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Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft. Welcome into another episode of Chargers Weekly,

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Speaker 1: as always, joined by Matt Money, Smith and Money. We

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Speaker 1: got our front of the show right off the top.

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Speaker 1: Lead draft analyst Pro Football Focus Mike Renner, and you

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Speaker 1: mentioned this last week. We're just talking about it all fair.

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Speaker 1: You've done a few of these these bock draft simulators.

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Speaker 1: How many hundred? A lot? A lot. It's fun. You know.

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Speaker 1: I cannot recommend it enough. People go to PF dot

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Speaker 1: com one download Mike's draft guide. It's awesome. It's it's

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Speaker 1: time consuming. You'll find yourself lost. You look up and

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Speaker 1: you've spend an hour and a half reading what Mike's

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Speaker 1: probably put what eight months into ten months into Mike,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, no doubt, labor of love. I would assume

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Speaker 1: put into it. But the mock draft, let's just start there, Mike.

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Speaker 1: This thing's incredible for people they kind of can't. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll actually fire one off on Turbo and you can

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Speaker 1: the mock draft simulator. So you see my rankings that

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Speaker 1: are the mock draft simulator, but like the actual draft

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Speaker 1: order is somewhat random, and the way the players come

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Speaker 1: off of a lot of public facing boards, whether it's

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna fire one right here, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take the Chargers at twenty one. I'm gonna enter the draft.

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Speaker 1: I got it on turbo, and you're gonna tell me

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Speaker 1: what you think the best option is and start draft.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, twenty one. We got Dalton Kincaid. When

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Speaker 1: Tom Talsco is staring at, and I give you this

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Speaker 1: option as well, Mike, you can trade down someone wants

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Speaker 1: You can't get that one piece that's the difference between

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Speaker 1: eighty two pounds you're not expecting plus run defense. He

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Speaker 1: is probably not going to be an every down play

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Speaker 1: or year one for you, but he knows how to

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Speaker 1: rush the pastor and even at you know, even at

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Speaker 1: his size, I trust him to be able to get

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Speaker 1: after quarterbacks because man, the athlete is just so so

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Speaker 1: rare and so impressive that he may not even last

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Speaker 1: to where the Chargers you're drafted. Important to point out,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Aaron Donald not a good run defender.

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Speaker 1: So like for people that are like, oh, you can't

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Speaker 1: do it. The Chargers run defense is too terrible. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald wreck shop And if you look at his

438
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Speaker 1: numbers against the run, they're not great. He's more of

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Speaker 1: a He's a unique run defender in that you have

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Speaker 1: to like get him one on one and he has

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Speaker 1: to have the ability to make plays like when left

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Speaker 1: or right. He's just not going to sit on a block.

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Speaker 1: You know, the traditional how you want your front four

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Speaker 1: to all play and run defense as a unison as

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Speaker 1: one unit. You're gonna have to bend the rules a

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Speaker 1: little bit for a guy like Aaron Donald and for

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Speaker 1: a guy like clash Cancy Mike. It's no secret the

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Speaker 1: Chargers needs speed at wide receiver. We saw it and

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Speaker 1: how it hurt the team towards the back half of

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Speaker 1: the year, especially with Jalen Giton out. Now they're gonna

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Speaker 1: need a punt returner. DeAndre Carter goes to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Are there guys maybe in mid to late rounds that

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Speaker 1: have the speed slash punt return capability that could maybe

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Speaker 1: fulfill both roles, get you some speed on offense and

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Speaker 1: also provide some special teams choose. One of the more

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Speaker 1: intriguing returners to me in this draft class is Keaton

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Speaker 1: Mitchell's running back though from ECU. I love his open

458
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Speaker 1: field vision he has. I think he had thirty one

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Speaker 1: runs of fifteen plus yards this year, which was like

460
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Speaker 1: five more than anyone else in the country. Like, he

461
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Speaker 1: knows how to go find space in the open field

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Speaker 1: and then or three seven speed. So he's one of

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a returner, a guy I would

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Speaker 1: point to and probably rounds five, you know, or later.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of wide receivers in this class,

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Speaker 1: though with like real deal return nobility. Maybe I think

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Speaker 1: Trey Tucker from Cincinnati is an intriguing guy as a returner.

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Speaker 1: Him and de Mario Douglass from Liberty or two guys

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Speaker 1: that I don't think you're really putting in the starting lineup.

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Speaker 1: They're both like five eight, but like one eight. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're not really They're like a role a gadget type

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Speaker 1: of role player on offense. But I think both can

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Speaker 1: add some value in the return game. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: know Mike, because I mean, talk about just a true

475
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Speaker 1: savior of the season. Jamari sawlier Rashaun Slater goes down

476
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Speaker 1: with three. You're already kind of, you know, dealing with

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Speaker 1: injuries all over the place on this team. Jamari saw

478
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Speaker 1: your steps in and you know, was he elite? No?

