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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Now, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about something that for for a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of straight shooting kids in middle school and

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Speaker 1: maybe even high school, was a terrifying subject. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about marijuana. That's right, conspiracy realist, left hand cigarettes,

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Speaker 1: the Devil's tobacco, Uncle Jimmy's Brain, medicine, nap nuggets, yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh pot. I'm a big fan of the Devil's lettuce.

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Speaker 1: That's one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, uh grass uh, stuff

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Speaker 1: that I was terrified of when I was in middle

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Speaker 1: school in high school. You've nailed it already. Did your

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Speaker 1: parents make you watch Reefer Madness? Man? No, No, they

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Speaker 1: just said, don't be messing around with that stuff. Matt

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Speaker 1: and I said okay, they said, himp belongs in a necklace,

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Speaker 1: and some some people came to my school and they

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Speaker 1: And then the police had guns and they were like,

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Speaker 1: They came to my school and brought a giant like

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Speaker 1: one and that one. It just it wasn't a very

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Speaker 1: good Uh. They didn't do a good scared straight um

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Speaker 1: for in my experience. Yeah, as an award winning essayist

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Speaker 1: You take them differently, so you snort cocaine and then

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Speaker 1: it's weird because for many people growing up in the West,

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Speaker 1: uh exaggerated propagandistic stories that came again from a good place.

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Speaker 1: a crutch of some sort or another, especially when you're

427
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Speaker 1: talking about something like CBD that doesn't have that the

428
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Speaker 1: fun part, right, but it has the the medicinal effect

429
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: of like a pain killer. Well I would I would say,

430
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: you know, when an addiction is widely misunderstood and the

431
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: mental aspect is just often just as powerful, you know

432
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Speaker 1: what I mean, That's why people get addicted to routines

433
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: that have no no real physiological impact. Right. So this

434
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Speaker 1: is strange because now we have to now we have

435
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: to address something that is a controversial, ongoing topic in

436
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Speaker 1: the debate about marijuana here in the United States and

437
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: to be fair abroad, and that is this let's call

438
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: it medicine or mumbo jumbo. So there are people who say, okay,

439
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: marijuana should be legal, it should only be medicinal There

440
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: are people who say marijuana should be you know it's

441
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: katie bar, the door should be recreational. You're over a

442
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: certain age, do what you want forward the future. It's

443
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: a brave new world. And have you ever really listened

444
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: to music, if you ever really felt that groove? This

445
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: this is what they do. They point to research into

446
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: the perceived medical benefits of marijuana, and there are some

447
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: well established aspects here. The most common one, by far,

448
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the most common argument for medical marijuana in the US,

449
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: is for pain control. You know, we'd no matter how

450
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: strong it is, right, how strong people tell you it is,

451
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: it's pain relieving effect is not going to be strong

452
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: enough to get you through, say, the severe pain of

453
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: instantly being in a car accident. There's the reason why

454
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: E m T s don't automatically give people in intensely

455
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: traumatic car accidents a weed brownie. You know what I mean.

456
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: It's is effective though, for chronic pain, and chronic pain

457
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: is a huge problem for millions of people in this country,

458
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: especially as people age. It is whether you love it

459
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: or hate it or don't care. Uh, marijuana and it's

460
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: different derivative products are all safer than opiates. You can't

461
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Speaker 1: really overdose on it. Addiction debate aside, it is far

462
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: less addictive than an opioid. It can also people will argue,

463
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Speaker 1: They'll say it will take the place of things like

464
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Speaker 1: advil or leave if you can't use those things due

465
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Speaker 1: to you know, their delatorious effects on the kidneys or

466
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe they they interact with pre existing ulcers

467
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Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, and and you know, marijuana for a

468
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: long time has been purported to do a ton of

469
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Speaker 1: other helpful things like easing just nerve pain in general,

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Speaker 1: like that chronic pain or just other general pain. It's

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Speaker 1: said to be able to act as a muscle relaxant.

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Speaker 1: And uh people, well, I mean, actually, we know that

473
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Speaker 1: it's been shown to lesson tremor's in Parkinson's disease, and

474
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, um, the seizures in epilepsy, like it

475
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Speaker 1: has been shown to do this. And you know, it

476
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Speaker 1: does feel as though, at least if you're looking at

477
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Speaker 1: it from the reporting and the scientific you know, uh,

478
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Speaker 1: reports that have been coming out on it for years

479
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: and years and years now, it seems to have lots

480
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Speaker 1: of beneficial effects. And you know, I mean the old

481
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: getting the munchies quality of weed is actually a very

482
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Speaker 1: very powerful and important thing for folks who are going

483
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Speaker 1: through cancer treatment. Let's say, who don't want to eat

484
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: because they're constantly nauseous, or they're just don't don't feel well.

