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Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody to a Wednesday Nation of Texans all

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Speaker 1: Access from the Monday Texans Radio Studio. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: John Harris, so glad to be in the catbird seat tonight.

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Speaker 1: And joining me right off the top a man the

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Speaker 1: Voice of Texans, Mark Vandomir Mark, How you doing, Johnny?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I mean I'm excited about OTAs. Like

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Speaker 1: I say, this is training camp. It's it's the real

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Speaker 1: training camp. And I wrote about it today at Houston

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Speaker 1: Texans dot com. So will go check it out Mandermere's

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Speaker 1: view better better you than me? Okay, guy right about OTAs,

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Speaker 1: And within fifteen minutes, I started getting Texan calls. And

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Speaker 1: it's well because you get like this guy moved his

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Speaker 1: foot to the left and I noticed that he's got

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Speaker 1: a look. Uh yeah, it's a little detail. I'll say

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Speaker 1: this though, And you know I heard you last night

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Speaker 1: with Deep But you know my hot take is some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are pretty big. Okay sizes, Yes, size

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Speaker 1: matters with Brian Kane, He's been very clear about that.

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Speaker 1: And these old live and they all look like Mountain

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Speaker 1: and the Hound, and I mean they are they are

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Speaker 1: big human beings. So it's gonna be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: them develop. We will talk to a non offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Jordan Nakins. We'll also have Drew Dorty

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Speaker 1: on the show far in Lab discussion which was very,

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Speaker 1: very funnest week, and sticking with that theme of tight ends,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the tight end position and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that delved into a lot of different directions or want

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Speaker 1: a lot of different directions. Is we talked about tight

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Speaker 1: ends and we talked about this entire offense. But Mark,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start off. We're gonna play well, it's game

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Speaker 1: night and you hear the Prices Right theme song in

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Speaker 1: the background. You hear that song. We're gonna play a

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Speaker 1: game that prices right should do Okay, If they don't,

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Speaker 1: it's called order or it's pretty easy. All right, let's go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three humeric totals, okay, and you

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Speaker 1: have to put them in order from least to greatest

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Speaker 1: is a k oh? Yeah, it's an opinion thing, all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean I taught matth I should be able to

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Speaker 1: go from six to nine to twelve. So yes, this

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Speaker 1: is it's a projection. It's forecast. I see and so

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Speaker 1: you think we'll give me the first ball. I'll take

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Speaker 1: it from there. Yeah, okay, So rank these from least

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Speaker 1: to greatest, and I gave you a pad so you

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Speaker 1: can write down if you need to. Okay, least the

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Speaker 1: greatest JJ Watts sacks in twenty nineteen. These are all

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, So okay, JJ Watts sacks. Will Fuller's touchdowns

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Speaker 1: over a sixteen game rate, So Will doesn't play the

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Speaker 1: whole year in fortunately, Like, yeah, what his rate would

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Speaker 1: be for sixteen games? Oh that's a little okay, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: And the total number of touchdowns the tight ends account

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Speaker 1: for in twenty nineteen, Now that's interesting. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: I'll put Watt to talk yourself. Sacks. I'll put Fuller

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Speaker 1: at twelve touchdowns relatively healthy Will Fuller. Now the tight

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Speaker 1: end Jordan Thomas had four receptions last year, four touchdown receptions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: four TD receptions. This tight end group healthy, wearing akens

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Speaker 1: whatever where Thomas does as an encore, Fells gets a

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Speaker 1: goal line. The first in goal were in a heavy

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Speaker 1: run set and me, if Fell is on the team,

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Speaker 1: me at four tight ends. McClain and I debated this

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Whether you keep four or not.

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Speaker 1: But that's a conversation for another day. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: that that number, Oh, that's that and Fuller are very close.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say tight ends. Okay, Fuller

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Speaker 1: watt at least the greatest up watt of fifteen sacks,

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Speaker 1: the greatest number among those. Okay, now, oh, I want

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Speaker 1: to be checked on this come January. Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: marking this one. I'm marking this. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: can be very happy with what with fourteen sacks, I'm

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Speaker 1: Fuller with a lot more touchdowns than the tight ends. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. What did they have? You remember offhand

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Speaker 1: that's a legendary tight edge year of twenty and sixteen

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Speaker 1: with brock oswiler Man. That's the thing. They had a

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Speaker 1: record amount of td I mean a receptions total. But

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Speaker 1: as far as the tds one, you know, Dowitz had

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Speaker 1: So seven amongst the tight ends. Yeah, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: This is easy. QT receptions and then Hopkins receptions, and

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen receptions last year. Yeah, but a healthy

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Speaker 1: is not a bad thing for Hopkins because you're spreading

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Speaker 1: number down to a cozy one hundred. Okay. Kiki had

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Speaker 1: and I think he didn't Yeah, he didn't have If

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Speaker 1: catches on the here, so you're twenty eight in six games.