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Speaker 1: But he provided stability sort of? What what led to

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Speaker 1: him falling all the way to the sixth round one

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Speaker 1: a national championship? Played inside, played outside? Just kind of

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Speaker 1: how how did that happen? How did the Chargers end

483
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Speaker 1: up with a starting left tackle in the sixth Your

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Speaker 1: guests is as good as my I think it was

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Speaker 1: injury related. I have heard that it was, but at

486
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Speaker 1: like if it wasn't an injury that kept him out

487
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Speaker 1: of his rookie I could not fathom why he fell

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Speaker 1: that far in the draft because this wasn't you know,

489
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Speaker 1: this wasn't like an under scouted guy who wasn't on radars.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a multi year starter at Georgia left tackle,

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Speaker 1: win a national championship. It didn't make sense then, still

492
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Now he's a damn good player, like

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Speaker 1: he was top he was in the top sixty on

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Speaker 1: the PFF draft board, like his second round grade last year.

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Speaker 1: It falls all the way to sixth. So obviously the

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Speaker 1: Chargers the beneficiary. That's a long term starter. I think

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Speaker 1: you've got both your starting guards in one draft, truthfully,

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Speaker 1: which hats off time to LESCo. Yeah, hey, Mike, last

499
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Speaker 1: one for me and this goes to the other guy,

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Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, who was selected by the Charges of seventeen overall.

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Speaker 1: And I think, like you said, they found one of

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Speaker 1: their future starters at guard for the next decade plus.

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Speaker 1: What did you see coming out and what did you

504
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Speaker 1: see in his first year and did it match up

505
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Speaker 1: to the evaluation? Yeah, I thought he was going to

506
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Speaker 1: be a little bit better, but I think you saw

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Speaker 1: him come on, maybe after a little early season struggles,

508
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Speaker 1: but he was a guy who just consistent snap after snap,

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Speaker 1: and and just from like a tools traits perspective, is

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Speaker 1: how you would build a guard like his. From his frame,

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Speaker 1: his lower half, his massive, huge hands, long arms, just

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Speaker 1: you saw a guy that you felt felt like you

513
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Speaker 1: just knew it was gonna be a darn good guard

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. About one of the safest picks that

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Speaker 1: you can make in the NFL draft. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that's why, you know, maybe with other needs on

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Speaker 1: the roster, just like this guy's gonna be good, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna take him. Maybe it's a little rich in

519
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Speaker 1: the top twenty four guard, but we're just gonna take him.

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Speaker 1: And so that's how I felt about him. And I

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Speaker 1: think you're probably going to see that more in year two,

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Speaker 1: year three, just because NFL transition is tough for everybody.

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Speaker 1: But I think with the full NFL off season, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a darn good one. So I guess maybe

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Speaker 1: my last one. I may have one more, Mike, then

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Speaker 1: we'll let you go. Thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 1: Just the their third rounder j T. Woods. You know,

528
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Speaker 1: so much excitement led the ncuble an interest options, a

529
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Speaker 1: lot of ball production. Couldn't get on the field for

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Speaker 1: the Chargers all season, But you're scouting report on him

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Speaker 1: what you saw, why maybe it played out that way

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Speaker 1: as opposed to him on seating, Nozadlie for that starting

533
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Speaker 1: high safety spot. Safety is a position that you know

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Speaker 1: you need repsent you're it's a very visually driven position.

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00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: You need to see the NFL game first. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a rare to see guys like Derwin James who

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Speaker 1: year one at safety are impact players. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: difficult from that perspective the transition, and especially for him

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Speaker 1: because he's a pure free safety. He's not you know,

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Speaker 1: a slot. He was in a box guy. He was

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Speaker 1: a range over the top from either single high, too high,

542
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Speaker 1: whatever you want. He is going to be that guy

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Speaker 1: that can make quarterbacks pay for trying to bite off

544
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Speaker 1: a little more. They could chew on some go ball,

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Speaker 1: some vertical routes on the outside. So that is his role.

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Speaker 1: That's also kind of what what Nazi Adelie brought the

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Speaker 1: table like. He was a very similar player. So this

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Speaker 1: was your transition plan obvious. Now with Adlie retiring, it's

549
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Speaker 1: him and I think you're going to see him excel

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Speaker 1: in that same role as that pure deep guy. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do one more here. Let's see what's on the

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Speaker 1: board mock draft simulator and her draft and we're going

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Speaker 1: to start it. And on the board right now, Old

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Speaker 1: Cancy's on the board. Kin Kaid is on the board

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Speaker 1: as well. So you got both of those guys. Mayor

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Speaker 1: Addison's a flowers. This is just just kind of given

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Speaker 1: him one out. It's it's played out, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: played out differently. Um So Cancy made it to him,

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00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: but so did Dalton Kinkaid. So that's your there you go,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? That one's tough? Oh man, that

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Speaker 1: one is tough because they're both unique in their own right.

