1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: is up? Straight firefam hits me? Jason McIntire, Straight Fire 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: for Tuesday, September twenty sixth. Not gonna lie, folks. As 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: my young son likes to say, no cap those games 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: last night stunk out loud. I mean, Eagles Tampa was 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: unwatchable from the first three or four drives. Bengals Rams 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: was kind of sort of close, thanks for the push 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: McVay on the field goal in the waiting moments. But 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: those games were just brutal. We'll talk about that in depth. 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: This Colorado situation warrants a mention at the end of 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. We have to discuss it. I know people 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: are starting to get Dion Sanders out, if that's possible, 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: but they have the USC game this week. Everybody's popping 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: off saying stuff, it's Dion against the world. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: Lie. 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk about him shortly, but first I need to 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: start with the Cincinnati Bengals getting off the schneid, finally 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: getting the dub nineteen sixteen. Joe Burrow did indeed start 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow right nursing the calfs. They weren't sure if 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: he was gonna play. They were working things on the 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: practice squad and Jake Browning could get to start. The 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: line's painballing all around. Joe Burrow starts, Joe Burrow does 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: not come out, and Joe Burrow throws forty nine passes 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: forty nine on a bum calf Was the risk worth 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: the reward? A Week three win over a non divisional 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: opponent taking down the Rams. Whoop the damn doo. They 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: didn't look good in the process, folks. I know Bengals 28 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: fans are like, we're back, we good. I don't know 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: how you can feel good about this, guys, Joe Burrow's 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: not't even close to one hundred percent. He threw the 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: ball forty nine times. Are you ready for this? They 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: got to the Rams red zone once. That's it. That's it. 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: They couldn't move the ball four point two yards per play, 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: zero carries of fifteen yards. This Rams defense is not 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: very good. We know that not a lot of playmakers. 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: They did shut down Seattle in the second half of 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: the opener. Forty nine Ers pretty much did what they 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: wanted and the Bengals couldn't. The Bengals struggled to move 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: the football. Burrow had two explosive passes that I counted. 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase had a big game, but it was clear 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: from the jump, just like in the Eagles game, which 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk about quarterback getting the ball to an unhappy 43 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: receiver early and often. Got to feed those divas, keep 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: them happy. But I don't know, if you're a Bengals fan, 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: how you could be thrilled that you scraped by the Rams. 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: You did not look good in the process. The blame 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: games going around, It's like, listen, Zach Taylor, what's going on, 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: my guy? You know, you look at all the Shanahan 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: disciples around the league, Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, Mike McDaniel, 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell of Minnesota. All of the best offenses. I 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: think four of the top eight offenses in the league 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: are from the Shanahan tree. Zach Taylor ate one of them. 53 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: And you can say, well, he's got a busted quarterback, Jay, 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: he's not one hundred percent. Okay, fine, why's he out there? 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean he's out there competing at what risk? Forty 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: nine pass attempts for Burrow is insane. It feels like 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: you won the battle, but there's still a long war 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: to go and is the risk with the reward. I 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: saw the Bengals, you know, they got a turnover of 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: Stafford and they all ran to the end zone. They 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: had a choreographed dance, like, Okay, the Dolphins had one yesterday. 62 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: Dolphins are dropping seventy points. Guys, they're the best team 63 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: in the league. Slow yr role Bengals. Okay, like, settle down. 64 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: I get it, you're excited, but this was not a 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: performance that inspired a lot of confidence in the Bengals. 66 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: If if I'm just an impartial observer, I have no 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: money on the Bengals. I did pick them to go 68 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and win it, but I didn't 69 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: bet futures on them. It was just what's your super 70 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Bowl pick? Bengals thought they were sending coaches a big 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: question mark. Defense did come up big. I think they 72 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: had six or seven sacks on Stafford, but the offense 73 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: is a tough watch. Rob This was a tough one 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: for me. I did not think the Bengals were good 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: at all. Maybe I'm being too harsh. 