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Speaker 2: He's dropping five hundred pound bombs on the city because

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Speaker 2: by that time, his philosophy is, if we just kill everybody,

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Speaker 2: we don't have a revolution.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Journalista Podcast. I'm Steve Vestev, your host.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about Nicaragua and the events that

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Speaker 1: make Cookie who she became, and I mentioned that she

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Speaker 1: always seemed to be at the crossroads of history. But

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Speaker 1: the story you're about to hear is absolutely insane, a

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Speaker 1: dangerous secret that most of her friends and her news

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Speaker 1: colleagues never knew. Yes, everybody knows she partied, but did

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Speaker 1: they know she parted with Pablo Escobar? Okay, so all

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Speaker 1: this shit's going down, and Nicaragua's changing, and all these

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Speaker 1: things are happening, but you're not You're not there. Where

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I am in New York City, I'm modeling, I'm having

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Speaker 2: a very successful career and partying.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, where did you like to go fifty four?

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Speaker 2: Of course, this was a club that you had to

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Speaker 2: book a certain way and obviously have a certain lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: And in fifty four they had the dance floor, the bars,

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Speaker 2: But then downstairs was the Special Room, and that's where

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Speaker 2: VIPs were doing all kinds of drugs, crazy things. At

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Speaker 2: any given night, you could be with David Bowie, Calvin Klein.

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Speaker 2: And one of my best friends was a celebrity, Bianca Jagger.

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Speaker 3: Mick Jagger's wife was She from Nicaragua.

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Speaker 2: From Nicaragua, That's where I knew her from. She took

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Speaker 2: me with her and we went on the whole tour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you do.

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Speaker 3: Rules.

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Speaker 2: I took a quick trip to Miami and ran into

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Speaker 2: an old childhood friend, Gino, and we hooked up.

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Speaker 3: I never went back.

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Speaker 2: What I didn't know is that he was already deep

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Speaker 2: in the game, the drug game, part of the mede

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Speaker 2: ying Columbia cartel.

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Speaker 1: What was his job? What would you say?

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Speaker 2: He did fly to Colombia, you know, meet with the

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Speaker 2: big wigs, place the orders, have the orders shipped. There

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Speaker 2: were many different ways of getting product here to the

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Speaker 2: United States. And then once here we had his slew

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Speaker 2: of clients that he would sell to in bulk. He

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Speaker 2: didn't have to get his hands dirty, but he liked to.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would tell him, why are you, you know,

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Speaker 2: hanging out with these low level drug dealers? You know,

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Speaker 2: We'd be in my home, I'd open up a closet

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Speaker 2: and kilos would fall out, and I'm like, why is

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Speaker 2: this even in our home? Get a safe house, do

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Speaker 2: things differently. No, he just never thought anything would ever

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Speaker 2: happen to him, which every criminal thinks at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: They're different, They're never going to get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever go to Columbia?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I was smart, never never got my hands dirty. I

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Speaker 2: was just having fun at the parties and the shady

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Speaker 3: Pablo Escobar, what was he like?

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Speaker 1: Just one on one at the.

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Speaker 2: Time, we only called him ilhefe the boss, and he

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Speaker 2: wasn't Pablo Escobar like everyone knows him now. He was

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Speaker 2: kind of quiet. Sometimes he would get a little boisterous.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't a very book smart guy. He was It's interesting,

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Speaker 2: just like when you're doing blow the co crap and

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Speaker 1: When Cookie meets Pablo Escobar. He's not yet a household name.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a Netflix series about his life or

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Speaker 1: even much of a criminal profile. He had a mansion

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Speaker 1: lots of it. At his peak, he was making four

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars a week, and his net

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Speaker 1: worth was estimated at more than thirty billion, making him,

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, the wealthiest person in the world. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to measure since it was all illegal and

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Speaker 1: much of it was smuggled through Nicaragua. That's where Chino

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Speaker 1: and his partners come in. You told me once that

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Speaker 3: I was Missus Scarface.

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Speaker 2: When you have that much product and that much money,

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Speaker 1: When you were with Chino in that time period, did

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Speaker 2: Well, I was the one calling the shots because he

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Speaker 2: that if he started doing blow, he started to drink

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like managing a multi million dollar.