485
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to you don't have an

486
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Speaker 1: appetite if you're constantly in pain, and marijuana absolutely does

487
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Speaker 1: give you an increased appetite. Yeah. Yeah, it's in addition

488
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Speaker 1: to being a muscle relaxant, uh into a general pain

489
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Speaker 1: uh pain lessener I'm making it, yeah, and something that

490
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: can generally suppress pain, it also suppresses nausea, It relieves

491
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Speaker 1: eye pressure, decreases muscle spasm, stimulates the appetite, stops convulsions,

492
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Speaker 1: and uh apparently can go a long way toward eliminating

493
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Speaker 1: menstrual pain. This just full disclosure. There was an Illuminati

494
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Speaker 1: Global Unlimited commercial for some related products. However, due to

495
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Speaker 1: the sticky federal status of marijuana, they pulled out at

496
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Speaker 1: the last second. So sticky federal status of the icky,

497
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Speaker 1: sticky icky Yeah. It's also because of these therapeutic effects

498
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Speaker 1: used to treat symptoms of conditions that are often incurable.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about AIDS for example. Right as we said,

500
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: your stomach feels a little better, You're finally able to eat.

501
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Glaucoma and epilepsy and even multiple sclerose is. Multiple sclerosis

502
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: in particular is an area where there there aren't a

503
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Speaker 1: ton of options for treatment. You know, um, people who

504
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: have taken things like neuroton lyrica or obi It's find

505
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: them to be effective, but having to also have this

506
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: massive sedative effect, right, or sedating effect. So they'll say, look,

507
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I could take these drugs that will knock me out

508
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: like I've been hit with uh you know, uh industrial

509
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: level tranquilizer. But if I ingest marijuana in some way,

510
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I was doing beforehand, or whatever

511
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I don't feel completely out

512
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Speaker 1: of it. I don't feel like I'm on a mandatory

513
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Speaker 1: forced nap where I'm somehow mentally checked out. I still

514
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Speaker 1: feel present. But these claims remain controversial, and part of

515
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: it is because there are a ton of for everyone

516
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Speaker 1: sort of scientifically supported claim about ben of fits of

517
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: this substance. There are ten twelve fifty seven sixty nine

518
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Speaker 1: nice uh different ideas or claims about other stuff that

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Speaker 1: marijuana can purportedly do, and to some people make no mistake.

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00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Marijuana transcends medicine entirely. Like it's a it's a a

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Speaker 1: substantial part of the religion of Rastafarianism, you know, and

522
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: people will say, okay, you know this is a holy

523
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: thing to me. I take this in some way as

524
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: part of my religious practices. Right. So, marijuana it occupies

525
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: a unique space in the world of like drugs or sacrament.

526
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: But of course there's a conspiracy because some people say,

527
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, marijuana may do more. I'm waving

528
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: my finger in the air here, yeah, marijuana may help paying.

529
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: But it does more than that, you see, they are

530
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Speaker 1: Marijuana has been unfairly vilified and banned, not because it

531
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: is dangerous to humans, but because it is instead dangerous

532
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: to the financial status quo of things like big pharma

533
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: and the healthcare industry. We they argue, can actually cure cancer.

534
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: I know many of us are saying, wait, what, that's

535
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Speaker 1: what this episode is about. Yes, it wasn't. It wasn't

536
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Speaker 1: a title of guys, just people forgot because of the

537
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: short term memory loss thing, you know, because everybody listening

538
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: to this is here's where it gets crazy. It is true,

539
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: well at least it's true that some people believe marijuana

540
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: can cure cancer. We have a specific example just to

541
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: give you a more humanistic, qualitative or anecdotal account here.

542
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: So a then sixty year old gentlem by the name

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Speaker 1: of Mike Cutler claimed that cannabis oil cured him of

544
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: cancer of the liver, which he had been diagnosed within

545
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, actually received a liver transplant the

546
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: same year, and then the cancer came back in late

547
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: after he learned about cannabis oil from a YouTube video.

