1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. In August 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, five years after the deaths of his family, 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Christopher Vaughn's case headed to court. Vaughn's initial defense team 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: had been dismantled when its funding evaporated, so he was 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: now represented by a public defender. Here's Bill Clutter. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: By the time the death penalty was abolished, it was 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: March of twenty eleven, so we had been investigating the 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: case and learning the case for entire four years, and 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: then once those resources went away, when it was no 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 2: longer a capital case, the funding reverted to. 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: The county prosecutors had originally planned to try this case 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: as a death penalty case, but in the five years 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: since the murder, the death penalty has been abolished here 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: in the state of Illinois, and the fund used to 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: pay for Christopher Vaughn's public defenders has been eliminated. 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 4: He now has new attorneys. 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Something that would have a mixed impact on Vaughn. 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: The good news is they're abolishing the death penalty. The 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: bad news is they're abolishing the death penalty, which means 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: you don't get the resources to defend yourself before trial 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: and in many cases, prosecutors were making those decisions to 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: file their intent not to seek the death penalty because 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: it would. 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 5: Do just that. 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: The defense that Vaughn ended up going to that courtroom 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: with as compared to the level that the prosecution had 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: at the time, how would you categorize it? 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: People use the analogy of David versus Goliath, but in 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: this case it was David versus Godzilla. 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren bred Pacheco, and this is murder in Illinois. 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 6: But you did ja you you. 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 7: Do? 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: To recap Christopher Vaughan was held without bond in the 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Will County Jail in Illinois, So from the time he 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: was arrested at his family's funeral in two thousand and 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: seven until the time of his trial in twenty twelve, 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: he'd spent the last five years of his life in jail. 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Regardless of the verdict, a man who hadn't yet been 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: convicted of a crime had already lost five years of 40 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: his life to incarceration, and Gale and Pierre Vaughan were 41 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: very wary about their son's downgraded defense as he headed 42 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: to court. 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 8: Well. 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 5: John Rogers and Jerry Killian were both expert lawyers, and 45 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 5: they worked very hard on it for four years, and 46 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 5: they knew the thing inside and out, and they they 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 5: were ready to go to trial, but they kept the 48 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 5: state kept putting them off. If you're on trial for 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 5: murder in Illinois, like Chris was, the state pays the 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 5: lawyers and pays for your defense. Once they did away 51 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: with the death penalty, they called our two lawyers in 52 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 5: said hey, look, unless you want to finish this thing 53 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 5: pro bono, we're not going to pay you anymore. 54 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 9: And we couldn't afford I mean, our house wasn't even 55 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 9: a fit in a bucket compared to the money that 56 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 9: we would have had to provide. 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 5: Right, I mean, the lawyers told us that this trial 58 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: was probably costing the State of Illinois somewhere into the 59 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 5: centy of ten to twenty million dollars, and I thought, well, 60 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 5: that's a lot for lawyers. 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 8: You know, the State of Illinois also drug it out 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 8: for four years. That's kind of their own fault. 63 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 5: So lawyers just said, hey, look, you know we can't 64 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 5: finish the thing pro bono. They offered the State of 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 5: Illinois like two hundred and fifty thousand If you give 66 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 5: us two hundred fifty thousand to finish the case, and 67 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 5: the state of Illinois wouldn't do it. But then they 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: hired our public defender and his two associates to get 69 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 5: up to speed on the case. So it was like, Okay, 70 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 5: you wouldn't pay our lawyers two hundred and fifty grand, 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 5: but you paid your three lawyers and you still had 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: to pay the prosecution lawyers to be involved with it, 73 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 5: So the money didn't add up. You know, it's just 74 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 5: a matter of getting rid of our good quality lawyers. 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: And Pierre had another issue with Chris's new defense. 76 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 8: Well, and this is my opinion, here's the thing. 77 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: The public defender lawyers are paid by the same people 78 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 5: who pay the prosecuting lawyers and who pay the judges. 79 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 8: It all comes out of the same check book. 80 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 5: So if you're person signing your check insinuates or let 81 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 5: you know that this is the way things should go, and. 82 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 8: What are you going to do? 83 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: As mentioned before, Chris also had the misfortune of sharing 84 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: a courthouse with another high profile case that was happening 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: at the same time, along with the press frenzy that 86 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: accompanied it. 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 10: In just the first day, attorneys agreed on twelve of 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 10: the eighteen jurors they'll need for the Christopher Vaughn trial. 89 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 10: It's a trial taking place by the way, in a 90 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 10: courtroom literally next door to the murder trial of Drew Peterson. 91 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Christopher Vaughn's trial unfolded in the same courthouse during the 92 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: same time period under the same state's attorney, James Glasgow. 93 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Here's perr Vaughan. 