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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. Serving in the United States Senate has been

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Speaker 1: you know, five percent of people in Alabama that are

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Speaker 1: going to determine that election whether or not Roy Moore

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Speaker 1: is in fact a pedophile. They are going to try

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Speaker 1: to use this as a club to bludgeon candidates that

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with Roy Moore in the rest

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Speaker 1: of the country in the mid terms. You see what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so, given that, why would Al Frankin

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Speaker 1: not step down? That's what I mean. You see what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying to your buddy, I mean, why why should

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Speaker 1: he Because because that that's a necessary piece of the

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Speaker 1: storyline for the Democrats, which is ce we clean our house,

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Speaker 1: we do the right thing. Republicans didn't. Republicans elected Roy Moore.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be their story exactly. Now, this other senator,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not familiar by actually hearing from you, it

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Speaker 1: was the first time I'm hearing it's the congressman Frank's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this man, did he actually step down? No, I said,

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Speaker 1: he's that he has been reported. It's reported, right now

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of different outlets. I think Politico and

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Speaker 1: Roll Call. Try all those websites do is like call

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Speaker 1: Senate staffers and how staffers all that mean? So trust

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Speaker 1: me that it's it's coming with Trent. Frank's okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's my point though, is is because the

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Speaker 1: Republicans will tend to step down and actually step down

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Speaker 1: and leave, whereas the Democrats they will not. They they

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Speaker 1: will say they're going, they may say they're going to,

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Speaker 1: but then there will be something that will happen that

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Speaker 1: will say, well, you know, I've changed, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a way out for them. Dan. I think I think

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Speaker 1: we've taken this as far as we can go for now.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your converts about my show, and I thank

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Speaker 1: you for calling him with your time, But I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing was I in my tyron? Am I

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Speaker 1: missing our caller was was articulate, but I wasn't seeing

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Speaker 1: where he was trying to go with this. What Al

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Speaker 1: Frank and not stepping down is that's a huge loss

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats, especially if Roy Moore wins. I think

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Speaker 1: he wasn't seeing that you were taking the point all

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Speaker 1: the way out too to the clean House. I think

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Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna just say, well, c Rold

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Speaker 1: Moore one, so I'm not going to drop out. But

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Speaker 1: that would that narrative doesn't work for the mid terms.

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Speaker 1: I think they're playing. Aren't the Democrats playing the long

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Speaker 1: game for November? The whole point what I was trying

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Speaker 1: to start off the show saying is that Frankin was

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Speaker 1: forced out by the need, by the political needs of

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. Frankin did not decide today. You know

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Speaker 1: what he was saying that he wasn't even people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are more allegations. He's saying. I'm not guilty in

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Speaker 1: some of these. He's saying, if the process had played out,

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Speaker 1: I was innocent as some of those. He's saying, when

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Speaker 1: I was a senator, my behavior was totally fine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: when I was an entertainer, I crossed the line a

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Speaker 1: few times. But I'm gonna work harder for women. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna work harder for America. That's where Frankin was going.

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Speaker 1: Democrats were like, you know what this is, This isn't

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Speaker 1: This is opportunism from within his own party. It is

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Speaker 1: not about morality or ethics for them. So all right,

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's an important part of part of this.

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Speaker 1: Uh wow, we got somebody else who thinks franking isn't

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Speaker 1: going Okay, Larry in Ohio, we got another one. What's up, Larry,

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Speaker 1: oh Buck, enjoy your shoe. I enjoy your calls, Larry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, Sir. I think your previous

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Speaker 1: call where is dead on? All right, I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Make me understand. Pardon me, I said, I don't understand, Larry,

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Speaker 1: make me understand. Pardon me. I'll be quiet for a moment.

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Speaker 1: If more wins in Alabama, uh, frank and he ain't

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Speaker 1: going nowhere? Okay, alright, alright, so so you agree. So

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Speaker 1: so clearly this has been someone I'm assuming that there's

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Speaker 1: this is out there. I didn't know that this was

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Speaker 1: an idea that was out there. So let's walk through

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Speaker 1: this together, Larry. All right, we're gonna we're gonna, as

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Speaker 1: I say, we're gonna war gain this together. So so

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind, ready, you're ready, you know that's right,

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Speaker 1: craft the knuckles, stretch out the neck. Let's go here.

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Speaker 1: So if Frankie, I'm sorry, if more wins on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you have, according to of

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Speaker 1: the media and a lot of Republicans I should know too,

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Speaker 1: in the media as well as I think in general.

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Speaker 1: Right you got you know Paul Ryan and I can't

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Speaker 1: even name all them off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Republicans, very opposed to More say that

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Speaker 1: the allegations are credible. You have what they are calling

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Speaker 1: and accused or he is accused. But how they will

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Speaker 1: continue to refer to an accused child lester for the

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Speaker 1: GOP in the United States Senate. And they will also

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Speaker 1: be able to point to see Al frank In, our

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Speaker 1: senator who misbehaved, and they will say, on a much

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Speaker 1: lesser level, though he was guilty and more denies it.

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Speaker 1: We got rid of him, you guys will, and keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, will be replaced by a Democrat. So they

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Speaker 1: lose no vote in Minnesota, that's certainty. They So what's

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Speaker 1: the why would Frankin stay in? Then what's the benefit?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know Frankin might want to keep his job,

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Speaker 1: but the rest of the Democrat Party is gonna wanted

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Speaker 1: to be gone. Don't you see what I'm saying? Oh now, alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: make me make me a believer Larry, let's do this.

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Speaker 1: It's the people of Alabama who has the right to

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Speaker 1: determine the outcome of the vote. Okay, right, And Republicans

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Speaker 1: can say it wasn't up to the r n C.

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Speaker 1: It was up to the people of Alabama, and we're

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Speaker 1: and Frankline can go back and say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: if he can stay, if he can get elected, and

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Speaker 1: he can stay in and his alleged charges are a

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Speaker 1: lot worse than mine, I'm not going anywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 1: can we all can you agree with me on this?

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Speaker 1: At least Larry that rescinding a resignation. He didn't resign. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: resend being a speech where you say you're stepping down

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Speaker 1: would be uh quite a political maneuver. I think we

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Speaker 1: could agree on that. Right. He left himself and opening

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Speaker 1: in that speech. He didn't apologize. He said before I

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Speaker 1: was senator. I might across the line a few guys, no,

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Speaker 1: I know he was defiant, but okay, in any brought

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Speaker 1: up that thing about Trumpton whatever. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is he didn't apologize for really anything, and he left

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Speaker 1: himself and opening. Well, I think the Senate, I think

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Speaker 1: the Senate would be able would be in a position.

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats might even go along with it at

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Speaker 1: that point to voter. I think the Senators would vote

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Speaker 1: to remove him if if he tried to stay in

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Speaker 1: at this point, Republicans would go along. And I think

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Speaker 1: playing at Democrats because Larry, thank you for calling in

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Speaker 1: so clearly this is I'm glad we're clearing this up. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: we're not, or at least we're airing it out, maybe

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Speaker 1: not clearing it up. I didn't know this was a

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Speaker 1: thought that was out there. We got we got one

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Speaker 1: caller after another are on this. That's certainly indicative from

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Speaker 1: you know, desparate parts of the Florida and Ohio disper

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Speaker 1: It's parts of the country. People are clearly hearing this,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't it doesn't add up to me because

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00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Frankin conceded to the pressure of the Democrats around him. Today,

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Speaker 1: it's not in a sense, it's really not up to

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Speaker 1: Frankin that he was I mean it is technically, but

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Speaker 1: he wasn't stepping down or saying he would step down

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Speaker 1: because he feels so badly. Quite the contrary, he's saying, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm even innocent of some of this stuff. But he

561
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Speaker 1: said I'm a distraction and everything else, because all of

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Speaker 1: his Democratic colleagues were like, sorry, bro, you got to go.

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Speaker 1: And the reason they want him to go is because

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Speaker 1: now the only thing on the sexual harass or sexual

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Speaker 1: abuser scoreboard going forward. I know you and I are

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Speaker 1: gonna want to talk about Clinton and Ted Kennedy and

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Speaker 1: all the others, but the only thing that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are gonna focus on. They're gonna say, look at the

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Speaker 1: last cases, Democrats get rid of their haraz sir, their abuser,

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Speaker 1: Republicans stay behind theirs. Now you can also say, and

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Speaker 1: this is completely legitimate, and this might very well be

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Speaker 1: the case, buck who cares? So what, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: All right, that may all be true. I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: you this is why they did what they did today.

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Speaker 1: It's not because they you know, they believe so much

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Speaker 1: and women need to be believed. It's not because, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're so outraged by sexual harassment. Democrat party, Now they

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Speaker 1: see an opening here for a powerful political narrative that

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Speaker 1: can help them take back the House and maybe the

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Speaker 1: Senate or the Senate and maybe the House in the

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Speaker 1: mid terms. That's what they see, all right, We gotta

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Speaker 1: roll into a quick break here, team I'll be back

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Speaker 1: eight four to five. Stay with me. See might have

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Speaker 1: to apologize to our esteemed special operations caller from before

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Speaker 1: and uh and of course valued member of Team Buck.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to respond his question after the break. I

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Speaker 1: get so caught up in what I'm saying here, so

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Speaker 1: so the caller I wanted to know, why is it

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Speaker 1: that people who are not progressive lefty types necessarily although

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Speaker 1: a lot of them too, are very opposed to moving

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Speaker 1: the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And let me

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Speaker 1: say that there are many different answers one could give

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Speaker 1: to this, and he was specifically talking about members of

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Speaker 1: the military that he knows and people that he says

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Speaker 1: are are even conservative who on this issue feel like

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration is making a mistake. I have a

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Speaker 1: few different answers to the question, and maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: combination of all of them. Maybe one is much more

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Speaker 1: so than the others. I would leave that to you,

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Speaker 1: But but first I would note that this is a

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Speaker 1: diplomatic and a foreign policy matter, not a military matter.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that people the military. Obviously, there a

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Speaker 1: lot of generals that go on to be special envoys

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Speaker 1: in secretary and they're incredibly knowledge about these things. But

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Speaker 1: but in terms of the way a consensus opinion is

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Speaker 1: formed on something like this, it will be generally from

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Speaker 1: the diplomatic diplomatic core, foggy bottom state department folks, and academia,

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Speaker 1: and in foreign policy in particular, the consensus opinion is

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Speaker 1: a very powerful thing because that if you want to

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Speaker 1: sound smart, you want to know what the smart people

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Speaker 1: are saying. That's just the way that it is, and

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Speaker 1: it has I think a very negative effect on creative

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Speaker 1: thinking in foreign policy or I hate the term thinking

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Speaker 1: outside the box. But approaching these issues without immediately falling

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Speaker 1: into the accepted dogma can be hard because when you

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Speaker 1: say something like, you know, maybe we should shake things up,

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Speaker 1: they go, oh, no, foreign policy is so complicated and

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Speaker 1: all these interlocking issues, and you know, these very smart

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Speaker 1: people and they go down a list of esteemed and

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Speaker 1: brilliant folks who all agree that this is the way

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Speaker 1: we have to do it. But I would note that

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Speaker 1: the foreign policy wisdom on Israeli Palestinian issues has been

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Speaker 1: wrong time and time again, that the issue is more

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Speaker 1: stagnant now than it has been in decades, that the

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Speaker 1: peace process is completely stalled, and if we are waiting

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Speaker 1: around for things to change from the Palestinian side, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be waiting for a very long time indeed. Um

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Speaker 1: And and then so that that's one version of it

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Speaker 1: is I just think that foreign policy is a is

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Speaker 1: a very h is a very profound echo chamber, or

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Speaker 1: an airtight echo chamber maybe is a better way to

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Speaker 1: put it. And that filters across everything. Media, senior military

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Speaker 1: folks are just folks in the military are going to

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Speaker 1: hear from the people that look at this all the

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Speaker 1: time and that look, it happens to me too, right.