76 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: A little bit, you know, I thought that this was 77 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: one of those games where I mean, yes, it was 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: an ugly game to watch as was the Eagles. Bucks 79 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: will get to you in a second, and I agree 80 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: with you. I don't know if this might be one 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: of those situations where Cincinnati won the battle, but they 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: lost the war. Because Laura Rutliche caught up with Joe 83 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: Burrow after the game. They asked him how this calf 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: is doing it? He says, we got through it. So 85 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: doesn't sound like his calf is doing very well right now. 86 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned Tennessee coming in here in Week four. 87 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: They also have a great pass rush, and you're not 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: gonna be able to run the ball against them out 89 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: of the shotgun exclusively as they had to do here 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: on Monday night. So long term, it's probably not great 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: for the Bengals, you know, like the fact that they 92 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: are not letting Joe Burrow rest that calf and they're 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: going to try to play through it. Even if he 94 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: makes it. The rest of the season, you're not gonna 95 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: win what you would expect them to win, like big 96 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: in the postseason. You might probably make the playoffs if 97 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: you can only play Joe Burrow shotgun exclusively. Every pass 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: is within ten yards because he can't the ball down 99 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: the field because he can't push off that calf. It's 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: just there's a ceiling as the high you can how 101 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: high you can go with that kind of quarterback. Having 102 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: said that, I was very impressed with the Cincinnati Bengals 103 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: last night. For you to win a game when your 104 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: quarterback is clearly hobbled and your coach, for whatever reason, 105 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: decides to throw the ball. What was that forty nine times? 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: I think you said, you know, you need everything else 107 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: to go right for you to get a win. And 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: to their credit, the defense you mentioned it, six sacks, 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: two interceptions, ten quarterback hereies they had until the final drive, 110 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: the final touchdown actually to two out. Well, they had 111 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: held the Rams to zero for ten on third down, Okay, 112 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: they an't. Cincinnati only got inside the red zone one time. 113 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: To their credit, they cashed it in for a touchdown. 114 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: But their kicker was money no matter where he was 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: out on the field. No, it was a it was 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: a complete team effort. And if you're going to overcome 117 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: what they had to overcome with their quarterback and to 118 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: a lesser extent, the coaching, you need everything else to 119 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: go right. And credit to them, everything went right. And 120 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: that's one of those things that you can look back 121 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: on as a team and feel good about. 122 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: You mentioned Tennessee. I think wasn't it the Tennessee playoff 123 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: game where they sacked him nine times? And Yesni, yeah 124 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: they did. Ye. Well, I think Tannehill had us several turnovers, 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: but I feel like that should be a win for 126 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: the Bengals. We'll see not a layup the other game. Rob, 127 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: this is this is a tough watch like last week 128 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: Saints Panthers. Was like, oh, this is brutal. Tampa Bay 129 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: looked like what we thought they would this season. The 130 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: scary thing is the Eagles did not even play great. Uh. 131 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: They looked good and sharp right down the field. Instantly, 132 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: I texted a buddy and I said, well, I have 133 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: Tampa on the contest as a loser. After four possessions, 134 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: you could just see Philly starting to click like the 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Philly of last year. Explosive play, chunk plays, DeAndre Swift 136 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: just eating them up. AJ Brown calling for the ball, 137 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: getting the ball, and then of course they sputter in 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: the red zone, which is why they only win twenty 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: five to eleven. Eagles one for five in the red zone, 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: but they had four hundred and seventy two yards twenty 141 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: seven first down, six point one yards per play. That's 142 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: an offensive machine. And this is Tampa at home with 143 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: the defense that had looked kind of good against the Bears. 144 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: I know, Kirk Cousins moved the ball up and down 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the field. That should have been obvious. Jay, I don't 146 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: know how you missed that. Kirk Cousins moved the ball, 147 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: well sputtered in the red zone. Eagles moved the ball, 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: well sputtered in the red zone. Still won with ease. 149 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, he is who we thought he were, was 150 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: right primetime, Baker Mayfield, a couple turnovers, can't find Mike Evans, Like, 151 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, it was a great story. It wasn't a 152 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: Carolina rob A couple of years ago with Sam Darnold 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: started three and zero and it was like, Carolina, what 154 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: a story, And then they end up with like six wins. 155 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: Tampa's gonna be in that vicinity. They're not gonna be 156 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: a threat. They're not gonna win a lot of games. 157 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: They're very limited, and you know the Eagles are kind 158 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of back rob Uh. I'll say this, like when the 159 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: offense is clicking with Swift and Brown and Hurts, they 160 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: look good Hurts. Something seems off. It's only three games. 