94 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 5: Jude Peterson was a police officer that had a couple 95 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: wives go missing, and as it turns out, his final 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: trial came up at the same time Chris did. 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 8: So it was a meet a circus. There was Chamers 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 8: TVs set up outside, there was a drawing for seats. 99 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 5: They had to they had to take a drawing for 100 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 5: the reporters to get in and take seats in both 101 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 5: both cases. And you know, our our judge said that 102 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 5: that Drew Peterson's case would not have any reflection on 103 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 5: his judgment, but it did. He was he was interviewed 104 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 5: by the press just like everybody else, and he wasn't 105 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 5: going to be outdone by Drew Peterson's case, let's put 106 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: it that way. So, yeah, there was a big media 107 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 5: circus at the end of every day after court, good 108 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 5: old Glasgow would be out there in the Street talking 109 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: about how he's prosecuting these two guys and everything, And 110 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 5: he never even appeared in either courtroom. 111 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: But he was holding a lot of press conferences. 112 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 8: Oh, yes, yes he was. He was running for election. 113 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: At this point, the Peterson trial had garnered national attention. 114 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: Drew Peterson was eventually convicted of killing his third wife, 115 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Kathleen Savio, and his fourth wife, still missing to this day, 116 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: is suspected to have met a similar fate. The case 117 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: somewhat overshadowed Vaughn's. 118 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 11: This trial is expected to last about six weeks, and 119 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 11: interestingly enough, it's being heard right next to the courtroom 120 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 11: where the Drew Peterson murder trial is underway. 121 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: Running for reelection, Glasgow was quite vocal about his intention 122 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: to secure convictions for both Peterson and Vaughn, and his 123 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: opponent at the time accused Glasgow of manipulating the timing 124 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: of both trials for political purposes. Here's Gail Vaughan. 125 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 12: He was trying to be re elected and he actually 126 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 12: used Chris as one of his platforms. 127 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: But that wasn't a new development. Glasgow had been consistent 128 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: on Vaughn even before his funeral day arrest a week 129 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: after the murders. 130 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 12: Yeah, their very first news conference already decided he was guilty. 131 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 12: When it was mister Glasgow and a police commissioner and 132 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 12: they were standing up there answering questions for the reporters. 133 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 12: They said, yep, well we'll get it, We'll bring him in. 134 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 12: They didn't even give him a chance. 135 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: Here's Bill Clutter's take on whether those press conferences had 136 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: a negative impact on Vaughan. 137 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 6: Oh. 138 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: I have no doubt about it. I mean, he was 139 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: already tried and convicted in the media, and you know, 140 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: just having to go into will County with all of 141 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: that intense publicity. He was already convicted in the court 142 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: of public opinion. 143 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Rounding out the hurdles was the police department's apparent tunnel 144 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: vision as to Chris's guilt. From the very day of 145 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: the murder. There never seemed to have been much doubt 146 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: from the state's attorney side of things that Kim was 147 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: innocent and Chris premeditated the entire thing, and the media 148 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: and press followed along. 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: It's typical in many of these cases, and time after 150 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: time that I've been involved. You know, it's hard enough 151 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: when you're innocent trying to prove your innocence. But it's 152 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: even more difficult when you have to overcome the pre 153 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: trop publicity that's already made up many of the minds 154 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: of jurors when they walk into that courtroom. 155 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: So Chris headed into court with a five year public 156 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: perception of guilt and very few supporters. Here's Gail. 157 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 12: There was nobody in his corner except our two lawyers 158 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 12: and Bill. 159 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: That was it. 160 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 9: And we come from a small family, so we didn't 161 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 9: have a lot of people to storm the court or anything. 162 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: During the trial, the press made much note of Chris's demeanor. 163 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: His flat affect in particular, was pointed out by many 164 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to be indicative of his guilt or lack of remorse. 165 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: But there are a number of things that likely played 166 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: into this perception. One was that Chris Vaughn had been 167 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: in jail for five years before the trial began, and 168 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: there was much more to that than the public was aware. 169 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: After he was convicted, his parents would gain disturbing insight 170 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: into what Chris was going through in the time leading 171 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: up to and during his trial. 172 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 13: Let me run this past you. How about this situation 173 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 13: when you're brought over from the jail house to the 174 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 13: courthouse you're brought over in your jail clothes, but before 175 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 13: you leave the jail you are strip search naked, which 176 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 13: goes back on. Get on the bus, go over to 177 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 13: the courthouse. There you're given the clothes that we brought 178 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 13: him to. Go into court. There again your strip search, 179 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 13: cavity search, your closer search, and then you're allowed to addressed. 180 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 13: In the meantime, you're being physically and verbally abused by the. 181 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: Guards during the entire trial. 182 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 8: Well, yes, and every hearing. 183 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 13: He didn't give me your. 184 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 14: Response, I'm speechless. 185 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 15: Yeah, we were too. 186 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: When did you find out that that was happening? 