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Speaker 1: You get you know, you get brought into certain ideas,

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Speaker 1: certain conceptions of what foreign policy reality is. It can

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Speaker 1: be very hard to break away from it. And then

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Speaker 1: I would also say that's not in know, it's not

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Speaker 1: without its risks. And for a lot of people, especially

641
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Speaker 1: on the military and national security side, what's fair and

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Speaker 1: moral can be a secondary consideration, or you know, what's

643
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Speaker 1: fair and ethical under the circumstances can be a secondary

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Speaker 1: consideration too. We just don't want our people in harm's way,

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Speaker 1: you know. So what I mean by that is if

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Speaker 1: moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem right now

647
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Speaker 1: means that a bunch of our marines guarding an embassy

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Speaker 1: in some Mid East country come under attack. A lot

649
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Speaker 1: of people, very understanding the military, are going to be

650
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Speaker 1: upset about that. I mean, we'll all be upset about it,

651
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Speaker 1: but they'll see this immediately as cause and effect. So

652
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Speaker 1: and look, that's a risk. I'm not gonna say that

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Speaker 1: there's not a risk of our embassies being attacked or

654
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Speaker 1: hamas going after American interests specifically. Usually generally speaking, hamass

655
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Speaker 1: is focused will not always on Israeli targets, but they

656
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Speaker 1: may decide to try and make an example of the

657
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Speaker 1: Trump administration. So so there are risks, and I think

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Speaker 1: from a national security military perspective, the risk to our

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Speaker 1: people in personnel of this move perhaps outweighs in their

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Speaker 1: from their perspective, outweighs any gain that will be made

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Speaker 1: in the diplomatic or peace process. But that's a judgment call,

662
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Speaker 1: so they could be right, they could be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: I understand the perspective. So those are the answers that

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Speaker 1: I can give on that. We're gonna come back and

665
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Speaker 1: talk about the testimony that since your confirmation is a treasure.

666
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Speaker 1: Every contacting you about the Special Counsel's investigation, as as

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General or anybody else in the White House. Nope.

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Speaker 1: FBI Director Christopher Ray on the hot seat today down

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Speaker 1: at Capitol Hill, getting grilled, getting grilled, lots and lots

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Speaker 1: of questions. There's that. There's also the series of revelations

671
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Speaker 1: about different figure yours in the FBI who see him

672
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Speaker 1: to be politicized. But perhaps we should put a hold

673
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Speaker 1: on that until more information comes in. Our next guest

674
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Speaker 1: is going to walk us through all of this. We've

675
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Speaker 1: got Andy McCarthy on the line. He's a former assistant

676
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Speaker 1: U S Attorney for the Southern District of New York

677
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Speaker 1: and he's also a bestselling author contributor at National Review. Andy,

678
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Speaker 1: you've been everywhere lately. Good to have you on the show. Buck,

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm good, I'm good, Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. As always, Andy, So

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Speaker 1: we got we got a lot. So hopefully your your

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Speaker 1: comfy and uh and hopefully you're in a good chair.

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Speaker 1: You're ready to go. All right, Here's here's what I

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Speaker 1: want to ask first Ray today talking about the FBI stuff,

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, anything really important that

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Speaker 1: came out, anything particularly interesting that he had to say

687
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Speaker 1: or responses to the questions. You know, I I think

688
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Speaker 1: it was kind of normal. I mean, there were abnormal times,

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Speaker 1: but the FBI director, as you would expect directed, defended

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Speaker 1: his agency, and he did it, UH in the way

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Speaker 1: that you would expect a competent FBI directed to do.

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Speaker 1: That is to say, he did it without being insulting

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Speaker 1: with disrespectful to the president. But nevertheless, UH made clear

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Speaker 1: his disagreement about the state of the Bureau, and I

695
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Speaker 1: think UM tried to suggestive people that, UM, whatever they

696
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Speaker 1: may think of what has gone on in a couple

697
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Speaker 1: of major investigations, that is not even a registerable fraction

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Speaker 1: of the work that the FBI does day in and

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Speaker 1: day out, particularly the work it does in the Canta

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Speaker 1: terrorism area to keep the country safe, and that people

701
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Speaker 1: should should should not fall into the idea of just

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Speaker 1: like rejecting out of hand the Bureau or that it's

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Speaker 1: a that it's an institution that I think, I think

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Speaker 1: you and I are going to completely agree on this

705
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Speaker 1: any which is that that that's all totally true, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I've I've been reminding people on

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Speaker 1: this show because I've seen some of the stuff about

708
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Speaker 1: you know, and and some conservatives with some platforms are

709
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Speaker 1: going a little far about how, you know, the FBI

710
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Speaker 1: is practically the KGB now, which nobody with any actual

711
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Speaker 1: historical knowledge of the KGB would ever say. But that's

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Speaker 1: a separate discussion, uh the But that's not fair because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about at worst a handful of bad actors

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Speaker 1: here within an agency that has thousands of thousands of

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Speaker 1: people and as you said, counter terrorism, kidnapping, MAFIO shows.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're dealing with stuff that I am very

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Speaker 1: happy the FBI is dealing with day in and day out,

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Speaker 1: and that's what nine percent of its agents are doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and the other thing buck that I've been trying

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Speaker 1: to underscore every time I've had to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to give gold stars to anybody in

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Speaker 1: the uh who worked on these prominent investigations, but what

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Speaker 1: the Bureau was asked to do was really an impossible thing.

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Speaker 1: They had to investigate the nominee for a major political

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Speaker 1: party in an election year against the wishes of the

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Speaker 1: president who didn't want her indicted, and that put them

727
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Speaker 1: in a very awkward position of having to do a

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Speaker 1: competent bureau like uh investigation on the circumstances where they

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Speaker 1: were getting really no help or even worse, being undermined

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Speaker 1: at points by the Justice Department and the administration. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a tough line for them to walk. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying they handled it great, but but we should acknowledge

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Speaker 1: it was a hard problem. Also, can I just ask

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Speaker 1: you exciting? I know you you know Comy right? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What's with what's with the Comy Twitter account? Like fortune

736
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Speaker 1: Cookie Wisdom stuff that's been going on? You know, I

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Speaker 1: haven't I haven't answer about that. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know places do it, and and and he's

739
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Speaker 1: dodging everybody. Look, he's a friend. He looked. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he would uh. He probably punched me, although we'd have

741
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Speaker 1: to reach down um if he saw me. Because I

742
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Speaker 1: haven't been very uh kind to him in a lot

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Speaker 1: of way. I've tried to be fair to him, but

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Speaker 1: that being fair to him doesn't, as we've seen over

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Speaker 1: the list a couple of years, doesn't mean being nice

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Speaker 1: to him. Um. But I you know, look, I love

747
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Speaker 1: him to death. I feel terrible about what's happened here.

748
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Speaker 1: I feel terrible having to criticize, uh, some really bad

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Speaker 1: judgment calls I think he made. And I don't inquire

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Speaker 1: about what I don't need to inquire about because it's

751
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Speaker 1: just too uh, it's too strange. Yeah, I've gone outside

752
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Speaker 1: the scope of what we invited Edie to talk about. It.

753
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Speaker 1: I just I see these tweets where I'm just like, comy,

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Speaker 1: come on, man, turned down the sanctumony a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's not even about politics. But all all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get you back on track here, Eddie for a second.

757
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bringing onto what we actually have you to

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Speaker 1: talk about, which is you wrote on struck. Let's wait

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Speaker 1: for the evidence. Because people are going really far with

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Speaker 1: this really quickly, and I gotta say I'm one of

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Speaker 1: them too. It seems very I'm not going as far

762
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Speaker 1: as some, but smells very fishy to me that this

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Speaker 1: guy would be foolish enough to be communicating with an

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Speaker 1: other FBI personnel showing a disdain or dislike for Trump

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Speaker 1: while he's been involved in the Hillary emails and the Flynn, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Flynn interrogation and the Muller probe, A Russia, Russia ties,

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Speaker 1: you know, the deep state. It may be very, very

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Speaker 1: small at the FBI, but this guy sounds like a

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Speaker 1: one man deep state. Well, let me just make make

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Speaker 1: two points. And by the way, I don't know Strock.

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Speaker 1: I've had people reach out to me about Strock, and

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Speaker 1: I've talked about to other people about him, including people

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Speaker 1: in the in the Trump and Flynn camps. You know,

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Speaker 1: people who approach Trump pro pro Flynn, who think very

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Speaker 1: highly of him and think that he's an exceptional counter

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Speaker 1: intelligence agent. And I guess you know, I told a

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Speaker 1: little story in a column I wrote I think was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The column seemed to run together like the days too.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I for a time had a piece

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Speaker 1: of the Clinton pardons investigation because I was running the

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Speaker 1: part of the U. S. Attorney's Office that handled the

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Speaker 1: pardon that had to do with the Hosidic community in

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Speaker 1: upstate New York that, through their support to Hillary for

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Speaker 1: her Senate race after Clinton pardon for guys from the

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Speaker 1: community who had been convicted the financial fraud. And I

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Speaker 1: must say, Buck, if you sat with me um during

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Speaker 1: parts of the Clinton Lewinsky scandal, or you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: at the at the Gore Bush debate and heard that

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Speaker 1: after hearing my commentary about those things, heard that I

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Speaker 1: had a piece of the Clinton investigation. I guess that

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00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: means we should be outraged because I was not. I

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Speaker 1: was not shy about what my political views of the

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Speaker 1: Clinton's were, um, and yet I didn't think there was

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Speaker 1: anything inappropriate about me doing what I did, which actually

795
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Speaker 1: was favorable to the Clinton's and the part an investigation.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know it's worth bearing in mind.

