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Speaker 1: And Aaron Wexler has made a persuasive case that that

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Speaker 1: for you, Aaron, I asked Dave Rubinis in the second hour,

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Speaker 2: Begun, Well, I think the also great to be great

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Speaker 2: It has now not what they've started, but the attacks

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Speaker 2: But it is difficult to overthrow a government, and so

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Speaker 1: Okay, So people out there who may be listening to

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Speaker 2: It's hard to get much worse than where we are

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I agree with a lot of that, but

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Speaker 4: Before all the way most started getting before all the way.

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Speaker 4: Ye're good, get out of that clay.

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Speaker 1: We got out safely. There doing research on that. The

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Speaker 1: amount of spectrum that's going to be required for autonomous

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Speaker 1: vehicles actually pretty extraordinary. The government, I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 1: of people out there understand this, may not has control

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Speaker 1: of the wireless spectrum universe out there. Is there enough

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Speaker 1: to be able to handle all the technology coming? What

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Speaker 1: would be beneficial in your mind? As you look at

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Speaker 1: the auctions of this spectrum and the utilization of the spectrum.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a really important issue. It's a practical issue,

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Speaker 4: it's a national security issue. Most people they pick up

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Speaker 4: their smartphone, do they hop into a weaimo. They just

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Speaker 4: assume it works. They don't know how. Maybe they think

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Speaker 4: it's magic or pixie dust. But it's these invisible airways

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Speaker 4: that you need to power everything. When you look at

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Speaker 4: the future of technology, whether it's autonomous vehicles, whether it's

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Speaker 4: ARVR AI, the data demand to carry data traffic wirelessly

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Speaker 4: is just like a hockey stick through the roof.

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Speaker 3: And right now China has.

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Speaker 4: Leaked out to a really significant lead over the US.

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Speaker 4: Didn't used to be this way. If you match the

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Speaker 4: first Trump administration. China was ahead of US early on,

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Speaker 4: and President Trump stepped in, showed strong leadership, and the

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Speaker 4: US closed the gap. That's why you saw four G

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Speaker 4: and five G explode in the US. Now President Biden

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Speaker 4: stepped in and we just fell into a deep malaise

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Speaker 4: when it comes to freeing up spectrum. And President Trump

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Speaker 4: recently has articulately that he wants the US to lead

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Speaker 4: again and we're gonna do it. So one of the

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Speaker 4: things that the One Big Beautiful Bill does is it

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Speaker 4: restores the FCS authority to free up these airwaves which

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Speaker 4: lapsed during the Biden years. Senator Cruz. Chairman Cruz has

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Speaker 4: been phenomenal in leading on this. But we are hundreds

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Speaker 4: of megahertz behind where China is right now, and to

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Speaker 4: your point, our commercial sector needs it, DoD uses it

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Speaker 4: as well. But I think ultimately right now where we're

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Speaker 4: short is commercial spectrum for high power use. President Trump

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Speaker 4: and Chairman Cruise have been clear, But it's national security,

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Speaker 4: it's economic growth, and it's bridging the digital divide because

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Speaker 4: we use that spectrum to connect people, to connect communities.

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Speaker 1: Your job, to a large extent, I would think, and

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Speaker 1: you can correct me if I'm wrong, is to try

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Speaker 1: to allow the marketplace of ideas to work at the

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Speaker 1: best of its manner and ensure that the government is

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Speaker 1: not putting a hand or a finger on the scale

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Speaker 1: to allow one side to have an advantage. How fair

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Speaker 1: do you think the overall media environment is from your

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Speaker 1: perspective as FCC chairman, when you look at it across

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Speaker 1: the scope of all of the different arenas that you

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Speaker 1: are monitoring, right now, do you think we have a

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Speaker 1: fair system in place right now or do you think

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Speaker 1: there's still a lot of things that need to be

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Speaker 1: done well.

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Speaker 4: I think there's still a significant ways to go in

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Speaker 4: terms of making sure that broadcasters in particular live up

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Speaker 4: the public interest obligation. Again, the studies and survey in

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Speaker 4: terms of lack of trust speak to that. But if

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Speaker 4: you step back, particularly during COVID, we saw this massive

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Speaker 4: acceleration of censorship in this country, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: it took place on social media and on big tech platforms.

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Speaker 4: Silicon Valley was deciding whether you got to day on

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Speaker 4: the digital town square what you could say. And the

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Speaker 4: evidence also shows that the Biden administration was effectively colluding

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Speaker 4: with a lot of these social media companies to shut

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Speaker 4: down free speech. And it didn't just happen here in

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Speaker 4: the US, it's spreading globally. In Brazil, there's this Justice

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Speaker 4: Day Moray, this government official there that's been censoring social media.

