1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Time, luck and load. So Michael Very Show is on 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: the air. 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight, Joe Biden exited the presidential campaign 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: because it was learned that he'd been plagiarizing speeches and 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: lying about his bio. And the idea was that all 6 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: these things he had claimed were lies. He's dishonest and dishonorable. 7 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: I still remember the Sam Donaldson story on him that 8 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: basically exposed him for all the lies that he was telling. 9 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: All right, Syraccu's losschool, Biden was involved in a plagiarism incident. 10 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: He quoted five ages of someone else's work without proper citation. 11 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: He was given an f. 12 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: But appealed to the faculty and allowed to repeat the course. 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: He got a be This comes in the middle of 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: another controversy about plagiarism in Biden's campaign speeches. Today, he 15 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 3: dismissed charges that he routinely adopts phrases from other politicians' speeches. 16 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: Called it much ado about nothing. Essentially, Biden said, everyone doesn't. 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 4: The notion that every thought or notion or idea you'd 18 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: have to go back and find an attribute to someone 19 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 4: I think is quite frankly ludicrous. 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: But to the political community in Washington. It all seems 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 3: of a piece, plagiarism at law school, plagiarism on the stump, 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: for example. 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: But this standard is not a measure of how we 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: can evaluate the condition of our society. 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: Cannot measure the. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: Health of our children, the quality of our education, the 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: joy of their play. 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: This is how it sounded when Robert Kennedy said those 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: words in nineteen sixty eight. 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 5: Yet the gross national product that's not allowed the help 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: of our. 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 6: Children, the quality of their education, for the joy of 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 6: their play. 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 7: Biden gave Kennedy no credit. 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: He is also quoted, or paraphrase John Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: and British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock all without credit. 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: That our generation of Americans will pay any price, bear 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: any burden, accept any challenge, and meet any hardship. 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 3: President John Kennedy's inaugural nineteen sixty one. Biden's critics say 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: he sells himself as a man whose words and visions 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: can inspire a new generation in politics. But if the thoughts, 42 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: praises and visions really belong to others, it's a form 43 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: of false advertising. Robert Kennedy's friend and speech writer. 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 6: If what he did was to present Robert Kennedy's thoughts 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 6: and statements and speeches as his own, then of course 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 6: it's counterfeit. 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: So how very appropriate that Kamala Harris would be the 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: vice president when thirty six years later Joe Biden managed 49 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: to get into the White House. And she's just like him, 50 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: a liar, a cheater, a stealer. So she wrote a 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: book back in two thousand and nine, well she didn't 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: write it, but it had her name on it, called 53 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: Smart on Crime. She was the District Attorney of San 54 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: Francisco at the time, because she's good at something, and 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: Willie Brown put her in that job. So we'll get 56 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: to her stint as da in a bit, But first, 57 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: it has now been discovered that parts of that book 58 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: were copied and pasted directly from Wikipedia. If you were 59 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: a high school student, you'd be expelled for this nonsense. 60 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: Our very own Thornton Finch with a. 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 8: Story, Ladies and gentlemen, let's check in on Vice President 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 8: Kamala Harris and see how her reputation is doing now. 63 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 8: If you thought political campaigns were all about mudslingen and 64 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 8: not about originality, you'd be Right's reign. But today we've 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 8: hit a new level of borrowing that make even the 66 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 8: most shameless politician blush, Because yesterday, folks, we learned that 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 8: the Democratic nominee might have taken a leaf from someone 68 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 8: else's garden when she penned smart on Crime back in 69 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 8: two thousand and nine, you see this. Austrian professor Stephen Webber, 70 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 8: the plagiarism Hunter, pointed out Harris was playing the copy 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 8: paste game with a refined finess of a high school freshman. 72 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 8: And I ain't talking an ap student. I'm talking about 73 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 8: one of them dumb ones from that wing of the 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 8: school nobody goes to. In a word, her intellectual theft 75 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 8: was blatant, from news article, studies to even a Wikipedia page. 76 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: Yep, you heard that right. 77 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 8: She lifted quote her unquote words write out of Wiki 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 8: b Godpedia. In conclusion, while we've got allegations flying around 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 8: like bees at a barbecue, let's not forget the humor 80 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 8: in it all. Listening to the word salad queen speak, 81 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 8: are we really that surprised she can't much write either. 82 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 8: I'm Thornton Finch for the Michael Barry Show, Good Day. 83 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: Jd Vance wrote the bestseller of Hillbilly Elogy, Hillbilly Elegy, 84 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: which is autobiographical. So he's written an actual book himself. 