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Speaker 1: And you know this because you're as much a part

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Speaker 1: of this community of law enforcement intelligence people as I am.

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Speaker 1: We're dealing with a community of people who are very

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Speaker 1: civically engaged, and many of them have have very passionate

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Speaker 1: political views. Uh, and they're not shy about about sharing them,

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Speaker 1: but they don't let it affect their day to day work.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not all that whipped up until I see

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Speaker 1: what these texts say. I'm not all that whipped up

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Speaker 1: by the fact that that Struck had had strong political

806
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Speaker 1: views that he was ardently uh, you know, anti Trump

807
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Speaker 1: and pro Hillary, makes him like one of about you know,

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Speaker 1: half the country during the election season, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's at every single one of these This seems

810
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Speaker 1: to be the most damning fact that that people talk about,

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Speaker 1: and it's strange to me, and I would think it'd

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Speaker 1: be strange to you having having in this world. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he had a very high ranking position in

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Speaker 1: intelligence in the FBI and he was functioning as the

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Speaker 1: case agent in the Hillary investigation. So you would expect,

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Speaker 1: because this is the way the FBI works every case,

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Speaker 1: as a case agent, right, Um, he would be at

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Speaker 1: every single key interview, he would be in the middle

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Speaker 1: of every single key decision that got made. That's what

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Speaker 1: the case agent does. It's what the case agent doesn't

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Speaker 1: in every case. So I'm not carrying a brief for

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Speaker 1: the guy, but I'll say this much. The portrayal of him,

823
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Speaker 1: and I think it's a caricature from what I can see,

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Speaker 1: is that he is a pro Hillary, anti Trump Zella

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Speaker 1: who was tanking the case of Hillary and looking a

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Speaker 1: sand bag sand bag Trump. Then I noticed that in

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Speaker 1: this was reported the Wall Street Journal earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: On March two, when he was still FBI Director, Comy

829
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Speaker 1: testifies to a closed session of the House Intelligence Committee

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Speaker 1: and he tells them about the Flynn interview, over which

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Speaker 1: Flynn has now played guilty to lying to the FBI

832
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Speaker 1: right nest about it by the members of the House,

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Speaker 1: and he says that the agents who interviewed General Flynn

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Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that he was truthful and credible,

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Speaker 1: and that to the extent there with discrepancies in his

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Speaker 1: statements between his recollection and what was on the transcripts

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Speaker 1: of the conversations they were asking him about, that Flynn

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Speaker 1: had honest UH defects of recollection, that he wasn't trying

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Speaker 1: to lie or mislead the agents. So it seems to

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Speaker 1: me that Strock is the guy who interviewed Flynn, and

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Speaker 1: it looks like Strock would have been an exculpatory witnesses

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Speaker 1: he had been permitted to testify if there had been

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Speaker 1: a trial of Flynn. And it also looks like Strock's

844
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Speaker 1: conclusion that Flynn was honest was countermanded later down the

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Speaker 1: line by Mueller's very aggressive UH prosecutors in this investigation.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like Mueller's team decided that they knew

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Speaker 1: better than the highly experienced agents who were in the

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Speaker 1: room with Lynn, asking the questions and observing his demeanor.

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Speaker 1: So when I saw that, I just said you know,

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Speaker 1: I think we really need to know more facts before

851
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: we draw a big conclusion about this guy. Okay, so

852
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: you're saying, like as as is the title of your

853
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: piece of Nash review on Stocolate's wait for the Evidence.

854
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I do think Andy that given the that that, given

855
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: the circumstances or really the circumstantial evidence around him, I

856
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: think people are working backward from that. Right. They look

857
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: at the Comy Tarmac meeting, the Hillary no non indictment

858
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: or non charge, and they look at the process crimes

859
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: that are being racked up against Trump people, and you know,

860
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what gets and this seems pretty clear, right,

861
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: That's why they're so working and Buck, you know, I

862
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: think they should because I wouldn't be drawing conclusions, but

863
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, you've got more than a handful

864
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: of reasons here that this needs to be very heavily investigated.

865
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: But I guess I don't know if this is a

866
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, humble pie or what it is. But for

867
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: a long time, for many weeks when I when you

868
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: and I would have these conversations, and I'd have these

869
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: conversations with with other people publicly and writing columns, I

870
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: said again and again and again there's not a shred

871
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: of evidence of collusion between Trump people and Russia people.

872
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: There's no context at all. There's no context whatsoever. And

873
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: then the next thing that wrote comes rolling out is, uh,

874
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, don Trump Jr. Setting up a meeting in

875
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Trump Tower with the Kremlin connected lawyer. So I end

876
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: up having to say, Okay, uh, you know, I shouldn't

877
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: have left to the conclusion that that it's that it's

878
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: a big nothing. It doesn't prove that, you know, there's

879
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Trump Trump complicity in the espionage against the election. But

880
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: I was wrong to say that there wasn't a shred

881
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: of proof that that there was any collue Asian. So

882
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: I guess, having been burned on that, Um, the lesson

883
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I've taken away is, uh, when you don't know everything,

884
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: you don't know everything that's important. We're speaking to Annie

885
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: McCarthy of National Review. Uh Andy the New York Times

886
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: piece on Flynn that said that he sent some text

887
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: messages after the or I think the day of the

888
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: inauguration about nuclear reactors or something. I mean, the one

889
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: part of that that I that I can't get past.

890
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: And I want to know if you think, because look,

891
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: you used to look at stuff like that, right and decide, Okay,

892
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: this guy, we gotta prosecute him. But I see that

893
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: and I say to myself, well, did he have a

894
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: financial interest or not? Because they said he may have

895
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: had a financial interest, Well, if he didn't have a

896
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: financial interests, I don't even understand how this is a story. Yeah,

897
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: And I must say, Buck, I was underwhelmed when I

898
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: first heard this story. I mean, the headline was certainly

899
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: an attention grabber. I can't remember if it was I

900
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't say because I don't remember which it was. Basically

901
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: like Flynn may have had a financial interest in Russia

902
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: winning the election or something thing. I mean, that's what

903
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: they were saying. And can you imagine that that went

904
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: on and that you know, Mueller's people haven't found it,

905
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: and the months and months of investigation the Bureau did

906
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: before Mueller came along, they didn't find it. But the

907
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: other thing that I that I noticed when I read

908
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the article is that so you have this guy who

909
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: who poses as a whistleblower. He says he's relying on

910
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: a text message that he didn't that he doesn't have

911
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: a copy of and didn't read at the time that

912
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: some guy that he was sitting next to with the

913
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: inauguration told him about it and showed it to him,

914
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and he says he remembers like the daytime stamp, but

915
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: he didn't actually read what the text message said. UM,

916
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: so that seems like a pretty thin read to to

917
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: be relying on. We gotta you know, we got a

918
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: guy who was not involved in the chain of the communications,

919
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a copy of the of the of

920
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: the message and didn't read it at the time that

921
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: it that it came in. Um, they're going to have

922
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: to do better than that. And so if this guy

923
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: walked into the U. S. Attorney's office when you're there, Andy,

924
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: you're not bringing them the best coffee you can find

925
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: out on Center Street and saying, all right, we got

926
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: our star witness. I don't think so. Yeah I would.

927
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so either. I was really that that

928
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: story I read it. I'm like, this is kind of

929
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: a it's not fake news, but it was kind of

930
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: non news. It didn't really it didn't really have enough

931
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: of a punch. But at this point there's a lot

932
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 1: of don't you think there's a lot of half fake

933
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: stuff coming out and I think it's because these media

934
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: outlets are in more of a frenzy than you know,

935
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: some of the some of the team Muller to to

936
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: get trouble. Oh absolutely. And I think that some journalists.

937
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 1: I think some journalists are are even jumping the shark

938
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: on this because they're so personally and psychologically invested in

939
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: this more so than just they're trying to get their

940
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: audience whipped up. I think that they really believe this,

941
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: which is kind of scary in a sense. But there

942
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: were such a rush to be first that they're that

943
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: they're reporting really shaky information. Do be stuff to be sure.

944
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: And McCarthy, everybody, best selling author, Andy, when's your next

945
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: book coming out? What's going on there? We have to

946
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: have the president get more than four hours of sleep

947
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: at night so I can like think about something else

948
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: besides him. That'll be great. All right, Well, we we're

949
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: waiting for it, and you we'll have you. We're gonna

950
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: have you. Are We're gonna sell some books when it

951
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: comes out. You let us know. But Andy rights for

952
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: Nasha Review. Everybody go check out Nasha review dot com.

953
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: He's doing great stuff there. Andy, Thanks so much for

954
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: your time and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Take care. Alright,

955
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: team rolling into a break, We'll be right back. Do

956
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: you think that it is safe for them to go

957
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: there in this environment? I think those are conversations that

958
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: we're going to have to have. But what have we

959
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: always said? We don't ever fear anything. We live our lives,

960
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: we use our freedom, We have that and certainly that's

961
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity for all of them to go and

962
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: do something they've worked so hard for. What we will

963
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: do is make sure that we're taking every precaution possible.

964
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: The United States recommending that our team goes or is

965
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: that still an open question? There is environment there, there's

966
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: an open question. I have not heard anything about that.

967
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: Should the US Olympic team go to the Winter Olympics

968
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: in South Korea in eighteen? That was the question. You

969
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: just heard US Ambassador Nicky Haley there and Martha McCallum

970
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: over at Fox News going back and forth on that

971
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: one for a moment. Uh, I don't understand how there's

972
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: any question here at all. Can we just let's just

973
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say now war gaming is actually serious war gaming,

974
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: but let's let's look at this for a moment. Kim

975
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: jong Kim Jong un has artillery pointed at Seoul, South

976
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: Korea right now that could kill hundreds of thousands of

977
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: people quickly. He has nuclear weapons, for sure. He has

978
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons that could hit South Korea, could hit Japan,

979
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: could probably hit Hawaii. And now some people are saying,

980
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: we don't even know, could maybe hit anybody. We don't know.

981
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: So the Olympic team won't go there because what all

982
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Kim Jong on maybe like now is

983
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: the time I will strike, because it's going to it's

984
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: going to get so much more attention because the Olympics,

985
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: when you're taught, Yeah, when you're talking about kicking off

986
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: what would be a major war with apps millions of casualties.

987
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's be very straightforward about this. The presence of

988
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: the U. S Olympic team one or the other, I

989
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: feel like makes no difference. I I don't see how

990
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: this isn't a jihadest terrorist group. Kim Jong n is

991
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: not some terrorist group that's looking for headlines. If he

992
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: were to, you know, if he's going to attack South Korea.

993
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: The presence of the of the US Olympic team there

994
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: I think means nothing. And in fact, I think we

995
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: should definitely go. Tyrone, what say you? I think you

996
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: have to go because we're America. We can't be intimidated, right,

997
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean what kind of messages that send? Yeah, I

998
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: mean I feel like the Trumpian if I could that

999
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: the trump in response to this is we're sending our team.