187 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 13: He was told and threatened on what to do. We 188 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 13: didn't find this out until he was in Thenard for 189 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 13: a year. 190 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Manard is Illinois's largest maximum security adult male facility. It's 191 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: considered the toughest prison in Illinois and where Chris would 192 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: be sent after his conviction. 193 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 16: We finally got him opened up a little bit because 194 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 16: at you didn't have to go through a phone system, 195 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 16: and even though they had cameras on you, we were 196 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 16: able to talk to him a little more personable than 197 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 16: when we had been in Joliette. 198 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 13: On the phone. 199 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: When I pressed Chris confirmed his treatment at Joliette and 200 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: commented it actually prepared him for the reality of man 201 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: At Joliette, it would seem many of the people responsible 202 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: for overseeing Chris's well being and captivity did everything they 203 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: could to make life as unpleasant as possible, particularly during 204 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: his trial your scale and. 205 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 16: While he was in captivity in joliet they had the 206 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 16: night night squad that would come in and intimidate and 207 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 16: shake them down and strip them and make them stand 208 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 16: outside their cells or in their cells. 209 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 13: And toss theirselves looking for contrabands. 210 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 16: While you had nothing on with another group of guys. 211 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 16: I mean, Chris was just pummeled from all directions. Psychologically, 212 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 16: he was still trying to understand that his family was 213 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 16: no longer there. He's being really viciously talk to, and 214 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 16: you know, Chris is very sensitive mentally. 215 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: According to Pierre and Gale, that treatment intensified during the 216 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: trial and. 217 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 16: When he was waiting. If there was a break during 218 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 16: court and christ was taken out or he arrived at 219 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 16: the courthouse early, they were putting in a cell that 220 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 16: was unclean. 221 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 13: It reached. 222 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 16: And was nothing there, just a chair in the middle 223 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 16: of a small cell room. Period I mean this kind 224 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 16: of had something that duty or psyche just the way 225 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 16: they mean him a lot. 226 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Once the trial began, the prosecution presented the jury with 227 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: their version of how the incident occurred. In their series 228 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: of events, Christopher Vaughan fatally shot everyone in his family 229 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: on a secluded stretch of the Interstate fifty five frontage road. 230 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: They alleged Vaughan pulled the family's forward expedition over, got 231 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: out under the guise of checking a cargo compartment on 232 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: the roof of the suv, then rabbed his wife through 233 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: the open passenger window, stuck a pistol wrapped in his 234 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: fleece to disguise it under her chin, and shot her 235 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: before turning his attention to his three children. 236 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 10: Prosecutors alleged Christopher Vaughan pulled their suv onto a frontage 237 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 10: road near Shanahan during a family trip, killing them in 238 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 10: shooting himself in the leg, but Vaughn says that his 239 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 10: wife was the one who pulled the gun. She shot 240 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 10: him in the leg, he told investigators before he ran off. 241 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 10: Then he claims she killed their kids and herself. 242 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 7: Jurors paid close attention as Fitzgerald highlighted again how blood 243 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 7: evidence at the scene of the family's suv did not 244 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 7: support Vaughn's version of events on that morning. In June 245 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 7: of two thousand and seven. 246 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Recall that Vaughn told investigators repeatedly during his initial questioning 247 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: that he couldn't remember exactly what happened. Those gaps were 248 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: used against him. Highly problematic for Vaughn was the fact 249 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that in the initial interrogation he gave the impression that 250 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: he'd left the car before Kimberly shot herself, but her 251 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: blood was found on the back right of the fleece 252 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: he'd been wearing, and there were other damning things too. 253 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: Prosecutor's claim it was Vaughan who pulled the trigger and 254 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: staged his own injuries. They say he was hoping to 255 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: cash in on a one million dollar life insurance policy 256 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: he had on his wife. They also planned to present 257 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: evidence that Christopher Vaughan had gone to a gun range 258 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: the night before the murders and used the same handgun 259 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: for target practice that was used in the killings. 260 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: The prosecution also uncovered more things about Chris that would 261 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: prove incredibly damaging to his defense. In October and November 262 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: of two thousand and six, the year prior to the murders, 263 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: Chris began online correspondence with a man named Steve Willett 264 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: on a website discussing outdoorsmanship and wilderness survival techniques. They 265 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: had nicknames for each other. It was Flee and Vaughn 266 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: was Flint. Chris never mentioned his kids on that site 267 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: or during the discussions between the two. What he does discuss, however, 268 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: are survival techniques and the prospect of moving to Canada 269 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: permanently in the future. 270 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 11: Prosecutors say Christopher Vaughan killed his family all because he 271 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 11: wanted to start a new life in Canada. 