1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. Like many of you, 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: I watched President Biden's speech to Congress on Wednesday night. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: He addressed a House chamber of two hundred invited. Yes, 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: I used to be speaker there, and frankly the chamber 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: probably holds up to sixteen hundred people. I call this 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: the empty room speech. You know, the Democrats are so 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: busy creating this spectacle about COVID and mask wearing. All 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: the members of the House have had vaccinations, They've all 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: got masks. The idea that a foreign government, somebody like 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Putin or Jegin Ping, is watching on television an America 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: that is now so frightened, so timid, so unwilling to 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: take risks that it gives a speech with think about us. 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: One out of every eight seats was taken. The rest 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: were empty. And by the way, as a speech maker, 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: let me tell you, if you're trying to arouse a 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: crowd and seven out of eight seats are vacant, you 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: got a big problem. I mean, Biden on a good 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: day's not exactly getting people jumping up and done with excitement. 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: But you put him in a room at nine o'clock 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: at night with virtually nobody else in the room, and 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: we are talking about dull, dull, dull. So maybe this 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: was the dull, dull, dull empty room speech which you 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: heard Wednesday night, was a proposal to spend another three 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: point eight trillion dollars on a radical left wing Democratic 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: wish list. In Biden's first three months in office, he 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: is proposed and passed the one point nine trillion dollars 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: American Rescue Plan, and now he's proposing the two trillion 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: dollars American Job's Plan and the one point eight trillion 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: dollars American Famili's Plan. The White House issued a statement saying, quote, 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the American Job's Plan and the American Families Plan are 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: one center generation investments in our nation's future. The American 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Job's Plan will create millions of good jobs, rebuild our 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: country's physical infrastructure and workforce, and spark innovation and manufacturing 34 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: here at home. The American Families Plan is an investment 35 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: in our children and our families, helping families cover the 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: basic expenses that so many struggle with now, lowering health 37 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: insurance premiums and continuing the American Rescue Plans, historic reductions 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: and child poverty. Together, these plans reinvest in the future 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: of American economy and American workers, and will help us 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: out compete China and other countries around the world. At 41 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: least that was the White House version. Except here is 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: the problem with what the Biden administration is saying. While 43 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: they may have already spent one point nine trillion on 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the American Rescue Plan, together with the Jobs and Families Plans, 45 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about another three point eight trillion in spending, 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: bringing the total spending in the first hundred days to 47 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: a shocking five point seven trillion dollars. Now, you don't 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: need to be an economist to know that the current 49 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: national debt is twenty eight trillion dollars, and these additional 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: almost six trillion dollars will bring the debt to thirty 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: four trillion dollars. So while he says he is helping 52 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: families who are struggling to make ends meet, you can 53 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: guarantee that he's also bankrupting their children's future. In addition, 54 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: he wants to raise the corporate tax and the capital 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: gain sex and essentially take a sledge hammer to our 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: economy by enacting tax and spend policies. Though we know 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: from history simply do not work. In nineteen ninety four, 58 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I was the last Speaker of the House to work 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: with then Democratic President Bill Clinton on four consecutive balanced budgets. 60 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Long gone are those days? This Democratic as it cares 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: nothing about a balanced budget. He wants to spend and 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: spend and spend, and eventually the collector will come asking 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: for payment. It may not be you or me paying 64 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: it back, but you better believe our children, grandchildren, and 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: great grandchildren may not have as good a life as 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: we've lived because of this spending. I wanted to spend 67 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: some time today with Frank Lantz, who's a long time friend. 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: He's a political consultant and polling expert and someone I 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: look too regularly to give me guidance and what the 70 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: country's thinking. Way back in nineteen ninety three I first 71 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: met Frank Lantz, who had done amazing work on populism 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: in Western Canada and Rudy Giuliani's campaign, and Frank had 73 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: developed very unique insights that almost no Republican had on 74 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity to represent people who truly felt that nobody's 75 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: spoke for them. He was a major factor in shaping 76 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: the Contract with America and I think that the ninety 77 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: four campaign would have been much much harder without him, 78 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: and so we have actually been friends for a very 79 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: long time. Well, I was very fortunate to be able 80 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: to be with him yesterday. We chatted some and I 81 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: was reminded of just how really smart he is about 82 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: what's going on in American politics. So I'm going to 83 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: put him on the spot for a few minutes and 84 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: let me start, because it is the day after the 85 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: President's addressed to part of the Congress. What was your 86 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: reaction to Biden last night? Into the whole performance. I'm 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: glad that you emphasized the word performance because it was 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: barely a speech. And I'll tell you before we get 89 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: into Biden, we have to get into you, mister speaker. 90 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: I've worked for some incredible people. I have been very 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: blessed to get to travel with Tony Blair and to 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: work with a General Merkel, to get to know being 93 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: Netanyao right when he left the U N and to 94 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: know him for two decades the SENTI Fox down in Mexico. 