85 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: And as he points. 86 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 9: Out, I saw today actually a story that Kamala Harris 87 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 9: apparently copied some significant chunks of her book from Wikipedia. 88 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 9: So if you want a president with their own ideas, 89 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 9: vote for Donald Trump. 90 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 7: If you want a president who. 91 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 9: Copied ideas from Wikipedia, vote for Kamala Harris said. 92 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: In the first time she's been called plagiarizing a story 93 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: took her Carlson back in twenty twenty when he was 94 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: at Fox News with this. 95 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: According to Kamala Harris, when she was a young child, 96 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 5: she attended a civil rights march. Of course she did 97 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 5: in Oakland, needles to say. And during that march she 98 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 5: was so focused on the liberation then in progress, she 99 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 5: saidbody became separated from her parents. 100 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: She was in a stroller. 101 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: Here's what Kamala Harris says happened next. 102 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 7: When were you out there protesting? 103 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 10: Well, I was in a stroller. 104 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 7: It was in a stroller. 105 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: And so I was out there. 106 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 10: And in fact wanted used to having a very funny 107 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 10: story about I was fussing, and she said, Kamala. 108 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: What do you want, And I said, and this. 109 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 10: Is how she would say it. And she said, Kamala, 110 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 10: what do you want? And I said, tweetom. 111 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 5: She just wanted freedom where she said fweedom. Which is 112 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 5: funny because both of Kamala Harris's parents were immigrants from 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 5: other countries who came here because when they arrived in 114 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: the sixties, it was a totally free country. There was 115 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: no Jim Crow. Actually, Kamala Harris didn't grow up under 116 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 5: anything like that. 117 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: She grew up in a country. 118 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 5: That's freer and more equal to the wam we live 119 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: in now. 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: But whatever. 121 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 5: Kamala Harris made the same claim to El magazine in October, 122 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 5: and a similar story appeared in the books that Kamala 123 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 5: Harris claims to have written, both in twenty ten and 124 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. Did you know she was an author? In 125 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: addition to the former girlfriend of Monte Williams. 126 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But here's the amazing thing. 127 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 5: In nineteen sixty five, which was fifty six years ago, 128 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: Martin Luther King himself told Playboy magazine an almost identical story. 129 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: King said that he saw police quote accosting a young 130 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 5: girl in Birmingham, Alabama, and we're quoting who was walking 131 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 5: in a demonstration with her mother. According to the Reverend 132 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 5: Martin Luther King, the police officer asked, what do. 133 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: You want, and just like Kamala Harris, that. 134 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: Girl responded freedom. 135 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 11: Is this not? Yes? 136 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: It's nauseating. 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 9: The worst president, the worst vice president in the history 138 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 9: of our CHRISTT. 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 7: Michael Berry. 140 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: We can't afford four more years of this. Yesterday was 141 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: Columbus Day. God all is Today we celebrate civilization coming 142 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: to the Americas. Now, kids today have been taught that 143 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: that was evil and awful. You wouldn't have roads in 144 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: the Americas today, you wouldn't have medicine. This idea that 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: everything was pure and honorable and decent before the white 146 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: man arrived. No, no, there was savagery by people on 147 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: other people before the Europeans arrived. Shouldn't be afraid of 148 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: shame to say this. It's a fact. This idea that somehow, 149 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: the people who were there at the time of European 150 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: arrival sprang up out of the soil and it belonged 151 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: to them only because they stole it from someone else, 152 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: who stole it from someone else, who stole it from 153 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: someone else. Let's get that straight. But the idea is 154 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: in every way, shape and form to take brick by 155 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: brick and this mantle every aspect of American society turned 156 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: one against another. White men are evil, Christianity is evil. 157 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: Our veterans are evil, Our police are evil, our institutions 158 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: are evil. Our history is evil from people desperate to 159 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: come here and live. And that's how they've acquired power. 160 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: And we've let it happen, we Americans. And there's an 161 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: interesting thing happening. A lot of blacks who saw this 162 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: as a good thing are now realizing. Wait, we're the 163 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: ones they're throwing under the bus next. That's right, that's right, 164 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: yesterday being Columbus Day. I'm reminded of a few years 165 00:10:52,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: ago when Kamala Harris talked about making it indigenous peoples. 166 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: You'll be left with no culture by the time she's finished, 167 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: if this woman gets elected. 