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Speaker 1: sixty seventy range. Yeah, as I figured, healthy QT seventy

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Speaker 1: b MAC tackles last year, one hundred five. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the tight one. B MAC tackles with Hopkins catches. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm gonna gamble here and say the receivers

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Speaker 1: stay healthy, the tackles get spread around him, But Cunningham

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Speaker 1: b Mac still is the most the greatest number here.

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Speaker 1: So even though I just said Cuttingham's gonna take some.

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Speaker 1: So just like I gave to your QT, Hopkins, that's

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Speaker 1: I'll say Hopkins numbers get a little depressed in terms

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Speaker 1: not a bad thing. So rank these in terms or

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Speaker 1: from lowest to greatest. Yeah, the Shawn Watson rushing touchdowns okay,

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Speaker 1: justin Reid interceptions okay. And Lamar Miller receiving touchdowns now

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Speaker 1: The Shawn had five rushing touchdowns and Jay Reid had

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Speaker 1: three interceptions, but he said he dropped three, so he

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Speaker 1: could have had six. That's what he said yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: said he dropped that. That's the coin flip right there.

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Speaker 1: Watson's rushing touchdowns and reads picks. Although you know how

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Speaker 1: when Quentin Damps led the team with what seven picks

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Speaker 1: Watson rushing touchdowns and read interceptions, those numbers are very close.

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Speaker 1: I think somehow Watson finds a way to get five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven rushing touchdowns. He's just gonna do it. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So all right, this one takes a little bit of math. Alright, math, yeah, math,

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Speaker 1: not right, already doing math. We rank these in order

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Speaker 1: reference sake, I believe in numbers thirty two forced turnovers

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Okay, and Miller Foreman in tight ends combine touchdowns. Uh? Okay, Miller, Oh,

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Speaker 1: rushing and the tight ends. Oh that's tough, man. So

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Speaker 1: let's say rushing touchdowns. That's that's the points. How many

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Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns you can get? Fifteen? Okay, so you get

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Speaker 1: the fifteen rushing touchdowns. The tight ends put up ten.

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Speaker 1: Now you're at twenty five. You're gonna force twenty five turnovers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll say the turnovers and the most the middle number

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna get closed up throwing the tight end touchdowns. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're scoring a lot twenty nine. When when I add

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Speaker 1: be doing in an offense. That what did I figure

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Speaker 1: ten for them? And I had twenty two for these guys?

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Speaker 1: There's thirty two, Johnny, we're over the match and we're

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Speaker 1: getting to that in just a second. Okay, we're getting

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Speaker 1: to that magic number. They've never had thirty touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: in a season as a franchise. Got to break that

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Speaker 1: into this one rank piece from least the Greatest, all right,

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Speaker 1: Shawn Watson, the Shawn Watson passing touchdowns Lonnie Johnson's number

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Speaker 1: thirty two and the wide receivers two. Why tired of

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Speaker 1: coming up with a way to get it. I couldn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just figured that was a good number. And then

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Speaker 1: the question is where does that number? You just okay,

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Speaker 1: Watson's passing touchdowns or Lonnie Johnson's number thirty two. R

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Speaker 1: Watson'll beat that, Okay. Look, I think we thought it

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Speaker 1: thought it was a lock. It wasn't a lock. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the offense of evaluation from the pundits,

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Speaker 1: by the way, regarding the Houston Texans is you have

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Speaker 1: to take into account the health of the Shawn Watson

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Speaker 1: and the way they were playing games kind of close

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Speaker 1: quarterback with a collapsed along literally, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: breaking news there. He had said it to the general public.

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Speaker 1: So what is Bill O'Brien gonna do. I gotta be

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Speaker 1: careful with my guy. And even being careful, Watson still

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Speaker 1: gonna take some chances because that's who he is. He

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Speaker 1: for fourteen fifteen, sixteen games, it's gonna be a lock

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Speaker 1: that he beats that thirty touchdown pass. So he'll beat

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Speaker 1: number thirty two. In my opinion, I like the way

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Speaker 1: what you said, and that is Look when with Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson when he was banged up, the offense got a

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Speaker 1: And then they're looking at it, go him, But wait

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Speaker 1: everything and learning everything and just feeling really comfortable is

422
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Speaker 1: when Deshaun found me on that pass against Philly when

423
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Speaker 1: he scrambled out and um, you know from there, you know,

424
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Speaker 1: um bun is kind of like tech off from there?

