WEBVTT - 7. The Trial

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<v Speaker 1>Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. In August

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twelve, five years after the deaths of his family,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vaughn's case headed to court. Vaughn's initial defense team

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<v Speaker 1>had been dismantled when its funding evaporated, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>now represented by a public defender. Here's Bill Clutter.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time the death penalty was abolished, it was

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<v Speaker 2>March of twenty eleven, so we had been investigating the

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<v Speaker 2>case and learning the case for entire four years, and

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<v Speaker 2>then once those resources went away, when it was no

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<v Speaker 2>longer a capital case, the funding reverted to.

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<v Speaker 3>The county prosecutors had originally planned to try this case

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<v Speaker 3>as a death penalty case, but in the five years

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<v Speaker 3>since the murder, the death penalty has been abolished here

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<v Speaker 3>in the state of Illinois, and the fund used to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for Christopher Vaughn's public defenders has been eliminated.

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<v Speaker 4>He now has new attorneys.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that would have a mixed impact on Vaughn.

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<v Speaker 2>The good news is they're abolishing the death penalty. The

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<v Speaker 2>bad news is they're abolishing the death penalty, which means

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get the resources to defend yourself before trial

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<v Speaker 2>and in many cases, prosecutors were making those decisions to

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<v Speaker 2>file their intent not to seek the death penalty because

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<v Speaker 2>it would.

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<v Speaker 5>Do just that.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense that Vaughn ended up going to that courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>with as compared to the level that the prosecution had

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, how would you categorize it?

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<v Speaker 2>People use the analogy of David versus Goliath, but in

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<v Speaker 2>this case it was David versus Godzilla.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren bred Pacheco, and this is murder in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 6>But you did ja you you.

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<v Speaker 7>Do?

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<v Speaker 1>To recap Christopher Vaughan was held without bond in the

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<v Speaker 1>Will County Jail in Illinois, So from the time he

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested at his family's funeral in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>seven until the time of his trial in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd spent the last five years of his life in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of the verdict, a man who hadn't yet been

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of a crime had already lost five years of

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<v Speaker 1>his life to incarceration, and Gale and Pierre Vaughan were

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<v Speaker 1>very wary about their son's downgraded defense as he headed

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<v Speaker 1>to court.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>John Rogers and Jerry Killian were both expert lawyers, and

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<v Speaker 5>they worked very hard on it for four years, and

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<v Speaker 5>they knew the thing inside and out, and they they

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<v Speaker 5>were ready to go to trial, but they kept the

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<v Speaker 5>state kept putting them off. If you're on trial for

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<v Speaker 5>murder in Illinois, like Chris was, the state pays the

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<v Speaker 5>lawyers and pays for your defense. Once they did away

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<v Speaker 5>with the death penalty, they called our two lawyers in

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<v Speaker 5>said hey, look, unless you want to finish this thing

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<v Speaker 5>pro bono, we're not going to pay you anymore.

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<v Speaker 9>And we couldn't afford I mean, our house wasn't even

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<v Speaker 9>a fit in a bucket compared to the money that

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<v Speaker 9>we would have had to provide.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, I mean, the lawyers told us that this trial

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<v Speaker 5>was probably costing the State of Illinois somewhere into the

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<v Speaker 5>centy of ten to twenty million dollars, and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 5>that's a lot for lawyers.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, the State of Illinois also drug it out

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<v Speaker 8>for four years. That's kind of their own fault.

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<v Speaker 5>So lawyers just said, hey, look, you know we can't

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<v Speaker 5>finish the thing pro bono. They offered the State of

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<v Speaker 5>Illinois like two hundred and fifty thousand If you give

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<v Speaker 5>us two hundred fifty thousand to finish the case, and

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<v Speaker 5>the state of Illinois wouldn't do it. But then they

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<v Speaker 5>hired our public defender and his two associates to get

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<v Speaker 5>up to speed on the case. So it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>you wouldn't pay our lawyers two hundred and fifty grand,

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<v Speaker 5>but you paid your three lawyers and you still had

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<v Speaker 5>to pay the prosecution lawyers to be involved with it,

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<v Speaker 5>So the money didn't add up. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 5>a matter of getting rid of our good quality lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>And Pierre had another issue with Chris's new defense.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, and this is my opinion, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>The public defender lawyers are paid by the same people

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<v Speaker 5>who pay the prosecuting lawyers and who pay the judges.

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<v Speaker 8>It all comes out of the same check book.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you're person signing your check insinuates or let

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<v Speaker 5>you know that this is the way things should go, and.

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<v Speaker 8>What are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>As mentioned before, Chris also had the misfortune of sharing

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<v Speaker 1>a courthouse with another high profile case that was happening

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, along with the press frenzy that

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied it.

