1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: name is No. They call me Ben. We are joined 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: with our guest super producer, Ramsey Yount. More importantly, you 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. You gotta be honest. 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm LUPI I have no idea what time it is, 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: what day it is. This is very much a quantum leap, 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Oh boy moment for me. But I'm glad to be back. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: You guys look great, you smell wonderful. So are you 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: a character in Ben Bolen's body that quantum leaped into you? 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Or you Ben Bowlen that is quantum leaked into a 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: different body because you look like Ben. That's very that's 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: very kind. Yeah, as far as I know, I am 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: not Scott Bacula, Okay, but but be that as it may. 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: We're all very excited about today's episode because this is 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: one of our favorite returning formats. We often say that 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: the most important part of this show is you specifically you, 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: and this time we're putting our money where our collective 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: mouth is, right, we share a mouth. Yeah, it's just 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: timeshare mouth. It sounded like a good idea at the moment, 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: full full disclosure, this was almost a ben ball and 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: less episode. It was we couldn't we couldn't let that 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: stand and then actually called in and left us an 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: amazing voicemail. I think from the DMZ he did. He did. 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: But I think you were probably already loopy then, because 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: on the front end of a trip like that, you're loopy. 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Then on the back end of a trip like that, 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: you're loopy. When does it ever normalize to take several days? Right? 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: You know? I hope never. I hope never. Are you 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: are you like tripping right now? I bet? Like it's 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: an interesting experience. I mean, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: and I have I have all fair some surprises for 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: you guys. So that's a perfect sallenge. We should keep 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: that in. That's the perfect salcue. So we have, as 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, long time listeners, we have some information that 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: we always want to give out towards the end of 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: every single episode we do, regardless of what the topic 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: maybe at the time. And one of those things that 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: we always make sure to shout out is our call 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: in line call in number that you can reach anywhere 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: in the world. I verified this recently while I was 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: trying to find a quiet place to call you guys 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: in the city, and that number is one eight three 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: three s T d w y T kree eight. I'm 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: like too, I guess, And if you call this number, 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: you'll just you'll hear a brief voicemail message and then 50 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: you can leave a voicemail. And Matt, we have to 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: thank you for driving this, for setting up this whole thing. 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: I set it up for this particular set of episodes. 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: That's all Mr knowl. So come now, Matt, you were 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: you were very helpful as well instrumental even and I 55 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: want to say this up front, and we were probably 56 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna start saying this at the end of the show 57 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: as well, to remind people, um, there is a three 58 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: minute time limit on a single message, So just either 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: like get your story in three minute form, or just 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: be aware that you're gonna have to call and leave 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: a part to a continuation, which we're totally fine, and 62 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a couple like that you're gonna here today. 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: But um, there were a few people that it seemed 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: like it through for a loop and they didn't call back. Yeah, 65 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: we had a couple of cliffhanger ones, right, And so 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: thank you to knowl as well for going through this 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: massive amount of messages. Know how many would you say 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: there were when when you opened the treasure trove? I 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: can say exactly how many there were? There were two 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: d And then when I got in after you had 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: found a bunch of them, there are a hundred and 72 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: forty four left. I got through about forty of those. 73 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: So there's still a hundred sitting there that I have 74 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: that none of us have listened to. I guess it's 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: my turn. It's just there's so many, and they're also great. 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: We're trying to capture, you know, the best of the 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: ones that we can, and then the rest of them 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: we are definitely listening to as soon as we can. 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: So what what did you find? I'm a leaf on 80 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: the wind here. This is gonna a lot of this 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: is gonna be news to me. Okay, I want to 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: say one thing really quickly up front. Um, some some 83 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: of the messages that we got were so personal and um, 84 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: kind that it's not even something that feels appropriate to 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: share directly, But I just want to point out that 86 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: the folks that reach out and let us know that 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: the show means something to them and that it gets 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: them through tough times, whatever those times might be. Um, 89 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: it's really really, really amazing to hear that. And it's 90 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: sort of for me anyway puts doing this show in perspective. 91 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's so easy to feel like we're shouting 92 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: into the abyss doing this stuff, and it's really cool 93 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: to hear people say that we're kind of a part 94 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: of their lives in a in a meaningful way. And 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do a whole like Oscar speech 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but it really is. It was very 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: cool for me to hear that and be reminded that, like, oh, 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: this show means something to people, and that's really cool, 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: and that's something that we've we've seen in previous messages too, 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, it means the world to us. 101 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: We we often in this society have a bit of 102 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: a misleading concept about podcast. We say, well, the show 103 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: is free, but it's not free. It's free in terms 104 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: of money, right, you don't. You don't pay cash to 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: hear this show. Instead, you use the most important currency 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: of our age, which is your time. You pay attention, 107 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: You spend time, and we appreciate it. There was there 108 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: was one other thing, um, that didn't want to lose 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: is that you mentioned no, Yes, the the idea of 110 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: certain messages being very personal. When you leave a message, 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: if there's something that you just want to share with 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: us and for something that you, for one reason or another, 113 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: don't want to be on the air, that's completely fine 114 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: with us. Just please say it in the message so 115 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: that we know, yeah, state it up front if possible, 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: and just say this is just for you guys. That 117 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: that would be great. Um. And it is one of 118 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: those things in our society where a lot of times, uh, 119 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: for some reason or another, the most engaged people on 120 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: a forum somewhere are the most negative ones. Uh. It 121 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: really is. And it just so sometimes the feedback you 122 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: get is so negative. Having this kind of avenue where 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: getting these positive messages directly to us is very rejuvenating, uh, 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: personally and creatively. Absolutely so, thank you, thank you, thank you. 125 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Sure we have a lot of like loudest voices in 126 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: the room, syndrome kind of situations where they tend to 127 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: be the voices of dissent. So it's nice to have 128 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: some voices, uh saying positive things, you know, and not 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: to say that some of these messages aren't, like, you know, 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: dragging us over the coals a little bit, but usually 131 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: in a constructive way and not unlike you guys suck 132 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: go die in kind of way, more of like a 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: I think you missed the boat on this thing. I 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: really love the show. I just wanted to put in 135 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: my two cents and that we appreciate that too. So, 136 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: speaking speaking of all of these things, shout out to Mike, 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: who's out there delivering pizzas and hopefully listening to this 138 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: right now. UM, I see you out there. Those pizza 139 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: smell delicious from here, so keep going. Like anyway, let's 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: get to our first caller. Yeah, our first caller. I 141 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: believe the last name is Alex. It was a little 142 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes these get a little muddied, so it's hard to 143 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: make it out. But um, altcohol and Alex. For the 144 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: purposes of this episode. Um, he had some issues with 145 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: a few things wanted to add to armand Santo episode 146 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: about GMOs. Um, but The most interesting thing that was 147 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: something that I was unaware of that I think Ben 148 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: was very much aware of. Uh is the idea of 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: UM lawsuits surround ending the practice of seed saving by 150 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: small farmers. So here's part two of Alex's message where 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: he talks about this very interesting point number four. Also, 152 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: I think you could have mentioned how many farmers have 153 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: been sued by Monsanto for storing their own non GMO seeds, 154 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: which have nothing to do with Montanto, and how saving 155 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: seeds is actually becoming illegal. There are a lot of 156 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: legal things about having your own garden and seeds. I mean, 157 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the world is going nuts right now under corporate rule, 158 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and I thought that could have been talked about because 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: it's very very important. So I love a chow. I 160 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: think that's a great way to end to call. I 161 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: could never pull it off how he said, chow chow babe. Yeah, yeah, 162 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: I'm not cool enough. He raises a great point. You 163 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: raise a great point, Mr Alex. Yeah, he really does. 164 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: And it's something that I wasn't aware of. But it 165 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: turns out that there's a pretty and mark court case 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: where a small farmer was sued by mont Santo because 167 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: he saved seeds that were the offspring of mont Santo 168 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: genetically modified seeds. They're called like round up seeds something 169 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: like that, So I guess they are more resistant to 170 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: um pests. So they he saved the offspring seeds from these. 171 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I thought they were terminator seeds for the most part, 172 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: that they would not be able to Most are not 173 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Most are not terminating line seeds. I think you're talking 174 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: about the seeds that were designed not to create more 175 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: seeds that that couldn't essentially reproduce. So the idea of 176 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: being that a farmer would be forced to buy another 177 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: supply of seeds every harvest season. This is a little different. 178 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: This is um the case of Vernon Bowman versus mont Santo, right, 179 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: the one that went all the way to the Supreme 180 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: Court did Yeah, So this is a seventy five year 181 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: old Soy being farmer in Indiana. And it's exactly what 182 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: you described, Alex, and what you described the seed saving concept. 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: And this is a very ancient practice. Seed saving is 184 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: something you do when you are a farmer because you 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: gotta make you kinda make more stuff to sell world. 186 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: You're not being a farmer. The gist of the argument 187 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: from what I understand here is that, as Justice Stephen 188 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Bryer sums it up, the gist of the argument is 189 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: that the law prohibits making a copy of a patented invention. 190 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: So is is a seed a patented invention? Monsanto does 191 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: own the patent to this, they do in the patent. 192 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: But it just really starts to get into some very 193 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: interesting territory when a natural process is considered copying or 194 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: is considered some kind of like almost corporate espionage of 195 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: some kind, you know. Uh. And it again, he it 196 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: was something that happened naturally. And this is how Justice 197 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: Elena Kagan something. It was a unanimous court decision to 198 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: force this farmer to pay reparations I think into the 199 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: tune of around eighty five thou dollars and I guess 200 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: lost revenue, uh for Monsanto, which seems insane, but this 201 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: was what she wrote. Are holding today is limited addressing 202 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: the situation before us. Rather than everyone involving a self 203 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: replicating product, we recognize that such inventions are becoming ever 204 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: more prevalent, complex, and diverse. In another case, the article's 205 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: self replication might occur outside the purchaser's control, or it 206 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: might be a necessary but incidental step in using the 207 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: item for another purpose. I think it's interesting because when 208 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: I first read this, I almost I thought it was 209 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: like a dissenting opinion, because it sounds like she's sort 210 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: of siding with the farmer, or at least sort of saying, how, 211 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: this is a complex issue that hasn't quite been presented 212 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to us before in this way. So it's a little 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: bit difficult to have a definitive view basing this on 214 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: other examples of copyright infringement because it's a natural process, 215 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: that's what she's in acknowledging that. It makes it a 216 