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Speaker 2: Corporation given my two cents, which once he was drunk

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Speaker 2: other people in the game, they would listen to me.

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Speaker 2: Because they knew that what I was saying made.

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Speaker 1: Sense in those days when you were rolling with Chino

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Speaker 1: and those guys. But did you ever run up against

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Speaker 1: any you know, bullshit, anything bad that was happening you.

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Speaker 2: Mean with the cartel guys.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's put it to you this way. These cartel guys

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Speaker 2: were my friends. Obviously I must have had an inkling

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Speaker 2: of what kind of people they were, what they were

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Speaker 2: amounts of blood, it was pretty standard friendship relationships.

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Speaker 1: Well, you talk about having a seat at the table,

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Speaker 1: did that ever go wrong?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a local girl from New Orleans. I

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Speaker 2: would always insist to Chino and to others, You've got

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Speaker 2: the whole country to do business in. Please don't go

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Speaker 2: to New Orleans, and please don't go to Louisiana. That's

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Speaker 2: where I'm from. My dad is very well known, my

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Speaker 2: family is a prominent family there. Can we just leave

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Speaker 2: my stomping grounds out of the business. And for the

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Speaker 2: most part, Gino would listen, But as soon as he'd

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Speaker 2: start having a cocktail or two and then doing blow all,

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Speaker 2: you know, rational thinking went out the window. I had

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Speaker 2: heard that they were going to do some sort of

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Speaker 2: from New Orleans, and he was going to come back

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Speaker 2: to New Orleans with the product. And his connection was

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Speaker 1: So basically they're doing a drug deal, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, and I begged them don't do it. So sure enough,

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about a big chunk of product?

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Speaker 2: Big chunk of product? Not only my local friend got popped,

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Speaker 2: but the son of the top government official got popped

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Speaker 2: private investigation so he could save his son's future, get

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Speaker 2: this guy. We're not only going to get rid of

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Speaker 2: of his father. I could see some people at the

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Speaker 2: and I'm just saying, if you do this, this could

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Speaker 2: I got so upset. I stood up and I said,

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Speaker 2: And at that point I turned to Pablo and he

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Speaker 2: it says, you know you should be running this show,

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Speaker 2: to which I replied, I am.

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Speaker 1: Were you aware of the DEA the FBI?

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Speaker 2: All, Oh, yes, immensely. I mean we had all these gadgets,

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Speaker 1: So you had the highest tech that could be had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And security in our homes, you know, because we

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Speaker 2: had several homes, you know, one in Miami, one in

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Speaker 2: La what is San Francisco. We had boats, racing cars,

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Speaker 2: we had race horses, we had everything. As much as

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Speaker 1: Because the money was gonna come anyway.

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Speaker 2: Always you could lose it, throw it away, flush it down,

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Speaker 2: next day. He would get a car Mercedes, bring it

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Speaker 2: The money was just never ending. I remember that my

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Speaker 2: I please. There were always suitcases full of cash. There

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Speaker 2: emeralds and pills and you never knew what was coming.

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Speaker 1: Was there danger constant? So you get pregnant? Was that

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Speaker 2: It wasn't, because I just said, I can't bring a

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Speaker 2: I remember once in Beverly Hills somebody coming up to

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Speaker 1: For the record, her baby boy was born healthy and happy.

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Speaker 1: So you guys decided to get married.

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Speaker 2: What we did was we were planning a wedding at

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Speaker 2: Nordman Manessas.

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Speaker 1: I have to stop here as if this story isn't

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Speaker 1: create enough. Norway Manessas, Cookie's husband Chino and another friend

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Speaker 1: from Nicaragua, Danilo Blandon, were the guys smuggling cocaine into

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Speaker 1: the US for Pablo Escobar and the Median cartel. Cookie

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Speaker 1: was aware of that and definitely enjoying the party. But

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Speaker 1: these guys would become very famous a few years later

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Speaker 1: when they made a deal with the CIA to introduce

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Speaker 1: crack cocaine into south central Los Angeles through a local

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Speaker 5: Ricky Ross, facing life in prison, LA's biggest crack dealer

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Speaker 5: now is saying he was a pawn in a CIA plot,

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Speaker 5: and his argument was convincing enough that a federal judge

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Speaker 5: postponed sentencing to consider evidence that he's a name supplier,

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Speaker 5: was an agency operator.

