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Speaker 1: our hair, our muscles, and so with the lack of

435
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Speaker 1: any one of these main ingredients macro nutrients, our body

436
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Speaker 1: is not going to be able to function a maximum.

437
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Speaker 1: And so the challenge for you, someone who's vegan, we've

438
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: always talked about is getting an adequate amount of protein.

439
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Speaker 1: And for those ladies who are at home wondering, well,

440
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Speaker 1: what should I be aiming for every day, Well, one

441
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Speaker 1: gram of protein per pound of body weight is where

442
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Speaker 1: you typically need to be at. And so we've you know,

443
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Speaker 1: seen in the gym, and we've had conversations about how

444
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Speaker 1: hard that can be, especially when you're on a plant

445
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Speaker 1: based or vegetarian diet. And so that's when supplements come

446
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: into play. You know, this is why we use supplements.

447
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Speaker 1: It's why they're called supplements. They are a supplement to

448
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Speaker 1: a whole food diet. You know, where can we be

449
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: receiving from whole foods, you know, fruits, vegetables, proteins, etc.

450
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Where can we be receiving the nutrients that we need

451
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Speaker 1: and then supplementing with protein powders. In this case, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: we use vegan protein powders with you. So, Yeah, one

453
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: of the journeys that we've been on together is really

454
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Speaker 1: looking at ways in which we can increase your protein

455
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Speaker 1: intake so that your body can regenerate from all of

456
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: the training that you do in an optimal way and

457
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: therefore you can reap the rewards of your training, and

458
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: therefore your body can generate lean muscle mass and it

459
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Speaker 1: will have to work less hard to burn fat. And

460
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: so with that lack of protein, you're basically trying to

461
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Speaker 1: get your body to do all the work with none

462
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: of the elements that it needs. Yeah.

463
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Speaker 2: And if you're trying to build muscle, I know you've

464
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Speaker 2: said this to me so many times. You have to

465
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Speaker 2: feed the muscle.

466
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Speaker 1: Connectly.

467
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Speaker 2: You forget that when you're trying to build something. And

468
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Speaker 2: I remember asking you this so many times, and I

469
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Speaker 2: feel like it's a question. And when I was asking

470
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Speaker 2: people what they would want to know, the question of

471
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Speaker 2: can I build muscle and lose weight at the same time.

472
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Speaker 1: You absolutely can, but it's not going to be particularly fast. Yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: And you have to be extremely methodical about it if

474
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Speaker 1: you were new to fitness, you had never trained before,

475
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Speaker 1: like most of the girls that come in the gym

476
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Speaker 1: in the first I would say eight weeks of training

477
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Speaker 1: gain muscle mass pure and simply because they haven't had

478
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Speaker 1: any stimulation. They've typically coming off of nothing, or maybe

479
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Speaker 1: they've been doing pilates or yoga, So their muscle mass

480
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Speaker 1: and messle definition increases, and their fat mass because they're

481
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Speaker 1: exercising and that activity is high starts to drop. But

482
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Speaker 1: when it comes to like take for example, a person

483
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Speaker 1: like of my build and stature, it's extremely hard for

484
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Speaker 1: me to maintain or build muscle and lose fat. I

485
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: have to be extremely disciplined, and even then it's not

486
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Speaker 1: very easy for me to do it at at the

487
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Speaker 1: same time. So what we typically do is pick one

488
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Speaker 1: battleh pick one battle, are you losing fat or are

489
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Speaker 1: you building muscle? But also understanding the benefit of each

490
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Speaker 1: of those things. So if you're a person who has

491
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Speaker 1: a really high body fat percentage over thirty two percent

492
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Speaker 1: is typically what's cass as obese, and so you know

493
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Speaker 1: even in that category or a higher risk of type

494
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Speaker 1: do diabetes and heart disease. So you want to aim

495
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Speaker 1: to be in the lower section anyway, and then if

496
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Speaker 1: you are fortunate enough to be perhaps in the teens

497
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Speaker 1: or in the twenties, you might actually be able to

498
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Speaker 1: just focus on gaining some muscle, gaining it in a

499
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Speaker 1: way that means that you have a calorie surplus, but

500
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Speaker 1: not so much that you gain a ton of fat

501
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Speaker 1: mass at the same time.

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Speaker 2: So individual thing, isn't it.

503
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Speaker 1: It really is.

504
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Speaker 2: You really have to stick at something and keep consistent

505
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Speaker 2: with it. I know, with everything that we've done, the

506
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Speaker 2: only time you really see results is through consistency. And

507
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Speaker 2: I remember I used to go through a period of

508
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: trying so many different workouts because everyone was like, I

509
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: did pilates in it helped me with this, and I

510
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: did boxing and it helped me with this, and trying

511
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: out so many different things where actually as boring as

512
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Speaker 2: consistency feels and it is, it's actually so much harder

513
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Speaker 2: to stick at one thing and decide that, you know what,

514
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Speaker 2: for three months, I'm going to stick to this one

515
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Speaker 2: thing every single day. I'm going to commit to it,

516
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: whether it's the same workout, the same food, the same routine.

517
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Speaker 2: I think consistency is probably the hardest thing for most

518
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Speaker 2: people in any area of their life, including working out,

519
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: And I think it's that feeling of, oh, if I

520
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: switch it up, it's going to keep it more exciting

521
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Speaker 2: and it's going to keep it fun. And it may

522
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Speaker 2: do that, but then it may not have the results

523
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Speaker 2: that you want. And especially with weight training, I found

524
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: that you know, you see yourself getting better and better,

525
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: like each a weight gets put on each time or

526
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Speaker 2: every week, you're able to do a little bit, a

527
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Speaker 2: little bit higher weight or a few more reps in

528
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Speaker 2: those areas, and if you do stick with it, you

529
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Speaker 2: end up seeing that consistency. But God, because this is

530
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Speaker 2: so hard and like getting yourselves to the gym every

531
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Speaker 2: single day. I mean for people who maybe don't have

532
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Speaker 2: aren't able to afford personal trainers. Let's say I think

533
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Speaker 2: a lot of people injure themselves when it comes to

534
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Speaker 2: weight training, or they're scared to start it themselves because

535
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Speaker 2: they don't know what they're doing. What would you say,

536
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Speaker 2: is like the best way for someone who can't necessarily

537
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Speaker 2: have guidance, where's the best place to start? Like how

538
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: do they start with something like that?

539
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: With the basics. So I think the key is you

540
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: can get a really long way with a very few

541
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: simple exercises. So actually we talked about this the other day.

542
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Speaker 1: When personal trainers start out as personal trainers, their program

543
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: is extremely simple because they don't know much more. And

544
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: then once they learn a lot more about training and

545
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: life and experience, things get very, very complicated. And then

546
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the better a personal trainer you get or become, training

547
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: plans get simple again because you understand what can stay

548
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: in and what needs to go and what's not actually

549
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: being effective. And so I say to anyone who you

550
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Speaker 1: know can't afford to is not in a position to

551
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: hire a personal trainer, pick the exercises that you do

552
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: the best, that are really simple. If you know that

553
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: you're a really good squatter squat, if you know that

554
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: you're good at the bench press bench press, if you

555
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: know that you're good at deadlift, deadlift, but make sure

556
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: that those lifts are meaningful lifts, i e. You know

557
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: it's not like a freaking fire hydratet.

558
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

559
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, make sure that you can actually lift a significant

560
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: amount of weight, and your sole aim is to just

561
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: get better and better at it.

562
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: Exactly. You know you're doing it right if you're able

563
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Speaker 2: to do it better and better each time.

564
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I know you're building.

565
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: An app at the moment, and I've used your app

566
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: in the past, and I do think that even if

567
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Speaker 2: you're able to spend like a couple of sessions with

568
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: a trainer and learn those fundamentals so you know you're

569
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: doing it right, then when I'm traveling, when I'm away,

570
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: I feel confident in myself to be able to get

571
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: on that app and know that I'm doing it in

572
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: the correct way and be able to follow it. But

573
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: I do think that it's like with anything else. If

574
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: you think about with when we go to school and

575
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: when we're learning things, fitness and your body is no different.