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: little more complicated. I do love the argument Mr Bowman made. 217 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I know we kind of talked about the 218 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: self replication everything, but just having his argument saying, uh 219 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: that soybeans naturally self replicate or sprout unless stored in 220 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: a controlled manner, meaning that it was the planted soybean, 221 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: not Bowman, that created the new seeds, which is, in 222 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: my opinion, of great argument. It's like, look, the seeds, 223 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: they just they made new seeds. What am I gonna do? 224 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: See that's literally what seeds are designed to do. Yeah, 225 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: it is interesting, and I think you're right in terms 226 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: of how the court ruled on this issue. They made 227 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: it more a case by case thing. They did what's 228 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: called a narrow ruling because they wanted to be very 229 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: careful about what sorts of precedence they set. And I 230 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: think there have been this was in right, and I 231 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: think there have been some other similar cases that occurred afterward. Um. 232 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: But in this case, they unanimously ruled in favor of Monsanto, 233 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: which some people saw as controversial because one of the 234 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: justices at the time it was still a justice as 235 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: we record today, Clarence Thomas is a former lawyer for Monsanto. 236 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: He didn't recuse himself for anything. He didn't see it 237 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: as a conflict of interest. It never would that Monsanto 238 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: blood runs deep. I like this guy. I think he 239 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: is um. But I do love that they've rejected all 240 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: like fully, the blame the being defense, blame the being. 241 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: That's a T shirt. And so to our callers point, um, 242 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't know of any cases of Monsanto suing people 243 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: for replicating non mon Santo seeds. Oh yeah, that was 244 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: sort of his point, And I was a little unclear 245 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: as to what he meant by that, Like the idea 246 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: of storing seeds isn't inherently problematic. It's only problematic when 247 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: Monsanto feels like their patents are being um infringed upon. Yeah, 248 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: there is one other angle to it, which would be 249 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: the idea of seeds transgenic or GMO seeds contaminating adjacent farmland. 250 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: So let's say one farmer is using Monsanto seeds. Somebody 251 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: else right down the road or across the way is 252 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: not involved in that, but somehow these Monsanto seeds make 253 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: their way to that other crop. Is that patent infringement? 254 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Are they stealing? Is that? As one of the justices said, 255 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: what was that line, essentially bank robbery? That's right, Yeah, 256 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: I know it was very very strong language. I think 257 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the blame the wind defense, uh in 258 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: that case, because it generally would be the wind maybe 259 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: carrying the seeds over. I don't know, however, how else 260 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: the seed thrower mechanism defense, the old seed thrower defense, 261 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean someone through seeds away too far. Now here's 262 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: the thing too, To another point um that our caller made, 263 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: it is becoming increasingly more difficult to grow your own food. 264 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: This is not something that is uh so simple and 265 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: cut and dried to achieve because there are like zoning 266 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: laws that can literally make it illegal to grow vegetables. 267 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: There is a case in Herman Ricketts and her mind. 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't know h E R M I any her mind. 269 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: I guess Rickets and Tom Carroll her mine. They were 270 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: a couple from Miami Shores Village in Florida, and they 271 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: had a garden they've been growing for and taking care 272 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: of for seventeen years that actually supplied uh most of 273 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: their their food, their sustenance. And because of a change 274 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: in zoning laws, um, they were forced to up dig 275 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: up the garden, which just seems like so wasteful and 276 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: counter counterintuitive, you know, kind of like those laws restricting 277 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: collection of rain water. Have you guys heard about those? 278 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: So in some areas it is illegal to set up 279 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: a cistern to collect water. I think one of the 280 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: concerns was that it was messing with the natural water cycle. 281 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: People were collecting too much water and they weren't you know, nestle. 282 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Then then we get in trouble. They weren't getting it 283 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: from from an aquifer and drinking someone else's milk. Check 284 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: purify and sell it for a dollar twenty nine most 285 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: death check it out this episode is brought to you 286 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: by just Water. It's just water. It's just water in 287 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: a milk carton. It's a real product. It is a 288 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: real products Jaden Smith's company. Actually, yes, in this episode 289 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: is not brought to you by the Smith family or 290 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: just water, but it is just water. But you know, 291 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: to to to the whole argument here, do giant corporations 292 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: like Montsanto getting, you know, controlling so much of the 293 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: food that we eat? Is that inherently a conflict for 294 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: folks that are just trying to like grow their own 295 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: food and do their own thing. And it almost is 296 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: like it's become harder and harder to kind of, you know, 297 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: take care of our own in like the ways that 298 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: our forefathers once did, you know, because you will kind 299 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: of rely on these big corporations for everything from your 300 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: telecommunications to the food that you eat, and you'll need Uh. 301 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Last point, which is a scary point on my end, 302 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: is uh, you will increasingly as a farmer, need infrastructure 303 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: to battle against the changing climate. And it's infrastructure that 304 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: think can be quite expensive to implement. So there's a 305 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: reason that agribusiness profits or succeeds so often in opposition 306 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: to a small, smaller farming interest. I mean, think of 307 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: pesticides alone, right, I think of think of irrigation systems. 