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Speaker 1: They're both guys that are you know, not every year

563
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Speaker 1: kind of prospects that I would say is that you

564
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Speaker 1: and usually those guys tend to go high because if

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Speaker 1: you if rarity is a skill set that again, if

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Speaker 1: you want that, if you want pure speed at the

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Speaker 1: three technique position, you will not find someone with as

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Speaker 1: much as quash cancer. So in those that scenario, man,

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Speaker 1: I think I still mean, given Herbert as many weapons

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Speaker 1: as possible, it's an arms race in the NFL. No

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Speaker 1: one really get. You have to compete in the AFC

572
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Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. You have to

573
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Speaker 1: put up over thirty points a game and probably three

574
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Speaker 1: straight playoff games to win Super Bowl. That's just a

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Speaker 1: fact of life, um in that conference nowadays. And so

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Speaker 1: how am I going to do that? Well, I'm going

577
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: to fool proof justin Herbert in this offense and then

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00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: let brand Staley handle his side of the ball at

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Speaker 1: least with my top draft picks, because that's what he

580
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Speaker 1: gets paid for, and Herbert gets paid for. You made, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you made an officially now this is an officially a

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Speaker 1: All right, when you got the simulator up, always good

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Speaker 1: talking to Mike. Were you happy with the results? Kincaid, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: put you through the different scenarios and if you look,

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to see how the draft lays out. Oh,

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Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks went ahead of them? Sometimes it is five,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's four, sometimes it's three and Levis falls out.

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Speaker 1: So it gives you the idea and it reminds you

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Speaker 1: that anything can happen. That Derwin James can slip to

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Speaker 1: the Chargers at seventeen because the Saints decided to trade

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Speaker 1: up and you thought they were going to and the

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Speaker 1: Bills end up taking Edmonds instead of Durwin when you

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Speaker 1: thought they were going to take Derwin. Like, there's so

625
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Speaker 1: many weird things that happened through the course of a draft,

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Speaker 1: but I was happy to hear Mike echo our sentiments

627
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Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks ago, and that is how

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Speaker 1: many first round grades do you have? Justin Herbert's getting

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Speaker 1: a fifty million dollar contract, fifty million dollar year contract.

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Speaker 1: There's somewhere that's. Sorry to spend all your money, mister Spannels,

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Speaker 1: but it's going to be somewhere in that range. It's

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Speaker 1: just you gotta add young talent. You've got to just

633
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Speaker 1: increase your depth by a pretty chunky percentage because of

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Speaker 1: that contract now being a reality moving forward. And I

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Speaker 1: do think there's a chance Bucky's latest draft has Levis sliding.

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Speaker 1: That Hooker has now kind of taken that spot and

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Speaker 1: Levis has gone on a slide. So the hope is

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Speaker 1: that one of those quarterbacks is there at twenty one

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Speaker 1: and in order to jump ahead of the Vikings as

640
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: we talked about. Yeah, and that's sort of and I

641
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: know it's it's so there's I'm not going to name names,

642
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: but there's a head coach that had an incredible amount

643
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: of power in a franchise and would routinely select their

644
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: first rounder and then just disappear because he didn't have

645
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: the patience to do the work that you need to do.

646
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: But he was invested enough to say this is the

647
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: guy I want with our first round pick. Pretty Much

648
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: all those first round picks were busts, and neither person

649
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: is with the franchise any longer. I think I know,

650
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: I think I know who you're referring to. I bring

651
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: up that point because so many fans are like that.

652
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: They only know the first round. They only know Kincaid

653
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: or Jordan Addison or Zay Flowers or Nolan Smith or

654
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Elijah Kanzi or Wilson or you know, Breece or Van Ness,

655
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: and when the chargers trade out, they're like, we really,

656
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: we're not going to get an impact. There are starters

657
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: in the second round. That's where you get your starters,

658
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: second and third round. So to pick up an extra two,

659
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: potentially pick up a one next year, maybe pick up

660
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: a two and a three two and when you're obviously

661
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna get at least two in of three for trading

662
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: out of the first round, but it could be more

663
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: than that. Those are starters. You expect those to be starters.