168 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 12: It is an honor, of course, to be with you 169 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 12: this week as we celebrate Indigenous People's Day, as we 170 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 12: speak truth about our nation's history. Since nineteen thirty four, 171 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 12: every October, the United States has recognized the voyage of 172 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 12: the European explorers who first landed on the shores of 173 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 12: the Americas. But that is not the whole story. That 174 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 12: has never been the whole story. 175 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: Those explorers ushered. 176 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 12: In a wave of devastation for tribal nations, perpetrating violence, 177 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 12: stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not shy away 178 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 12: from this shameful past, and we must shed light on 179 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 12: it and do everything we can to address the impact 180 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 12: of the past on Native communities. 181 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Today, Kamala Harris will say anything, and so will all 182 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: wrong already Colin Alred, who is controlled by California money 183 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: and who repeats this California nonsense, the Californication of America. 184 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: They're trying to take the Senate seat in Texas because 185 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: if they can take the Senate seat in Texas and 186 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: get rid of Ted Cruz, even if Trump wins, that's 187 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: one more seat to harass him with. There's a debate 188 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: tonight for those of you in Texas, and I'm going 189 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: to tell you something. If you vote for Trump, you 190 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: got to vote for Cruise because without Cruise there to 191 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: defend him and to work on his behalf. Trump endorsing 192 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: Cruise earlier today. By the way, without Trump, without Cruise 193 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: there to support Cruise, you'll have one more person harassing him, 194 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: and you don't want that back to Kamala Harris. She 195 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: was on Roland Martin Unfiltered. I don't know if you 196 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: know the story about Roland Martin scrolling through on his 197 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: little video zoom podcast, an image popped up that I 198 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: don't think he wanted the public to see. But if 199 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: you've never seen that, it's quite funny. I want to 200 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: play her answer to something, and I want to see 201 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: if you can guess what she's and what the question 202 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: is that she's answering. This is not altered here it is. 203 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 12: You know, there's this whole I talked with somebody wants 204 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 12: to say, you know, if you just look at where 205 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 12: the stars are in the sky, don't look them as 206 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 12: just random things. If you just look at them as points, 207 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 12: look at the constellation. What does it show you? So 208 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 12: you just outlined it, Roland, what does it show you? 209 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: What could she have been talking about? Number one, Donald 210 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: Trump's a racist? Number two? How Leif Erickson found his 211 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: way to America about five hundred years before Columbus. Number three, 212 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: How she was a big part of the Biden administration's decisions. 213 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Let's listen to the full clip to see. 214 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 13: Make you feel when he trashed his black cities. So 215 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 13: in twenty twenty, he talked about voting in Fulton County, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit. 216 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 13: There was a partial recount of Wisconsin only in Milwaukee. 217 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 13: The comments that he just made about Detroit basically being 218 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 13: a living hell and Oakland, DC, Chicago. 219 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: Pretty damn ed, pretty good. Pretty good? 220 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 13: Damn man, y'all dropped out. I actually liked it. Jamille 221 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 13: hill I talked about it. But again he's singling out 222 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 13: cities where there are significant African Americans, and that's who 223 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 13: he's talking about. 224 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 7: Black people. 225 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 12: Yes, yes, you know there's this whole I talked with 226 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 12: somebody once he said, you know, if you just look 227 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 12: at where the stars are in the sky, don't look 228 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 12: them as just grand of things. If you just look 229 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 12: at them as points, look at the constellation. What does 230 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 12: it show you? So you just outlined it Roland, What 231 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 12: does it show you that the cities that he picks 232 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 12: on in terms of black population or a black. 233 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: Mayor are both. Come on, will the black populations have 234 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: black mayors. That's been a trend for a long time 235 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: and that's not going to change. But let's look at 236 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: Detroit and see why Trump would call it a hell hole. 237 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, the national unemployment rate was four percent. 238 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: Chicago's unemployment rate was six point eight. Detroit has one 239 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: of the highest poverty rates in the country. In twenty 240 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: twenty three it was thirty percent. The national average is 241 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: eleven point five. Median household income is thirty six thousand. 242 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: It's seventy thousand rest of the countries, and we haven't 243 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: even gotten into the crime rates go. 244 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 12: Today of everyone's thinking they can actually live the American chruch. 