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Speaker 6: You know, his whole intentions was for me to make

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Speaker 1: The more money I made, the more money he made,

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Speaker 1: and I guess the more money that he would have

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Speaker 1: to help sponsor the war. FX made a television series

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Speaker 1: called Snowfall based on some of that story.

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Speaker 7: I on America accusations underscore the word accusations that are

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Speaker 7: nothing short of explosives. They are that the CIA knowingly

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Speaker 7: and intentionally did what amount to pump crack cocaine into

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Speaker 7: Los Angeles to help fund rebels in Nicaragua. The Justice

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Speaker 7: Department in Congress are investigating, and so is CBS newsed it.

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Speaker 1: detailing the connection between the CIA, the sale of crack cocaine,

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Speaker 8: Did the CIA put drugs into the black community.

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Speaker 4: We don't have any evidence so far that they did

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Speaker 1: Do that with the knowledge of the CIA. That's the

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Speaker 4: I mean, what we know is that these guys were

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Speaker 4: What happens from there is sort of where we ran

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Speaker 1: The CIA and the mainstream media went after him, eventually

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Speaker 1: destroying his career. He died from two gun shots to

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Speaker 1: Corre Pecto alescando alescandal, narco politico chemist tempro mo. In

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Speaker 1: this interview from a prison in Nicaragua, Norma Manessas blames

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Speaker 1: the whole scandal on the Democrats trying to use narco

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Speaker 1: he's innocent of all accusations and then no charges him

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Speaker 1: in filed canac I'm Presidentao Cargo for Romales in Miicontra.

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Speaker 1: Cookie wasn't part of any of that. In fact, she

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Speaker 1: Norwen Maness is a someone she has known since childhood

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Speaker 1: Back to her wedding. So you were married in Norway's home.

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Speaker 2: In Norwen's home. He was going to be the one

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Speaker 2: that walked me down the aisle. Chapito d As from

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Speaker 2: Royce Pablo gave me half a pound of cocaine for

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Speaker 1: Did Pablo come or do you just send me there? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Of course everyone's starting to party immediately. My husband, Richino,

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Speaker 2: But elegant hippie shit. Finally, when we get ready to

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Speaker 1: So you're eight months pregnant, you're walked down the aisle

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Speaker 1: by Norman Manessa's the best man.

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Speaker 3: Is the the bongo player of said tad bongo player.

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Speaker 3: First from Nicaragua.

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Speaker 1: It's from Nicarago, okay. And you have a non denominational minister.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to decide if this is a movie,

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Speaker 2: I went on the honeymoon by myself because Gino, as

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Speaker 1: Were you pissed off at him?

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Speaker 2: Not really annoyed?

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Speaker 1: Maybe back in Nicaragua, another journalist is murdered. This time

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Speaker 1: it's an American. We'll be right back, welcome back. Journalism

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Speaker 1: can be a very dangerous business, especially during war. I

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Speaker 1: want to warn you this segment contains graphic descriptions of

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Speaker 1: Cookie was playing Missus Scarface, partying her ass off and

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Speaker 1: trying to stay one step ahead of the Dea in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, her beloved Nicaragua was exploding. The dictator Anastasio

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Speaker 1: Simosa is at war with his own people.

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Speaker 8: Firing rockets to soften up antigovernment forces for ground troops.

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Speaker 8: The Nicaragua National Guard wants a major assault in Monagua

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Speaker 8: to retake poor neighborhoods or barrios held by the Gorillas.

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Speaker 2: He's dropping five hundred pound bombs on the city because

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Speaker 2: by that time his philosophy is if we just kill everybody,

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Speaker 2: we don't have a revolution.

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Speaker 1: Professor Wolf from Tulane University describes it like this.

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Speaker 9: Not pinpointed bombs, not bombs that are just killing Santinistas.