576
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: You do need to learn from experts as well as

577
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: tuning into your body. You do need to invest that time,

578
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: invest that money, invest their energy into learning from people

579
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 2: who have put in those hours to understand it. And

580
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's also the issue with Instagram sometimes

581
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: where you see people lifting in they're not necessarily experts,

582
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: and so you're like, oh, I can do this too,

583
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: and then you throw your back out or you end

584
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: up getting you know, so many issues with your body,

585
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: and so I think you know it is an investment

586
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: you should be investing in your health and if you

587
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: do have the availability to go and learn from an

588
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: expert first and then do the work yourself after. I

589
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: think that's probably the ideal way to do it. So

590
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: you set yourself up for success. Yes, another way to

591
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: set yourself up for success. Please do it in front

592
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: of a mirror. Yeah, like really really simple. But when

593
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't do that, they're not standing straight. I'm like,

594
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Speaker 2: my neck is straight. I used to do this thing

595
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: with my neck. She'd be like, look straight. I'm like,

596
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: I am straight, and then I look at the mirror.

597
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I am so not straight right now?

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, really simple things. Making sure that

599
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: you're watching your form and so you're getting immediate bio feedback.

600
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: You can make those adjustments, know what you're looking for.

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00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: There are some great videos out there on on social media.

602
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: One of the Instagram people that I follow as squat University.

603
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: He has some great content with regards to techniques. So

604
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: you can learn a lot with very little. And you know,

605
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: we talked about the body as well. I wanted to

606
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Speaker 1: bring this up because it sparked just this idea we

607
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Speaker 1: talked about, you know the idea of can we lose fat?

608
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Speaker 1: And also gain muscle at the same time. And one

609
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: of the things, you know, I feel like we've chatted

610
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Speaker 1: about in the past, is the body is not supposed

611
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Speaker 1: to train the same way the whole year round. There

612
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Speaker 1: is a reason that there are seasons you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: have a fluffy season. There's a reason that there's a winter.

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Speaker 1: You know, your body is supposed to cycle in and

615
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Speaker 1: out of leanness. So I always aim one time a

616
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Speaker 1: year to get into like the best shape of my life,

617
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: and every year that might look like something completely different.

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Speaker 1: And so I allow myself during those winter months to

619
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: gain a little bit more body fat, to develop a

620
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Speaker 1: little bit more muscle, because it's that muscle that I

621
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: gained during that winter the winter that I want to

622
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: show off come April. And so when it comes to losing,

623
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, getting lean, you've got something to show for it.

624
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Speaker 1: And I feel like as women, we can stay in

625
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: this cycle of skinniness and thinking that we have to

626
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Speaker 1: be a certain size all the time, and we lose

627
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: out on all of the joy of developing a physique,

628
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: having the abs, having the tone where we want it,

629
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: lifting the butt, you know, those things are really exciting,

630
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: and so we can do ourselves a real kind of disservice,

631
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: chasing the idea of wanting to be a certain size

632
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: all year round. I say, ladies, is to understand that

633
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: your body is meant to cycle through seasons, but not

634
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: only cycle through seasons. Think about it. It cycles every

635
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: single month month.

636
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: I know the changes in your body. One hundred changes

637
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: in a woman's body throughout the month is just and

638
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: I've been really I actually started reading this book. It's

639
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: called In the Flow. I think it's called In the Flow, yeah,

640
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: and it talks about how we live on the clock

641
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: of a man, like we live on a twenty four

642
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: hour clock, which is actually what a male hormone cycle is.

643
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: They work according to a twenty four hour clock, and

644
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: that's how we work. When actually there's apparently a cycle

645
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: of how we should be doing things according to the

646
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: position of our cycle we're in, whether we're in ovulation,

647
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: where the type of activities we should be doing, the

648
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: type of training we should be doing. And I always

649
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: use the I noticed for my body whenever I would

650
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: come in and I would be on my period and

651
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: I'd be training, my back would be so sensitive, like

652
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Speaker 2: if I try to lift heavy when I'm on my period,

653
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: I know for a fact my lower back there's going

654
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: to be an issue, and your body becomes not weaker,

655
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: but it needs more at that time.

656
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a level of inflammation that happens. Yeah. And

657
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: the interesting thing as I've been seeing my doctor, Bruce,

658
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: the acupuncturist, we talk about the other organs that are

659
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: getting inflame during the period and the way in which

660
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: the uterus in flames can kind of impact a neighboring

661
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: organ sense, a neighboring tissue. And so when we say

662
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: listen to your body, really tune into that what's going on.

663
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Always be an advocate for yourself because even myself, even

664
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: as a trainer, I'm looking for the feedback and that

665
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: communication from you. How does this thk? Exactly the first

666
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: thing we said, I asked you in the morning, how's

667
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: your body feel today?

668
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: You do? And that Yeah, I used to push through

669
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: that too much, and then what it ended up feeling

670
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: like was okay. So the way I notice whether the

671
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: workouts are good for me or not is I work

672
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: out early in the morning. I love doing that, but

673
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: then how am I feeling for the rest of the

674
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: day after it? And so one of my questions is

675
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: for you, I would I train on an empty stomach?

676
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: That's my number one, my first question. And then it's

677
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: going to lead on to what are you supposed to

678
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: eat after your workout? Like what are the key nutrients?

679
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: Because I end up coming them yeah everything. Yeah, I

680
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: end up coming home and having my protein shake. And

681
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: whenever I train heavy, what I find is by the afternoon,

682
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: if I only have my protein shake, I am.

683
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Feeling like not surprised. It's a perfect opportunity to get

684
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: some carbohydrates.

685
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: Exactly, So I want to know. Okay, so should you

686
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: train on an empty stomach?

687
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I always say it depends depends on what time you're training,

688
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: It depends on your system, and it depends on the

689
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: type of training that you're doing. It depends on the

690
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: type of results that you want. We can do fasted

691
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, fasted workouts. Fasted cardio is you know, often

692
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: a really great tactic for those wanting to lose fat.

693
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it unless it's being recommended to you

694
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: by a professional. You should be doing it there are

695
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: It's not just simply yeah, do fasted cardio. It's really easy.

696
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if Jay trains on empty stomach, he feels horrible,

697
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: like he gets like acid build up. It's just he

698
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: gets too much heat in his body. For him, he

699
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: has to ground himself before he goes to train, or

700
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: you will literally vomit.

701
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I say, it really depends on you and

702
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: how you feel. If you're the type of person that

703
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: feels that they don't perform well on an empty stomach,

704
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: half a banana, a yogurt. If you're a type of

705
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: person that's sensitive to blood sugar level spikes, then go

706
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Speaker 1: for something like yogurt. If you're fine when it comes

707
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: to carbohydrates, aim for like half a banana.

708
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: What source you have before you try it?

709
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: It does. It's completely and utterly personal, and I think

710
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: your body will tell you exactly what it likes.

711
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. I kept trying to push myself to

712
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: be like, no, I should just have my poty shake afterwards.

713
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: I should just do that. And what I realized in

714
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: the past couple of days, I've been trying to have

715
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Speaker 2: a bit more carbohydrate in it, and I'm like, oh,

716
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: now I feel like I can live my life absolutely.

717
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Speaker 1: And you know, post workout, you should be having carbohydrates

718
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: at every meal. The amount of carbohydrate that you have

719
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: depends on what your goal is, and so what I

720
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Speaker 1: typically do for me personally is I'll look at my

721
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: carbohydrate allowance based on my goal, and I might split

722
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: it between two meals or one meal, or even three meals.

723
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: And so especially post workout, your body's just burn a

724
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: ton of calories. It's probably still burning depending on you know,

725
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: the level of activity you've just done and how quick

726
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: you're getting your fuel back in. But that's a prime

727
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to get some carbohydrates in refuel the muscles. It

728
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: will allow your body to kind of reset for the

729
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: rest of the day. If you're just giving it protein,

730
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: then it's still searching around and it's going to start

731
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: to potentially break down and go into a catabolic state.

732
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: Break down your muscle and use it for fuel.

733
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Speaker 2: So what are you eating when you after a workout?

734
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Speaker 1: Good questions. So post workout for me is like just

735
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: a lunch time. Typically I normally finish up at the

736
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: gym at about twelve and get back and eat around one.

737
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: So first and foremost my meal is always consistent of

738
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Speaker 1: animal protein. And typically these days, because I suffer with

739
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: alsative colitis, I found that chicken and fish really work

740
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: for me. Every now and then I'll eat red meat

741
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: and that tends to sometimes have an adverse effect on

742
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: my gut health. So chicken and fish might be white

743
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: right or brown rice. I typically don't go crazy because

744
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: I tend I'm very sensitive to carbohydrates, so my blood

745
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: sugar levels spike then crash, which is why I always

746
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: schedule nap time at one to two. Yeah, every single day,

747
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: you won't hear from you. You don't text me, I'm

748
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: not here.

