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Speaker 1: John Middle cop three Out podcast. How's everyone doing? Hopefully

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Speaker 1: and sometimes if the team's going wrong, they can be negative.

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Speaker 1: If the team is going good, they can be too positive.

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Speaker 1: But at least you have the tape to go off of,

431
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Speaker 1: so you go listen regardless of the offensive coordinator tells

432
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Speaker 1: me about the guy. I'm watching the guy on tape

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Speaker 1: and he's kicking the ship out of people or he's

434
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Speaker 1: getting worked if they love him. So I can just

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Speaker 1: make a determination as a scout, as a front office

436
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Speaker 1: based on the guys on the field. Well, I'm not

437
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Speaker 1: even gonna have that this year, so they're surely a

438
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Speaker 1: guy in Utah is a school like this every year

439
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Speaker 1: where they have a bunch of guys on a list

440
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, they're late round picks, and then

441
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you look up on the second

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Speaker 1: day of the draft and Utah's three or four guys drafted.

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Speaker 1: Because typically their team kind of like a Boisey State,

444
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Speaker 1: takes guys that are like two and three stars, and

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Speaker 1: then they developed, and they developed because they got really

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Speaker 1: good coaches, and then all of a sudden, those guys

447
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Speaker 1: get drafted by the Saints or by the Steelers or

448
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Speaker 1: by who ever, and they're starting year one and they're

449
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Speaker 1: a third round pick. Marcus Williams is starting safety for

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Speaker 1: the Saints. Remember you missed the tackle on digs like that.

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Speaker 1: These type guys they're they are not like coming into

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Speaker 1: the season viewed as like a Honey Badger or a

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson or just you know some of these Blue Julio.

454
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Speaker 1: The hype on those guys, they're always gonna be those.

455
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Speaker 1: But the majority of the draft is not that player

456
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Speaker 1: is not Chase Young or Nick Bosa. It's guys like

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Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw and all these guys. They exist at Michigan,

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Speaker 1: at Utah, at Washington, at USC at Iowa. We see

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Speaker 1: it every year and I listen. I I was listening

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Speaker 1: to Ryan Rastilla's podcast. He had Todd McShay. They were

461
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Speaker 1: talking hopefully about doing some sort of special combine, you know,

462
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Speaker 1: where they actually play some football, maybe a two week

463
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and all that stuff is great, and that

464
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Speaker 1: will I'm sure they'll have some additions like that. But

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why every year, during the combine, during

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, during the draft, prep every GM and

467
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Speaker 1: every coach, and some of this is bullshit a little bit,

468
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Speaker 1: but I think we all agree it is the most important.

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Speaker 1: The tape, the tape, the tape. How do you play

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Speaker 1: in the games, What did he do in the games,

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Speaker 1: How do you play in the SEC Championship, how do

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Speaker 1: you play in the big ten championship. How do you

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Speaker 1: play against you know, Wisconsin's defense, how do you play

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Speaker 1: against Oregon's offense? And it's not gonna exist. And you

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Speaker 1: could go off two years ago, but think about this,

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Speaker 1: when you are that age in the NFL, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, once you establish who you are, like your

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Speaker 1: three or four years in, that's kind of who you are.

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Speaker 1: In college, guys dramatically change, right because you're nineteen, you're

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Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one. Maybe it clicks for you mentally,

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Speaker 1: maybe you mature, maybe you get a little more focused,

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Speaker 1: maybe you realize, you know, I'm not gonna play if

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Speaker 1: I don't step it up. Whatever. We all have different motivations,

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Speaker 1: and we all have different reasons why it clicks and

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Speaker 1: why it doesn't click. But they of mind is every draft,

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Speaker 1: I'd say a large majority of players they get drafted.

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Speaker 1: There are some guys that go the other way. There's

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Speaker 1: definitely some guys that go the other way that have great,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, sophomore junior seasons and then the year they

490
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Speaker 1: declare they do not play as well. That definitely happens,

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Speaker 1: but I think it happens way more to guys that

492
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Speaker 1: just jump jump off the screen They're like, whoa, this

493
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Speaker 1: guy is a different player, and then he goes on

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Speaker 1: to have a really good NFL career. I think vander

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Speaker 1: Esh was a one year starter. Like Boise States, the

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Speaker 1: Mountain West is not playing this year, Vanderesh wouldn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: He was a first round pick. What what do you

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Speaker 1: do with vander Esh? There is no vander Esh this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't have answers. I don't have solutions. I think

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Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't even quite know. The only thing I

501
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Speaker 1: do know is it is going to dramatically impact the

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Speaker 1: way this draft happens, the way you know, where guys go.