95 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Mister Gingrich, there is nobody like you. And I'm going 96 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: to just do two stories because if I didn't do it, 97 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: I'd be angry at myself. I've had the most fascinating 98 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: life because in a brunch in nineteen ninety three, I 99 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: sat with you and Vin Webber, and you gave me 100 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: a piece of advice that I don't know if you 101 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: told other people, But in doing that, you changed my trajectory. 102 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: By the way, you and I haven't even spoken. It 103 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: didn't come up yesterday, but i'd actually not seen you 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: knew since I had a stroke back last January. And 105 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: so if you hear I have trouble tripping over words 106 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: a little bit, and trouble occasionally enunciating. My head is 107 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: still working fine, but the tongue does not always produce 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: what the head would like it too. And the reason 109 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: why I'm perseverance is the reason why became a language guy. 110 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: We sat down over a brunch and you said to 111 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: me that the one thing that the movement did not 112 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: have was someone to teach it how to talk, someone 113 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: to find the words, the phrases, and to take these 114 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: ideas of which Nut was having it about a rate 115 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to exaggerate, let's say a rate of 116 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: about one every five minutes. And so he drove his 117 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: staff crazy. They would go through yellow legal pads in 118 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: a matter of three or four days just trying to 119 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: keep up with him. But I became a linguist. I 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: became what I call myself as the word guy because 121 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: of new Gingrich and his advice to try to figure 122 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: out how to communicate these complicated concepts and these really 123 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: important essential elements for promoting freedom. And the other thing 124 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: I'd want to share with you is that I had 125 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: the chance to be with the Speaker minutes after his 126 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: debate performance in twenty twelve, and he single handedly took 127 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: down a CNN news anchor who was trying to take 128 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: him down. And from that day on, politicians knew that 129 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: if they fought back, they had a chance of winning. 130 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was not a good moment for you emotionally, 131 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: but in terms of having an impact on politics, what 132 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: you did in challenging a powerful news leader in improper 133 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: and immoral behavior allowed Donald Trump to do the same 134 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: thing in twenty sixteen and set the tone for politics forever. 135 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: That you guys deserve respect, you deserve decency, You deserve 136 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: honesty and integrity in the questions that they ask you. 137 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: And so New not only be changed my life, but 138 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: you change the life of this country. And I could 139 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: not imagine America without you. And you need to know 140 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: one more thing. And I apologize, but this is a 141 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: personal relationship here, and I would hope that the people 142 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: on this call don't just want to be informed, they 143 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: want to understand the relationships that develop. I never appreciated 144 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: George Washington and what he went through at Valley Forge 145 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and who he was as an individual. And I bet 146 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: you don't remember this because this was not a significant 147 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: session for us, but it was for me. He sat 148 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: down for an hour maybe three or four years ago, 149 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: when I told you I was giving up and I 150 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: had had enough. And we sat in your office and 151 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: you started to tell me for twenty minutes, because you 152 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: can't tell anything in less than twenty minutes. And you 153 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: taught me about George Washington and how courageous he was, 154 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: and how especially was and how thank god he was 155 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: a leader for us. Mister speak George Washington at the 156 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Constitutional Congress. He is on the roof of my condo 157 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: because you taught me how important he was and learning 158 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: about him, and I read a dozen books about him 159 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: because of you. I'm here, not just in this house, 160 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and not just in politics. I'm here on this earth 161 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: because of you, and I hope people listen to what 162 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: you say and how you say it, because my God, 163 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: what you've got in your head and what you have 164 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: in your heart is essential, and we don't appreciate it enough. 165 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: So I'll stop. Well, that's a pretty amazing testimonial, and 166 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: our friendship is I think people can tell goes back 167 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: a long way and is very real. Despite all that, 168 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to put you back on the spot. What 169 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: if you think good Biden's performance the speech yesterday, that's 170 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: so mediocre, And this man has been working and preparing 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: for this since nineteen eighty eight. The fact that there 172 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: were no memorable lines, there was no aspiration. He tells 173 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: people to get the vaccine by saying get the vaccine. 174 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: That's literally his pitch to them. That had called on 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: more government spending than even Barack Gobala, and he made 176 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: promises the governess a centrist and to be a unifier, 177 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: and he's doing exactly the opposite. I was so disappointed 178 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: because yesterday had a chance to write himself into the 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: history books as being the guy that healed the nation 180 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: and put us back on our feet, and instead he 181 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: will be written in the history books as the guy 182 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: who simply reinforced those divisions, did not in any way 183 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: reach across the aisle. And even on the one issue 184 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: which I give him credit for pursuing, which is getting 185 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: meals into arms and getting people vaccinated, even there he 186 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: was pedestrian. I'm not partisan in something like this. I'm 187 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: not ideological. There was nothing that was memorable, there was 188 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: nothing that was special what a horrible lost opportunity last 189 