1000
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna kick butt and get a ton of medals

1001
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: because they always do. And if Kim Jong un so

1002
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: much as sneezes in their general direction, you know, the

1003
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: fire and what what was the thing that Trump said? Right?

1004
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: The fire and destruction like the world's never seen e forget.

1005
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: But it was scary what he said. And if you ask,

1006
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: I bet you if you ask those athletes, some of

1007
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: them would say they're willing to risk death to do that.

1008
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: They love what they do that much. It's their decision

1009
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: they want to go. I mean, I can tell you

1010
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: this if my sibling, if one of my siblings were

1011
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: an Olympic athlete, and they're very brilliant, you know, attractive

1012
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: and charming, but none of them Olympic athletes. But if

1013
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: one of my siblings was like, hey, Buck, do you

1014
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: think it's safe for me to go compete in Olympics.

1015
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: After I trend this my whole life in South Korea,

1016
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I wouldn't be like even ninety arms,

1017
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: like not even a question. So I don't understand what

1018
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: where this is really coming from. Unless people really think

1019
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: that it might just be a coincidence that we could

1020
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: start a war with North Korea or that North Creek

1021
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: could start a war with us at the same time

1022
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: that there would be the Olympic team there, so it

1023
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: would just be additional Americans in harm's way, I guess.

1024
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: And it makes some great progress front country. I think

1025
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: that will happen, and we appreciated it very much and

1026
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: shuck and see would you say anything? Shut well, we

1027
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: hope we can uh come to an agreement. Uh. Funding

1028
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: the government is extremely important, helping our soldiers is very important,

1029
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: and helping average citizens is very important. So we're here

1030
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: in the spirit of let's get it done. Thank you,

1031
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: Mr President, for this opportunity. We are here to make progress.

1032
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: We have some important issues that we share with you.

1033
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: As you have described the opioid crisis in our country.

1034
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: We want to address that, help our veterans, as chip

1035
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: their children's health insurance, and again all things that had

1036
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: bipartisan support in the Congress or reculentary gar Mitch, let'spred it.

1037
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: We're here to reach about partisan agreement to finish out

1038
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: the year, and clad inviters happy to be here, thank

1039
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: you very much. So, uh, there's a there's a big

1040
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: circle of hugs there from Nancy to Chuck to Trump

1041
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: to Chuck to Nancy. No more empty chairs, all of

1042
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: a sudden, no more empty chairs. Now it's all I go. Yeah,

1043
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: priorities are sure of the priorities together. It is the

1044
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: point in the fun. You know, the President, we gotta

1045
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: get the funding done. You know, Chuck Schumer's in their

1046
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. All of a sudden, everyone's like on the

1047
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: same sheet of music with government, with the government funding

1048
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: and not not having government shutdown. Uh so you have

1049
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: oh here, I'm sorry. Yeah, we we did this. It's done.

1050
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say when we came on air. Right

1051
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: at the House, President Trump and Coggression leaders met at

1052
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: the White House. The Senate passed a two week funding bill. Right,

1053
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: so the House has passed it as well, right have they?

1054
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: Orm I know that I skip I skipped a beat. Okay,

1055
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: it's the Senate pass that we're waiting on the house.

1056
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: All right, I gotta pack. You know what, You're probably like, Buck,

1057
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: get get your game face on. You're supposed to know

1058
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff where you go in there. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you. I was not numbered earlier today,

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Speaker 1: and I kept saying it and over again. They both

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Speaker 1: did thank you, and it just happened. I thought, So,

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Speaker 1: even when I think I'm wrong, I'm right. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong and I'm right. What can I say? But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say that today I was I was just dropping.

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Speaker 1: I was Buck explaining today on the couch and outnumbered

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Speaker 1: a little bit. They're like, oh, but the government shutdown.

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Speaker 1: I was like, there's not gonna be a shutdown. They're

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Speaker 1: not gonna shut down the government over this, even though

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that big a deal. Like all of

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Speaker 1: essential personnel, first of all, about essential government personnel are

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Speaker 1: actually essential. And I'm a former CIA guy. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you that. Okay, so a vast majority of

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Speaker 1: even the quote essential personnel are not. But basically everybody

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Speaker 1: in the government is considered essential because everybody's special. Everybody

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Speaker 1: in the government's a unique snowflake, and it's not like

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Speaker 1: it would be the end of the world anyway. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, They're just not gonna have this fight

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Speaker 1: right now. They're they're not gonna do it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm here to be the Well. Before I tell you

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Speaker 1: why I think they're not gonna the fight, let me

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Speaker 1: just point out that, you know, Bernie gets very Bernie

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Speaker 1: gets a little testy about this whole shutdown situation that

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Speaker 1: he was worried about. That's not going to happen. You

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Speaker 1: have said that you will not vote for a spending

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Speaker 1: bill without a permanent fix for Dreamers. The President said

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Speaker 1: that if there is a government shutdown, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be the Democrats fault. Are you willing to take that responsibility. No,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly not going to be the Democrats fault. Instead

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Speaker 1: of giving tax breaks the billionaires, maybe it's time the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party started looking at the news of the working

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Speaker 1: class and middle class of this country. But in in

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Speaker 1: the shutdown then you said it is wrong for right

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Speaker 1: wing Republicans to ignore the results of the last election

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Speaker 1: and hold the American people hostage by threatening to shut

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Speaker 1: down the government because they can't get their way. What

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Speaker 1: makes this different? Some people that we are shutting down

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Speaker 1: the government. We want to keep who wants to shutdown

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Speaker 1: the government? I don't want to shut down the government.

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Speaker 1: I don't want said that this is an oppressing issue.

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Speaker 1: You still have three months until agree that model down.

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Speaker 1: I forgot oh, I forgot Max McConnell. Oh bah, I

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Speaker 1: want to do that. He just he just Bernie splained,

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01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: Bernie splained to that lady, that lady reporter. He's like,

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Speaker 1: oh bah blah blah blah blah blah. Bay hold on, honey,

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Speaker 1: hold on, Bernie sand does his talking. Oh man, by

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Speaker 1: the way, because he because she got him, because she

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Speaker 1: got him. She's like. So a shutdown when Obama and

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are winning elections is thwarting the will of

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Speaker 1: the of the American as shown by the American people

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Speaker 1: with the election, and now the Republicans have won everything,

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Speaker 1: A shutdown is still uh, you know, a shutdown would

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Speaker 1: be a good thing if it's blamed on Republicans. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no consistency here at all. But

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Speaker 1: as I have been telling you, b b B, what

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Speaker 1: do you stop talking? As I've been telling you, there's

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Speaker 1: no no way and it's not now in the Center past.

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Speaker 1: The House passed. They've got it. They've extended this, they

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Speaker 1: kicked the can down the road. It's a little disappointing

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Speaker 1: because of the following uh one. If they're not willing

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Speaker 1: to have the shutdown fight now, when will they be?

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Speaker 1: Meaning for, Republicans are not willing to have the shutdown

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Speaker 1: fight at this point in time. Let's let's be real

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Speaker 1: about this, shall we. When is it gonna happen? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is it's not. They've got the House, They've

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Speaker 1: got the Senate, They've got Trump. Once this, once the

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Speaker 1: government gets funded and and without any changes to anything

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: that Republicans could try and hold out for once, if

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Speaker 1: the government just gets funded as is, guess what soon

1129
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Speaker 1: we'll be in the midst of the mid term season

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Speaker 1: and a lot of these politicians are gonna be worried

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Speaker 1: about getting reelected and all that. You think, then they're

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Speaker 1: gonna want to take a stand on the debt. You think,

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Speaker 1: then they're gonna want to take a tough vote on immigration. Please.

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Speaker 1: Republicans do excel in certain areas. Republican members of Congress

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: are really talented when it comes to prevaricating and abandoning

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: ship the moment things look tough, right, So so they're

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Speaker 1: good at that. Uh, they're they're good at disappearing when

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01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: the when the going gets tough, the Republicans get get

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,959
Speaker 1: going in the opposite direction. So it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: And it's a shame because there there would be. I think,

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Speaker 1: I do think there are some parts of the Republican

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Speaker 1: agenda that they could get via a shutdown negotiation. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't play chicken if you're you're not

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: willing to go the distance, right, You can't get into

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: this fight with the other side if you're sure you're

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: gonna lose no matter what, which Republicans are. So my

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: my predictions. How many times have I said I can't

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Speaker 1: even I couldn't even waste time on the on on

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: this show, on the Oh you know there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: uh a negotiation over this in the budget and that

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: in the budget and everything. Now it's it's funded. I

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: knew it would be funded. They're making fun of me

1153
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: at number They're like, oh, well look at you, Mr.

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Speaker 1: The government's gonna be fund that. I'm like, like, listen, everybody.

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01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I know it is the unctuous

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: cowardice of the GOP Congress, and they are not gonna

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01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: do and they're not gonna make a stand here because

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: they feel like they don't have to. So anyway, it's

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Speaker 1: it's been funded. And uh and Bernie is Bie is upset. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know why. But he's in touch with the

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Speaker 1: middle class because you know, the guy's got three houses,

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Speaker 1: so that way he can visit different areas where there

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Speaker 1: are people who only have one house, which means he

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Speaker 1: outa stands what's going on with them, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Bernie is I think I still think they

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Speaker 1: may think that Bernie is going to be their next

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Speaker 1: presidential Canada, which is pretty amazing when you think about it.

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Speaker 1: There's there's definitely some members of the left. He were like,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Bernie, which at least um I almost

1170
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Speaker 1: got knocked over by a Bernie gaggle on the street.

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Speaker 1: It was he the only presidential candidate bumped into New

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Speaker 1: York City, almost literally bumped into him back when he

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Speaker 1: was given Hillary a really hard time on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 1: And there's always people and it was amazing to see

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Speaker 1: there was there were people like swooning on the street

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, it's Bernie, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's Bernie. All right, all right, We're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: Emily Campanio coming up here in a second about all

1179
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: the legal angles going on today. You'll want to hear that,

1180
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Speaker 1: and then I'll talk about socialism in the third hour

1181
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: and a book that all millennials should read. Stay with me,

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Speaker 1: all right, So a massive resignation today, rocking the political world.

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Speaker 1: Senator al Frankin is toast. He is out, as I

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01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: thought he would be, and so many others did as well.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday he thought he could endure the storm, but yesterday

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: it's snowballed. And I guess I've mixed my metaphors, but

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Speaker 1: you get the idea. He is out. Well, what should

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Speaker 1: we make of this? And also some other resignations that

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Speaker 1: have happened and maybe happening soon. Attorney Emily Campanio is

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Speaker 1: here now in studio, is gonna talk to me about

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Emily. Great to have you back,

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Speaker 1: Great to be back, Thanks so much. All right, So

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Speaker 1: Frankie is out. Are are you a little surprised both

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Speaker 1: by the way that he exited it and also that

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Speaker 1: he managed to last three weeks here. You know, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like this was quick. I am surprised. And here's why.