664
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: So Sante Samuel Drew Tranquil nazatterly like, that's you know,

665
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Jamari Sawyer's an outlier. Yeah, but you know what we're

666
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: getting at here. It's Keenan Allen, you know, third rounder, Like,

667
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Trey Pipkins these so I

668
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: was happy to hear him concur with us that that's,

669
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, ideal, this is ideal. You're able to trade

670
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: back and get really good value for number twenty one. Yeah,

671
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: and just look at free agency. They're gonna need starters

672
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: coming out of this draft, and they're gonna need to

673
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe pick up some picks in that second or third

674
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: round in order to get those guys. And you know,

675
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: if you stay there and you get King Kaid, that's great.

676
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: I also I really like his thought out, uh philosophy

677
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: on the running back position, and I'm with him in

678
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: terms of, hey, don't don't let h anybody else but

679
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: number ten touch the ball. I get that, But I

680
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: just you know, that Jacksonville game sticks in my mind.

681
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Second half not be able to run the football, and

682
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: I know Robinson could do it, you know. Um, So

683
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where I get a little bit

684
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: conflicted about. You know, you want to make this a

685
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: complete football team that can win games in January, and

686
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I think having a guy like a Bijean Robinson or

687
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: or a player of his caliber to compliment Austin hopefully

688
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Austin's still here, um would be a good thing. It

689
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: might be a better defense than the defense, no doubt.

690
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: It's kind of the best way to look at it.

691
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: Put it. If we can pick up a couple first

692
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: downs and sustain a drive for four or five minutes

693
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: like they did in the Miami game, that's that may

694
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: be better than the defense they have. So that's where

695
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: the whole bijon part comes in. We're not saying he's

696
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: got to you've got to build your offense around bi

697
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: Sean Robinson. What we're saying is, when you need to

698
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: press that button, let's go press that button. Yeah. And

699
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: and the other thing is too, it's it's not it's

700
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: not a centerpiece. Look at it as a complimentary piece.

701
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Now you start with design runs that are ripping off

702
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: five and seven and nine yards, and guess what happens

703
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: to the play action game, And guess what happens to

704
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: your shot place. They're finally going to be open because

705
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: they weren't open last year because nobody thought they were

706
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: running for more than three yards to carry if even that,

707
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: and typically if they did, it was Austin Ackler breaking

708
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: a tackle in the backfield in order to get those

709
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: three yards. Yeah, and there may be a game where

710
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: you need your running game to carry you. You know,

711
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: it's those games happen in the NFL where you've got

712
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: a game plan a different way for a different opponent. So,

713
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: but Mike's awesome. Appreciate his time as always. I want

714
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to spend a few minutes on just these owners meetings

715
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: and your takeaways from that. Obviously, I think the non

716
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: breaking breaking news is that the Chargers and Justin Herbert

717
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: there was report that they're they're talking, and I think

718
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: we expected that, right What else is doing That deal

719
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: is getting done this offseason? When it's getting done, don't know,

720
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: but it's getting done. There's you know, is it before Burrow?

721
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Is it before Lamar's trade? Is it after? Is it

722
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts that gets the deal done first? Whatever it is,

723
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be a gigantic number and it's going

724
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: to get done and it's going to have to change

725
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: the way the roster is constructed. So it's not surprising,

726
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: I would hope, you know, if that's not news, news

727
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: is we tried to reach out to Justin but as

728
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: people aren't talking to us, that's news and you gotta concern.

729
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: So great great to hear that they are talking. There

730
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: was a nugget I think Eric Smith tweeted out that, uh,

731
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the Zion's gonna move the left guard and it's Sawyer

732
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: who's going to go to right. So that was Tom's

733
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: pressor from Thomas press pressor. He mentioned it could have

734
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: been Brandon as well. I thought it was from Tom's though.

735
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: I think that he mentioned remember when Zion came out,

736
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: he was a left guard, and that's why there was

737
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: some speculation that Filer was going to get kicked to

738
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: right tackle, that you were going to put Zion at

739
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: left guard and then they were going to try to

740
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: figure out the right guard position before it became this

741
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Pipkins battle with Storm Norton kind of thing. So I thought,

742
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, Zion played well last year, certainly, but if

743
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: they feel like like I'm on the left better and

744
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I think part of that is recreating that dominant side

745
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: of the line that you can run behind, just a

746
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: road grading because of what a great run blocker Rashaan

747
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: Slater is. Let's just create sheered dominance on that side

748
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: of the ball where if we need it, we can

749
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: go get it now. I thought Trey and Zion worked

750
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: well together. That was the better side to run to

751
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: last year than Sawyer. So that's that's I guess is

752
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: let's just even though Trey improved and did pretty darn

753
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: well as a run blocker, I think that Sawyer is

754
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: going to excel as a guard because we saw when

755
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: he did get beat it was on speed. Because once

756
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: he gets his hands on you, he tends to dominate.