548
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: No less sure his doctor was all about that, and

549
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: you know it's like YouTube or web md as the

550
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: doctor's worst enemy. Um. Cutler said that he began to

551
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: take the oil and his pain disappeared in only three days.

552
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Then a biopsy at the Royal Free Hospital in London

553
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: proved that his cancer as cells had in fact vanished. Yep.

554
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: That was great for a time, but he got diagnosed

555
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: with lung cancer in July and unfortunately he passed away

556
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: in December. So the this is just one example, and

557
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: there are multitudes of similar stories, perhaps some some stories

558
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: that will come to us directly from you listening in

559
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: some of these stories. Here's the thing, a lot of

560
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: them end with someone uh, someone ultimately dying of cancer

561
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: because it pops up somewhere else in their body. But

562
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: in other stories there are inexplicable remissions, and it does

563
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: seem that the cancer cells not only disappear like they

564
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: did the Royal Free Hospital in London, but that they

565
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: disappear for good. And this leads to these conspiratorial claims,

566
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: and they're very they're very familiar. They differ a little

567
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: bit in the specifics, but if we look at it academically,

568
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: we see the same trends time and time again. And

569
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Speaker 1: it's this. Many people who believe cannabis can cure all

570
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: or some types of cancer, that it functions as a

571
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: panacea for cancer, also believe that this is not they're

572
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: they're not some like a person who's hip to a

573
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: secret truth of the world. They believe this is common

574
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Speaker 1: knowledge at the top of the medical industry. And the

575
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: argument goes like this, it's more profitable for big pharma

576
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: or insert medical boogeyman here to sell synthetic drugs or

577
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: even substances that are derived ultimately from cannabis, and instead

578
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: of curing patients, lock them into a subscription service. Yeah,

579
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: we talked about this so many times on the show

580
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: before the cons true, well, the cons yes. On the

581
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: base level, it is true that if you can lock

582
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: someone into a subscription service of any kind, it is

583
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: a better business model for you. And that goes for

584
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: everything from the media you consume, to the drugs you take,

585
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: to the sickness you have. In this case, in a

586
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: very messed up way, it makes more sense to sell

587
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: someone a monthly service than to just cure them so

588
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: they don't have to buy anything from you. Ever. Again,

589
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: right from a business perspective, from a capitalist perspective, why

590
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: would someone what would a company allow a plant that

591
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: grows wild and is readily cheaply available uh to to

592
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: eat into your profits when you all you have to do,

593
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: all you have to do is prime the pump a

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00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: little bit with some lobbying millions and make sure that

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00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: the plant is illegal. You can do it through racist propaganda,

596
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: or you can just sponsor uh the right politicians to

597
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: push that bill through and then after that plants illegal.

598
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: You can get a loophole in the bill whereby you

599
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: sell proprietary, expensive derivatives and they're the only game in town,

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00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you could you could pay.

601
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I I don't know how much people pay for weed,

602
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: but you know you could pay buy like by like

603
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: a joint and smoke it, or you could get a

604
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: plus dollar a month prescription that just kept you popping

605
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: pills to repress your chronic pain while not at all

606
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: curring the condition. So it's bad for the people, but

607
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: it's great for the companies. And the fact that this

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00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: does not seem outright impossible. The fact that, like you said, Matt,

609
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: there are similar cases where stuff like this has happened,

610
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Speaker 1: even if they don't evolve weed, that fact should disturb

611
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: everyone listening. You know, we no longer think of this

612
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: as some way out there uh quote unquote tinfoil had

613
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. We all listen to this, and we we

614
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: think of stories we've heard in recent years and a goo. Yeah,

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00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. It does feel at least to make

616
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot more sense than one would hope. But is

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Speaker 1: it true. We'll dive into that after a word from

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Speaker 1: our sponsor. M all right, we are back. Now, let's

619
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Speaker 1: jump right into this. Uh and and let's let's kind

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Speaker 1: of aim at the more skeptical people in the audience,

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Speaker 1: if if you don't mind, everyone listening. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: speaking with you. Now that's the non high ones, right,

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Speaker 1: Uh well, I don't know, it just depends. But let's

624
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: let's consider just this concept of an industry, specifically health

625
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: care industry, of some sort of big pharma suppressing cannabis

626
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: without some kind of miraculous cancer cure, without it being

627
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: a cancer cure. Right, So let's look to because that

628
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: year the Guardian found that some farm pharmaceutical companies were

629
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Speaker 1: putting money, a lot of money, just pouring it into

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00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: the fight to keep weed illegal. And they weren't alone.

