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Speaker 1: Luck and load down. Michael Very Show is on the air.

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Speaker 2: All right, Clinton, you called down the thunder, Well, now.

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Speaker 1: You've got it. You see that it says United States Marshall.

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Speaker 3: Don't kill me.

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Speaker 2: Take a good look at him, Mike, because that's how

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Speaker 2: you're gonna hand on.

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Speaker 1: The cowboys are finished. Do you understand me? I see

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Speaker 1: a red sass, I kill.

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Speaker 4: My man wearing it?

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Speaker 5: So run, cur Bred, Come all the other curves alive comming?

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Speaker 1: Do you tell them I'm coming? And Hell's comment with me,

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Speaker 1: your heir.

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Speaker 2: Hell comment with that very serious, very for some of

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Speaker 2: thing's out of control, but we're gonna put it in

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Speaker 2: control very quickly, like we did.

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Speaker 1: On the southern border.

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Speaker 2: I'm announcing a historic action to rest, thank you, our

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Speaker 2: nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor and worse.

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Speaker 2: This is Liberation Day in DC, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: take our capital back. We're taking it back under the

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Speaker 2: authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I'm officially invoking Section seventy forty of the District of

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Speaker 2: Columbia Home Rule Act, you know what that is, and

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Speaker 2: placing the DC Metropolitan Police Department under direct federal control,

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Speaker 2: and you'll be meeting the people that will be directly

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Speaker 2: involved with that. Very good people, but they're tough and

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Speaker 2: they know what's happening, and they're better be In addition,

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Speaker 2: I'm deploying the National Guard to help re establish law

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Speaker 2: order of public safety in Washington, d C. And they're

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Speaker 2: going to be allowed to do their job properly. The

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Speaker 2: murder rate in Washington today is higher than that of Bogata, Columbia,

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Speaker 2: Mexico City. Some of the places that you hear about

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Speaker 2: as being the worst places on.

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Speaker 1: Earth's much higher. This is much higher.

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Speaker 2: The number of car thefs has doubled over the past

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Speaker 2: five years, and the number of car jackings has more

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Speaker 2: than triple murders. And twenty twenty three reached the highest

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Speaker 2: twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Can't be worse our capital city.

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Speaker 6: One of the great complain violent gangs and the left

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Speaker 6: throws at Donald Trump obs of is that he's got

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Speaker 6: a lot of folks from Fox News in his administration. Okay,

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Speaker 6: guilty is charged every single one of them. I like,

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Speaker 6: I think they're doing a good job. They understand messaging.

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Speaker 6: They had careers before Fox News. We don't have to

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Speaker 6: defend our personnel choices. You put Kamala Harris in the

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Speaker 6: vice presidential seat, you put old brain dad Popa in

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Speaker 6: the presidency. You don't get you have lost any high

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Speaker 6: ground to criticize this president's decisions.

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Speaker 1: Things are getting done, period.

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Speaker 6: So Janine Piro, the top lawman, the new sheriff in

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Speaker 6: town in Washington, d C. The US attorney. She spoke

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Speaker 6: at President Trump's press conference where President Trump, in one

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Speaker 6: fell swoop, managed to tell America, Hey, you're going to

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Speaker 6: be able to come to the Capitol and feel safe again. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I imagine that. Imagine the fact that all across America,

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Speaker 6: in small town America where they are safe, people wanted

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Speaker 6: to go to our nation's capital Forrest Gump style, but

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Speaker 6: they didn't want to get mugged, and they were worried about.

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Speaker 1: It, and we couldn't keep you safe in our nation's capital.

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Speaker 6: And he said, I'm embarrassed by this. We're going to

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Speaker 6: fix it. Because we can fix it. We don't need

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Speaker 6: to create structures and blue Ruben committees and stakeholder meaning.

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Speaker 1: We're going to fix it.

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Speaker 6: We're going to arrest bad guys period into story, and

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Speaker 6: then we're going to prosecute them and we're gonna throw

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Speaker 6: them in prison. If they're here illegally, we're going to

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Speaker 6: kick them out of the country. This isn't hard, folks,

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Speaker 6: None of this is hard. It's blocking and tackling, so

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Speaker 6: you has. Attorney Janin Piro spoke at the president's a

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Speaker 6: press conference where she said she sees too much violent

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Speaker 6: crime committed by young punks. Yeah, if you're on the internet,

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Speaker 6: it's all you see.