245 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: The Michael Berry Show, whether in writing, by email or 246 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: on the show, for the rest of us to hear 247 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: who you're voting for and why now. A lot of 248 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: our folks who feel more comfortable calling because we're recent 249 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: to the syndication and we're new to a lot of 250 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: our markets. A lot of the folks are going to 251 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: be in Texas, so I suspect you'll hear some Ted 252 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: Cruz in there as well. In time, we'll get more 253 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: calls from those new markets. But the reason I'm asking 254 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: people to do that, it's going to be mostly a 255 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: Trump versus Harris question, is I want people. I want 256 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: you you specifically, I want you to get comfortable. I'm 257 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: a Southern Baptist and we do something called giving our testimony, 258 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: and that is how you came to the Lord, What 259 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: was your where were you in your life, where were 260 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: you at that moment, what led you to And it's 261 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: a very powerful thing to hear someone talk about something 262 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: because often it resonates with you and it empowers you. 263 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: And I want people to explain. You know, what you 264 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: see on the national TV and on the stage and 265 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: all that, that's fine, but I want people to hear 266 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: grandmothers and grandfathers and mothers and fathers and truck drivers 267 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: and unemployed folks, and I want people to hear that. 268 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 2: I want you to realize every single vote and how 269 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: you get their matters. And I think this is a 270 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: very helpful exercise. 271 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Dan, you're on the. 272 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Michael Berry Show. Who are you voting for? And why. 273 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 14: Rear guard. We're covering what has unfortunately become a retreat 274 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 14: by those of the conservatives who want to keep things 275 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 14: the way they are against those who want all these changes. 276 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 14: You know, I'm not opposed to change, but this election 277 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 14: is most likely going to be the most controversial this 278 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 14: country's ever seen. If the Democrats win, they're going to 279 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 14: use it as a rallying cry change the political and 280 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 14: mechanical structure of our government. I think the next big 281 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 14: ticket item for them is going to be the electoral College, 282 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 14: and if they manage to do away with that, with 283 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 14: all the people they promised citizenship too to come into 284 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 14: this country, They're just going to put themselves in power 285 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 14: and stay there. And I'm just opposed to that kind 286 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 14: of thinking. We need to keep things the way they 287 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 14: are and make change where we need it, but not 288 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 14: necessarily for the best. 289 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: Steve, you're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir. 290 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 15: Well Number one is I kind of lost my train 291 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 15: at the home because I've waited so many calls. But 292 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 15: in two thousands, six seam when that election happened, you know, 293 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 15: I was thinking of the lesser of the two evils, 294 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 15: and I voted for Trump, but I fell in love 295 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 15: with the guy. 296 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: He has done so much for us. 297 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 15: This is a billionaire that will not quit, will not 298 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 15: quit on America. 299 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: He loves this country. He's been shot. 300 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 15: At once and assassination TIMPs after that, and he is 301 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 15: I mean, he blows my mind. I would take a 302 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 15: bullet for the guy, and I'm going to vote all 303 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 15: the way down the board. But I do question the 304 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 15: fact that the woman that called in about Dan Crenshaw 305 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 15: and our other congressman. 306 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: Do we still go that route with those guys? 307 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 15: I guess so because they're better than the Democrat Again, sir. 308 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, at this we got to beat the Democrats. 309 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: At this point, we got to beat the Democrats. Kevin, 310 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: You're on to Michael Barry show. 311 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 7: Go ahead, Sure, how you doing, Michael. 312 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 11: I'm fifty one years old and this. 313 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 7: Is the first time. 314 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 11: In my entire life I've been eligible to vote in 315 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 11: an election. And actually Ramone was critical in getting me 316 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 11: registered to vote, because up until. 317 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 7: Last week, I didn't even know I had to register. 318 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 11: And I called Ramone told me where I needed to 319 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 11: go and how I needed. 320 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 7: To do it. So I really appreciated him for that. Trump. Yes, yeah, 321 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 7: I didn't know where to turn. I looked online. 322 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 11: I was dumbfounded by the answers I was getting as 323 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 11: to where to go register, how to register, and I 324 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 11: listened to your show every day, and so I just thought, 325 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 11: let me call in, and I told Ramone what my 326 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 11: issue was, and he went online whatever he did, and 327 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 11: told me this is the address you need to go 328 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 11: to and so I went there and I got registered 329 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 11: for the first time in my life, and it was 330 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 11: the lastast day of eligibility to register. 