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Speaker 1: Other companies that sell a product that is meant to

632
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: have a similar effect, alcohol companies were doing the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So strangely enough, they kind of alcohol and healthcare found

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Speaker 1: themselves on the same side, right, big alcohol, I guess, yeah,

635
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: big booze about that. Uh yeah, yeah. This this is

636
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing because their motivation, from what we can tell,

637
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: seems to be less a matter of hiding some miraculous

638
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Speaker 1: cure and more a matter of protecting their financial interests,

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Speaker 1: protecting their market share in what I'd like to call

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Speaker 1: the intoxication racket. You know, it really does make sense

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Speaker 1: if you if you think about it for a few moments. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Ryman, who was manager of Marijuana Law and Policy

643
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Speaker 1: of the Drug Policy Alliance UH, an advocacy group that

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Speaker 1: promotes drug reforms, said, we've definitely seen a more active

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Speaker 1: opposition from the pharma industry. Research conducted by myself and

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Speaker 1: others shows that medical cannabis patients are substituting cannabis for

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Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals at a very high rate and for alcohol at

648
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Speaker 1: a pretty high rate as well. So this is a

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Speaker 1: financial threat maybe. And then if we go and look

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Speaker 1: at the old alcohol, I don't know what we call him,

651
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Speaker 1: big alcohol. Uh, the the inebriati. Oh, the Inebrioti. I

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Speaker 1: didn't make that up. That's from some comedy writers that

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Speaker 1: I enjoy. Well, hey, comedy writers, whoever you are, Fanche Oh,

654
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Speaker 1: Mitchell and Webb Oh yeah in Nebrioti. Oh Man, thanks guys.

655
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Speaker 1: I could listen to the for hours. So let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Arizona Wine and Spirits Wholesale Association

657
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Speaker 1: because the this outfit gave one of the largest donations

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Speaker 1: to the Arizona anti anti legalization campaign. It paid ten

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Speaker 1: grand for Arizonan's for Responsible Drug Policy UH they just

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Speaker 1: you know, ten grand isn't a ton of money, but

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Speaker 1: it is a pretty hefty donation. They were very much

662
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Speaker 1: interested in not having marijuana become legalized in Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then the Beer Distributors Political Action Committee recently donated

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Speaker 1: k to the Campaign for a Safe and Healthy Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: making it the state's third largest backer of the opposition

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Speaker 1: to recreational cannabis. I have to say, I'm honestly a

667
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Speaker 1: little um surprised that these numbers aren't higher. I am too. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: the reason they seem smaller is because they're specific donations.

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Speaker 1: If you looked, if you pulled the numbers for maybe

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Speaker 1: Beer Distributors PC overall, you would see these dribs and drabs,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh, kind of like how

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Speaker 1: the Bureau of Public Roads was channeling you know, very

673
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Speaker 1: small amounts across a wide distribution network. That way you

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Speaker 1: can stay out of the news for you know, giving

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Speaker 1: million dollars to the Campaign for a Safe and Healthy Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Here's some irony for you. We got Purdue Pharma and

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Speaker 1: Abbott Laboratories, makers of oxy content and vicaden, which are

678
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Speaker 1: you know, very powerful opioid painkillers. Um, they were among

679
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Speaker 1: the largest contributors to the Anti Drug Coalition of America.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, drug companies contributing to anti drug packs

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is is it is that what you

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Speaker 1: consider that a pack coalition? Look, if you can smoke it,

683
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Speaker 1: noll or snort it, it's not a real DRUGA We'll

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Speaker 1: tell that. The people that crush up and snort oxy content, well, hey,

685
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Speaker 1: that's their medicine. Go back to middle school. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know to see dare ideas. I gotta tell you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I still thought that song slapped. I was they got

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Speaker 1: me with the song. There's a song, yeah, dare so

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the d I'll play it for you

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Speaker 1: off air. Right, So, so there were a couple, I think,

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Speaker 1: But but you're right. And to compound this, the Pharmaceutical

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Speaker 1: Research and Manufacturers of America, this is one of marijuana's

693
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Speaker 1: biggest official opponents, spent almost million dollars on lobbying in