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: night was. And in that context, how did you analyze 190 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: evaluate what to Scott did? I asked fifty students who 191 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: are not religious to tell me how they felt about 192 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: at the end when he brought the Bible, and he 193 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: spoke in terms of morality and values and spirituality as 194 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: opposed to political and I was shocked because they don't 195 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: agree with him, and they're not religious. And they said, 196 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: if we had a little bit more of that in 197 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: American politics, who would have so much less of the 198 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: stuff that we all hate, the viciousness and the anger 199 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: and the negativity. They responded to his appeal saying that 200 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: he felt more like he was defending American values than 201 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden did. That Joe Biden was defending government values 202 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: and Tim Scott was defending the values of the American 203 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: people and that was music to my years. Pretty powerful. 204 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: He's a remarkable guy. Whether you support him or not, 205 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: our hopes should be that he seeks the presidency. You 206 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: can only do so much in the Senate. He's watched 207 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: and he's listened to, and he's credible, and I know 208 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: that he is one of the most popular senators, if 209 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: not in the top two or three, and they listen 210 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: to him, and when he speaks, everyone is quiet. But 211 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: you can only communicate so far by being a senator. 212 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: You can do so much more by running for president. 213 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: And I think that he owes it. And I know 214 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: that sounds strange to say that a human being owes 215 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: the country something. But he had a very tough upbringing 216 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: a single mom, almost flunked out of school. As he 217 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: talked about, America was good to him, and he's been 218 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: good to America. But America gave him that leg up. 219 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: And because of America and because of his mom, he's 220 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: been incredibly successful and had an impact. But I think 221 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: he has to do more. You say this all the time. 222 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: If you have a special skill, if you have the 223 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: ability to make a difference, then it's almost criminal if 224 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: you don't. And that is an appeal that I will 225 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: make to Tim Scott over the next few months. That 226 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: is time to take this show on the road because 227 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: it's anything but a show. It's real and it's authentic, 228 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: and it's exactly what American needs right now. You know, 229 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: I might have a certain bias because he told me 230 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: years ago that he ran for County commissioner based on 231 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: the Contract with American and that that whole kind of 232 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: reform spirit. Is that the heart of what he does, 233 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: and I see it on a campaign with him when 234 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: he was in Congress and then went to the USA. 235 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I think he's a remarkable Tell him last night may 236 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: have put him on the map, but stay there. Because 237 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: the reason why the Contract America was so important because 238 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: it was about a platform, about a plan of action, 239 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: not just because it was specific. The two reasons why 240 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: people said that it was impactful. Among the one third 241 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: of Americans who voted based on it, it was number 242 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: want to made a commitment, which politicians don't do. If 243 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: you remember at the bottom of that document, we commit 244 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: to bring these to a vote, not excuses that most 245 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: politicians make. You said, we pledge to keep our commitments 246 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: if we don't throw us out. That's an enforcement that 247 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: politicians never did before that and haven't done after that. 248 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: And second, it was specific. There is actual legislation behind 249 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: the talking points, real legislation, things that have been written before. 250 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: You accomplished more in one hundred days than any speaker 251 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: in the history of American politics, because you walked in there. 252 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: You did the work before you got elected, not after. 253 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: You did not try to rewrite history. You did it 254 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: before the election, and people actually voted on it. And 255 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: my mission with Kevin McCarthy is to have him be 256 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: that specific, is to have him have the courage of 257 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: his convictions, knowing that the things that the Republican support, 258 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: for the most part, have the support of more than 259 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: the things that Democrats support. And if he has the 260 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: courage of his convictions, and he has an entire conference 261 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: working and being honest and candid with the American people, 262 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: that's how you get elected in this cynical, dark environment. 263 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: And frankly, i've talked to Kevin just in the last 264 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: few days. I know that in the retreat that they 265 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: just had, he outlined the whole concept of an expanded 266 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: and more detailed commitment to America, which is his version 267 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: of the contract, and they actually have I think seven 268 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: working groups that are going to be developing the details. 269 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: I have to say, back in the days when we 270 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: did this, I cannot say too much about Dick Army 271 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: because as conference chair he was the one responsible for 272 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: getting all the bills. And of course, one of the 273 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: great advantages we had that Kevin doesn't have. Nobody thought 274 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: we were going to win, so nobody was one to 275 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: put up a big fight against these things because I thought, well, 276 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: knew can do what he wants to, and we all 277 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: know it's just campaigning. And it was a great shock 278 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: to some of them when we not only won, but 279 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: we promptly said, if you're going to be a committee chairman, 280 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: you're going to report out the bills. And in one case, 281 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: we had a member of one name who had three 282 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: major bills in his committee and he had personally opposed 283 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: all three, and we said, well, I certainly have that 284 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: right as a committee member, but not as a committee chairman, 285 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: So if you'd like to give up your chairmanship, you 286 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: don't have to bring these up. And he thought about 287 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: it for a little while and decided he liked being chairman. 