161 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: I know he didn't play in the preseason, but the 162 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: interceptions were very rudimentary. One was an armpunt that resulted 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: in like a safety. But it just I don't get 164 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: the sense that he is on the level where he 165 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: was an MVP candidate slash leader for most of the 166 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: last season. Rob, I don't see him in that same 167 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: vein early as that same kind of player. Meanwhile, Tua 168 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: who I think. I don't know if it was the CBS. 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: Somebody posted to his stats for the first three games, 170 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: and they're almost identical to last year. He's like three 171 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: and zho again seventy four percent or whatever and eight touchdowns, 172 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: two picks, almost identical. You look at Jalen Hurts and 173 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: it's he's not anywhere near the same level of dominance 174 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: he was. So I don't know if that's just shaking 175 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: off rust. I don't know if that's defense is adjusting 176 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: after a full season of seeing him. I don't know 177 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: if that's missing Shane Steichen. Whatever it is, Hurts not 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: quite there yet, not saying he can't get that Rob, 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: but for me, I don't think they look like the 180 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: most complete team in the NFL yet now it is 181 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: a marathon, not a sprint. Long way to go. We 182 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: got fourteen more weeks. Okay, Eagles are probably gonna be fine, 183 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: but I'd say right now the Niners still have an 184 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: edge in the NFC over Philly. 185 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you. And to ask your 186 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: question about Jaalen Hurts, I believe it's the Shansnyke in effect, 187 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: and defensively to a lesser extent than Jonathan Annaque effect, 188 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: because just watching them through the first three games where 189 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: they're winning, and the reason they're winning is because they 190 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: have the best offensive line in football, period point blank. 191 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: So they're running rough shot over everybody last night over 192 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: twenty yards again. And defensively they have, in my opinion, 193 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: the best defensive line in the NFC. I think in 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: the NFL it's gets to me it's close to them 195 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: in the Jets it as far as just the front 196 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: floor and the wave they can come at you, I 197 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: think that they're kind of neck and neck in that regard. 198 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: But everything else right now is a word in progress, 199 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: and it was something that I thought might happen, you know, 200 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: in the off season. I expect them to start off 201 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: slowly and kind of build as the season gone on. 202 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: I personally didn't expect them to start this slowly. I 203 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: thought that they would, you know, still be more effective 204 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: than they have been. But I'll tell you what, this 205 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: might be a little bit of a hot take. I'd 206 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: much rather be in the position of the Philadelphia Eagles 207 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: right now than like the Dallas Cowboys. Oh now, even 208 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: just you know, even discounting the loss on Sunday, is 209 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: we saw what I think was like the best version 210 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: of Dallas in the first two weeks of the season. 211 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: They were absolutely dominant. I don't know if their defense 212 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: could play any better. Their offense obviously can, but given 213 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: the Mike McCarthy play calling factor, I don't know if 214 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: you're ever going to get that high scoring Dallas offense 215 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: again with Philadelphia and what could be going back to 216 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 2: Dallas is they kind of started to feel themselves a 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: little bit, and they admitted as much. Dak Prescott and 218 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Michael Parson admitted much on Sunday after the loss, like, hey, 219 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: we may have, you know, kind of got humbled a 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,359 Speaker 2: little bit by what happened to us against Arizona. Philadelphia 221 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: is not playing well and they're winning you know, thankfully, 222 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: but they're aware that they're not playing well. Jason Kelsey 223 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: has don multiple interviews saying, yeah, this is not good football. 224 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: I'll putting out there right now. Thankfully we're winning, but 225 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: it's not good enough. Jalen Hursts has said the same thing. 226 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: And so when you have a team, even though they're winning, 227 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: they understand that their goals are much bigger than you know, 228 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: winning the NFC East or making the postseason. Their goals 229 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: are a super Bowl. So they're not resting on their 230 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: laurels and saying, hey, we're getting these ws. Don't worry 231 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: about it. Everything's going to be fine. They know there's 232 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: a little bit of a sense of urgency in that 233 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: locker room. And that's something that if I'm an Eagles fan, 234 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm feeling good about even though we're not playing well. 235 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: The fact that they're not just saying, hey, we're not 236 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: playing well, it'll happen. It will happen. Like they know 237 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: that they