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Speaker 9: They're just killing residents of the town, many of whom

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Speaker 9: are strong Santinissa support us, but they're just everyday people.

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Speaker 9: If you need to bomb your own people, you are

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Speaker 9: That is the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 2: Already, kids and men are being stopped. Roll up your sleeve,

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Speaker 9: The press is becoming increasingly interested. I think that the

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Speaker 9: When they're killing journalists, things are going badly. Something is happening.

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Speaker 3: At this point.

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Speaker 2: The networks are down there, International journalists are there, and

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Speaker 2: who even themselves knew that they would never win. Somosa

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Speaker 2: is now feeding amphetamines to all the Samosa guardsmen to

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Speaker 2: keep them up night and day. They're jittery. They're killing indiscriminately.

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Speaker 8: This morning in Managua, after some of the heaviest fighting

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Speaker 8: National guardsmen were friendly at the first checkpoint, In fact,

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Speaker 8: they were eager to talk and try to disprove reports

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Speaker 8: the attitude among the soldiers was entirely different from what

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Speaker 2: A future driver of mine is driving the vehicle. There's

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Speaker 1: And Bill Stewart is a person that Americans were used

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Speaker 1: to seeing in their evening news.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he covered wars.

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Speaker 1: He was at Vietnam, and eat he covered wars.

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Speaker 3: He was a well known journalist.

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Speaker 1: Well well thought of. Yeah, a pro in every way.

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Speaker 2: Roadblocks are an everyday occurrence. So the ABC crew gets

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Speaker 3: The soldiers like he's done a one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred times in many different battle situations, and the translator

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Speaker 1: In the news van. The cameraman turns on his camera

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Speaker 2: The Samosa guardsmen had been up for weeks with these amphetamines,

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Speaker 8: Bill showed he was unarmed and presented his press identification. Still,

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Speaker 8: he was forced to kneel and then lie down on

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Speaker 2: One of the soldiers thinks he recognizes the translator he

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Speaker 8: Bill showed he was unarmed and presented his press identification. Still,

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Speaker 2: The camera crew is still filming. They're looking at what's happening,

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Speaker 2: as is the driver who warned Bill Stewart not to

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Speaker 2: He doesn't even know that the camera crew filmed it.

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Speaker 2: The camera crew at this point doesn't even care that

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Speaker 1: The ABC sound man Jim Cephalou describes them ament, they.

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Speaker 6: Had us get out shore identification. While we were out,

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Speaker 2: So the driver, Pablo Pablo, with no fear at all,

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Speaker 2: goes up to these guys and said, damn, y'all made

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Speaker 1: Side, lying his ass off.

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Speaker 2: Lying his ass off, not just to save his life,

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Speaker 1: Balls of stone right there.

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Speaker 2: But look, I'm gonna make a deal with y'all. What

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Speaker 2: Just let us go, you know, We'll go straight back

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Speaker 1: We got back into the van.

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Speaker 6: The driver asked if we wanted to take bills by

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Speaker 6: I backed up, put Bill's body in the van, came

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Speaker 1: Chuck Gomez, a young CBS correspondent, was at the hotel

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Speaker 10: When Bill Stewart's body arrived at the Intercontinental Hotel, there

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Speaker 10: was a mixture of incredible sadness and sorrow and also

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Speaker 10: incredible fear. We didn't know at that moment if journalists

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Speaker 10: were being specifically targeted, for example, as Somosa himself had

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Speaker 10: they were on patrols for days on end. We were

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Speaker 2: It was the first time that a network had the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, Washington Post.

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Speaker 3: They were all there, to BBC and some of.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to make sure it got out. They didn't

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Speaker 2: before Samosa and these people realized what had happened and

439
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: the video got out.

440
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 8: ABC News correspondent Bil Stewart, thirty seven years old, was

441
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 8: killed today in Nicaragua.

442
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I saw that footage in a

443
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite broadcast and he showed the entire thing in total,

444
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: every networked and no one ever showed anything like that,

445
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: no one.

446
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: You could see the body.

447
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see it, and it was horrific.