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Speaker 5: I see too much violent crime being committed by young

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Speaker 5: punks who think that they can get together in gangs

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Speaker 5: anyone else. They don't care where they are. They can

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Speaker 5: and you have a gun. I convict someone of shooting

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Speaker 5: you know what, the judge gets, gives him probation, says

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Speaker 5: you should go to college. We need to go after

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Speaker 5: the DC Council and their absurd laws. We need to

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Speaker 5: get rid of this concept of a no cash fail.

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Speaker 1: We need to recognize that.

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Speaker 5: The people who matter are the law abiding citizens. And

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Speaker 5: it starts today, but it's not going to end today

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Speaker 5: because the President is going to do everything we need

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Speaker 5: to do to make sure that these emboldened criminals understand

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Speaker 5: we see you, we're watching you, and we're going to

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Speaker 5: is this, these kids understand that the jurisdiction is through

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Speaker 5: the state Attorney General Brian Schwab. I did a poster

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Speaker 5: of the young man from Doge who was beaten bloody

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Speaker 5: I can't arrest them, I can't prosecute them. They go

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Speaker 6: It's that simple, folks, It's that simple. You have to

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Speaker 6: actually want to stop the crime. It's just that simple,

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Speaker 6: and the Left doesn't want to. Last night, they took

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Speaker 6: to the streets banging pots and pans. This was the banner.

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Speaker 6: Go outside tonight at dark and start banging pot. Take

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Speaker 6: bang on it until you bring all your neighbors out

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Speaker 1: And when they come out wondering.

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Speaker 6: What this racket is because you're crazy and you're making

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Speaker 6: a bunch of noise, you tell them what's going on.

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Speaker 6: Trump is taking over DC, and we won't have it.

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Speaker 6: We have the right to live here and get murdered,

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Speaker 6: now they tell us, oh, the crime's not bad. Well,

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Speaker 6: do you remember what Joe Biden said on the floor

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Speaker 7: Driving home, my staff, who lives here in the hill,

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Speaker 6: If the people committing the crimes in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 6: They are owned, their votes are owned because they give

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Speaker 1: They've become pets for them to keep and that is

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Speaker 3: From the King of ding It and this other guy,

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Speaker 3: Michael Barry, these you're the kind.

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Speaker 1: Of guys you're like to smacking airs. Yes, a little

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Speaker 1: King George on your drive home.

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Speaker 6: For those of you listening on old fashioned terrestrial radio, ever,

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Speaker 6: stop and think about the fact that we're using almost

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Speaker 6: without amendment, without modification, the same technology that you're great

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Speaker 6: The only thing that has changed if you are driving

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Speaker 6: Yes, Indeed, Earl Scruggs would be picking into grinning Grandpa

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Speaker 6: Kitty Wells, Loretta Lynn. They were strong. They were strong ladies,

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Speaker 1: Somewhere along the way.

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Speaker 6: They got confused and they picked the wrong side of

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Speaker 6: This is our domain. You don't have to watch it,

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Speaker 6: Now you've got women who occupy that position that used

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Speaker 6: Now you've got them doing the most anti women thing possible,

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Speaker 6: stuff is fantastic. Chris Marx, would you like an intro song?

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Speaker 6: we'll do that. Chris Marx is our guest. Welcome to

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Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of what you write. I think

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Speaker 6: And I think there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: So let's just go down the list you posted a

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Speaker 6: Some people constantly criticize you because you don't say what

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Speaker 1: And you said.

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Speaker 6: Quote you don't understand because you don't read. I am

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Speaker 4: An anthoburgenic impact on the.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to get you out of your lane

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Speaker 6: But you get called basically an idiot for having opinions

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Why do you think

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Speaker 6: This this doesn't seem to be an organic, an organic movement.

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Speaker 6: It feels like it has nefarious underpinnings your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, and when they put the work of the

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Speaker 1: Chris, I have to go up now.

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Speaker 6: I messed this line up. Hold on rub against the

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Speaker 6: break one moment. Chris Marks is our guest. You can

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Speaker 6: find him on Twitter's fantastic. They remain scared the death

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Speaker 1: Michael Show going anywhere, even if Trump does you're not, yes,

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Speaker 6: He is, Uh, We're going to learn more about him,

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Speaker 6: I've been following him for a while, and as I

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Speaker 1: I had to cut you off, so good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So back in the nineteen eighties, we really got a

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Speaker 3: wanted to regulate COO two emissions in the context of

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Speaker 3: this new emerging issue at the time, and we're talking

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Speaker 3: about nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight, of this global

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Speaker 3: warming movement, and this was really instigated by the likes

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Speaker 3: of NASA's doctor James Hansen. He was at their daughter

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Speaker 3: Institute for Space Studies for many years.

