring comedic actors, check out my episode with one of 290 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: Richard Kine's earliest co stars, the legendary Carol Burnett. 291 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 4: In that era, the only one who really would speak 292 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: up was Lucy. 293 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: She was very strong. 294 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: But it's not in my nature to take over confront 295 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 4: or anything. You know, if a sketch wasn't working or something, 296 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: instead of like Gleason or Sid would say, look, guys, 297 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: this stinks. 298 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: Now, come on, you got to fix it. 299 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: But but you know they would do that. 300 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: I would say, I'd call the writers down into the 301 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: rehearsal hall, and I'd say you know, guys, I'm not 302 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: doing this too well. Do you think maybe you could 303 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: help me out with a different line here or there, 304 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: because you know, otherwise I would have been. 305 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: A bit. 306 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: To hear more of my conversation with Carol Burnett go 307 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing dot org. After the break, Richard 308 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Kind shares his experience landing a job with the one 309 00:14:53,200 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: and only Carol Burnett. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening 310 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing. If you feel there is no 311 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: dramatic or comedic role Richard Kind can't inhabit, you might 312 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: be right. With over two hundred and seventy film and 313 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: television credits to his name, it seems like the profession 314 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: was built for him. I wanted to know if Kind 315 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: always knew that the field of acting was his destiny. 316 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no no. Law so business 317 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: was made for other people exactly, yeah, yeah, no no, 318 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: but I'm an actor, Are you kidding me? And my yeah, 319 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: my fend. My father said he wanted me to go 320 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: to law school, business school to take over his stay. 321 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: And then you went to Northwestern Great law school for 322 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: one year. 323 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: No no, no, I went to Northwestern undergrad. I was 324 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: accepted to U of P Law school, and I deferred it. 325 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: My dad's best friend. He said, try acting, because you'll 326 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: be resentful of your children and your wife. You'll never 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: be young again. Did you so try it young enough 328 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: so you didn't go to law school For a. 329 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: Year, I didn't go to law school at all. I 330 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: defer it. 331 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: No, no, no, never went to law school. My first 332 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: year I took acting classes with a guy named Bud Buyer. 333 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: Bud Buyer during one class he knew my parents, he 334 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: and met them and liked them, and that I was 335 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: supposed to go into law school. He put me on 336 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: stage in a chair and for forty five fifty minutes 337 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: he berated me for not having the courage to become 338 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: an actor. That that's what he coward, everything like that, 339 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: and I said, it's just what I was made to do. 340 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: I was supposed to go into my dad's store. It's 341 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: all there for me. Have two and a half kids, 342 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: belonged to the country club, and then it was just 343 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: it was in February. We were watching a football game 344 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: with Steve Holsman in our living room January February, and 345 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: during the commercial night he said, you should defer law 346 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: school and try it. And like I said, one year 347 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: turns into two and then I just never went. 348 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: How did you try? You went to school for it? 349 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: He went to Second City, No, no, no, where was 350 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Galatia professor of yours. 351 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: Ah Gallotti was Ah Gollott. He was great. Did you 352 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: did you know him? Love him? Yeah? Oh, Gollotti was great. 353 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: Galotti at Northwestern. I went to him my probably my 354 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: junior senior year, and I said, I want to be 355 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: an actor, but you know, I think that I should 356 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: be going to law school and business school so I 357 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: can go to my dad's story. He said, well, why 358 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: don't you become a producer, so then you get the 359 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: business that I go, no, no, no, I become an 360 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: actor or I become rich at my dad's store. It's 361 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: one or the other. It wasn't. I just want to 362 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: be in sobiz. I want to be an actor. And 363 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 3: I said I told him that. He goes, well, you're 364 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: not going to work until you're thirty two because you 365 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: don't have the face for what Hollywood wants. So go 366 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: out there get good. And then at ALTI Galotti said 367 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: that to me. Yeah, and I did. I I came 368 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: to New York I went. I had HB Studios. I 369 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: worked at you remember the saloon. I opened the saloon. Okay, 370 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: it's now a bed bathroom, or was a bed bathroom beyond? 