425
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Speaker 1: Are you thinking at that point? And I don't know,

426
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Speaker 1: I've watched We've watched the play from all twenties, We've

427
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Speaker 1: seen the whole thing. I don't know if you could

428
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Speaker 1: see him like getting away from everybody, But if you had,

429
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Speaker 1: what are you thinking at that moment when he gets

430
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Speaker 1: away from all of that and the balls on its

431
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Speaker 1: air to you? Because the one thing I thought we

432
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Speaker 1: talked about during a break, like I'm sure George Nakins

433
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Speaker 1: was thinking, I can't drop this ball because it's a

434
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Speaker 1: little high. I mean it's up there a little bit.

435
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Speaker 1: What were you thinking is he could you see him

436
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Speaker 1: kind of breaking away from everything? What was your view

437
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Speaker 1: on that play when I when I rolled out, Um,

438
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: actually like he was rolling to the office side, So

439
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: when he like ducked un there, I thought, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: he was covered, so you know, I was kind of like, okay,

441
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Speaker 1: but you never know, you know, the players never did

442
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Speaker 1: it with the Sean, So I kind of keep my

443
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Speaker 1: feet moving and stealing and run. Then when I see

444
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Speaker 1: his head pop up like the back of his jersey,

445
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: I knew it was a chance. And then so when

446
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Speaker 1: I see him roll, I rolled with him, and you know,

447
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Speaker 1: I just kept my feet moving, kind of found a

448
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Speaker 1: hold and died in the hole because hopk was on

449
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Speaker 1: the outside of me. And um, he let it go.

450
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Speaker 1: So I was like, I gotta go get this ball. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: like you said, the plays never over, so you have

452
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Speaker 1: to have your head out of swivel really right all

453
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Speaker 1: the time, all the time. Deshaun, he'll roll one way,

454
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Speaker 1: flip his hips and let it go. The other way

455
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Speaker 1: he has the he has the arm, or he can

456
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Speaker 1: roll one way and take off and pick up his

457
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Speaker 1: many yards as he came with his feet, or he

458
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Speaker 1: can just stand in the pocket. He's very diverse and

459
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Speaker 1: very talent. What about that preseason debut, because you talked

460
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Speaker 1: about preseason being a little bit different, but you caught

461
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Speaker 1: two touchdowns in your first step of UNFL game up anytime,

462
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Speaker 1: I forgot all about that game. But yeah, I mean

463
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Speaker 1: it was wonderful. You know, it was kind of like

464
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Speaker 1: a good spot, but then kind of like a touch

465
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Speaker 1: spot because you know, a lot of people will hold

466
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Speaker 1: you to a certain standard. You know. You know, you

467
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: come out on fire, two catches, two touchdowns. You know

468
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Speaker 1: they expected me to do a lot, you know, and

469
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Speaker 1: you know the season, you know, and the season I

470
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Speaker 1: didn't get it, not one touchdown. You know, I was

471
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Speaker 1: maining like a blocker, you know, special teams guy and

472
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Speaker 1: uh converting on third downs. So you know, uh, but

473
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Speaker 1: it was wonderful. You know. It was always a dream,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, and um, this year I look forward to

475
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Speaker 1: getting many touchdowns. So good. I mean, did Jordan Thomas

476
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Speaker 1: kind of hold over your head that he had four

477
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Speaker 1: and you had zero? I mean, but look, you know

478
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Speaker 1: j T, Yeah, we've had him in here. He was

479
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Speaker 1: already calling Darren Fells a big left tackle, so he's

480
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Speaker 1: already he's already been talking about that. But you just

481
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Speaker 1: mentioned of all the plays that are gonna be remembered

482
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Speaker 1: from the twenty eighteen season, you're at the receiving end

483
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Speaker 1: of it. You're at that play that the Shawn, that

484
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Speaker 1: the Shawn may is getting away from all that. You

485
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Speaker 1: make the catch at the end of that. That's a

486
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Speaker 1: play that will be remembered forever. So when it's put

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Speaker 1: on a highlight reel. And imagine one day, if Shawn

488
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Speaker 1: goes Whole Fame, you go to Whole Fame, they'll put

489
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Speaker 1: that one on there as well. But you talked about it.

490
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Speaker 1: You were used as a fullback, some you block something.

491
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Speaker 1: How different was your role here than what you were

492
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Speaker 1: doing a UCF? Very different? You know a UCF, I

493
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: was a kickoff returner, point returner. Yeah, UM, wide receiver.