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Speaker 4: And then, of course, I.

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Speaker 3: Think then Senator Al Gore, who of course became our

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Speaker 3: vice president and kind of the political face of the

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Speaker 3: climate change movement really for the longest time until the

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Speaker 3: course CRETA somewhere came along. But in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: the United Nations really had this kind of policy goal

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Speaker 3: to regulate CO two emissions because this was the way

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Speaker 3: that they could really kind of control it, have leverage

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Speaker 3: over energy companies and manufacturing industry, and so they kind

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Speaker 3: of had the policy car ahead of the scientific course,

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Speaker 3: and they were really looking for to when they formed

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Speaker 3: the UN Environment Program and of course in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: the inter Governmental Panel and Climate Change the IPCC, they

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Speaker 3: had this kind of policy goal to regulate these emissions,

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Speaker 3: and they wanted to find They wanted to bank Royal

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Speaker 3: scientists to have science that supported that policy agenda, and

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Speaker 3: so it was decided virtually a decade ago that almost

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Speaker 3: all scientific research will be funded by the federal government,

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Speaker 3: and that's of course allocated in a portion through Congress each year,

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Speaker 3: through the research and development funds. And when we decided

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Speaker 3: to put politicians and therefore policy goals in charge of

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Speaker 3: that research funding, then we really made science captive of

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Speaker 3: a political agenda. And this is something that Dwight President

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Speaker 3: Dwight D. Eisenhower warned could happen and warned against that.

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Speaker 3: They devised it against going down this route, and is

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one Farewell Address. And now and now we

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Speaker 3: have an army of scientists, these foot soldiers, whose careers

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Speaker 3: their success in academia in order to secure tenure at university,

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Speaker 3: in order to get accolades at these prestigious organizations like

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Speaker 3: AMS and the American Geophysical Union and the Royal Society,

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Speaker 3: their careers depend on the government and being concerned enough

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Speaker 3: about climate change and an environment environmental issues to continue

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Speaker 3: to put money towards their research so that they can

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Speaker 3: have successful careers. And when you put when you when

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Speaker 3: you have this kind of conflict of interest, it really

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Speaker 3: degrades the quality of science and calls into question of

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Speaker 3: modis behind it. And this is interesting because I'm often

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Speaker 3: accused of being a you know, funded for by the

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Speaker 3: fossil fuel industry, which isn't true, but and and that

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Speaker 3: would be a conflict of interest potentially when it comes

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Speaker 3: to conducting research. But they never mentioned the fact that

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Speaker 3: a lot of these organizations like Climate Central and the

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Speaker 3: World Weather Attribution, which blame climate change on extreme weather events,

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Speaker 3: and they cherry pick charts and data to show in

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Speaker 3: cases when you look at the full Bitta Setter's no increase.

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Speaker 3: These organizations are bankrolled by environmental groups and a lot

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Speaker 3: of organizations that donate to advocate for left wing calls,

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Speaker 3: is like planned A Parenthood and of course Dajor donators

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Speaker 3: and family trusts that donate to the Democratic Party. So

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Speaker 3: that's definitely a conflict of interest there. And the government

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Speaker 3: funding the political aspirations behind some of these policies and

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Speaker 3: the science that needs to support them, they're a conflict

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Speaker 3: of interest. So it's when what people always look at,

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Speaker 3: you know, all the the deniers, the skeptics are funded

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Speaker 3: by a.

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Speaker 4: Big oil Well, there's conflict of interest everywhere, and you

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Speaker 4: got to be careful. But so that's something that they

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Speaker 4: never want to address.

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Speaker 6: No, And you know, I think if if a conflict

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Speaker 6: of interest or potential conflict of interest is disclosed up front.

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Speaker 6: I think that's very important. You know, It's like when

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Speaker 6: a witness goes on the stand. I start a life

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Speaker 6: as a lawyer. As long as we understand, you know

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Speaker 6: who's paying this quote unquote expert witness, because that very

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Speaker 6: likely colors what they're doing. We'll still listen to what

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Speaker 6: they have to say, but we do deserve to know that,

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Speaker 6: and then from there we can have the conversation.

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Speaker 1: So many people that do what you do, but from the.

