1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry and 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: this is the Stuff you Should Know Chili Caper Edition 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: Corporate Investigations, Las Vegas, saying Jose Chili Yeah, and that 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: means we get to use our special investigator nicknames Seattle Clark, Portland, 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Bryant and San Francisco Jerry Rowland. That's not bad. I 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: would have chosen Tawny kitay In for me. Yeah. That 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: was a very ham fisted way to set up an 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: in show mention of our three shows next week. Oh yeah, next, 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: it's actually lost on me, Chuck next Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: It's apparently lost on the Pacific Northwest because no one's 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: coming next Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We will be in Seattle, 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: Portland and in Francisco on January sixteen and seventeen at 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: the More Theater, Revolution Hall and the Castro for Sketch Fest. 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: And uh, you have a Into the World live Friday 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: night in San Francisco, and I have a movie Crush 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: live on Saturday afternoon in San Francisco. I also have 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: a Brooklyn End of the World one two on the 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: twenty four, just f y. I. Hey, let's not get 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: carried away here, all right, But those are the shows 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: we have coming up everyone, so uh, come on out. 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: There's still great tickets left at all three of these venues, 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: uh and all five probably I don't I'm not sold 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: out for movie crushing so uh and especially those uh 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: into the world of movie crush shows your best chance 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: to hang out and talk to us personally, because they 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: are more intimate venues, like I wear a neglige Well, 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Busy Phillips is there, so I'm gonna have on my 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: my dinner jacket. Oh very nice, trying to impress her 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: with my tuxedo, which is not impressive. Tuxedo and jeans 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: is a it's a it's a look. So get all 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the information at s Y s k live dot com 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: or for the sketch Fest shows. Just go to the 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: s F Sketch Fest site and come out and support 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: us everyone and shake our hand, pat us on the back, 37 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: or spit on our shoes. Don't do that. Don't do that, 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: spit between our shoes. Just make it close. You know, 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: if you really hate us spit between our shoes. There 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: you go, that's gonna end up on a T shirt. 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: I have a feeling. All right, let's talk about chili fingers, 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: all right. So, um back in two thousand five. Actually 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: it's getting the way back machine. Go watch this thing, 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: go down way back machine just for this short distance. Yeah, 45 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we can walk to two 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: thousand five. This is actually kind of great, though, because 47 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: when you're forty eight, almost to go back thirteen years, 48 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I want to go back and do it all over. 49 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, I'm thirty five, which I 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: thought was old. Yeah, but man, I'd love to be 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: thirty five right now. I'm pretty happy with forty two. 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I'm not quite I'm not quite 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: happy with the kind of catchers mit that my face 54 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: is turning into. But everything else I'm pretty glad about. Yeah. 55 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Just wait, just wait, Okay, you're staring down the barrel 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: of fifty and you're going, geez, I only got like 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: fifteen more good years left. That's so not true. Don't 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: you know? Fifties the new thirty five? Is it? Do 59 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: you know what's funny is all the people in this 60 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: Windy's in San Jose. We just showed up at her. 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Looking at it's like, what are these guys talking about? 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: I know they're like, get your superbar order underway. Yeah, 63 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: they're like, why don't you guys just be quiet and 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: listen to chumbawamba like everybody else's right now. I don't 65 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: think they had superbar in two thousand five. That was 66 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: more like the eighties and nineties. But still, what was it? Superbar? Yeah, 67 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: don't you don't remember that? No, Windy's in the eighties. 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the superbar, which was this weird combination of 69 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: tacos and pasta and salad and baked potatoes and baked 70 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: potatoes all just like whatever you want. I forgot all 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: about that, man, what a good idea. Yeah, the superbar 72 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: was a weird, weird thing, but I ate it. So 73 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: there is no superbar anymore. But there is. If you 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: look over, there's a woman named Anna or Anna Ayala, 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: and she is sitting with her in laws, her her 76 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: mother in law, her father in law, a brother in law, 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: maybe a couple other people, um, and she is about 78 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: to bite down into a bite of Wendy's chili that 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: she has just ordered at the San Jose Um Wendy's 80 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: downtown San Jose. Wendy's I believe March two, two thousand five. Yeah, 81 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: she's in her her late thirties. It's cold in San Jose. 82 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: She's from Las Vegas, so she's not used to this. 83 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: She's actually so she's from San Jose originally, but she's 84 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: moved to Vegas a couple of years ago. For she 85 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: has lived in Law Vegas lately and has been warming 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: in the sun there, and uh, it's like, I don't 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: like this cold. I'm gonna order some chili because Wendy's 88 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: chili is so so good. It's meaty and warm as 89 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: it puts it. That's right. And so she sits down, 90 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: she's eating this thing, and then all of a sudden, 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: look at her. She's just she's she's upset, Josh, she's 92 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: gone berserk. Everybody at the tables get their hands up, 93 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: like WHOA settled down, and she's like just pointed at 94 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: her chili, her chili cup, which she's reached the bottom of, 95 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: and she's saying that there's a finger in her chili 96 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: because she's just bit into a finger. Yeah, she looks 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: like she's about to puke. Um. I didn't see her vomit. 