288 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: I love that, absolutely love that. How do you see 289 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: twenty two and what's your sense? We're still in the 290 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: early stages of clarifying things. You and I disagree on this, 291 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: and I'm very willing to say so publicly because I 292 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: don't want to be a me too person, And I 293 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: don't mean what has been used for in the last 294 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: two or three years that Hill staff and consultants and 295 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: some members tend to tell leadership what they want to 296 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: hear rather than what they need to know. And by 297 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: the way, you were tough at this. You can give 298 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: me a hard time. When I'd say to you that 299 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: interview wasn't great or I wanted to be used that phrase. 300 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: You would then, after about fifteen seconds of chewing me 301 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: out because I need to be a little tougher. And 302 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: I even remember the words you use. You're being destructive. 303 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: It's what you'd say to me throughout fifteen seconds, and 304 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: you say, Okay, what did I do wrong? I would 305 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: give you the line. You would look at me and say, 306 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: that's good, I'll remember it, and then we go at 307 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: separate ways. I still remember this. You did this to 308 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: me outside your office. You did this to me in 309 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: the Statuary Hall. You did this to me outside the Capital, 310 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: outside the chamber itself. Sometimes when would be driving along, 311 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: you occasionally did this to me at fast food, which 312 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: was great for both of us. And I say this 313 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: to the people in school. You have to have the 314 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: courage to tell the truth. At a very early stage 315 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: in my life, I realized that I'd rather lose a 316 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: contract and draw the ire of the people who I 317 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: respected more than life itself, because every time I spoke 318 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: to them, even if I made them mad, they would 319 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: know that I was saying it because I meant it, 320 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: because I believed it, and because I was trying to 321 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: be helpful. And I am not optimistic because I don't 322 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: see that unity within the House Republican Conference that it 323 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: will require when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the 324 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Democratic machine and Mike Bloomberg's going to spend one hundred 325 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: million dollars and all the money and the corporations that 326 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: are going to be lined up against them in the media, 327 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: it is everyone and they throw in the kitchen sink 328 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: against you. And Kevin's awesome. Kevin is friendly, and Kevin 329 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: is smart, and he's got a great demeanor the perfect 330 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: demeanor for right now in American politics. But you've got 331 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: a conference that is not completely united. There are members 332 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: of that conference that are controversial, They say undivirsual things. 333 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: By the time you reached by the time you reached 334 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: June of nineteen ninety four, you had everyone on board. 335 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: Nobody dared disagree with you because you had the vision, 336 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: and you had an agenda, and you had a strategy. 337 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: I hope he has the ability to bring people together. 338 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I hope he has the ability to deliver that sense 339 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: of unity. I know this that they were stronger when 340 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: they walked out of the retreat than when they walked in. 341 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: I know that Kevin has a better personal relationship with 342 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: members than any leader, truthfully, even you. Kevin knows his 343 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: members better and he doesn't have the same kind of hostility. 344 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: You're a revolutionary. You are upending forty years of traditional 345 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: Republican rule, and some people didn't like that. Kevin does 346 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: not have that challenge, but he still doesn't have people 347 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: on the same page as much as you did after 348 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: you took over. Yeah, this is a remarkable opportunity to 349 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: talk to one of the best students of American politics 350 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: that I've ever met, and I think it'd be great 351 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: to see what people have on their mind. Frank, how 352 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: can we get the word out if the media, both 353 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: the print media and social media just won't talk about 354 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: it or we'll block it. I mean, example, is this 355 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden situation where the public never heard about it. 356 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: It's going to go on right up to the next election. 357 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts going to go on forever? And 358 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be go on forever, not just in the media. 359 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: But we got a problem with academia, and we got 360 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: a problem with entertainment. The three professions that have the 361 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: greatest impact on how we think and the opinions that 362 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: we form are the three professions that are at least 363 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: eighty percent democratic, and maybe as high as ninety. We 364 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: don't have a choice. It means that we have to 365 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: have our finance people investing in movies that paint a 366 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: pro American, pro traditional values message. It means that we 367 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: have to watch TV shows that actually celebrate the country 368 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: rather than destroying it. In the media, there are some 369 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: social media channels. If you ask me what channel I 370 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: watched to get my news, it's actually CNBC. Because they 371 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: can't be wrong. They can't be biased. People are making 372 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: billion dollar financial decisions based on what they hear. And CNBC, 373 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: while it doesn't give all the news, doesn't talk about 374 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: all the topics. If you want to know what's really 375 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: going on economically, it's the best I read the Wall 376 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Street Journal. It's got the best editorial