757
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: So he should excel as a guard. But put Zion

758
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: back at his natural position where he played his entire

759
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: college career, took every single snap, and let's create a

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: wall specifically in the run game and on Herbert's blindside.

761
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: I love outside of the line Slater, Zion Lindsley, I

762
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. And you know you have

763
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: saw You're on the right side. He has that positional

764
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: flexibility to kick out the right if anything should happen.

765
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: So I think the offensive line from a starter perspective,

766
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: is in good shape. I mentioned this when we talked

767
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: to Mike DeAndre Carter leaving I think is a blow.

768
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, this guy was second in the NFL in

769
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: punt return average, and we know what special teams means

770
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: to this team now with Ryan Ficken, and they have

771
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: improved so much. Obviously, I know that they're going to

772
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: find a replacement. They probably have a replacement in mind,

773
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: money that you and I don't know about. But I

774
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: just you know, you don't want to take a step back,

775
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: especially at a guy that really helped you kind of

776
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: flip the field and now he goes to a arrival.

777
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: I believe it was Tom tolesco set it to us

778
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: on or it was either Coach Staley or it was

779
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: Tom that set it to us. One pregame when we

780
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: brought up how well DeAndre had been playing, specifically in

781
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: his punt return role, and he said, he gets us

782
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: a first down. It's the best way to look at it.

783
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: Every single time he catches upon and returns it, he

784
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: gets us a first down. His return average was twelve yards.

785
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: So that's a huge deal. You've already got your first

786
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: first down as your drive starter because he's picked it

787
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: up for you. It just goes to show you how

788
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: because of all the money that's moved around, the lack

789
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: of action and free agency, it goes to show you

790
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: how much the quarterback contracts impact X a team that

791
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: you can't bring DeAndre Carter back at a million and

792
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: a half dollar raise, from what he was making last year.

793
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: I'll say this into you know, for those that are

794
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: upset that DeAndre Carter is gone, He's been on a

795
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: new team almost every year. So as good as he is,

796
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: if you're dominant, if you're Devin Hester, if you're Tamarick Vanover,

797
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you're one of those guys,

798
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: you're not going to leave. So they feel like we

799
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: can replace that, well, we'll be able to find someone.

800
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: Like you said that, we can replace that. More often

801
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: than not, your returners come from the draft. They're secondary players,

802
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: they're special teamers. You don't want to have starters in

803
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: the return game because of the propensity for them to

804
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: get injured. We saw that last year in the playoff

805
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: game with DeAndre Carter getting injured and now you got

806
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Michael Bandy out there for fifty snaps. Yeah, and that

807
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: was a plan was the plan was not to have DeAndre.

808
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: He was a fifth receiver coming into camp anyway, so

809
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: like the plan wasn't really to use him one offense.

810
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: He had to catch forty six balls, had his best

811
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: offensive season because of all the injuries. I thought he

812
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: had a season worthy of sticking around for that second year.

813
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: But you're right, that's this is the business. And when

814
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: you have to pay your quarterback a ton of money

815
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: and you have to allocate resources to other positions. This

816
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: is why it's so hard to build a complete team

817
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL these days, especially when you have that

818
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: paycheck come into your quarterback, and returners aren't as impactful

819
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: as they used to be. More, more and more teams

820
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: want that ball kicked out of the back of the

821
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: end zone on kick returns. They're comfortable with it return

822
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: more than kick return and punt returns. You've got so

823
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: many more punters that are better than we've ever seen.

824
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: It's almost all fair catches. You've got your big leg

825
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: guys that just want to kick the hell out of

826
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: the ball and they'll they'll hope their gross is somewhere

827
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: around fifty plus. You know, in that high forty fifty range,

828
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: the return is somewhere around seven to eight, and you

829
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: still end up with your forty to forty three nets.

830
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: As he leads, there are a handful of those, and

831
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: you hope you can spring him. I'm content with allocating

832
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: resources elsewhere. I'm totally fine with that. Finding something now

833
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: we saw it, We've seen it cost the Chargers games.

834
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: We have seen bad returners cost the chart literally cost

835
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: the Chargers games. Because I'm thinking of the game in

836
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: New England and I again keep forgetting his name. But

837
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: when balls inside the five returner fields it, all he

838
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: has to do is move his right foot outside and

839
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: step on the sideline and it gets on a kickoff

840
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: and it ends up at the forty instead he catches

841
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: it there. It gets absolutely blown up. It like the

842
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: eight and everything which to New England game. It was

843
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: a long time. It was when Rivers was still the quarterback.