494
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Speaker 1: You know, I was more of a speed guy on

495
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Speaker 1: like two twenty five, two twenty three, and you know,

496
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Speaker 1: coming here, I came in at two fifty five. You know,

497
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Speaker 1: UM wasn't as fast. Came off of a cl injury

498
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Speaker 1: from college, and you know, I just had to learn

499
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Speaker 1: a totally new position. You know my senior in college,

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Speaker 1: it was like just being thrown a tight end and

501
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Speaker 1: see what you can do, which created a lot of

502
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Speaker 1: Mitch matches. And I've seen what it was doing with

503
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Speaker 1: the offense, and um, I knew I had to. You know,

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Speaker 1: I knew I had to. I would say, like a

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Speaker 1: future as tight end, So um, yeah, you know I

506
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Speaker 1: love it. You know JT, he's gonna talk his you know,

507
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Speaker 1: talk his mass and he says fails the left tacklehre

508
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Speaker 1: he's the right tackle. Yeah, you know, and um, you

509
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Speaker 1: know the kid is special. You know JT has a

510
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Speaker 1: great future and he will he will be something special.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how excited I am to see

512
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Speaker 1: Aikin's growth. You talked about Jordan Thomas right there a

513
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: lot of respect between those two guys, and then throwing

514
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Speaker 1: Kyllie Wearing into the mix along with Darren Fells gonna

515
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: be a very interesting position as we've seen it go

516
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Speaker 1: through the iterations. You know, a few years ago it

517
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Speaker 1: was Ryan Griffin and g JF. Norwitz. Before that was

518
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Speaker 1: Garret Graham and Owned Daniels. We talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: the tight ends and what they can do. Drew Dorty

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Speaker 1: and I talked about that on our in the Lab podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll have that for you next. Talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about this tight End group. Well, your Houston Texans

523
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Speaker 1: one final segment of Texans All Access from the Honday

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris, football anild

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Speaker 1: Sylon reporter. Glad to be with you on this Wednesday evening.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Mark Vannimy. We played a little Prices

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Speaker 1: Right Order Them. I don't know if Prices Right has

528
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Speaker 1: a game. Now they've got a game. I think it's

529
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Speaker 1: called most Expensive, which is kind of like order them,

530
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Speaker 1: but it's pretty simple. Didn't hear that. Miss that segment.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out from our app Houston Texas dot

532
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Speaker 1: Com online, but our app to Texans app. You can

533
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: get all of all Access there if you want to

534
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: hear that. And it was pretty fun. It was a

535
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Speaker 1: good time, and it's it's a way to talk about

536
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Speaker 1: a lot of different topics but do it in a

537
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Speaker 1: hopefully a little fun fashions. So we did that. We

538
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Speaker 1: talked to Jordan Nakens last segment. We had a good

539
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Speaker 1: time catching up with Jordan when he came in here

540
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Speaker 1: for Texas Media Days last week and that's a guy.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to him, you realize, Okay, this guy

542
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Speaker 1: he's been a professional athlete. Now this is second year

543
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Speaker 1: as an NFL player, but he had been a professional

544
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Speaker 1: athlete in the baseball realm, and you can tell he's

545
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Speaker 1: a fantastic guy. Hopefully will get a lot more chances

546
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Speaker 1: to talk to Jordan Nakins now that he is no

547
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Speaker 1: longer a rookie, even though he was older and much

548
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Speaker 1: more mature than most rookies. He's got a contributed last

549
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Speaker 1: year and hopefully he's got big things in store for

550
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. And speaking of the tight ends, Drew Doherty

551
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Speaker 1: and I do a podcast called in the Lap, and

552
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Speaker 1: each and every week we do, Yeah, we kind of

553
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: geek out, We nerd out on us things. The last

554
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: couple of in the Lapse, we went back and looked

555
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Speaker 1: at previous drafts to two thousand and three draft, in

556
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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten drafts and we redrafted him for

557
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Speaker 1: the Texans. Pretty interesting. We'll do that again. But yesterday,

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Speaker 1: right before OTA's kicked off, at least the ones that

559
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: we could see, we talked about the tight ends, amongst

560
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: other things. But I figured for this snippet, you can

561
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Speaker 1: hear the whole thing iTunes, Stitcher. I think you can

562
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: get it through the app. Go follow Drew and I

563
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Doherty Drew, at you Harris Football. You

564
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: can get it there. You want to hear the whole podcast,

565
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: and please do and give a rating or do whatever

566
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: you gotta do with your podcast. But we talked about

567
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Speaker 1: the tight end position and how excited we are about

568
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Speaker 1: what this group can do. Obviously, no more Ryan Griffin.

