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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate f Daily

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Speaker 1: with me your girl, Danielle Moody recording a live from

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Cilarium. You know, folks, I've recorded my normal

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Speaker 1: interview with our friend in house, doctor doctor Jonathan Metzel,

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Speaker 1: and I got to tell you that when I finished

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Speaker 1: the interview with him, I was thoroughly depressed. Not because

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Speaker 1: I find Jonathan depressing, but because I'm just wondering how

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Speaker 1: many times we're going to be talking about the same things,

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Speaker 1: and recognizing that the only thing that our politicians are

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Speaker 1: offering us as we experience multiple pandemics, as we are

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Speaker 1: forced to live through trauma, and all that they offer

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Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers. Today's conversation with Jonathan is about the

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Speaker 1: fact that this week in Michigan, once again, multiple schools

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Speaker 1: across the state are closed. Multiple middle schools and elementary

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Speaker 1: schools are closed. Why is that because of copycat threats

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Speaker 1: of gun violence, of massacres taking place at these schools,

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Speaker 1: and so they've shut down. Now, what's funny to me

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Speaker 1: is that these are the same people who, if the

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Speaker 1: school was shutting down because of COVID, would be flipping out,

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Speaker 1: turning over deaths at school board meetings because their children

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Speaker 1: are forced to wear a mask and that is traumatizing,

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Speaker 1: you know, to protect them from a virus that is

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Speaker 1: killed over eight hundred thousand Americans. At this point. The

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Speaker 1: area that Oxford High School is in, Jonathan Will tell

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Speaker 1: us later in the show, is the reddest of red States.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about gun country, USA, And there's a petition

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Speaker 1: right now out in order to make the schools go

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Speaker 1: virtual until the new year. And I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 1: that's just kicking the can down the road. What happens

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Speaker 1: in the new year. We also thought that, you know,

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Speaker 1: according to the New York Times, is that there was

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Speaker 1: over six hundred mass shootings that took place in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: It was just that the news which is too busy

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Speaker 1: covering the other pandemic being COVID nineteen that was ravaging

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Speaker 1: our country, as opposed to the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: gun purchases were at a record high in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: in this country. That gun stores were made to be essential, right,

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Speaker 1: so we need toilet paper Purerell Clorox wipes and a

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Speaker 1: nine millimeter. But that is America and what is troubling

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Speaker 1: me today so much is the trauma that is being

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Speaker 1: inflicted on the nation's children, and no one seems to

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Speaker 1: if you have kids, if you don't have kids, think

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Speaker 1: about yourself when you were in middle school and high

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Speaker 1: school during your most vulnerable time. Hormones are changing your

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Speaker 1: figuring out who you are, how you fit in was

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Speaker 1: enough anxiety? Right? We often watch movies and read, you know,

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Speaker 1: young adult novels on teen angst. We'll think about what

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Speaker 1: we're actually putting teens through in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 1: Where we don't do fire drills anymore, we do active

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Speaker 1: shooter drills. Where we're not sending our kids to school

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Speaker 1: into some type of superhero to protect their classmates and

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Speaker 1: schools because of threats of copycat violence. But then once

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Speaker 1: like Michael Phelps talking about depression and anxiety right and

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Speaker 1: that no no other reality. While according to US News

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Speaker 1: and World Report, suicide attempts among teenagers are up damn

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Speaker 1: near fifty percent in this country, you would think that

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Speaker 1: But that shit is normal. Wrap your mind around what

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Speaker 1: it would have looked like if one of the black

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Speaker 1: members of Congress, one of the latinxt members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: It would look like, righte some type of recruiter video.