308 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: We're in a time now where Australia, which is already 309 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: a super dry country, uh and also a country with 310 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: large agricultural interest, things are literally catching on fire in 311 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: austral Elliott, and in California, And in California. Yes, you're right, Matt. 312 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: So in the future will we encounter situations where the 313 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: only people who can afford the necessary infrastructure to grow 314 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: food are large businesses that can sink millions of dollars 315 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: into irrigation, climate control, pesticides. Yes, I hope not. Was 316 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: that the wind? That was the wind of change? Boys. 317 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: The only way you're going to be able to grow 318 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: food from now on is if you build a giant wall. 319 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: That's right, Build the wall around your farm so that 320 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: no Monsanto seeds can make their way into your farm 321 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: and you won't get suited or vertical corporate farming. Hey 322 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: we did did we do an episode on that? I 323 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: think we mentioned it. Maybe it was a brain stuff 324 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: that Well, you're talking about here is the future map. 325 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the future Build that wall around your 326 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: farm or just you build the skyscraper and the planters. 327 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: Now people are doing that, I know, and I think 328 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: that's the only way it's gonna happen. It's gonna Manhattan's 329 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: just going to be filled with bean sprouts. So these 330 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: are fantastic points that you raise, Mr Alex, and thank 331 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: you for reaching out. We'd also like to hear thoughts 332 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: from many farmers listening to the show right now, like 333 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: what are some of the misconceptions that you think non 334 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: farmers have about the process of growing a crop, and 335 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: and how does a large agri business impact your day 336 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: to day operation? Great, hey, guys, what do you say 337 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: We take a quick break from a sponsor and then 338 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: we'll get back to another voicemail. I like it, all right, 339 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, guys, what do we what do 340 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: you say we listen to a story? I think that's 341 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: a great idea. I love it that this is a story, um, 342 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: while very tragic, told with utter humor and uh just 343 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: complete poise by this by this caller, and I was 344 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: just really take can buy it? And it's not necessarily 345 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: a harsh indictment of the funeral industry, but it does 346 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: go to show some of the things you might not consider, um, 347 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: when you set out to cremate a loved one and 348 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: attempt to scatter their ashes or do something that seems 349 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: very personal, but yet somehow you need the help of 350 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: these other organizations in order to get this done. Yeah. 351 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: Forward to hearing this, Yeah, and it really makes you 352 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: think about precautions you might need to take, things you 353 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: might want to think about when traveling abroad. So this 354 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: is this is a response to our big death episode. 355 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: It is Hi, guys, I just listened to your podcast 356 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: on the funeral industry and I have a story for 357 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: you that is amazing and kind of comical and depending 358 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: on how you look at it. Over ten years ago, 359 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: I was traveling in Southeast Asia with my husband and unfortunately, 360 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: he died while we were in the airport in no 361 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: He went into the bathroom and had a massive heart attack. 362 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Now there's lots of stories around that, but I want 363 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: to tell you the part that pertains to the funeral industry. Um. 364 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: He wanted to be cremated and I had him cremated 365 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. It cost me a thousand dollars and I 366 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: had to pay in cash, which is a crazy story, 367 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: and I had to iron all my money because they 368 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't take folded money, our dirty money. So I washed 369 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: my money in the sink and ironed it. Amazing experience, 370 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: um the whole thing. So they cremated him in Vietnam, 371 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: and he didn't get They don't burn at as high 372 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: as of a temperature in Vietnam as they do in 373 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: the United States, so there were lots of ashes they 374 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: burn that I was handed um was probably about a 375 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: foot and a half high by about eight inches two 376 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: ten inches across, and it was full of ashes, and 377 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: in fact, when they handed it to me, it was 378 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: still hot. It was an alabaster urn, and I had 379 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: to carry that thing on the way home. Now I 380 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: knew my husband's wishes were to be spread from the 381 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: top of a mountain in my home state. And when 382 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: I got home, I opened up this gignormous urn that 383 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: I had to carry the whole way and keep on 384 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: my body because of legal issues between countries and transporting 385 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: bodies and bloody blah blah, and the bones within the 386 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: urn you could I could still see pieces of his bones. 387 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: And I knew that if I allowed his children to 388 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: climb to the top of the mountain and throw these 389 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: out that I could cause a c s I type 390 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: UM incident with pieces of skull and leg. So my 391 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: story that pertains to the funeral industry in America was 392 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 1: trying to find a funeral home that would grind my 393 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: husband's bones. It was the hardest thing to do. I 394 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: had to call around to funeral home after funeral home, 395 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: and because they all were syndicated in this kind of 396 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: back door kind of way like you spoke about, nobody 397 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: would touch me with a ten foot pole. Even though 398 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: I had um uh paperwork from Vietnam and paperwork from 399 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: the US government in all the right paperwork to do 400 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: this bone grinding that I needed to do after the cremation. 401 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: So I finally found a local independent crematorium in my state. 402 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: It's actually the only one within all of New England 403 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: I think, um at least all within my state, so 404 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: we'll say that. And they, after I told them the 405 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: whole story, they agreed to help me, and I went 406 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: there and for a very small nominal fee, they ground 407 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: the bones for me so that his ashes could be spread. UM. Anyway, 408 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: it was an amazing experience. UM, and there are so 409 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: many incredible stories. I love your show. Thank you very much. 410 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm a full time studio artist and you keep me 411 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: busy and entertained while I work. So thank you so 412 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: much and have a great day, guys. Bye. Thank you 413 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 1: so much for writing into us. This caller's wish was 414 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: to remain anonymous, and we first and say thank you 415 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: for sharing your story and we're sorry for your loss. Yeah, 416 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: And I know it's been ten years, um, And it's 417 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: just I can't believe you had to go through that 418 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: whole situation. I can't imagine what that was like in 419 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: the moment. I I have to think that it was 420 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: just okay, well what do I do now? It's like 421 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: you go into