448
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: The journalists that were in Nicaragua decided, we can't take

449
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: this anymore. We're boycotting this. It didn't bother the US

450
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: government tomorrow had been assassinated. That up until that point,

451
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: fifty thousand innocent and maybe some not so innocent revolutionaries

452
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: had been murdered. That didn't matter. But one American journalist

453
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: being killed. That mattered, and that's what turned the tide.

454
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: The public was outraged at that point. The US government

455
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: made the decision we can no longer back Simosa.

456
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: President Carter said this when he heard the news. The

457
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: murder of Bill Stewart was an act of barber that

458
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: all civilized people condemned. Within a month, some Mosa flees

459
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: to Florida and the dictatorship falls, but not before looting Nicaragua.

460
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: After he left. The San Denis has found less than

461
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: two million dollars in the national treasury. Samosa is denied

462
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: asylum by President Carter and takes refuge in Paraguay. Only

463
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: one year later, he's assassinated by a Sandinista commando team

464
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: four men and three women. The mission was called Operation

465
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: Reptile seems appropriate. According to Reporters Without Borders, nearly seventeen

466
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: hundred journalists have been killed in the last twenty years

467
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: in some conflicts that are actually targeted, and in the

468
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: last few years, some despicable politicians in the United States

469
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: have actually encouraged violence against news reporters covering elections. It

470
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: was no different in Central America in the seventies and eighties.

471
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: Carla Ferrell, for news producer stationed in Nicaragua and El

472
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: Salvador and other war zones in the region, describes the

473
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: life of wartime journalists this way.

474
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 11: You didn't do that kind of work unless you thought

475
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 11: you were invincible, which in some ways doesn't make much sense,

476
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 11: because all of us, pretty much all of us went

477
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 11: through losing colleagues or spouses, family members. But somehow, no, no,

478
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 11: that could never happen to us.

479
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Against all odds, the Sandinistas have won the revolution. The

480
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Nicaraguan people are celebrating, But Cookie was looking for her

481
00:28:46,040 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: own Revolution. We'll be back in a minute. Welcome back.

482
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: The last time we saw Cookie, she was eight months pregnant,

483
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: a newlywed and hanging out with Pablo Escobar Nicaragua. Is

484
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: having a rebirth a Cookie. He was just having a

485
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: berth What could go wrong? But where the hell is Chino?

486
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: That was crazy because the night that night was a

487
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: half hour night.

488
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 10: You know.

489
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: We called him the half hour guy. You know. He says,

490
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: I'll be back in half an hour, and that half

491
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: hour could be a week to four months. I start

492
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: having contractions and going into labor at dawn. He shows

493
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: up at six seven in the morning, completely high and

494
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: drunk and passes out. And I got to get to

495
00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: the hospital. I'm, you know, way him up. He can't drive,

496
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: so we jump in the car. I'm driving and having

497
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: to pull off on the expressway every time a contraction

498
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: would hit, you know, and I'm yelling at him in

499
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: the back seat, you stupid motherfucker. Now I knew this

500
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: was gonna happen.

501
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: I knew it.

502
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: We get to the hospital, I'm screaming, get this motherfucking

503
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: kid out of me. It's a Catholic hospital and the

504
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: nuns are trying to quiet me down, Can you please

505
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: use different language. I don't give a fuck what's going on.

506
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: I need to get this kid out. I was asking

507
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: for the last rites, asking for a priest she knows

508
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 2: passed out. And he did go in to see the

509
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: birth and proceeded to just faint when he saw what

510
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: he saw. So they had to attend to him and

511
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: not to me. So and we got the rolling stones

512
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: playing high in the delivery room. Yeah it was.

513
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: It was a trip.

514
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: And now you have this beautiful boy.

515
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it was worth it.

516
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: He's your best friend now.

517
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: He always was my best friend. He was my partner

518
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: in crime and my best friend.

519
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: Happy times for Cookie and China. But the thug life

520
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: is starting to get to her.

521
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Well. It started slowly for me. At first, nothing bothered me.

522
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared of anything. And then it just slowly.

