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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are in tennis paradise of course, India Wales one

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Speaker 2: of the great tennis tournaments on the calendar, There's no

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Speaker 2: question about it. I was walking around today actually, before

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Speaker 2: we get to our guests, I just want to tell

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Speaker 2: this story. I was walking around today and I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: how lucky am I to actually do a job that

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Speaker 2: entails being here on this site, at this incredible place.

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Speaker 2: So I just I played in nineteen ninety two and

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Speaker 2: earlier when I was playing at the Grand Hiatt, and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't quite as big as this. The atmosphere has improved. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: We've got a great guest for you today, and of

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Speaker 2: course I welcome my podcast partner Caitlin Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Might subsy seventy three degrees in sunny We watched your charge,

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Speaker 1: Ellen Perez, along with Yolena Ostapaca win a very exciting

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Speaker 1: doubles match today, and yes, it's hard to imagine a

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Speaker 1: more idyllic, amazing day of tennis. And now we get

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Speaker 1: to follow it with a fantastic conversation.

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Speaker 2: We do, we do.

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Speaker 1: I will introduce our guest. Megan Robson is the head

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Speaker 1: of US credit strategy for B and P Parribach. She's

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Speaker 1: based in New York, like us on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the so.

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Speaker 2: She's smart coming over here right now.

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Speaker 1: I still called me She's exactly right before coming to

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Speaker 1: be and P Prybouh. She was a black rock, Morgan Stanley.

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Speaker 1: But what we want to start with is you are

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Speaker 1: both a tennis fan and a lifelong athlete. We talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about the role of sports, especially today on

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Speaker 1: International Women's Day, talking about the role of sports in

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Speaker 1: women's lives and careers. Tell us about your sports connection

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Speaker 1: so well.

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Speaker 3: First of all, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: It's an honor to be a guest on the pod.

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Speaker 4: So sports played a huge part of my life growing up.

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Speaker 4: I was a big ice hockey player. I grew up

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Speaker 4: in Michigan, so definitely not from Florida. My dad would flood,

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Speaker 4: like there wasn't really girls teams, so I was always

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Speaker 4: the only girl on boys teams. It wasn't really until

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Speaker 4: high school that they started to have enough.

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Speaker 3: Girls to have a women's team.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it taught me so much. I think

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Speaker 4: besides just being being fun, there's so many lessons that

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Speaker 4: boundaries that really I think shaped who I am and

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Speaker 4: what I've done in my career.

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Speaker 1: Tell me just culturally a little bit, what's hockey culture like,

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Speaker 1: maybe compared to tennis culture, which we obviously like know

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Speaker 1: a lot about, but what sort of like, what are

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Speaker 1: some of the kind of hallmarks of hockey culture.

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Speaker 4: Hockey culture, so I think it's it's travel, It's think

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Speaker 2: It sounds like challenges on the tennis tour.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot.

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Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in Canada, so a

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Speaker 4: lot of our tournaments we would go to Toronto, mississ Mississauga, Windsor.

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Speaker 3: Ontario's finest towns.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Ontario's finest So Tim Horton's was a favorite.

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Speaker 3: Timmy Hose, Tim Hose.

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Speaker 2: So crappy motels, bad rinks and manage terrible look around.

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Speaker 4: I think the fans are and I grew up going

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Speaker 4: to Red Wings games and the fans are just so

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Speaker 2: To a hockey game.

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Speaker 4: It's it's very raucous. And in in Detroit there's that.

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Speaker 4: There used to be a tradition when I went. You know,

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Speaker 4: Yes, just because the original eat the original eight. The

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Speaker 2: So we know that studies about female athletes over index

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Speaker 2: in leadership positions. I mean, hello, I mean it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I did a video for a friend of mine who

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Speaker 2: with title nine. I want to know, you know, if

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's such an incredible question because there's

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Speaker 4: just about competition. You you really learn confidence, you learn teamwork,

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Speaker 4: you're learning leadership, all of that. When you're part of

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Speaker 4: And so I think it's for me, I I don't

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Speaker 2: Is it is. It is a win loss situation in

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Speaker 2: some respects as well, because when you lose, clearly as

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Speaker 2: your parents. The first thing he says, what are you

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Or a coach will say what are you going to

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Speaker 2: learn from this? So I think in business you get

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Speaker 3: You deal with a lot of clients as you've been doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean it does become a win loss situation.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's something that young girls can also

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and it's really what do you exactly

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Speaker 4: address the next opportunity better. I'm part of a research team.

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Speaker 4: So are our jobs to forecast where markets are going

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Speaker 2: Where are they going to go?

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Speaker 3: We're not, and we're not.

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Speaker 4: We're often wrong, and as a team we get together

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Speaker 4: think that it's really trying to take the lesson from

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point because it's sort of I'm

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Speaker 1: ask you, which is your job is to forecast? As

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Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, you're the head of credit Strategy,

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Speaker 1: industry trends. You know you're looking at obviously financial markets,

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Speaker 1: which are we're in exciting times at the moment.