just like taking care of business man 422 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: wow in the airport now less. And here's the thing 423 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: that I think is so fascinating about that story. First 424 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: of all, the idea of having to of the funeral 425 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: industry in other countries, which is something we did not 426 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: touch on at all in that episode. And the notion 427 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: that you had to pay cash and that it had 428 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: to be literally laundered, like like ironed and washed, um, 429 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: and I just that's just bonkers to me. But then 430 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: the whole idea of having to carry around this giant 431 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: urn on her person for legal reasons. That aspect of 432 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: it is is insane to me. And then how difficult 433 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: it must have been to find a small and a 434 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: funeral organization small enough that they could kind of like 435 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: go off the books and kind of say what, we're 436 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: gonna help you out, Because if I would imagine the 437 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: issues that she ran into when she said they wouldn't 438 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: touch her with a ten foot pole, as some of 439 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: these uh funeral groups that are associated with the larger 440 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: corporate parent companies, which I'm sure they have protocols and 441 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: things that they just they won't do. Yeah, well, and 442 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: you know this is a bit odd, but just if 443 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm playing devil's advocate from the perspective of these funeral 444 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: homes that said no, we won't grind up the bones 445 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: like Service Corporation International. Yeah, well, okay, just this is 446 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: just a different perspective. UM imagine if it was a 447 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: different story, a different person, maybe someone who's not like 448 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: our caller, someone who was a little more nefarious, who 449 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: had bones that they wanted to be ground up rightwork 450 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: not speaking not speaking about her situation in particular, absolutely 451 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: not and not seeing anything against her as just saying 452 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: I can imagine you might feel like perhaps legally you 453 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: might be in a weird position if you were to 454 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: take part in that action, like are you aiding and 455 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: abetting a crime? I mean, what it What it sounds like, Caller, 456 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: is that you, unfortunately, at at a tremendously tram at 457 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: a point in your life, ran into a bureaucratic approach 458 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: to death and tragedy. So, just like you're saying, Matt, 459 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: this is entirely speculation on my part, it sounds like 460 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: they had some existing policy that was boiler plate across 461 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: the board. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't 462 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: matter what what the circumstances are. This is something they're 463 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: not allowed to perform. That doesn't make it illegal for 464 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: a company to do that. It sounds more like it's 465 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: their internal policy rather than some sort of state or 466 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: federal law. Sure, and as we know, like so often, 467 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: large corporations are so averse to any potential litigation that 468 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: they will just go above and beyond to make sure 469 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: that there's not even a whiff of not following proper procedures, 470 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: which is why I Heart canceled my musical you know what, 471 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: Let it Go, Let it Go? Wait, No, that's not no, no, 472 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: not that that's that I I and to even give 473 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: you the titles of the songs, did it have anything 474 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: to do with a giant man eating plant? WHOA, we're 475 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: keeping that so yes, this is this is something that 476 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't think about. We're uncomfortable thinking 477 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: about death. You know. It's the one great unknown, and 478 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: it's always untimely. There's rarely a situation throughout the span 479 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: of human history where someone passes away and their loved 480 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: ones say, you know what, great timing that just worked out. 481 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: It's it's um. It's an event that Matt, I think 482 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: you said people need to prepare for, and a lot 483 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: of us don't. UM. And this is also a look 484 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: into um, a completely different world culturally, a different world 485 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: in terms of scenarial practices, but also in terms of 486 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: business practices. This is completely different. Like you said, no, 487 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: we focused on the US and North America at large. 488 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: I think maybe we mentioned a little bit about Europe 489 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: or some slight contrasting things. But everywhere you go these 490 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: sorts of laws regarding creation and burial, not to mention 491 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: the sorts of more aise, cultural moraise, and social conventions 492 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: regarding death and burial. They will change. This was a 493 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: very educational story in terms of some of these perspectives 494 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: that we might not see. But it was also I 495 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: just was really taken by how good humored you were 496 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: when delivering this story about what must have been probably 497 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: one of the worst days of your life. But to 498 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: have that perspective and to be able to tell it 499 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: in such a lighthearted and and entertaining way, that really 500 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: kind of touched me. I don't know, I really thought 501 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: that was a incredible story, especially personally. I lost my 502 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: father um and we had him. You made it and 503 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: even that I think I've talked about it on the episode. 504 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Was a big to do where you are required to 505 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: pay a lot of money for some kind of earn 506 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: or some kind of receptacle and even just for the 507 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, because we were doing it on a budget, 508 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: because the circumstances in which he passed away ended up 509 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: where we he didn't leave us any insurance money, so 510 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: we was very unexpected. I'll still leave it at that, 511 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: And so you know, the cost of the funeral was 512 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: an issue, and we were trying to make it as 513 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: affordable as possible, and there are these kind of hidden 514 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: costs um and ultimately we ended up getting in kind 515 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: of like this plastic box of which I still I 516 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: still have. I still have some of my father's ashes 517 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: in this plastic box, like keep in my closet. And 518 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: let us know if, if you're listening, if you can 519 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: relate to these stories, let us know what sort of 520 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: personal experiences you have had with this kind of unexpected tragedy. 