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<v Speaker 10>In just the first day, attorneys agreed on twelve of

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<v Speaker 10>the eighteen jurors they'll need for the Christopher Vaughn trial.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a trial taking place by the way, in a

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<v Speaker 10>courtroom literally next door to the murder trial of Drew Peterson.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vaughn's trial unfolded in the same courthouse during the

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<v Speaker 1>same time period under the same state's attorney, James Glasgow.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's perr Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 5>Jude Peterson was a police officer that had a couple

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<v Speaker 5>wives go missing, and as it turns out, his final

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<v Speaker 5>trial came up at the same time Chris did.

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<v Speaker 8>So it was a meet a circus. There was Chamers

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<v Speaker 8>TVs set up outside, there was a drawing for seats.

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<v Speaker 5>They had to they had to take a drawing for

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<v Speaker 5>the reporters to get in and take seats in both

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<v Speaker 5>both cases. And you know, our our judge said that

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<v Speaker 5>that Drew Peterson's case would not have any reflection on

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<v Speaker 5>his judgment, but it did. He was he was interviewed

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<v Speaker 5>by the press just like everybody else, and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>going to be outdone by Drew Peterson's case, let's put

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<v Speaker 5>it that way. So, yeah, there was a big media

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<v Speaker 5>circus at the end of every day after court, good

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<v Speaker 5>old Glasgow would be out there in the Street talking

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<v Speaker 5>about how he's prosecuting these two guys and everything, And

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<v Speaker 5>he never even appeared in either courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was holding a lot of press conferences.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, yes, yes he was. He was running for election.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, the Peterson trial had garnered national attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Peterson was eventually convicted of killing his third wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen Savio, and his fourth wife, still missing to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>is suspected to have met a similar fate. The case

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat overshadowed Vaughn's.

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<v Speaker 11>This trial is expected to last about six weeks, and

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<v Speaker 11>interestingly enough, it's being heard right next to the courtroom

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<v Speaker 11>where the Drew Peterson murder trial is underway.

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<v Speaker 1>Running for reelection, Glasgow was quite vocal about his intention

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<v Speaker 1>to secure convictions for both Peterson and Vaughn, and his

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<v Speaker 1>opponent at the time accused Glasgow of manipulating the timing

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<v Speaker 1>of both trials for political purposes. Here's Gail Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 12>He was trying to be re elected and he actually

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<v Speaker 12>used Chris as one of his platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>But that wasn't a new development. Glasgow had been consistent

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<v Speaker 1>on Vaughn even before his funeral day arrest a week

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<v Speaker 1>after the murders.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, their very first news conference already decided he was guilty.

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<v Speaker 12>When it was mister Glasgow and a police commissioner and

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<v Speaker 12>they were standing up there answering questions for the reporters.

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<v Speaker 12>They said, yep, well we'll get it, We'll bring him in.

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<v Speaker 12>They didn't even give him a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Bill Clutter's take on whether those press conferences had

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<v Speaker 1>a negative impact on Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt about it. I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 2>already tried and convicted in the media, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just having to go into will County with all of

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<v Speaker 2>that intense publicity. He was already convicted in the court

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<v Speaker 2>of public opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Rounding out the hurdles was the police department's apparent tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>vision as to Chris's guilt. From the very day of

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. There never seemed to have been much doubt

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<v Speaker 1>from the state's attorney side of things that Kim was

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<v Speaker 1>innocent and Chris premeditated the entire thing, and the media

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<v Speaker 1>and press followed along.

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<v Speaker 2>It's typical in many of these cases, and time after

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<v Speaker 2>time that I've been involved. You know, it's hard enough

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<v Speaker 2>when you're innocent trying to prove your innocence. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>even more difficult when you have to overcome the pre

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<v Speaker 2>trop publicity that's already made up many of the minds

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<v Speaker 2>of jurors when they walk into that courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chris headed into court with a five year public

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<v Speaker 1>perception of guilt and very few supporters. Here's Gail.

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<v Speaker 12>There was nobody in his corner except our two lawyers

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<v Speaker 12>and Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it.

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<v Speaker 9>And we come from a small family, so we didn't

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<v Speaker 9>have a lot of people to storm the court or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>During the trial, the press made much note of Chris's demeanor.

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<v Speaker 1>His flat affect in particular, was pointed out by many

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<v Speaker 1>to be indicative of his guilt or lack of remorse.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are a number of things that likely played

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<v Speaker 1>into this perception. One was that Chris Vaughn had been

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<v Speaker 1>in jail for five years before the trial began, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was much more to that than the public was aware.

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<v Speaker 1>After he was convicted, his parents would gain disturbing insight

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<v Speaker 1>into what Chris was going through in the time leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to and during his trial.

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<v Speaker 13>Let me run this past you. How about this situation

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<v Speaker 13>when you're brought over from the jail house to the

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<v Speaker 13>courthouse you're brought over in your jail clothes, but before

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<v Speaker 13>you leave the jail you are strip search naked, which

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<v Speaker 13>goes back on. Get on the bus, go over to

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<v Speaker 13>the courthouse. There you're given the clothes that we brought

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<v Speaker 13>him to. Go into court. There again your strip search,

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<v Speaker 13>cavity search, your closer search, and then you're allowed to addressed.