749
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, she's not joking. She literally has

750
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Speaker 2: a schedule in that time.

751
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Speaker 1: I'm one as a person who wakes up up five.

752
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm allowed it, you are. And then some form of greens.

753
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing about the greens is for me,

754
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: my stomach has not been digesting greens particularly well. And

755
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: so for the longest time, like last year, in the

756
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: pursuit of my own health and wellness, I literally had

757
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: chicken and mashed potato for a month.

758
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: Did you Yeah, and it's according to your gut, But

759
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: would you say, would you say, generally it's protein heavy

760
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: carbohydrate in there too, and then a mix of you know,

761
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: it's almost a balanced meal.

762
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: But protein carbohydrate light to moderate. Yeah, and then I

763
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: would say a moderate amount of veg greens.

764
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like.

765
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: A good balance. Yeah, it absolutely is.

766
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: And then predominant in one area absolutely.

767
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: And then in the mornings, because I wake up at

768
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Speaker 1: five am, I have my protein shake at eight am

769
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: when i'm you know, in the gym serving clients, And

770
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: that's a really great liner for me. Yeah, Like I'm like, okay,

771
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I got a portion of proteining, so you can have

772
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: it before your workout. Absolutely. Yeah. So I typically and

773
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I have it because I know that my body needs

774
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: a certain amount of protein in my day in order

775
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: to maintain my muscle mass. I also have it because again,

776
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: too much carbohydrate makes my blood sugar level spike. By

777
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: the time I get to my ten o'clock client, I'm rash. Yeah.

778
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: So starting the day with a protein shake, which is

779
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, mine has an absolute minimum amount of carbohydrating.

780
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I think like two or three grams keeps my blood

781
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: sugar super stable.

782
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: Actually helps the cravings, doesn't it.

783
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: One If I start my day with a sweet breakfast

784
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: pancakes or whatever, then I'm all out, well done.

785
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm done for the rest of the day. I'm like

786
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm give.

787
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: Me everything absolutely, and my blood sugar is all over

788
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: the place. I'm crashing. Like your body will tell you

789
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: the story if you if you, you know, are silent

790
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: enough to listen.

791
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really think being more intue. I think we're

792
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: all so disconnected from our bodies by all the noise

793
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: that we hear about what we should and shouldn't be doing.

794
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: That if you actually listen and hear when you are eating,

795
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: notice what your body's doing right, Like I ate this,

796
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: how does my body feel? Two hours later? I ate

797
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: this now? How does my body feel now? And I

798
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: think it's something that we're so used to hearing from

799
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: everyone else what we want to eat, what we should eat,

800
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: what we shouldn't eat, what we should be doing, shouldn't

801
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: be doing. And honestly, you can build You can actually

802
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: take your health from actually being somewhat good to being

803
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: absolutely horrible, just by listening to what other people are

804
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: doing and applying it to your life without noticing what

805
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: is my body saying to me.

806
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: For get health, Your whole lifestyle can become horrible. The

807
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: way you think, the way you feel, all of those

808
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: things I think we absorb from our environment around us.

809
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the things I was going to say,

810
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: kale kale, Oh my god, kale. I can't stand kale.

811
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: Digest it right, no, my body does not like it.

812
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: But everyone's on a kale hip, kale, this, kale that,

813
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how many of us really can digest

814
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: just feel and feel good about it?

815
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: The only way I found that I can, and I agree,

816
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: like my stomach generally with greens has been quite like it.

817
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: My stomach has a good like digestified, like it can

818
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: digest solid, but when it comes to like raw salads,

819
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: if I end up having weeks, I was doing like

820
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: a cleans where I was having a lot of raw

821
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: food recently, and even though my mind I was like,

822
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: this is good for me, this is good for me.

823
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: I can do this, this is good for me. Every

824
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: single day my digestion was completely what it used to

825
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: be and my digest used to be great. But I

826
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's fine, Like this is what's salad

827
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: does to my stomach, and this is what it's supposed

828
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: to do. But honestly, cruciferous vegetables when they're not cooked down,

829
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: especially by the way, if you're having raw kale salads.

830
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: It takes a seriously strong gut to digest that and

831
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: actually get the vitamins out of it. Instead, have cooked salads,

832
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: like if you're going to be having salads or vegetables

833
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: or leaves like that, the best way to help with

834
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: the digestion of it is adding fact to it, cooking

835
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: it in something sorteining it. It helps imagine it this way,

836
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: you're basically breaking it down before it before it enters

837
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: your stomach. You're doing the work for it. And in

838
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: the same way, you could also like have it in

839
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: a soup form if you want to, if you want

840
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: to get the vitamins that you want, try and create

841
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: it in a way that is already par digested outside

842
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: of your stomach, so your stomach has to do less

843
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: of the work and therefore is able to do what

844
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: it's supposed to, which is absorbing and appreciating the nutrients

845
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: from it. So kale yeah is probably a kale no

846
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: for most baby Kale no, I really want to talk

847
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: to you about. Obviously, body positivity. It's like a term

848
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: that we hear all the time, and when I say like,

849
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: I totally I in my mind, body positivity is appreciating

850
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: and accepting everybody's body for what it is, absolutely what

851
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: I feel like it is not though, is regardless of

852
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: your shape or your size. Promoting a diet which is

853
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: rich in fast food foods that are going to give

854
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: you heart disease, going to give you diabetes, that are

855
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: going to contribute to your health declining. What I think

856
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: has happened, and I would love to hear your thoughts

857
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: on this is we have blurred the lines between again

858
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: like healthy looks like and by the way, by healthy

859
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: looks like, I mean what you're eating, what you're feeding,

860
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: your mind, your body, what you're doing in your day.

861
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: That for me is health versus how someone looks. And

862
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: what people are being criticized for now is let's say

863
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: you are someone who maybe wants to lose some weight.

864
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: You are someone who wants to start eating healthy, are

865
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: someone who wants to start exercising. Yeah, you do all

866
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: those things, and naturally that leads to a weight loss.

867
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: People are now being judged for actually losing losing weight

868
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: and for creating and let's say, let's say the weight

869
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: loss was even just a side like a side thing

870
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 2: to the change of lifestyle. People are worried to even

871
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: be in a position to say, oh, like, I'm so

872
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: proud of myself that I lost this amount of weight,

873
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: So like how like, yeah, what's your thoughts on it?

874
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: Because I go back and forth with this and I'm like,

875
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: this is.

876
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: So many thoughts, so many honestly for me, Like, I

877
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: feel like the body positivity movement is dead. I think

878
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: we can talk about body inclusivity all day long. Yeah,

879
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: we're here for it. We know exactly what that means,

880
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: like the change of terminology, we know exactly what that means,

881
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: body inclusivity for all. And I think that we're all

882
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: a proponent for that. I don't think you know, I

883
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: think that we That to me is like yes, like

884
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: because that is just pure acceptance exactly of who you

885
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: are in any given moment. It's lack of judgment completely.

886
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: Let's all just be less judgmental people and accept people

887
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: for who.

888
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: They are one percent. Now, if we want to have

889
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: a conversation about health, that's a completely different conversation. And

890
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: I think that we've been able to cover the conversation

891
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: about health and mask it, and weirdly it's been kind

892
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: of like wrapped up in the body positivity movement. And

893
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we need to actually open and break

894
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: down the barrier about talking about health again, and more

895
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: importantly women's health. And the reason I say that is

896
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: because in the US, we women have the worst statistics.

897
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: We have the highest rates of type two diabetes and

898
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: heart disease. It's us, So you know, we have to

899
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: break down the barriers and start talking about it the

900
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: way we feel about ourselves, you know, physically, emotionally, mentally.

901
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: There are so many things that encompass our health in general.

902
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: And if we can't include the conversation about fat loss,

903
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: let's call it for what it is. I hate the

904
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: term weight loss because to me, weight loss is not

905
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: even a real thing. I could go to the restroom

906
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: and lose weight. Yeah, that's so true. But I think

907
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: what we have to do is start having conversations that,

908
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: like you said, that are free of judgment.

909
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually seeing it for what it is, right.