98 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: I didn't either, but in court later she would say 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: she did, so maybe we can be key witnesses. Right, 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: she's going up to the counter demanding I think she 101 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: just said to one of the cashiers, who did you 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: kill to get this finger? Which is a weird thing 103 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, she's yelling. Then everyone else in the 104 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: restaurant with chili saying, don't eat that fingers. That's finger chili. 105 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: That's right, finger chili no one wants. She's starting to 106 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: try to start a chant, I believe. And there's only 107 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: one guy that's still eating. And he said, yeah, I 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: ordered the finger chili, right, He said, I think you 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: got mine. So she's freaking out. Things are starting to 110 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: go down. There's a hubbub in the restaurant. Everyone's got 111 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: every She has everyone's attention. She's saying that she just 112 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: found a finger in her chili. The people at the 113 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: counter are incredulous. They're kind of poking at it a 114 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: little bit. They're saying, I think it's a vegetable or whatever. 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: It looks like a carrot to me, lady, right, A 116 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: very pale carrot with a fingernail on it, and it's 117 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: the fingernail really that does the trick. After this point, 118 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: it becomes clear to everyone in the Wendy's that there 119 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: is a finger that this woman just found in her chili. 120 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: There's a fingernail on it. It's about an inch and 121 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: a half of a finger from the tip to well 122 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: about an inch and a half down and she just 123 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: bit down on it and she found it in her chili. 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: So the Wendy's employees reacts with they dump out all 125 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: the chili, they call, they call the police. The police 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: come by and they say, well, this is a health 127 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: department kind of thing, really, And the police leave, and 128 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: the Wendy's employees called the owners of the franchise, J. E. M. Management, 129 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and they say, don't do anything that finger. Put it 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: in the freezer and we'll be there in the morning. 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: And at this point, Anna Leah leaves or Anna Ayala. 132 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: This is going to be very difficult, because I want 133 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: to say Elia, she leaves, Her families are taking her 134 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: family members are taking pictures of the location, and a 135 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: huge national story has just begun. By ten o'clock that night. 136 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: This happened about seven. By ten o'clock on the local news, 137 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: there's an unconfirmed report of a woman who found a 138 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: finger in her chili at Wendy's, and Dave Thomas gets 139 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: indigestion immediately. Well, he'd been dead a few years, so 140 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: that'd be phenomenal. I thought he was alive. Then he 141 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: died in two thousand two. Okay, Well he's rolling over 142 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: in his grave. But by this time, you know, he'd 143 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: really kind of made Wendy's like a really loved and respected, 144 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, restaurant, because everybody thought Dave Thomas was so great. Well, yeah, 145 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: and as are we out of the way back machine? 146 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Are we done? Play acting? I was serious, but yes 147 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: we are. Well you were seriously play acting. You were 148 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Laurence Olivier. Maybe I was delusional. I thought we were 149 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: in that one. Okay, so uh immediate, almost immediately, words 150 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: starts to spread on the news. Obviously, and as you 151 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: might well imagine the Windy's restaurant chain, especially in the 152 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 1: in the area in the Bay area near San Jose, um, 153 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: it really starts to take a business hit. As you 154 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: would imagine, people are not like, oh, they found a 155 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: finger in some Wendy's chili. That really reminds me how 156 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: much I love Wendy's chili, Right, let's go out and 157 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: get a hot cup, because they are sort of famous 158 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: for their chili. Oh yeah. I mean, like, if you 159 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: want chili at a fast food restaurant, you're going to 160 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Wendy's because you're not gonna find it anywhere else. They 161 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: really planted their flag on the chili market. Yeah, the 162 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: old an W's had pretty good chili. Oh yeah, but 163 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: you wanted that on a dog. Sure. And and of 164 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: course the Midwest still very famous for their skyline chili, 165 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: which is delicious. Is that I guess i'd be fast food? 166 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I think they actually have skyline chili restaurants. Yeah, yeah, 167 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: which is good. It's quite good. It is. Um. But 168 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: if you're going to go just about anywhere in the 169 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: US you have a hankering for chili, you're gonna go 170 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: to Wendy's. But, like you said, sales started to plummet, 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: and not just like chili sales, all wendy sales started 172 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: to take it hit, especially in the Bay Area, like 173 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: you said, especially in in the Western United States. People 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: were just kind of grossed out by this whole idea. Um. 175 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: But like I said, the the the cops had shown 176 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: up and decided it was a health inspectors or a 177 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: health departments jam. They didn't really have anything to do 178 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: with it. So the next morning, uh, the owners of 179 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: the franchise, the county health inspector, they showed up, I 180 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: think they contacted Wendy's communications department, and the gears were 181 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: starting to move. There was something that they had to 182 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: deal with, and that was basically threefold. It was really 183 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: twofold as far as Wendy's was concerned at first, but 184 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: the third one crept in pretty quickly. Whose finger was this? 185 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: How did the finger get into the chili? And then 186 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: after that who was this woman who who found the 187 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: finger in her chili? And so Wendy's really started to 188 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: focus on the first two because um one thing that 189 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: this whole the way that this whole thing played out, 190 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: the cops were very hands off at first. They felt 191 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: this was a health department issue, a public health issue, 192 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: and not a police issue, and basically said you need 193 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: to go figure this out yourself Wendy's and so Wendy's 194 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: had to do a lot of extra leg work that 195 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have had to do had the cops 196 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: decided immediately that it was a criminal issue. But in 197 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: the cops defense, it didn't appear immediately to be a 198 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: criminal issue. It appeared to be like a woman found 199 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: a finger in her chili at Wendy's and that's gross, 200 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: so go figure it out Wendy's. Yeah. I also bet 201 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: there was like one guy who literally ate went to 202 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: that specific Wendy's to get chili the next day and 203 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: was like, dude, that's the last place you're going to 204 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: find a finger in your chili. Now, there's no way 205 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: it would happen again. What are the chances. Yeah, like 206 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: flying on an airline right after they have a crash. 