844
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: It was Benjamin. Is it Travis Benjamin. We had the

845
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Travis Benjamin punt return when he went backwards. Yeah, with

846
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: another one. So like there's a lot of those instances

847
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: where we've talked, you know, two years ago, Oakland or Oakland,

848
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Las Vegas final week, you know fumble on. So yes,

849
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: it does matter. You do need someone back there, but

850
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: you can find him. Yeah, anything else from Arizona that

851
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: stood out league wide or charges related? Obviously there's a

852
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: lot going on with the Commanders and well I think

853
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: the Eckler stuff is furthered a little bit. Yeah, both

854
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: sides are saying the same thing, which is Tom said,

855
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: we respect the heck out of Austin. We owed it

856
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: to him to be able to go out there and

857
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: see if he could find anything to better his individual situation,

858
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: and we would accommodate that. You've got Austin we talked

859
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: about already, the things he said that he's going to

860
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: pursue aggressively a deal that he feels compensates him more

861
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: fairly not going to find it. Mike Renner said it.

862
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: I am completely against giving free agent, big money free

863
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: agent deals to running backs. So it looks like those

864
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: two are are headed to stick together. Eckler appears to

865
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: be on the Chargers this upcoming season that they'll figure

866
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: something out and that they'll work it out. So outside

867
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: of that, it feels like those were the big Those

868
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: were the big questions. What's going on with Eckler moving

869
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Scion to the left side and the fact that they're

870
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: talking to Herbert and that's why all these moves look

871
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the way they look, And the Chargers are getting the

872
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: free agent grades that they're getting for not doing a

873
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: whole lot. Yeah, which makes what you said last week

874
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: even more enticing to trade out of twenty one and

875
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: get more picks. And find more starters. You're gonna have

876
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: to do it, and they've got to both sides of

877
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: the lines. Look at Philadelphia, they load up on old linemen,

878
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: they load up on the lineman, and that's how they win.

879
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: And that's how they made it into the postseason two

880
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: years ago with Jalen Hurts who wasn't playing great at quarterback,

881
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: three years ago or four years ago, whatever it was,

882
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: when they had no wide receivers and a banged up quarterback,

883
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: they still made it because they were so dominant on

884
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: the lines. To me, the Chargers really need to invest

885
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: resources at those two position groups. Continue to build the

886
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: offensive line. If you swing and miss, you swing and miss.

887
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: If it's Dan Feenie, Hopefully brain himis comes around this year.

888
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: Trey Pickins took three years, but they got it. Yeah,

889
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: So you just have to keep investing Forrest Lamp, keep investing,

890
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: keep investing in that position group, keep investing in defensive lineman.

891
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: Hopefully Tito Obonia comes back sooner than later, because he

892
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: looked great when he started getting more and more reps

893
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: and got into the rotation. So to me, those are

894
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: that's the that to me is the biggest push for

895
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: trading out is let's we gotta start building depth along

896
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: those along the lines if you're going to be able

897
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: to compete, because guys get hurt at those two position

898
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: groups pretty regularly, and you better have capable depth so

899
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: you don't lose your season and money. It's I think

900
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: it's a type of player that you're targeting in those

901
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: mid to late rounds. Like you mentioned it to Rent

902
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: or about Jamari Sawyer. I mean that guy was seasoned

903
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: in the SEC, whereas you know Trey Pipkins. When they

904
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: drafted Trey Pipkins, they knew he wasn't gonna be ready

905
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: for a few years. Like it's it's war, so, okay,

906
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: can we draft guys that we think can make an

907
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: impact and actually start some games earlier in their career,

908
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Whereas you know Trey Pipkins and some other guys were, Okay,

909
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: this guy's a project, may not be ready for a

910
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: couple of years. I think the position that the Chargers

911
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: are in, depending on how many picks they can get

912
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: in the second, third and later rounds, is maybe trying

913
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: to identify some of those guys that can play meaningful

914
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: snaps for you this year, right as opposed to saying, Okay,

915
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: well this guy will be ready in two or three years.

916
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the Chargers want to invest in

917
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: a ton of those types of players. Well, you're talking,

918
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: you're you basically just described the great draft conundrum, traits

919
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: versus production. What are we going to value? Are we

920
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna value traits? Are we gonna value production? Here's someone,

921
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Jamari Sawyer, does not have the traits. He's got short arms,

922
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: he's not that tall, he's not built like a tackle,

923
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: he's not super athletic. But okay, production played at Georgia

924
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: started inside outside flexibility, kicked inside when Alabama was dominating

925
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: on the interior, kicked outside whenever anybody was dominating at

926
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the edge. Was productive, but there were very little traits.

927
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: So that's that's what happens when you get into the draft.