569
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Speaker 1: He was released earlier this week or last week, right

570
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Speaker 1: the end of the the last week, and became official on Monday.

571
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Speaker 1: But you've got a group maybe as good as you've

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Speaker 1: had with Darren Fells being brought in, the two rookies

573
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Speaker 1: last year, the two George Jordan Akens, Jordan Thomas, and

574
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Speaker 1: then the twenty nineteen draft pick in a third round

575
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Speaker 1: wearing a lot of different pieces, unique pieces, and Drew

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Speaker 1: and I talked about that and this tight end group,

577
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Speaker 1: the Texans tight end position. It didn't do a whole

578
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Speaker 1: heck of a lot last year as far as numbers,

579
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Speaker 1: but there was a lot of promisor. You had four

580
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Speaker 1: touchdowns from Jordan Thomas, he had some big catches from

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Speaker 1: Jordan Nakins and Ryan Griffin, he's moved on. Team cut

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Speaker 1: him yesterday. He was there. He had some some moments.

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Speaker 1: But those two guys, Aikins and Thomas were your main

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Speaker 1: pass catchers at tight end. But you've really added to

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Speaker 1: the stable because they're coming back with another year of

586
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Speaker 1: experience and you think a year of improvement. But now

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Speaker 1: you also have Darren Fells, who's a veteran. He's been around.

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Speaker 1: He called himself in an interview I did with him

589
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Speaker 1: last week, he said, I'm a left left tackle. He's

590
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Speaker 1: like an extra lineman's and he's kind of underselling himself

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Speaker 1: because he's caught ten touchdowns the last four years. That's

592
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good number. That's better than what the

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Speaker 1: current crop has and what the last crop had as

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Speaker 1: far as numbers. You also have a veteran Andrell Adams,

595
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Speaker 1: who was bounced around. He was with the Giants and

596
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: he played a little bit there. He played all sorts

597
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Speaker 1: of or at least practice that all sorts of tight

598
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Speaker 1: end positions last spring, and then he signed him to

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Speaker 1: a futures deal late in the season, right at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season. And then you've drafted Khalli Wearing,

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Speaker 1: who we saw really fascinating things from here in Houston,

602
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Speaker 1: not to mention the great stuff we'd seen him from

603
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Speaker 1: him on tape, because it's there's an interesting podcast out

604
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Speaker 1: there that I listened to about a week or so

605
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: ago with a guy who covered him in college in

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Speaker 1: San Diego, and he talked about how that offense didn't

607
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Speaker 1: really have a good quarterback. Yeah, okay, yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: a running offense. Yeah totally. And so this guy Wearing

609
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Speaker 1: was there. He was their main target, you know when

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Speaker 1: they went to the pass and he was he was

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Speaker 1: really good and he didn't this this guy was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing him drop many passes or at

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Speaker 1: least passes that mattered. Ye. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: promise there. But the main overwriting, overarching characteristic of this

615
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Speaker 1: room is the athleticism. I mean, you got two guys

616
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Speaker 1: who played professional sports in other other leagues, other other sports.

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Speaker 1: You get a professional basketball player in Fells, I mean

618
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Speaker 1: his college did not even have a football team, right,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play college football, right. And you have a

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Speaker 1: professional baseball player in Jordan Nakens. He spent four years

621
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Speaker 1: in the minors and the Rangers system. Plus you got

622
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Speaker 1: big Baby Thomas who is just he was a wide receiver.

623
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Speaker 1: He's a freak, although he's quick to point out, hey,

624
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Speaker 1: I played tight end in junior college. So he doesn't

625
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: want this like this idea out there that he can't

626
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Speaker 1: block or he can't Yeah, his feathers got a little

627
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Speaker 1: ruffle when we talked to him and I mentioned that

628
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: final season Missisippi State playing receiver, and he kind of

629
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Speaker 1: kind of looked down. He didn't really want to get confrontational.

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Speaker 1: Kind of well, you know, I played I played tight

631
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Speaker 1: end in in junior college, so it's not as if

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. You're right, That's

633
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of the stance. I excited about this tight

634
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: end I really I think it. We're gonna see more

635
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: productivity and more diversity on offense because of them. Over

636
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: the years, Texans have had pretty interesting tight end groups.