523
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'd open up a closet and kilos would

524
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: fall out. You know, there'd be a box I'd open

525
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: it was filled with a million dollars in cash, And

526
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: so slowly I started to get paranoid. It was so

527
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: slow that I didn't know that it was happening. It

528
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: would present itself as soon as I would start partying,

529
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: I would do a line. I'd be fine. I'd do

530
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: a second line, I'd be fine. By the third or

531
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: fourth line, the paranoia would creep in. And the reason

532
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: that happened it wasn't just because of the amounts and

533
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: the quantities of everything. It was because no one else

534
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: was paranoid. No one else was being careful, because again

535
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: you're dealing with Latin American people that have no conception

536
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: of the law in the United States. So it was

537
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: almost like I was having to be paranoid for everyone,

538
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: not just myself. Every day it was like, this is

539
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: the day, this is the day. They're here, They're coming,

540
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: They're coming to get me. Every single day was like that,

541
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: and so I just needed to get out.

542
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're beset by paranoia. Yeah, yeah, it's starting

543
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: to get to you.

544
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: It's starting to get to me.

545
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Is there a moment that you can recall that you said,

546
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I got to get the fuck out of here.

547
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Yes.

548
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: My mother got sick, she got cancer, and she was

549
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: here in New Orleans. I remember saying to my husband, Tochino, listen,

550
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: I gotta go visit my I don't think my intention

551
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: was to leave and never come back, because that would

552
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: have never been part of my mo my playbook. I

553
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: had to come back to get more blow, but I

554
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: remember telling him that I was going to leave. I

555
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: grabbed all my first editions, all my jewelry, all my furs,

556
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: I think a million in cash packed it took my baby,

557
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: he was six months old. I think came back to

558
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: New Orleans under the guise of taking care of my mom,

559
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: moving back home with a mother and father that knew

560
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: nothing about my life. And I don't think I meant

561
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: to never come back. I meant to get out, at

562
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: least for that moment. I needed to get the fuck out.

563
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: And so I got to New Orleans, got home. I'd

564
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: been home for years with a newborn baby in my arms.

565
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: My parents didn't even know about that. Went upstairs to

566
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: my old bedroom, took the million dollars in cash, put

567
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: it under the mattress. Oh, and I also brought a

568
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: shitload of blow. Might have been a couple of ounces

569
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: or more. It had to be more for me at

570
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: that time. She said, don't worry. If you need more money,

571
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: I'll send you more money. And that's how I got out.

572
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Did they try to get you to come back.

573
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

574
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Were they worried about you being a risk?

575
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no. If anybody would have

576
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: been worried that I was a risk, I would have

577
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: been erased.

578
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Cookie takes care of her mom until she passes and

579
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: finishes her degree at Loyola, still parting her ass off

580
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 1: with unlimited supplies of cocaine. She's getting restless again though

581
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Nicaragua is calling her name.

582
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: I said, well, let me go check out the revolution,

583
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: And so I went and got to Nicaragua, living with

584
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: some friends, and sufficed to say, war time was tough.

585
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: Who were you rolling with when you went back?

586
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: All my old gang friends, all partiers. I'm still a

587
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: good girl in the eyes of my aunts and uncles,

588
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: an older family, to.

589
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: All the old contacts, all the old people you always

590
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: hung with their own.

591
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm meeting new people, poor people, because now

592
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: the Sandinistas have made it possible for a middle class

593
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: to emerge. They're fighting infant mortality, they're fighting illiteracy. But

594
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: the scarcity of things water was scarce, you know, toilet paper,

595
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: which we can all relate to.

596
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 7: Now.

597
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question about the Sandinistas

598
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: and what they were bringing to the table. When you

599
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: look back at that time and you think about the

600
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: changes that were happening in nicarag where you mentioned the

601
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: emerging of a middle class. The Santanisas were doing a

602
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of things.

603
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: Good things that anybody would want. Medical care for everybody,

604
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: education for everybody, jobs for people, just what normal human

605
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: beings want.

606
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: If I remember, they were building rural hospitals.

607
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: And hospitals schools.

608
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. But once the Countral War started and the scarcity

609
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: of things and roughing it, electricity would go out all

610
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: the time, and you know, it's tough to be in

611
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: a war in a third world country. So after about

612
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: three months, I said, you know what, I've had enough

613
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: of this. I've seen the revolution. I'm ready to go back.