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Speaker 1: and then increased that in twenty six. And they didn't

695
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Speaker 1: This didn't come out of just some brainstorming session. They

696
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Speaker 1: have a lot of quantitative data to back their apprehension

697
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Speaker 1: because in states that have legalized medical marijuana opiate overdoses

698
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Speaker 1: have dropped by roughly twenty five that's a huge number

699
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Speaker 1: in and that's in comparison to states that prohibited sales

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Speaker 1: of marijuana. And this was a study not by some

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Speaker 1: advocacy group paid shadow money. This was a study inteen

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Speaker 1: from the Journal of the American Medical Association, which is

703
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Speaker 1: above legit in most and most of these kinds of conversations,

704
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: think about that they're pouring millions of dollars into legislative

705
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Speaker 1: mechanisms to stop marijuana legalization, not because they're concerned about

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Speaker 1: the health of people, but because it's reducing opioid use.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, I did think about that, Ben, and I

708
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: don't like it. So the studies imply that people could

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Speaker 1: be using medical marijuana to treat their chronic pain rather

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Speaker 1: than the alternative of opioid pain killers, or maybe they're

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Speaker 1: mixing the two and they're taking lower doses of opioids

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Speaker 1: than they would normally be taking, which would of course

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Speaker 1: effect produce bottom line Yeah, that would be bad for Perdue,

714
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Speaker 1: the manufacturer, and for the insurance industry as well. And

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Speaker 1: research by the University of Georgia's show is that medicare

716
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: prescriptions for drugs that would treat chronic pain and anxiety

717
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Speaker 1: also dropped in states that legalized at least medical marijuana.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about the idea, and this is

719
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Speaker 1: an idea that many people believe that marijuana can someha

720
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Speaker 1: cure cancer and has been suppressed by the powers that be,

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Speaker 1: we have to look at the claims, and they're controversial.

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Speaker 1: Going back to our opening anecdote, while Cutler was almost

723
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Speaker 1: certainly correct that marijuana lessened his pain, he did ultimately

724
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Speaker 1: pass away due to cancer. And then we have to

725
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Speaker 1: look at the proven functions, because marijuana does appear to

726
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Speaker 1: be legit at doing some of the things people say

727
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Speaker 1: it does. So let's go into some of the facts.

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Speaker 1: The proven functions of marijuana does appear that it's effective

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Speaker 1: and treating conditions associated with chronic diseases and cancer, and

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Speaker 1: some cannabinoids may have anti cancer qualities. We has not

731
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Speaker 1: been conclusively proven effective at combating cancer itself, though, or

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Speaker 1: has it well For that, Let's check out this recent

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Speaker 1: article from the Journal of the American Medical Association. There's

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Speaker 1: a doctor here, doctor Donald Abrams. He's an integrative oncologist

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Speaker 1: at the University of California, San Francisco. And there's another gentleman,

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Speaker 1: doctor Manuel Guzman, a researcher and professor of biochemistry over

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Speaker 1: at the University of Madrid or the compliments University of Madrid.

738
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Speaker 1: And these guys were very optimistic or at least found

739
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Speaker 1: optimistic results um when they were looking at this pre

740
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Speaker 1: clinical evidence of the anti cancer activities of cannabinoids. It's

741
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. The authors um site studies mainly conducted using

742
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Speaker 1: animal models, so using a testing method of trying it

743
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Speaker 1: out on an animal. Right, and there are four areas

744
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: where cancer fighting effects of cannabinoids were found. Right. Yeah,

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00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: They found they could help induce death of cancer cells,

746
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Speaker 1: while not this is important, while not targeting healthy cells,

747
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: could also block the prolif voration of cancer cells, could

748
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Speaker 1: impair tumor growth, and could inhibit the spread of these

749
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Speaker 1: cancer cells. These are all these all sound very closely related,

750
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: but they are. They are distinct things and very important.

751
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: That's right. Especially again the golden goose here is just

752
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: as much what these substances do not target as it

753
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: is what they do target. So the doctors say, there

754
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: are two other additional areas and they found this in

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00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: vitro and animal studies. They said, cannaboids selectively target cancer cells,

756
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Speaker 1: and they said they can act in synergy with standard

757
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: anti cancer therapies, so they can be kind of a cocktail. Right.