page. But that's 377 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: not why I read it. I read it because it's 378 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: most likely to tell you what's happening on the front 379 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: page and not bash and destroy. You pick up the 380 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: New York Times, there'll be seven stories on the front 381 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: page of the business section, and all seven would make 382 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: you think that the America and economic elite are scum. 383 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: They're not. They're smart, they're innovative. They're still creating and 384 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: developing every single day. The Wall Street Journal, take a look, 385 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: six stories rather than seven. For them are positive, two 386 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: of them are negative. That's about the right ratio. Well, 387 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: there are new sources that you can turn to, and 388 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: in terms of social media, just don't go to the 389 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: ideological sites. You have to go to a place that 390 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: prides itself in accountability, which, by the way, is the 391 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: greatest attribute missing from the government right now. Accountability, transparency, 392 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: who's invested in this site. What's the purpose of the site? 393 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: Because there are places where you can get accurate information, 394 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: and I believe it's doable. You just have to search 395 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: more and once you find that right place, do what 396 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: I'm doing right here, tell people about it. My question is, 397 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: what are the biggest mistakes or missed opportunities that Republicans 398 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: are making right now when can painting and trying to 399 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: take back the House. And are there any commonalities that 400 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: you've seen in polls about American attitude that Republicans should 401 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: be more focused on when trying to take back the House. 402 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer that question. I'm going to give three 403 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: different examples that I have new comment on it, each 404 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: one of them individually. Some Republicans have started to call 405 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden a liar, and that makes me very uncomfortable 406 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: because I know that even if you turn out your base, 407 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: that's awesome in Texas, that's awesome in Florida, that works 408 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: in western states. If you turn out your base in Pennsylvania, 409 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: you lose seats. If you turn out your base in 410 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: New York, you lose seats. And for us to be 411 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: a majority, we cannot win that by losing suburban districts 412 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: in the South, and by losing northeastern moderate suburban districts 413 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: and calling Joe Biden a liar doesn't work. Here's the alternative. 414 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: The number one phrase that the American people care about 415 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: the most is actually not tax increases. It's wasteful Washington spending. 416 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: And the attribute that works the best is waste, fraud, abuse, 417 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: and corruption, because if you make a promise to work 418 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: across the aisle and then you don't, if you're giving 419 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: your friends in organized labor and special interest groups payouts 420 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and sweetheart deals, that by definition is corruption. And I 421 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: believe that what's happening in the spending, the one point 422 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: nine trillion for COVID, which doesn't at all go to COVID, 423 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: the fact that money goes into the pocket of local bureaucrats, 424 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: the fact that they're paying for people to organize labor. 425 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: I think all of that is corruption. And when Republicans 426 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: don't talk about it that way, they're missing a great opportunity. 427 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: So I've got two more, but new, what's your reaction 428 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: to that. Gordon Woods wrote a book on the radicalism 429 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: of the American Revolution and made the point that for 430 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: the American revolutionaries and their model, corruption was any decision 431 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: which was not optimal for the country. So if you 432 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: gave your idiot cousin a job, you know that was 433 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: an act of corruption. He got translated in America into bribery, 434 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: so if he didn't pay you for the job, it 435 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: wasn't considered corruption. But they would say the original founding fathers, 436 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: who were all coming out of the weak tradition, would 437 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: all have said that when you start passing billions and 438 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: billions of dollars for the teachers union while they're not 439 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: going to work, that that is a total act of corruption, 440 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: And that's billions of dollars which then have not just 441 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: the cost effect, but it undermines the moral integrity of 442 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: the entire culture. And they were very very big on 443 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: this concept that only a moral people can be free. 444 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: So I think they'd be very close to where you are. 445 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: Give you a second example. They talk about bipartisanship, which 446 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: is process working together, which is intent. What the American 447 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: people want more than anything else is two words common sense, 448 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: And in fact, the best label you can be is 449 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: a common sense conservative. That means that you've got a brain, 450 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: you've got discipline, and you've got a heart. And the 451 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: public really wants all three. They feel that Republicans will 452 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: manage things better, but that if someone's struggling, they won't 453 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: hear it as well. They won't empathize as well. But 454 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: someone common sense does. They think that the Democrats empathize, 455 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: but they don't trust their decisions, and they don't like 456 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: how much they'll spend and waste. So my second advice 457 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: for Republicans is common sense. If you own that attribute 458 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: and you can demonstrate it, not only do you get 459 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: your base, but you get centrist voters as well. And 460 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: that's how you achieve the majority by starting off with 461 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: those forty two percent of vote Republican, adding another fifteen percent. 