207 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: He's like, you go to Burger King, you're gonna get 208 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: a finger. They're gonna purposely give you a finger. Man, 209 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: don't be naive. Al Right, So did you introduce police 210 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Chief Rob Davis? Yet? Not yet? All right, So this 211 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: is the guy San Jose police chief that would ultimately 212 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: lead this investigation later on, though after Wendy's did a 213 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: lot of the initial legwork for him. Yes, he would 214 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: lead the investigation, and he uh he. Basically it was like, 215 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: I gotta find out who this lady is because Wendy's 216 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: they're operating on the downlow here. Uh. And this this 217 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: is a sort of a and apparently this is this 218 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: case is taught in classes now about like how to 219 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: handle a crisis as a corporation. Yeah, I've seen I've 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: seen it criticized. I've also seen it held up as 221 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: a as an example of what to do too well. 222 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, here's what Wendy's can and can't do. What 223 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: they can do is quietly throw a lot of money 224 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: at this investigation on their own, uh, and then publicly. 225 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: What they can't do is is start to go after 226 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: this lady and be too sort of um dismissive of 227 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: this finger like there's no way, lady, this lady's nuts, 228 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: she's whatever, she's after money, Like, you can't do that 229 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: as a public facing company. You have to be doing 230 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: all your due diligence sort of quietly. And they really were, 231 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: They really were. So how how about this, dude, Let's 232 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: take a break and then we'll come back and we'll 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: talk about the investigation that Wendy started. How about that? Chuck? Alright, Chuck, So, 234 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: like you said, Wendy's can't just be like that lady's 235 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: a liar. There's no way, that's our finger. Um. They 236 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: had to basically operate in the background. They couldn't appear 237 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: like they were obstructing the police investigation. They couldn't appear 238 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: like they were smearing uh Anna ayala, especially because the 239 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: early reports were very sympathetic to this woman too. Everybody's 240 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: very grossed out by this sure. Um. But at the 241 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: same time, they had they had to deal with this issue, 242 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: and they had to get to the bottom of whose 243 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: finger was and where the finger came from. Yeah, And 244 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: so the obvious first place to start is the restaurant itself. Uh, 245 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: the employees there. The very obvious first place to start 246 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: is to see if anyone was missing a finger. And 247 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: that's what they did. They said, show us your hands. Yeah, 248 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: everyone looked at the everyone's fingers. They were all there, 249 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: and they went all right, so far, so good. Uh. 250 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: They would eventually put everyone on staff through a polygraph 251 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: test um, which they all passed. Uh. They would obviously 252 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: then they would go to up the supply chain to 253 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: see if this thing might have because you know, these 254 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: things happen, um, yeah, rarely they do. Though. Well, I 255 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: found five other cases of fingers in fast food that 256 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: were that were legitimate. Oh yeah, so it happens up 257 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: to supply chain. You know, there can be an industrial 258 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: accident that leaves a finger in a bag of lettuce, 259 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: greens or something, and that might eventually find its way 260 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: to a Windy's superbar. Oh my god, you know, doesn't 261 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: have been much. I don't I wouldn't be too freaked out. 262 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm still freaked out. Well, we'll go over those at 263 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: the end. But they're going up the supply chain. They're 264 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: really doing their due diligence. They can't find. They offer 265 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: a reward at first of fifty grand, later a hundred grand. Well, 266 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: they set up yeah hotline for tips. But they're they're basically, 267 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: as time is going on, becoming more and more confident 268 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: that they did not have a finger in that chili, 269 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: right by their own fault. They traced the chili ingredients 270 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: to seven different suppliers, and they got documentation from all 271 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: seven suppliers that nobody at their companies had suffered any 272 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: kind of finger injury at any any recent time. And also, 273 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: like you said, doing at the store, doing at any 274 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: of the nearby stores had suffered any finger injury, let 275 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: alone in amputation. Um. And so Wendy's was like, this, 276 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: this didn't come from us, This didn't come from inside 277 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: our store. Um. And they also they kind of ran 278 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: a simultaneous forensic investigation as well. They hired a woman 279 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: named Dr Lynn Bates who's the CEO of a company 280 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: called Alteca out of Manhattan, Kansas. And if you are 281 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: looking for um evidence or study of a body part 282 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: that was found in food, you go to Dr Lynn S. 283 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: Bates and Alteca because they are they engage in forensic 284 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: food microscopy. That's what they do, is there. That's their 285 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: bread and butter is fine. Is is studying body parts 286 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: found in food, and she's been doing it since nineteen six. 287 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: So Wendy's went to her and said, here is a 288 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: piece of this finger. Was this finger cooked in this chili? 