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Speaker 1: And we talk all the time about this training camp,

504
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Speaker 1: right there are gonna be a lot of late round

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Speaker 1: picks that are cut that go on to be really

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Speaker 1: good players. And I don't think it's gonna be that weird,

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Speaker 1: like whoever your team is that does that, you can't

508
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Speaker 1: even get that bad. But I think there are gonna

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Speaker 1: be a ton of guys this year in the draft,

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Speaker 1: in two thousand one, in April, or whenever the draft

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Speaker 1: is this upcoming year that a guy might go on

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Speaker 1: like the undrafted that I mean, I'm it's gonna sound crazy.

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Speaker 1: Might have been a first round pick. Just think about

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Speaker 1: Vanresh not no chance, I mean, never played, wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been drafted. And now he's starting middle lineback for the Cowboys, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, he'd be like, oh, neck issues,

517
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Speaker 1: small school, and I mean he still has neck issues,

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Speaker 1: but at least when he's played, it's clear Vandersch is

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Speaker 1: a bawler, right, And there's just I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: crazy times. Okay, let's dive into a guy who goes

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Speaker 1: by the name of Robert Gronkowski, a k A. Gronk.

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Speaker 1: In my lifetime, probably when he was at the peak

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Speaker 1: of his powers, the most dominant, well rounded tight end

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, Say, Tony Gonzalez, you know, Shannon Sharp,

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Speaker 1: Antonio Gates, there's a group of them. When I think

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Speaker 1: those guys, I think more past catching, right that they

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Speaker 1: are receivers, great receivers, Tony Gonzalez greatest receiving tight end ever.

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Speaker 1: But when I think GROWLK, I think a well rounded

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Speaker 1: ass kicking machine. Obviously playing for the Patriots, being part

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Speaker 1: of that dynasty, being one of their best players and

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Speaker 1: playing with Tom took him to another level and then

532
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Speaker 1: his personality. But last year he took. He retired right

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Speaker 1: and two years ago he thought about retiring when Belichick

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Speaker 1: traded him or was going to trade him to the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Smartest thing he's ever done. I would never

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Speaker 1: trade play for Map Patricia or the Detroit Lions if

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to, and I had leveraged like him

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Speaker 1: and didn't necessarily need the job or the money. So

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Speaker 1: I commend him on that decision. Basically stuck the middle

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Speaker 1: finger at Belichick and Lions and said I'm not doing this,

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Speaker 1: and remember that piste off Bradey and it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: some drama. And then the next year he had clearly

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Speaker 1: already been thinking about it and he retired. And sometimes,

544
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Speaker 1: and I know this for me personally, my job now

545
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Speaker 1: is not physically taxing. I mean the only physically taxing

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Speaker 1: thing I may do is go on a jog or

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Speaker 1: ride the elliptical or my new UH spin bike that

548
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Speaker 1: I had delivered just because I needed to uh I

549
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Speaker 1: needed to get the cardio going. But like like most

550
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Speaker 1: people that have office jobs, it can be mentally exhausting.

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Speaker 1: And I saw this year with the coronavirus and everyone

552
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Speaker 1: kind of thinking that everything was gonna be canceled like

553
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Speaker 1: I was at a breaking point and I needed to

554
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Speaker 1: just take a couple of weeks to just take a

555
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Speaker 1: step back. Now, I kept doing this podcast. It's not

556
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Speaker 1: ultimately that heart of labor, but you hear people CEO

557
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Speaker 1: s and I saw it when I worked in the NFL,

558
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Speaker 1: Like summer break was a really big deal. People just

559
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Speaker 1: unplugged and got away. And it's hard for high achievers

560
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to unplug. I imagine many people listening even when you

561
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Speaker 1: go on vacation. If you play a big role at

562
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Speaker 1: your company, if you run your company, if you're a manager,

563
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Speaker 1: it's hard to just not think about what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I know this. I feel guilty in a weird way,

565
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Speaker 1: and I've gotten a little better at this when I'm older.

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Speaker 1: If I'm like screwing around for a week, like if

567
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Speaker 1: I just go play golf for the day, whatever, But

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Speaker 1: if I'm trying to detach for a week, it's one

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Speaker 1: thing in the summer, but like even in the fall,

570
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Speaker 1: like last year, my mom wanted to go to Hawaii

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Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving. I mean I took all my stuff recording

572
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: like three podcast there. Uh. It's just difficult, but it

573
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: is very healthy and oftentimes certain people really really need

574
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Speaker 1: a year away. And I think the year away for

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski is gonna be the best thing that ever happened

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Speaker 1: to him, because physically he was a shell of himself.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing with pro sports, like most jobs,

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Speaker 1: even if you are quote unquote burned out, it's mentally.

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Speaker 1: And I and listen, I know when I get burned

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Speaker 1: out mental you become a miserable s ob. It really

581
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: wears on you. I can't imagine being burned out mentally

582
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Speaker 1: and being physically just beat to hell. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Gronk was that last season in two thousand and eighteen

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Speaker 1: where he had forty seven catches and three touchdowns, and

585
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Speaker 1: we all watched him. He wasn't moving, he looked terrible. Now,

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Speaker 1: he had what it turned out to be the game

587
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Speaker 1: winning catch in the Super Bowl, but he was basically

588
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Speaker 1: at that season more of a glorified blocker, where the

589
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Speaker 1: previous season he had seventy catches and eight touchdowns, like

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Speaker 1: he was still a really, really good player. And then

591
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Speaker 1: he kind of fell off a cliff And I watched

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Speaker 1: him talk on the NFL network. There's a smile, there's

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Speaker 1: a glow to the guy. Take the year off, you

594
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Speaker 1: get to take a deep breath, you get to take

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Speaker 1: a step away, and then you get to come back

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Speaker 1: reinvigorated with a new coach, with a new vibe in

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Speaker 1: South Florida with a bunch of other skill guys. Here's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. In New England, he had to carry

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Speaker 1: the load, right, I mean, he was their red zone target.

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Speaker 1: He was. Now you could argue Julian Edelman. They're given

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Speaker 1: games and given seasons where he was their most productive guy.

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Speaker 1: But Gronk was the number one guy you game planned against.

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Speaker 1: Of all the skill guys. They never had a dominant

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Speaker 1: running back like he was by far their number one weapon,

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Speaker 1: and even on their best teams like he was their

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Speaker 1: number one weapon. And I think he kind of changed

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Speaker 1: the game where you truly look at tight ends like

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Speaker 1: that's the number one wide receiver even though he's a

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Speaker 1: tight end. And I know the forty Niners are like that,

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Speaker 1: like they don't have a number one wide receiver. The

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Speaker 1: number one target is George Kittle. He's the number one

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Speaker 1: guy at defensive coordinator game plans against. And I think

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Speaker 1: that can just when you're a physical player, if you

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Speaker 1: do it for a long period of time, and you've

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Speaker 1: had a bunch of injuries, it can drive you down.

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Speaker 1: Like Tom. Tom wasn't beat up physically, he doesn't get touched.

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Speaker 1: Tom was just mentally drained of dealing in Belichick. He

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Speaker 1: just wanted a fresh start. But physically I watched all

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Speaker 1: these videos he's he's always been spryed moving around line

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Speaker 1: like Tom just needed to get away from Bill. Gronk

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Speaker 1: needed to get away from football. He wasn't moving right.

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Speaker 1: And when you're asked to think about this as a

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Speaker 1: tight end, you don't make what top offensive tackles are,

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Speaker 1: what they make. You don't make what top wide receivers make.

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Speaker 1: Yet you are when you're his type player, you're dependent.

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Speaker 1: You were asked to produce at their level in the

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Speaker 1: passing game, especially when it comes to touchdowns and in

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Speaker 1: the red zone. And you're also asked to do what

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Speaker 1: left tackles do in the running game when it comes

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Speaker 1: to blocking. I don't know the most expensive players on

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Speaker 1: the other team, the defensive ends and the outside linebackers,

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Speaker 1: the pass rushers. It's a tough, demanding job. And watching

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Speaker 1: this interview with Brian Billick and mjd Now, Gronk is

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Speaker 1: always a you know a positive guy. He's always smiling,

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Speaker 1: he's always happy, he's always got that kind of goofball

636
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Speaker 1: vibe to him. But I saw a guy that just

637
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: like a new human being. And I can't imagine what

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Speaker 1: that feels like to be like, I feel fresh, I

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Speaker 1: feel great about my body because I'm still bigger than

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Speaker 1: everyone else. I didn't forget how to catch, right, I

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Speaker 1: just need to. And as he said, the first couple

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Speaker 1: of practices were really hard. You hadn't he I hadn't

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Speaker 1: practiced against a starting defense in a long time. Iron

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Speaker 1: Sharpen's iron right. But when you're a player of that caliber,

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Speaker 1: you get back in the mix pretty fast, especially when

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Speaker 1: you know the quarterback so and everyone on that team

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Speaker 1: is kind of dependent on him. In terms of the

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Speaker 1: other skill guys picking his brain about Tom, I would

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Speaker 1: not be shocked. Now. I don't think we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: some historic fifteen touchdown season from Gronk. There's way too

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Speaker 1: many players. But I think he will look much more

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Speaker 1: closely to the guy that he resembled in two thousand

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Speaker 1: seventeen when he caught eight touchdowns, caught seventy balls. But

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Speaker 1: just that like he has that production left in him.