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Speaker 2: What can we not I don't know if we need

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Speaker 1: Talk in your thematic research you're putting on you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously your your forecasting hat. You know, can you leave

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Speaker 1: sports and you know, kind of give us a prediction

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Speaker 4: It's it seems like the next decade could just be

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Speaker 4: entirely transformative in terms of the growth of women's sports.

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Speaker 4: I think this moment does feel somewhat like a turning point.

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Speaker 4: I think look at like the enthusiasm around Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 4: in New York got really involved in New York Liberty Games,

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Speaker 2: That's me floor ticket haled up, both.

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Speaker 4: There's guys on our training floor that were super into

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Speaker 4: New York Liberty. I think that's that's really exciting. So

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Speaker 4: I think really the sky's the limit in terms of

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Speaker 4: also advertisers marketing realizing that this is actually a sound

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Speaker 3: Can can go a long way. Yeah, and that affinity.

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels a lot like you know, we

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Speaker 1: it feels a little bit like women's sports has been

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Speaker 1: Now that outside capital and enthusiasm, you know, it's like

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Speaker 4: It feels it seems like the curve is very, very

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Speaker 1: Let's get like thirty thousand foot view and kind of

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Speaker 1: go back to you know, B and P PIRI about

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Speaker 1: has been an incredible support of tennis, the biggest supporter

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Speaker 2: The question the best support of tennis for what I

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Speaker 1: From about the years, you know, and I think we

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Speaker 3: The sports succeed. You know, there are a.

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Speaker 1: Phenomenal amount of initiatives that that BMP supports.

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Speaker 1: Some of the ones that that this year the bank

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Speaker 4: What's really exciting. There's something called Points for Change Program

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Speaker 4: that BNP is sponsoring. So for every point that scored

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Speaker 4: during the BNP Parbo Open, BNP will donate one dollar

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Speaker 4: to the Riverside County chapter of Girls on the Run.

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Speaker 4: So this this organization works with girls across Coachella Valley

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Speaker 4: and really to boost their confidence, inspire them to pursue

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Speaker 4: think that's the initiative that really stuck out to me.

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Speaker 4: That is a special one.

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Speaker 1: It's also a female founded company, and you know, they're

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Speaker 1: Coachella Valley girls are having their lives change in a

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Speaker 1: very very direct way, and I think that's, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, to me, one of the most impressive things about it.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, And I feel like, you know, when

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Speaker 2: the extra traffic and all this sort of stuff is like, guys,

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Speaker 2: like this is so important for this part of the world,

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Speaker 2: and it only gets bigger. This tournament only gets bigger,

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Speaker 2: only gets more important, it only gets more people coming

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Speaker 2: to it. And so I think that's fantastic. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: I can tell you twenty thirty things that I love

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Speaker 2: I love that I love that they love doubles so much.

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Speaker 2: I love that they like my friends are like I

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Speaker 2: as a sports fan. What have you loved about being here?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 4: I think the energy in the stadium is really incredible.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is such a diehard tennis appreciator. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: it's just it's just the setting is just incredibly beautiful

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Speaker 4: with the sky and it's it's it's very beautiful. And

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Speaker 4: then selfishly, as a BNP employee, we got to have

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Speaker 4: a tennis clinic, which you know, haven't played tennis in

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Speaker 4: was really special. Reminds you how fun fun it is

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Speaker 1: I bet given your slapshot, you probably have a pretty

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Speaker 3: Is that an accurate assessment?

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Speaker 4: My back ends better? So I was I was randomly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly?

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Speaker 1: Were you to get you out of the court next

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Speaker 2: you see? Like as far as is that athleticism part

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're running to a tennis ball and you're sliding

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Speaker 2: and you're skating, Like, is there something that impresses you? Like, Well,

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Speaker 2: getting smashed. We don't have to worry about getting hit

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Speaker 2: Yes, except maybe the tennis ball.

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Speaker 4: I think what really I appreciate about tennis players is

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Speaker 4: it's like I am in my head like we need

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Speaker 2: You know, Caitlyn, You're not the only one.

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Speaker 4: And it can throw so familiar theme and it can

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Speaker 4: it's easy to get to really get in your head

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Speaker 2: Your past the island.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, someone will snap you back in.

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Speaker 3: Past that puck, past that puck.

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Speaker 2: I'm choking, I'm passing the puck to you. It's interesting

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Speaker 2: that you said that, because that also makes me for

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Speaker 2: competitively I never had another sport because a lot of

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Speaker 2: people might like, say the athletici is on the sliding

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Speaker 2: type when you go. The mental side of this sport

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Speaker 2: is so incredible, and I have to say, the difference

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Speaker 2: in the world and winning Grand Slams is often that.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you said that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not surprising that we've gotten such amazingly fascinating

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Speaker 1: answer out of you because it sounds like B and

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Speaker 3: US head of credit Strategy.

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Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for making time out

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Speaker 1: of your exceptionally busy day and busy time here at

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Speaker 1: Indian Wells Tennis.

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Speaker 3: Paradise at the B and P pro by open to

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Speaker 3: talk with us. So thank you again, Megan. It was

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Speaker 3: a true pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure was all my thanks for having me awesome, great,

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much,