WEBVTT - Josh Marshall & Scott Lincicome 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.600 today's best minds. And you're going to be shocked to 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.800 hear this Home Depot says it's raising prices. You know 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.840 why because of the tariffs. We have a great show 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:21.320 for you today, talking Points memos, own Josh Marshall stops 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.200 by to talk about Trump's unpopular agenda. Then we'll talk 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.760 to the Cato Institute's Scott Linscombe about tariffs and how 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.400 they are completely undermining our entire economy. But first we 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.120 have the most important stories that aren't getting the attention 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.440 they deserve. Mai, we're giddy with how terrible everything is. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.960 Let's go that's kind of accurate. Actually today this is 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.559 really something. So I think of how much trauma of 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.520 my childhood was, how much I was policed and home 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.920 monitored as a kid because I was a bad kid. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.920 But now, this is how the Republicans in Texas are 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.680 behaving towards democh product representatives. Is they want them to 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.600 get basically like whole passes to move around, and they 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.480 want them to have police escorts so they can't leave 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.399 the state. Because they really want to do this, stupid 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.640 Jerrymander that's going to really fuck them over. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.920 Yes, Okay, So here's the thing. Republicans in Texas are 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.360 stealing five seats in Congress. And they're doing this because 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.280 Donald Trump asked them to and because Governor Abbot thinks 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.880 that he can run for president. I mean, that's really 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.160 what this is. Okay. Governor Abbot is a Republican. He 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.319 knows the only way to inherit Maga is with the 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.200 blessing of Donald Trump. He thinks that somehow he will 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.800 become the inheritor of Maga, and so he is giving 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.000 Donald Trump five seats in Congress. Now, let me explain 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.160 to you why this is insane. Okay, mid decade redistricting 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.960 is almost unprecedented. Right, we have a census. The census 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.760 tells you what the numbers are, gives you the number 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.120 of congressional seats. There's redistricting around this. What happened here 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.920 was literally Donald Trump was like, I cannot lose the 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.720 House because then there'll be some accountability. I cannot have 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.720 any accountability because I'm having too good a time right now, airgo, 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.520 you have to make sure I keep the House. Democrats 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.120 did the only thing that they could possibly do because 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.639 they do not control state legislature, and they left right 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.359 that Texas has a thing where you can deny a 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.600 quorum if you leave this date. Now the special session 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.200 is over, it's August nineteenth. They came back. They're going 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.480 to fight it in another way. Do I think it's 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.280 the right move. No. I think they should have just 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.000 stayed out of the state until November. I think that 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.800 would have prevented this, and it would have made time 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.960 for Republicans to realize that a lot of them are 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.200 going to get jerry mandered out of their seats if 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.280 this if we open the door to this, but I 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.720 think it's too late. So now Republicans are going to 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:55.080 go along with stealing these five seats. One Democrat, Representative 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.480 Collier of District ninety five and Fort Worth, has refused 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.240 to sign these permission slips, and so she is going 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.160 to sit in the chamber. I understand that all of 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:10.280 this seems stupid to Trumpers, to people who are cynical, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.799 but the reality is the only way we're going to 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.880 say survive this period is if people do brave shit 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.360 like this. Okay, if they say no, I'm not going 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.519 to do that if they say no. And so as 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.079 much as you may not like Representative Collier, this is 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.519 extremely important to do things like this. You know, this 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.640 is like a terrible moment in American life where things 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.760 are really fucking scary and she just says, I'll just 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.400 sit here. I don't know. I guess I'll wait till Wednesday. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.200 So good for her, and we should support people who 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.520 are being brave, because most people are being fucking cowards. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.520 Yeah. When I think of though, there's this weird gray 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.680 area where you're like, what the fuck is going on 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.720 with something? So a few weeks ago, Dan Bongino, no 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.360 friend of ours, kind of let it rip that like 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.200 he was pretty disturbed by what he saw on the 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.240 Epstein files, and it seems he might be on the 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.200 way out at the FBI. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.800 Wait you think Bongino is not going to last at 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:10.440 the FBI. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.680 I have to tell you one of the things, like 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.400 when we're always deciphering between the bullshit artists and the 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.400 true believers, there is this like weird thing that he 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.960 has like a little bit of both in him, Like 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.240 you know, he'll grift you for protein shake, but he'll 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.240 also really seems seems like his anger towards things fuels him. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.880 And I will tell you I bought that he was 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.960 a little shook by the Epstein files. It seems a 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.280 lot of the reporting has set up. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.800 Or he just makes a lot more money doing the podcast. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.279 Well, I mean that can be. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.360 I mean, I would love to ascribe meaning to Dan 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.360 Bongino's temper tantrums, but I just what there is math. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.640 There is a thing called math. He has more power 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.719 and makes more money doing the podcast than sitting in 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.320 an office. So but either way, who are we to 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.560 cast aspersions at Dan Bongino? He may very I'll be 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.599 on his way out. We are thrilled to welcome Andrew 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.600 Bailey as co Deputy Director of the FBI. Bondie told 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.840 state run media Fox News Digital he has served as 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:16.520 Distinguished date Attorney General and also another Trump Lackie. Congratulations 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.080 to all who celebrate, it's going. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:18.479 To be great. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:23.200 Speaking of unsympathetic characters, at least the phonic just the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.520 goal to show her space in public. She's thinking about 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.000 trying her Hannah as running for governor, which is really 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.880 going to go great considering at this appearance, I've heard 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.240 a lot of booze before, sometimes even when I've been 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:36.560 on stage, but nothing like. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.800 This Marry Christmas. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.320 In fact, I think I was once booed for, say 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.000 a joke about who she's going to run against for governor. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.599 At least Dephonic. I think I was there for that, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.680 Yes you were. It was drowned out by relentless booze 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.240 when she's spoken a Memorial Day event on Monday. Now 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.560 she's not in New York, she's not in Brooklyn, she's 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.760 in Plattsburgh. When she gets booed. All right, I want 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.400 to say two things about this. One least Devonic thinks 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.880 she's going to be governor next year of New York State. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.400 But Lee Stevonic may also get Jerry Mander out of 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:14.480 her seat because since Texas stole five congressional seats, there's 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.800 a very likely scenario where New York I mean, Cuomo 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.720 did set it up so they couldn't have partisan redistricting 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.520 and put a GOP judge on that panel. But there 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.280 is a world where if Hochel is worth anything, which 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.520 I'm not convince she is, but if she is, she 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.440 will redistrict those five seats, and my man Aleis Stevonic 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.680 will neither be governor nor a member of Congress. I 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.919 for one, would love to see it the same. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.600 So this is really exactly that. You know, often we're 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:46.200 saying we. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:51.280 Particularly other shouted trader and go home, and some attendees 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.880 yelled a Nazi. You don't want to be called the 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.960 nazi anyway. Continue. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.720 Yes, So a lot of the time we're discussing things 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.839 for twenty twenty five that came true. But this is 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.120 the type of thing that wasn't quite in there to 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.159 my memory at least. But I was like, this is 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.880 definitely gonna happen. Citizenship reviews now ask immigrants to show 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.760 positive contributions to the. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.440 US, positive contributions right. Like, By the way, I'm so 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.000 angry about this because I've just you know, I have 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.680 so many friends who live in DC who have been 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.840 telling me about these horror stories about what has happened 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.160 under federalized DC, which is basically, there are a lot 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.920 of fat guys wearing vests that say police, and they 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.520 are chasing around anyone who's brown and who looks like 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.280 they're Hispanic, and they are chasing them down the streets 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.520 and beating them up and sending them in unmarked cars 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.240 to go to detention facilities to maybe get deported to 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.920 their own country and maybe get deported to Sudan where 0:07:54.920 --> 0:08:00.200 they will die. This is so the idea that a 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.640 good moral character, like good moral character starts at home. Man, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.600 we are not showing good and moral character. We are 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.000 in a country now where there is a militarized group 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.160 that has billions of dollars, that has no accountability, that 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.360 does not show its badge, that will not tell you 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.080 their name, that are plucking people off the street because 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.520 of the way they look. Like a year ago, this 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.280 would have been unprecedented. So if you're listening to this 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.720 like this is not okay, like none of this is okay, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.760 we are in unprecedented moment in American life. And by 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:42.280 the way, good moral character begins at home. Josh Marshall 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.080 is the editor of Talking Points Memo. Josh Marshall, thank 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.800 you for coming on too fast politics. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:49.920 I always love it here. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.240 I was really mean, but it's because it's my birthday, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:58.000 and also because Ice has arrested my friend's brother and 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.080 he is now waiting. He just disappeared and now they're 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.880 trying to figure out if he's going to be deported 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.120 to his native country or is he going to be 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.480 deported to Sudan? 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.199 Wow, that's heavy, so. 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.080 He can die there? That is people in DC, because 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.880 DC has become federalized. And that means now that all 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.679 of the really scary people who Donald Trump has made 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:27.560 his militia are targeting anyone who looks like they are 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:28.280 not white. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.760 You know, the thing with the Sudan thing. I've watched 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.520 that closely. But my impression at least is that, you know, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.160 they're deporting tons and tons of people, and my impression 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.440 at least is that it's a pretty small subset that 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.720 is being deported to Sudan. But I haven't had a 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:49.400 sense of, you know, what the basis of that subset is, right, Like, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.280 is it who do they pick? I assume it's something 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.079 to do with obviously they're from countries where there may 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.240 be some legal impediment or something like that. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.480 But I don't have a But that sounds horrific. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.920 I mean, it sounds horrific to be deported to any 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.000 country that you've never been to before. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.280 Yeah, But I also think and I want to talk 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.679 about this for a minute because I think it's so important. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:17.240 Like we've seen these photos of these ice skies chasing 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.840 you know, the uber drivers, you know, the food delivery guys, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.880 the deporting, the lady who worked at the nail salon. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.160 You know, people been here twenty thirty, forty years. People 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.720 have been here as long as we have. Right, what's 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.000 the goal here? Because Americans have had the opportunities to 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.160 do these jobs and they have not wanted to. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.080 Yeah, and it's not like when certainly when I was 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.480 much younger, and probably when you were two. You know, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.680 there have been times where you know, and certainly during 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.360 you know, briefly during the Great Recession, where you have 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.680 unemployment approaches double digits. Right, we've basically been in a 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:00.559 full employment economy as economists define it for a number 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.600 of years, you know, under five percent. So kind of 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.320 by definition, there's nobody else who wants to do this 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.000 job because everybody's got a job. Now, we know, obviously 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.200 some people don't have a job, but when you talk 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.800 about this gets into the technical economics of it, there 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.960 are not other people who want this job who are 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:18.560 not doing it. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.520 And when you talk about the goal, I think people. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.440 For understandable reasons, don't like analogies or kind of blanched 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.559 analogies go back to the Third Reich and the imposition 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.720 of Hitler's dictatorship. One of the things that happened during it, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.320 A political scientist have a name for this, I can't 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.319 remember it exactly, is that it was fairly disorganized in 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.480 a lot of ways, and Hitler had a system where 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.920 he kind of relied on people to you know, be 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.960 self starters and kind of do stuff on their own, 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.920 people in the state in governmental positions to sort of 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.679 compete with each other to achieve his aims. And there 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.200 is at least something like that going on with Trump 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.960 in the sense that when you say, you know, what 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.440 is the point here, well, well, clearly one of the 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.400 points here is that Stephen Miller like literally went over 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.680 to Ice, went over to DHS and said, I want 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.199 three thousand people a day taken into custody and put 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.920 into the system for deportation. Now, there's clearly a lot 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.040 of people in Ice who want to be nasty people, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.400 and there's a lot of polalization of Ice, but that 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.760 clearly created a situation where you've got to go where 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.080 the numbers are, and the numbers are people who are 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.880 living law abiding lives and just kind of where you 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.439 think they are, because they're basically long standing residents in 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.800 the United States, and they show up for their immigration hearings, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.400 and they show up for their job. And that's why 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.520 you have this thing of just you know, kind of 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.559 regular people kind of doing their jobs and I shows 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.920 up and grabs them. And you know, the woman who 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.400 worked at your nail slan, she's not there with like 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.280 an ak right now. She's going to fight them off 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.400 right when they come. These are by definition, fairly pliant people. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.920 So that's part of it. But you know, you have 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.240 this mix of people who want to deport a lot 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:00.520 of people for sort of ideological and racial reasons. Also 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.080 have a lot of people who want to punish people. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.760 They want to see those pictures of terrified families and everything. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.079 So you have all these kind of things going together. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.000 But you know, one of the things about the Trump 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:17.040 system is that you usually have that kind of you know, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.079 chaos and disorganization, and some of that is that these 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.040 aren't terribly competent or often very smart people. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.280 Are you saying they're not sending their. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.040 Best, They are not sending their well, they are sending 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.280 their best, they don't their best are not that good. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.280 I think, yes, it's the way to put it. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.439 But another dimension of sort of trump Ism is they 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.440 don't like bureaucracy. They don't like people like, oh, you've 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.360 been here for thirty years, you know how to make 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.440 this system run. Get the fuck out of here. But 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.200 what that means is you have this system where it's 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.520 all kind of at the whim of the top guy. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.280 So all these things kind of flow together and create 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.760 this system with a lot of sort of predatory behavior 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.880 and malicious behavior and not only hurting people because you 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.120 kind of can't not hurt people if you're trying to 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.680 arrest three thousand people a day. But because hurting people, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.880 as our Fred Sewer says it, you know, is the point. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.120 Cruelty is the point. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.600 Let's talk about Donald Trump's triumphant meeting with all of 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.520 the heads of Europe. You know, you're in great shape 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.920 when all of the heads of Europe, every single one 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.040 comes to Washington. They don't have anything else to do 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:29.000 to try to get Trump not to be putin's stoode. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.240 Yeah. Well it's sort of like you know, you know, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.320 you know the shape you're in by who shows up 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:36.160 at your intervention. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.640 Yes, yeah, right, you know you know, you caught your 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.240 first year college roommate is there and you're like, wow, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:46.760 thread here real. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.600 Yeah, no, I mean, you know, it's so funny because 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.520 it's like, I'm old enough to remember when Georgia Maloney 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.760 was the biggest outlier. Right, She's part of this neo 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.720 fascist Yeah, so one of the bad guys, right, one 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.840 of the bad guys coming to Washington to beg Donald 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.320 Trump not to get rolled by Vladimir Putin. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.880 Yeah, you're too You're too far gone here, dude, it's 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.560 too much. It's more than I can accept. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:16.080 Yeah. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.560 I like the White House. There's a podcast I listen 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.080 to that is very access see and the woman on 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.560 it was like, wow, the White House didn't have huge 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.200 plans for the Alaska summit. Oh okay, they didn't. They 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.600 just oh okay, they just went to Alaska because they 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.040 just want to hang out with Putin. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.760 Yeah, the whole thing is pretty you know. On the 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.120 other hand, there was this weird thing of like, you know, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.800 they did it in Alaska where you can basically be 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.280 sure that if you're not on the plane on the 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.239 you know, the traveling White House press love Alaska. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.120 But it's not a big media State, right. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.840 I mean, it's certainly not on the Air Force base 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.800 where we have our sort of strategic bombers or whatever. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.440 And they did it on what in the you know, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:57.080 on the east. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.520 Coast in the US is going to be you know, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.440 kind of late Friday after the hottest August day of 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.840 the year kind of thing. So there's all kinds of 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.800 kind of weird like it that is kind of how 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.240 you'd kill a story. So I don't know quite what 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.880 that was about. But you know, Donald Trump doesn't do things. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.520 He doesn't do things like lo fi, Like you're not 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.440 going to hear like thirty years from like oh yeah, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.360 he used to go over to soup kitchen and like 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.000 serve stuff. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:20.960 But no, he didn't tell me. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.240 You'd never get it. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.880 He did that every Thursday evening, but he never you know, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:25.760 step out. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.280 Yeah, yeah, you're never going to find out he was 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.560 serving homeless people in soup kitchen. But I want you 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.120 to talk about this for a second, because I'm very 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.280 suspicious about this Alaska summit. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.280 I think as you should be. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.320 Yeah, yeah, and I think that this was completely about 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.880 trying to kill the Epstein story and not about anything else, right, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.160 Like this whole idea is like, and I'm going to 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.920 win a Nobel Peace Prize, and so I'm going to 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.080 have all of these countries, these leaders from countries that 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.360 are warring, and they're going to come in. And the 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.280 timing of this is just when the Magabas is fighting 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.720 about Ebstein. But that's probably just a coincidence. I mean, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.199 if you think about Trump, right, he's sitting there and 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.879 he's going like it's August, which is the deadest time. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.600 So the House is out, the Senate is out, I 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.320 can't try to do anything insane legislative way. I can 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.840 send the National Guard into Washington, DC, which is painful 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.960 and horrible and fun, but then there's nothing else to distract. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.399 So you could see where this would just work. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:27.840 It's definitely possible. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.240 I mean, I I have lost it's so easy to 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.960 lose track of the forward pace of time and when 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:35.719 happened or when another thing happened. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.080 But it was certainly my impression. It wasn't like we 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:38.800 knew in June. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.280 Oh yeah, there's the there's the August summit, right, they 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.120 just announced that on a pretty short notice. The thing 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.800 is with him is, as we know, these publicity events, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.320 it's always hard to know, like why did he do this, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.399 you know, kind of publicity event. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.719 It's sort of like, why is a crack addict smoking 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:57.440 crack this time? 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.200 Because they're yeah, yeah, yeah, that. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.320 Is really the primary reason. And he's addicted to publicity. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.800 He's addicted to chaotic and kinetic moments where he is 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.159 the center of attention and his actions have everybody is 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.760 reacting to his actions. So some of it is just that. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.560 But yeah, I mean they're trying to and to a 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.000 certain extent, it seems like they've maybe kind of achieved 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.080 it with at least moment, at least for now at 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.760 the epscene stuff. It's not you know, there's not she 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.640 hasn't been moved from one prison to another recently, or. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.720 I mean she's she already got to the better prison. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.600 But yes, yeah, well she I mean I assume there's 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.560 you could be transferred to like Tahiti, you know, I mean, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:39.960 you can the sky's the limit. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.160 But yeah, it's hard to tell. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.320 But again, it's sort of like, why is this crack 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.240 addict smoking crack because he's addicted to crack? 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.600 Yeah, I think that's right. I just think like all 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.560 of this timing is kind of suspicious. So Trump said 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.320 that there's some security guarantees. I mean, this is all 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.400 ridiculous because we know what Putin's going to do. Putin's 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.439 going to run right through this. And I mean, has 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.080 he even stopped bombing Ukraine? He's still bombing Ukraine. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.360 No, I don't, there's no there's no stop in. I mean, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.960 everything has continued, and this is I think, what is 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.000 I mean the irony of I was I think I 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.720 posted maybe on Blue Sky about you know, the sort 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.159 of the latest addition of how much gold shlock he 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.240 has in the in the in the you know, in 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.479 the Oval office. But it was actually a picture of 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.720 his meeting with Zelenski, and I was looking at it 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.560 and thinking, like, I hate to say it, but like 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.520 this went better than the last meeting with Zelenski at least, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.760 I mean, you know, they're kind of buds now sort 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.280 of maybe, you know, or at least at least to the 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.520 extent he's not humiliating him. And the reason that that 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:43.320 happened is that Trump clearly did get irritated that when 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.920 Trump made clear that at least stopping the fighting, if 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.399 not bringing a treaty or a truce or something was 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.639 his goal. He felt he needed that, he wanted it 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.399 that Pudin responded by upping the ante. It's not like 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.959 he'd been holding back but doing more. You know, the 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.080 real action is over there in the east where you're 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.920 trying to take territory. But they also do things with 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.960 They just throw a lot of missiles at Kiev or 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.920 something like that, and so he's upping the anti kind 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.520 of humiliating Trump, and that whole thing. 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:11.639 Just remains, you know. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.960 I was thinking last night that I think Iowa was 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.639 one of the first people back in twenty sixteen to 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.479