758
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: They have a cumulative effect with other other cancer treatments,

759
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: and they can help mitigate tumor growth without increasing toxicity

760
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: to the host. Because you know, for a long time, UH,

761
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: cures for cancer were incredibly traumatic. Yeah, you're you're introducing

762
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: chemical chemicals into the body that are going to injure you.

763
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Speaker 1: You're gonna lose your hair, They're all kinds of effects

764
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna get from trying to kill off the

765
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: bad things, and it's hurting the rest of your body

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Speaker 1: as well. Right. And the thing is that the authors

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Speaker 1: themselves are not add percent on board with this because

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Speaker 1: they're worried that it'll get twisted out of proportion, as

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Speaker 1: you know, as so often happens with science headlines. They say, look,

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Speaker 1: don't take these results that we found in these very

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Speaker 1: controlled conditions and try to, you know, extrapolate those two

772
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: real life conclusions and make blanket statements about them, and

773
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: make blankets statements exactly. They say, you know, the one

774
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: of the most dangerous things you can do is throw

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00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: conventional treatments out of the water and just start trying

776
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: to mess with really really potent cannabis medicine. Because if

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Speaker 1: you're doing that instead of consulting with a doctor and

778
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: going through proving cancer treatments, you're you're dramatically lowering your

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Speaker 1: chances of recovery. We even have a quote from Dr

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Speaker 1: Abrahams about this, that's right. He says, one of the

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00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: most painful things that I have to deal with are

782
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: people who have potentially curable malignancy who choose to treat

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Speaker 1: it with cannabis oils, and by the time they come

784
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Speaker 1: to see me, they are incurable with metastatic disease. Um.

785
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: He went on to observe the people who claim that

786
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Speaker 1: cannabis cured their cancer often forget that they had already

787
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Speaker 1: used other conventional treatments, which he finds to be particularly misleading. Right,

788
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: maybe they're misattributing the true cause of their improvement right there.

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Speaker 1: This is something that physicians who specialize in cannabis can

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Speaker 1: also agree with. There's a guy named Dr Jeffrey Hergan Rother,

791
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Speaker 1: and I love that name. Uh. He has some of

792
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: the same concerns as these doctors in that Jama article,

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Speaker 1: and he says, look, in some cases, using cannabis has

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Speaker 1: stopped tumor growth or cause the cancer to disappear, but

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00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: in others it didn't work to great effect. And not

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Speaker 1: all cancers are the aims, so of course not all

797
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: cancers respond the same way. But he said, there's an

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Speaker 1: interesting trick of the methodology here because a lot of

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Speaker 1: patients used cannabis and swear by it, used it along

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Speaker 1: with their conventional therapies, and the fact that they used

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Speaker 1: it that way excludes them from being included in the

802
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: National Cancer Institute database. So maybe it's good for them individually,

803
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: but we were lacking law opportunity to build a larger understanding.

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Speaker 1: So long story short, Yes, people believe it. There is

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00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of science behind it, uh, And there

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00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: is truth to the story of these established businesses trying

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Speaker 1: to repress this, likely for a profit motive, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Even if even if there is some panacea,

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Speaker 1: some silver bullet cure for cancer from marijuana, it doesn't matter.

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00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: Even if there's not one, it doesn't matter. These companies

811
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: want to make money. That's that's why they're there. They're

812
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: trying to adapt in an environment where the attitude towards

813
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: cannabis is changing, which it absolutely is right. Research continues,

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Speaker 1: but as of now, experts do agree that the best

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Speaker 1: use of cannabis towards cancer is as a symptom reliever,

816
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Speaker 1: not as a cure. Nausea, appetite, laws, pain, sleep, anxiety,

817
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: all of that stuff are greatly improved by use of cannabas.

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00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. At least some of these

819
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Speaker 1: indications are supported in the landmark Report on the Health

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Speaker 1: Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids that was published by the

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Speaker 1: National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine. So what do

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: you think? This is an ongoing story because research does continue.

823
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Speaker 1: There's more and more research as people are able to

824
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: legally engage in clinical trials, or i should say, as

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00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: it's easier for people to get clinical trials approved. What

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Speaker 1: place should marijuana have in the United States, in the

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Speaker 1: world at large, and in the hospitals in those countries

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Speaker 1: and on our planet? Let us know. You can find

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt Frederick. Cool, I'm just show king. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Frederick underscore my heart. I believe good luck

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