289 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: Whose finger is it? She's like, I can't tell you 290 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: whose finger it is, but I can't tell you that 291 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: there is no indication that this finger was cooked for 292 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: three hours in chili at a hundred and seventy degrees. 293 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: It just wasn't. So that was a that combined with 294 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: the the Wendy's No Wendy's employer or suppliers employers missing 295 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: a finger that told Wendy's everything they need to know 296 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: that they were being defrauded. Yeah, and you would think, 297 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: just grab a fingerprint, police force. Uh, And then they 298 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: weren't able to. They weren't able to. They said, if 299 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: they have found a hand, that they might could literally 300 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: look and compare fingerprints, but they they didn't get a 301 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: good enough print off it to uh to do a 302 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: legitimate database search, right right, They just had to sit 303 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: around and wait for that hand to show up. Because 304 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: that thing had been cooking in chili for three hours. 305 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: It had not been cooked in chili for three hours 306 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: at any rate. Um, So Wendy's knew what was going on. 307 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Now they had to go to the cops and say, 308 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: we're being defrauded. Not only did they have the search 309 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: for the missing finger investigation internally, and they hired Lynn 310 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Bates to to do forensic work on the finger itself, 311 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: they also hired a detective to start looking around it 312 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Anna Ayala, and the detective turned up some very interesting 313 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: stuff about her. Yeah, he was like, wait a minute, 314 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: this woman has filed at least thirteen civil lawsuits, some 315 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: against major corporations, and they he probably could have stopped 316 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: there and Wendy's would have just been like Dave Thomas 317 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: from the grave would have said, see there, she's no good. 318 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: That's a that's a good Dave Thomas. So that I 319 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: think he would have said, like she should still get 320 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. I don't know, man, when 321 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: you've when someone is this uh as a pattern of 322 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: litigious behaviors like this, Well maybe he finished with proved 323 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: me wrong one. There were a couple of notable ones. 324 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: Um that it's it's sort of uh, frustratingly hard to 325 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: find information. Um. She claimed that she won a thirty 326 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollar settlement from Elpolo Loco from medical bills from 327 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: her daughter getting sick from salmonella. Elpolio Loco has always 328 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: been on record saying never happened. We did not give 329 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: that lady a dime GM. She sued GM because the 330 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: front wheel of her her car came off and there 331 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: was an accident, and uh, that suit was dismissed with 332 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: prejudice when she fired her lawyer was a no show 333 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: in court. Oh is that what that means? No? No, 334 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: no with prejudice means you can't bring it back. Okay, 335 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: so you can't. She can't say well, like, well, I 336 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: didn't show up and my lawyer was bad, so let's 337 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: do this again. Okay, I got you. So basically it 338 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: was dead in the water. So she sued a former 339 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: employer for her sexual harassment. I'm not even gonna comment 340 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: on that one because I have no idea that could 341 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: very well have been legitimate if that one struck me 342 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: as possibly legitimate. But she dropped it right. She lawyered 343 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: up immediately with the chilly finger, and everything made Chief 344 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: Rob Davis very suspicious. Uh. And then this this guy 345 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: that lived with her family named Ken Bono or Bano. 346 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: What did you say? No, I've been saying. Bono hasn't 347 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: even occurred to me. It could be Bono related to 348 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: Bono Kim Bono. Because the cops are starting to ask 349 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: questions at this point, they do official investigations, they search 350 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: her house. She claims that they held a gun to 351 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: her head, ransacked her home, and like abused her daughter. Yeah, 352 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: it's quite a charge for a finger chili house investigation. 353 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: There's a picture of her and her daughter in the 354 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: driveway talking to a reporter and her daughter's got like 355 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: her arm in a sling, but like the kind of 356 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: sling you just go by at the at the drug store. 357 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: So this was a guy who lived Bono, lived with 358 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: their family, and when he's being investigated by the cops, uh, 359 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: he said that this finger came from our aunt. Are 360 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: are deceased aunt. It's her finger, all right, which is 361 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, especially because Anna I alas 362 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: said all of my ants are alive. I don't know 363 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: what this guy's talking about, even though he lives in 364 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: my house. Yeah, what was was he trying to get money? 365 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: I don't know what. I can't figure out. I couldn't 366 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: find much on that guy. Um, I don't know what 367 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the deal was. I also just saw references to a 368 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: rumor that the media had been reporting on that it 369 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: was her dead aunt's finger. So, um, I didn't see 370 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: how it came from him or what he was trying 371 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: to do with that. But that's that was the thing. 372 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: But that was just kind of like a little side 373 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: thread that I think also made the cops a little 374 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: more suspicious to like, that's just a weird thing to say, 375 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: even jokingly. Yeah, but they did actually get While it 376 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't lead to the who finger it was, that tipline 377 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: did yield some stuff at first. Right. So yeah, So, 378 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: like you said, Wendy set up a tipline, a hotline 379 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: that you could call in, and what they were looking 380 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: for specifically ostensibly was whose finger it was. That's what 381 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: they wanted information the owner of the finger. UM. But 382 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: they were taking any and all tips that people called in, 383 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: and they started offering fifty grand like you said, they 384 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: later up to to a hundred grand um and it 385 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: started to yield some tips, like pretty pretty much off 386 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: the bat. I think the San Jose Police and Wendy's 387 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: is funneling this information to the cops um as it 388 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: comes in, like as good tips come in. UM. But 389 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: two very early on came in from what the San 390 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Jose Police said. There were two different people who supposedly 391 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: did not know each other, who told very similar stories 392 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: about how Anna Iala had told them that she was 393 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: fleecing Wendy's, that all of this was just a fraud 394 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: for money to extort money from Wendy's in a lawsuit. 