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Speaker 1: Because he was at the forefront of calling for an

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Speaker 1: ethics committee probe into his own conduct. He was so

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Speaker 1: confident that he would be cleared, that he would survive

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Speaker 1: that that I think this was an extremely reluctant decision

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Speaker 1: on his part, and that's why it was so surprising,

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Speaker 1: and that's why it took so many weeks, right, And

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Speaker 1: I think it was the pressure of the party that

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Speaker 1: actually fostered this decision rather than those allegations. And Alf

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Speaker 1: Frankin in his step down speech. His resignation speech had

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Speaker 1: some tones of defiance, or at least some I'm not

1207
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 1: really guilty of all this stuff, but I'm just gonna

1208
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Speaker 1: take one for the team here. I think it's because

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Speaker 1: he figures that he'll because he has stepped down as

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Speaker 1: the Democrats want him to, he's going to continue to

1211
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Speaker 1: be a public figure. He's going to say that you know,

1212
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: he's reformed and he got a raw deal and now

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be an advocate for women, for the

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: left or something. Right. Ironically, I think we'll probably be

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: hearing more from him than we did while he was

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: an elected official. There is certainly a soapbox that I

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Speaker 1: believe that he's crafted that he will remain on after this,

1218
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Speaker 1: and especially in light of his kind of partying shots

1219
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Speaker 1: right that he took it the president as well as

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Speaker 1: UM candidate Roy Moore for Senate, etcetera. UM, And if

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Speaker 1: I may, I would like to go into the Ethics

1222
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Speaker 1: Committee pro potential foremink that was going to exonerate him

1223
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Speaker 1: and butter So why not? Why not? Why didn't you

1224
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Speaker 1: just stand define say, let's wait to see what happens

1225
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Speaker 1: with that exactly. So for listeners, here is what that

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Speaker 1: would look like if Roy is elected. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: he said he's resigning in the next few weeks, so

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Speaker 1: there's no immediacy clearly in that decision. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: what comes down the pike for them in that regard.

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Speaker 1: But similar to Franken, Moore's allegations occurred before he was elected.

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Speaker 1: If he is elected, right, so that means that if

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Speaker 1: he were to be elect did that that is a

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Speaker 1: an electorate conduct pardon if you will, And also that

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Speaker 1: the committee would have to be analyzing something that happened

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Speaker 1: years prior that he years prior to him being elected,

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Speaker 1: and generally speaking, they dismiss complaints brought before them for

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Speaker 1: anything that happened prior to an election. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of this call that Franken made today on the floor,

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Speaker 1: we're not quite sure if that's actually going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of in terms of the kind of

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01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: self cleansing that the Democrats are now doing. And then

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01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: now we're seeing at trickle to the other side, well,

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot more still remaining given the slush fund

1244
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: that you and I have talked about as well, so

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,879
Speaker 1: there's there are plenty more remaining. The House is certainly

1246
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: not cleaned yet. Now there are some members of Congress

1247
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: who say they're going to open up the slush fund.

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Speaker 1: Referring to here, folks, is what has been paid out

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Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars, of course, for members of Congress to settle

1250
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: sexual harassment suits of one kind or another. We do

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: not yet, am late, correct me if I'm wrong, have

1252
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: transparency into that, and we could find out there could

1253
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: be uh skeletons stacked high in the closet on that one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they are like spilling out of the closet, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and you're right, we do not have that transparency. Now

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Speaker 1: pending in the House right now is a proposed bill

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Speaker 1: made this week too into um for transparency, including identification

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Speaker 1: of the past not only victims, but um those congressmen

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Speaker 1: who paid out from that slush fund. Now note and

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Speaker 1: remember that they all signed these n d A clauses, right,

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Speaker 1: the non disclosure agreements, these confidentiality agreements, and that that

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Speaker 1: ties into the lack of transparency that we have into

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: those millions of dollars paid out. Now, that bill also

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Speaker 1: calls for a refund to the taxpayers, which the forensic

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Speaker 1: accounting of which would be probably impossible in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But moving forward, the thing to note about that bill

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Speaker 1: is that whoever votes against it, that's public record. So

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Speaker 1: the irony is that by virtue of the vote, we

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Speaker 1: might be able to surmise who would be implicated should

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Speaker 1: the bill pass. You also have, right as we came

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Speaker 1: on air here the story about Arizona's Trent Frank's expected

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Speaker 1: to resign. This would be a Republican stepping down from

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Speaker 1: Congress for as yet unspecified conduct. But my senses, Emily

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Speaker 1: that whenever we start to hear the rumblings of someone

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Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill. It's all over for them career wise.

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Speaker 1: It's because they're not going to fight it because they're

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Speaker 1: done zo. I mean, it doesn't look like it's likely

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Speaker 1: that he's going to uh continue to stay in his post.

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Speaker 1: Is this just a function of the time we're in

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Speaker 1: right now where there's a particular sensitivity and the politics

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Speaker 1: are moving to strongly against this or do you think

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Speaker 1: it's also that there's a sense that a lot more

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Speaker 1: will come out and so people want to get ahead

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Speaker 1: of it, meaning like this Trent Frank's doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: wait until ten accusers comes out. He's like, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna step aside because I know there could

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Speaker 1: be assuming that this report is true, there could be

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of accusers, right. I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: probably impossible to state with specificity each case is the same,

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Speaker 1: because we've seen just from the few thus far, a

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Speaker 1: complete spectrum. Right Kanyer's kicking and screaming Franken, you know,

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Speaker 1: resigning himself to finally having to resign. Then we see

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Speaker 1: Trent Frank's getting ahead of it. Who knows what he's

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Speaker 1: getting ahead of Maybe it's one allegation maybe it's fifty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're now. I just feel like every case

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Speaker 1: has been so unique. The only thing that is similar

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Speaker 1: is that there have been multiple accusers in each case.

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Speaker 1: So I would think it would be fair to hypothesize

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Speaker 1: that there is more than one. But I mean, again,

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Speaker 1: who knows. We have legal analysts Emily Companio here in studio.

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Speaker 1: Let's switch gears for a moment. Emily. Just some follow

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Speaker 1: up to the Kate Steinley case. So there were there

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Speaker 1: were nonnalty verdicts for the for zarat In with regard

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Speaker 1: to the state murder charges involuntary man slower as well

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Speaker 1: as I think second degree murder. Uh. But now the

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Speaker 1: federal governments come along, they said, well, we're going to

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Speaker 1: charge him. How does that work? Right? They now have

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Speaker 1: charged him with one count of felony possession of a firearm,

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Speaker 1: so that's essentially what the state convicted him of, and

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Speaker 1: one count of an immigrant in possession of a firearm. Now,

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Speaker 1: both of those carry potential sentences of up to ten years,

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Speaker 1: so that could be twenty years that he is facing.

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Speaker 1: And you and I talked about this before. You know,

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Speaker 1: this might be one of those situations where the Court

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Speaker 1: of Public opinion was gravely disappointed with that jury's verdict.

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Speaker 1: And is this going to be an o j situation

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Speaker 1: where he gets put Zarat gets put in jail for

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Speaker 1: a really long time after the fact for something else.

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Speaker 1: Is that what's going to happen here? I mean, it

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Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But I want listeners to understand

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Speaker 1: that the reason he was not convicted according to the

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Speaker 1: jury and according to the defense counsel, is because they

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Speaker 1: didn't prove that he was brandishing the firearm. That they

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Speaker 1: didn't prove that he really that he had that intent.

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Speaker 1: And as you and I discussed, what was so nonsensical

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Speaker 1: about not returning in a verdict of an involuntary manslaughter

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Speaker 1: is because what he was convicted of, which is felony

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Speaker 1: position of a firearm. According to California state law, if

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Speaker 1: a if a death arises an accidental death arises from

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Speaker 1: an underlying felony, that's automatically involuntary manslaughter and not a

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Speaker 1: strict liability automatic but the to correlate and generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: then you're on the hook for involuntary manslaughter too. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you and I talked about why it didn't

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Speaker 1: make sense how he could be convicted of an underlying felony.

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Speaker 1: There was an associated accidental death, and yet he wasn't

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Speaker 1: convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Well, that is the basis of

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Speaker 1: his counsel's appeal for the conviction. So the first charge

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Speaker 1: that I just stated that the Feds are an out

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Speaker 1: prosecuting him for belony possession of a firearm. The state

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Speaker 1: is trying now or the defense counsel is trying to

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Speaker 1: eradicate from him against the state. They are saying, you

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Speaker 1: didn't convictim of involuntary manslaughter. You didn't find that connection,

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Speaker 1: therefore correct, it doesn't make sense, and therefore there shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been that original conviction. So his counsel there is

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Speaker 1: trying hard to even get that off the table. Note

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Speaker 1: for that charge, that is three years in jail, state jail. Alright,

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Speaker 1: Emily Companion, everybody legal analyst and go to Emily Companio

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Speaker 1: dot com for her latest And you gotta be on

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Speaker 1: Fox tonight tomorrow this weekend. Where can we work? Can

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Speaker 1: everyone see you? Right? Um, I'm on Twitter at Emily

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Speaker 1: Companio and we are. I will be on gut Fell

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Speaker 1: this weekend, So I hope to see these listeners through

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Speaker 1: the TV screen. Alright, fantastic, Emily, thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Today, we're gonna hit a quick break. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. A massive abuse of power by partisan

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Speaker 1: Democrat prosecutor meant to take down a Republican presidential candidate

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Speaker 1: and anybody tied to him, and to do so abusing

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Speaker 1: the law, breaking the law, and using the secrecy of

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Speaker 1: a peculiar legal practice in the state of Wisconsin. You

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Speaker 1: would think that this is a story that we'd be

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Speaker 1: talking about much more. I'm telling you about the so

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Speaker 1: called John Doe investigations of Governor Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: We now have and it is receiving very little attention

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Speaker 1: in the mainstream press for obvious reasons. Gotten closer to

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Speaker 1: the truth than ever before about just how corrupt that

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Speaker 1: whole situation was. This story is incredible for those of

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Speaker 1: you listening. I I want to just take take us

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Speaker 1: back to the origins of all this so that we

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Speaker 1: can understand together how outrageous this is. And also shouldn't

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Speaker 1: we look at this as a warning from the past

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Speaker 1: about what a prosecutor who is partisan and does not

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Speaker 1: have any accountability can do. Wouldn't we all immediately make

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Speaker 1: the comparisons then to what's going on now with the

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Speaker 1: Mueller investigation of President Donald Trump. So stretching back a

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Speaker 1: bunch of years, I forget what the or the exact

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Speaker 1: origin of the John Doe investigation. There we go. It