331 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 7: So it's good. So I'm voting for Trump. 332 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 11: Two reasons, Well, there's one reason I'm voting for Trump 333 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 11: and one reason I'm voting for Democrat Republicans down the ticket. 334 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 7: No. 335 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 11: When I got out of prison in twenty twenty, the 336 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 11: economy was in good shape dollar forty eight for gas, 337 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 11: interest rates were low, and I have since then. When 338 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 11: I got out, didn't own a pair of boxers, and 339 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 11: now I have been extremely successful what I consider an 340 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 11: extremely successful. 341 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 7: Business doing custom cabinets and trim work. 342 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 11: I have six guys working for me. I have a 343 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 11: big warehouse, I live in a nice house. 344 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 7: Now, I got a great marriage. 345 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 11: My life is really turned around because I was determined 346 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 11: to turn it around. 347 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 7: And so I'm voting for Trump. 348 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 11: Because I believe that if he's back in office, the 349 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 11: money I'm making will be able to go further. Because 350 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 11: I ruined my life for so many years, spent so 351 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 11: many years in the penitentiary and acting like a fool, 352 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 11: I have no retirement. 353 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 7: And so I have a very short. 354 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 11: Amount of time to be able to do this, and 355 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 11: I'm making great money right now, and I really believe 356 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 11: that if he's back in office, the economy will get 357 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 11: to something where I can actually start saving and having 358 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 11: some retirement plans where I don't have to rely on 359 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 11: my wife's four oh one K plan. 360 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 7: How old are you now? The reason I'm going down there? 361 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 6: Huh? 362 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: How old are you? 363 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 7: Excuse me, fifty one? 364 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 365 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: No, this is the age you got it, you want 366 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: to do it. People think you wake up when you're 367 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: sixty five and start saving for retirement. 368 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: It's not. 369 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: You're on the track for that. Tell me what got 370 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: you into trouble, because maybe there's somebody out there that 371 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: can see that there is life after idiocy, and you 372 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: sound to me like a guy that's on track and 373 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: ready to start living. 374 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 7: Yes, idiocy is an understatement, Michael. It was drugs. I 375 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 7: mean it didn't start out. I got into the crime. 376 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 11: Justice system when I was thirteen years old, being stupid 377 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 11: with the friends, stealing cars, doing dumb stuff. But then 378 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 11: in my later teen years got involved in drugs and 379 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 11: just have been through the revolving door of the prison system, 380 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 11: probation system, parole system, and this last prison bid that 381 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 11: I did was a seven year bid, and it broke me. 382 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 7: Two years into the bid, I told myself, this is it. 383 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 7: I'm done. 384 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 11: I cannot do this anymore. I'm in my forties. I'm 385 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 11: looking at all these young knuckleheads in here, and I 386 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 11: just I had a moment where this is it. 387 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 7: I have to be finished, and I'm getting out with nothing. 388 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 11: And I'm okay with that. But I'm going to be 389 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 11: determined to not fail. And I've just kept every day. 390 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 11: You know, I got out of prison during COVID when 391 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 11: COVID just hit, so I was stuck. I couldn't get 392 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 11: any identifications because everything was closed, so. 393 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 7: I couldn't do I couldn't work, but I. 394 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 11: Refused to fall back in to the lifestyle I used 395 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 11: to be in, and I just pushing forward. 396 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 7: And then finally everything opened up. 397 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 11: I was able to get identifications, got my driver's. 398 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 7: License, got a job, not making very much. 399 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 11: Money at all, very very little money actually, And you know, 400 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 11: I just kept pushing every day. And then another opportunity 401 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 11: presented itself and I got a better job, and then 402 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 11: things kept doing. Then an opportunity presented itself for me 403 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 11: to start my own business, and so That's what I did. 404 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 11: And you know, it's just every day it's grown exponentially. 405 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 7: It's huge. 406 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 11: I'm in the luxury home market here in Houston. I 407 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 11: do all the interior term work and custom cabinets for 408 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 11: a company that throws luxury homes. 409 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: Plus I have my. 410 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 11: Own I contract with them, and then I have I 411 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 11: also do you know, smaller remodeling jobs and stuff when 412 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 11: when necessary. 413 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: Joe Biden became mentally impaired with the Marco. 