have to get things corrected, So you got 238 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: to be happy about that. 239 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Maybe Dallas the loss will help Dallas and they'll come 240 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: out and steamroll the Patriots this weekend, But I don't 241 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: don't know. It almost feels like Philly needs a loss. 242 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think I saw this at Jalen Hurts 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: is now, what is it, twenty and one in his 244 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: last twenty one regular season starts. It's pretty damn good, 245 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: especially when you know Russell Wilson is I think four 246 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: and fourteen straight up. Somebody had an analogy that Russell 247 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: Wilson without everything in Seattle is you know, he's fading 248 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and you just start to wonder if we're 249 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: going to see that with other quarterbacks where you take 250 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: them out of their comfort zone. Seattle, he had Metcalf, 251 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: he had Locket, I mean, legion a boom for a 252 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: couple of years. Like they were surrounded by a lot 253 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: of talent, and then you remove that guy and he's 254 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of all alone and they're like, oh geez, what 255 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: do we have here? And you know, the guy was 256 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: trying to compare her to like a Lamar Jackson or 257 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: some of these other quarterbacks who are kind of on 258 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: their own. Now. Patrick Mahomes is missing a bunch of receivers. 259 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: I I just wonder and Rob, you know, we've touched 260 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: on this, but like the idea, you know, I know 261 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: Tua's numbers are insane, and you know, Jalen Hurts is 262 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: on this struggling a little bit. But like if I 263 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: asked you who would you rather have going forward, Jalen 264 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: Hurts or Tua? And it wasn't Miami Tua. It was like, Okay, 265 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Jalen Hurts in Miami with Mike McDaniel, 266 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put Tua in Philly. Well, who would 267 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: you rather have? Rob? I think the answer is. 268 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: Pretty easy, right, Yeah, you're rather Jalen Hurts. 269 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So like tuas in a great spot. And 270 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was you yesterday who said 271 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: this or somebody else I was talking to, but they 272 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: were like, does Tua consider taking a discount? Hey, I 273 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: do have an injury history. Yeah, I'm not gonna ask 274 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: for forty million a year. I want to build a winner. 275 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: I want to get a Super Bowl. I'll take you know, 276 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: I'll take thirty. I'll take less than Daniel Jones. Like, 277 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: is there any world where Tua does that? Or does 278 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: McDaniel say, you know too, I love you, but I 279 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: know it's a system and me and uh, we're gonna 280 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: go another direction. And I'm gonna go grab Sam Hartman 281 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame in the fourth round, and he's gonna 282 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: be my new tool. Like I don't know, quarterback is 283 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: such a mysterious position like this Joe Burrows stuff. Rob, 284 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you watch this for you nine. 285 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: This ain't the same Bengals dude from the last couple 286 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: of years. He's just not whether it's the injury, whether 287 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: it's defense is adjusting to the offense, they just don't 288 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: look nearly as good or explosive or dangerous like it's 289 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are fascinating man, and spoken like a fan of 290 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: a team that doesn't have one in Zach Wilson. By 291 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: the way, I don't want to do I just I 292 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: hate giving Joe Namath credibility here. But of course you 293 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: know what happens when the Jets are spiraling. We gotta 294 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: get Joe Davids on the horn. Let's see what the 295 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: drunk grandpa Thanksgiving is gonna say. And that's what he is. Rob, 296 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: Let's be real easy. He's the eighty year old uncle 297 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: at the Thanksgiving tenor table who's lifting his leg and farting, 298 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: and then he's just cracking like in a wildly inappropriate joke, 299 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: that's what Listen, he's eighty. We saw him on the sideline. 300 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: So he trashes Zach Wilson obviously, which is what a 301 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: fine whatever I get. And I'm like, just ignore, ignore, 302 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: and somebody smart text me and says, well, Jay, you 303 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: know who listens to Joe Namath, right, Woody Johnson who's 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: seventy six years old and owns the team and remembers 305 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: Broadway Joe in his prime and remembers the last Jet 306 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He thinks Joe Namath is a legend. Joe 307 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Namath is a legend. He's in the Hall of Fame, right, 308 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl. But the fact that Namath 309 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: is hammering the quarterback is not gonna go unnoticed by 310 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: the owner, who is then gonna go down to the 311 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: coach and the GM and be like, what's our game 312 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: plan going forward? This is going to happen. I know 313 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: people want to say, oh Loo give Sala passed. You know, 314 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: he lost his quarterback. That's just not how it works. 