637
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: You had, and I mean, I'm going back to two

638
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, you know before that, you know Billy

639
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: Miller obviously as the first touchdown in history, but really

640
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of clicked when Ode. He's the gold standard

641
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to Yeah, I mean, it kind of

642
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: clicked with OD. And then they brought in Garrett Graham

643
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: so they had OD and Garrett Graham, and then when

644
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the Texas drafted CJ, took a little off for CJ

645
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: to sort of get it, but then when he did

646
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, like, whoa, this thing's taken off, and

647
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: you just wish that CJ could have stayed healthy. But

648
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: then you had CJ and you had Grift together. But

649
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: this group is so different from the other ones because yes,

650
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: those were two and a lot of times you're with

651
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: two tight ends, you don't really go to three or

652
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: four tight ends. But I think with these, this group

653
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: the top one in particular. And I don't want to

654
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: leave Darrell out of this, but it's been a while.

655
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Darrell at South Carolina, was very intrigued

656
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: by his athleticism what he was going to be able

657
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: to do. So the year view he was drafted, he

658
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: put up great combine numbers. Yeah, he's a he's kind

659
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: of freaky, but you know, he's one of those guys

660
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: that's not quite a tight end and not quite a

661
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver, so he's kind of like in between. So

662
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna be he's gonna be fun to watch in

663
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: training camp. Obviously, no tas in training camp. But you

664
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: mentioned it drew number one. The different sports those guys

665
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: played that helps. I mean, look at Kylie. I mean

666
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: he didn't play professional sports and those others, but a

667
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: couplayed water polos swimming. Waba. Yeah, he's tremendous basketball cross

668
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: country if you haven't seen Kylie Warrings dunk show that

669
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: he put on at San Diego State, which is just incredible. Um.

670
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: But then you've got Akins who play Major League Baseball.

671
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Thomas was a heck of a basketball player. Mean,

672
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Thomas said, look our tight end room plus Hopkins

673
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: would dominate anyone in a basketball court, which I thought

674
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: it was pretty interesting. And then you bring in a

675
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: guy like Darren Fells, and and what was interesting we

676
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: had we had Jordan in here, and why I had

677
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: not met Darren Fells, so I wasn't totally sure. So

678
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: when he walked in, when I saw him, he's sort

679
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: of like Roderick Johnson's kind of balding with a beard,

680
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: and so I was like Roger Johnson, I was like, well,

681
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think right, So I was like a guy.

682
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: So as I were talking to JT, I'm like kind

683
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: of looking like man who is it? And at some

684
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: point Jordan looks back there and sees him and then

685
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: he mentions Darren Fells. I was like, oh, okay, that's Fells.

686
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: And Jordan was the one saying. We said to Jordan, like, okay,

687
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: are you giving up the are you giving up the

688
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: emergency left tackle spot? And Jordan Thomas kind of looks

689
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: that not ask my boy Darren Fells. What I like

690
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: about it? Was as soon as Fellas walked in the building,

691
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Thomas gravitated towards him and was like, teach me everything. Yeah,

692
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: since said teach me everything and kind of taking him

693
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: under his wing. And Fells enjoys that. He loves that part.

694
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: And I like the fit of all these guys. I mean,

695
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you can look at him and go, Okay, if you

696
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: need somebody to just run block, just knock your block off,

697
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: that's Darren Fells. But because he can't catch the ball

698
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: and he's got that athleticism, teams can't just go, oh,

699
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Fells is in run run get me. They're gonna think that. Yeah,

700
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: So you can use his athleticism as a pastor as

701
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: a past two of help Jordan Nakins minds up everywhere

702
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: on the field as a receiver, as a sniffer, as

703
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: h I mean, wherever he wants up. Everybody ever heard that?

704
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Somebody just why I haven't heard that, but other people

705
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: listening probably haven't heard. Yeah, you heard that? Full disclosure sniffer?

706
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: What what the hell's that? Okay? Well, um, it's kind

707
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: of a it's a fullback position, but you're a little

708
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: bit closer to the line of stream sniffing the guy's

709
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: butt in front of you. Basically there there you go.

710
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: That's why it's called that. So you're you're like a fullback,

711
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: but you're a little closer. Yeah, So it's basically a

712
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: fullback spot. Um, more fullback than his h back. So

713
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: CJ used to line up in that spot. In fact,

714
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: I think one of the great plays the twenty sixteen

715
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: season is out from Blues touchdown round against Cincinnati on

716
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: a Christmas Eve night and CJ makes a great block

717
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: from that position. So they were in gun and he

718
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: was in a niffer and he came in wailed linebacker

719
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: blue following him and went for a touchdown and game

720
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: the lead that they would win. So you've got Jordani

721
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: can line all over the place, the Jordan Aikins. Jordan

722
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Thomas can line up as a why tight end. He

723
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: can do some of the same things Aikins can. Obviously,

724
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: you sell the past receiving skills last year, and then

725
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: you bring in a guy to Kylie Wearing, who if

726
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: you put him opposite DeAndre Hopkins in the passing game,

727
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: just hop on one side, Wearing on the other, or

728
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: hop in fuller on one side, Wearing on the other.