371 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 3: I opened ahead did no? You didn't No, I was no, 372 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: but I did. I was a waiter. I was a 373 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: waiter at Swiszaloon with Jennifer Gray, who I later became 374 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: my wife in a TV series. So we all worked there, 375 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 3: and I took classes at HP Studios. I did all 376 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: off Broadway plays. I did a play called Take Death 377 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 3: to Lunch with Lonnie Price. I did a great play 378 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: that sounds like it shouldn't be The day the Horse 379 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: came out to play tennis by Arthur Copeitt, who later 380 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: became a friend of mine. The Arthur, the Arthur Copeit. 381 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: In fact Arthur he wrote, Oh Dad, poor Dad, about 382 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: a little you know, five foot four stutterer. 383 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so one day Arthur was in the closet and 384 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: she's feeling so bad. 385 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: That is correct. So one day I'm doing a play 386 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: at Bay Street. He comes backstage to say hello. I'd 387 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: never met him, and he's six or four handsome, was 388 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: all got out, looked like a baseball player. And he 389 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: comes up and he shakes it, shakes my hand. He goes, 390 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: I'm Arthur Copet and I go, no, you're not. I 391 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: couldn't buy a stud and he wrote about a little stutterer. 392 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: So I just did all of those things. I went 393 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: on the road with did you know part Performing Arts 394 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: Repertory Theater, Children's Theater now known as Theatre Works, playing 395 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: Blackfish the Indian with Daniel Boone thirty six states in 396 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: five and a half months, and I was I had 397 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: these braids and the makeup and everything, and one day 398 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: we played this elementary school and all the kids are going, 399 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: I want to see the Indian. I want to see 400 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: the Indian. And I had my makeup off and everything 401 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 3: and they come out and all their o their faces 402 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: were just ah, they were crestfalling. I oh sorry, I'm 403 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: the I'm the Shapiro tribe, you know. And then I 404 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: just did you know Practical Theater Company? Every year of 405 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: that No in Chicago, Second City. Next door to Second 406 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: City was a little space called the Etc. Which had 407 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: people from Second City who were you know, on the 408 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: in the touring companies and on the Upper Way. And 409 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: they started a company called Practical Theater company. I went 410 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: from New York to Chicago to do a show at 411 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: their place. Second City saw me in that. I went 412 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: on Second City and then and then I went to 413 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Hollywood after four years four and at year eighty eight 414 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: eighty nine. 415 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: Yes, and when you get there, what was that like 416 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: for you? 417 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: At your age? I'm one of the I'm stupidly I 418 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: like auditioning. I love auditioning. An artist can work alone, 419 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: a writer can work alone. But an actor, you go 420 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: in front of a mirror. You can't do it alone. 421 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: You got you gotta act in front of people. So 422 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: I loved pilot season. I loved it. You go into 423 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: these rooms, there's old friends. You know, it's not in 424 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: New York. You pass old friends in LA you see 425 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 3: them in the audition room. I used to have pilot 426 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: season after pilot season. I didn't really because I usually 427 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 3: got the job. I don't mean to be like that. 428 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: But during the pilot season, I got a pilot, wanted 429 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 3: the funny that went to series. 430 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: I was just lucky, untalented, but my thank you. 431 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: But my first show was a drama because when I 432 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: came out of Second City, I said, I don't want 433 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: people to think of me. It's just funny. I want 434 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: them to know I can act. So I did a 435 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: Stephen Cannell show called unsub. I call it unsubwhat unsub? 436 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: Because I say unsub? What unsub? So it was what 437 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 3: does that mean? Short for unknown subject? That was the 438 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: name of the show, unsubbed unsub. It was like, why 439 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: don't they just drive the fucking camera truck into the lake. 440 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: You're right, but the word unsub. They were chasing unknown subjects. 441 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: Whenever I see Peter Roth, remember Peter Roth for brothers. 