315 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: You still got merch to move tickets, to sell a 316 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: national TV audience is to not embarrass yourself in front 317 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: of rob I'm just saying right now, if the Jets 318 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: go out Sunday Night football and get just destroyed by 319 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Let's pick a number forty five thirteen. You're 320 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: telling me they're not going to be desperate to make 321 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: a move. And listen, I love the Jets defense, but 322 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs when they turn it on like 323 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: good luck, all these people want to say, Oh no, 324 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: it's it's okay, you just pump the season like that's 325 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: not how professional organizations work. It's just not. 326 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'll tell you what if Joe Namath talking 327 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: bad about Zach Wilson ultimately leads to Zach Wilson getting bench, 328 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: and then you should send him a thank you card. 329 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: You should take back every meeting you just said about 330 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: it a podcast. Look, I don't know. 331 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe anybody Joe naming. 332 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: There is a lot of things and everything you said 333 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: about the drunk Grandpa that I could definitely kind of 334 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: see that if you're just looking at Joe Namath from before. 335 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: But when Robert Sala comes out on Monday and talking 336 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: about Zach Wilson, he says, quote, he's our unquestioned quarterback 337 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: as long as he continues to show the way his preparation, 338 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 2: the way he's been practicing, and even in these games, 339 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: he's not the reason why we're losing. It's always a 340 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: team effort. Long as he continued to show improvement, he's 341 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: going to be our quarterback. Look, everybody with two eyes 342 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: and even some people with one, shout out to the 343 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: Cyclops community. They can tell that Zach Wilson is not 344 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback. Joe Namath is eighty and to your point, 345 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: allegedly drunken senile, but even he knows Zack Wilson's not 346 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: the answer. So if it takes him going on the 347 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: radio in New York and getting in the ear of 348 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: the owner to make a change, then so be it. 349 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: Because Robert Sala, for whatever reason, is blind allegiance to 350 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: the guy that he benched three different times last season 351 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. And the longer you drag this out, 352 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: the more mutiny you're gonna have in that locker room. 353 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: So the whatever it takes, by any means necessary. 354 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: It's not right. It's not apples to apples. But so 355 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, the soccer team we own in Mexico, I 356 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: talk about him a lot, and we started off excited 357 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: for the season started off horribly. We were in last place, 358 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: only team in LEGAMX not to have a win, and 359 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: ultimately we fired the coach. Remember I talked about going 360 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: to Charlotte and then we had drinks and the coach 361 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: came to up afterward and a little awkward. He ended 362 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: up getting firing fired not much longer after that, and Rob, 363 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: it's like he just you know, these guys pay lip service. 364 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in. You want to play the young guys. 365 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the young guys. Coach gets a look 366 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: at the young guys, says, Oh, I don't know if 367 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: I can win with these guys. I'm gonna lose my job. 368 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the old guys, the Vets, And we 369 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: ended up having to move on from the Vets like 370 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: three starters Sayonara, just get out of here. We're gonna 371 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: play the young guys. Since we started playing the young guys, 372 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: we're on fire. And we just scored five goals Sunday night. Well, 373 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: probably the greatest offensive performance since I've been in the 374 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: ownership group. And now there's all this excitement. We got 375 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: a youngest team in the league. Rob, We're doing things 376 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: the way we want and all of a sudden, like 377 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: this guy's limit, and like sometimes you kind of need 378 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to bottom out. The problem is with Zack Wilson, we 379 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: have bottomed out, like we saw it last year. There's 380 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: no more time to waste. Move on, cut bait. Like 381 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: people want to keep saying Jason stop with the kirk Cousins. Well, 382 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: what's the game plan? Tell me the plan. Don't say 383 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. That's not a plan of attack. He ain't 384 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: doing Jack. Don't say Matt Ryan. I mean, Rob, have 385 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: you heard of any credible answers? And I don't want 386 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: to hear trade for Andy Dalton. Guys are hitting me 387 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: on Twitter with that. That's not reality. The Panthers are 388 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: not moving on from Dalton. They're not Who are some 389 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: of the other backups people are talking about? Cause you 390 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: guys send me this not junk all the time? Oh, 391 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: forget kirk Cousins, what about this? Like, No, if you 392 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: have a backup, you're not trading them. You need to 393 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: protect your veteran gardner. Minshew, it's not happening. He just 394 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: went on the road and beat the Ravens. He wasn't great. 395 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is a guy, but you need a competent backup. 