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Speaker 1: That's what we would say, because we only criminalize and

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Speaker 1: penalize and question the pathology of people of color in

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Speaker 1: because that's the kind of trauma that parents and caregivers

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Speaker 1: taking away the weapons that predators use. I am so

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Speaker 1: sick to death of hearing where public opinion is. And

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Speaker 1: which doesn't even fucking happen in K through twelve. Then

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Speaker 1: right now about how rapidly our country is declining. It

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Speaker 1: is a disgrace where we are. It is a pure,

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Speaker 1: care about the future generations. But every single act or

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Speaker 1: This is America, this is who we are, and this

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Speaker 1: is nothing to pound on your chest. And be proud of.

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Speaker 1: We should be ashamed every single one of us. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next is my conversation with our in house doctor,

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Speaker 1: Woke Wednesdays, we unpack so much the thing that is

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Speaker 1: troubling me Jonathan, as it does each and every week,

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Speaker 1: but particularly this week is America's obsession with guns. It's

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Speaker 1: lobbyists who showed up in the you know, the courthouse

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Speaker 1: before and started saying, if you're going to vote against,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to vote for any kind of gun legislation,

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Speaker 1: we're going to make sure you never get elected or

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Speaker 1: hold up public office again. And people got scared. And

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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: the day the vote was held, only Democrats voted to

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Speaker 1: support this gun safe ledge safety legislation, and all the

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Speaker 1: Republicans change their vote and voted against it because of

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Speaker 1: fear of the NRA. So this fear of public intimidation,

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00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: lost humiliation, career ending, which is exactly what Trump plays on.

439
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Also with all this other stuff, is something that is

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Speaker 1: it's like a short circuit in our democracy in a

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Speaker 1: particular way. People can't say what they mean. And again,

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Speaker 1: the reason I say that is because I really do

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Speaker 1: feel like there's a tremendous amount of public support for guns,

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Speaker 1: for kind of common sense guns storage laws. It's just

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Speaker 1: that given the political wins, there's a cost for people

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Speaker 1: who will say so publicly. So, Jonathan, doesn't matter that

447
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: the public actually cares. Now, doesn't matter that we continue

448
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: to say, you know, seventy seven percent or ninety percent

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00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: of the public you know, is for X, Y, and

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Speaker 1: Z when it doesn't sway any of the politicians. So

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Speaker 1: if we don't give a damn about where the public

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Speaker 1: falls anymore, pretty much on any issue, we could we

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Speaker 1: could be having the same conversation about abortion right And again,

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Speaker 1: these are the same people, And so I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: saying earlier like there is an overlap here. There's a

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Speaker 1: then diagram to be putting up right now. If we'd

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Speaker 1: no longer give a damn about the public's opinion and

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: where they fall, then how do we fight Well, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans have done this very well. But first is that

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Speaker 1: the power for all of this is in the judiciary.

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Speaker 1: And you're exactly right. Seventy eight Americans support background checks,

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Speaker 1: closing loopholes on the sale of guns at places like

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Speaker 1: gun shows and online. There's broad public support for this,

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Speaker 1: but you can't move the needle even a millimeter because

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Speaker 1: of the power of elected officials and judges who are

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00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: not willing to go anywhere with this. And the Republicans,

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Speaker 1: as we've talked about a lot on this show, have

468
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: basically stacked the judiciary with I mean, ultimately, gun policy

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00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: is made at the judiciary level also, and there are

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Speaker 1: judges who are just about finishing high school right now

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Speaker 1: who have lifetime appointments. There was one judge I think

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Speaker 1: in Mississippi who's thirty five years old, had never held

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Speaker 1: any kind of any kind of elected office or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. His only position was that he was an

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Speaker 1: unflinching Second Amendment supporter. So we've got across the country

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Speaker 1: judges in positions with lifetime appointments that are going to

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00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: last for quite some time. And so the Republicans have

478
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: played the long game. They saw that the power of

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00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: all this stuff is in the judiciary and none of

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Speaker 1: this is going to matter unless the Democrats have a

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Speaker 1: counter strategy for getting judges in place who are not

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Speaker 1: zealots about this issue and other issues. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: funny because yesterday I was looking, you know, in Twitter,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I am seeing a tweet of congratulations

485
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Speaker 1: that this year the Biden administration appointed ten federal judges.