910
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: Free of judgment and full of education, because I think,

911
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, we are in a place where this is

912
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, for me in my personal journey, you know,

913
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: coaching women on a daily basis, I want all women

914
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: to be at their most healthful. I want all women

915
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to be able to live a long,

916
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: fulfilling and sustainable, healthy life. And I want them to

917
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: have the education that enables them to pass that information

918
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: onto their daughters. And what does that mean? That means

919
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: not being at either end of the spectrum in terms

920
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: of extremes. That means not being undernourished, and that means

921
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: not being overnourished. If we're talking purely about nutrition, that

922
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: means not being over anxious, not being under anxious, have

923
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: some feeling, I have some emotion, and you know, it

924
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: means really being able to find an optimal balance and

925
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: helping one another as a community to get to a

926
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: healthy media through conversation and through education. And so one

927
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: of the things that's been really interesting special with social media.

928
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: One of the things we've noticed, particularly on our pages,

929
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: the posting of transformational results is very controversial and that

930
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: really saddens me. And it saddens me because I think

931
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: we can look at a transformational result a before and

932
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: after picture, and I feel like people make a judgment

933
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: as to that person's life, lifestyle and what they want.

934
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: So they might see a person who has lost fat

935
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: and see that as a really negative thing and a

936
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: lot of the time, it's more about projection. How does

937
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: that person losing fat make you feel? And if it

938
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: makes you feel uncomfortable, then there's something to be exploded there. Yeah,

939
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: and that's not to say that there's something wrong with you.

940
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: There's something to be explored there. In terms of a conversation,

941
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: why does somebody else's physical journey make you feel positive

942
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: or negative? You know, so for some people it makes

943
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: you feel really inspired. Why does it make you feel inspired?

944
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: Is it something you want to be doing for yourself

945
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: that you're not currently doing it makes you feel If

946
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: it makes you feel triggered, why does it make you

947
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: feel triggered? Is it something for yourself that you want

948
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: to be doing? You know, those questions could often be

949
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: super interchangeable. But I think we should get out of

950
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: people's diet programs and nutritional plans and training plans and

951
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: really bring home our feelings about ourselves and start to

952
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: ask those feelings of ourselves. And more importantly, as I think,

953
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, coaches and practitioners, we need to be the

954
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: ones to lead the charge and be like, I'm quite

955
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: happy talking about fat loss all day long.

956
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: And which I think you do so well at your gym,

957
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: and like, by the way, when you walk into lose gym,

958
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: there is everybody from every like we are all different

959
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: in so many different all athletes but so different like

960
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: in every single.

961
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Way, with so many different goals, with so.

962
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Many different goals, and the way that you train us

963
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: is like, is so encouraging to embrace who we are,

964
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: And I think that is the point of training, right,

965
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: It's like, let's embrace who you are and get you

966
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: to an optimal level. But I do think that with

967
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: a lot of these with on like especially with online stuff,

968
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: we celebrate a lot of like let's say cheat days, right,

969
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to call them that anymore because I

970
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: just want it to be something where I'm eating a

971
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: little bit of something that I really love, but also

972
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: knowing that if you constantly eat things that are not

973
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: good for you, it's gonna have a not good for

974
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: you effect, like to simplify it. And so yes, there

975
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: may be times where I absolutely love pizzas and burgers

976
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: and deep fried food. And by the way, we of

977
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: course we love fries, but be aware that, yes, we

978
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: can celebrate having those cheat days in inverted commas. But

979
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: I always have the thing of like cheat days, you're

980
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: just cheating yourself. And you have to realize that when

981
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: you're eating those foods, it's not about not having them,

982
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: it's about knowing what effect they're having on your body.

983
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: And so if you're having foods which don't have nutrients

984
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: in them, and you're having them once in a while,

985
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: of course indulge have that, know that that's going to

986
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: be at that time in your life, or you're having

987
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: that once a week, or you know, like just like

988
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: you would schedule how much you're drinking, or if you smoke,

989
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: how much you're gonna smoke. All the things that we

990
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: know have negative effects on our body. But when it

991
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: comes to food, like I can relate to this. Food

992
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: is my indulgence. I don't do anything else. It's the

993
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: place where I find comfort and like where I feel

994
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: like if I have a bad day, if I have

995
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: a good day, it's my turn to it. I will

996
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: turn to food. But now I realize that when I

997
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: am indulging in those foods that aren't great for me,

998
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: it makes me feel not great. So actually a cheat

999
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: day isn't a happy day for you. It's a day

1000
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: where you're eating the foods which you are craving, but

1001
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: not necessarily that your body needs. And I think we

1002
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: really have to change our mindset around that, because yes,

1003
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: we can celebrate and we can have a good time,

1004
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: but just know that if if your diet predominantly is

1005
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: built up of these foods which are dormant and lack life,

1006
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: then your body is going to be dormant and lack

1007
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: life also. And I think that's again has been intertwined

1008
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: into this body positivity movement of like, let's sit here

1009
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: and eat lots of food that's not good for us,

1010
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: and that celebrate it, but actually, why don't we eat

1011
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: abundance of all the food that's great for us and

1012
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: not judge each other on how much of that we're

1013
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: having and see how we feel, yeah, and see how

1014
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: that elevates us. And so yeah, I just I find

1015
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: that that's so interesting. But I really appreciate how open

1016
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: and honest you are about the fat loss and and

1017
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: how you just shared it with us, because I think

1018
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: that's a good perspective for people to know and and

1019
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: just not to like so easy to judge people online.

1020
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: What if that person who had that incredible transformation has

1021
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: changed their entire life for it to be that way

1022
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: of dedication consistency. You have to all the things that

1023
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: they've learned, you have to docess.

1024
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that people dismiss when it

1025
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: comes to a physical transformation is the fact that this

1026
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: requires humongous, humongous lifestyle change and humongous habit change, and

1027
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: that means really advocating for themselves and what they want

1028
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: in their lives. And this is something that I hope

1029
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: everybody reaches a certain point. And as you were saying that,

1030
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: I was like, this is, you know, a really interesting

1031
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: conversation because for me personally as a coach, I genuinely

1032
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: have zero judgment. If you turn around and tell me,

1033
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: If you turn around and tell me you've got a goal, great,

1034
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: let's go get that goal. Here's what it takes. And

1035
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: so what I find when it comes to people who

1036
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: have goals is you either you don't have the knowledge

1037
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: to know how to get to the goal. You're either

1038
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: not accepting of what it takes to get to the goal,

1039
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: or you don't have the tools. And so I think

1040
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: that a lot of the time where we get stuck

1041
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: is in the acceptance of what needs to be done.

1042
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: So when we're talking about those transformational pictures, that person

1043
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: has accepted the journey and accepted the undertaking of the sacrifice,

1044
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: the daily lifestyle change, perhaps changing the way that they,

1045
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, literally live their whole lives in order to

1046
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: better improve themselves. And the other thing that we don't

1047
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: see out of those transformational pictures is the thing the

1048
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: reason that took me into personal training and opening at

1049
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: a gym and working with women in the first place

1050
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: is because when you really start to advocate for yourself physically,

1051
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the way that that's tanging, the way that it translates

1052
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: into your life, it really changes the way you view yourself,

1053
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: what you ask for the salary, the way that you

1054
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: fight for yourself. You know, one of my clients, you know,

1055
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: we've gone through probably a couple of years of training

1056
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: and she's had a number of contracts to negotiate. She said,

1057
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been able to do this without

1058
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: the training. It's made me stronger person. And why because

1059
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: you are exercizing that muscle every single day, every time,

1060
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: you're pushing for yourself, every time, you're running for yourself.

1061
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: So when it comes to the point where you're faced

1062
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: with somebody in a room that's trying to tell you

1063
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: that you're worth less than your worth. Guess what, I've

1064
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: been exercising like this for the past three four months.

1065
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: You can't tell me anything.

1066
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: How you perform in one area of your life. It

1067
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: really seeps through to every area of your life completely.

1068
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: I feel so much more confident, Like even with boxing,

1069
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: even with training, I'm like, I feel so much more

1070
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: confident as a human because of seeing that strength and

1071
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: that ability and mobility in my body. Like it just

1072
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: it does. It creates this like a you know, when

1073
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: you succeed at one thing, you have this belief then

1074
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: that you can succeed at other things.

1075
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the word cheat day, and it's really

1076
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: interesting because the way I look at kind of cheating

1077
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: is to really not accept the work. And so if

1078
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: you think about that in so many different aspects of

1079
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: the word to cheat. So you know, in your relationship,

1080
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: if you cheat, you're not accepting the work that it

1081
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: takes to fix your relationship. In eating or whatever, nutrition,

1082
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: a cheat day, you're not accepting the job that it

1083
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: takes and the work that it takes for you to

1084
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: stay you know, on track with your diet. If you

1085
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: think about you know the things that we've been talking

1086
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: about recently in terms of weight loss or fat loss,

1087
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: o zen pic diet pills, cheating your way to a

1088
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: result that you haven't earned. And by the way, it

1089
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily feel good.