521 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: Were you in a situation where you were traveling abroad 522 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: and you lost a loved one? Um, what if you 523 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: are not a resident of the US, what are some 524 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: uh what what are some of the death and burial 525 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: rights moray's and laws that you think would surprise your 526 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. You can let us know any number of ways, 527 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: which we get to at the end of the episode. 528 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: But for now, let's say we take a break for 529 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back and we're 530 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: going to switch gears here and talk about something that 531 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: came up from our episode about Aaron Trewick, the bio 532 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: hacker who passed away in a sensory deprivation tank and 533 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: a drug was found in his system, and we had 534 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: someone named Newtie call in and left us this message 535 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: hey Ben Matt. No, it's nearly a long time listener. 536 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: I shouted out to you guys like, ah wait, like 537 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: a while back and that you guys put me on 538 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: the air. I can't remember what it was about. I 539 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: think it was like Planet nine or something, but anyway, 540 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: I'll just recently listening to you guys, uh bio hacking 541 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: podcast with Aaron trey Way, and I wanted to reach 542 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: out and this call because, um, I do have a 543 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: little bit of experiment or experimentation, like back when I 544 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: was younger with ketamine, and you guys were talking about 545 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: the whole fact that whether or not he like faked 546 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: his death or if that was like a conspiracy or not. 547 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just saying that if somebody was on special 548 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: okay and going into a water chamber like the way 549 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: that the story played out, there's no way that somebody 550 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: that knowing me, that has taken that before, would put 551 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: themselves in the situation. It's just super crazy because you 552 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: lose like all functionality it completely. It puts you into 553 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: like hallucinations, You like pretty much crawl around on the ground. 554 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: It's super strong, and I mean I know that they 555 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: use it for like I was like doing some research, 556 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: like the use it for anesthetic uh or anesthesia rather 557 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: and use it for like chronic pain, and they use 558 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: it for tranquilizers and also like the animals for like 559 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: veterinarian stuff. But when human takes it, because are completely 560 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: like debilitated, like you can't do anything. So I mean, 561 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, if you're a human person 562 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: and you know about the drug and you're familiar with it, 563 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: there's no way that you would take it and then 564 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: go into even like a two foot pool what let 565 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: alone like submerge yourself in water, because you can't control 566 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: anything that's going on. But anyway, those are my thoughts 567 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: on it. Um. I think that it sounds super fishy, 568 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: and I really like listening to that episode. You guys 569 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: are you guys are awesome and I always am looking 570 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: forward to the next episode. All right, man, you guys 571 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: have a good night. All right, someone who has actual 572 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: experience with ketamine, that was some good insight for us, because, 573 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: at least for me personally, I've only read about this 574 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: drug online and its effects and never heard anyone actually 575 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: say this is what it does outside of the forums 576 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: that you can find online. An arrow late or something. Um. Yeah, 577 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to think about that drug when applied 578 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: to being in a deprivation tank. That seems like a 579 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: bad idea. And I think we were. I think we 580 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: mentioned that it seemed like a bad idea. Um. And 581 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: that's perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of 582 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: people thought there may be something fishy going on with 583 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: with his death. Yeah, and to your point, Nudy tree Wick, 584 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: Aaron trey Wick, the subject of that episode, he was 585 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: familiar with ketamine. Yes, as far as we he had 586 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: experimented with this substance before, So I can see with 587 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: that information why this would seem fishy when we talked 588 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: about the death of Aaron trey Wick. Originally, I don't 589 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: think I mentioned it on air, but it reminds me 590 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: of a strange episode as something that happened to me 591 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: off air years and years and years ago. I had 592 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: a series of circumstances. I ended up owning some lizards. 593 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: We have to go into it, and I got feeding them. Yeah, 594 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: I was figuring out what to feed these creatures. Where 595 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: the herbivorous, where the omnivorous? Were they carnivorous? Um? So 596 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: I can say what kind they were I'd rather not, 597 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: so I fed them. I fed them crickets. And I 598 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: went to a pet store to buy crickets, and the 599 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: guy who sold me the crickets it, well, are you 600 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: what are you going to do with these? I assume 601 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: you're going to buy them to feed another animal. And 602 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's that's the plan. And he said, okay, 603 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: we'll watch out because crickets are stupid. And I didn't 604 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: understand what he meant, but I kept the crickets in 605 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: a separate container and they drowned in in a very small, 606 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: still amount of water. I had no idea what I 607 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: was doing, you know, I just put out a dish 608 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: of water. And it was weird because they remained they 609 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: remained immobile and appeared to they appeared to drown. I 610 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: I am not a you know, a cricket surgeon or whatever. 611 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but it was distressing to 612 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: see things apparently dying in in a way of dying 613 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: in such a sedate fashion. And so I believe in 614 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: that episode, we concluded that aside from a couple of 615 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: troubling things, there's there's not a lot of dents that 616 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: Trey Wick was murdered except for some stuff with the door, right, Yeah, 617 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: the door was unlocked, I believe, and generally when someone 618 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: is in using one of those sensory deprivation tank rooms 619 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: at that facility, the door is locked. And now we 620 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: have another piece to this story, because as Nudi says, 621 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: there's not a person who has used ketamine in the 622 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: past would not put themselves in a situation. That's what 623 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: you said, right, You would not put what yourself in 624 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: a situation where there's a potential for you to asphyxiate 625 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: or to drown when you have lost mobility under the 626 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: influence of this drug. And it also brings up the 627 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: fact that perhaps it was a purposeful thing. And I 628 