395 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: So that that combined with all the evidence that Wendy's 396 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: had gathered that it the finger had not come from 397 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: inside their store, UM, all of the Anna i Alla's background, uh, 398 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: all of that put together really turned the tide not 399 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: just on a police investigation, but also on the media 400 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: against Anna Iala. And she had started this, she had 401 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: created a huge media circus around the issue, Like she 402 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: went on Good Morning America and I could not find 403 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: I think Good Morning America just took the video down. 404 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: He probably just burned it because she just went on 405 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: and lied, lied, lied her through her teeth about what 406 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: had happened, and just pointed at Wendy's and said, like, 407 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: these guys screwed up, and this is the most disgusting 408 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: thing that could happen to somebody, And I'm torn up 409 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: inside about it, and they should pay on on national 410 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: news about a week after the incident. Yeah, So, like 411 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: you said, this is all playing out pretty quickly. It's 412 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: all over the news, it's all over late night talk 413 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: show comedy. Uh, just bad joke after bad joke coming 414 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: out of Jay Leno's mouth. I won't even repeat the 415 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: one that ed included. I like the Letterman, when did 416 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: you see Letterman's said that she'd been spotted going back 417 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: at Wendy's in ordering chili again because she was going 418 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: back to collect all five. That's good. You gotta give 419 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: it up for letting me what what was Leno's something 420 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: about him? They don't. The chili now comes with fingernail 421 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: clippers beside the fingernail clippers, and that really just encapsulate, 422 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: encapsulates the difference between those two men. It does, although 423 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: they have their joke writers, but still the love of cars, 424 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: I think is also a big differentiator. I don't think 425 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: Letterman really cares about cars. Shout out to Brian Kylie 426 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: and Rob Kuttner. Shout out to the mid nineties Letterman 427 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: Book of Top ten Lists that helped shape me as 428 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: a human being. Brian and Rob are Conan O'Brien's monologue 429 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: joke writers and have been for many, many years. Did 430 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I tell you you mean? And I went to see 431 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien live with Ron Funches and a couple of 432 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: other people. Yea, do some standards. It was so good 433 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: and we actually turned out we were staying. We were 434 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: sitting next to a member of the s Y S 435 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: k Army throughout the show. Oh no way. Yeah. He 436 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: was like are you Josh and you me? We were 437 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: like yeah, he was a good good guy, good kid. 438 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: You mean He's like, i'mum, but that's not Josh. Right, 439 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: He's like, well that's weird. I'm suspicious now, um, all right, 440 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: where were we? All right, it's all over the news. 441 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: This is all playing out very fast. But the the 442 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: drag net is sort of closing in um thanks to 443 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: Wendy's investigations, thanks to the cops getting involved, and uh, 444 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: miss Ayala is starting to feel the heat and like 445 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: anyone who and I think the cats out of the 446 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: bag now right. I think it was put the finger 447 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: in the chili. Yeah, anytime someone does something like that, 448 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: it seems like two things happened. They bragged to their 449 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: friends because they're dummies to begin with, and then that 450 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: net starts to close and it all starts to fall apart. Right. 451 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: So her response, and this is a pretty human response, 452 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: she basically said, once the media spotlight went from sympathetic 453 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: to her to wait a minute, who are you again? 454 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: And how do you explain this thing and that thing 455 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: and all this, she she was like never mind. Yeah, 456 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: that's basically what she said. She said, You know, I 457 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: can't handle this media spot eight or anything anymore. So 458 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna drop my lawsuit against Wendy's. We'll just 459 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: forget all about this, and Wendy said, no, we're not 460 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: going to just forget all about this. No, let's take 461 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: a break, shall we. We're going to take a break, chuck. So, 462 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: I can't surely when Anna Iala was like, Okay, I'm 463 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: just gonna drop the lawsuit and this will go away, 464 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: there had to only have been maybe one and a 465 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: quarter percent of her brain that thought that that was 466 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: actually going to work, that was actually gonna go away. 467 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: She seems like street wise and savvy enough to me 468 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: that that she knew it probably wasn't just going to 469 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: go away, that that was nothing but hope, right, I 470 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: guess I'm curious about that. Uh yeah, I don't know, man, 471 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: But like the more that they poke into her private life. 472 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: Then you learned that she and her husband James uh 473 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: Placincia had uh there was a and this one's hard 474 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: to get information on. Two. From what I can tell 475 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: is they sold a trailer trailer park trailer that did 476 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: not belong to them, Yes, for eleven thousand dollars. She 477 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: did specifically, I don't know that he was involved. He 478 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: may have even owned the trailer, but regardless, she did 479 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: not own the trailers sold it to a woman for 480 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars, and later on the woman and her 481 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: children were evicted um from the trailer that they thought 482 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: they owned that they didn't own. Yes, they also learned 483 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: that her husband, I guess from her previous marriage, owed 484 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot of money and child support, and so things 485 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: are starting to fall into place to where they're like, 486 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: this lady is always making up stories, ensuing companies, she's 487 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: always looking for that get rich angle. Her husband owes 488 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: a ton of money, and so this is all sorting. 