462 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: That a riot of center but in the center. Politically, 463 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: I think that's a brilliant formula. I thought this was 464 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that was interesting about Tim Scott's 465 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: talk last night, that it was largely cultural rather than political, 466 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: and that he was really touching things like common sense 467 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: or things like being practical. And I think that the 468 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: country actually tends to think more in cultural terms and 469 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: political terms. Reagan was a great example. That Reagan had 470 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: an ability to communicate that was astonishing, and that it 471 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: really involved such basic ideas that people just sort of 472 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: a nod. Yes. He had them in the rhythm of 473 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: what they are in a sense. We talked about this 474 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: briefly last night in your class. It's the whole concept 475 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: of a responsive chord where you already know it, but 476 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: nobody has said it for you. It's really what made 477 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Russia Invall so important on the right for a generation. 478 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: That he would say things that people have been thinking 479 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: but didn't know how to articulate, and then they would 480 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: go to have coffee with their friends and tell them 481 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: what Russia just said, which is what they already believed 482 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: before he said it, but they didn't know how to 483 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: say it. And I think that this whole notion of 484 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: being calmer, less stridened, less angry, and communicating in these 485 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: kind of core cultural values rather than political values, I 486 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: think it gives you an enormous advantage and I'll learn more. 487 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: I know you want to take more questions. We don't 488 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: ask enough questions. Republican politicians walk in and give answers, 489 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: and I would be angry new if you ask questions, 490 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: because you have so much to teach us. But so 491 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: many of these members would do well for themselves to 492 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: actually bring in information. The thing I learned in the 493 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: Reform Party. This is when you and I sat down 494 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: in September of nineteen ninety three, and you may be 495 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: offered to get me involved. You said, what did you 496 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: learn from the Reform Party? They said, let the people 497 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: speak first, and that in itself turned politics on its head. 498 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Listen to people before you tell them what you think. 499 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: Listen to them before you give them your solutions, because 500 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe your solutions aren't going to solve their problems. The 501 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: model I've tried to use my whole career is listen, learn, help, 502 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: and lead in that order. And part of what made 503 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: the contract work was that we had listened to the 504 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: American people, and we knew going in that the things 505 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: we were offering were in fact things they wanted. We 506 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: weren't going out to sell them, we were going out 507 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: to reassure them. And I think that there is real 508 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: truth to the idea that people collectively are much much 509 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: smarter than we think they are, and that if you 510 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: allow them to communicate with you inevitably learn things that 511 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: you would learn. The famous story Reagan is running for 512 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: governor for the first time. They hire the best Republican 513 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: firm of the time, Spencer Roberts, and they were very 514 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: concerned because they wanted to prove that an actor could 515 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: be governor. So they put together sort of a shoe 516 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: box full of four by six cards with all the 517 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: major facts about California that you needed. Reagan, who was 518 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: a professional actor, memorized the whole thing like in one night, 519 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: and he goes out. He does this first town hall 520 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: meeting and the first question that comes up is what 521 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: are you going to do about the student demonstrations at Berkeley, 522 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: which isn't in the cards, and so he gives them 523 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: an answer. He goes to the second meeting, first question 524 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: that comes up, what are you going to do about Berkeley. 525 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: He goes back in the meeting afterwards and he says, guys, 526 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have anything on Berkeley. And they 527 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: say to him, you know, well, Berkeley is not really 528 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: an issue. And Reagan, who really was pretty good as 529 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: an actor and figuring out his audience, said, guys, if 530 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: they think it's an issue, it's an issue. And I think, 531 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: to me, it's always been one of the great stories 532 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: about how somebody who you think of as a leader 533 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: is a leader in part because he's a follower. I 534 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: got an idea for you, okay, and I'm not going 535 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: to wait. We'll do this so you could actually say 536 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: you change history on this call. They're about a dozen 537 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: members that would really benefit from this. Not your philosophy, 538 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: your stories, your illustrations. It's a different generation. I'm not 539 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: trying to teach them conservatism. I'm not trying to teach 540 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: him how to govern. You just gave the perfect stration 541 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: for why they need to listen more and talk a 542 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: little less, and also why the Washington consultants don't always 543 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Right. I will put together a 544 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: dinner for you with ten members who matter, all right, 545 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: if you'll come and for ninety minutes pick the twenty 546 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: stories like you just said, to illustrate the things that 547 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: matter most to you. Okay, deal, But remember you hosted 548 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: a dinner the night of Obama's inauguration, and I thought 549 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: it retrospect it was a remarkably prescient dinner, and that 550 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: that conversation had a lot to do with the victory 551 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: of twenty ten. Of course, but you haven't told the 552 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: people on this call that we were accused of being 553 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: traitors because of that dinner. That reporters wrote about that 554 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: dinner and lied about it. Suggested that we had strategized 555 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: at that moment to oppose everything that Obama had done, 556 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: to be obstructionist. And I've never been called a traitor 557 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: until that night. No, that's right, I had been, so 558 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: it probably wasn't as big a shock to me. And 559 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: this is part of why I kind of understood what 560 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: was happening to Trump in the Washington of the nineteen eighties. 