442 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: Whenever I see Peter Rothy hucks me, he goes. We 443 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: were the first. We were the first procedural and I'm 444 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: not kidding unsub unsub because usually police shows went into 445 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: their private lives. This was only about what they were doing, 446 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: the crime, the crime, the work. Now here was the 447 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: first episode. Are you ready? Yes? Paul Gilfoyle Wonderful Acts 448 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: Love Gilfoyle. Okay. Gilfoyle plays a cobbler, a shoemaker who 449 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 3: puts razor blades in the heels of women's shoes. When 450 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: they try them on, they bend over in pain and 451 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: he stabs them in the back of the neck with 452 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: an all Okay, So this is in the eighties. Okay. 453 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: So he comes running home to his mother, Grace Zabriski, 454 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: the rate Gray Sabriskie, who's lying in a bathtub with 455 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: her legs spread, and he comes in. He goes, mother, mother, mother, 456 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: mother had done something bad. Okay, this was the first episode. 457 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: Brandon Tartakoff had gone to lunch with Stephen Cannell. He 458 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: had two writers, Steve Cronish and I can't remember the 459 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: other guy's name, and they had created a show called 460 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: Wise Guy. So Connell goes to Tartakoff and says, I 461 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: got a show for you about the guys who chase 462 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: serial killers. He thought he was getting a team. He 463 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: thought he was going to get another a team. He 464 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: sees the first episode with the killer. It happens to 465 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: see it the night after Harado Rivera had a show 466 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: on about Witchcraft. It was on NBC and the reviewers said, 467 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: this is the bottom of network TV. It can never 468 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: go lower, and Tartakoff is getting attacked. He sees this 469 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: episode the next day in the screening room. Midway through, 470 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 3: he stands up and he goes, what the fuck are 471 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: you trying to do? Bring down this network single handedly? 472 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: So Canell knew the show was off, but we did 473 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: eleven episodes. How was the Carol Burnett experience? Oh that 474 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: was the greatest great. Well, let me tell you about 475 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: Carol Burnett. I worship her. So I go in for 476 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: the audition. I had done a show called an episode 477 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: of Anything But Love with Jamie Lee Curtis and Richard Lewis, 478 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: and the producer of that says, you know, he's great. 479 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: Instead of the casting director coming out to get me, 480 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm the only one there out in 481 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: this hallway, said the casting actor, Colling Richard, come on in. 482 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 3: Carol Burnett comes out to the hallway and says, Richard, 483 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: come on in, let's play. And I said, well, that's 484 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: how you run Hollywood. We hear your good Let's see 485 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: your best, not come on in and show us, show 486 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: show us what you can do. It's come on in 487 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: and let's play. Let's see if we can have you 488 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: at your best. And I went in. I read with her, 489 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: and she, of course is of course, as showed her kindness, 490 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: and I said, all right, I will. 491 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Actor Richard kind If you're enjoying this conversation, tell a 492 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: friend and be sure to follow Here's the thing on 493 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 494 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: When we come back, Richard Kind shares one of the 495 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: best pieces of acting advice he's ever been given. 496 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. 497 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: We all know and love. Richard Kind's long running characters 498 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: Paul Lasseter from Spin City and cousin Andy from Curb 499 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: Your Enthusiasm. Another role Kind is famous for is that 500 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: of doctor Mark Deveno on Paul Riser's Mad About You, 501 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: but surprisingly only for its first season. 502 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: Well I got fired, You're fired without knowing it. I 503 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: started off as a recurring character. We were on every 504 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: episode and we said, well, you got to make us 505 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: a regular. There's a big difference in pay see. After 506 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: about six episode, they made us regulars, and then we 507 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: asked them in April, am I going to be coming back? Yes? 508 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: Of course. I go do the Music Man out in 509 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: North Carolina in summers because I always do theater during 510 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: the summer, so I'm guaranteed I don't have to go 511 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: make a lot of money because I got a show 512 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: on the air. I get a call from Paul's manager 513 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: that I'm not coming back, and I start to cry. 514 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: It's on a payphone where I'm living out in North 515 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 3: Carolina that you know, we're sharing, and I get a 516 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: phone call and I go why, They go, well, we 517 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: just don't think that you're working on it. I was 518 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: the only person who was let go and I said, 519 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: I don't understand, and they go, well, we just don't 520 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: think that you're right right now for the show. And 521 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: I just I didn't call Paul. And then Danny, who 522 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: was a great guy, but he did not stand up 523 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 3: for me. He thinks some funny, he thinks some great 524 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 3: but he did not stand up for me. And they 525 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: this is who the guy created the show. And Paul 526 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: and I have made up with both of them, Yeah, 527 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: in ways that we didn't even properly make up. But 528 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: I should I should be mad at both of them. 529 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: Well, listen, we all I was the biggest movie star 530 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: in the world at that time. Wanted me to do 531 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: a movie with him, and there's another guy they wanted. 