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<v Speaker 13>In the meantime, you're being physically and verbally abused by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Guards during the entire trial.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, yes, and every hearing.

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<v Speaker 13>He didn't give me your.

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<v Speaker 14>Response, I'm speechless.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, we were too.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you find out that that was happening?

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<v Speaker 13>He was told and threatened on what to do. We

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<v Speaker 13>didn't find this out until he was in Thenard for

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<v Speaker 13>a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Manard is Illinois's largest maximum security adult male facility. It's

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<v Speaker 1>considered the toughest prison in Illinois and where Chris would

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<v Speaker 1>be sent after his conviction.

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<v Speaker 16>We finally got him opened up a little bit because

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<v Speaker 16>at you didn't have to go through a phone system,

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<v Speaker 16>and even though they had cameras on you, we were

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<v Speaker 16>able to talk to him a little more personable than

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<v Speaker 16>when we had been in Joliette.

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<v Speaker 13>On the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>When I pressed Chris confirmed his treatment at Joliette and

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<v Speaker 1>commented it actually prepared him for the reality of man

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<v Speaker 1>At Joliette, it would seem many of the people responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for overseeing Chris's well being and captivity did everything they

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<v Speaker 1>could to make life as unpleasant as possible, particularly during

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<v Speaker 1>his trial your scale and.

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<v Speaker 16>While he was in captivity in joliet they had the

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<v Speaker 16>night night squad that would come in and intimidate and

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<v Speaker 16>shake them down and strip them and make them stand

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<v Speaker 16>outside their cells or in their cells.

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<v Speaker 13>And toss theirselves looking for contrabands.

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<v Speaker 16>While you had nothing on with another group of guys.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, Chris was just pummeled from all directions. Psychologically,

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<v Speaker 16>he was still trying to understand that his family was

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<v Speaker 16>no longer there. He's being really viciously talk to, and

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<v Speaker 16>you know, Chris is very sensitive mentally.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Pierre and Gale, that treatment intensified during the

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<v Speaker 1>trial and.

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<v Speaker 16>When he was waiting. If there was a break during

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<v Speaker 16>court and christ was taken out or he arrived at

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<v Speaker 16>the courthouse early, they were putting in a cell that

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<v Speaker 16>was unclean.

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<v Speaker 13>It reached.

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<v Speaker 16>And was nothing there, just a chair in the middle

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<v Speaker 16>of a small cell room. Period I mean this kind

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<v Speaker 16>of had something that duty or psyche just the way

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<v Speaker 16>they mean him a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the trial began, the prosecution presented the jury with

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<v Speaker 1>their version of how the incident occurred. In their series

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<v Speaker 1>of events, Christopher Vaughan fatally shot everyone in his family

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<v Speaker 1>on a secluded stretch of the Interstate fifty five frontage road.

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<v Speaker 1>They alleged Vaughan pulled the family's forward expedition over, got

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<v Speaker 1>out under the guise of checking a cargo compartment on

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<v Speaker 1>the roof of the suv, then rabbed his wife through

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<v Speaker 1>the open passenger window, stuck a pistol wrapped in his

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<v Speaker 1>fleece to disguise it under her chin, and shot her

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<v Speaker 1>before turning his attention to his three children.

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<v Speaker 10>Prosecutors alleged Christopher Vaughan pulled their suv onto a frontage

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<v Speaker 10>road near Shanahan during a family trip, killing them in

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<v Speaker 10>shooting himself in the leg, but Vaughn says that his

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<v Speaker 10>wife was the one who pulled the gun. She shot

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<v Speaker 10>him in the leg, he told investigators before he ran off.

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<v Speaker 10>Then he claims she killed their kids and herself.

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<v Speaker 7>Jurors paid close attention as Fitzgerald highlighted again how blood

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<v Speaker 7>evidence at the scene of the family's suv did not

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<v Speaker 7>support Vaughn's version of events on that morning. In June

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<v Speaker 7>of two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Recall that Vaughn told investigators repeatedly during his initial questioning

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<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't remember exactly what happened. Those gaps were

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<v Speaker 1>used against him. Highly problematic for Vaughn was the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that in the initial interrogation he gave the impression that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd left the car before Kimberly shot herself, but her

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<v Speaker 1>blood was found on the back right of the fleece

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been wearing, and there were other damning things too.

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<v Speaker 3>Prosecutor's claim it was Vaughan who pulled the trigger and

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<v Speaker 3>staged his own injuries. They say he was hoping to

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<v Speaker 3>cash in on a one million dollar life insurance policy

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<v Speaker 3>he had on his wife. They also planned to present

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<v Speaker 3>evidence that Christopher Vaughan had gone to a gun range

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<v Speaker 3>the night before the murders and used the same handgun

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<v Speaker 3>for target practice that was used in the killings.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution also uncovered more things about Chris that would

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<v Speaker 1>prove incredibly damaging to his defense. In October and November

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and six, the year prior to the murders,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris began online correspondence with a man named Steve Willett

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<v Speaker 1>on a website discussing outdoorsmanship and wilderness survival techniques. They

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<v Speaker 1>had nicknames for each other. It was Flee and Vaughn

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<v Speaker 1>was Flint. Chris never mentioned his kids on that site

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<v Speaker 1>or during the discussions between the two. What he does discuss, however,

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<v Speaker 1>are survival techniques and the prospect of moving to Canada

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<v Speaker 1>permanently in the future.