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Speaker 1: Then the guy we saw in two thousand eighteen that

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Speaker 1: we just watched move and went, Is this the Rob

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski that I know and love? Is this the Rob

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski that will one day be in the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 1: That's moving not very well, that can't run route, they

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Speaker 1: can't get open, they can't run away from safeties. Because

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Speaker 1: I don't like watching this Rob. I like the star Rob.

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Speaker 1: Now he'll never be what he was two thousand and eleven,

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Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, early before his knees got all messed up

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Speaker 1: in his elbows. But I would not be shocked with

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Speaker 1: how excited Tom's gonna be, with how much juice Bruce

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Speaker 1: arians is gonna be, which how much is extra juice

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get when he looks to the left of

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Speaker 1: him and he see Mike Evans, When he looks at

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Speaker 1: the right of him and he sees Chris Godwin, and

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Speaker 1: then he looks across the line of scrimmage or across

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Speaker 1: his own offensive line and sees O. J. Howard or

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Speaker 1: Cameron brad on the other side. He goes, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to carry this offense like an NBA player,

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Speaker 1: you know, like what Lebron has to do every year

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Speaker 1: for his team. Is not or James Harden or you know,

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Speaker 1: star players on their team. Is difficult, right, you have

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Speaker 1: to carry the load. You are not allowed to have

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Speaker 1: down games. For the Patriots to be good, like Gronk

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Speaker 1: had to be good, he had to dominate in the

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Speaker 1: run game, and he had to dominate in the past game,

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Speaker 1: which for the most party always did. And I think

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Speaker 1: this year he can just not be on cruise control,

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Speaker 1: but just be a member of the team. And if

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Speaker 1: he's just a member of your team and he's healthy

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Speaker 1: and he's sprite and he still has the gigantic frame,

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Speaker 1: I actually think that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers might have

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Speaker 1: one of the great curve balls in recent memory in

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Speaker 1: this offseason retirement trade edition, obviously of Tom Brady, but

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Speaker 1: of Rob Gronkowski. Okay, let's dive into the Middlecoff mail

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Speaker 1: back at John Middlecoff is the Instagram. You guys know

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Speaker 1: the deal. Slide up in those d m s and

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Speaker 1: ask any question you want. Let's start with justin do

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Speaker 1: you think the NFL will do the same thing as

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Speaker 1: the NBA with the social phrases on the jerseys and

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Speaker 1: the black Lives Matter printed across the fields. I have

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Speaker 1: a feeling if they did that, they would lose a

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Speaker 1: ship ton of consumers. I like the NBA, but it's

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Speaker 1: hard to watch with all that's shoved in your face.

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00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: It's literally everywhere. I'm not against like what it's meant

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Speaker 1: to be as far as police brutality against minorities, and

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Speaker 1: I really don't think anybody is. But you add that

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Speaker 1: on top of the kneeling for the flag, it's just

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Speaker 1: going to tank in my opinion. Love the pod. By

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Speaker 1: the way, thanks, I would say there is zero chance,

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Speaker 1: so did not say zero. It's two twenty. I just

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Speaker 1: saw the Chiefs. You're not allowed to wear face paint

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Speaker 1: if it's painted like an Indian into into the stadium.

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Speaker 1: And I don't even know if they're having fans. Are

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs having fans? Yeah? I think they're actually having fans.

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Speaker 1: I did see that. Someone's like, I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: Chief's name next? You know? To me? Chief? Like chief

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Speaker 1: to me is like uh positive again, I'm not the

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Speaker 1: Native American lingo. I understand the Washington Redskins, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting rid of that. The Chiefs to me is like

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Speaker 1: being a chief is isn't that a positive thing in

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Speaker 1: the just in life, let alone the Indian community could

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Speaker 1: be wrong, but so I don't think the names in Jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you in the sense of I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, I I'm not I love the NBA. Love

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Speaker 1: would be strong. I still really like the NBA. I'm watching.

