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Speaker 1: We're gonna have Peter Schweizer on the show today. He's

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Speaker 1: out with a new book called Blood Money, Why the

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Speaker 1: Powerful turns a blind eye while China Kills Americans. For

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Speaker 1: this book, him and his team of forensic investigators spent

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Speaker 1: more than two years going through a trove of restricted

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Speaker 1: Chinese military documents, data mining on American financial records, and

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Speaker 1: tracking political leaders, investments, and family businesses. So what did

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Speaker 1: they find? That's what we'll get into with Peter. You know,

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Speaker 1: just how much does China control or politicians, what industries

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Speaker 2: How does that impact Americans?

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Speaker 1: All that and more with Peter Schweizer, author of the

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Speaker 1: new book Blood Money. Well, Peter, it's always great to

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Speaker 1: have you on the show. You always just have the

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Speaker 1: most interesting information, so I always do a great job

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Speaker 2: So I just really appreciate you making the.

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Speaker 3: Time absolutely and enjoy it. LI. So thanks, thanks.

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Speaker 1: So your new book, Blood Money, you talk about why

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Speaker 1: the powerful turns a blind eye? I guess you know,

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Speaker 3: It's a good question. I think there's some people in Washington,

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Speaker 3: when you realize what China is doing to the United States,

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Speaker 3: They profited from it, either directly or indirectly, and it's

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Speaker 1: You know, we know that Senator Dianne Feinstein had employed

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Speaker 1: Did you get into to what extent and how often

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Speaker 3: I think. I think there's a fair number, and they're

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Speaker 3: at very high levels. In blood money. I talk about

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Speaker 1: For Mitch McConnell, you know, to what extent is he

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Speaker 3: It's pretty deep and it's pretty financial. It goes back

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the reason you will have Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 3: Well, he was involved in his Sun's business dealings. And

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Speaker 3: So you essentially have Lisa one disagree of separation between

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Speaker 1: And to what extent is China involved in our sentinel crisis.

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Speaker 3: They are really the senior partner. The drug cartel are

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Speaker 3: cartels at cost. In other words, they're not price gouging them. Now,

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Speaker 3: the final link in the chain is the money laundering.

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Speaker 3: Any drug cartel that is making money needs to launder

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Speaker 1: You know, you're always covering dis government corruption over the years,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, in terms of some of the active activities

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Speaker 3: we'll see Gavin Newsom differently after they read this book.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course that's concerning because you know, he clearly

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom went to China recently, he said he'd talked

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Speaker 1: And of course this makes it impossible to hold China

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Speaker 1: As China distracts us with, you know, all these internal

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a great question. They call it disintegration Warfare.

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Speaker 1: Quick break more on how China controls our country. Was

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. They use every really conceivable tool,

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Speaker 3: They're required to do so according to a nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: No, that's I mean, because you would think that if

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, you know, look, if

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Speaker 3: that that's a huge problem. But when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: they will leverage the position and you have to be

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Speaker 3: prepared to walk away, and these companies aren't. They think

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one of the really sad things

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Speaker 1: learned that everything is profit driven. None of it's about

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Speaker 1: our health, none of it's about our inter or best

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Speaker 1: interest or America's best interest. You know. It's the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is always money and greed for the people in

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Speaker 1: charge it, it seems, which is sad.

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Speaker 2: What do you hope people take away from this book.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of things. First of all,

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Speaker 3: I think we have to be alert and aware of

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Speaker 3: what's going on. I wrote this book because initially I

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Speaker 3: was looking at so many things happening in this country,

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Speaker 3: the domestic violence, the social division, the chaos, and I

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Speaker 3: wondered what was going on and realize that, yeah, there

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Speaker 3: are divisions in this country. I'm not minimizing that, but

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Speaker 3: China is absolutely exacerbating them. So the first thing is

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Speaker 3: awayareness of what's going on and who is doing this

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Speaker 3: to us. The second part is to recognize those leaders

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Speaker 3: that are failing us, that will not talk about this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not just corruption that's putting money

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Speaker 3: in the pockets and politicians. This is corruption with real consequence.

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Speaker 3: It has a body count associated with it. If there's

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Speaker 3: grounds for optimism, I would say, Lisa, I think if

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Speaker 3: you read the book, you're going to be shocked and

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Speaker 3: upset by what China is doing, what our leaders are doing.

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Speaker 3: But I think you're also going to come away with

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Speaker 3: the fact that perhaps we are not quite as divided

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Speaker 3: as we all think we are. China is absolutely fanning

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Speaker 3: the flames. They're doing so they run millions of social

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Speaker 3: media accounts in the West posing as Americans. I described

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Speaker 3: this in the book. Half of them basically say America

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Speaker 3: is a hopelessly racist bigot in society. The other half

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Speaker 3: basically say I only like white people. They're doing this

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Speaker 3: to try to magnify divisions that I don't think are

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Speaker 3: as severe as they actually are among ordinary people. So

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Speaker 3: there's grounds for optimism here, I think as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we always try to have some of

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Speaker 1: that on the show. It can get pretty dark out there, Peter,

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Speaker 1: as you.

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Speaker 4: Know, yes, so you're saying there's a chance, Peter Schrowvisor,

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Speaker 4: it's always I always enjoy having you come on the show.

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Speaker 2: You're always just the wealth of information.

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Speaker 1: You do so much research and we just always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you bringing that to the show. So just thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time, and thanks for writing the

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Speaker 1: book and bringing our attention to an issue that's really important.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Lisa, it's always good to be on

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Speaker 3: with you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And that was Peter Schweizer, author of the new book

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Speaker 1: Blood Money, Why the Powerful turns at blind eye while

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Speaker 1: China kills Americans. We appreciate him making the time. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you at home for listening. I want to think John

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Speaker 1: Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,