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00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: No end up being difficult for people to see because

1091
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: because of the negative ways that it's been done, you

1092
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: automatically people already have this judgment that they could have

1093
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: done it through this way. You know. I think that

1094
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: that kind of ruins that it doesn't You don't see

1095
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: the progress or the journey. You see the this and

1096
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: then the this.

1097
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: We see the end result. Yeah, and the end result

1098
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: really doesn't paint half the picture. And so when I

1099
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: see online people or if there are negative comments when

1100
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: I post other people's transformations, I personally ignore them. But

1101
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to see people not congratulating people for change,

1102
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: because if that were not a weight loss gull or

1103
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: a fat loss goual imaginet imagine I was posting a

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00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: picture of myself and a gold medal, and I said,

1105
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: I ran, you know, half a second faster, well done,

1106
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: well done, We fully support you. Well, why is it

1107
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: that we support people in other areas of their success,

1108
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: but seeing those transformational physical transformational results are so triggering,

1109
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: they're completely internalized, and as you know, as a community,

1110
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: we have to stop doing that. It has to stop.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree, and I also think when it comes

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00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: to like cheat meals, it just reminded me that what

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00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: I've now learned to do, because I still love eating

1114
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: so much of the foods that you know that I

1115
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: enjoyed and really found comfort in, I've now realized that

1116
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: it can be everything. You can still have everything, but

1117
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: you just need to know how much of it to

1118
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: have at that time. Like a cheat meal doesn't need

1119
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 2: to become like this cheat day where you're like, I'm

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00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: gonna eat a whole cake, I'm gonna eat a whole pizza,

1121
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna go like, by the way, I'm

1122
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: saying this because I used to do this, I used

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna eat really good

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00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: all week. Now I'm gonna have one night where I

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00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: just go in. And what it made me realize was like,

1126
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: but why can't I enjoy this still with with like

1127
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: knowing my limits versus feeling like this is a day

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00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: I get to just indulge. I can indulge, but why

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00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: not do it to a place where my body still

1130
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: feels happy about it and still feels like I've had this.

1131
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: So now, yes, I would still like to have a

1132
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: slice of pizza, and I woud still like to have that,

1133
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: but let me also supplement it with some salad good

1134
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: for something else, you know, I think I think there

1135
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: has to still be you can still have boundaries while

1136
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: still indulging in enjoying.

1137
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't call it a cheat day.

1138
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: I just call it a day a day, fri day day.

1139
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1140
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: I have some questions that I asked on what they

1141
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: would want to ask expert fitness trainer, and there were

1142
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: some questions. So there's going to be like a rapid

1143
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: round that I wanted to ask you.

1144
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's go.

1145
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: How do you start running and enjoy it?

1146
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: Run? Love that? Can working out.

1147
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: Get rid of cellul like?

1148
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Yes?

1149
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Do ab workouts get you abs?

1150
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Not necessarily good?

1151
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Can you build muscle and lose weight at the same

1152
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: time if you're really smart? How to get thig thighs

1153
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: in a small way?

1154
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Hey, someone tell me tell me.

1155
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: How to build up and do real push ups?

1156
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: Oh progression?

1157
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've been doing that. Should I take protein

1158
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: shakes even on the days that I don't do weight absolutely, yes,

1159
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: because your body needs protein and you tell me it

1160
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: does not store protein.

1161
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Protein's essential like unlike fat and carbohydrates. Our body needs

1162
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: because it can't generate, it can't make, it can't store it,

1163
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: so it needs to be plenished every single day.

1164
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: Yes. I used to be scared of that. Actually, I

1165
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: used to be like, no, I can't take protein shakes

1166
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: today because I didn't work out, and I realized I

1167
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: was doing myself a big disservice by doing that. Does

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00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: it matter where I get protein from, for example, if

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00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: it's from a shake. If I was getting all my

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: protein intake just from a shake versus getting it from

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00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: other sources.

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00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: Whole foods are best. Yes, So whole foods first, then supplements.

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00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, what are these workouts best for? One word answers

1174
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: pilass conditioning, boxing, aggression, running, or cardio. I want to

1175
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: say mindfulness, yoga, alignment, wait training, stroke, feast mode, hit

1176
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 2: like Barry's boot Camp, and stuff sweat sweat. So okay,

1177
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: thank you saying my far answering all those fitness questions.

1178
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: I feel like that's been going to be so useful

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: for so many especially women out there. I want to

1180
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: go on too, because even though she's a fitness expert,

1181
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: I she's also one of the most driven and beastly

1182
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: women that I have ever met in my life. Like,

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: there is no goal that she will not achieve. There

1184
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 2: is nothing that she will not do to actually reach

1185
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: that goal. And I personally have noticed that you will

1186
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: sacrifice and be okay with the graph that it takes

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00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: to get to places. And I've watched you do that

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00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: over the years and it's something I admire about you

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00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: so much. What are some of the sacrifices that you

1190
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: have seen and had to make to make your dreams happen?

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: All of them, I would say, first and foremost financial sacrifices.

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00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: You know, as a track athlete. I was chatting to

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Speaker 1: my friend, I'm going to go for it, chatting to

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: my friend the other day. She's a billionairess, but she

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: will never tell you that. And you know, we had

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: a conversation about values and for me, my you know,

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: being an athlete, like I never went into track and

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00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: field to be an Olympian. Being an olympian or the

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: desire to be an Olympian was never born out of

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Speaker 1: this idea of earning a ton of money. It was

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: born out of wanting to be the best that I

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: could be. Deep down in my heart of hearts, I

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01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: knew I was an athlete. It was just in me

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: from the get go, and I wanted to be the

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01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: best athlete I could be. And so for me, you know,

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: the idea that I was never going to make a

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: penny until my late twenties was not the thing. It

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: was the fire and the fuel of can I get faster,

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Speaker 1: Can I jump higher? Can I make it to the

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01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: London twenty twelve Olympics? Can I get that gold medal?

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Speaker 1: And it was the idea of constantly challenging myself every

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: single day and the pursuit of something. And you know,

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: we talk about purpose all the time in the House

1214
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: of Shetty, and there's something just very very beautiful, very

1215
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: grounding about knowing what your purpose is. And that's not

1216
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: to say that your purpose stays the same. My purpose

1217
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: is not the same as it was when I was

1218
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: an athlete. It's very much changed. But I carry with

1219
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: me those same values and the same application of if

1220
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: I do this thing consistently, day in day out, it

1221
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: will reap the result that I want and the results

1222
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: that I want out of my life and out of

1223
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: my career are not financial. They're in service of others.

1224
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: And you know, the reason I share and build the

1225
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: programs that I do in the app and the gym

1226
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: is so that I can serve more women and so

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: that more women have the access to the information that

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: I had when I had the privilege of being an

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Speaker 1: Olympic athlete, you know, because I had access to top coaches,

1230
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: top nutritionists. But you know, Jane over here in the

1231
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere doesn't have that. How can I share

1232
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: the knowledge and the privilege that I've experienced as being

1233
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: one of the best athletes on this planet, And how

1234
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: can I make the next lady or the next woman

1235
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: feel the way that I've felt, Because as far as

1236
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, everybody should feel that empowered and feel like

1237
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: a superhero because it could be any one of us

1238
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: that stands on the podium.

1239
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've seen you know, over the years,

1240
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: how long have we known each other?

1241
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: How many years has it been. I've lived in about

1242
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen, I must have. Yeah, twenty nineteen I

1243
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: started the gym.

1244
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like I've known you for a really

1245
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: long time, but it's been at least four years, and

1246
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: from the moment I met her, I've just seen you.

1247
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, when I say sacrifice, it like

1248
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: it never feels like a sacrifice when I'm around you,

1249
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: Like she never ever treats it as if I've had

1250
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: to do this, I've had to like move, Like I

1251
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: remember there was a time where you were living in your.

1252
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: Gym, living in the gym.

1253
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: And for me, when I saw that, I was like,

1254
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: this is honestly, and by the way, I'm sure you like,

1255
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know whether it was whether you could

1256
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: afford to be somewhere else or not. I couldn't be

1257
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: afford to be anyone else. And she ended up sacrificing

1258
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: her living comforts and what she was, you know, what

1259
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: she was used to actually live at the gym and

1260
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: be there and commit to her goals.