272 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: And according to the police, Vaughan had been stockpiling wilderness gear. 273 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Officers uncovered a storage unit that Vaughn had rented that 274 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: was full of camping equipment, sleeping bags, boots, and camp tools, 275 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: in addition to a jar of peanut butter and a 276 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: bottle of Jameson whiskey. The prosecution was putting together a 277 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: picture of a man who had kept tons of secrets 278 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: and was potentially planning to fake his own death and 279 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: run away from his family. We will come back to 280 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: all of this later, but according to Erica Wurst, who 281 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: covered the trial as a local reporter. It wasn't a 282 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: flattering picture, especially in contrast to the pictures of his 283 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: deceased wife and kids. 284 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 17: I mean, not only were the children adorable, Kim had, 285 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 17: you know, a lot of friends, was going to school, 286 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 17: worked in the poolhouse. 287 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 16: Chris, as quiet as he was, still was. 288 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 15: Providing for his family. I mean, everyone. 289 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 17: Seemed to say he was a nice guy, just very demure. 290 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 17: Then you find out, like all the lies in this 291 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 17: like alter life that Chris had been having underneath. 292 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 15: Everyone's nose, finding that out, seeing all. 293 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 17: The camping equipment, talking to his online buddy, and planning everything. 294 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 17: When that came out, boom, that was like another shock, 295 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 17: a huge shock. 296 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: The prosecute intended to make mention of Chris's religious beliefs, 297 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: which he admitted lean towards Druidism, a modern spiritual movement 298 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: based on Celtic rooted mysticism that celebrates nature. 299 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: Attorneys fort Christopher Vaughan are asking me a judge, to 300 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: bar any mention of his religious beliefs in his upcoming 301 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: murder trial. They feel drawers will speculate on whether it's 302 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: a religion or a cult. Prosecutor said they won't discuss 303 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Vaughn's religious beliefs, but may present drawers with postings Vaughan 304 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: made online on a mailing list. 305 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Police had confiscated books on Druidism from von to home. 306 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 11: He later told police during a videotaped interview that his 307 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 11: wife was upset with him over his religious beliefs, Druidism, 308 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 11: and his recent admission of an afair he had during 309 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 11: a business trip to Mexico a year earlier. 310 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Here again is Erica Wurst for me. 311 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 15: One of the big eye opening things was when they 312 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 15: brought up the gentlemen from Canada I believe, who Chris 313 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 15: had been corresponding with about their great walk into the wild. 314 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 15: There's a whole mission here, there's a whole goal here, 315 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 15: and not one of those planned missions or goals entail 316 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 15: your family or your child. He was lying to people 317 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 15: about being married, he was lying to people about having child. 318 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 15: That was a big one hearing this guy talk about 319 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 15: how he had no idea. 320 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 17: That Chris had a family and he thought that they 321 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 17: were going to go do this. 322 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Steve Willett testified at the trial, and the defense walked 323 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: through all the various messages between him and Vaughn. Here's 324 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: Bill again, I've. 325 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: Read the emails years ago between him and Chris. 326 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: So this is the guy Chris found on a wilderness 327 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: website and he was kind of like an email pen pal, 328 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: exactly right. 329 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: But I mean, the thing about this is they used 330 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: his testimony to try to establish the narrative that Chris 331 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of his family by killing them 332 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: so he can go hiking off into the wilderness with 333 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: his friend that he met online. His testimony was presented 334 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: and they walked him through the various email communications. Was 335 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: used to paint Chris in this awfully bad light, you know, 336 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: just the grind of He got a guy that looks 337 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: like he's living the American dream. He's got this big 338 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: house in Oswego, Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago. He's 339 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: got a job and it's a successful career. He's making 340 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand a year. But yet he wants to 341 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: escape into the wilderness and get off the grid and 342 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: leave civilization and the grind of it all. But I'm 343 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: convinced that it wasn't Chris's intent to kill his family 344 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: to accomplish that. He could have gone off into the 345 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: woods and disappeared and never returned without having to kill 346 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: his family. 347 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: But then there were the strippers. Chris had spent almost 348 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars and the weeks prior to the murder 349 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: in strip clubs. 350 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 11: As many as four exotic dancers are expected to testify 351 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 11: that Vaughn frequented strip clubs in Chicago and the suburbs. 352 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 11: Months before the murders. He told one of the strippers 353 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 11: he was single, and even made bizarre statements about ancient souls. 354 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: Chris Vaughn wasn't exactly coming across as a sympathetic defendant. 355 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Here's journalist Jojosey, editor of the Herald News. 356 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 18: I don't think anybody really bought into his version of events. 357 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 18: And then anything started to come out, with his online 358 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 18: relationship with the guy in the Yukon and faking his 359 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 18: dad so he get away from his family and they 360 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 18: will get the life insurance or whatever it was, the 361 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 18: strip clubs and dropping several thousand dollars in a couple 362 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 18: weeks on one of the women. 