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Speaker 1: was back in and it was about a report of

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Speaker 1: stolen public funds. But what this criminal proceeding in Wisconsin means,

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Speaker 1: this John Doe investigation, is that a judge and a

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Speaker 1: prosecutor can conduct an investigation in such secrecy that the

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Speaker 1: individuals targeted cannot talk about the investigation. They might even

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Speaker 1: be barred from discutt saying with a lawyer what has

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Speaker 1: happened in the investigation. They cannot go to the press

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Speaker 1: and say they have been targeted. And you had a

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Speaker 1: couple of at least a handful of clearly Democrat prosecutors

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Speaker 1: District's attorney in Milwaukee, who realized that what started out

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Speaker 1: as a minor case about abuse of public funds could

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Speaker 1: be expanded and expanded and expanded until they were trying

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Speaker 1: to take down Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin himself. They

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Speaker 1: were prosecuting people for the pettiest of offenses. They were

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Speaker 1: coming up with completely strained and disingenuous legal theories to

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Speaker 1: justify the investigation in the first place, and they engaged

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Speaker 1: in pre dawn raids on the homes of of suspects

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Speaker 1: who were accused of no serious wrongdoing whatsoever except possible

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Speaker 1: coordination with a campaign. To give you a sense of

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Speaker 1: how crazy this was, at one point, these John Doe

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Speaker 1: power mad partisan prosecutors went after a woman and I

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Speaker 1: remember interviewing her on my show Real News a few

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Speaker 1: years ago TV on TV that she had used a

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Speaker 1: phone a cell phone inside a government building instead of outside,

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Speaker 1: and it had to do with campaign business for the

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Speaker 1: Walker campaign. They criminally prosecuted her for that. They threatened

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Speaker 1: her with prison time for that. This was a witch

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Speaker 1: hunt of the worst kind in contemporary American politics. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were just disgraceful, these prosecutors in their conduct, and

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Speaker 1: it was about more than just Scott Walker. We find

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Speaker 1: out this was about a few Democrat prosecutors who were

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Speaker 1: people of the left, using their powers, using what they

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Speaker 1: could to gather opposition research, opposition research on Republicans. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, now that we've had some reckoning and been

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Speaker 1: able to go through their files and see what in

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Speaker 1: fact was going on, here we saw that they were

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Speaker 1: keeping the private medical records of one of the Republican

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Speaker 1: targets of the John Doe investigations under the heading opposition research.

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Speaker 1: This is a complete and utter disgrace and we should

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Speaker 1: very much, we should very much speak more about this

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Speaker 1: as a country because this national applications. Remember Walker defeated

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Speaker 1: public sector unions, he defeated the recall, he was a

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Speaker 1: presidential candidate for the Republicans. It was a big deal,

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Speaker 1: and they were trying to take him down on anybody

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: around him. And the abuse of power here was disgusting,

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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting. And here's how high up this went. This

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Speaker 1: is from a piece on the Federalist dot com today

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Speaker 1: on this whole seriously, just the aftermath and the continued

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Speaker 1: looking looking into of the John Doe investigations. The report

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Speaker 1: identifies at least thirty five people for whom John Doe

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Speaker 1: investigators obtained complete personal email accounts, chat and messenger logs,

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Speaker 1: contact lists, and technical information. For example, the report notes

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Speaker 1: investigators obtained, categorized, and maintained over a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: emails between State Senator Leah Vouchmer and her daughter, including

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Speaker 1: emails containing private medical information and other highly personal information.

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Speaker 1: They were unable to determine why investigators ever obtained, let

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Speaker 1: alone save and labeled over one d and fifty private

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Speaker 1: and very personal emails between a senator and her child,

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Speaker 1: or why investigators placed those emails in a folder named

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Speaker 1: opposition research. Uh, you guys with me on this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean you see what you see what I'm putting

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Speaker 1: out there. They were going after Walker. Prosecutors operating on

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Speaker 1: what are is very similar in concept to a special prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: except it's even more secretive in Wisconsin. It's Wisconsin really

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01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: needs to reform this law. Uh. They we're trying to

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Speaker 1: be They're trying to have an impact at the national

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: level of politics. These prosecutors, they wanted to be heroes

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Speaker 1: to the left. They wanted to take Walker down and others.

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Speaker 1: Here's some of the others. Here's some of the evidence

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Speaker 1: that was compiled. Remember this is about not Russia collusion,

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Speaker 1: not anything really big. This is about coordination between a

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Speaker 1: campaign and outside groups, which is a hazy statute to

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Speaker 1: begin with, probably unconstitutional, But here it is from the report,

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Speaker 1: this eight eight page report about the John Doe investigations

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01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: that was released three hard drives in particular, contained nearly

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01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand unique emails and other documents email attachments,

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: for example, totaling millions of pages. The hard drives included

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Speaker 1: transcripts of Google chat logs between several individuals, most of

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: which were purely personal and sometimes very private conversations. They

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: placed a large portion of these emails into several folders

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Speaker 1: entitled opposition research or Senate opposition Research. These are prosecutors

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Speaker 1: everybody seizing records undercolor of law and then putting them

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Speaker 1: in folders that say opposition research. I mean, maybe the

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Speaker 1: Mueller team should be taken some notes here, because this

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Speaker 1: is basically what they're doing to They're just not a

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Speaker 1: sloppy about it. And as if that weren't chilling enough

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Speaker 1: it all, it continues here. Um. This report talks about

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Speaker 1: how they're deeply concerned quote by what appears to have

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Speaker 1: been the weaponizing of this John Doe proceeding by partisans

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Speaker 1: and furtherance of political goals. Indeed, it is difficult to

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Speaker 1: conceive why g a B needed any information from go

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Speaker 1: daddy dot com related to former Senate Leadership Association chairman

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Speaker 1: Ed Gillespie, or why staff attorneys wanted information held by

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Speaker 1: Google for Leonard Leo, executive director of the Federalist Society.

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Speaker 1: G a B is the government accountability board here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's astonishing. It is completely and utterly jaw dropping

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Speaker 1: what went on here. Although we've known for a while,

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Speaker 1: but now we just have more proof. You had district

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Speaker 1: attorneys who were using their prosecutorial powers to pull record,

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Speaker 1: to terrify people, to destroy everyone around Scott Walker, just

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Speaker 1: try to send people to prison for the most minor offenses,

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Speaker 1: and to rope in anyone who had contact with Scott Walker,

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Speaker 1: like Ed Gillespie for example, and their most private communications

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Speaker 1: communication millions of pages everybody. These prosecutors in Wisconsin were

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01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 1: compiling millions of pages for for what was there some

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01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: big drug trafficking scheme that they're trying to uncover. No

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01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: campaign coordination. It sounds as flimsy and lame as I

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01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: don't know Russia collusion, doesn't it. We can all see

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01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: the parallels what happened in Wisconsin based on what we've

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01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: heard recently about the FBI seems to be happening and

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01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: have happened as well with the Special Prosecutor, with Mueller's

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01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: team and at senior levels of the d J and FB. I.

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Speaker 1: The weaponization of prosecutorial power by the left is one

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01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: of the most troubling phenomenon in this country period right now.

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01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: It is a gateway to the destruction of any kind

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01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: of fair political contest, and it will also completely eradicate

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01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: any respect that we can have or should have for

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01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: the so called hallowed institutions like the Department of Justice,

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01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: like the whole notion of a prosecutor who is entrusted

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01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: with the power to ruin lives. That's what it is

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: to be a prosecutor. You can ruin lives. Some people

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01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: are gonna have to have their lives ruin because they

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01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: do very bad things and need to be punished. But

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Speaker 1: it's the power to also destroy the lives of those

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01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: with whom one disagrees. I challenge you to show me

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: similar abuses on the right with concern pervatives. I would

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: challenge you to show me where the investigations or the

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01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: prosecutor's offices across the country have targeted high profile Democrats

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01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: for no reason. This is a particular failure of the

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01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: progressive left and of the Democrats today. And you go

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01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: back and read about those those John Doe raids. Uh.

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01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: The prosecutors in Milwaukee should be uh. Francis schmidts Uh

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01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: is one of them. Former Special Prosecutor Francis Schmidt's and

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01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: others should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed. They are a disgrace

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01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: to the legal profession, their disgrace to the job of prosecutor,

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01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: and they have destroyed the faith that we should be

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01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: able to have in the notion of a nonpartisan, a political,

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01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: unbiased prosecutor's office. And it was all politics for them.

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01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: They were going they were going after Scott Walker. Everybody

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01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: the media doesn't want to talk about this story. They

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01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: were sending swat teams. I kid you not to kick

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01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: in the front door at five am of middle aged

1519
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: female bureaucrats so they could seize their computers and all

1520
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: their devices, so they could compile millions of pages of

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01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: information on possible Republican political opponents and then as prosecutors,

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01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: put it in a file called oppo research. This is

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 1: what we are up against, and I want to remind

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01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: you of that. And that's why you know, I don't

1525
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: think that Trump or his administration is perfect, but you

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: know what they are. They are fighters, and we are

1527
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: in a political street fight, and we cannot forget that,

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01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: and the John Doe investigations in Wisconsin and Scott Walker.

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01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: It's a reminder of all of that. All right, We'll

1530
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:59,440
Speaker 1: be right back, Stay with me. Was the Jerusalem Declaration.

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01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Trump's first move toward a deal of the century comes

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01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: to the Israeli Palestinian the process. We have an author

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01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: who asks and answers that question with us next Dominant

1534
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Green contributed to the Weekly Standard and his pieces up

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01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: on Weekly Standard dot com dominic. Great to have you back,

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01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: Great to be back back. All right, So what do

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01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: you think about this embassy move. I'm getting the sense

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01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: you think this is part of what could be something

1539
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: pretty special. Well, this is a very big symbolic move,

1540
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and you don't get nothing for nothing, And the question

1541
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 1: is what can the US expect in return? Well, what

1542
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: do you think? Well, the President said he wants to

1543
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: make the deal of the century, and he's had his

1544
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: son in law and emissary, Jared Kushner, flying back and

1545
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: forward not just to Israel, but also to Saudi Arabia.

1546
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: The entire Middle Eastern region is in somewhere between transition

1547
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: and other chaos. Iran is very much on the rise,

1548
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: and this piece of the jig saw the Israeli Palestinian negotiating.