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Speaker 1: I like the playoffs, love the playoffs, and I love

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Speaker 1: seeing the Lakers loose. But it is a lot for

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Speaker 1: a lot of the consumers. When you got forty million

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Speaker 1: people unemployed to have and listen, I know people get

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this, but when you have really rich people,

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00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: you know if you haven't if you subscribe to the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Strauss wrote a great article on this. It's just

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Speaker 1: hard to get lectured NonStop by super rich people and

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Speaker 1: like their message isn't wrong, Like I, I understand it.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not offended by any of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: the stuff on the back of your jersey, like you

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Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, like I, I get it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm for it, Like I. Everyone should be treated

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Speaker 1: equal in this world, right, I I despise like ignorant losers,

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Speaker 1: but like I do understand people that the flag thing

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Speaker 1: I totally get like people are offended by the flag.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, but people do, right, and like the

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter thing, Like, it's just I get why

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Speaker 1: the league did it, because the players were putting a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure that they refused to come to the

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Speaker 1: bubble because they thought it would take away from everything

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Speaker 1: that was going on society. So the league had to

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Speaker 1: capitulate to them, like they understand this. It's not great

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Speaker 1: for business. And I saw a quote from Adam Silver that,

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Speaker 1: like some things are bigger than basketball and he's even

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable talking about it, but he knows. I mean, the

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00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: ratings speak for themselves now they've been down. But the

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Speaker 1: NBA is much more open to stuff like that because

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Speaker 1: they're a player run league, you know, and listen, like

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Speaker 1: I understand black lives matter in terms of like what

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Speaker 1: it means to me. Obviously to some people, it's become

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Speaker 1: very politicized, and it just can become these conversations go

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00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: out the rail so fast, like and that's where what

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Speaker 1: sucks about the n b A in the sense of,

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00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: like everything they're actually talking about is the right thing

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00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: to be talking about. Just sometimes the messengers like part

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Speaker 1: of the part of The elephant in the room with

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Speaker 1: the NBA is like they're in bed with China. Google

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Speaker 1: what China has been doing like the last six months.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty ugly what's going on. So it's like the

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Speaker 1: NBA is lecturing America also kind of a false sense

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Speaker 1: of importance because they struggle to get two million people

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Speaker 1: to watch, Like the NFL is dramatically more impactful in

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Speaker 1: America right now, just based on way more people watch.

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Speaker 1: And I think they saw last time with the kneeling,

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Speaker 1: though four years later the kneeling I think is gonna

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Speaker 1: land a lot different this time. I was thinking the

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Speaker 1: other day and listen, I've said over and over I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you neil. Clearly some people do. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking I just wouldn't even show it, like I

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Speaker 1: I would not put it on television. I just I

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Speaker 1: would just avoid it. And you can say some things

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Speaker 1: are bigger than football. This is a business. Their business

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Speaker 1: is to try to get people to watch football. They

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Speaker 1: are not trying to change policies. The NBA believes in

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Speaker 1: themselves as they're gonna change policy. I saw a headline

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Speaker 1: today Lebron James gonna campaign with Joe Biden, Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: recorded a video to speak at the Democratic Convention, like

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Speaker 1: the NBA believes their social change or like leaders in that,

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Speaker 1: Like the NFL is just trying to play football and

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Speaker 1: they really want to avoid all this stuff. And you

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Speaker 1: can say, well, politics and sports. The reason all these

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Speaker 1: sports have all this money are fans are fans. Without

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Speaker 1: fans watching these games, there is no money. The fans

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Speaker 1: are the bank because the reason they get these huge

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Speaker 1: media deals is because there are a lot of fans

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Speaker 1: that watch the game. The media companies would not buy

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Speaker 1: football if five people watched, just like Spotify would not

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Speaker 1: have given Joe Rogan a hundred million dollars if he

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Speaker 1: had a thousand people that listen to every episode. But

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Speaker 1: he has millions of people. So the reason these leagues

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Speaker 1: make a lot of money is because they have millions

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Speaker 1: of people in the NFL has millions more than the

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Speaker 1: other sports. And they don't want to lose those people. Why,

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Speaker 1: because they run a business. They are not like they

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Speaker 1: they talk and Roger Dale talked about that stuff just

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't like he wants everyone to be on

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Speaker 1: the same page. But it's hard in this day and

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Speaker 1: age because politics has become such a powder keg of emotion,

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Speaker 1: which listen. I I think my own personal opinion on

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Speaker 1: just politics in general right now is it's become so

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Speaker 1: black and white, like Joe Biden is gonna save the world.

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Speaker 1: Like listen, Donald Trump is nuts. But if Joe Biden, like,

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Speaker 1: what's really gonna change nothing? I mean it is crazy

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Speaker 1: as that sounds like, yeah, social media won't be as

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Speaker 1: explosive like we've seen it. Republicans come in, Democrats come

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Speaker 1: in the same ship. Happens Like I live in California,

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Speaker 1: poor people, we have historic poverty. You can't find an

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Speaker 1: apartment in a big city for like under twenty. We

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Speaker 1: have a housing crisis. So it's like and we're the

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Speaker 1: most liberal state by a mile. Uber just or lift

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Speaker 1: just quit. They just said no more in California. Why

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Speaker 1: because we created a stupid law about part time employees

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Speaker 1: and it literally like a million people out of work

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Speaker 1: right now. That means, like my my point always with politics,

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00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: we act like one side is gonna save the world

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Speaker 1: and the other side's evil, and then when if Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden wins, it'll it'll flip and it'll be the opposite.