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<v Speaker 11>Prosecutors say Christopher Vaughan killed his family all because he

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<v Speaker 11>wanted to start a new life in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the police, Vaughan had been stockpiling wilderness gear.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers uncovered a storage unit that Vaughn had rented that

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<v Speaker 1>was full of camping equipment, sleeping bags, boots, and camp tools,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to a jar of peanut butter and a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of Jameson whiskey. The prosecution was putting together a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a man who had kept tons of secrets

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<v Speaker 1>and was potentially planning to fake his own death and

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<v Speaker 1>run away from his family. We will come back to

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<v Speaker 1>all of this later, but according to Erica Wurst, who

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<v Speaker 1>covered the trial as a local reporter. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>flattering picture, especially in contrast to the pictures of his

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<v Speaker 1>deceased wife and kids.

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, not only were the children adorable, Kim had,

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<v Speaker 17>you know, a lot of friends, was going to school,

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<v Speaker 17>worked in the poolhouse.

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<v Speaker 16>Chris, as quiet as he was, still was.

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<v Speaker 15>Providing for his family. I mean, everyone.

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<v Speaker 17>Seemed to say he was a nice guy, just very demure.

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<v Speaker 17>Then you find out, like all the lies in this

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<v Speaker 17>like alter life that Chris had been having underneath.

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<v Speaker 15>Everyone's nose, finding that out, seeing all.

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<v Speaker 17>The camping equipment, talking to his online buddy, and planning everything.

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<v Speaker 17>When that came out, boom, that was like another shock,

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<v Speaker 17>a huge shock.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecute intended to make mention of Chris's religious beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>which he admitted lean towards Druidism, a modern spiritual movement

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<v Speaker 1>based on Celtic rooted mysticism that celebrates nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Attorneys fort Christopher Vaughan are asking me a judge, to

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<v Speaker 3>bar any mention of his religious beliefs in his upcoming

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<v Speaker 3>murder trial. They feel drawers will speculate on whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>a religion or a cult. Prosecutor said they won't discuss

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<v Speaker 3>Vaughn's religious beliefs, but may present drawers with postings Vaughan

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<v Speaker 3>made online on a mailing list.

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<v Speaker 1>Police had confiscated books on Druidism from von to home.

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<v Speaker 11>He later told police during a videotaped interview that his

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<v Speaker 11>wife was upset with him over his religious beliefs, Druidism,

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<v Speaker 11>and his recent admission of an afair he had during

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<v Speaker 11>a business trip to Mexico a year earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Erica Wurst for me.

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<v Speaker 15>One of the big eye opening things was when they

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<v Speaker 15>brought up the gentlemen from Canada I believe, who Chris

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<v Speaker 15>had been corresponding with about their great walk into the wild.

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<v Speaker 15>There's a whole mission here, there's a whole goal here,

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<v Speaker 15>and not one of those planned missions or goals entail

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<v Speaker 15>your family or your child. He was lying to people

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<v Speaker 15>about being married, he was lying to people about having child.

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<v Speaker 15>That was a big one hearing this guy talk about

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<v Speaker 15>how he had no idea.

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<v Speaker 17>That Chris had a family and he thought that they

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<v Speaker 17>were going to go do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Willett testified at the trial, and the defense walked

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<v Speaker 1>through all the various messages between him and Vaughn. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Bill again, I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Read the emails years ago between him and Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the guy Chris found on a wilderness

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<v Speaker 1>website and he was kind of like an email pen pal,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, the thing about this is they used

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<v Speaker 2>his testimony to try to establish the narrative that Chris

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get rid of his family by killing them

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<v Speaker 2>so he can go hiking off into the wilderness with

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<v Speaker 2>his friend that he met online. His testimony was presented

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<v Speaker 2>and they walked him through the various email communications. Was

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<v Speaker 2>used to paint Chris in this awfully bad light, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just the grind of He got a guy that looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's living the American dream. He's got this big

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<v Speaker 2>house in Oswego, Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got a job and it's a successful career. He's making

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand a year. But yet he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>escape into the wilderness and get off the grid and

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<v Speaker 2>leave civilization and the grind of it all. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that it wasn't Chris's intent to kill his family

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<v Speaker 2>to accomplish that. He could have gone off into the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and disappeared and never returned without having to kill

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<v Speaker 2>his family.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there were the strippers. Chris had spent almost

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand dollars and the weeks prior to the murder

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<v Speaker 1>in strip clubs.