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Speaker 1: And I said, ten federal judges in a year, And

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Speaker 1: you guys are posting that like that, that's celebratory. I said,

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Speaker 1: how many judges was Donald Trump putting up a week? Right?

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Speaker 1: How many? How many were how many were they appointing

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Speaker 1: a week, you're talking about ten in a year. If

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Speaker 1: we're working at that pace, we ain't getting anywhere, right,

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Speaker 1: It's not going to get any easier. And everybody's now saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: McConnell has powers threatened, And I'm like, McConnell's superfluous, just

494
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: like the terra superfluous at this point, Like they have

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Speaker 1: these judges in their thirties appointed in courts all across

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Speaker 1: the country. Their agenda is going to be playing out

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Speaker 1: for decades in a way. And so I just think

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Speaker 1: that the day one of this administration, they should have

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Speaker 1: had a federalist Society style list of judges that we're

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Speaker 1: going to counter all the crazy judges that were in place.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you completely completely that this, among

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Speaker 1: other failures of this administration, has been a failure or

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Speaker 1: also of the Democrats to come together. I mean, this

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00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: should have been from day one, from day one. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I had pulled up an article the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, as you know, tracks using the Gun

507
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: Violence Archive, they track mass shootings, right, and you know,

508
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: there is there's very little consensus, as they say, on

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Speaker 1: the definition of what a mass shooting is Some say

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Speaker 1: that it's for more people injured or killed. Others say

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's two or more. But regardless of this,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up something because we've talked about

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Speaker 1: this before that while in twenty twenty, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: in quarantine and we're dealing with the COVID nineteen virus,

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Speaker 1: you had said Americans bought more guns in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: than they had ever before. And the other thing that

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Speaker 1: was that was said, according to gun violence Archives, is

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Speaker 1: that there was more than six hundred shootings in twenty

519
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Speaker 1: twenty and that we just warrant covering them. The news

520
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: just wasn't covering the mass shootings in the way that

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Speaker 1: they had before because we had this other crisis and

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Speaker 1: pandemic that we're covering. And so when you look at

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Speaker 1: these numbers, they said, to compare twenty nineteen, where there

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Speaker 1: were four hundred and seventeen shootings to twenty twenty, when

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Speaker 1: we're in a pandemic and there are six hundred shootings.

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Speaker 1: And then to some extent, they're saying that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there have been countless mass shootings in twenty twenty one. Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: is it me or is everything trending upwards, and and

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Speaker 1: and what do you what are some of the theories

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Speaker 1: that you have to help us understand why we're trending

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Speaker 1: upwards at this particular time. Well, one truism that we've

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Speaker 1: seen for decades is that the more guns, the more

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00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: more guns, mean more shootings. That's just kind of the

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Speaker 1: way this thing works out. When there are fewer guns,

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Speaker 1: there are fewer shootings. It's shouldn't be rocket science. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that's a very controversial position. And so what have we

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Speaker 1: seen over the course of the pandemic. We have seen

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Speaker 1: the biggest rise in gun sales in the history of

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Speaker 1: the planet. In a certain kind of way, that was

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Speaker 1: an issue before the pandemic. Even before the pandemic, Americans

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Speaker 1: owned three hundred and ninety three million guns. You might

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Speaker 1: do the math. That's more than people. So there was

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Speaker 1: like one point two one gun per people in the country.

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Speaker 1: Not that every person had a gun, but so we

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Speaker 1: were already the most armed civilian populace in the globe,

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Speaker 1: on the globe, and then the pandemic. The first couple

547
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Speaker 1: of months of the pandemic, there was this rush making guns.