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: And I thought, like, the question is it depends what

1262
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: you're used to. Yeah, And so I think that that's

1263
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: the key for me, living in the gym as a

1264
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: no brainer, Yeah, And it was what needed was needed

1265
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: to be done in order for me to have so

1266
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: many other things, Yeah, to be autonomous, to be able

1267
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: to build a business. And so I saw living in

1268
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: the gym amongst the weight back and all of that

1269
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: stuff a privilege.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, it's how you saw it. And I see

1271
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: that in you all the time. It's how you see things.

1272
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Speaker 2: You are so good at noticing where to be grateful,

1273
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: how to turn a situation where usually you can sit

1274
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: in it and be sad about it or see all

1275
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: the things that are wrong with it, But I never

1276
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: see you do that. Everything is like an opportunity, Everything

1277
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: is part of the plan, Everything is something to be

1278
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: grateful for. And I think that mindset is so I mean,

1279
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: you came to LA and you've done this by yourself,

1280
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 2: Like you literally have done this by myself. From the UK,

1281
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: you moved here, you did this, and I'm like, you know,

1282
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: it takes so much like to become what you are now.

1283
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would always like the idea I think that

1284
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: we do things by ourselves is really just a fallacy.

1285
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: I think we're just an accumulation of multiple people and

1286
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: multiple events. And you know, I started my gym and

1287
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: I received support and funding, and I wouldn't have it

1288
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't exist, and I wouldn't have been able to move

1289
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: in and so you know, there's that appreciation I think

1290
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: comes from really valuing what others in our community do

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Speaker 1: for us. And so that's what I really never take

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Speaker 1: for granted. And so even when I look back at

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01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: my Commonwealth Gold Medal, there's a part of it that's mine,

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01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: but there's a part of it that is somebody else's.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's so many different people that go

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01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: into making of that medal. And so I think to

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: live a life of like done this by myself, absolutely,

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: then that's a lonely ass life.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I think what you just said is the

1300
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: genuine key to happy success, because you can be successful,

1301
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: and you can be successful, you could be on the top.

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: You can feel that I did this all by myself.

1303
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: But when you're able to acknowledge the support system, the

1304
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: people that you are offering it back to that were

1305
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: part of the journey, I think that that is when

1306
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: you get to the top, or you get to where

1307
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,959
Speaker 2: you want it to be, and you can look back

1308
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: and be like, this was an incredible journey, filled with

1309
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: incredible people, filled with incredible experiences. And I think when

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: you do try and do things by yourself, you really

1311
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: miss out on like what success is actually supposed to

1312
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: feel like when you want to do it by stuff,

1313
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: when you're like I want to be the only person

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01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: that's part of this journey. I don't think you really

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: get to where you want to be that way.

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Speaker 1: Hell no, we're human beings. We're meant to exist in

1317
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: the community and also in relationship to one another. There's

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: so much more growth and so much more learning. And

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01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, I say to anybody who wants to achieve

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: anything with that and they have, if they have a

1321
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: lofty goal, then you need to surround yourself with some

1322
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: good people people and the people that clap for you, yeah,

1323
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: and the people that cheer you on, the people that

1324
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: support you any anyway. It doesn't matter what your dream is,

1325
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: you'll know those people will make it known and they'll

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Speaker 1: come forward for you.

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Speaker 2: But I think also you having the energy that you do,

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: like when you put that out like you've always been

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01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: that person. You cheer me on with anything that I'm doing,

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: You support me with anything that I'm doing. You will

1331
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: give honest feedback with anything that I'm doing. And I

1332
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: think when you end up being that person, you will

1333
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 2: end up attracting it. So instead of waiting, by the way,

1334
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: for that person, for those people to come to you.

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01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: Lou attracts those people because she is that person through

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01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: and through, Like there is every single time she comes

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: to any event or anything, anytime that I even walk

1338
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: into the gym, which by the way, she has to

1339
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: deal with me a minimum of three times a week.

1340
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: But she has the same energy, the same enthusiasm for

1341
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: the past four years that I have known her every

1342
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: single day to give that out to people. So naturally,

1343
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: by you even choosing to do that, you have been

1344
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: able to like attract that in your life. It's such

1345
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: a I feel like that's just part of the world's nature,

1346
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: Like you give. Whatever you're giving out to people is

1347
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: genuinely what you receive back. And I really see that

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: with you the people that you attracted that gym. No

1349
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: gym is like that. Like the type of people that

1350
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: come into that gym is like everyone has this mutual vibration.

1351
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, you don't need the gym to

1352
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: do that. You can create that in your own life

1353
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: in any capacity, could be just two or three people,

1354
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: but you have to start doing it yourself to get

1355
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: that back.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the beautiful things that runs as

1357
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: a vein through the gym is honesty. Yeah, you know,

1358
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: I think if I think about all of the people.

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: And that's hard to do, by the way, walking into

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: a room with your trainer to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, And you know that we talked about non

1362
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: judgment and it's you know, it's a beautiful place because

1363
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: I think that there's just like there's a no bullshit

1364
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: approach to life from what we do. And everybody is

1365
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: extremely simple and that's not to say that simple, but

1366
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: we live complicated lives and ultimately, you know, when I

1367
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: look around the gym and I look at the people

1368
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: in there that you know, come and see us every

1369
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: day and we get to like cry with and laugh with.

1370
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: This morning at the gym, just by the way, that

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01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: was probably.

1372
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: I think the first time you've ever cried.

1373
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think close to it, but today I really did.

1374
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: And I honestly think it's the space that you just

1375
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: hold that I feel like everyone comes there with their

1376
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 2: heart like ready to be.

1377
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: Seen, absolutely and quite rightly, like it's not you know,

1378
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: we talk about like muscle strength, but the reality of

1379
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: it is you should feel fortified in the places where

1380
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: you choose to spend your time. You should feel loved,

1381
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: you should feel accepted, you should feel greeted. It should

1382
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: feel warm, you should feel like you have a place

1383
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: and a sense of belonging there. And I think that's

1384
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: one of the different things about our space. And I think,

1385
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, when people talk about why I started like

1386
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: a female gym in Hollywood, and like, because I didn't

1387
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: see that anywhere. I'm not just coming into stick. Some

1388
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: booty bands on have a transaction in and out and go.

1389
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: Like our transactions, I feel like, are much.

1390
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: Deep, so meaningful, so much deep.

1391
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: In fact, it's not even like I don't even you know,

1392
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: transaction is a really cheap word, I think for what

1393
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: you get in our space, like, it's so much more

1394
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: than that. It's very deep relationship, deep care.

1395
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: And one place I really noticed that is Low's lost

1396
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: people that are very close to her in her life.

1397
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: And you went through last.

1398
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: Year, yeah year before the year before.

1399
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: Last, lou lost her mum. And it was just honestly

1400
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: watching someone go through something which is obviously probably the

1401
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: most traumatic thing we have to go through. And the

1402
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: way that you still showed up, I don't know, a

1403
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: couple of days later, maybe even yeah, I think it

1404
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: was a couple of days later you showed back up

1405
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: to that gym, and not only did you show up,

1406
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: you had the same energy that you always had and

1407
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't even like it didn't even feel you were

1408
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: masking anything. You just were that person giving back as

1409
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: you always do. And I really always wanted to ask

1410
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: you this, and I never have, but how did you

1411
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: move past that grief? And how did you turn your

1412
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: grief into being able to come back and serve? Like

1413
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: how do you refuel yourself in that way when something

1414
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: like that happens.

1415
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: I think the sad part of it, rareless is I've

1416
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: been there before and the loss of my father, so

1417
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: I think, you know, losing my mum was again a

1418
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: humongous shock and a humongous tragedy. And I remember she

1419
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: passed on the Friday, and I was back in the

1420
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: gym on the monday. Yeah, and you know, Eric and

1421
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: I were talking about picking up sessions and covering form

1422
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I actually don't need any coverage, I

1423
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: just want to get back in the gym. And we

1424
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: knew at that time, you know, there was we were

1425
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: going through our visa situation, our green card et cetera.