363 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 11: Prosecutors will also show the jury a cryptic poem allegedly 364 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 11: found in Vaughn's jail cell that made references to a 365 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 11: dancer named Maya that Vaughn had met at the Chicago 366 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 11: strip Club. 367 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 18: I'm not mistaken the poems. What were they written in 368 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 18: Celtic or something. I mean, that's a unique detail and 369 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 18: it's strange. But when you're in jail for murdering your 370 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 18: family and you're writing poems about a stripper and running, 371 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 18: that's probably not a great optic. So, I mean, the 372 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 18: stuff that was coming out, it didn't look good. 373 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 14: Here again is Erica worst When the poem that was 374 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 14: written to Maya was read out loud, that was a 375 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 14: little disturbing because it showed. 376 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 15: This illusionment of love and less knowing that like his 377 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 15: wife's anniversary was like Inja and that was just kind 378 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 15: of that betrayal there that she wasn't even aware of 379 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 15: what's happening. 380 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 17: So that kind of stufted thousands of dollars he spent 381 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 17: on these girls. Granted he didn't get dances from them 382 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 17: or have sex with them, but I think just going 383 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 17: there and I don't know, sort of like a retrieve 384 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 17: for him, get away from his house's going on, all 385 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 17: the scouting trips that he lied about. I don't know, 386 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 17: tell me what of that is an evidence. 387 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: At this point, one might ask why Chris would have 388 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: gone through all of this trouble when if his marriage 389 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: was supposedly so bad, he could have just gotten divorced. 390 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: During Chris's interrogation, the police asked the same question, and 391 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: then Chris gave the response that would do him zero 392 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: favors in the courtroom. Divorce is not an option. We'll 393 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: come back to that. And then there was the murder itself. 394 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: The prosecution established what they believed to be Chris's motive 395 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: based on his emails with Willett and his behavior and 396 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: infatuation with the strippers he was visiting, while at the 397 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: same time Painting came out to be the kind of 398 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: mother who could not have possibly committed the crime. And 399 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: then there was the prosecution's presentation of the crime scene 400 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: and its emotional impact on the trial. Here's Gail. 401 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 16: They had a large projected screen. 402 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 9: It had to been by foot by. 403 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 16: Seven foot. 404 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 19: I mean it was a huge showing screen, and they 405 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 19: had pictures bigger than life. 406 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 7: On this end. 407 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 8: They were awful. 408 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: During the display of these photos, the jury focused on Chris, 409 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: his demeanor, the look on his face. 410 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: When the prosecutors put up a seventy two inch big 411 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: screen and showed all the pictures of the truck, the 412 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: crime scene, the bodies, every little thing that was involved 413 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 5: in it. 414 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 8: You know, they called it evidence. 415 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 5: They showed them all the parts of the crime scene, 416 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 5: but they didn't put it all together to make it 417 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 5: a crime. And you know, they had this big elaborate thing. 418 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 5: They had three or four lawyers on their side. And 419 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 5: when our guy got up there to the public defender 420 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 5: got up there, he brought up a laptop and set 421 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: a laptop and a table, you know, with a little 422 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: to each screen in front of a jury of eighteen 423 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 5: people and expected them to be able to see what 424 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 5: he was talking about. 425 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 9: The prosecutors put up a big shock and awe performance. 426 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 20: They showed pictures of the children lying dead in the seats, 427 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 20: They showed pictures of Kimberly. They just showed pictures to 428 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 20: make you feel really shocked. 429 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 14: I mean, it was, it was terrible. 430 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 9: And the whole time the screen was just for the jurors, 431 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 9: so the people on. 432 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 14: The defense did not see what they were seeing, but 433 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 14: the jury could also see Cress. 434 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 16: The jury was scaring at Chris the whole time, and 435 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 16: our our defensive attorney, mister Lenard, had talked to Chris 436 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 16: about this before, and Chris had told him, please, I 437 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 16: don't want to see those pictures. So when they thought 438 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 16: Chris was looking at it on a on these little 439 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 16: laptop screen, there was nothing there. We were not seeing 440 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 16: the pictures that the jury was, and they based a 441 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 16: lot of Chris's emotion on, Wow, he's looking at those 442 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 16: and he's looking at a fingernail, or he's staring at 443 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 16: the ceiling, or he's looking down at a pencil. And 444 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 16: mister Leonard had told Chris not to make comments about anything. 445 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: So while the jury believed Chris's lack of reaction was 446 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: to the pictures of his dead children, he was in 447 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: fact seeing nothing and he was doing exactly as he 448 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: was instructed by his lawyer. But what the rest of 449 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: the court was seeing was horrifying. Here's Erica worst. 450 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 14: They were horrible. 451 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 21: They were horrible. 452 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 22: You have little babies with you know, bullet wounds that 453 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 22: were zooming up on and seeing and Kim with her 454 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 22: hand like slouched like owned by the Center Council kind of. 455 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 21: And she's got her wedding ring on. 456 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 22: That's one that's like seered into my head just because 457 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 22: you know, it's so sad there's a wedding ring, there's blood. 