561 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: When I first got there in nineteen seventy nine, the 562 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Republicans have been so shattered by Watergate, they'd lost so 563 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: many of their members that the leadership was sort of 564 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: without energy because it's the equivalent of going to funerals. 565 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, about a third of their personal friends have 566 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: been defeated. Really had no energy, and Democrats would saunter 567 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: onto the floor looking for a Republican to kick around, 568 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: and Republicans would kind of hide so they wouldn't be 569 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: the one getting kicked around. And what happened was we 570 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: happened to have an unusually large class and it included 571 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: people again bethun who had been a marine and an 572 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: FBI agent, and Dick Cheney, who had been the youngest 573 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: chief of staff to a president, and we also had 574 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: an All American football player from Texas, so our attitude 575 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: was kind of we weren't impressed with these professional Democrats 576 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: wanted to come on the floor, and we thought this 577 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: is great, let's fight. And it was an enormous shock 578 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: to them. And it's part of where my reputation came from, 579 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: because who are these Republicans to think that they're allowed 580 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: to be on the floor. They're supposed to go hide 581 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: in their offices, and so we violated the norms and 582 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: thank god you did. Okay, the next question I want 583 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: to know, looking back at the Georgia runoff and then 584 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: going to the elections in twenty twenty two, what do 585 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: you think Republicans need to do different that kind of 586 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: cost them those seats. I believe that you just asked 587 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: a question that's going to divide you to speakers right now. 588 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: I thought that the Republican advertising was horrific. People on 589 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: this call probably donated a lot of money towards it. 590 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: It was all hyper, hyper critical, hyper negative. The individuals 591 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: who were going to vote, We're going to vote no 592 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: matter what happened. You did not have to drive them 593 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: to the polls. The problem was you had Donald Trump 594 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: saying the election was stolen, and so a lot of 595 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: people did not want to participate. You had people saying 596 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: who were allies of Trump being super Trump being extreme 597 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: on that, and it actually depressed turns now, Democrats were 598 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: completely unified, and they were going after the center, repeatedly, 599 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: going after the center. I'm not a strategist who says 600 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: to go after the center. I don't believe you go 601 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: after the right. I believe you find that sweet spot 602 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: that sixty percent in the majority. I'm right off thirty 603 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: percent of the electorate at the beginning. I assume that 604 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: there's thirty percent of America that will simply not agree 605 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: with us, And in Georgia it's only twenty percent. We pulled. 606 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 1: On election night, the Republicans had a four point GENERICALID 607 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: advantage if all else was equal, and Perdue ran ahead 608 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: of Trump Purdue. It was only a few thousand votes 609 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: from getting the majority. He should have won, but he 610 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: doubled and tripled down on just being all over Trump. 611 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: And in the Atlanta suburbs, there are an awful lot 612 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: of Republicans who wanted to vote Republican but had an 613 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: issue with Trump's language and his presentation, and we lost 614 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: them and we never should have. That's where we lost 615 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the election. We had great turnout in the excerpts, might 616 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: turn out in the rural areas. Of course, the city's 617 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: turned against us. We knew that was going to happen. 618 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: It was the suburbs where we saw a Republican turnout 619 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: drop and we did not get the ticket splitters and 620 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: swing voters. I don't believe Kelly Loffler was going to win. 621 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: I believe that Perdue absolutely should have won that and 622 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: it is almost a crime that they spent to one 623 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars has still lost the election. I believe 624 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: people should go to jail. Well, actually I'm pretty close 625 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: to her. Frank Is maybe with the exception of going 626 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: to jail. I thought they were the dumbest campaigns i'd seen, 627 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: that the consultants who are making a huge amount of 628 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: money out of the two candidates were brain dead. Went 629 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: back and said, don't I have somewhere in my briefcase 630 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: a great ad that I ran in nineteen sixty two 631 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: that I want to get out here and try again. 632 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: My daughter, Jackie Cushman, lives in Atlanta and I talked 633 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: to her regularly, and she just said that it was 634 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: an embarrassment. Both the Democrats were susceptible to losing badly, 635 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: and both of them end up in a situation where 636 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: they were running the commercials that said, look, we're nice, 637 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: people were non threatening. We'd like you to get two 638 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a piece, and we're with President Trump. When 639 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: you're getting two thousand dollars a piece, we don't know 640 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: why Mitch McConnell will give you two thousand dollars apiece. 