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: think we mentioned this to the idea that you can reach, 629 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: at least what I was reading on the forms, you 630 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: can reach such a euphoria with ketamine or such an 631 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: outer body experience that perhaps, um, dying while you're on 632 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: that drug may not be such a terrifying experience, or 633 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: it could be the most terrifying experience. Who knows, but um, Again, 634 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: it's really difficult to say anything conclusive about Aaron trey 635 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: Wick's death as far as what truly caused it. And 636 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: why now did he have ketamine in his system or 637 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: I thought that I remember hearing that they found it 638 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: in his clothes, like like a like a baggy of 639 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: it or whatever. But was there autopsy results that indicated 640 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: that he was in fact on the drug at the time. 641 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I'm not sure. I might have to 642 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: listen to the episode again. Um. You know, they believed 643 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: that he did have ketamine both on his person and 644 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: in his system into the autopsy. All right, Well, there 645 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: you go a lot of unanswered questions. They're still thank 646 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: you so much, Nudy for giving us a call. Let's 647 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: move on to a gentleman who has some information about 648 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: an exercise of sorts that occurred back in the day. Hey, So, 649 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that I've been listening to 650 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: you guys show a lot. I never really was into 651 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: conspiracies at all, but I love the thought that you 652 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: guys put into the conspiracies that you do. I've been 653 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: listening to a lot of your older stuff and I 654 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: came across the Operation Jade Helm episode and I thought 655 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: it was really interesting because I'm actually currently serving in 656 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: the Army Reserves and during one of our summer training exercises. 657 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: It was a month long and we were actually in 658 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: direct support of Operation jade Helm. We only were told 659 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: that it was Operation jade Helm. We're an ordinance unit 660 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: and so basically we were told we were just going 661 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: to go run AMMO. When we asked what we were 662 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: running AMMO for, they just said, we're just we're just 663 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: running AMMO. Uh. And we noticed that the guys were 664 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: coming in to get the AMMO. We're not conventional units, 665 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: so that was about all we knew about it. But 666 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I just thought it was really interesting that you guys 667 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: are talking about, um, the government keeping all these things 668 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: secret from civilians and stuff like that, but they kept 669 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: it secret from even people who were directly involved in 670 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: the operation. It was one of those things where I 671 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: got back home from this training exercise and I was 672 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: talking to someone who always has been kind of into 673 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: conspiracies and stuff like that, and I said, yeah, it 674 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: was called Operation jade Helm, I think, and then he 675 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: told me everything about it. Well, you know, I can 676 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea what exactly was going on in 677 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: this operation, so I can't even tell you anything even 678 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: if I wanted to. It was one of those things 679 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: where they kept it a secret from us, and I 680 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: imagine all the other hundreds of support personnel that we're 681 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 1: involved in that exercise. So I just thought I would 682 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: tell you guys that I thought it was interesting. Thank you, say, 683 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for calling in. This is a 684 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: This is another caller who did not identify themselves by name. 685 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: Correct you you may find this of interest in In 686 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: regards to jade Helm. In twenty fifteen, President Barack Obama 687 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: name dropped jade Helm. He said it is his favorite 688 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Really in in November, I think in an 689 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: interview with g Q. Yeah, and while it may seem 690 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: strange to some civilians in the audience, this idea that 691 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: you may you may be a member of the military 692 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: or in support of an operation and not be told 693 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: what the ultimate aim of that operation is. While that 694 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: may seem strange, that's not unusual. You know, the left 695 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: hand and the right hand don't need to know what 696 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: the other is doing, correct, Especially if you're just loading 697 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: everybody's weapons up with ammunition. They're just like, just keep it, olmen. 698 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite parts of the story too. 699 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: Why are we running ammo? We're just running ammo? It's 700 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: all good, and then all the guys, all the units 701 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: show up and they don't look like conventional units, and 702 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: you're just going, Okay, I guess this is what we're 703 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 1: doing now, jade Helm. This this was interesting and fastening 704 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: for us because this was an ongoing orum imminent events 705 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: when we recorded the episode, right, yeah, And there were 706 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: so many questions. You had places like The Atlantic, fairly 707 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: reputable source like talking about this is weird, this is 708 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: a strange exercise. What it It's huge, all these companies 709 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: getting together selling weapons, then all of these units getting 710 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: together and testing out the weapons, um and ammunition, and 711 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: what is it? What? What really is this thing? And 712 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: then they didn't have a jade Helm sixteen or seventeen 713 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: or eighteen or nineteen, at least that we're aware of. 714 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they just changed the name so none of us 715 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: would know, or maybe it's like Hines fifty seven and 716 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: it's a part of the hand. There's no fifty eight, 717 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 1: there's no fifty six. Yeah. The next one is called 718 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: Dark Boots nineteen. The botne uh. There is one interesting 719 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: thing that I don't think made it into the original episode, 720 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 1: And this may be of interest to anyone who dug 721 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: into jade Helm, both the actual event and the speculation 722 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: surrounding it. In retrospect, us intelligence agencies said that they 723 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: they found evidence. Again. According to them, they found evidence 724 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: that a lot of the fear and hysteria surrounding jade Helm, 725 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of the conspiratorial thinking surrounding it was 726 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: a product of Russian disinformation. Did you hear about it? 727 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: There was a Facebook page called Heart of Texas that 728 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: promoted these ideas and in Facebook shut it down because 729 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: it is associated with a Russian company known for promoting disinformation. Again, 730 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: this is a quartery. This is Uncle Sam's side of 731 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: the story, so your individual results may vary. There you go, 732 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: there you go. Well, thank you for writing in whoever 733 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: you are. Appreciate that story and giving us a little 734 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: insight and personal view and stay safe out there, yes please. 