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<v Speaker 11>As many as four exotic dancers are expected to testify

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<v Speaker 11>that Vaughn frequented strip clubs in Chicago and the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 11>Months before the murders. He told one of the strippers

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<v Speaker 11>he was single, and even made bizarre statements about ancient souls.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Vaughn wasn't exactly coming across as a sympathetic defendant.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's journalist Jojosey, editor of the Herald News.

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<v Speaker 18>I don't think anybody really bought into his version of events.

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<v Speaker 18>And then anything started to come out, with his online

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<v Speaker 18>relationship with the guy in the Yukon and faking his

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<v Speaker 18>dad so he get away from his family and they

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<v Speaker 18>will get the life insurance or whatever it was, the

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<v Speaker 18>strip clubs and dropping several thousand dollars in a couple

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<v Speaker 18>weeks on one of the women.

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<v Speaker 11>Prosecutors will also show the jury a cryptic poem allegedly

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<v Speaker 11>found in Vaughn's jail cell that made references to a

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<v Speaker 11>dancer named Maya that Vaughn had met at the Chicago

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<v Speaker 11>strip Club.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm not mistaken the poems. What were they written in

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<v Speaker 18>Celtic or something. I mean, that's a unique detail and

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<v Speaker 18>it's strange. But when you're in jail for murdering your

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<v Speaker 18>family and you're writing poems about a stripper and running,

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<v Speaker 18>that's probably not a great optic. So, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 18>stuff that was coming out, it didn't look good.

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<v Speaker 14>Here again is Erica worst When the poem that was

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<v Speaker 14>written to Maya was read out loud, that was a

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<v Speaker 14>little disturbing because it showed.

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<v Speaker 15>This illusionment of love and less knowing that like his

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<v Speaker 15>wife's anniversary was like Inja and that was just kind

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<v Speaker 15>of that betrayal there that she wasn't even aware of

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<v Speaker 15>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 17>So that kind of stufted thousands of dollars he spent

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<v Speaker 17>on these girls. Granted he didn't get dances from them

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<v Speaker 17>or have sex with them, but I think just going

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<v Speaker 17>there and I don't know, sort of like a retrieve

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<v Speaker 17>for him, get away from his house's going on, all

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<v Speaker 17>the scouting trips that he lied about. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 17>tell me what of that is an evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, one might ask why Chris would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone through all of this trouble when if his marriage

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<v Speaker 1>was supposedly so bad, he could have just gotten divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>During Chris's interrogation, the police asked the same question, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Chris gave the response that would do him zero

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<v Speaker 1>favors in the courtroom. Divorce is not an option. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back to that. And then there was the murder itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution established what they believed to be Chris's motive

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<v Speaker 1>based on his emails with Willett and his behavior and

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<v Speaker 1>infatuation with the strippers he was visiting, while at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time Painting came out to be the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mother who could not have possibly committed the crime. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there was the prosecution's presentation of the crime scene

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<v Speaker 1>and its emotional impact on the trial. Here's Gail.

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<v Speaker 16>They had a large projected screen.

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<v Speaker 9>It had to been by foot by.

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<v Speaker 16>Seven foot.

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<v Speaker 19>I mean it was a huge showing screen, and they

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<v Speaker 19>had pictures bigger than life.

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<v Speaker 7>On this end.

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<v Speaker 8>They were awful.

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<v Speaker 1>During the display of these photos, the jury focused on Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>his demeanor, the look on his face.

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<v Speaker 5>When the prosecutors put up a seventy two inch big

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<v Speaker 5>screen and showed all the pictures of the truck, the

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<v Speaker 5>crime scene, the bodies, every little thing that was involved

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<v Speaker 5>in it.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, they called it evidence.

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<v Speaker 5>They showed them all the parts of the crime scene,

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<v Speaker 5>but they didn't put it all together to make it

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<v Speaker 5>a crime. And you know, they had this big elaborate thing.

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<v Speaker 5>They had three or four lawyers on their side. And

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<v Speaker 5>when our guy got up there to the public defender

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<v Speaker 5>got up there, he brought up a laptop and set

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<v Speaker 5>a laptop and a table, you know, with a little

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<v Speaker 5>to each screen in front of a jury of eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>people and expected them to be able to see what

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<v Speaker 5>he was talking about.

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<v Speaker 9>The prosecutors put up a big shock and awe performance.

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<v Speaker 20>They showed pictures of the children lying dead in the seats,

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<v Speaker 20>They showed pictures of Kimberly. They just showed pictures to

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<v Speaker 20>make you feel really shocked.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, it was, it was terrible.

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<v Speaker 9>And the whole time the screen was just for the jurors,

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<v Speaker 9>so the people on.

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<v Speaker 14>The defense did not see what they were seeing, but

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<v Speaker 14>the jury could also see Cress.