641 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: And the two Republican senators were just whips out. And 642 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: then I think you're right. The degree to which the 643 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: governor and the president were fighting just further froze the turnout, 644 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: as people just wanted to wash their hands of it 645 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: and get away from it. There's somebody helped create the 646 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: modern Republican Party in Georgia starting in nineteen sixty when 647 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: there was no Republican body. It was kind of astonishing 648 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: to watch the suicidal impulses. You know, you talk to 649 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: these people and they just couldn't unlock. And I frankly 650 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: worry a little bit about next year because I think 651 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: that the underlying civil war between the governor and the 652 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: President Trump is still there and it's still real, and 653 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: it could cost us the governorship, could cost us the 654 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to beat Senator Warnuck. I mean, Warnock can be 655 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 1: beaten and we can keep the governorship, but the current 656 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: behaviors aren't very encouraging. I heard Frank speak in a 657 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: recent capitalithalth Clip presentation keepers his Heart of words and 658 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: concepts that tested well in his research for how to 659 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: win the hearts and minds of the elected. Did he 660 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: share of summary of his findings. Yeah, I'll give you 661 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: an example. I learned this in nineteen ninety five, so 662 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: not during the contract, but in the first one hundred days. 663 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 1: And that's the word imagine. It's the most powerful word 664 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: in the English language. Because if I ask you to 665 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: imagine life of perfection, imagine the American dream coming true, 666 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: imagine anything, and you start seeing and hearing what's inside 667 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: your heart and what's inside your head. If you ask 668 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: people to close their eyes and imagine freedom, you have 669 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: twenty different imaginations from twenty different people, and every one 670 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: of them will be correct. That's one example. The second 671 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: example is the idea of being a problem solvereign. They 672 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: label themselves ideologically, I'm a conservative, I'm a Republican, I 673 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: listen or whatever. The public desperately wants elected officials to 674 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: actually do something, not to talk about it. This is 675 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: why governors are more popular than senators. Senators are really 676 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: good at debating, Governors are really good at doing because 677 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: they have to. So being a problem solver, I'm taking 678 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: the language of governors and mayors and bring it into politics. 679 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: So I'm getting out all the negative from the politics 680 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: and bringing the positive from the executive branch. And Third, 681 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: because I'll give you an example, because we've got the 682 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: whole woke thing. The public does not want diversity, it 683 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,959 Speaker 1: wants inclusion. Diversity is about taking someone from the upper 684 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: road that you see in front of you and one 685 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: person from the lower road that you see in front 686 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: of you. Diversity is one of each and it means 687 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: that some people get invited in, other people don't. Inclusion 688 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: is all of us. Inclusion is like a hug, and 689 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: I watch people speak. The way that I present myself 690 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: you can see with my hands, is that I want 691 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: to hug. I want to actually reach out and bring 692 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: people in and pull them in rather than push them away. 693 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: Inclusion is unifying inclusion is about all of us and 694 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: our messaging. Get away from the podium, don't hold a microphone, 695 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: give people a chance to be heard. This is all 696 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: part of a philosophy that comes from populism, but now 697 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: it transcends ideology, and it's simply the idea that we 698 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,720 Speaker 1: respect the people to govern themselves, to live their own life, 699 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: to listen from them, and then try to help them 700 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: achieve their dreams, but don't get in the way. That's 701 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: what new Gingridge taught me. And he taught me on 702 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: plane flights, and he taught me at McDonald's drive throughs, 703 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: and he taught me when we were in the car, 704 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: and he taught me wherever we were. And I'll close 705 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: with saying I found two of those yellow legal pads. 706 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: We were on a flight on a private jet. I 707 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: don't remember where we were flying, but the flight hit 708 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: all this turbulence and the plane is coming up and 709 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: down and I'm scared, and I put the pad down 710 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,439 Speaker 1: and I'm holding on to the arms and New looks 711 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: at me and he says, were you what are you doing? 712 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: And I said, I'm sorry, sir, but I'm afraid. He said, 713 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: I got a question for you. If the pilot would 714 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: open the door and say, please come in here and 715 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: need help, could you do anything? I said no. He said, 716 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: if the pilot were to get knocked out, could you 717 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: step into the cabin and do anything to prevent or 718 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: have any impact on this flight whatsoever? And I said no. 719 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: And he said, well, then you have nothing to be 720 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: afraid of because you will have no impact whatsoever. Pick 721 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: up your pad, get your pen, and let's continue. I 722 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: never forgot that because, frankly, no, that did not motivate me. 723 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: That scared the living hell out of me. But I 724 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: appreciated the fact that he was willing to be direct 725 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: with me even when I was afraid as hell. So, 726 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: mister gang Rich, you're the best thing that happened in 727 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: my life other than my parents. And I'm great. Listen, 728 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: it's terrifically you would spend what turned out to be 729 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: personal time in terms of our knowledge. I look forward 730 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: to dinner with you, and I think we need to 731 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: rebuild and reacquaim what we're doing and how we're doing it. 732 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: So it's been wonderful that you would spend this time 733 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: both with me and also with members of our inner circle. 734 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: So thank you, very very much. You're very welcome. Guys. Well, 735 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: let me just say thank you to all of you 736 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: and to Frank for joining us today. Our next Inner 737 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: Circle live event will be Wednesday, May fifth at five 738 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: pm Eastern Time. So if you have friends who would 739 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: like to join us next time, please encourage them to 740 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: become members of My Inner Circle. Today. Thank you to 741 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: my guests, Frank Lunce and the members of my Inner 742 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: Circle Club. You can join My Inner Circle by going 743 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: to newts inner Circle dot com to sign up today. 744 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Gingwish three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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