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Speaker 1: It's like this, this is it's a constant cycle. It

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Speaker 1: always happens. But back to these sports, like the NBA

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Speaker 1: feels like once Donald leaves, the world will be saved.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is just consumed with making money. That's the

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Speaker 1: only thing. They don't even pretend to care. And that's

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Speaker 1: the problem with the NBA is they pretend about social change,

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Speaker 1: but they love China. I mean, they wouldn't give up

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Speaker 1: China if you pay them, but you'd have to pay

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Speaker 1: them a lot because in their mind, China gives them

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Speaker 1: a lot because they're losing a lot of the domestic

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Speaker 1: customers in America. Their consumer is all domestic. And I

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Speaker 1: hope everything in America eventually gets solved. I want racism

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Speaker 1: to end right. I want everybody to be treated equally.

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Speaker 1: I want everyone and I'm as socially liberal as you'll

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Speaker 1: ever meet. I don't get whatever you do in your home,

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Speaker 1: I want you to be happy and be able to

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Speaker 1: you in your home we're out in public or wherever.

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Speaker 1: I want you to be comfortable being you. But it's

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Speaker 1: just it's not the way it really works. Like Colin

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Speaker 1: always says, Barack Obama's anti gay marrorge like seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: I mean, things change fast, so just it's just a

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Speaker 1: crazy world we live in. So my overall take is,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we will see Black Lives matter like

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Speaker 1: that big. I don't think we'll see it on an

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Speaker 1: NFL field, to be honest with you. The decals, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the decals, but I don't think we

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Speaker 1: will see I doubt we would see like on their

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Speaker 1: on their names. I mean, hell, Lebron James didn't change

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Speaker 1: his name, left his name up. Question for the pot

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Speaker 1: we've already seen teams announced that there will either be

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Speaker 1: no fans in the stadium or they will have a

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Speaker 1: certain capacity of fans inside the stadium. Is the NFL

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Speaker 1: going to step in and say no one is allowed

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Speaker 1: to have fans in their stadium, similar to how they

853
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: handled the NFL Draft, telling everyone they had to were

854
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: from home instead of their facilities. My only issue with

855
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: this it's not so much competitive advantage of having only

856
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand fans inside the stadium, but this is gonna

857
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: be a financial advantage for some teams who are allowed

858
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: to generate revenue with having fans while others can't. What

859
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on how this is gonna look? Thank

860
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: you in advance for answering the question, Yeah, I mean

861
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: to me, they're already massive financial advant advantages, like Jerry

862
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Jones has a financial advantage over the Bengals or the Browns, right,

863
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: and certain owners have more money. To me, the financial

864
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: advantage the league gives you so much money from media rights,

865
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: you have the ability to pay coaches and players whatever

866
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: you want, so I I don't. To me, it's more about, like,

867
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: how could you allow fans inside the stands in some

868
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: places and not others for a competitive advantage? Just for noise? Now,

869
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people in a seventy thousand people venue, How

870
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: loud would that even get? Like if there's twenty thou

871
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: people at the Chiefs home open or is that even

872
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: that loud? I don't know, but to me, that's kind

873
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: of weird. Like me, personally, my move would be not

874
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 1: allowing any fans in because there are gonna be certain

875
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: states that like California, the California teams won't have fans,

876
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: The Raiders aren't having fans this year, Seattle is not

877
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: gonna have fans. Uh, The New York teams are gonna

878
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: have fans. I just wouldn't allow fans, and that way

879
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: competitive everyone has the same competitive advantage slash disadvantage, and

880
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: every team financially is in the same like I wouldn't

881
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: pick and choose allow some teams doing this and some

882
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: teams doing that. To me, I thought what they did

883
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: with the draft, I commend them equal playing field. I

884
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: would do that with the fans. Everyone same thing. I

885
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: love the show Big Cowboys fan and was marketing in

886
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: turn during the OHS the seventeen training camp in Oxnard.

887
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: Being there in person had me drinking the kool aid. Win.