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<v Speaker 16>The jury was scaring at Chris the whole time, and

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<v Speaker 16>our our defensive attorney, mister Lenard, had talked to Chris

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<v Speaker 16>about this before, and Chris had told him, please, I

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<v Speaker 16>don't want to see those pictures. So when they thought

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<v Speaker 16>Chris was looking at it on a on these little

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<v Speaker 16>laptop screen, there was nothing there. We were not seeing

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<v Speaker 16>the pictures that the jury was, and they based a

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<v Speaker 16>lot of Chris's emotion on, Wow, he's looking at those

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 16>and he's looking at a fingernail, or he's staring at

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<v Speaker 16>the ceiling, or he's looking down at a pencil. And

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<v Speaker 16>mister Leonard had told Chris not to make comments about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So while the jury believed Chris's lack of reaction was

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<v Speaker 1>to the pictures of his dead children, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact seeing nothing and he was doing exactly as he

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<v Speaker 1>was instructed by his lawyer. But what the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the court was seeing was horrifying. Here's Erica worst.

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<v Speaker 14>They were horrible.

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<v Speaker 21>They were horrible.

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<v Speaker 22>You have little babies with you know, bullet wounds that

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<v Speaker 22>were zooming up on and seeing and Kim with her

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<v Speaker 22>hand like slouched like owned by the Center Council kind of.

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<v Speaker 21>And she's got her wedding ring on.

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<v Speaker 22>That's one that's like seered into my head just because

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 22>you know, it's so sad there's a wedding ring, there's blood.

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<v Speaker 22>It's just something hard to look at, you know, even

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 22>to see the kids clothing and Kim's clothing. Every part

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 22>of it just shouldn't have happened. Then when you see

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 22>that it actually did and it's real, you know, it

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 22>takes it to another level. Blake, Casandra and Abigail, we've

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 22>seen them alive and smiling in pictures. Oh, I seriously

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 22>want to pray right now. You see them the way

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 22>they ended up, and someone did that to them, and

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<v Speaker 22>if you're a human being, you can't wrap your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>So Blake was behind Kimberley, Cassandra was in the center,

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and Abigail was behind the driver's seat.

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 7>Uh huh.

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>And was was Abigail holding a Harry Potter book?

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 21>You know, there was repower book.

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 15>They had a little.

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 22>Mickey mouse tissue thing. Pretty sure there was like a

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 22>Charlotte's web in there somewhere. They had blankets. They got

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 22>up at four in the morning, you know how they

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 22>were just probably groggy and still asleep. And you know,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 22>you find Blake with his hands up and a defensive motion.

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 21>That's another thing, is that just makes me lose my breath.

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 21>Is like he's looking at either one of.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 22>His parents holding.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 21>A gun to him.

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 22>And then the other two girls are watching what happened

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 22>to the next one. And I always think about that

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 22>they're stuck in that back car and they're watching their

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 22>siblings get killed one after another, knowing their next and.

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 21>The fear and the terror.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Remember the emotion, and even the recollection of those photos

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>will come back to it later.

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 15>And then to see Kim in the front seat, in

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 15>her seatbelt of courses of and you see where the

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 15>gun is, but she's leading. That's hard to see. And

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 15>then you see Chris with a womb to.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 16>His sky and they risked.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 15>So yeah, there's no comparison. There's no comparison. Don't five people,

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 15>one in the car, one left.

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>The prosecution also pointed out that Chris's behavior after the

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>shootings did not line up with someone whose family had

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>just been killed. The medics who attended to Christopher, Bond

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and the ambulance were called to testify. They said Christopher

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>never made inquiries about Kim or Abigail, or Cassandra or Blake,

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>but one medic recalled Chris Vaughn expressed concern about his

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>cowboy boots.

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 23>Now, while in the emergency room after the shootings, he

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 23>reportedly was upset about blood on his cowboy boots. Taken

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 23>all together, certainly this is evidence that seems difficult to overcome.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Chris had sustained non life threatening gunshot wounds, which the

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>prosecution contended could easily have been self inflicted. To help

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>his case, here's Erica worst again.

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 15>In the ambulance. He is yelling at them about cutting

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 15>off his boots and not ruining his jacket because he

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 15>got it in the Yukon and.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 16>It's just so narcissistic.

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 15>I was like, Holy, how is that your main concern

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 15>right now?

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 14>Is that your main concern?

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 15>And they're like, maybe he doesn't know his family and

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 15>kids are killed down the road, Like I wouldn't have

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 15>blessed my family and kids killed down the road. I

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 15>don't know, that's the thing. It could have dreams about

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 15>it every day.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>The defense did not have experts who could counter that

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>perception in terms of Chris's psychological or dissociative state.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 5>Here's Pierre Well, at that time, Chris didn't know his

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 5>family was dead. All Chris knew was that his wife

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 5>shot him.

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 8>And his blood was on his boots.

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 5>And when he got into the ambulance, rather than pull

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 5>his boot off, they were going to cut the boot off,

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 5>and at all he did was ask them not to

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 5>cut the boot off, just take the boot off. And

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 5>somehow this guy all construed around that he didn't care

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 5>for his family.