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Speaker 6: Other side, that is, argue this issue and they're being

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Speaker 6: paid by particular interests and don't disclose it. I find

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Speaker 6: that to be disingenuous and very disturbing, particularly when it

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Speaker 6: comes from external agents of the United States whose interest

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Speaker 6: is in slowing down our fossil fuel production and dominance

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Speaker 6: on that subject. I am of the opinion that the

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Speaker 6: burning of several thousand year old dinosaur bones as an

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Speaker 6: energy source is insanely efficient and it makes our quality

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Speaker 6: of life a lot better at a very low cost,

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Speaker 6: with minimal damage to the environment. And it's damage I'm

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Speaker 6: willing to sustain for the improvement and quality of life.

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Speaker 3: Your thought, well, I've always been of the opinion because

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Speaker 3: I kind of be as objective as possible when we

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Speaker 3: all have biases. I have biases. Everybody has bias. Every

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Speaker 3: scientist has biases, whether he or she admits it or not.

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Speaker 3: But I don't really care where our energy comes from

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Speaker 3: that we use to power modern civilization, so long as

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Speaker 3: it is one affordable for the working class and low

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Speaker 3: income families, two it's sustainable, and three it's efficient. So

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Speaker 3: those are free criteria that I have for energy sources.

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Speaker 3: It could come from very farts for all I care,

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Speaker 3: and I don't care. But when you've forced expensive and unreliable,

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Speaker 3: intermittent energy on people, it makes their quality of it

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Speaker 3: lowers their quality of life, and that's not something that

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Speaker 3: we should be aiming for.

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Speaker 4: That's not progress.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of the renewable energy technologies, primarily utility

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Speaker 3: scale wind and utility scale solar, do not fit the

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Speaker 3: description of a sustainable, cost efficient energy source because when

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Speaker 3: they are added to the grid, they don't replace fossil fuels.

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Speaker 3: They have extreme high land requirements and that of course

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Speaker 3: increases property taxes. They have load balancing costs for their

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Speaker 3: intermittency because they're at least efficient energy sources, and all

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Speaker 3: of those once they're factored in to the generation costs

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Speaker 3: actually make them more expensive than any other technology, any

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Speaker 3: fossil fuel technology, and more expensive than.

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Speaker 4: Even nuclear power.

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Speaker 3: And fossil fields have provided for our way of life

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Speaker 3: for well over.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and seventy five years, and they have.

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Speaker 3: Lifted millions, probably billions of people from poverty. They have

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Speaker 3: the technologies that have emerged as a result of us

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Speaker 3: using them, has doubled the average of life expectancy in

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Speaker 3: every inhabited continent, including Africa, since eighteen since the eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 3: and it has provided for warning coordination systems that alert

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Speaker 3: us when extreme weather A buns are coming. If we

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Speaker 3: didn't have fossil fields power in the grid, we wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have the Wi Fi connections to connect us to the

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Speaker 3: Internet to stay in touch with the National Weather Service

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Speaker 3: alerts and a hurricane from spailing up the coast and

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Speaker 3: so on. Winds simply cannot pick up the demand to

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Speaker 3: meet it. Cannot simply cannot fill that gap to meet

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Speaker 3: the demand if we were to take fossil fuels off

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Speaker 3: one now, solar power does have a future. People put

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Speaker 3: it on our roofs in their houses, and people put

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Speaker 3: it and it should be put on like the roofs

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Speaker 3: are put on canopies that covered parking lots for shade protection,

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Speaker 3: to generate electricity, but to destroy tens of thousands of

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Speaker 3: eight is a land wilderness in the ecosystems, farmers, biodiversity,

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Speaker 3: which of course is the difference in different plants and

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Speaker 3: animals that live in are in an area, in an

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Speaker 3: ecosystem and a habitat. That's not that's counterproductive to progress

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Speaker 3: on both the environment and.

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Speaker 4: Of course our state of welfare.

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Speaker 3: If we really really want to reduce our dependence on

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Speaker 3: fossil fuels, and of course we're still going to need

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Speaker 3: to oil for as long as you know, in control

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Speaker 3: of combustion engines remain profitable because a lot of people

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Speaker 3: are still going to refuse to buy electric cars because

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Speaker 3: they cannot get them to go, you know, nine hundred

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Speaker 3: miles in the winter time on along road trip to

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Speaker 3: visit family.

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Speaker 4: But we're still good. But if you want to really

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Speaker 4: reduce our dependence on.

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Speaker 3: The coal and natural gas, and natural gas is largely

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Speaker 3: replaced coal in many parts of the world, especially that

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Speaker 3: the United States, we should be training into nuclear power

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Speaker 3: and nuclear fission because it is a is the most

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Speaker 3: carbon free energy source. It's the safest energy source on

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Speaker 3: a desk of caroline hour basis, only behind solar