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Speaker 1: Gun stores essential businesses. People were buying guns the way

549
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: they were buying purell and toilet paper, and so we

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Speaker 1: just have an ungodly amount of guns in circulation in

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Speaker 1: this country, and so it's not surprising that what follows

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Speaker 1: is shootings, different kinds of shootings. With the massings get

553
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Speaker 1: all the headlines, but the kinds of shootings that happen

554
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Speaker 1: when people have guns in their homes are guns suicides

555
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: and partner violence, shootings and other kinds of shootings. And

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Speaker 1: so the more guns that are in people's homes, particularly

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Speaker 1: during a moment of tension and when people are staying

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Speaker 1: at home or social distancing or homeschooling their kids, you're

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00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: just going to see the kind of result that we've

560
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Speaker 1: had now, which is an unfettered, just orgy of gun

561
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: sales into homes, a lot of them that had never

562
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Speaker 1: had guns before, a lot of tension, ideological social anxiety, unrest,

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00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: political and ideological divisiveness, and crappy gun laws. And so

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Speaker 1: it's really a kind of perfect storm. And I think

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Speaker 1: probably next year's even unfortunately, going to be even worse.

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Speaker 1: And until we kind of can come together on this,

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00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: along with coming together and everything else, I think this

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Speaker 1: is what we're going to see. But again, That's why

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Speaker 1: I was saying the NRAY is so superfluous because they've

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Speaker 1: already got permiss of judges and more guns than people

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Speaker 1: in the country, and so what else they have to

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00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: do at this point except for armed both sides of

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Speaker 1: a civil war, And so that really it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a scary moment, and guns just heighten heightened the risk

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Speaker 1: for everybody. With a few minutes that we have left, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: I want to circle back to something that you just

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Speaker 1: said about suicides, because this is this is something else

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Speaker 1: that I don't think is getting a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: right now, which is, you know, a study had come

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Speaker 1: out and USA US News had reported it over the summer,

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Speaker 1: and then again it was picked up recently that the

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Speaker 1: suicide attempt rate among teenagers has increased by almost half,

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Speaker 1: particularly for teenage girls. Emergency room visits for suspected suicide

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Speaker 1: attempts among girls between the ages of twelve and seventeen

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Speaker 1: increased twenty six percent over the summer of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and fifth the percent this winter, right the winter that

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Speaker 1: we are currently in US Center for Disease and Control

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: and Prevention has found right, and they're saying that this

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Speaker 1: is another pandemic. And again I want to tie this

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Speaker 1: back to the trauma that we are placing on children

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Speaker 1: in this country, whether it is you know them watching

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Speaker 1: adults right say, don't wear a mask. Wear a mask,

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Speaker 1: you're you know you're not a patriot if you wear

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Speaker 1: a mask, to ushering kids into schools to do mass

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Speaker 1: shooting drills, active shooting drills instead of fire drills like

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Speaker 1: you and I did when we were in school. What

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Speaker 1: do you what do you think when you see reports

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Speaker 1: like this and hear about studies like this, and like,

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Speaker 1: why aren't we talking about this as a major crisis

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Speaker 1: around our kids? You would think saving our kids would

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00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: be something we could come together around. Instead. Everything we've

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Speaker 1: talked about here, the debate about guns, the debate about

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Speaker 1: the role of history and when does history begin, the

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Speaker 1: debate about what we teach and how they think, is

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Speaker 1: all happening in the context of just a tsunami of despair.

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Speaker 1: Because kids in school right now don't know what the

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Speaker 1: future is going to look like. There's climate instability, the

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Speaker 1: pandemic is raging. The grown ups are not in control

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Speaker 1: right now. There's no certainty about the future of the

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Speaker 1: economy or the world they're going to enter into, and

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Speaker 1: so we've made kids political pawns at precisely the moment

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Speaker 1: that kids are the most vulnerable. I see this even

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Speaker 1: with the college students I teach, and it's such a

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Speaker 1: national failure. It's just such a national failure. And really,

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Speaker 1: I think that taking these ideological battles and then making

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Speaker 1: kids the places where these ideological battles are being fought

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Speaker 1: is going to lead to horrific, horrific consequences for kids,

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Speaker 1: but also a host of unattended consequences just for the

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00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: country that we can't even envision. And so really, I

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00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: really hope that if we if we address even one pandemic,

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Speaker 1: that this is the one that we that we focus on.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just it is. It is amazing to

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Speaker 1: me that, you know, a decade, two decades ago, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans referred to themselves as the Party of family values.