396 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: Jets came into the season thinking Zack Wilson was competent. 397 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: He ain't like, I don't know what the move is guys, 398 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: other than I have not heard one thing that makes sense. 399 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: And if it Zach Wilson, he's going to get fired, 400 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: all right, Sala's going to get Cannon Douglas is going 401 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: to get gone to. We're back with another week of football, 402 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and Draft Kings Sportsbook is keeping us in on the 403 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: NFL action with great offers every single day. 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I 427 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: don't know that I noticed it as much. Rob does 428 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: host a radio show which Rob I gotta give you problems. 429 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: You haven't plugged the odd couple in a while. Did 430 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: a nice job there. Early on in the podcasting people forget. 431 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: He would mention the odd couple and the hours or 432 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: whatever they are, and it was funny. It was like 433 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: a running bit now people just go after you for 434 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: other reasons. Rob, Yes, but I'll say this, Uh, there 435 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: is some narrative building that Dion Sanders did so much 436 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: talking in the offseason and in the first three weeks 437 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: that college football at large is out to get him 438 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: and they're not colluding, but they're rooting for his demise. 439 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: And like, Rob, I don't know why this is like 440 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: a news flash to people, like you could have seen 441 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: this coming four months ago. You know, you got guys 442 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: like Kyle Winningham, and I could say it Chris Peterson 443 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: was on the side of the herd last week when 444 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: these guys come in. You know, Chris Peter's in the 445 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Boise State Washington coach. When these guys come in, I'm 446 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: just peppered them questions and I'm like and I straight 447 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: up said to him, how many is Winningham gonna put 448 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: on Deon Sanders? And he kind of laughed, and I 449 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: just that's not He's not saying that he agreed with me, 450 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: but just the look on his face and the laughter, 451 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: I knew that there is kind of not a code, 452 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: if you will. But when Sean Payton went after Hackett 453 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: kind of randomly, it was to protect his guys and 454 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: pump up his guys. It's not it's not my guy. 455 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: So it's that other clown. Well, the fraternity, the code 456 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: is you don't you don't go after guys like that. 457 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: That's not cool. You're not part of the club. And 458 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Deon Sanders came in and he's doing things differently, which 459 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: I applaud. I totally love that he's disruptor in college football. Great, 460 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: and then some of the other tactics about we not coming, 461 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: we hear and a lot of the stuff rub people 462 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: the wrong way. Now, the people that he rubbed the 463 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: wrong way, yes, old school dudes, probably most of them 464 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: white guys. Although I don't know is Jay Norvel the 465 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Colorado State coach. I don't even know if he's white 466 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: or black. He's black, He's okay, So yeah, Jay Norvell 467 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: seemed to get upset and he fired back with the 468 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: shades and the hats, and like, Deon's just different. I 469 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: don't have a major problem with it. I can see 470 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: how it would get under the skin of an Oregon WHOA, 471 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: we've been here. When did they go to the title 472 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: game with Mariota like fifteen years ago. We've been on 473 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: the national stage We've never got this much buzz and 474 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: hype these guys Johnny cum lately coming in. You beat TCU, 475 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Nebraska and Colorado State and your thump in your chest. 476 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: I'll show you guys what's up. I'll show the recruits 477 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: who want to go to Colorado what's up? And he did. 478 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: They dropped to open a can of whoop passes forty 479 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: two to six, Like, I don't have a problem with that, Rob, 480 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: But then the narrative builds, Oh, it's all these white 481 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: guys don't like the attitude of Deon Sanders. Now again, 482 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: I think that's more of a people are saying thing 483 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: where it's like, I'm getting this vibe on Twitter. Let 484 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: me toss this. People are saying nonsense at the coaches. 