532 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: They had cast the Sky and then he couldn't. There 533 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: was a conflict in his schedule. He couldn't do the movie. 534 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: The TV show he's doing wouldn't let him out. So 535 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: they called me and they go, it's you, it's you, 536 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. The director, the writer, the producer, the star. 537 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: They call me, Oh, they're on a comfortable they're all 538 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: on a comfort go through the phone. Oh my god. 539 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in my car and like West Hollywood, 540 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go buy like T shirts in some fucking 541 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: store on Melrose. And they call me and go, it's you. 542 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: And my agent goes, it's you. They're gonna do the 543 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: movie with you. Within a week, nobody calls me. Nobody 544 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: says they say, you're out. They blow my deal. They 545 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: completely dynamitical because the guy they make him available, the 546 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: other guy comes back again, which was their desire. And 547 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: you never want a director looking down the lens wishing 548 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: somebody else was there. I've been there before. 549 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: I don't like it. I mean, in a series, you 550 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: can't quit, but they can fire you now when you go. 551 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: This is always intriguing to me because when I did 552 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: thirty Rock with Tina, you know, Tina was the one who, 553 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: in whatever language she used, she impressed upon me. The 554 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: network's harder. It's harder to make it funny. I know, 555 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: you can't say fuck the girl can't come out of 556 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: the cake in the top off. It's a cable and 557 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: streaming are a different fish, and to make it really 558 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: funny and edgy on network is harder. Your career transition 559 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: is Carol Burnette and Mad about You and spend City 560 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: for years and then you go into curb. Describe that 561 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: arc for me. Do you miss the old ways or 562 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: do you like being able to say whatever you want 563 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: to say on streaming TV. 564 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Gee, that's an interesting question that I don't know whether 565 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: I can answer like that. I just did an episode 566 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 3: of Night Court. I don't think you need to say 567 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 3: whatever you're referring to in order to be funny. But 568 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: I will tell you where I did miss it is 569 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: right now. I like doing single camera better than four camera, 570 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: having just done Night Court, which I enjoyed, and the 571 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: cast is phenomenal and the show's funny, everything like that. 572 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: But I did a show called East New York last 573 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: year which was well regarded, highly rated. The Jimmy Smith's 574 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: Amanda Warren. If you know Amanda, it's a great, great cast. 575 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: I missed cursing there you did, Yes, I did. But 576 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: for Network it was as gritty as a show could 577 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: be a lah NYPD Blue because it's was written and 578 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: created by an NYPD Blue, a lum guy named Bill Finkelstein. 579 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: She using it warranted that it should, but it's network 580 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: team and they there are certain FCC rules. 581 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: That's a dramatic show. But it was oh yeah, because 582 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: you like, I'm not just saying this to be kind. 583 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: There are people who are arthic, are very funny, who 584 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: you'd see that they had a mean, I see what 585 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: I see. This is a very subjective process. But I 586 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: mean where you take Mathow and Mathou is a comic 587 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: genius and he plays straight. 588 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: I put you in that category. You can do it. 589 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: You can do anything very you can because you're because 590 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: you have your commanding, your your you're articulate, you're beyond funny. 591 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: But I mean, you drive, we used to say on 592 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: thirty Rock all the time. You give the scene, the 593 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: stick to the end, you give this you you don't pause, 594 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: people just keep you got to keep driving. Yeah, and 595 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: you have that velocity and that pace of a very 596 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: smart person. And I put you in that category where 597 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: you can do the drama as well. 598 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: Well. I recently, why don't you do more drama? Who 599 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: the fuck is going to hire me somebody smart. Well, 600 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: that's right, but you don't always get that in Hollywood. 