458 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 22: It's just something hard to look at, you know, even 459 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 22: to see the kids clothing and Kim's clothing. Every part 460 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 22: of it just shouldn't have happened. Then when you see 461 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 22: that it actually did and it's real, you know, it 462 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 22: takes it to another level. Blake, Casandra and Abigail, we've 463 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 22: seen them alive and smiling in pictures. Oh, I seriously 464 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 22: want to pray right now. You see them the way 465 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 22: they ended up, and someone did that to them, and 466 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 22: if you're a human being, you can't wrap your head around. 467 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: So Blake was behind Kimberley, Cassandra was in the center, 468 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: and Abigail was behind the driver's seat. 469 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 7: Uh huh. 470 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: And was was Abigail holding a Harry Potter book? 471 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 21: You know, there was repower book. 472 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 15: They had a little. 473 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 22: Mickey mouse tissue thing. Pretty sure there was like a 474 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 22: Charlotte's web in there somewhere. They had blankets. They got 475 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 22: up at four in the morning, you know how they 476 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 22: were just probably groggy and still asleep. And you know, 477 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 22: you find Blake with his hands up and a defensive motion. 478 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 21: That's another thing, is that just makes me lose my breath. 479 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 21: Is like he's looking at either one of. 480 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 22: His parents holding. 481 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 21: A gun to him. 482 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 22: And then the other two girls are watching what happened 483 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 22: to the next one. And I always think about that 484 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 22: they're stuck in that back car and they're watching their 485 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 22: siblings get killed one after another, knowing their next and. 486 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 21: The fear and the terror. 487 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Remember the emotion, and even the recollection of those photos 488 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: will come back to it later. 489 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 15: And then to see Kim in the front seat, in 490 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 15: her seatbelt of courses of and you see where the 491 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 15: gun is, but she's leading. That's hard to see. And 492 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 15: then you see Chris with a womb to. 493 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 16: His sky and they risked. 494 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 15: So yeah, there's no comparison. There's no comparison. Don't five people, 495 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 15: one in the car, one left. 496 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: The prosecution also pointed out that Chris's behavior after the 497 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: shootings did not line up with someone whose family had 498 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: just been killed. The medics who attended to Christopher, Bond 499 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: and the ambulance were called to testify. They said Christopher 500 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: never made inquiries about Kim or Abigail, or Cassandra or Blake, 501 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: but one medic recalled Chris Vaughn expressed concern about his 502 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: cowboy boots. 503 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 23: Now, while in the emergency room after the shootings, he 504 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 23: reportedly was upset about blood on his cowboy boots. Taken 505 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 23: all together, certainly this is evidence that seems difficult to overcome. 506 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: Chris had sustained non life threatening gunshot wounds, which the 507 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: prosecution contended could easily have been self inflicted. To help 508 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: his case, here's Erica worst again. 509 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 15: In the ambulance. He is yelling at them about cutting 510 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 15: off his boots and not ruining his jacket because he 511 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 15: got it in the Yukon and. 512 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 16: It's just so narcissistic. 513 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 15: I was like, Holy, how is that your main concern 514 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 15: right now? 515 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 14: Is that your main concern? 516 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 15: And they're like, maybe he doesn't know his family and 517 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 15: kids are killed down the road, Like I wouldn't have 518 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 15: blessed my family and kids killed down the road. I 519 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 15: don't know, that's the thing. It could have dreams about 520 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 15: it every day. 521 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: The defense did not have experts who could counter that 522 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: perception in terms of Chris's psychological or dissociative state. 523 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 5: Here's Pierre Well, at that time, Chris didn't know his 524 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 5: family was dead. All Chris knew was that his wife 525 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 5: shot him. 526 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 8: And his blood was on his boots. 527 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 5: And when he got into the ambulance, rather than pull 528 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: his boot off, they were going to cut the boot off, 529 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 5: and at all he did was ask them not to 530 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 5: cut the boot off, just take the boot off. And 531 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 5: somehow this guy all construed around that he didn't care 532 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 5: for his family. 533 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: The defense made the case Kim had been experiencing erratic 534 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: behavior leading up to the incident, and again tried to 535 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: argue the culprit for her rapid swing in behavior could 536 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: have been one of the medications she was prescribed for 537 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: her migraines, Topomax, which was flagged by the FDA after 538 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: the killings. Here's Gail. 539 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 19: Nearly two years passed before the FDA issued new warning 540 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 19: labels and medication guides for Topamax. The warning labels inserted 541 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 19: into the medications advised patients to immediately call their health 542 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 19: provider if they were experiencing new or worse anxiety, feeling 543 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 19: agitated or restless, having panic attacks, new or worse irritability, 544 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 19: and unusual changes in moods or behavior. This was documented 545 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 19: from one of her doctors after one of her visits. 546 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 19: She had called Chris because she was experiencing a behavioral problem. 