888
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: In reality, we ended the season nine and seven and

889
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: no playoffs this year, with both sides of the ball

890
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: having personnel we do. I think it's a tangible goal

891
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: to make a deep run in the playoffs. Wanted to

892
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: hear your take. Thanks, have a great weekend. Gonna play

893
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: some golf this weekend as well. I can't wait on

894
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: playing tomorrow Friday. Played yesterday shot thirty nine. You know

895
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: she should have been about thirty seven. But can't chip

896
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: actually fixed my irons. I'm pretty deep off the tea,

897
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: but my my wedges. I am a shitty wedge player

898
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: and I got worth of wedges and I can't hit

899
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: any of them. God, wedges are hard. I would say

900
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. They are loaded on offense and Ceedee Lamb

901
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: to go with Gallup and Amari and Dac and Zeke

902
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: is pretty damn good, Like you can't ask for anything

903
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: more as a unit, and their offensive line is gonna

904
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: be solid defensively if vander esh is healthy. To go

905
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: with Jalen Rumors are Alden Smith looks fantastic. H obviously

906
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: what's his name? Lawrence Kid from Boise State, who's a

907
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: good player. You know. They lose Jones to Miami, but

908
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: their dB should be okay. If you have a good

909
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: pass rush, you can get by with average dbs. Not

910
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: a huge Mike Nolan guy defensive coordinator, But I do

911
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy. I think he's approved and head coach.

912
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you that they should be a double digit

913
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: win team. I think it's hard when you go to

914
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: training camp and the teams that are your seventeen team,

915
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: when you do have a lot of talent on the team,

916
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, like the difference between being a nine win

917
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: team and an eleven win team could be like three

918
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: or four place, right. I bet if we really dove

919
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: into the seventeen season, they're probably two games where they

920
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: funked up in the fourth quarter. So the difference, Hell,

921
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: a nine win team and a twelve win team might

922
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: be a series here in a series there. So you know,

923
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys have been really good talent wise to

924
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: me for the last three or four years. Jason Garrett

925
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: just was awful and their coaching staff. But I mean

926
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: Jason just wasn't good enough. Now we'll see with Mike.

927
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely pressure on them. Um, it's tough

928
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: first to be a first year head coach though you

929
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: haven't worked with these players. You get a short training camp,

930
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: you get no preseason games. I'm with you, the the

931
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: pressure is high, but man, it's it's not gonna be

932
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: s love the pod US Army working out of of

933
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, so provide my weekly football fix and

934
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: we appreciate your service here on the Three Out podcast,

935
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: Go America. For the Seahawks player who was caught and

936
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: cut last week for trying to sneak a girl into

937
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: his room dressed as a player, reminds me of Hard

938
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Knocks wh Jeff Fisher cut some linebacker who brought a

939
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: girl into his room overnight. What's your most outlandish reason

940
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: for a player being cut from camp that you encountered

941
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: are working in the league. I don't remember anything crazy,

942
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: uh we. I mean we had some good players getting

943
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: trouble at training camp, but they weren't getting cut. I

944
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: think it's something simple like pulling your phone out in

945
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: a meeting room, showing up late to a meeting because

946
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: you're not good enough, looking at a coach a weird way,

947
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: and the coach hating him and just saying I want

948
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: to get rid of this guy. Like to me, a

949
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: lot of things, like you don't need to sneak a

950
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: chick into your room to get tossed at a camp.

951
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: It can be a subtle as the position coach just

952
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: hate you and you're not good right you just the

953
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: GM is tired of your Like I think we had

954
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: some that practice guys just not practicing hard. An undrafted

955
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: free agent not putting in high effort. See you, you're gone.

956
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: I never was a part of like dude smuggling and

957
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: weed or you know, doing something kind of funny slash

958
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: shady slash newsworthy that I remember, but it's also my

959
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: short term memory and long term memory or just kind

960
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: of crappy right now. Any sport, but mostly football. I

961
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: figure being a mostly being a former scout, you look

962
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: at talent more than anything. But you who's some players

963
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: that made you fall in love with football and sports

964
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: in general? Okay? Oh, some of your favorite players from

965
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: when you were growing up got you? I'd say Steve Young,

966
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. You know, I grew up in northern California.