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Speaker 4: In Europe, they're passing laws to sort of force US

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Speaker 4: technology companies to abide by their version of censorship, and

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Speaker 4: so to some extent, we are on the back side

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Speaker 4: of that, meaning as the government controls with COVID rescind

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Speaker 4: we see free speech re emerge because you can't have both, right,

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Speaker 4: If you're gonna have massive government controls that came with

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Speaker 4: that came with COVID, you necessarily have censorship as well,

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Speaker 4: because free speech is a check on those types of

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Speaker 4: government controls. And President Trump has come in and very

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Speaker 4: clearly said that he's going to restore free speech in

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Speaker 4: this country. So, whether it's the work of the FCC,

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Speaker 4: the Federal Trade Commission is doing great work on this,

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Speaker 4: the DOJ, we're looking to sort of break up that

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Speaker 4: collusive conduct that really amounted, in my view, to a

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Speaker 4: censorship cartel. There's still work to do, but I think

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Speaker 4: we'll find on turning the tide on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people out there

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Speaker 1: listening right now listening to us on traditional radios podcast

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Speaker 1: certainly still watching some news broadcast CBSABC, NBC, But for

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Speaker 1: my kids, they get almost all their news from TikTok

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Speaker 1: and YouTube. So to your point on the power of media,

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Speaker 1: the dynamic has shifted in a big way. Like I

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Speaker 1: don't even know that my kids could find local news

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Speaker 1: on television other than watching sports. They never watch it.

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Speaker 1: Everything through YouTube, And I'll give you an example. On

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Speaker 1: this program, YouTube wouldn't allow our interview with President Trump.

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Speaker 1: They would We just had Rand Paul on at the

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Speaker 1: top of the last at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't allow our interview with Rand Paul to be

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Speaker 1: posted because they said something that YouTube didn't like. But

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Speaker 1: in an election universe, in a democratic universe, should it,

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Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, everything that a political figure says

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Speaker 1: be distributed as widely as possible and not restricted and censored.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: One of things I've focused a lot on is this

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Speaker 4: concept of user empowerment. Like, we don't want any one,

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Speaker 4: single centralized authority, whether it's a Silicon Valley company or otherwise,

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Speaker 4: deciding who can participate in the town square. What can

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Speaker 4: they say in the digital town square. We need to

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Speaker 4: empower individuals. If you don't want to see Rampaul, great,

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Speaker 4: don't follow him. If you don't want to see this video, okay,

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Speaker 4: block or unfollow ye the show. But we need to

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Speaker 4: sort of get those decision making, the decisions back into

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Speaker 4: the hands of individual users and take it out of

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Speaker 4: the hands of the big corporations, for instance, on social media.

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Speaker 4: You know, one idea we've talked about is should we

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Speaker 4: have content filters that you can choose, Like, let's say

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Speaker 4: you want the Reasons that Escape Me, but you want

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Speaker 4: MSNBC to filter your feed for you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, plug that in and do it.

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Speaker 4: If you want, you know, this show to have one, great,

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Speaker 4: If you want Fox News to do it, great, But

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Speaker 4: let's let's get that power back to individuals unless this centralized,

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Speaker 4: because when you make a mistake at a system wide

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Speaker 4: level like that, like, the consequences.

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Speaker 3: Are very serious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people think about, Wow, there's harm that comes from

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Speaker 4: hate speech, which obviously is protected by the First Amendment.

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Speaker 4: But think about the other side of it, like when

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Speaker 4: you couldn't talk about the origins of COVID nineteen, when

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Speaker 4: you couldn't talk about the costs and benefits of masking

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Speaker 4: young children who were trying to get speech development at

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Speaker 4: that point in time. So there's very real harms that

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Speaker 4: flowed from the sensors that we live through. Let alone,

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Speaker 4: you know electoral consequences with a Hunter by Laptop story

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Speaker 4: that is on the.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you. AI is taking off at a

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Speaker 1: rapid rate, and we have fun with AI. Memes that

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Speaker 1: people will post of me playing the flute like and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of ridiculous things out there. But it's rapidly

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Speaker 1: evolving to the point where I think being able to

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Speaker 1: determine what's real and what's fake is going to become

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Speaker 1: really very difficult. Are you concerned about that? Because it's

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Speaker 1: one thing to restrict something that we know is real,

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Speaker 1: but how in the world do we have the ability

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Speaker 1: to let people know what is true and what is

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Speaker 1: false and what someone's actually said and not said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you've seen these AI general videos of the

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Speaker 4: podcasters that are in the Baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're hilarious.

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Speaker 4: Yes, those are the very, very fun I don't if

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Speaker 4: they've had any of those use of you or not, but.

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Speaker 1: I think they may think I'm a baby, are ready?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I felt out a meme hole at one time looking

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Speaker 4: at all those I thought they were hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think we'd be very careful here.

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Speaker 4: During the last administration, President Biden had the FCC proposed

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Speaker 4: putting labels on political speech political ads that were generated

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Speaker 4: in any way with AI content, And really it just

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Speaker 4: became a way of sort of slowing down the use

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Speaker 4: of AI because they viewed it as in my view,

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Speaker 4: Republicans were being more successful in the mem wars than

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Speaker 4: they were. So I think there is some harm, as

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Speaker 4: you noted, but I think we have to be very

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Speaker 4: careful that we don't stifle this early on, because ultimately

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Speaker 4: it can start to look a lot like censorship. So

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Speaker 4: I do think that people need to be vigilant and

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Speaker 4: we need to educate people. And it's I think it

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Speaker 4: easier for younger folks. Think older people can get you know,

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Speaker 4: fooled a little more easily. Well if you just step Mack,

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Speaker 4: look at online scams in general. But I think this

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Speaker 4: area we have to proceed very cautiously, and I'd be

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Speaker 4: very skeptical of regulation at this point.

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Speaker 1: FCC Chairman Brendan Carr, appreciate the time, appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: in video, coming in studio with us, sitting in on

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Speaker 1: video here, and we hope talk to you against soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good be with you. Thanks for sure, Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck