WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Colt McCoy 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.240 It's another addition to the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm your 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.760 host Dave Pash, ESPN announcer and Arizona Cardinals play by 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.600 play voice. Today, our guest is Colt McCoy, Cardinals quarterback 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.360 who started the last three games, providing wins over the 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.439 forty nine Ers and Seahawks. Great dialogue with Cold talking 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.680 a number of subjects, including what it was like to 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.280 be back out on the field, how that continues to 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.680 drive him and rejuvenate his love of the game, getting 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.480 to play three games all of a sudden, you just 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.479 feel like, man, I really enjoyed that. You know, it's 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.280 been a while. His relationship with Kyler Murray and his 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.559 role as mentor to Kyler and to others in the 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.720 locker room, what it's like being the elder statesman, and 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.280 what a veteran of our military told him that gave 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.600 him and all of us listening at the time chills. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.360 Colt talks about his family, being a father of four. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.680 Mac Brown is head coach at the University of Texas, 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.920 and whether coaching is something that Colt would like to 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:03.080 do down the road. We are presented by BETMGM, the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.200 official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals and by 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.119 Hila River Hotels and Casinos. Sign up for BETMGM today 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.400 using code cards one thousand and get your first bet 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.679 risk free up to one thousand dollars. New customer offer 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.800 paid in free bets. Visit betmgm dot com for terms 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.240 and conditions. Twenty one and over Arizona only. Please gamble responsibly. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.720 Gambling problem call one eight hundred. Next step Now our 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:35.520 conversation with Cardinals quarterback Colt McCoy. Colt, First of all, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.920 the Cardinals wouldn't be nine and two without you, And 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.679 I know that you're not gonna sit here and take 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.839 credit on that. I'm not asking you too. I text 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.360 a Cliff after the game and said, hey man, I'm 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.560 happy for you, and he said, I'm happy for Colt. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.280 What's the last three weeks Ben like for you? Two wins, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.520 one loss, you get injured in the loss, But to 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.000 come out of this two and one with roadwins at 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.720 San Francisco and at Seattle and Division games, I assume 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.800 over all year. Please, but what what's this been like 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.520 the last three exist journey for you? Yeah, it's been 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.960 It's been fun. It's been several years since I was 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.720 able to play three games in a row in the league. UM. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.000 So you know, you always say like while I'm I'm prepared, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.359 I'm I stay on my routine. I do the same 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.760 thing every week, you know, And for the most part, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.560 that's right. You know, you just now you're getting reps 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.119 in practice, now you're getting ready to playing games. Um. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.240 It was a little uncertain at times because you didn't 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.239 know if Kylie was going to come back if he wasn't. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.120 So I just tried to stay focused on my job 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.720 and executing what we've been able to do all season. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.560 And I looked at it as, look, this is this 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.919 is why Arizona brought me here. This is my role, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.080 this is my responsibility to be able to come in 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.480 here and play when called upon, and right now that 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:53.160 now's the time. So I did my best to approach 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.560 it that way and play with confidence. We got a 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.200 big win on the road in San Francisco, U we 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.000 sort of laid an egg against Carolina. I certainly didn't 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.880 play my best a lot of reasons, you know, I 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.280 just as a whole, we didn't play well, you know. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.960 So going into the Seattle game, I did think Kyler 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.160 was going to play. I didn't know for sure, but 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.760 now that that's over, I'm grateful that, you know, Kyler 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.160 gets two more weeks to get healthy, that we pulled 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.600 off a win in Seattle, that I was able to 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.280 go play and perform and help our team, you know, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.040 rebound from the loss against Carolina and put ourselves in 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.840 position to be where we want to be as we 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.079 move forward to the second half of the season, and 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.360 letting us enjoy Thanksgiving in the bye week and a 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.880 lot of positive things there. But good teams, you know, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.360 don't let one turn into two, and they just they 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.240 rebound from those and they respond. And this is a 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.080 good football team and I'm grateful to be a part 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.520 of it. So we had Kurt Warner on this podcast, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.840 and I've worked four years with Brian Greacy, in four 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.480 years with Greg McElroy in college football, and those three 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.880 guys have all been in a similar situation to you, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.640 where they've been a backup at some point and had 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.880 to be ready to step in and be a starter. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.840 And we always hear the cliche, well, you have to 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.200 prepare as if you're going to start. What's that like 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.360 when you're going through the week and you're not the 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.360 last three weeks, but on a normal week where you're 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.960 not expected to play, how do you mentally stay sharp? 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.640 And what does that look like? Take us kind of 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.040 inside the mind and kind of the daily activity of 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.320 the guy that's the number two. Yeah, well it's it's 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.080 very mental. I think throughout my years, I've put a 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.679 routine together of you know, how much tape I watch, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.120 how much I break down the opponent, how much I 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.839 study our game plan and how we want to operate 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.680 this week. Because our Cliff does a great job with 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.080 scheming and our plan and going against our opponent. There's 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.400 new stuff every week. And then the physical part of 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.920 staying in shape right, like working out, getting your wind right, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.960 knowing that you're not going to get any reps. And 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.320 then a lot of what I do is and I 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.800 listened to Kyler, I listened to Cliff, I listen to Cam, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.520 our quarterback coach. I listened to you know, we go 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.080 to practice and then we come in the meeting room 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.360 and we talk about plays and like, well, if if 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:11.920 this happens here, we want to throw the ball here. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.400 And I'm just writing it down and I'm watching how 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.880 Kyler runs these plays and how he operates and talking 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.240 to him about it, and sometimes he's asking me what 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.279 I see, how I see it, what timings of motions, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.680 landmarks of routes like little things like that, And I'm 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.479 communicating with the receivers and the tight ends and the 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.400 old line. And it's a lot, right, It's it's a 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.640 lot to force yourself to do every week knowing that, sure, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.680 you know, there's a chance I'm probably not gonna play 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.960 this right, right, but this may be for nothing, but 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.440 I have to do it and I have to set 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.080 the example for Kyler too, right exactly. But the reason 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.120 that I do it is because one, I love the 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.480 game and I love the process. But two is because 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.719 when that does happen, you want your teammates and guys. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.479 You've never been out there with them, so they don't 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.320 really know, but they've seen you every day. They see 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.240 your process, they see how you are at practice, they're 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.120 how engaged you are, like you know when they come 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.839 and ask you a question. You are an extension of collegs. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.800 I'm gonna tell exactly what Kyler wants tryer. This is 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.120 this is how he sees it, right, and so I 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.920 just that's what I try to do right, and by 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.919 no means am I perfect at that. I'm constantly learning 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.680 and evolving. But that's sort of my approach every week, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.120 so that when you know, if it's the fourth quarter 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:26.640 and something happens and you got to go in and 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.080 play like nobody, nobody blinks. They may be uncertain if 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:31.400 you're going to be able to get it done or not. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.960 But I'm going to come in and just do it 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.000 on coach to do, and I'll be prepared. I've heard 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.159 stories going back to camp, actually going back to when 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.520 you were signed, about your relationship with Kyler in terms 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.160 of him looking up to you growing up. I mean 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.960 if you were growing up in Texas when you were 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.200 in high school, and then when you were in Austin, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.440 every young kid would know who Colt McCoy was. And 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.840 I remember Michael Bidwell even saying of all the moves 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.680 we made, that's the best move bringing in McCoy, not 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.159 just because that in a pinch you could go in 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.080 and win games, but because you can mentor Kyler. How 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.440 has that relationship grown you and Kyler and how have 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.480 you seen him change since you got here? Yeah, it's 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.680 been really good. I didn't really know I had met 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.320 Kyler before, I hadn't spent a lot of time with 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.920 him before I got here. He is also as a 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.280 Texas high school football player. Everybody knows Kyler. I mean, 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.040 I don't think he lost a game in high school 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.040 in Texas, right, So everybody you know, two sport athlete, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.160 Heisman Trophy, I mean, everybody knows Kyler Murray. I'm fortunate 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.120 throughout my career to have been a starter in the 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.160 league for several years, to have been a backup, to 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.960 have guys who backed me up that really impressed me 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.120 and helped me, and some who didn't. And so I know, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.320 like how important a quarterback room is. I've been in 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.080 some good ones and some you know, someone's that needed 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.560 some help. But the first things. First, like, I wouldn't 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.120 have signed and kept playing if I didn't think I 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.520 could play. I still want to play. I still think 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 I can play. I love the role in the situation 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.440 that I'm in. But secondly, it's important to have a good, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.440 trusting quarterback room. Cam does a great job with us. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.800 I came in and started learning. The first thing I 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.120 did was just watch our games, watch Kyler how he played, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.480 like he does some things that's like, dude, I can't 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.520 do that. Like nobody I told somebody like Cliff called 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.880 a quarterback draw. You know, they hadn't played a bunch 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.960 of man, but in the second half they were switching 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.320 things up. In that last drive to go score, they 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.120 showed me different looks almost every play, right, and so 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.080 he called in a quarterback draw and I was like, huh. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.120 And so it worked, right, James made a nice block, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.880 I got through the line of scrimmage, and I was like, 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.760 the only difference between me running I got the first down. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.760 Kyler probably would have scored right there. So I mean, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.000 there's things that Kyler can do that I just can't. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.720 But I know how Cliff sees this offense and how 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.480 he wants it to work, and I rust in that, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.760 and I think the guys trusting that too, and we 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.079 were able to do that. But going back to Kyler, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.280 like our relationship has been great. Kyler is so unique 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.719 in how he sees the game like it's it's very impressive. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.680 He's very smart and he plays with feel. Throughout my 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.960 years and watching other quarterbacks and talking to guys in 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.000 the offseason, and some of the guys I've played with 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.320 are just very routine in structure, and they know the 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.440 game so well. They're great at situational football. They study it. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.960 They and Kyler is at the top of the list 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.840 on a lot of those things, Like he sees it right, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.640 he plays the feel, he knows the coverages and structures, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.280 and he knows how Cliffs wants to the offense to 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.880 be running. So a lot of the things that have 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.480 happened this year is me like me, I'm learning too. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.680 Like there's some things he does it's like impressive to me, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.240 and I want to I want to incorporate some of 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.200 that if I can. And I think there's some things 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.120 that I brought to the table, some of the things 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.920 that I have seen or or I like or if 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.680 he plays here and there that Kyler's implemented right. And 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.920 so it's been real health I know how bad Kyler 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.800 wants to be out there. For him to miss three weeks, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.840 he hasn't really missed a game in his career, Like, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.960 I know how bad it's been hurting him. And I 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:11.880 want him to be back. Everybody wants him to be back. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.040 I'm thankful that we were able to win a couple 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.000 of road games in our division. You know, we have 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.360 the best record in the league right now. We have 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.280 sort of our goals in front of us, and hopefully 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.720 Kyler comes back healthy and we can just continue to 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.760 play good football. And I think we're in a position 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.040 to do that. This is a question that maybe Kyler 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.480 can answer better. But I am curious from your standpoint 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.120 as a father of four and Kyler a young guy 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.079 coming into the NFL. You know, how have you mentored 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.360 him in that role as somebody who's you know, significantly older. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.440 I won't say how much older, but it's significantly older. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.640 And you're in a different place in your life personally 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.760 than he is. Yeah, yeah, totally different. My next step 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.400 is to have him come over and babysit, so my 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.120 wife and I go out to dinner or something that's coming. Yeah, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.679 we are in two totally different places, but it's very 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.920 health The funny conversations go on, and he never changed 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.160 the diaper in his life. He doesn't know what I'm 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.320 talking about. You know, he still goes home and plays 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.120 video games and is still young, right, but his maturity 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.120 and his wisdom in the game is very high, and 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.120 we have lots of great conversations. You know, He's captain 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.080 on the football team. I think there's ways that we've 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.480 been able to talk through things. How do you see this? 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.120 What do you think I should do here? How should 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.360 I handle this? All those things that again, I just 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.079 think it's been very healthy and productive, and after playing 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.480 in the league for so long, I'm happy about that 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.920 because I said this earlier, but I understand the importance 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.880 of having a good QB room right and the starter 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.719 knowing that like, hey, this guy's gonna see it, he's 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.160 gonna help me, he's gonna be supportive, he's gonna be 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.000 an extension of kind of like what I see and 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.760 how I talk to communicate to the coaches, to the receivers, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.600 and that it's just been It's been productive and thankful 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.200 to be in the position that we're in, and we 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.959 just gotta day the course. In the Cleveland game, no 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.520 Cliff Kingsbury and Cam Turner, So I'm guessing you were 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.040 more vocal than you normally are. Did you almost serve 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.800 as quarterback coach in that game? And is coaching something 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.080 that eventually you want to do, because I could definitely 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.320 see you doing it. I was probably more nervous than 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.439 that game than anybody to be honest, because Spencer did 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.640 a great job, you know, calling the plays. And the 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.840 good thing about that week is Cliff had the plan in. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.520 He was here all the way through Friday, so all 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.560 the all the teaching, the walkthroughs, how he wanted to operate, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.959 all that was all in right now. It's just we 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.960 just got to call the plays. And Spencer did a 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.760 great job. But we would come out and I would 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.760 have the call sheet Spencer and how we would walk through, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.160 like what do you like here? What are you seeing? 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.920 We burned through our red zone plays like in the 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.600 first quarter because we got turnovers down there, like all 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.760 of a sudden, we're like down to like our last screen. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.200 But it was it was fun, and yeah, I was 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.880 definitely what if you want to call it coaching Kyler. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.839 I was suggesting some things to Kyler. You know, there 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.199 was a couple of times in that game where you 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.840 know who you're playing against, right, you're playing against Clowning, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.000 You're playing against Miles Garrett, guys who collapse the edge. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.880 They don't want you to move laterally side to side. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.640 And early in that game, Kyler had a couple of 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:19.360 players where he escaped kind of out and it's hard 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.560 to get around those guys. I mean, they're elite. And 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.959 when when lanes were up and you know, we got 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.280 into the second half here or no, we scored on 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.440 a third and nineteen and he moved up in the 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.600 pocket threw a strike to Christian for a touchdown. It's like, dang, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:38.319 that worked. It's weird for me to come in and say, Kyle, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.920 you gotta step up. We can't. We're not going laterally right, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.880 like there's nothing out there. Move and if it's not, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.360 there's run, you know. And third and nineteen from a 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.960 throw a touchdown like that was that was great? Right 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.480 and he you know, so that's not something I wouldn't 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.720 normally say because our communication is like that. But you know, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.640 it's kind of magnified a little bit more when your 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.000 quarterback coach is not there, head coach is not there, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.800 the assistant receivers coaches calling the plays, and you're kind 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.880 of suggesting some things here and there. It's like and 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.480 when you suggest to play, you're just like, I hope 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.439 this is where I'm essentially calling this play. I hope 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.880 it works, you know, and kind of holding your breath. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.280 But it was great, Like at once that game was over. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.120 I was more tired than ever because you just mentally 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.920 and like you also had to be ready to play 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.480 right in those moments. So it was fun. You've been 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.560 around good coaches. I love Mac Brown. Got to know 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.200 Mac a little bit when he was at ESPN, and 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.280 now we were there for the Clemson game two years ago. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.240 I think it was when they almost beat Clemson and 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.680 Mac is like the best, and I you know, how 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.840 much of an impact is he had on you? And 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.680 again let me because he didn't answer. Is coaching something 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.680 that you think you want to do when you're done? Maybe? 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.800 You know. My grandfather was a women's basketball coach and 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.520 track coach for forty one years in college. My mom 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.480 actually was his point guard at one time for like 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.600 four years UM at Ablyn Christian. My dad played football 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.640 at Ablen Christian and he was also a coach. He 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.160 was my high school coach. I know coaching is sort 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.440 of in my family, um, and so I definitely am 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.600 not shutting the door to that. I think that could 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.640 be part of my future for sure. I do love 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.320 the game. I love studying it. You know, there's so 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.400 many good coaches here to Cliff Jeff Rogers so so smart, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.560 situationally situational football. You know, I learned a lot from him, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.280 ask questions, Cam Turners, seen a lot like the there's 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.120 some there's some coaches here that just really good to 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.640 bounce ideas off of. Talk to like I see it, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.720 I see it the way they see it. And then 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.120 playing from Coach Brown in college. I was there for 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.800 five years. We won a lot of games and fortunate 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.200 to be on good teams there. Coach Brown sort of 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.240 coached me just like my dad. You know, when my 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.320 dad dropped me off, he was like, he's all yours, 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.440 he's ready, you know, so talk to him like I 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.480 would talk to him. So he never held back on me, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.200 for sure. But it was great. I learned a lot 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.760 and and grew up a lot and thankful to have 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.000 played with him and the staff that was there was 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.120 pretty consistent the whole time I was there. Coach Greg Davis, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.240 so I love all those guys, um, and I know 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.680 that coaching. You know, you you have a chance to 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.240 call plays and win games and all that, but you 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.080 also have a chance to be around football and be 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.200 around guys and um just the week to week. In 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.440 the process, I mentioned how much I love that. So 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.280 you could do this for a long time. You could 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.960 keep I mean being in a situation you're in with 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.360 the Cardinals, you could do this for five more guys 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.160 playing into their forties. Now. Yeah, I think that's why 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.920 I'm not like thinking about coaching that much because I so, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.320 you know, getting to play three games all of a sudden, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.200 you just feel like, man, I like, I really enjoyed that. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.240 You know, it's been a while and you played well 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.000 and you won. Yeah, and we won. There's nothing better 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.760 than like losing sucks at any level, but in the NFL, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.840 it's just it's just magnified, right, and winning is why 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.119 we do it. It's fun. It's you know, there's a 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.320 like plane rides home from division road games after a 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.480 win or just there's nothing. You can't explain it. There's 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.959 just nothing like it. And so all those things are 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.639 great and uh, but we'll see. I'm not going to 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.000 shut the door to it. I think you know, you 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.320 mentioned I have four kids, Like football does require a 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.280 lot of time, and you know, part of my routine 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.720 is I try to do everything I can hear. I 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.480 get here early so I can go home and read 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.439 books to my kids and bathtime and bedtime. You know, 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.119 that's important to me. So just balancing all that is. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.680 You know, I'm having the time of my life right now, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.720 and that's sort of I'm kind of type A. I 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.600 just kind of focus on that and keep my son's 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.240 shades on and not look about what's gonna happen in 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.080 a couple of years. But it could happen. Why'd you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.440 pick the Cardinals? How did that come about? I heard 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:02.040 a story that Sean mcvagh recommended you to Cliff. Somebody 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.600 I guess had told you that story, and you didn't 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.320 even know that that if Sean really wanted me, he 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.160 could have got me. Sean is Sean is awesome. Sean's 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.639 one of my best friends. I was with him in 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.720 Washington for four years. Kevin O'Connell same way. I really 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.840 really love those guys are super bright football, you know. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.800 I think that that means a lot to me, that, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.960 you know, Sean would make a call for me or whatever. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.399 I didn't really know. You know, two years ago, I 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.240 was contemplating retiring. I missed a whole season because I 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.119 had a broken leg and had like three surgeries and 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.720 I just didn't feel right, you know, and then I 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.640 sort of got healthy through COVID and worked really really 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.439 hard to just try to feel right and give myself 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.240 a chance to say if I want to play or 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.480 not play anymore. And ended up going to New York 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.960 for a year and and uh played a couple of 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.240 games there, felt pretty good on my leg, like sort 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.080 of kind of got revived a little bit. And and 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.200 you know, in the offseason, had an opportunity to come here. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.080 I mean, free agency last year it was tough for 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.240 anybody unless you were in an you know, an elite, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.440 elite guy. And so I just I had several opportunities, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.560 and I actually wanted to come here. I mean, you 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:16.440 don't want to ever just show your cards. But my 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.880 wife had a baby on March thirtieth and came had 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.760 called me like probably a week before, said hey, we 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.080 want you to come in on the thirtieth. You know, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.640 I'm out of town. We've got all these COVID protocols, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.760 but we really want to host you. We want we 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.160 want to bring you in. I was like, all right, 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.719 you know, let's play it by ear my wife. You 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.679 know she's pregnant. We you know, the dude dates like 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.480 it was the due date was like April fifth or 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.000 something like that. I was like, so, if you know 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.000