489 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: They're starting to uh finger her if you will, for 490 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: this crime. It's the worst pun ever we met. We all, 491 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I thought we were going to make it through this, 492 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: but now I've even been saying tipline about it. But okay, 493 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: all right, it's done. It's out there. So they finally, uh, 494 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: like you said, even though she was like, oh well, 495 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: let's just forget about it, They're like, no, no no, no, 496 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: we can't do that. Uh. And then there enters a 497 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: lady that just kind of and it didn't end up 498 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: having the hugest impact on the case itself, but it 499 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: is worth mentioning this woman named Sandy Almond. Uh, this 500 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: is a little strange. So this is a woman who 501 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: owned uh exotic cats, big cats, leopards, jaguars, tigers. I 502 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: think is that how we're saying jaguars now jaguar? Yeah? Yeah, 503 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: tell that, Britt says it on the commercial. Is it 504 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: the year in sales of m up in here, Yeah, 505 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: the Jaguar X twelve. So this lady elms, they's big cats. Um. 506 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: This is uh not too far from Vegas where she 507 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: lives in parump Nevada, I guess, or is it California 508 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: on the California side? You know, I think it's Nevada. Okay, 509 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't know actually know that you mentioned it. Uh. 510 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: And she eventually, I guess, has to get rid of 511 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: these cats and calls in a rescue group that does 512 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: things like this. They're like, we're a wild animal orphanage 513 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and you're a dumb dumb who bought all these animals 514 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,239 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have had, so now we will deal with it. 515 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: And during this transfer of animals, she's attacked by a 516 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: spotted leopard and it bites off her finger. Yes, and 517 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: she says, she comes forward and says, I think that 518 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: is my finger. No, No, I think actually A person 519 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: who is at the wildlife rescue at the time, was 520 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: the one who called the tip line with that one, Oh, 521 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I thought, because she wanted to take a DNA test 522 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: and everything. Oh I didn't see that. Okay, alright, cool. 523 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: So she's the one who called and said that's my finger. 524 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: Well she wanted I don't know if she literally picked 525 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: up the phone and called, but she got involved such 526 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: that she wanted to take a DNA test to find 527 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: out if that was her finger, gotcha? Okay? Cool? Cool? Well, yeah, 528 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: because she had said that the last time she'd seen 529 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: it it was on ice in the emergency room. So 530 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: I guess she wasn't the sentimental type who's like, I 531 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: want my finger back, would you? Oh yeah, floated from aldehyde. 532 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: You me would probably have the thing gilded and wear 533 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: it around her neck. Uh yeah, I'd be like, that's 534 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: my finger on yous neck, check it out. Um. But 535 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: so the the whole thing was just a red herring 536 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: though a blind alley right like it it went nowhere. No, 537 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: it was not her finger. No. Um. There were some 538 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: other tips that came in about the finger. Um. There 539 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: the Mexican can authorities, I guess just over the border 540 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: got involved because it was rumored that a an incident 541 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: with a ranch hand losing a finger in Mexico had 542 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: been the source of the finger um as, even as 543 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: Anna Ayala, who, by the way, that whole tip about 544 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: the trailer um sale, the trailer scam that came in 545 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: from Wendy's hotline as well. By this time, I believe 546 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: it was day uh twenty two. No, I'm sorry, it 547 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: was day thirty thirty two. I believe about a month 548 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: after the incident originally happened. Anna Ayala and Jamie Palencia Plasencia, 549 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: her husband, we're both arrested in Las Vegas, him for 550 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: the child support payments, failure to pay child support, her 551 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: for that trailer scam. And so while they're on ice 552 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Wendy's is still conducting this investigation. San 553 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: Jose are still conducting this investigation, and and they've got them, 554 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: they have them on this other stuff. But I guess 555 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: they just kind of kept them from running and that's 556 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: why they arrested him, uh, knowing that they were eventually 557 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: going to build the case. I'm not sure, but that's 558 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, because I think about fifty two days 559 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: after she walked into that Wendy's and put the finger 560 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: in the chili and took that bite. Um. They they 561 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: charged them for grand theft, for basically defrauding Windy's. Yeah, 562 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: and at this point, as far as the police we 563 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: were concerned, They're like, we don't even need to know 564 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: whose finger this is at this point, right, like that 565 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: that's really immaterial. But Wendy's they still have a public 566 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: relations crisis going on, and they're like, we really would 567 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: like to find out where this finger came from, just 568 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: so like as many facts out there as possible will 569 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: really help us restore our good name if we can 570 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: actually pinpoint whose finger this is and exactly how this 571 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: happened and let everybody know what what went on. Yeah, 572 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: so they they actually that's when they up the um 573 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: the reward from fifty thousand to a hundred thousand, right, 574 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: and that's when they hit the jackpot, which is ironically, 575 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: they got two callers on the hundred thousand dollar line 576 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: head color you're on the dollar, and then for the 577 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: next thirty seconds like hello, am I am I on? 578 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yes, you're on, You're on in 579 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: my life right now? They called the two people called 580 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: one to this day, as far as I can Tell 581 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: has remained anonymous. The other one was a guy named 582 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: Mike Casey, and Mike Casey owned a company called Lamb 583 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: Asphalt out of Las Vegas, Nevada, and he happened to 584 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: be the employer of Jamie Plasencia. And he said, it's 585 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: weird because you arrested one of my employees, one of 586 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: my longtime employees, um for this scam. And I also 587 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: have another employee named Brian Rossiter who lost a finger 588 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: not too long ago, and I think they might be connected. 589 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: I think that might be Brian Rossiter's finger. And that's 590 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: how the whole thing finally came crashing down because they 591 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: got ahold of Brian Rossiter. They gotta They gave him 592 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: a DNA test. They matched it to the DNA taken 593 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: from the finger, and they said it's Brian Rossiter's finger. 594 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: Brian Rossiter worked with Jamie Plasencia. Jamie Plasencia was married 595 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: to Anna Iala. Anna Iala found a finger in her 596 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Chili ipso facto, something's rotten in Denmark and that's how 597 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: it stands. Yeah, And it's even a little weirder when 598 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: you find out the details. So Brian is at work 599 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: someone slams the tailgate of the truck on his hand, 600 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: cuts an inch and a half off of his finger. 601 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: Can you imagine, dude, no, uh, cuts off his finger. 602 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: And it's funny too because Ed points out, instead of 603 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: like driving to the hospital, which is what any normal 604 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: person would have done, he had owed Placentia some money placentia. 605 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: And this is a man, a husband of a woman 606 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: who it seems like they're both always looking to scam somebody, 607 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: and they're looking for the angle. He sees this finger 608 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, you owe me money. Some people 609 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: say it was fifty bucks. We don't know for sure. 610 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: I saw a hundred almost everywhere. Okay, so let's say 611 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: it's a hundred. He's like, you give me that that finger, 612 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: and we'll just call it square. And not only that, 613 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: my friend, but if you ever hear about this finger 614 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: in the news, keep it quiet, and I will give 615 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: you a quarter of a million dollars at some point 616 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: in the future. That's what they call the carrot and 617 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: the other carrot. Yeah, so he said, just drip some 618 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: blood on this roof shingle, and that will be our contract, 619 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: right right right it Just sign X with your stub, 620 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: your bloody stuff, this old used roof shingle. I saw, 621 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: actually I saw that he did go to the hospital 622 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: and came back to the work site with his amputated finger. 623 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: And that's what Jamie Presidency was like, Hey, hey, I'm 624 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: sure he did that. What you canna do with that 625 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: any sense at all? Yeah, that he would just be like, 626 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: wait a minute. So they so, so Brian Rossiter gives 627 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: him his finger, and that's where the whole thing began, 628 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: just a couple of months before, right, Yeah, And I 629 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: think didn't didn't Rossiter himself also called the tip line. 630 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: I didn't see that anywhere. Okay, I heard he called 631 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: the tip line himself because he knew at this point 632 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: he was getting no money out of the scam, so 633 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: he thought, let me try and get this hundred grand 634 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: at least. And Wendy's never would cop to whether or 635 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: not he got any tip line money, right, And so 636 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: Mike Casey, the guy who from all from everything that 637 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: it seems he was innocent of this, he just happened 638 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: to put two and two together because he knew the 639 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: guys um He said originally, hey, you know, my asphalt 640 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: company maintains the lots of a few Wendy's around here, 641 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: and they've always been good to me, so I wanted 642 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: to help out. That was an article in May. An 643 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: article in September is Mike Casey saying, you know, Wendy's 644 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: never paid me that money for the hotline, So I 645 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: don't know if he ever got it, but from what 646 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: I saw, he was gonna have to split it with 647 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: the one other anonymous caller. I don't know if that 648 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: was Brian Rossater or not. Maybe Brian Rossater was scared 649 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: that Jamie Plasencia might do something if he found out 650 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: that he had been he had tipped him off for what. 651 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: But supposedly Mike Casey and this anonymous caller, we're going 652 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: to um split that hundred grand. So whether Wendy's actually 653 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: pay that money or not, that remains to be seen. 654 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't see that anywhere. Well. In 655 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: the end, uh Y'alla and her husband. She got sentenced 656 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: to nine years. He got sentenced to twelve because I 657 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: think they piled on him for the probably child support 658 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: right or was it the trailer scam? Yeah, he know, 659 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: he got three in the third years for the um 660 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: the uh, the child support thing. Okay, Um. I don't 661 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: know how long he actually served. I think she only 662 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: served about four of that nine um. She later revealed 663 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: some more details, including that she did cook the finger. Yeah. 664 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: Uh apparently was not a It wasn't a raw finger, 665 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 1: nor though was it cooked in a hundred seventy agree 666 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: chili for three hours. But it was cooked a little bit. 667 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: I think she just literally probably put it in a 668 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: pan and was thinking like, oh, wait a minute, I 669 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: bet I bet they didn't think I would think of 670 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: this right, and cooked up the finger a little bit. 671 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: One thing that she didn't think of the chuck was, um, 672 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: she didn't bite the finger, And they found out pretty 673 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: quickly through forensic investigation that there was no bite in 674 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: the finger. Nor did she throw up in the restaurant 675 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: like she said she did, because there were people in 676 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: the restaurant. They were like, nah, I don't she didn't 677 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: vomit that I saw, And employees were like, no, she 678 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: didn't throw up that I saw. Her father in law 679 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: and mother in law both said, um, that they saw 680 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: her throw up, but yeah, there was no evidence of 681 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: vomit anywhere in the bathroom or around her table or anything. Yeah, 682 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: And they did a pretty bad job. Yeah they did. 683 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna use a nasty word to characterize it, 684 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: but it's the family show. So well. These are the 685 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: worst kind of people man, These litigious like just like 686 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: work for your money man, going around suing corporations. I know. 687 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: So Wendy's supposedly lost two point five million dollars in 688 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: verifiable lost money. They had to cut people's hours. This 689 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: is another thing that kind of gets left off a lot. 690 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: They had to cut the hours of the employees UM 691 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, in particular because there was such 692 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: little foot traffic coming through their stores. So when they 693 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: were convicted and sentenced, Jamie Pleasencia and Anna Ayala were 694 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: um sentenced to pay back a hundred and seventy thousand 695 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: plus dollars in lost wages to the Wendy's employees. Oh 696 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: and they were also ordered to pay uh five hundred 697 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: thousand to a management who owned the Wendy's and then 698 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: like another another substantial amount to Wendy's if if they 699 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: ever profited from the crime man bad people. She was 700 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: banned from Windy's, which I don't know how you enforce that. Yeah, 701 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: I was wondering that myself. Actually, it seems uh like 702 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's every Wendy's has a picture 703 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: of her something like that. I know what sports stadiums 704 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: they do that when people are banned, and that is 705 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: a little more enforceable because like you can literally just 706 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: have everyone be aware of that person. That's like checking 707 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: tickets and things. But you can't How can you keep 708 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: someone from coming into any Windy's anywhere? I don't know. 709 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: They can try. At least they can send a message 710 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: by saying, uh, you can't come here any longer. Arby's 711 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: two fingers two thousand four, two thousand twelve, No, uh, 712 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: Coal's frozen custard in Wilmington, North Carolina. Finger two thousand five, 713 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: t g I Friday's Hamburger had a finger in two 714 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: thousand six. Wow, And those are all verified and they 715 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: found you know, like, uh, it was in the supply chain, 716 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: like someone lost a finger and it got mixed in 717 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: and it's very just very unfortunate. I'm sure there were 718 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: quiet settlements on those. I'm sure too. This bizarre. I 719 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: had no idea that that happened. I thought it was 720 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: almost always either a case of mistaken identity or a hoax. 721 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that actually really happened, you know. Oh yeah, well, um, 722 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: that's the Wendy's Chili finger caper. If you ever wanted 723 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: to know about it, now you do, and we're glad 724 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: that you do. We're glad we were the ones that 725 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: told you. And if you want to know more about it, 726 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: go read contemporary articles at the time. It's awesome just 727 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: to see something like that unfold. It's so cool. Uh 728 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for the listener, 729 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: mayo and hey, shout out to Wendy's. I'm sure I 730 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: don't know if they like people still talking about this 731 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: or not, but they did not put a finger in 732 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: anyone's chili. Yeah, good point, clear, good point. All right, 733 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: even gonna call this Adidas Puma. Hey, guys, just finished 734 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: listening to the few you between Addie and Ruddy Dassler. 735 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to say I really enjoyed it. My dad 736 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: is actually from uh Hertz Generach. You were an Adida's 737 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: family through and through when my godmother, aunt aunt Helga 738 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: worked for Adidas as an administrative assistant for years. In 739 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: addition to this, almost jumped out of my seat when 740 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned the mayor of hurt So you spoke of 741 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: Dr German Hawker and how he reft a soccer match 742 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: wearing one adidasue and one Puma. My uncle Hans was 743 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: the mayor right before Hawker was Yeah, I knew you 744 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be referring to him because he wouldn't have been 745 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: caught dead in even one Puma because of my aunt's 746 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: work at the opposing shop. I didn't wear Puma gear 747 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: myself until I was grown and could buy it myself, 748 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: and my entire German family called me a trader. Uh. 749 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: And this was in the early two thousand, so the 750 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 1: tension is still real. Um. I'm sure it was lighthearted 751 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: at least I hope it was. In any case, I 752 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: just want to let you know your research was spot on. 753 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: I really love hearing about something I knew a little 754 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: bit about. By the way, I also use your show 755 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: in my classroom teaching twelfth grade government in Civics, and 756 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: the kids love it. So shout out to Jennifer Westerner, Uh, 757 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: Gazoe at Thompson Stations, Tennessee and your senior government class. Well, 758 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: thank you, Ms Gigo and class. That's probably not pronounced right, Gaugo. 759 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: I have no idea Gaucho GeV. Yeah, Gansho goodnev. That's 760 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: what it is. UH. If you want to get in 761 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: touch with us to say HI about an old episode 762 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: or for whatever reason, you can go on to stuff 763 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: you Should Know dot com, check out our social media 764 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: links and UH. 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