729
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times did we see Rob Gronkowski

730
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: against US one on one where a bunch of receivers

731
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: to one side and Grons on the other side, like

732
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: one on one multiple times? You can do that with

733
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Wearing. So I like the way that

734
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: these pieces all fit together. I like it too, And

735
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I said, the overarching theme of this group is the athleticism.

736
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: The second thing I think about. The two main things

737
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: I think about when I think about this group is

738
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: first in goal inside the five. You've a chance to

739
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: be a real pain in the ass offense with all

740
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: these tight ends because you, like you just said, you

741
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: have Hopkins and you add in you could you could

742
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: add in three of these guys at Hopkins and you

743
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: can line them up in a variety of ways, and

744
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: it's it's so much fun what you might be able

745
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: to do to that end the mismatches. You made me

746
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: think about that because you just said inside the five

747
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: yard line? How much do you think that night against Dallas,

748
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: that afternoon against Buffalo where they got inside the five

749
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: yard line? That was the That was the That was

750
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: the main point of contention the early part of the

751
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: year when the Texans were struggling. How much you guys

752
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: can't convert in the red zone. How much do you

753
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: think that played into signing Fells, drafting a guy like Wearing,

754
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: how much do you think that played in? I think

755
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I've a pretty big role. I'm sure quite a bit,

756
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: because you also want to be able to run the

757
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: ball better, and you theoretically do that with tight ends

758
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and bigger bodies in their blocking. Yeah, I think so.

759
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: It was definitely something that they had to work on,

760
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and they got better at it as the year progresses.

761
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: That the windstreak kept going. But yeah, until you get

762
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: to November, that was a real bugaboo as far as

763
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: get points out of the red zone. Because I got

764
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: asked this, I was on Texas Radio today and they

765
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: asked me, Oli Buchanan was on. I went on a

766
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: little earlier than I normally do, and so Obie was on,

767
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: and they're gay back. They're tremendous guys, but they're both

768
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans. And so the question became who's got a

769
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: better shot of getting to the Super Bowl. Who's got

770
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: a better shot at getting the Super Bowl? First, Cowboys

771
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: or Texans. Of course I've vouched for the Texans. But

772
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: it got me thinking about that Dallas game. And yeah,

773
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: everybody saw it with overtime and Texas had winning overtime

774
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: at home and all that kind of stuff. The Texans

775
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: score inside the five yard line, that's not even a contest.

776
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Chris collins Worth and Al Michaels are going to their

777
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: blowout material. The Texans just scored inside the five yard line. Now,

778
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: part of it was the fact that Dallas is pretty

779
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: good defensively, but they moved the ball up and down

780
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: the field and just inside the five. And so that's

781
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: what made me think about Fells. So made me think

782
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: about wearing because one of the things about wearing, you know,

783
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: when you when I heard his name on Draft night,

784
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: just immediately thoughts flood like, Okay, I gottized organized my

785
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: thoughts here, but here are all the different things that hit.

786
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: And then I got to that one about about Gronk,

787
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: and look, Bill having been there with the Patriots, drafted

788
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: Gronk and coaching Gronk and all that, like, that's a

789
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: that's an easy comparison, and nobody's ever gonna be Gronk.

790
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Well does he does? He kind of seem more like

791
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Hernandez as far as a player, Well, yeah, I

792
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: think here, yeah, I think he's more like Travis Kelsey

793
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: than he is. Yeah. Yeah, between the two that they

794
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: drafted in twenty ten. Yeah, he's closer to Hernandez than

795
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: he is Gronk. He's got he's got kind of skill

796
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: sets of both. He's bigger than Hernandez, but he's not

797
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the ogre that Gronk was. He's got the athleticism that

798
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: Gronk had, but he's not quite, not all the way

799
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: there that Hernandez. I mean, her Nan should have been

800
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: a first round but we know his issues before he

801
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: even got to the Patriots. But to me, when I

802
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: watched him and in college he's moren eighty seven, he

803
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: looked a lot like Kelsey and they and Santego. State

804
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: used him a lot like Travis Kelsey. So that's kind

805
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: of who came to my when I when I saw him,

806
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: when I watched him during Rookie Minicamp. He and maybe

807
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: it's just the number, but he looked more like a

808
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: souped up o D But just the way that he

809
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: was getting separation, he was getting open the way at

810
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: natural hands get excited about you now gotta stay gotta

811
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: stay healthy, do it, gotta be durable, and you gotta

812
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: do it at at this level. So you know, I

813
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of people were like, I don't want

814
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: to say overly excited, but people were excited about what

815
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: Collie Warren was doing. And I said this after Rookie Minicamp. Yeah,

816
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: it's it's great to look look better than the rookies,

817
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: but when the vets come, okay, that's a that's a

818
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: different story. But Collie looked so much different than everybody.