547 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 19: She was experiencing mood swings. She did have panic attacks, 548 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 19: but because the drugs weren't studied enough at that point 549 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 19: in time, they didn't know these were danger signs. 550 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Was that discussed in the case in court. 551 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 9: Not really, It was kind of skirted around. 552 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 19: We had a specialist, doctor Healey, who was supposed to 553 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 19: talk about this, but the judge disallowed him because he 554 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 19: said doctor Healey would only be giving his opinion, not facts. 555 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 19: This entire investigation was a tunnel vision and it infected 556 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 19: the entire group, and they only saw Chris as the villain. 557 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 19: They didn't seek Kim as a person that was asking 558 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 19: for help. 559 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: The testimony of other possible expert witnesses for the defense, 560 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: like doctor Terry Kellyan, who diagnosed Vaughan with dissociative amnesia, 561 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: was also dismissed as opinion. And then there were other 562 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: issues that play. Chris's sister in law, Rachel, was called 563 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: to testify about a phone call she'd received from Kimberly 564 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: Vaughn shortly before the killings. Here's her take on the 565 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: team defending Chris. 566 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: All I can say is I know they were not 567 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: very organized with me. I remember the lawyer called me 568 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 4: once before the trial started, and he said that will 569 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 4: probably call you to talk about your phone call. The 570 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 4: trial's coming, but I don't know if I'm going to 571 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 4: be called or when. So I finally called him and 572 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 4: I said, am I supposed to be coming? Because I 573 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 4: have to make plans. I have three children at that 574 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 4: point and no family in town, so I need to 575 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: know what's going on. And he finally said, well, we're 576 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 4: pretty sure we'll on this day. So I had like 577 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 4: a couple of days to get to Juliet, and I 578 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 4: had I mean, I knew they wanted to talk to 579 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 4: me about the phone call. I didn't know what that meant, 580 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 4: never having stepped foot into a real courtroom before. 581 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: In cases of this level, witnesses are usually walked through 582 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: their testimony and prepared for possible cross examination. Rachel took 583 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: the stand without the time to even revisit a statement 584 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: she'd given five years before, one in which Kim confided 585 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: about two emotional outbursts she'd had in recent months, one 586 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: with Chris's parents, the other involving an issue with one 587 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: of the children's schools. 588 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 4: I remember talking to Bill Clutter and him saying, I'm 589 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 4: going to write down what you are saying, and I said, okay. Well, 590 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 4: five years later, I'm sitting outside a courtroom and they 591 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: hand me a piece of paper and say, this was 592 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: your statement. At that moment, I didn't remember giving a statement. 593 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 4: I had never seen it. I had no idea, and 594 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 4: so I cannot remember if the incident at school, because 595 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 4: she just said something happened. I was with either a 596 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 4: teacher or a principle or something. It was my impression 597 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: she overreacted, so I don't know if that was in 598 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 4: the statement. 599 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: Apparently the defense had wanted Rachel to also testify about 600 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: a comment Kim made on that call about her doctor, 601 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: but in the end it wasn't allowed. 602 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 4: I only know this because I could hear them talking 603 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 4: to the judge. But they were trying to get me 604 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 4: to be able to say what Kim said about her 605 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: doctor and what her dad thought about her doctor and 606 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But then they were, you know, hearsay, 607 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 4: and it was too many layers in the chain there, 608 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 4: and so they didn't allow them to ask that question. 609 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 4: I told my husband that when I was done testifying 610 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 4: and I walked out of the room, my very first 611 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: thought was he's going to be convicted. It was in 612 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 4: the air. You knew it when you were in there. 613 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 4: I knew it when I was there. 614 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: The prosecution made their closing arguments and the jury came 615 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: back with the decision in fifty minutes. Here's Pierre. 616 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 5: But they came into the court room at nine o'clock 617 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 5: and for some reason, the prosecution was running along and 618 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 5: they asked the jurors if they wanted to take a 619 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 5: break for lunch, and they said no, they wanted to 620 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 5: get the thing done and over with because it was 621 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 5: a Friday, six weeks everybody was tired of it. And 622 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 5: then we listened to the prosecution's closing statement that lasted 623 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 5: three hours and went through all the evidence, but never 624 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 5: never tied the evidence to the actual crime. He just, 625 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 5: you know, just a lot of accusations in any windows. 626 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Here's Erica Wurst's take. 627 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 22: I was surprised at how fast it came in. That's 628 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 22: going to be one of the fastest I've been in. 629 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 22: I don't even think they got to lunch time yet 630 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 22: before it was thrown back, you know. And if it 631 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 22: did take any longer than that, it was because they 632 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 22: were sitting in their back having loans. 633 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 21: But you know, it was a swift verdict, and that 634 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 21: was the shocking part to me. But it just meant 635 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 21: that they had their minds made up and that there 636 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 21: wasn't a whole lot of tits for ted or questions 637 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 21: coming back or anything. So they seemed pretty confident in 638 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 21: their verdict. 