928
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: That's Look, that's why Justin Herbert fell to the Chargers

929
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: at six. Had every trait you could possibly want, size, athleticism,

930
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: the brain, freaking hose. But he was in an offense

931
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: that was not productive. Played in a Rose Bowl where

932
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: he basically ran his tail off as opposed to throw

933
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: the ball all over the place in order to get

934
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: a win. So that's how you end up getting a

935
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: guy like that at number six? And and what did

936
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: two a half two had? The production, didn't have the traits,

937
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: was injured, busted up hip, not as athletic, not tall, not,

938
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have the biggest arm, but he had the production.

939
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: So that's that's the draft in a nutshell, what do

940
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: you want? Do you want the traits? You want the production?

941
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: When you pair the two together, that's when you get

942
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: a first rounder. That's when you get Dalton Kincade. That's

943
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: when you get Jalen Carter. That's when you get Will Anderson.

944
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: That's traits plus production. That's what we're talking about. By

945
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: the way, this is the time of year or two

946
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: where people will resurface old tweets about prospects, and the

947
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: amount of stuff that we saw Justin Herbert before the

948
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: Chargers drafted him was insane, just like, this guy's got

949
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: no chance. And I wouldn't. I would never watch Justin

950
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: Herbert on my team. And this is what this is

951
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: all about, man, Because I was skeptical of him. I

952
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: watched a ton of Pack twelve football. I watched a

953
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of Justin Herbert, and I was like, man, this guy,

954
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you know there wasn't the production you were projecting what

955
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: justin you had. And God loved Tom Tolesco and his

956
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: team and Joejoe and every everybody for doing that. Yeah,

957
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: because when when he was at Oregon, it just wasn't there.

958
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: The offense was super, super conservative, and he was you

959
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: could tell that he was coached to not turn the

960
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: ball over and he aimed a lot of his throws

961
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: and he played very conservatively. So I think, look, this

962
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: is the time of year and and it's fine. I'm

963
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: the one that ran my mouth. You know. My my

964
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: video comes up all the time on Check's podcast about

965
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes asking why if you're the Chiefs and you

966
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: just won the division, are you drafting a guy that's

967
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: got no footwork? That's that's everything is off platform, everything

968
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: is when the play is broken down, Well, you pair

969
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: him with Andy Reid and you let him sit for

970
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: a year. And yeah, they have they had that vision

971
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: that I did not. I was talking about it. And

972
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: that's the that when you have someone like Joel Klatt

973
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: that made the type of declarative statement he did on Herbert. Yeah,

974
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: that's because he watched so much college football. That's the

975
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: funny thing. Is the people that have those takes and

976
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: those positions are the ones that watch a hundred times

977
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: more snaps than the people that are criticizing them for

978
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: their opinion. They just watch too much. They watched too

979
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: much football, developed an opinion based on what they saw

980
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: and what their brain was telling them they saw, as

981
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: opposed to having the vision of okay, six six two

982
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: forty valid heisman, you know, academic heisman, you know, giant arm. Yeah,

983
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: I can see where this Herbert thing could go. Instead.

984
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: It's while I watched all of his games at Oregon

985
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: and he's very soft spoken, and you know, all of

986
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: those things. You have too much information. It's hard, it is,

987
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: It is very hard. The one thing I will tell

988
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: you I learned about, you know, running my mouth on

989
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Mahomes is don't do it. Just just couch things a

990
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: little bit better, you know, just say wow. You know what.

991
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: Kudos to the chiefs. They certainly see things that you

992
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: didn't see on the tape, and they feel like that

993
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: raw talent they're going to be able to, you know,

994
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: to to rein that in and make him as effective

995
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: inside the pocket as he is outside. Because look, the

996
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Mahome sizzle real was incredible from Texas Tech. It was ridiculous.

997
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: But that's what the whole that's that's his entire college career.

998
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: You know, he finished colleague and it's like, name the

999
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: Texas Tech quarterback that ever had an impact in the league.

1000
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: There wasn't one though, it never happened that often. Hail. Yeah.

1001
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: It was like, you can't draft someone from that. And

1002
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: that's why it's so stupid to say something like, well

1003
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: you can't take CJ. Stroud from Ohio State. Name in

1004
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: Ohio state quarterback that's you know, been effective in the

1005
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well yeah, look at Texas Tech. It was

1006
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: people would just swear that thing off, like no way,

1007
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: no way, that's a gimmick offense and want nothing. That's

1008
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: the Quintin m Quentin Johnson thing is you watch that

1009
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: TCU tape. The guy's wide open all the time. He

1010
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: is wide stinking open. When you pull up his touchdowns.