819
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Well we were Roie. He looked so different, like he

820
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: stood out as it got like why why does the

821
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: veteran rookie miniicamp? Well we talked about it with Mark

822
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: and dep The three that I've seen in my time

823
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: here that clearly were different than everybody else. Three other

824
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: ones besides Collie where JJ Watt, DeAndre Hopkins, and Kiki

825
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Qtea Whatt. Because he didn't have rookie mini camp. He

826
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: came straight in and it was try camp and he

827
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: was out there with the vets and every time, it

828
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: felt like every fourth pass that he was he was covering,

829
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: you heard a thump because he was he was knocking down.

830
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: I was like, gosh, he gets his hands on a

831
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of balls, okay. And then Hopkins a couple of

832
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: years later comes in catches every single thing thrown his way,

833
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: and then QT last year sort of the same type

834
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: of thing. We knew he was fast, and we knew

835
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: he was shifty, but we were I was blown away

836
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: by his hands. I mean he was he was making

837
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: one hand, one hand to catches a lot like Hopkins.

838
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: And so those three guys really were so much so

839
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: advancing in comparison to the other rookies that we've seen

840
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: over the years. So that was one of the things

841
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: in watching QT on tape at Texas Tech, It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you see a lot of slot receivers Andy Isabella,

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Speaker 1: curious to see how they use him. But Andy Isabella

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Speaker 1: can fly. Qt wasn't as fast as Isabella, but I

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Speaker 1: watched his belt Senior Bowl and balls are clanking off

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Speaker 1: his shoulder pad. He just didn't have great hands. But

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Speaker 1: I was watching Keiki and studying him. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 1: he's got glue sticks for hands. Like he's reaching up

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Speaker 1: and snagging the ball, and he did that through throughout

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Speaker 1: the year. And when your slot receiver gives you a

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Speaker 1: throwing radius because he doesn't have a big radius because

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Speaker 1: a small guy, But when he can give you that

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Speaker 1: throwing radius, like you don't have to be perfect, but

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Speaker 1: he can snatch it and go get it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just think, man, if you just the athleticism you have,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man in the past catching chord. Now,

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Speaker 1: if it all comes together, this sofense could be a

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Speaker 1: real pain in the ass for a posy. There's no question.

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Speaker 1: Real pain in the ass, no, no question. And that's

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Speaker 1: whatsoever understandably, So people want better protection and people want

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got the chance. He could really just

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Speaker 1: light some people up this shirt. That was one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts, not just that part but also what

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Speaker 1: we discussed in that podcast. To go check it out

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Speaker 1: in the Lab Gusts. Check out Deep and Vanimer's view

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Speaker 1: on iTunes. Go find it I Believe on the website

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Speaker 1: ustext dot com. Go check out our Twitter feed at Houston, Texans.

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Speaker 1: Go get the app. Make sure you download the app

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Speaker 1: because that's where you can get it and get everything

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Speaker 1: You get alerts, I get alerts and it's pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: Kind of cool too. It's like, hey, check out tell

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Speaker 1: us straight it with John Harrison's like, oh let's see

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Speaker 1: what I did today and I like it, So you

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Speaker 1: guys will like it too, and check out the podcast,

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Speaker 1: give us a rating, give us feedback, and we will

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Speaker 1: try and incorporate that. But in the Lives is basically

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Speaker 1: a way for drewn out, a geek out, dork out

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Speaker 1: about stuff that sometimes we can talk about a radio

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Speaker 1: and sometimes we don't. But tight ends obvious there's something

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Speaker 1: that we'll talk about anywhere anytime, TV radio, on vinyl

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Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be. So go check out

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Speaker 1: into the Lab podcast, big thanks to Mark, to Drew

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Speaker 1: and to Jordan Aiken's like a lot of tight ends

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Speaker 1: tonight and what they can do tomorrow night Mark will

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Speaker 1: be back. It'll be the two of us taking you

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Speaker 1: through on Thursday evening, so we will see you then

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Speaker 1: and as always, go Texans.