414 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 7: Berry Kamala was born that way. 415 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: Our phone number to the show is seven one three one. 416 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: If you're ever not able to get in, you will 417 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: be able to leave a voicemail, and we play those 418 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: on occasion as well, often on Fridays. One of the 419 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: things we've been doing is asking people to share with 420 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: us by email and by phone who you're voting for 421 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: and why. And I believe if I can get people 422 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: to stop living in a silo our nation. This feels 423 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: like the German occupation of France, or for that matter, 424 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: where people have to pass messages privately, they have to 425 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: look over their shoulders before they can say how they 426 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: feel about a political issue. Everyone is so scared, and 427 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: this was how the left wants it. This is a 428 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: scarecrow effect. You see, people don't speak out because they're afraid, 429 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: and so they police themselves. You've got churches where pastors 430 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 2: are saying, we don't talk about politics. Well, you don't 431 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: have a government that allows your freedom to religion of religion, 432 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: you don't have a church. Stop being a coward. We 433 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: got too many cowards in the pulpit in this country 434 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: right now. That's not to say every pastor is a coward, 435 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: but we got too many that are is yours is yours, 436 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: is yours leading the flock, is yours following the lead 437 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: of the Bible as he's commanded. Huh, good question. How 438 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: long did you end up serving all in Kevin? 439 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 7: Twenty two years? 440 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: What was your drug of choice? 441 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 7: Oh? I went through the gambit. I ruined my life 442 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 7: with every joke. See I'm somebody who's very loyal whatever 443 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 7: it is I do. So I ruined my life on 444 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 7: cocaine first, and I ruined my life on heroin. And 445 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 7: then I ruined my life. And when I say ruled 446 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 7: my life meanings. 447 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 11: So I've ruined my life, ended up in prison, got 448 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 11: out of prison, and then ruled my life with another drug. 449 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 11: Did that for years and then went to prison, come out, 450 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 11: and then went to another drug. 451 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: What was that after heroin and. 452 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 7: Nothing fetamis and then after that that. 453 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 11: One that was well, that was that was it? Cocaine, heroin, 454 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 11: and mess Those are the three. 455 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: So compare the effect that those had on you. 456 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 7: Well, cocaine. You know, I was listening to you a 457 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago. 458 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 11: You were you wanted people are calling to talk about 459 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 11: cocaine and how how it feels. Cocaine is it's it's 460 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 11: a different drug. It has different effects with the different 461 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 11: ways you adjested, whether. 462 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 7: It be intervening. 463 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: Kevin, I we got disconnected there for a second. You 464 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: were you were talking about these drugs and the effect 465 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: they had on you. Tell me about that. 466 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 11: Yes, So, as I was saying, the cocaine has different 467 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 11: effects in the different ways you ingested, and I did 468 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 11: all three ways, the smoking, crack, iv use, and then 469 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 11: also snorting, and I went through different periods. So when 470 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 11: if I snorted cocaine, I would want to do that 471 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 11: when I was out at the bar, the club, you 472 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 11: know it was in the nineties and you know, you 473 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 11: run off in the bathroom, snore line, come out, you 474 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 11: got the music going, you have good time with your 475 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 11: buddy shoe Pool. 476 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: All that. 477 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 11: Crack was more of a you got to hide in 478 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 11: the hood. You lay up in some dirty, nasty house 479 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 11: and and you get paranoid. 480 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 7: Uh. 481 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 11: You know it's funny because you look back at it 482 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 11: and you say, what, what the hell was I thinking? 483 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: Why did I want to do that? 484 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 11: The problem is what happens, Michael, is that And it's 485 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 11: the reason why I think drugs can grab a hold 486 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 11: of people. 487 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 7: Why they grab ahold. 488 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: Of me is when I would get high. 489 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 11: I knew I was doing something wrong, but I would 490 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 11: get high, and then when I came when I started 491 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 11: to come down, reality would set in as to what 492 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 11: I've done. So rather than deal with what I've done, 493 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 11: I just get high again, and you just try to 494 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 11: stay high. And then that's at a certain point it 495 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 11: just becomes your life, like that's all you do. Everything 496 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 11: nothing else matters. Heroin was Heroin was a bad one 497 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 11: because heroin makes you feel like you can conquer the 498 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 11: world when you first start using it. I mean, I've 499 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 11: done some of my best work. I've had work published 500 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 11: in magazines that I can look at those pictures and 501 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 11: go I was I was high. 502 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: On heroin the whole time. I did that job because 503 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: of the focus that it would give me. 504 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 11: But then eventually it just starts, you know, destroying because 505 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 11: and it happens usually financially, because your habit grows and 506 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 11: grows and grows and grows to a point where you 507 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 11: can't afford it, and so then you have to start 508 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 11: doing stuff like stealing for it. And then the EMAI 509 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 11: you're missing work because you can't work as you're sick. 510 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 11: You need your drugs, so you have to miss work 511 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 11: to go try to get your drugs, and then you 512 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 11: end up losing your job, and it just becomes a. 513 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible thing. 