1011
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: If you go to the PFF and you plup is

1012
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: touchdown real, there's not a corner around him. There's nobody

1013
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: around him. So it's like, Okay, well, I don't know

1014
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: how do I interpret this? What am I doing? What? What?

1015
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: What am I? What? Am I going to do with them. Yeah,

1016
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: as as people watch our podcast and all these draft

1017
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: uh pods and articles, everyone knows that nobody knows anything

1018
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: right and and anybody can there's a lot of people

1019
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: that know a lot more than we do, that's for sure.

1020
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: Well that's try, that's what and and money. Even those

1021
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: guys will have terrible takes that will be brought up

1022
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: down the line. And you know, everybody misses in the draft.

1023
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: That's why it's so hard. That's why the drafts. You're like, wow,

1024
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: it's so different. The NFL is a completely different sport

1025
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: than college football. That that's that's the thing. Now, Look,

1026
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: I think that you're never going to post them hitting

1027
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: it on the head. That just doesn't happen. It's freezing

1028
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: cold takes. There's no you know, flame and hot takes

1029
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: that people want to retweet a million times. When you

1030
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: hear somebody get it right, they enjoy. So they want

1031
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: to celebrate your failures. That's why Petrol's you know and

1032
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: I do the show that we do because people want

1033
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: to hear about what idiots we are and how much

1034
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: we fail at life. And it makes them feel good

1035
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: and that's great, and that's that's the draft, you're going

1036
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: to miss more than you hit, especially when you're in

1037
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: the fourth round and you're taking the one hundred and

1038
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: fifty third player off the board, you know, and there's

1039
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: been one hundred and fifty guys that have gone ahead

1040
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, you're probably gonna have a tough time

1041
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: hitting a home run on that one. Yeah, it's playing

1042
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL is considerably different than playing quarterback

1043
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: in college. So it's it's not a general managers make

1044
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Make a lot of money for

1045
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: a reason, because it is not an easy gig. Speaking

1046
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: of home runs, are you go into Opening Night tonight?

1047
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: He'd be out there. I will be, I will be.

1048
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: I hate the sound of it. Should be Opening day.

1049
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: I should not be here doing this right now. I

1050
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: should be. It's like the first time, it like with

1051
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years that they've done this at night. Why, it's

1052
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: a huge It's a huge season for Major League Baseball,

1053
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: and I think they want that premier team in that

1054
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: primetime West Coast primetime window. Having the Dodgers play at

1055
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: noon as opposed to seven deprives the league from its

1056
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: West Coast crown jewel, and that's what it's all TV.

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Speaker 1: So when you had this is this is going to

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Speaker 1: go down as a seminal year in baseball. If things

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Speaker 1: have changed, are going to change moving forward. They're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this year as the year that the

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Speaker 1: game changed. Pitch clock is changing. You know, we're going

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Speaker 1: to have games because we're the Dodger station where I

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Speaker 1: do the radio show. We had minor league games. We

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Speaker 1: had a Clayton Kershaw minor league game that went two

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Speaker 1: hours that and it wasn't it wasn't a weird game.

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Speaker 1: That was just Kershaw dominated. And you look up and

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Speaker 1: you're like, holy crap, we're in the ninth inning and

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Speaker 1: this game has been on for an hour and fifty

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Speaker 1: eight minutes. It was crazy. So that's going to change.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have more offense, You're gonna have a return

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Speaker 1: to the athlete, and more stolen bases. So to me,

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Speaker 1: today's a huge day for Major League Baseball. They they

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Speaker 1: really want to roll out and say we got something,

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Speaker 1: we got some sizzle here, we got something going. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna really like what we've done with this sport this

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Speaker 1: year after years of being a punching bag and three

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Speaker 1: and a half and four hour games where there's guys

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Speaker 1: standing around picking their tails, taking four minutes to get

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Speaker 1: through one at bat. So I think they're excited and

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Speaker 1: they wanted the Dodgers. That's a very long way of

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Speaker 1: answering your question. That's that's why we got Opening Night

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00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: because they want that prime time West Coast. Hey, look

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Speaker 1: what we're doing and watch. Watch what a Dodgers game

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Speaker 1: looks like. Now, you're not going to bed at ten

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Speaker 1: forty five at the end of the ninth inning. You're

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Speaker 1: going to bed. You're you're done at nine thirty, and

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Speaker 1: we're rolling out of here. I love this time of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three NFL Draft, And each week we'll get

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Speaker 1: a guest on we'll answer your questions. It'll be very

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Speaker 1: draft heavy in April. Money. This was great. Appreciate Mike

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Speaker 1: Renner joining us for money. I'm Chris. This has been

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly. We'll see you next week, all right, guys.

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