485 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you really think that, Rob, that 486 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: there are people out there who are like rooting for 487 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: Deonta fail. Now, I don't mean people like Joe Sixpack, 488 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: who's listening in Topeka, Kansas, Like, obviously there are people 489 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: out there rooting for me to fail, for you to fail, 490 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Like that's reality. Of course, there's people rooting against Ion. 491 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 1: But I'm just talking people that matter, people that are credible, 492 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: that have a bright mind that are thinking, like, do 493 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: you think that kind of person is really rooting for 494 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: Deon to go down? 495 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: Absolutely? And you mentioned it, you know, in passing. Most 496 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 2: of it has to do with people in the college 497 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: football community. They hated the way he overturned the roster 498 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: in the off season. And not just that he overturned them, 499 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: but he was so brazen about it, Like he showed 500 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: up on his first day and says, most of you 501 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: guys better jump in the portal because I'm bringing my 502 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: luggage with me. And it's all Louis like when you 503 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: are still trying to hold on even though we all 504 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: know this is not true, but when we all when 505 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: you're trying to hold on to this idea that we are, 506 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, leaders of men, and this is a what 507 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: was a student athlete? Like, No, the way Dion came 508 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: in was like a professional football team. Like He's like, 509 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to come in, I'm going to trade away 510 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: all you players and if this is open free agency, 511 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring all the best guys in. I have 512 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: no loyalty to you or your program whatsoever. This is 513 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: what this is about, you know, building. Deon Sanders presents Colorado. 514 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, rob let me interrupt there, So hold on. 515 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: So that's interesting you say that. So let's say I 516 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: don't know if Scott and the big bosses are all 517 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: listening or whatever, but let's say new big guys came 518 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: in at Fox Sports Radio. You know what, They're gonna 519 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: look at some of those hosts and say, I don't know, guys, 520 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: We'll see who's here. I don't know who's gonna be 521 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: here in two months, and guess what new regime takes over. 522 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: They like, there's certain guys around the country. They're bringing 523 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: them in and put them on the radio in LA, 524 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: and the same thing happens at FS one. Yes, I 525 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: love it. I'm on the herd. It's great, we're having fun. 526 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. If new bosses take over, they might 527 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: decide we're gonna change things up, and like, that's kind 528 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: of how the world works, doesn't it? So like Dion 529 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: doing it? Did it anger you? I don't think so? 530 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: But you're saying it upset like the apple cart the 531 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: traditional way of how college football is done. 532 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: Right right, because because these guys are holding on to 533 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: this idea that you know, college is not professional sports, 534 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: they still want to make you believe that this is 535 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: still a amateurism situation, and even though it's not so. 536 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: That's why I believe that there are definitely people, reputable 537 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: people who want to see him kind of crash and 538 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: burn because everything he's doing flies in the face of 539 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: what they've always done, you know, going back decades and 540 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: decades and decades separately. The one thing I did have 541 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: an issue with about this whole Deon Colorado situation is 542 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: you brought it up. They've been talking all off season, 543 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: and after the first three games, I mean, it reached 544 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: the boiling point, at least for me, when after they 545 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: upset TCU, Edward or who's one of the best most 546 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: respected journalists in sports history, is trying to ask a 547 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: question and Dion gets its like, oh you believe now? 548 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Do you believe? Now? 549 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: Do you believe that didn't even get his question off 550 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: because he was not being a cheerleader for Colorado in 551 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: the off season, and then they get their doors blown off. 552 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: And when you do that much chirping in the off season, 553 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: and in the first few weeks of the season, Dion 554 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: Sanders doing more interviews than LaVar Ball, you know there's 555 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: going to be a segment of people who are gonna 556 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: take delight in seeing you, you know, crash and burn 557 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: a little bit. So all the talk that you were 558 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: giving out in the off season after the first three 559 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: weeks is gonna come back at you tenfold. And credit 560 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: to Dion, he owned it in the press conference. He's like, look, 561 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: they're gonna ask a lot of tough questions. He even 562 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: told the SID I got nowhere to go. Let him 563 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: ask all the questions that they want. I got to 564 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: kind of take my medicine in this one. The thing 565 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: that bothered me though, was at least from what I 566 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: saw on all of the networks on FS one, on CBS, 567 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: on ESPN, NBC, every former athlete that was asked about 568 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: Dion and that situation thought it was unfair the treatment 569 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: he was getting, that people were taking too much joy 570 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: in what happened to them, and that it was a 571 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: personal kind of a thing. I don't know about you, 572 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: but if you're if you're gonna dish it out, you 573 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: gotta be able to take it. I thought that people, yeah, 574 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: but I well, that was about the Colorado State situation, 575 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: but that people taking enjoyment out of them getting smacked 576 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: the way they did suddenly had like racial undertones, and 577 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: it was it's it's said more about what was going on. 578 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: It's like, no, at some point, it's just, hey, I 579 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: like to see the guy who was talking shit, you know, 580 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: get shipped back on him like that. That's all it is. 581 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Don't you love to see Nick Saban's Alabama TI get 582 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: their butts kicked? Sometimes? 