1426
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: And so I couldn't go back, I couldn't travel back

1427
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 1: for her funeral, and so there were so many things

1428
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: to overcome. But I remember when I walked into the

1429
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: gym that day and I'm just seeing everyone and like

1430
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: even now, like it obviously makes me feel emotional, but

1431
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: allowing everyone and I know you'll understand what I mean

1432
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: by this, but allowing everyone to show me with their

1433
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: love was the thing that got me through. And I

1434
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: think that we're probably the same in the sense that

1435
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: we love to give love, we love to be in

1436
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: control in that sad and so when life deals you

1437
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: like a really really rough blow. The thing that I

1438
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: learned during that time was you're going to have to

1439
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: surrender otherwise you're not going to survive this, like.

1440
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: Because normally you'd probably turn into a shell. Like I

1441
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: know that's me, Yeah, normally if I'm in a place where,

1442
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: like you're saying, you are so used to being that

1443
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 2: person that gives, which you are all the time. Yeah,

1444
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: And in that moment, you had a choice of hardening, yes,

1445
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: or you had a choice of softening into it.

1446
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: I did the hardening thing. I think when my dad

1447
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: pat and so you know, my dad passed in two

1448
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, and then my mom passed in twenty

1449
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: twenty one, so there was a long time and a

1450
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: long period of growth and in between losing both my parents,

1451
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: and I knew this time around that it was going

1452
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: to be very different, and I just felt like I

1453
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: had to surrender. I just felt like I had to

1454
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: let go of everything and just allow every single bit

1455
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: of support and not stop, to stop saying no, and

1456
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: to start saying yes. So can I make you something

1457
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: to eat? Yes? Can I help? Can I give you

1458
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 1: a hug? Yes? Like you know, we don't want to,

1459
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: we don't want to. No, come, like I had to actually,

1460
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: rather than push people away, let people in.

1461
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 2: That's so nice, isn't it weird how in grief that's

1462
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: what we usually end up doing. Like I was thinking

1463
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: about that too. Whenever I'm even now in my like

1464
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: smaller emotions, whenever I'm sad, whenever i'm whatever. Even this morning,

1465
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: when I was upset and you came to give me

1466
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: a hug, my first reaction was like, no, no, no, I'm fine,

1467
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: like I'm fine. I don't need it, like I'm fine.

1468
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 2: And I have noticed that so much that we tend

1469
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: to like create this guarder area when we're feeling our

1470
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: most vulnerable, when we're feeling almost sad or in our emotions,

1471
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: and actually what we really what we're really saying with

1472
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: that and what we really want in that moment is

1473
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 2: to surrender. We do want that, we want that hug.

1474
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: And I can remember, like I can remember waking up

1475
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: to the text messages that my mum had gone, and

1476
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: I can remember just like waking in the middle of

1477
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: the night and just screaming and Eric coming to hug me,

1478
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: and me pushing him away and being like no, and

1479
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: like literally just breaking down on the floor, And I

1480
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: remember like that feeling of just like complete helplessness, of

1481
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: complete breakdown. You know, in life, part of that growth

1482
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: is the being down and figuring out how to slowly

1483
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: get yourself back on your feet again. And so for me,

1484
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 1: that journey has been definitely a slow one. It's definitely

1485
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: stop me in my tracks in terms of what I

1486
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: want to be doing career wise, but in terms of,

1487
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: you know, emotionally and growth wise. I'm grateful to have

1488
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: experienced it with the people that I have around me,

1489
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: in the environment that I have created for myself, I'm

1490
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 1: just I just felt very grateful. I'm like, thank goodness,

1491
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm here right now with these people experiencing this, And.

1492
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: I do you think Like I was going to ask you, like,

1493
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: what do you think were the things that have helped

1494
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: you through your hardest moments? Like you know, what skills

1495
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: would you recommend? What types of things did you do?

1496
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: But just by you saying the words like just surrendering

1497
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: to what like to other people and allowing them in,

1498
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: I feel like so much of the healing comes from that.

1499
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: Because you can say you should see a therapist, you

1500
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: could journal, you can do all these things. But again

1501
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: that's yes, yeah, it's not actually it's not part of

1502
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: the experience that you have to put like get yourself through, right.

1503
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: You have to get through it. You can't sit in it.

1504
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 2: You can't. The whole process of that involves what you said,

1505
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: the surrender and allowing people to be in your life.

1506
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: And there's this weird sense and this feeling I think

1507
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: when my mom passed and also I felt the same

1508
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: thing when my father passed as well, and so I

1509
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: had a little bit of experience, and I knew that

1510
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: the discomfort and the grief and the sadness would be temporary,

1511
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: and then for me when it comes to grief, that

1512
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: sadness changes as it evolves into joy and remembrance and love.

1513
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: But there's this weird sense of fortification. And I don't

1514
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 1: know that I've heard anybody else speak about that and grief.

1515
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: And so for me, when I'm grieving, like, I felt

1516
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: the spirit of my mother in me, and I felt

1517
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: the same when my father died, and I just day

1518
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: by day felt stronger and stronger. And it's so weird,

1519
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether her spirit just came and

1520
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: zapped me and is like and now I find my

1521
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: self in the gym talking and telling people what to

1522
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: do all the time, mother, you know, And so there's

1523
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, spirit doesn't die, it just changes.

1524
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: For I think there was a part of me that

1525
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of knew that this would be part of my

1526
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: story in a really really sad and tragic story type

1527
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: of way, and so I knew that I would have

1528
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: that weight to bear at some point. I didn't realize

1529
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: it was going to come that quickly, and that to

1530
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: me is a huge shock. I thought that my mum

1531
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: would live to see my children, and you know, she

1532
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: hadn't been super ill things that you know, really were

1533
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: really quite sudden, and so yeah, I had.

1534
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: To reframe that, you know, to reframe that thought of

1535
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 2: what your expectations were to what they actually are. Like

1536
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: creating that new reality and not feeling like you're missing

1537
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: out on something that it happened in the way that

1538
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 2: it was supposed to happen, and to cut to terms

1539
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: with that can be such a difficult like what you're saying,

1540
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: like with your kids or you know, with things that

1541
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: we pass where we have this view of what it's

1542
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: going to be and then everything gets mothered up and

1543
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: everything changes and you're like, oh my gosh, I have

1544
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: to form a whole new almost memory. It's like a

1545
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: memory that hasn't happened, right, I have to form this

1546
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 2: whole new vision of what my life is going to be.

1547
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the place and immediately, like in the afternoon

1548
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: off of my losing my mum, I felt like an

1549
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: orphan and I was like, oh my goodness. I'm like,

1550
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: there's me and there's my two brothers and that's it.

1551
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: It's like we're the heads of the household. Now there

1552
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: isn't you know, we have a grandma, my dad's mum,

1553
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa, it's us. You've suddenly become the adults.

1554
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: But like, you know, mid thirties, and I'm like, okay,

1555
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: this feels really different and you have to adjust. It's like,

1556
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I think being the athlete understanding that

1557
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: you have to adjust, and you have to adjust quickly,

1558
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: and you have to you know, take action, and you

1559
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: have to be authoritative, and you have to be a leader.

1560
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: And one of the things actually that I recognized in

1561
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: my family dynamic was that we all assumed completely different roles.

1562
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: One person couldn't deal another one like you know, I've

1563
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: understood my role immediately as like the anchor and as

1564
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: a provider, and then another you know, my other brother

1565
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 1: was extremely good on the administrative status. I'm like, okay,

1566
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: we've got this. And weirdly, between the three of us,

1567
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, even though there were lots of dynamic family challenges,

1568
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: those challenges were there so that we would succeed. And

1569
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: then this weird, unfunctional, dysfunctional way that families were, it

1570
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: all weirdly works out. And so I have I don't

1571
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: know this not ability, but this this zoom, this lens

1572
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: allows me to zoom out from most situations and be like, oh,

1573
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: I see how it goes down.

1574
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, we have you always seem like you've got

1575
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: this peace amongst the chaos, even all that stuff was happening,

1576
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 2: I felt like, no matter what, you again that zoom.

1577
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: I see it in your calmness and in the way

1578
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 2: that you move through things, and it's just, yeah, it's

1579
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 2: it's incredible to and again I think it is. It's

1580
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 2: a weird thing, isn't it. Where the more you go

1581
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: through and the more you get through, the easier these things.

1582
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: So it's almost like you kind of have to go

1583
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: through these motions to then become this person that is

1584
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: really grounded and solid and neutral and doesn't get affected

1585
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: so much by the waves. But it takes sometimes going

1586
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: through the hardest parts of your life early to become

1587
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: that human. And now you're that person for so many people.