601 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: Now here's something that I did do and it's we're 602 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: trying to shop it now I should send it to you. 603 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: It's called hit Man. You know who Lawrence Block is. Yes, 604 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: Lawrence Block wrote a series of books, three books called 605 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: hit Man. Each chapter is a hit. But it's a 606 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: guy who looks like me, maybe lives on thirty eighth 607 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: between second and third exactly, a guy who you would 608 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: and is a killer the way some guys are plumbers 609 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: and some guys repair of cars. He knows that the 610 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: HiT's going to be done. It's not that he's a 611 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: moral he just does his job. And that's the kind 612 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: of character it is. There is not a funny moment 613 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: in it. I'm you're gonna do it? You think we 614 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: did a twenty minute pilot and it's pretty good. Friends 615 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: of yours, Peter Regert, Karen Allen, they're both in a 616 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: worship parent. Oh the best, the Best, that great, beautiful funny. 617 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 618 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: And Bill Sadler, you know Bill Sadler. You know they're 619 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: they're in it. And I am very quiet and not 620 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: loud and serious and it's straight up for good. 621 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Big Knife. Who invited you to the 622 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: party there? You wouldn't involved with joe Anne with did it? 623 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 3: Yes? I did it with Joanne and Joanne Joanne wanted you. 624 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: Who played the part? Scott Cohen played the libro? Yeah, yeah, 625 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: I was wonderful. And Chris Reeve's wife, Dana, Dana, and 626 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: she was magnificent. She was great. I thank god she 627 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: had no idea. You talk about taking a gamble. She 628 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: had no idea. Who I was, no idea in the world. 629 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: So I go to the metal fall in her apartment 630 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: and and I got up there and that's where I 631 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: read and I read the thing. And thank god she 632 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: didn't know me from Mad About You or or Spend 633 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: City or any of that stuff, so that I could 634 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: be this character. And I came in as a blank 635 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: slate and she gave me the job. I was. I 636 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: couldn't believe it. Do you know? 637 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: When I'm I'm doing thirty Rock and we get towards 638 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: the end and I and I. 639 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: This was And how did Tina ask you to do it? Why? 640 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: I think that she jokingly said something to Lauren about me, 641 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: or he said something he's always between the two and that. 642 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: Laura Lauren knows how funny. 643 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: And Lauren wanted me to come. He said, would you 644 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: come and do the show? And I did not want 645 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: to do a series because I was getting divorced and 646 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: my daughter was in LA and she was very young. 647 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: And Lauren said, I'll make the schedule suit you. You'll 648 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: be able to go to LA every weekend or every 649 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: other weekend. So they made the schedule very convenient for me. 650 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: It was almost a joke, and I went and did 651 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: the show. I remember toward the end, I mean, there 652 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: were many moments that was just very affecting to me throughout. 653 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean many that I thought to myself, these guys 654 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: are just the funniest writers. But toward the end, I'm 655 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: sitting there and they go, we want to ask your 656 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: ex wife. They're going to have Kenneth the page. I 657 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: jack donnege makes him the president of NBC Universal. I'm 658 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: going to make him the president, and his father has 659 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: died and his stepmother's going to fly up to New 660 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: York from Georgia to visit him. And it's my ex wife. 661 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: Kim Basinger is going to play the part. And they're 662 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: going to have me fall in love with his stepmother 663 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: and marry my ex wife on the show US and 664 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: Kenneth becomes the president and he becomes my step son 665 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: in law. The so the way this all came together, 666 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: I was in tears laughing how amazing this was. But 667 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: then Kim didn't want to do the place. 668 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: She said no, she just said, all right, I'm going 669 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: to tell you something. I once got the great honor 670 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 3: of introducing you at some benefit of some sort, and 671 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 3: I remember saying, I can't say to your face because 672 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: we're peers, we're friends, and you don't do that. But 673 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: you are phenomenal. Oh you're very good. No, you're a 674 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: you're great. And this was years ago, and you're only greater. 