735 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: And I really want to know more about just like 736 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: an ordinance crew like that, Like what does that look 737 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: like when you're you are tasked with making sure that 738 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: everybody has the correct ammunition and enough of it and 739 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,879 Speaker 1: all that. Um, I've never thought about it compartmentalized that much, 740 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: where there's literally a crew of people who are running 741 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: ordinance like that, but it makes so much sense you 742 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: would need you would need that to be a thing. 743 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: I just it's never struck my mind as someone who's 744 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: never served in any way whatsoever. And we have a 745 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: lot of people in various military intelligence services who tune 746 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: into this show. So within the bounds of what you 747 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: are comfortable telling us, do you have some information that 748 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: you would like to share with your fellow listeners regarding 749 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: things like jade Helm or maybe domestic or international operations 750 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: of which the average citizen would likely be unaware? Yeah, 751 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: that is not going to uh cause a national security 752 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: incident by us playing it on the air. Please surely not. 753 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: I know, just just opening that out there because we 754 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: probably won't be able to play it if it if 755 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: it seems scary enough to us. But we massively appreciate 756 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: you taking the time to call in and guys, we 757 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: have done an entire episode with um what four phone calls? Yeah? 758 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: Maybe five, I don't even know. We kind of predicted 759 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: this is going to go this way, and it's like, 760 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: it's not something we can do all the time, So 761 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: why not make it a two parter? Guys, Let's do 762 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: it and then make and then do another one in 763 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: a few months because we're just getting so much good stuff. 764 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: We don't want anybody exclude did but uh, you know, 765 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: we got to get back to doing single topics eventually too, 766 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: and we want to hear from you, so stay tuned. 767 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: This is part one of a two part episode. We 768 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: will be returning very soon with war calls from your 769 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. In the meantime, if you would like to respond, 770 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: or if you would like to leave a message, you 771 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: can reach us directly. You can call us. We are 772 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t K 773 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: and that's just an acronym for stuff they don't want 774 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: you to know std w uh. Whenever we do that, honestly, 775 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: it's so difficult for me not to follow up with 776 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: in the morning. You know, it feels it feels like 777 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: a morning show. T d w y t K in 778 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: the morning. That's that's nice. But then we all have 779 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: to have obnoxious nicknames, you know. It's like Eyebrows and 780 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: the Gooch, Maddie two hands with the weather. I love 781 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: the idea that the intro song is so happy like that, 782 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: and then we're like, hey, it's bony j that's pretty fantastic. 783 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: Oh man, you guys. I'm so excited. I have to 784 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: announce this. I was a little quiet on that last 785 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 1: story because I was in the queue for King Gizzard 786 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: and the Lizard Wizard tickets and I got him hold on, 787 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. We were doing an episode and 788 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: you were waiting on tickets for King Gizzard and the 789 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: Lizard Wizard. That's right, where's the Where's where's the issue? 790 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: And you didn't get one for super Producer. I got too. Okay, 791 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: these guys are insane. This is the coolest live band ever. 792 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: And they're also like a lot of their stuff is 793 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: sort of about like kind of weird wizardy kind of 794 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: conspiracy type stuff and like psychedelic realms and all that. 795 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,399 Speaker 1: Big fan if you haven't checked them out out there 796 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: and stuff, they don't want you to. Land highly recommended 797 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 1: and if you have a chance to see them live, 798 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: you have to. Alright, well, um, hopefully you were paying 799 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: attention into the episode while you were listening to this. Alright, listens, 800 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: it was It was a very It was very important 801 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,439 Speaker 1: to me to hop on right at noon. These things 802 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: sell out very quickly. I can't clean about it. At 803 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: least you did. We appreciate that we all do all right, 804 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: so right to us or you can find us on 805 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: social media. We are conspiracy stuff in most places. Sometimes 806 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff shows specifically on Instagram. You guys have instagrams, right, 807 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: that's right. If you want to see some of my 808 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: recent adventures abroad, you can follow me directly. I'm at 809 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: ben Bullen. I am at Embryonic Insider. I have not 810 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: been abroad, but I have been traveled very narrowly right 811 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,720 Speaker 1: here in the city of Atlanta. Occasionally I go other places, 812 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: but it's mainly just pictures of pretty sunsets and and 813 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: my kid doing weird stuff. Oh that's awesome. Uh. You 814 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram. I am the F word, 815 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: but the actual F word. And then Jerry at f 816 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: Jerry that's my Instagram. Uh, not really, that's just the company. 817 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: Have you heard of that F F Jerry Campaign's something 818 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,959 Speaker 1: They've managed to get them down from fourteen point five 819 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: million followers to just a cool fourteen millions, so a 820 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: little at a time. Wow. I honestly don't know what 821 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: their actual Instagram is. I don't even if they have one. Uh. 822 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: That's what they are. They are, that's what they exist 823 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: as they are on Instagram page at f jerry Really, So, 824 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: if you don't want to follow Matt at f Jerry 825 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: or me at Embryonic Insider or Ben at ben bowling Um, 826 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: you could follow the show where we are at Conspiracy 827 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: Stuff show on Instagram. We're at conspiracy Stuff everywhere else. 828 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: You can also give us a call at that handy 829 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: dandy call in number where we are one eight three 830 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. If you don't 831 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: want to do do any of that stuff, you're can send 832 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: us a good old fashioned email where we are conspiracy 833 00:49:49,480 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com