967
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: The Niners were the ship, So I love those guys. Uh. Obviously,

968
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are probably my two favorite

969
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: athletes by far. I loved Bear Bonds. I know some

970
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: of you may hate him, but when he plays for

971
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: your team, you know he's my guy. Uh, So I

972
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: go Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Steve Young, Jerry Rice. I'd say, uh,

973
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I'd say who else? I love cal Ripken, I love

974
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: Ken Griffy Jr. Like when I was a kid in

975
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: the early nineties, baseball stars were huge. I loved and

976
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean loved Kan griff Jr. But I mean what

977
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: kid didn't, So I'd say kind of the early nineties

978
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: star players Michael Jordan, Kand Griff Jr. Barry Bonds, Steve Young,

979
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice probably my crew. I mean, I like Shack,

980
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: I was I was a big shot guy. Uh, I'd

981
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: probably be the names that jump out to me. Pretty

982
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: solid little list. There's a lot of buzz out of

983
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: Dallas that there could be three legitimate thousand yard receivers

984
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: this year in Cooper, Gallup, and Lamb. How realistically how

985
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: realistic do you personally think that is? I think it's

986
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: borderline impossible. I think anytime you can get two thousand

987
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: yard receivers, you have an incredible offense. I remember the

988
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Raiders did it a couple of years ago with the

989
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: crab Tree and Cooper. It was a year I think

990
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: they went. They went twelve games. It's hard to do

991
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: man three receivers, especially when one is a rookie. I

992
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if they If they had three thousand

993
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: yard receivers, I'd say they have the best offense in

994
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: the league because they also get the ball to the

995
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: running back a lot. Now McCarthy historically just I'd have

996
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: to go back and really dive into the numbers. But

997
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I remember one of the knocks on him for a

998
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: couple of years there is he like, didn't run the ball. Now,

999
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: when you have Zeke and they're paying them all that money,

1000
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: and he's just a bruising guy, especially if you have

1001
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: leads late in the game. I don't think it's happening, though.

1002
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: I do think CD is going to be a stud

1003
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: and their offense should be really good. I'm actually I'm

1004
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: actually really excited to watch the Cowboys. Remember last year

1005
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: I kind of hated the Cowboys. Now I kind of

1006
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys again. I found your podcast via Collins

1007
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: podcast feed. I love him, man, appreciate it. What's your

1008
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: take on Big Ben this season returning from injury. He's

1009
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: supposedly hungrier than ever according to the media, but that

1010
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: always the case for the pro athletes. Agree. Like I

1011
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: said earlier in the podcast, I think we have to

1012
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: be a little careful with just the over the over

1013
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: hype on how excited and skinny and explosive every single

1014
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: guy in the league is. But I'm with you, Ben

1015
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: does look skinny. Uh. However, Roethlisberger is very prone to

1016
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: midgame injuries and returning in the fourth to pull off

1017
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: the wind. If he's too fragile for that, now, is

1018
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: it time for the Steelers to look for a serious replacement.

1019
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Rudolph is the move, do you? I don't.

1020
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't want another wasted season in Pittsburgh. The problem

1021
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: is what do they do. They're kind of all their

1022
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: chips from in the middle of the table on Roethlisberger

1023
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: playing this season. If Roethlisberger can just be a solid,

1024
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: functional starting quarterback, the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to the playoffs.

1025
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: If he gets hurt again, they're screwed because last year

1026
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: I thought they were way more screwed than they actually were.

1027
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: But their defense was awesome because they got why Brother,

1028
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: who's a stud They traded for Menca. Their defense was fantastic.

1029
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: Their quarterback situation was atrocious. So if Roethlisberger can just

1030
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: come back and they can figure out how to run

1031
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: the ball like, the Steelers could be a twelve win team.

1032
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: But at thirty eight years old, you know his I mean,

1033
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just would bet against it.

1034
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: I just I can't feel confident based on the information

1035
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: we have a Roethlisberger not getting hurt during the season.

1036
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: I can't do it now. I don't know what the

1037
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: injury will be. That's a part of getting old. I

1038
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: remember Carson Palmer told me, He's like, once you get older,

1039
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: you just get hurt more and it's harder to rehab.

1040
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: He's like the Roethlisberger when he was younger. You know,

1041
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: you say what you wanted is drama queen or whatever.

1042
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: He could always battle back from injuries. I I don't

1043
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: know if I see that in the cards this year.

1044
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very, very difficult for him

1045
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: to stay on the field, which sucks because I want

1046
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: to watch Steelers and I would love for them to

1047
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: be good, but they are just so dependent on that individual.

1048
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: They have no chance, to me to make the playoffs

1049
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: unless he gives them I don't know, twelve starts at least,

1050
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: and then even if you get in the twelve stars,

1051
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: they probably gonna win you know, nine or ten of

1052
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: those games because it's hard for them to win the

1053
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: games without I think Mason Rudolph stinks. Just give me

1054
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: a break, especially if the Browns are better this year.

1055
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's gonna be difficult. I appreciate

1056
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: everyone listening. Have a great weekend, Stay safe, uh and

1057
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: just uh and be happy. That's that's I'll end you

1058
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: on that. Be happy and I'll talk to you soon. Peace.

1059
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: See it. M