1549
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: This is only one pieceto in a regional jigsaw which

1550
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: and everything is changing. So I would interpret it very

1551
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: much within that that some kind of progress or at

1552
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,959
Speaker 1: least commitment to progress and signs of movement on the

1553
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: peace processing track would be the obvious quid pro quote

1554
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: to ask for. So you think that this will give

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01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: President from leverage to push Nan Yahoo to actually start

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01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: the peace process. But how do you think you were

1557
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: talking about some of the regional dynamics. It's it's it's

1558
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: been a pretty dramatic shift in Israeli public opinion in

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01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: the way that they view the necessity for an an

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01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: imminent peace process. The Israelis, after the second Anti FATA

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01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: basically decided, look, we just don't want buses blowing up

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: and suicide bombers infiltrating weddings. We're gonna build a wall,

1563
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna secure this country. And that's why net and

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01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: Yahoo has been as powerful and popular as he has. Right,

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01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: So this is absolutely true. I mean, there is there

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01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: is obviously a desire for piece, but there is no

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01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: trust among the Israeli public for the kind of peace

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01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: processing that has taken up the last two decades and

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01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: which has cost so many lives. Um Nen Yahu, of

1570
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: course he knows this, and I assume that he's hoping

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01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: that the Palestinians will let him off the hook. Now

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01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,560
Speaker 1: the day of rage, I think it is supposed to

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01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: be tomorrow. According to Hamas right, there are some who

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01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: have already been warning about the possibility of violence from

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01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,759
Speaker 1: the Arab Muslim street I suppose, or from extremist groups,

1576
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: or or both, or a combination thereof, in response to

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01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: moving the embassy to Jerusalem by the Trump administration. What

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01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: did what are your expectations and what would it mean

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01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: if now we did see blood in the streets from

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01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: Hamas or a lined groups in response to this? I

1581
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: think it just proves that that Trump actually made the

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01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,440
Speaker 1: right move, quite honestly, because they're holding the process hostage

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01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: to violence. Well, certainly the terrorist groups are always ready

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01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: to go and always trying to commit terrorist acts, so

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01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: for them to find a pretext perhaps justify it in

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01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the eyes of some people, perhaps in Europe for instance,

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01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: who would be more sympathetic to them. Um so far

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01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: today there were no major events. There were there were

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01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: rioting and disturbances and so on, but nobody has been

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01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: killed as yet. As to what happens next, it's very

1591
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 1: hard to know because obviously this is a region which

1592
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: is already on a knife edge. These are political, religious

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01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: symbols of enormous significance to people, not just locally, so

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01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: there is always the possibility that things can spin out.

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01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: We're speaking to Dominic Green. He's a contributor to the

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01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Weekly Standard. He has a piece up. Was Jerusalem declaration,

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Trump's first move toward deal of the santury. Donic, we

1598
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,959
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes. But what do you expect

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01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 1: to look like with regard to Israel and its relationship

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01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: with the Middle East. You think things are going to

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01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,799
Speaker 1: get better, You think things are gonna get dramatically worse. Well,

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01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I expect some kind of commitment being made to further

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01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 1: peace talks with the Palestinians. The rise of Iran, however,

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01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: and the rising tension between Saudi Arabia, which is the

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01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: main sunny power among the Arabs um these are introduced

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01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: in an element of unpredictability. At the moment, the confrontation

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01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: between Saudi Arabia and Iran is growing and spreading across

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01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: the region. In recent weeks, the front moved, as it were,

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01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: to Lebanon, which is right obviously on Israel's northern doorstep.

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01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Um so there are plenty of factors here where the

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01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Israelis don't have too much room for maneuver. Now the

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01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Trump administration is no longer engaged in strategic patients, with

1613
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: North Korea not doing leading from behind in Libya, the

1614
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Red Line in Syria at least once was enforced by

1615
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Trump waras it had been abandoned by his predecessor. Do

1616
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you think that the Mid East peace process is going

1617
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: to be a prominent part of what Trump's, what the

1618
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Trump doctrine, is shaping up to be the The understanding

1619
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: seems to be that in order to get Saudi Arabia

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01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: and Israel on the same side, the Israelis have to

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01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: show some kind of progress on the Israeli Palestinian track.

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01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: The problem is, however willing they may be to try

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01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: it out. There's absolutely no possibility, in my understanding anyway,

1624
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: that the Palestinians are going to get themselves in the

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01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: coherent order in order to take part. I mean under

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01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: the Obama administration. They were given a ten month window. Really,

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01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: when the Israelis didn't build new settlements, Palestinians barely came

1628
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: to the table, and when they did, it was to

1629
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:43,759
Speaker 1: say no. So since then they've become even more disordered. Really,

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01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: so there's not much prospect, I believe, any way of

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01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 1: getting a result, even if you do force everyone into

1632
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: the room. I think you're right, But we'll have to

1633
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: revisit this later. Dominic Green of a Weekly Standard. Everybody

1634
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: check out his latest there. Dominic, thank you so much

1635
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: than you seem. Will be back in just if you

1636
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: wanted talk to you. A little bit of a follow

1637
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: up on our conversation about millennials and socialism. What's the

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01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: best book that a millennial socialist or want to be

1639
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: socialists should read? I'll come back with that after the break. Too.

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01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: Many Americans think that socialism is not so bad. In fact,

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01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: as I mentioned to you yesterday in the show, polling

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01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: now indicates that my fellow millennials, particularly the younger millennials

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01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: out there, are increasingly favorably disposed towards socialism. Well, I

1644
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: don't come on air here to yell and yell and

1645
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: scream and talk about despair. We analyze and we learn.

1646
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: And I think that one very important way that I

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01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,720
Speaker 1: could help in the discussion about socialism maybe to say,

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01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: what is the first book if somebody said to me,

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01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I want to get a sense of what the truth

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01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: of socialism is, what should I read? And I met

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01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: yesterday I started rattling off amber of books. I mentioned

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01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Witnessed by Whittaker Chambers, The Road to Serve to Him

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01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: by Friedrich Hayek for those of you who want some

1654
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: next level stuff, Milo Milovan g Loss for the new class.

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01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: There's so many excellent works that I could offer up

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01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: for you to read, works that I have read in

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01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: some cases multiple times and keep on or near my

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01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: desk as a It's kind of a reminder um of,

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01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, of of what can happen. I look at

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01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: those books and I remember what's in those pages, and

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01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: in any event, but the first book, if I were

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01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: to hand, if I were to hand one out to

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01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: my fellow millennials or to anyone listening, is a very readable,

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01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: very entertaining and short work of complete and utter genius

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01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:54,839
Speaker 1: by George Orwell. Animal Farm. I remember listening to Animal

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01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: Farm on tape when I was maybe in the sixth

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01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 1: or seventh grade, and then I've read it since hearing

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01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: it on tape as a as a junior high school kid,

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01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: at least two or three times in full, probably three

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01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: times now I suppose covered. It's only seventy This is

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01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: not a humble bread. It's only like seventy or eighty pages.

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01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: It's not very long. It is one of the most

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01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: important works, I would argue along with I mean, if

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01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: you put in the in the mix, then those two

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01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: books together are two of the most important contributions to

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01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: political thought in the English language or any language in

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01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. But Animal Farm is absolutely brilliant. And

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Speaker 1: I know that because it is written really as a

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01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: dystopian fable. In fact, it's initial it's initial title before

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01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: it was published widespread form, was a fairy tale. And

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01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: and if you start, you're you're reading about pigs and

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01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: goats and sheep who are talking, and it seems like

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01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: it's for kids. But it walks you through in the

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01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: course of its eighty or so pages. It walks you

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01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: through the truth of socialism, of totalitarianism, the nature and

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01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: ideology of a Marxist autocracy, how they assault reason, and

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Speaker 1: truth openly, how they use force not just to make

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Speaker 1: individuals comply, but to make them believe that what they

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01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: think they know is in fact no longer true. That

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01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: there is nothing that is objectively true. There is only

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01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: that which the Party, which is just a fancy way

1692
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of referring to those in power, want you to believe

1693
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: two plus two can equal five, as we see in

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01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,959
Speaker 1: Animal Farm and the constant writing and rewriting of laws

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01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: by Fiat, and it just it walks you through. If

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01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: you read Animal Farm, you understand why socialism fails and

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01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: is in fact immoral, and when implemented, will lead to

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01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: the degradation and destruction of the society in which it exists.

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01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: Um Snowball Napoleon. There are very clear analogies, very clear

1700
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: threads to draw between those characters. Two of the pigs.

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01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: The pigs lead the farm, of course, and Trotsky and Stalin.

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01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 1: Stalin who spent much of his much of his time

1703
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: once he had consolidated power, trying to hunt down heretics

1704
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: within the communist orbits, trying to make sure that there

1705
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: were no rivals for his authority, for his power, but

1706
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: the blaming of a totem of of hate you know,

1707
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the great traitor in this case, the pig Snowball, who

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01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: is chased off of the farm by nep bolly In

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01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: with his guard dogs. It's just brilliant stuff. I'm go back.

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01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: You know, when you have a quiet weekend coming up

1711
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: or over the holidays, you can probably download it for

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01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: free kindle version. You can, I'm sure, pick up a

1713
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: copy of it for cents at any number of bookstores,

1714
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 1: use bookstores. And it's only you could download a PDF

1715
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: of it for free off the internet. But Animal Farm

1716
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: should be required reading. And you know I always tell

1717
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: you these things about how I've had to learn this

1718
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: on my own of all the books I was assigned

1719
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: in my years and years in Catholic school, Jesuit school,

1720
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: private college. H did some graduate study of all of

1721
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: the books. You know, I was never once assigned animal Farm,

1722
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: or that I was never assigned Animal Farm is just

1723
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: unbelievable in retrospect, and I know a lot of people are,

1724
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. I had to find it on my own.

1725
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I had to read it on my own. And for

1726
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: all of you listening who just want a brilliant and

1727
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: quick dis distillation of what socialism truly is, Orwell's Animal Farm.

1728
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: We're back with Team Buck Speaks in a few all right,

1729
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: you've been hearing from me for a while today on

1730
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 1: the show, so it's that time, everybody for some Team

1731
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: buck Speaks. If you want to get in on this action,

1732
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: Facebook dot com, slash Buck Sexton, send me those messages

1733
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: on Facebook, or if you'd like to kick it a

1734
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: little old school Gmail, just right to official Team Buck

1735
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Or if you want to kick

1736
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: it really old school, you can send me a note

1737
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: via passenger pigeon, but it would have to or carry

1738
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: your pigeon. I think passenger pigeons are extinct. Carry your pigeon,

1739
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and I will only answer the code name Nostradamis though. Okay,

1740
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the requirement for passenger pigeon notes about what's

1741
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: going on here in the Freedom Hunt. All right, now,

1742
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: let's get into your thoughts. Rick writes in the following,

1743
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:13,480
Speaker 1: Hey Buck, I have had two carpet sharks. Oh man, Monday,

1744
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: I had to put mine to sleep. He was sixteen.

1745
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Rick, that's that stinks. Uh. He was missing

1746
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 1: half his face due to a pit bull attack a

1747
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: few years ago. They are crazy tough extremely smart and

1748
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: the best small dogs you could ever have. You should

1749
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: give them a serious look when you're ready for a dog.