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Speaker 1: That you know, two decades ago it was, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we care about life. The Twitter handle at GOP tweeted

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Speaker 1: during the abortion hearing at the Supreme Court, we are

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Speaker 1: the pro life party. We care about life, life above

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Speaker 1: all else. And I'm saying to myself, where where is

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Speaker 1: that true? I mean, I of course agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean all these fights, I mean, all the critical

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Speaker 1: race theory stuff, the sixteen nine stuff. It's it's kind

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00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: of making an example. But I also think that polarization

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00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: itself has taught sick for kids in a way. And

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know, I don't know where we

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Speaker 1: go from here. I mean, I think that the despair

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Speaker 1: among kids is something that this country is going to be,

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Speaker 1: even if the pandemic was solved tomorrow, even if all

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00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: these problems were solved tomorrow, even if we could somehow

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00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: magically glue the ice shelf back into place before it

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00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: falls off into the ocean, kids are just the level

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Speaker 1: of uncertainty, trauma, despair, just about who's in control, what's

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Speaker 1: the world going to be like five years from now,

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Speaker 1: which all these things that are causing grown ups to

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Speaker 1: have anxiety, kids are suffering in space. I again again,

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Speaker 1: I teach college. I see kids, you know, they're kids

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Speaker 1: to me very regularly, and I can just say that

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00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: the level of uncertainty right now is just off the charts,

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Speaker 1: and in a way, it's a reflection of our dysfunctional

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Speaker 1: political system more than anything else. Yeah, And I you know,

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Speaker 1: and I would just end with this is that what

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Speaker 1: hurt would pains me the most. Unlike your college students, right,

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Speaker 1: who have the ability to vote, right, they have the

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Speaker 1: ability to actively participate in in our society, in our

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Speaker 1: in our politics, these young kids, these middle schoolers, these

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Speaker 1: high schoolers, it's like being trapped in a cage and

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Speaker 1: watching everything burn around you and not having the ability

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Speaker 1: to open up the door and escape. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: and I and I literally just don't you know, just

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Speaker 1: don't think that we are collectively thinking about what the

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Speaker 1: long term ramifications of that level of despair and trauma

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Speaker 1: really is. I mean, let's think about the how could

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Speaker 1: politics constructively address the future of mental health for kids.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a very important political intervention

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Speaker 1: in a way. So, um, and you mentioned voting, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of college students right now, look

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Speaker 1: just look at the politics of voting. It's not like

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Speaker 1: they see that as like a panacea in a way.

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Speaker 1: And so in a way, we really need to rebuild

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Speaker 1: faith in trust in those institutions. And you would think

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Speaker 1: that would be something people could come together about, but

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Speaker 1: that ain't happening quite yet. Oh, Jonathan, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I do not know, I do not know.

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Speaker 1: You know, I liked it when I thought that it

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Speaker 1: was COVID nineteen that was our biggest fucking problem. But

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Speaker 1: it's not. We are living inside of a of a

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Speaker 1: perfect storm. We appreciate you as always being one of

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Speaker 1: our many trusted guides to get us through. We'll talk again,

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Speaker 1: God willing next week. No, we'll have a cheerful We'll

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Speaker 1: do cheerful holidays next week. You know some things. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that is it for me today. Dear friends on woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power. Get woke and stay woke as

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Speaker 1: fun and friends. Do take good, good care of yourselves, please,

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Speaker 1: because your wellness is what is going to have you

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Speaker 1: survive whatever this is that we are living in. See

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Speaker 1: you soon,