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Speaker 1: going to take our first look at the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about which guy I would pick first,

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Speaker 1: So Hard Rock Bet, our partner who provides all of

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Speaker 1: our lines, has Darren Peterson as the current favorite to

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Speaker 1: go number one. He's minus three hundred and aj Debonsa

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Speaker 1: go number one. Now, before we go any further, as

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a case of like one

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Speaker 1: in their careers. Now, it's interesting because I came into

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Speaker 1: this process thinking that I would lean towards Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 1: The main reason why it has to do with my

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Speaker 1: general kind of ethos surrounding player archetypes. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: remember back in twenty twenty three when we were debating

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Speaker 1: because of a similar kind of archetype belief. I thought

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Speaker 1: that the lanky wing scorer archetype was an archetype I

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Speaker 1: which we've seen flame out at various points in NBA history.

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Speaker 1: So in that particular case, I leaned towards the lanky wing.

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Speaker 1: But in this particular case, Darren Peterson is this like

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Speaker 1: So I came in thinking, even though I prefer the

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Speaker 1: and I actually ended up leaning ever so slightly towards

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Speaker 1: my kind of general belief surrounding archetypes. So there are

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Speaker 1: He's not anywhere near what those guys were as power

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a really high floor. He's

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Speaker 1: I just don't see quite as high of a floor

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Speaker 1: I did not factor in this Darren Peterson weirdness from

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Speaker 1: but not much at all. In this particular situation. There's

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Speaker 1: weirdness for sure. Now one bit of context. Darren's in

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Speaker 1: his character to pass on the guy. It's very possible

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Speaker 1: This could all change by the time we get to June.

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Speaker 1: that was wild, Or he'll make a really impressive lob

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Speaker 1: and most of his turnovers are not like bad reads

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Speaker 1: or or I mean bad passing reads or or any

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Speaker 1: sort of like lack of passing skill. They tend to

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Speaker 1: be like over penetration turnovers, like him forcing the issue,

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Speaker 1: like he'll pick up charges, he'll dribble into double teams

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Speaker 1: and lose the basketball, Like he'll drive and a guy

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Speaker 1: will come over and openly double team and instead of

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Speaker 1: just like seeing it happen and making the swing pass,

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Speaker 1: he'll just dribble into the double team and then fumble

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Speaker 1: the ball away. So like he has more turnovers than assists.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's necessarily a skill issue. I

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Speaker 1: think it's mostly him just forcing the issue that tells

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Speaker 1: me it's an approach thing, like a less of court

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Speaker 1: vision passing feel more. Just like he needs to learn

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Speaker 1: I think he will. I think that again, like him

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Speaker 1: even just getting more reps will help him a lot

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Speaker 1: in that specific situation. Defensively, I think he actually projects

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Speaker 1: aj Debonsa. He's just great physical traits and he's got

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Speaker 1: a natural knack for positioning and like defensive aggression, so

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Speaker 1: he gets a lot of like deflections and steals and

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Speaker 1: things along those lines. He's been over two stocks per

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Speaker 1: thirty six minutes, which is always a really strong indicator,

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Speaker 1: and he's actually been better in that area than aj

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Speaker 1: Debonsa this season. So again, those are like just my

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Speaker 1: kind of initial scouts on those two guys. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try to watch him a lot more over the

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Speaker 1: tail end of the season. We will certainly have this

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Speaker 1: debate again when we get to June. And I can't

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Speaker 1: changing my mind and saying that I'll pick Darren Peterson

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Speaker 1: number one. But if I had to make a pick

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Speaker 1: right now, it's that basket attacking the overall kind of

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Speaker 1: like higher ceiling that I see with Debonsa that has

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Speaker 1: me looking at him as number one. Lastly year, this

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Speaker 1: was Jackson's idea, and I thought it was kind of

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Speaker 1: an interesting idea. If Cooper Flag was available in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft, where would he land? Now this gets complicated

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Speaker 1: because we have more information. We have seen Cooper Flag

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Speaker 1: become already a successful NBA player. I mean we talked

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Speaker 1: he's averaging over thirty points per game on like really

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Speaker 1: high efficiency, like Cooper's hoop and his ass off. So

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Speaker 1: like there's like the if you're looking at Cooper flag

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Speaker 1: as a prospect as we saw him going into the draft,

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Speaker 1: I think still he's on the same tier. Like I

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Speaker 1: think that it'd be Cooper, Darren, and AJ would be

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Speaker 1: your three guys you'd be considering. Like I think he'd

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Speaker 1: clearly be over Cam Boozer, for example, But I think

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Speaker 1: based on what we knew last year, I think he's

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Speaker 1: probably third. But basing it off of what we know

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Speaker 1: now and how it already translates, I think i'd put

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Speaker 1: him second. I think i'd go AJ Debonsa, then Cooper,

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Speaker 1: then Darren Peterson. But again, all in the same tier.

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Speaker 1: These are extremely uh the these are all extremely high

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Speaker 1: level prospects. I don't think there's any sort of gap

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Speaker 1: in any direction between any of these three guys. Like

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Speaker 1: even me, picking AJ over Darren was a super tough

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Speaker 1: decision for me because I just think they're both awesome. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Cooper's very much in that tier,

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Speaker 1: not separated from that tier in either direction based on

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Speaker 1: what we saw of the draft, maybe third, based on

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Speaker 1: what we know now, probably second. All right, guys, it's

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Speaker 1: all I have for today is always a sincerely appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with our weekly mail bag. I will

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Speaker 1: see you guys then