1750
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: And that is from Rick. Well. First of all, I'm

1751
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: so sorry about your dog. I still remember. I'll tell

1752
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 1: you a story real quick. I was at the m

1753
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 1: IP Intelligence Division and I was a intelligence analyst there

1754
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: counter terrorism stuff. As I've told you, but I know

1755
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:54,759
Speaker 1: a lot of your like Buck, we know the resume,

1756
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 1: but some of you puts your first time listening to

1757
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,600
Speaker 1: the show. It's necessary for the story to understand what

1758
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: am I doing in an NYPD office? And we were

1759
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: in this kind of low visibility office in Manhattan that

1760
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: was there was always a bit of a divide between

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01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: the civilians like me, who were treated with a certain well,

1762
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: depending on if you asked, the uniformed officers. We were

1763
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: treated in a pampered fashion because there were only a

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01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: small handful of us, and we had experience that range

1765
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 1: from intelligence community CIA like me, people from Army Rangers,

1766
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: special Forces, uh, former FBI even I mean, we had

1767
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: people coming in from all over the place. Um, but

1768
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,520
Speaker 1: the uniformed officers always felt like we were treated very differently. Anyway.

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01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: I remember when I had I got the call from

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01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 1: my uh my mom that our Boston Terrier Dixie, my

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01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: beloved childhood dog that my mom got for us when

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01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: I was about thirteen or fourteen, and she had just

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01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 1: been with us through all the stuff, right, And when

1774
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: you've had a dog for thirteen or fourteen years, it's

1775
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: a it's a member of the family, it's a it's

1776
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: a furry little, furry little sister in this case for me.

1777
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:21,759
Speaker 1: And you know, the Boston was such a cute dog

1778
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: and it was such a important, a little part of

1779
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: the family that when she passed, yeah, of course I

1780
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: went and I saw her before. Sorry, I didn't think

1781
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: this was gonna be a sad team Buck speaks. But

1782
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,600
Speaker 1: Rick was telling us about his his carpet shark, his

1783
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,839
Speaker 1: toxins that passed away, and got me thinking about Dixie.

1784
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: And I remember I went, uh, I went back to

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01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: the office because I can only sneak out for my

1786
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: lunch hour after having said a final goodbye, and and

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01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: I had been I have been tearing up over it, obviously,

1788
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: I was. I was really bummed about the whole thing.

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01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: And I remember I got there and we had this

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01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: one sergeant who was just an an old school on

1791
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: the beat, NYPD, grizzled veteran cop, tough guy, old school sergeant. Right,

1792
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 1: and he came over and uh, and he could tell,

1793
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, you could see that I was a little

1794
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: shook up about something or whatever. And he's like, he's like, hey,

1795
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: what's wrong. I was like, the family family dog just

1796
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: just passed. I went to went to go see her.

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01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 1: And the sergeant said were you were you crying a

1798
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: little bit? And I said, yes, ours are not gonna lie.

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01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: I definitely, definitely was tearing up over the whole thing.

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01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: And he said, that's all right. When mine passed, I

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01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: did too. I always appreciated that, you know, I was

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01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: a sergeant, was a good guy. He was tough, but

1803
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: he was a good guy and he understood. Anyway, Man,

1804
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I love that dog. She was great. Okay, onto some

1805
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 1: serier subject matter here. Let's get into a note from Tommy.

1806
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 1: He writes, Hey, Buck, can we get a carpet shark

1807
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: T shirt added to the team Buck store? Maybe we

1808
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: can do Carpet Shark Week. Thank you for raising awareness

1809
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: about the dangers lurking in the deep dark. Shag rug

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01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: shields high, Tommy, I'm glad you enjoy our discussions of

1811
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: carpet Sharks. Alright, one more here from Katrina. Actually, we've

1812
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,440
Speaker 1: got a few more Katrina rights. Hi Buck. I absolutely

1813
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: love your show. I've been following you ever since Real

1814
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: News on the Blaze, it was GBTV back then, and

1815
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm eagerly awaiting the return of Commy Bear. I've reginally

1816
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 1: heard quite a lot about the Palestinian Israeli conflict from

1817
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: heavily Palestinian biased sources. I've always really appreciated your foreign

1818
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: affairs analysis and wondered if you could give a bit

1819
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 1: more information about the Israeli occupation quote as it's called. Specifically,

1820
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why the left leaning political world tends to

1821
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: you Israel as the aggressor, and what if any of

1822
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,520
Speaker 1: their claims about cruel and unjust Israeli treatment of Palestinians

1823
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 1: are true. Thanks for all your hard work. Shields High, Katrina,

1824
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Ah the There's no short way. There's no short version

1825
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: of the Arab Israeli conflict that I can give you

1826
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: that will explain all this, and I wish that I

1827
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 1: wish it weren't the case, but it's a it is

1828
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: a truly very complicated subject. I could say this, though

1829
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: the American left takes the position, takes the side of

1830
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 1: the Palestinians for a variety of reasons, not one reason,

1831
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: but really a combination of reasons. For one, they view

1832
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: Palestinians as non white, and the prevailing ideology of progressives

1833
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: in this country is that when you have someone who

1834
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 1: is non white, they are just de facto oppressed. You

1835
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: start with that, you also have Palestinians are not all

1836
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 1: There are Palestinian Christians. I remember going to a Palestinian

1837
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: Christian brewery in the West Bank. In fact, but Palestinian

1838
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 1: Christians exist, but they're obviously overwhelmingly Muslim. And the left

1839
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: beliefs that Islam is also because it is a global

1840
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 1: religion of primarily non white, non Western, non American individuals,

1841
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 1: although they're clearly Muslims in America and Europe. Uh that

1842
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: Islam is oppressed as well, and that the legacy of

1843
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: colonialism and the legacy of European, French, British and American

1844
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: oppression in the developing world in the Third World has

1845
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: found a profoundly destructive impact on Islam, and therefore we

1846
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 1: it's our fault that there are so many problems in

1847
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: the Muslim world and we owe them something. Then there

1848
01:48:54,120 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: is also a serious dose of anti Semitism that exists

1849
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: on the left, and that all factors into the anti

1850
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 1: Israeli sentiment that you see in descriptions of the Arab

1851
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Israeli conflict um and in terms of the occupation. I mean,

1852
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: this is all very complicated, but you go back and

1853
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: you see the uh. The Israelis have had to fight

1854
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: for their survival numerous times in the twentieth century alone

1855
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: against United Arab armies that were explicitly trying to eradicate them.

1856
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 1: So I will have to leave it at that for now,

1857
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: because otherwise I'll get really deep in the weeds and

1858
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 1: we won't have time for any other notes. But Katrina,

1859
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 1: thank you, and I will continue to follow that story.

1860
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,759
Speaker 1: Carol writes in Hey Buck, so happy you and Molly

1861
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 1: love New Orleans. If y'all are ever back and uptown,

1862
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: come say hello. We have a gallery on Napoleon Street

1863
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 1: in the heart of uptown Nola Shields High. Thanks for

1864
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 1: all you do Carol and Dave. Well, you know what, Carolin, Dave,

1865
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Next time Miss Molly and I are in town, we

1866
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: will swing by the gallery. How about that? So I'll

1867
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: make a note of it. Thank you very much for

1868
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 1: your kind offer, and thanks to all the folks down

1869
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 1: in New Orleans for being just so charming and nice.

1870
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: I really I've got to stop talking about how much

1871
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: I love New Orleans. Everyone else in the rest of

1872
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 1: the country is getna get tired of it. Now. I

1873
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: want to get into some of our Team Buck emails

1874
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: we have here, Robert writing in with the following, Hi, Buck,

1875
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: first time I heard you on radio was when you

1876
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 1: were at the Blaze and the show was the History

1877
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: Deep Dive about Lepanto. I've been hooked ever since. I'm

1878
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 1: a crane operator and I listened to three talk shows

1879
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: every evening, the great one, Mark Levin, Buck Sexton, Lars Larson.

1880
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you very well. I've watched

1881
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: your career skyrocket. You have even responded to me personally

1882
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter. You were talking about your swamp tour with

1883
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: Miss Molly. Fifty five or fifty four miles north of

1884
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: New Orleans is the Standard Space Facility. The base also

1885
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: has a special boat team twenty two. Those camps were

1886
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 1: our training ground. I can tell you how many nights

1887
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:11,679
Speaker 1: I've spent in them. Swamps survival courses, contract drills, et cetera. Yeah,

1888
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: it was never fun. Thank you for the way you

1889
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: run your show. Sincerely, Robert, Well, Robert, thank you for

1890
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 1: your very kind and an interesting note. I appreciate it.

1891
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 1: Harry writes in onto the headline Differences of Opinion, Buck,

1892
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I enjoy listening to you when I am able, even

1893
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: though we disagree on a couple of important issues. The

1894
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 1: first issue is some dogs are cute, but I would

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Speaker 1: never live with a dog. I am a cat person.

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01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: Cats smell nice because they're always cleaning themselves. If you

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Speaker 1: can smell a cat when you walk into a house,

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Speaker 1: it's because the owner is a slob, not the cat.

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Speaker 1: The second issue is eating charred Brussels sprouts. You Brussels

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01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: sprouts should be steamed until tender. Why hide their great taste?

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Speaker 1: Shields high, Harry, Harry, you and I are just gonna

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01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: have to agreed disagree on this one because I'm a

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Speaker 1: dog person. I don't have anything against cats, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like cats have something against me, and tried Brussel

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01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 1: sprouts are the best Brussels sprouts. Boo ya, all right?

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Speaker 1: Tyrone comes up here in a note from ann Oss

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Speaker 1: Here that's original Saturday Squad. I love when Tyrone speaks.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear him on a regular basis. Also,

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01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:26,639
Speaker 1: when is miss Molly going to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel like I know her and she

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Speaker 1: is prettier than Megan Markle and it would be nice

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Speaker 1: to actually hear her voice well and as very sweet

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Speaker 1: if you. First of all, Tyrone is on the show

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Speaker 1: on a on a regular basis, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: how to get him even more involved in in terms

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Speaker 1: of on air content. He's producing the show with Amy

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Speaker 1: every day. It's just the three of us that do

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Speaker 1: this show, Tyrone and Amy and buck Um. But Tyrone

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Speaker 1: is great and we're so excited that he joined us

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Speaker 1: a few months ago. And you will be hearing more

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01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:58,839
Speaker 1: from Tyrone. I assure you. As to Molly being prettier

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Speaker 1: than Megan Markle, tot to agree with you. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell Molly that tonight and I will get

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Speaker 1: some brownie points. So with that, I gotta close up

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Speaker 1: shop in the Freedom Hut. We will have a freestyle

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Speaker 1: Friday tomorrow. It will be amazing, it will be exciting,

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Speaker 1: it will be epic. Until then, my friends, no matter

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Speaker 1: what comes your way. Shields high