514 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 11: And it took me far too long to realize I 515 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 11: needed to end that cycle. But the thing is is 516 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 11: I did realize I needed to end it, and I 517 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 11: did end it. 518 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: What did you learn in my life at the prison? 519 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: Twenty two years a long time? What did you learn 520 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: inside prison? Well that you look at now about? So 521 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: how did it make you look at society differently? 522 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 7: So, Okay, twenty two years is not a one stretch. 523 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: Twenty two years was in and out years. 524 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: You passed it? 525 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 11: Okay, yes, exactly, And I'm going to tell you a 526 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 11: story that I tell a lot of people. 527 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 7: It was in two thousand and eight. I was in 528 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 7: a prison in Connecticut and I. 529 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 11: Was standing up on the top tier looking down into 530 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 11: the day room, and this old school black dude was 531 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 11: staying next to me, and I looked down at everybody, 532 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 11: and I told him, I said, look at that, Look 533 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 11: at all. Every walk of life is represented in here, 534 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 11: from the kid who grew up with the doctor parents 535 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 11: and the great you know, everything great in life to 536 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 11: the kid whose mom, you know, was was on crack 537 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 11: and leaving him in the streets and all this. I said, where, 538 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 11: because it was the whole question of nature verse nurture. 539 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 11: And he said something that was fairly profound to me. 540 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 11: He said, and now we're going to get into a 541 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 11: cultural thing. But he said, you see, that kid who 542 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 11: grew up in the nice neighborhood with the good parents 543 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 11: who cared about him, he's in here. He made a mistake. 544 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 11: The likelihood of him making this mistake again is less 545 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 11: because he's going to get out to a support system. 546 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 7: But that other kid that grew up in the hood, 547 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 7: this is not a. 548 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Mistake for him. This is a badge of honor. 549 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 11: This is what his dad has done, this is what 550 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 11: is uncles have done, this is what he is supposed 551 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 11: to do. And so this cycle will continue to repeat itself. 552 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 11: And it was really quite depressing. But the one thing 553 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 11: stee me, Michael, I'll get somewhere, and I'm a chameleon. 554 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: I can adapt, I will I will quickly. 555 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 11: Survey my surroundings and understand how to fit into. 556 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: Wherever I'm standing. 557 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 11: And so for most of those years in prison, it 558 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 11: was just me trying to well. 559 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 7: I wasn't trying to learn. 560 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 11: Anything other than how can I survive in here without 561 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 11: any issues? How am I going to And so that's 562 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 11: what all my attention was. I never had people on 563 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 11: the outside, you know. Really, I'd get mails. 564 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: Once in a while, and I never made phone calls. 565 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: So when I was in that was it. I was. 566 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 11: I was alone, and so I had to learn how 567 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 11: to deal with that. And I never thought about anything 568 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 11: but that, and then I would hit the street, and really, 569 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 11: you know, at that point it was too late. I 570 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 11: didn't do anything while inside to prepare myself for the street, 571 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 11: for getting out and not going back. 572 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: So, as I said on this. 573 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 11: Last bid, about two years in I had had enough, 574 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 11: and so I went to work on myself. I went 575 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 11: to I mean I spent countless, countless. 576 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: Hours and hours and days and days weeks just. 577 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 11: Reflecting on my life and trying to go through every 578 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 11: situation that I could remember from when I was a kid, 579 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 11: and try to think, how did I think about, How 580 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 11: did I. 581 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: Feel about that? How did I react to it? Did 582 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: I react properly? Did I not? Could I have reacted better? 583 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 11: I started writing in a journal and I started seeing 584 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 11: patterns developed. 585 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: Kevin, give me just one moment. I do want to 586 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: continue this conversation. I want to talk about the what 587 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: is it patterns