1588
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. But yeah, I think if you go

1589
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: through a lot, you learn how to navigate. Yeah, And

1590
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: so as you say, you can kind of maintain much

1591
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: more of an even keel. But I also think the

1592
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: more you do for yourself in terms of the more

1593
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: ownership you take of your life, the easier it becomes

1594
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: to navigate because everything is a pattern. We talked about,

1595
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff that you're going through today, and

1596
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like the reality of it is in life,

1597
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: people are very predictable. Life to a certain extent is

1598
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: extremely predictable. And so once you know what any given

1599
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: outcome is in a situation, you can decide the way

1600
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: in which you kind of approach it and with what

1601
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: level of aggression, integrity, emotion, investment. I think what level

1602
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: of investment you give to any situation. And so with

1603
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: regards to grief, for me, grief I've always seen is

1604
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: something that's temporary and it evolves into something that becomes forever,

1605
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: but it's more in remembrance.

1606
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: And I think that with you especially, I find that

1607
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: you really understand who you are. And I think one

1608
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: thing I've been about you is knowing your edge, knowing

1609
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: your boundaries, knowing how you need to refuel and when

1610
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: you need it. And I love that. Like lou Is

1611
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: getting married slash married and getting married again, getting married

1612
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: the purse, it's the same person. More on that later,

1613
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: but she still takes this time out for herself where

1614
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 2: she will book herself into a hotel. Yeah, and she

1615
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 2: will have her alone time, and I really briefly is

1616
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: the last thing I want to ask you, But like,

1617
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about that for a second,

1618
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: because I think it takes a lot, especially as a woman,

1619
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: to be like, I'm leaving this weekend to spend some

1620
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: time by myself, not because I don't love you, not

1621
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: because I don't care about you, not because I even

1622
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: don't love spending time with you, but because I need

1623
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: this for me.

1624
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: Have you done it before?

1625
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: I haven't. I get a lot of time by myself

1626
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: here though, to be honest, but I haven't done that.

1627
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: Why not?

1628
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I get a lot of alone time generally,

1629
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: especially here where like Jay goes away so much that

1630
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: I need to I need to do the checking into a

1631
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 2: hotel thing.

1632
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no cleaning today.

1633
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: It's way better. It's it's so nice that you do

1634
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 2: that for yourself. And how is that the way that

1635
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 2: you feel you refeel the best life? What do you

1636
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: use those times.

1637
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: For doing absolutely nothing or just doing the stuff that

1638
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: I want to do? Like, I think the way we

1639
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 1: show up, especially in our you know, in our relationships,

1640
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: is so important and so for me, and it's you know,

1641
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: even having conversations with Eric about this is how I

1642
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: like to spend my time. I need to retreat in

1643
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: order to come back stronger. I need to fill up

1644
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: my cup in this way. And you know, we had

1645
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: to have real conversations because in his mind he's like,

1646
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: away from me, Yeah, why don't you want me to come?

1647
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not running away. This is actually

1648
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:43,919
Speaker 1: for me also a creative thing. So for example, this weekend,

1649
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've booked myself a little trip and I'll

1650
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: go away and I'll write training plans and I'll work

1651
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: on the podcast and and just take a little bit

1652
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: of a breather. It gives me the opportunity to really

1653
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: tap into my creative side. So really, what I'm doing

1654
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: when I'm on a writer's retreat or away is I'm

1655
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: nurturing the creator in me. I love that, and that

1656
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: needs time space, silence, and also inspiration. And so sometimes

1657
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 1: that inspiration comes at like nine o'clock at night, when

1658
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Eric would much rather be watching television or whatever. And

1659
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: so I think it's very natural when you're, you know,

1660
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: in a loving relationship, to bend to suit somebody else's

1661
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of day and stuff like that. You naturally kind

1662
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: of merge and you become this one unit and so

1663
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: in separating, you get to really take a step back,

1664
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: not only to appreci your partner, appreciate yourself and honor

1665
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: yourself and the whole person that you are, and don't

1666
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: forget to nurture those things as well, without apology, without guilt. Yeah, zero,

1667
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: gil whatsoever.

1668
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: I love that you do. Then I hope that inspires

1669
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: so many of you to do the same thing. We're

1670
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: going to have all these all these women just checking

1671
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 2: into hotels by themselves.

1672
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: We should just do slowcation.

1673
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 2: Yes, we have to do that. Everyone actually needs to

1674
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: live in their life while they're doing that. I wanted

1675
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: to ask a final question, what is your go to

1676
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: emotional release?

1677
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Anger?

1678
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 2: Anger?

1679
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love that. This is so very because I

1680
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: knew you're going to ask me this. I was in

1681
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: the shower. I was just like, oh, I wonder you

1682
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: know emotionally how I deal And I'm like, no, it's anger.

1683
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: It's anger. Like we were talking literally literally about twenty

1684
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: four or forty eight hours ago, and I'm like, RADI,

1685
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how you deal with these things so calmly,

1686
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: because I would have slashed someone's tires by now. And

1687
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: the funny thing was, I was like, Yeah, my go

1688
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: to emotion is anger, and I was like, why is that?

1689
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't think I have a ton

1690
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: to be angry about. And I think anger is my

1691
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: default emotion because it's what I learned from my mother.

1692
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: I would say she was definitely the more angry of

1693
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: my parents. One. Yeah, and I think in her life

1694
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: she had a lot to be angry about a lot.

1695
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: And so it's really interesting when we talk about, you know,

1696
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: another time, general trauma and the way we inherit it

1697
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: and where do we learn those patterns that exist within us?

1698
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: And Eric's like, you know, you really really do have

1699
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: to look at those anger issues. I'm like, what anger issues?

1700
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? But yeah, my default emotion

1701
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: is anger. I think you know what you said earlier

1702
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: about me being in the gym and even keel is

1703
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: really really really accurate. The one emotion that I feel

1704
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with from time to time is anger. I don't

1705
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: get overly you know, overly anxious. I don't get overly sad. Yeah,

1706
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: but anger zero to ten and like quicker than a test.

1707
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 1: You do not want to be in lose bad books exactly.

1708
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: I have this thing that I do with the end

1709
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: of each episode, and it's even though crying is not

1710
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: your emotional go to, I want to ask, when you

1711
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: do cry, what type of cry are you? So there

1712
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: are six different types. Again, there's the loud, ugly cry.

1713
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: We all know what that's. They're breathless, which is this

1714
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: is so great, The sniffer and snotty, high pitched I'm

1715
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 2: not crying, you're crying. The one that's like something in

1716
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 2: my eye and pretends like nothing's happening.

1717
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: Because Eric's go too, is it really?

1718
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: Or the silent crier, where you basically just they run

1719
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 2: into a bathroom and you have no idea that they've cried.

1720
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 2: Which one would you say you are when you cry?

1721
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: When I cry, Oh gosh, made me cry, now, I

1722
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: would say that when I really balled. The ugly loud crier. No, No,

1723
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: when you do cry, it's like it's a thing. Honestly,

1724
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like, have I cried this year? I don't

1725
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: think I have what? Yeah, I don't think I've cried

1726
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: this year.

1727
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: I wish I knew what that felt like.

1728
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 1: I literally like this, it feels like like that I don't.

1729
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 2: Even know what it feels like. You're not crying a week?

1730
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh for so emotionally understated.

1731
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: It feels angry.

1732
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: And maybe I don't get angry as much. Maybe my

1733
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 2: my my anger is your anger for me? Is my crying?

1734
01:26:58,880 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? My god?

1735
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Okay if I and so she's the loud, ugly crier everyone,

1736
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: and I added the ugly part, but fine, she's the

1737
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 2: loud crier. Thanks so much for coming on and opening

1738
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: your heart and sharing all this. I really I was

1739
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: so excited to have you on. I think that there's

1740
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 2: just so much about you. We can have so many

1741
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: more of these conversations. But everyone. You can find Lulu

1742
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: on Instagram Louise Hazel. There's also the slag gym, which

1743
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 2: has an incredible community. She's also hopefully building something for.

1744
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: All of you.

1745
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can access soon. And there's just so much

1746
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: that you can learn, absorb and appreciate about her, so

1747
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 2: please go and check her out. And she also has

1748
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: a podcast, Yes, lay podcast.

1749
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: Play podcast is coming back with its third series. I

1750
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: finally got my act together, so exciting. You're gonna have

1751
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: to come on again?

1752
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, I'm going to come on We're going to

1753
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: have so much, so much more to talk about, but

1754
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 2: thank you for listening again and have an amazing emotional week.

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Speaker 1: Si