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>The defense made the case Kim had been experiencing erratic

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>behavior leading up to the incident, and again tried to

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>argue the culprit for her rapid swing in behavior could

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>have been one of the medications she was prescribed for

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>her migraines, Topomax, which was flagged by the FDA after

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the killings. Here's Gail.

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 19>Nearly two years passed before the FDA issued new warning

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 19>labels and medication guides for Topamax. The warning labels inserted

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 19>into the medications advised patients to immediately call their health

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 19>provider if they were experiencing new or worse anxiety, feeling

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 19>agitated or restless, having panic attacks, new or worse irritability,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 19>and unusual changes in moods or behavior. This was documented

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 19>from one of her doctors after one of her visits.

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 19>She had called Chris because she was experiencing a behavioral problem.

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 19>She was experiencing mood swings. She did have panic attacks,

0:32:55.120 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 19>but because the drugs weren't studied enough at that point

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 19>in time, they didn't know these were danger signs.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Was that discussed in the case in court.

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 9>Not really, It was kind of skirted around.

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 19>We had a specialist, doctor Healey, who was supposed to

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 19>talk about this, but the judge disallowed him because he

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 19>said doctor Healey would only be giving his opinion, not facts.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 19>This entire investigation was a tunnel vision and it infected

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 19>the entire group, and they only saw Chris as the villain.

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 19>They didn't seek Kim as a person that was asking

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 19>for help.

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>The testimony of other possible expert witnesses for the defense,

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>like doctor Terry Kellyan, who diagnosed Vaughan with dissociative amnesia,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>was also dismissed as opinion. And then there were other

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>issues that play. Chris's sister in law, Rachel, was called

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to testify about a phone call she'd received from Kimberly

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Vaughn shortly before the killings. Here's her take on the

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>team defending Chris.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 4>All I can say is I know they were not

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 4>very organized with me. I remember the lawyer called me

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 4>once before the trial started, and he said that will

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 4>probably call you to talk about your phone call. The

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 4>trial's coming, but I don't know if I'm going to

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 4>be called or when. So I finally called him and

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 4>I said, am I supposed to be coming? Because I

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 4>have to make plans. I have three children at that

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 4>point and no family in town, so I need to

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 4>know what's going on. And he finally said, well, we're

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 4>pretty sure we'll on this day. So I had like

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 4>a couple of days to get to Juliet, and I

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 4>had I mean, I knew they wanted to talk to

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 4>me about the phone call. I didn't know what that meant,

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 4>never having stepped foot into a real courtroom before.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 1>In cases of this level, witnesses are usually walked through

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>their testimony and prepared for possible cross examination. Rachel took

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the stand without the time to even revisit a statement

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>she'd given five years before, one in which Kim confided

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>about two emotional outbursts she'd had in recent months, one

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>with Chris's parents, the other involving an issue with one

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>of the children's schools.

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 4>I remember talking to Bill Clutter and him saying, I'm

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 4>going to write down what you are saying, and I said, okay. Well,

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 4>five years later, I'm sitting outside a courtroom and they

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 4>hand me a piece of paper and say, this was

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 4>your statement. At that moment, I didn't remember giving a statement.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 4>I had never seen it. I had no idea, and

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 4>so I cannot remember if the incident at school, because

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 4>she just said something happened. I was with either a

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 4>teacher or a principle or something. It was my impression

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 4>she overreacted, so I don't know if that was in

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 4>the statement.

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Apparently the defense had wanted Rachel to also testify about

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a comment Kim made on that call about her doctor,

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>but in the end it wasn't allowed.

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 4>I only know this because I could hear them talking

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 4>to the judge. But they were trying to get me

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 4>to be able to say what Kim said about her

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 4>doctor and what her dad thought about her doctor and

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff. But then they were, you know, hearsay,

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 4>and it was too many layers in the chain there,

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 4>and so they didn't allow them to ask that question.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 4>I told my husband that when I was done testifying

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and I walked out of the room, my very first

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 4>thought was he's going to be convicted. It was in

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 4>the air. You knew it when you were in there.

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 4>I knew it when I was there.

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>The prosecution made their closing arguments and the jury came

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 1>back with the decision in fifty minutes. Here's Pierre.

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 5>But they came into the court room at nine o'clock

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 5>and for some reason, the prosecution was running along and

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 5>they asked the jurors if they wanted to take a

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 5>break for lunch, and they said no, they wanted to

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 5>get the thing done and over with because it was

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 5>a Friday, six weeks everybody was tired of it. And

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 5>then we listened to the prosecution's closing statement that lasted

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.959
<v Speaker 5>three hours and went through all the evidence, but never

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 5>never tied the evidence to the actual crime. He just,

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, just a lot of accusations in any windows.

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Here's Erica Wurst's take.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 22>I was surprised at how fast it came in. That's

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 22>going to be one of the fastest I've been in.

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 22>I don't even think they got to lunch time yet

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 22>before it was thrown back, you know. And if it

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 22>did take any longer than that, it was because they

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.280
<v Speaker 22>were sitting in their back having loans.