675 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: This is before you did thirty Rocky. You are precise, 676 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: You are great. You are you are just dead on. 677 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: It'sid enough that you're handsome, it's enough you're charismatic, you're 678 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: so good in the roles that you are still go, 679 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: but but that you are so good at podcasts. The 680 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 3: episode you did on the Garbage, I've been listened to 681 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 3: it three four times. I tell everybody to listen to it. 682 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: It is so fascinating what's been more difficult for you 683 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: the lifestyle and what it's done in your how it's 684 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: played out in your life. Never that family, kids, All 685 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 3: that's being away, traveling or the work itself. Neither is hard. 686 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you have Daniel day Lewis who submerges himself 687 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: into the character, which I don't believe at all. But 688 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 3: he sits alone and he does that. Michael Stoolberg, I've 689 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 3: seen do stuff like that. I show up and I 690 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: go today, I'm this guy. Let's play pretend and I 691 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: play pretend. I'm just saying anybody else the same. Yeah, 692 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 3: but I but will I do? I try to try. 693 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: I do turn off my phone on the set. First 694 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 3: of all. I like talking to people, and the people 695 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: on the set are more interesting. 696 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: I want to stay connected to the set in the 697 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: world i'm in. 698 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: Yes, there was a great acting teacher who I was 699 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: lucky to have, Harry maskro George. I have of him. 700 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 3: I heard the name. He was great. Raleiota took from 701 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: him a lot and anyway's pretty great. And he just said, 702 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 3: just go play pretend. When you see kids out on 703 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: a playground doing cowboys and Indians, they they go what 704 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: tribe was I from what state? Where's what state I went? 705 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: Now they go play cowboys and Indians and that's yeah. 706 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: That's a great thing. When we play astros, which apama 707 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: mission is this? Yeah? 708 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: Right, But but in my head, in my head, I 709 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: imagine in my head, I've made decisions. I haven't done research, 710 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 3: but I have made decisions in my head. This is 711 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: where I know. Michael Dorsey, you Dustin's caracter right, right, 712 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: exactly exactly. I am was a beefsteak. But but but 713 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 3: he said, you have to go over the script. All 714 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 3: the answers are in the script. That's what Harry said. 715 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 3: Every answer you want is in the script, and that's 716 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 3: what do you pour over the script? Anthony Hopkins used 717 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: to do that. Read the script thirty times. He would 718 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 3: read it thirty forty times. By the way, you want 719 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: a great story, my favorite showish story. I know where 720 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: we're going out about Thomas. You will go out on 721 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 3: tomagow and a great character actor, a great guy. There's 722 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 3: a show called La Bette Friend of Yours. Ron Silver 723 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: is the lead. Okay, Ron Silver, a week before they open, 724 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 3: decides to quit. He doesn't want to open the show. 725 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 3: Tom McGowan is the understudy. They go to Tom McGowan. 726 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 3: They go, do you know the show? He says, of 727 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: course I do, and it's a forty minute monologue. You know, 728 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 3: le Bette, Do you know the show? Yes? You can 729 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 3: go on. Yes. They go, we are going to ask 730 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 3: Kevin Kleine if he wants to take over for Ron Silver. 731 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 3: If he does, we're gonna close the show, rehearse for 732 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: four weeks, and open with Kevin Klein. If Kevin Cline 733 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: says no, we're going to open on schedule in a 734 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: week on Broadway with you. Can you do it? He 735 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 3: says of course. He goes home to call his mother. 736 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: He says, Mom, they're gonna ask Kevin Kleine if he 737 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 3: wants to do it. If he says no, I'm opening 738 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 3: next week as the lead in this Broadway show. His 739 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 3: mother goes, oh, I hope. Kevin says, yes, I love him. 740 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: It's my favorite Showbis Story. 741 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: You're somebody who has that thing. You come on screen 742 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: and everybody's happy. That's nice. They're happy to see you. 743 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: They know they're gonna laugh, they know they're gonna think. 744 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: They know that you're an intelligent comic actor. Mostly comfort 745 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: you do drama as well. But you're somebody who the 746 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: minute you come on screen, everybody is happy. They're happy 747 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: to be with you. They want to be with you, 748 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: and that's why you need to do this until you're 749 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: ninety five. 750 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 3: Fuck not what I will, but it's true. I love it. 751 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: I think you're amazing. You're so talented. Everybody in this 752 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: business loves you. Everybody in the business loves you. That's 753 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: a big thing. They respect you. They think you can 754 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: do any they think you can do it. Well, don't 755 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: cry anyway. 756 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: I love you, Thank you, I love you very very much. 757 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 3: I love you. 758 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: My thanks to Richard Kind. This episode was produced by 759 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: Kathleen Russo, Zach MacNeice and Maureen Hobin. Our engineer is 760 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: Frank Imperial. Our social media manager is Danielle Gingrich. Here's 761 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: the Thing is recorded at CDM Studios. I'm Alec Baldwin. 762 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 3: Here's the Thing is brought to you by iHeart Radio.