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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew Well, Hello, welcome to in the Lab. This

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Speaker 1: is a special Zoom edition in the Lab. It's a

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Speaker 1: little later in the week, and I'm Drew Doherty and

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Speaker 1: that's John Harris Waven Actual. But it's a little later

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Speaker 1: in the week because I've been sick. I've had roe

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Speaker 1: voice issues. I feel like I'm kind of like Mark

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Speaker 1: vandermer Light, you know, having some voice problems. I didn't

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Speaker 1: chug honey like he does. I didn't have some sort

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Speaker 1: of weird recoction like he comes out. I just I

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Speaker 1: just rested. So we're doing this a couple days late, John,

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Speaker 1: because I just finally got my voice back. Yeah, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: And I've also been traveling too, because I've been out

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Speaker 1: pro days. I went to Bailar on Monday, I went

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Speaker 1: going to Teeth You today. And I've never been to

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Speaker 1: TCU in any way, shape or form. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's a long way. And then

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Speaker 1: I got to do live radio. I'm not gonna make

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Speaker 1: it back, and I just figured, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: gotta do live radio, So I'll just I'll pass on.

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Speaker 1: Although TCU would have been the better of the of

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Speaker 1: any of them to go to ye see Quinton Johnston,

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Speaker 1: to see Max Dug and throw see Dug and throw too,

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Speaker 1: Max Quintin Johnston. They've got some dbs. Trevias Hodges Thomlinson

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Speaker 1: is a player a villa at guard or center. And

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Speaker 1: that's interesting because he took some reps at the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bullets Center. There's been a lot of talk about him

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Speaker 1: potentially going to center. And I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: need some help on the interior, it's center. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I know my bees that I coached the baseball team,

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Speaker 1: they're they're good at center. We don't have a center

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Speaker 1: Well it's something to think about, of course, but there

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Speaker 1: then I just I couldn't do it, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: the owners meetings. And so I was like, oh, I considered,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're being sick me on the road. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I figured this is the best day to do it,

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. So it's all good, man. I hope you're

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Speaker 1: feeling well though. You sound okay, So it good. It's

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Speaker 1: a good step. Yeah. I think it's all the pollen.

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Speaker 1: You know, the two peak pecan trees in my backyard

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Speaker 1: And then I was so, I'm the head coach, you know,

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Speaker 1: my first grader, Oliver's baseball team, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: coached third base, and so I'm yelling, not yelling at

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Speaker 1: it down. But um, yeah, I'm because you have been

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Speaker 1: over the years, and they just aren't like they used

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Speaker 1: to be. But really, John, they're not as important, probably

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Speaker 1: shows you there's just you know, there's certain things you

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Speaker 1: scouts work, but that's what he relies on the scouts for.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to a quarterbacks pro day, that's

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Speaker 1: even more. Okay, great, he threw the ball against air fantastically. Yeay,

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Speaker 1: They go through they practice the script day after day

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Speaker 1: especially if the quarterback position is not how you respond

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