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 21>But you know, it was a swift verdict, and that

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 21>was the shocking part to me. But it just meant

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 21>that they had their minds made up and that there

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 21>wasn't a whole lot of tits for ted or questions

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 21>coming back or anything. So they seemed pretty confident in

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 21>their verdict.

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 1>The reaction in the courtroom was about what one would expect.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Here's Jojosey.

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 18>Was anybody surprised with the verdict?

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 5>I don't.

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 18>I don't think anyone was surprised at all by the verdict.

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>And the emotion Erica worst remembers came from the Phillips side.

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 21>It was crying on Kim's side.

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 22>Chris got up and I just, you know, read my

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 22>notes the other day and it was like he got

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 22>up and he didn't even look back at his.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 21>Family while he was being taken away. And I just

0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 21>remember thinking that was that because he felt bad and

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 21>he didn't want to look.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 9>At your mom?

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 21>Is that because it was too hard to look at

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 21>your mom? Is that why didn't he look back? So

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:17.840
<v Speaker 21>that that was weird. It's always a Chris cross of

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 21>jubilation and utter heart breaks. But Kim did have a

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 21>lot more people on that wanted justice served.

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vaughan was found guilty on four counts of first

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>degree murder of his wife and three children, and sentenced

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to four life sentences. A decision Erica Worst, who covered

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the entire trial, agreed with when we first started speaking

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>about the case.

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 16>I believe with.

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 15>Ninety eight point nine percent, Shorty.

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:57.240
<v Speaker 17>That Crusher Vaughn chilled his wife the early and freak.

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 15>I don't know so that you can show me anything

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 15>outside of a confession that would prove otherwise. I mean,

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 15>lots of convicts maintain or innocence. It's not unheard of.

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 15>I'm not surprised that he's maintaining his innocince. I don't

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 15>think I'll ever admit to killing his children in his life.

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 15>It was Kim then guess why she can't tell us now?

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 15>So yeah, I think he did it, And I think

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 15>that I'm educated enough on the topic and steps through

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 15>and looks every bit of a piece of evidence to

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 15>form an educated conclusion.

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 13>Are there a couple of.

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 15>Things maybe you guys can find out or stick in

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 15>or poking? Sure, no trial is invalluable.

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Here is the Will County State's attorney James Glasgow, at

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a press conference after the verdict.

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 24>What this guy did here was a diabolical atrocity, and

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 24>he's a heartless, soulless psychopath. That's the bottom line. That's

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 24>what he is, without any compassion, without any empathy for

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 24>other human beings. There isn't a punishment that fits this crime.

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 24>You could lock them up for five hundred lifetimes and

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 24>it would not compensate the victims in this case or

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 24>the family members.

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Fourteen years after the tragedy and nearly a decade after

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that statement, Bill Clutter remains deeply frustrated by the verdict.

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 2>We had experts that were prepared. We had the world's

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>leading expert on medications causing homicidal and smicidal behavior, and

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that expert never testified. The jury never heard from that expert.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 2>We had two experts working on that issue. We had

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>an expert in psychology working on dissociative amnesia to explain

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 2>that to the jury. That wasn't done.

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Clutter believes it could have made a difference.

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>The defense presented its theory of defense that this was

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a murder suicide. Obviously it was ineffective, but how so

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.360
<v Speaker 2>what else could have maybe turned their decision? Maybe hearing

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<v Speaker 2>from key experts had never heard from.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's attorney Keith Altman, who would have been one of

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<v Speaker 1>those experts.

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<v Speaker 10>That the available evidence was not presented to a jury

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<v Speaker 10>and for them to have made a decision based.

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<v Speaker 16>Upon the evidence, that's what superior.

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<v Speaker 24>If the evidence was given to a jury properly and

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<v Speaker 24>they decided to convict him anyway, then at least he

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<v Speaker 24>had his day in court.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not what happened, and that's just it. There

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<v Speaker 1>was evidence given by the prosecution with regards to the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene that simply didn't and still does not align

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<v Speaker 1>with expert opinion, and based on new revelations, not all

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstantial evidence holds up to scrutiny. If all the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence were presented fully, what would it have shown?

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<v Speaker 25>Money of black Oh, the same shape and side.

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<v Speaker 26>The nice indeed them.

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<v Speaker 21>The sense of vision.

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<v Speaker 6>He going Garrio, She.

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<v Speaker 26>Just changed Nzo roads.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Murder in Illinois, will carefully

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<v Speaker 1>re examine the issues that remain regarding the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 16>She would have protected her kids like she was a

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<v Speaker 16>mama bear.

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<v Speaker 1>And explain inconsistencies and key elements of the prosecution's version

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<v Speaker 1>of events.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see any good psychiatric analyzes in.

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<v Speaker 1>These and scrutinize the way evidence was handled and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's completely contrary to the initial belief of the state's attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>To see if combined these things could have raised reasonable doubt.

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