614
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: Home to New Orleans.

615
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: So I threw myself a going away party. And at

616
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: this going away party, which was what all my parties

617
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: were like, so would call it a very eclectic crowd.

618
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: You'd have poor people, you'd have rich people, you'd have young,

619
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: you'd have old, you'd have gay, straight journalists were there, soldiers,

620
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything, and of course it was

621
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: a big party with party favors. Had my bag's packed

622
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: and I was ready to go back to New Orleans.

623
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Were any of your old friends there, like Chino, any

624
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of those.

625
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: People in Sheino wasn't there, but all the Chino characters

626
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 2: were there, people we grew up with.

627
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: Cookie doesn't know it yet, but her future is already

628
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: At this party, an.

629
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: NBC producer, Cecilia Alviar approached me and she said, you know, Cookie,

630
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: I like the vibe I get from you. You know

631
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: the US culture, you know the Nicaraguan culture. It seems

632
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: to me like you know everybody who's anybody. She still

633
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: didn't know that I also knew the elite rulers of

634
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: the enemy, the Contras at the time, who were also

635
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: rich kids.

636
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: So she's saying this to you while you were just partying.

637
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: Well I'm partying. Yeah.

638
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: She says, you know, would you be interested in working

639
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: for NBC and running our operations here? You know, translator fixer?

640
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: And I said, you know, that sounds interesting. And at

641
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: the same time, there was another journalist there from CBS

642
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: named Larry Doyle, a producer.

643
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: Doyle did two tours in Vietnam, the epitome of an

644
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: old school combat news. Producer Dan Rather called him the

645
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: soul of CBS, one of the all time greats, one

646
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: tough son of a bitch.

647
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: He was my kind of guy, my kind of partier,

648
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: and he made the same offer to me. He says, Look,

649
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: the guy we got is a schmuck, never gets his

650
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: hands dirty, he never goes out into the field. Would

651
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: you like to have a job working with him, being

652
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: that fixer translator going out with the cruise, you know,

653
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: into the boondocks and my party and you know you

654
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: And I said, you know, this offer sounds a lot

655
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: better than the NBC offer, And I said, sure, well

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Speaker 2: that sounds good.

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Speaker 1: So basically you took the CBS offer because they partied.

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Speaker 1: In this NBC offer, they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Party, and it was the same job, same job description,

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Speaker 2: and good money. Larry says, well, can you come in

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Speaker 2: for an interview at the Intercontinental Hotel, And remember it's

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Speaker 2: the same hotel that the journalists stayed at in seventy

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Speaker 2: nine and then boycotted and left after Bill Stewart was assassinated.

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Speaker 2: I said, sure, I'll come in for an interview.

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Speaker 3: So I went in for an interview.

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Speaker 2: The next day was another producer, Carlo Farrell, and I

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Speaker 2: was asked two questions, how do you feel about roadblocks

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Speaker 2: and I've never counted roadblocks, but I said roadblocks. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I can get in and out of anything. And the

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Speaker 2: second question, what would you say is your main quality?

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Speaker 2: And I said adaptability And she said, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: give me an example. I said, well, I could sleep

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Speaker 2: at the Plaza Hotel in New York as easily as

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Speaker 2: I can go into the Jungles and sleep in a

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Speaker 2: shack on top of coffee beans. And she says, you

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Speaker 2: got the job.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Journalista.

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Speaker 2: So I come in the next day all dressed up

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Speaker 2: at pearls and heels, and she says, why are you

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Speaker 2: dressed that way? I said, well, you said I'm going north.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to Miami, right She goes, no, You're going

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Speaker 2: to the Jungles today with a camera crew by your side.

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Speaker 1: The Journalista podcast features the stories and voice of Cookie Hood.

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Speaker 1: Narrated by Steven Esta, Produced by Sean J. Donnelly, Executive

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Speaker 1: producers Jason Wagensback, Roy Laughlin and Ellen k iHeart. Executive

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Speaker 1: producer Tyler Klang. Written and edited by Steven Estev. Music

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Speaker 1: Sound mixing by Jesse Solnsnyder Special guest, Juline History professor

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