639 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: The reaction in the courtroom was about what one would expect. 640 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: Here's Jojosey. 641 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 18: Was anybody surprised with the verdict? 642 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 5: I don't. 643 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 18: I don't think anyone was surprised at all by the verdict. 644 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: And the emotion Erica worst remembers came from the Phillips side. 645 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 21: It was crying on Kim's side. 646 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 22: Chris got up and I just, you know, read my 647 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 22: notes the other day and it was like he got 648 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 22: up and he didn't even look back at his. 649 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 21: Family while he was being taken away. And I just 650 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 21: remember thinking that was that because he felt bad and 651 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 21: he didn't want to look. 652 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 9: At your mom? 653 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 21: Is that because it was too hard to look at 654 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 21: your mom? Is that why didn't he look back? So 655 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 21: that that was weird. It's always a Chris cross of 656 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 21: jubilation and utter heart breaks. But Kim did have a 657 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 21: lot more people on that wanted justice served. 658 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: Christopher Vaughan was found guilty on four counts of first 659 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: degree murder of his wife and three children, and sentenced 660 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: to four life sentences. A decision Erica Worst, who covered 661 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: the entire trial, agreed with when we first started speaking 662 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: about the case. 663 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 16: I believe with. 664 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 15: Ninety eight point nine percent, Shorty. 665 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 17: That Crusher Vaughn chilled his wife the early and freak. 666 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 15: I don't know so that you can show me anything 667 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 15: outside of a confession that would prove otherwise. I mean, 668 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 15: lots of convicts maintain or innocence. It's not unheard of. 669 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 15: I'm not surprised that he's maintaining his innocince. I don't 670 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 15: think I'll ever admit to killing his children in his life. 671 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 15: It was Kim then guess why she can't tell us now? 672 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 15: So yeah, I think he did it, And I think 673 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 15: that I'm educated enough on the topic and steps through 674 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 15: and looks every bit of a piece of evidence to 675 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 15: form an educated conclusion. 676 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 13: Are there a couple of. 677 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 15: Things maybe you guys can find out or stick in 678 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 15: or poking? Sure, no trial is invalluable. 679 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: Here is the Will County State's attorney James Glasgow, at 680 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: a press conference after the verdict. 681 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 24: What this guy did here was a diabolical atrocity, and 682 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 24: he's a heartless, soulless psychopath. That's the bottom line. That's 683 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 24: what he is, without any compassion, without any empathy for 684 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 24: other human beings. There isn't a punishment that fits this crime. 685 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 24: You could lock them up for five hundred lifetimes and 686 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 24: it would not compensate the victims in this case or 687 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 24: the family members. 688 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: Fourteen years after the tragedy and nearly a decade after 689 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: that statement, Bill Clutter remains deeply frustrated by the verdict. 690 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 2: We had experts that were prepared. We had the world's 691 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 2: leading expert on medications causing homicidal and smicidal behavior, and 692 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: that expert never testified. The jury never heard from that expert. 693 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: We had two experts working on that issue. We had 694 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 2: an expert in psychology working on dissociative amnesia to explain 695 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: that to the jury. That wasn't done. 696 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: Clutter believes it could have made a difference. 697 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: The defense presented its theory of defense that this was 698 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: a murder suicide. Obviously it was ineffective, but how so 699 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 2: what else could have maybe turned their decision? Maybe hearing 700 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 2: from key experts had never heard from. 701 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: Here's attorney Keith Altman, who would have been one of 702 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: those experts. 703 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 10: That the available evidence was not presented to a jury 704 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 10: and for them to have made a decision based. 705 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 16: Upon the evidence, that's what superior. 706 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 24: If the evidence was given to a jury properly and 707 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 24: they decided to convict him anyway, then at least he 708 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 24: had his day in court. 709 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: So that's not what happened, and that's just it. There 710 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: was evidence given by the prosecution with regards to the 711 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: crime scene that simply didn't and still does not align 712 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: with expert opinion, and based on new revelations, not all 713 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: the circumstantial evidence holds up to scrutiny. If all the 714 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: evidence were presented fully, what would it have shown? 715 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 25: Money of black Oh, the same shape and side. 716 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 26: The nice indeed them. 717 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 21: The sense of vision. 718 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 6: He going Garrio, She. 719 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 26: Just changed Nzo roads. 720 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Murder in Illinois, will carefully 721 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: re examine the issues that remain regarding the crime scene. 722 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 16: She would have protected her kids like she was a 723 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 16: mama bear. 724 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: And explain inconsistencies and key elements of the prosecution's version 725 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: of events. 726 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: I didn't see any good psychiatric analyzes in. 727 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: These and scrutinize the way evidence was handled and. 728 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 2: That's completely contrary to the initial belief of the state's attorney. 729 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: To see if combined these things could have raised reasonable doubt. 730 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: Murdered Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. 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