583 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Of course I love to see coach k get smacked. 584 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: What about when Jim Harbaugh was going down? Everybody was 585 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: kicking him when he was down, like people love that. 586 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: Oh Jim Harba. He can't. He's not a good coach. 587 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: He's gonna get fired, run off by Michigan. People were 588 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: takingally like I would. I think I gotta agree with 589 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: you here, Rob. 590 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just didn't like that because, you know, 591 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: it felt like one of those things. As much as 592 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: these college coaches were, hey, part of the coach's fraternity, 593 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: we don't like the way he's doing things, that to 594 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: me felt like the player's fraternity, where it's like we 595 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: don't like that you're coming down in our guy. 596 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 597 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: So that that was one thing I didn't like about 598 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: the whole situation. 599 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: I think I think I recall seeing and I didn't 600 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: jump in because she now does stuff for Fox, but 601 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: I think Josina Anderson, I don't know, do you follow her? 602 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: I saw it in my timeline, but it was something 603 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: like she responded to that Dan Lanning video about something 604 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: about clicks, remember where he said they're doing it for plicks, 605 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: we're doing it for with and she responded with something 606 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: and I read it. I was like, what what what 607 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: it was? 608 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: Oh, would you make the same speech if Travis Hunter 609 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: was playing or something? 610 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yo, that's it. Yes, that was it. And I 611 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: was like, this is not serious. Come on, you think 612 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is going to help a forty two six 613 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: beat out like get a clue? But I'm not gonna 614 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: say that because then you then you get in a 615 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: back and forth and you're being in sensitive to someone online. 616 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't need that crap, right, But you're right, there 617 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: is a weird narrative building. Let's see what happens with 618 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: usc Us. He did not look particularly sharp against Asu. 619 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: It was closer than the spread indicated, but Us he 620 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: might have been looking ahead. This game's at Colorado. Travis Hunter, 621 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video, he's begging 622 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Dion to play, and Dion's like, you're not playing, dude, 623 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: you got bigger fish to fry, which is smart, and 624 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: I respect that. I can see USA USC keeping this 625 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: close with self inflicted wounds defensively, and you know, they 626 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: just they have a habit. They're not I don't think 627 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: they're as disciplined as Oregon can be offensively and Oregon defensively. 628 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: At home, it was very good, So I think I 629 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: could see Colorado hanging around, but I think USC wins 630 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: by at least double digits, right, would you agree? Yeah? 631 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: I think I saw as of what Sunday afternoon, the 632 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: spread was twenty seven, which I thought was ridiculous. Yeah. 633 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I'm almost exactly. USC's defense 634 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: is not good at all. People like Lincoln Lincoln Riley 635 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: historically going back to Oklahoma doesn't coach good defense. It's 636 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: at Colorado, right, it's in Boulder, Yes, so. 637 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: You can't have twenty seven point home. 638 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: Do I think USC is gonna win. It's definitely not 639 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: gonna be forty two to six, and I have Colorado 640 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: covering the spread because their defense in us C is terrible. 641 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: I will say, Dion is the last interview that I 642 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: did a while ago, eight years who hung up on 643 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: me after like four questions, did not like the direction 644 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: of the questions. I don't even remember what they were, 645 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: but all I remember is he hung up after like 646 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: four It was like four questions. He's like, where are 647 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: you going with this? And then just click. I was like, 648 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: all right, fine, well, I wasn't being combative. I was 649 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: just being Jason aggressive. You know. All right, that's a 650 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: lengthy Tuesday pod. We'll be back tomorrow. Hopefully we could 651 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: turn it around in the contest two and three This 652 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: week very disappointing for your boys. Seven and eight start, 653 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: one of my worst starts ever. I have put in 654 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: harder work to clean up in week four. Talk to 655 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: you tomorrow.