WEBVTT - Big Daddy Data with Karina Longworth 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:07.520 It's nine fifteen pm at one thirteen East Street and 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:26.239 you're listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.960 a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.720 Tess Lynch in Los Angeles, and with me is special 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.559 guest Karina Longworth Hi over in New York. We have, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:42.000 as always Emily Oshida. Hi guy, Hi. I'm so excited 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.800 to have Karina on the show. It feels like it's 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.000 been long overdue. Yes. Absolutely, And for those of you 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.040 who do not know, who have been living in a 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.520 cave Karina hosts, you must remember this a really, really 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.680 great podcast about Hollywood history and scandal and all sorts 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.200 of juicy stuff that is, uh, it's on hiatus right now, correct, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.920 But yeah, but if you haven't listened to it, you 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.040 can go back and discover a whole wealth of podcast 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:12.280 episodes past. You should also read her books. Her newest one, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.000 I believe is Seduction, Sex, Lives and Stardom and Howard 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.240 Hughes Hollywood and it's amazing, so you should definitely get that. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.040 But yeah, I think you must remember this is definitely 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.880 like Night Call adjacent. We've all been big fans for 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.920 a long time. So we're really happy to have Greena here. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.119 Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I'm a fan 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:33.039 of Night Call Boy. Thank you. I'm so excited to 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.960 talk about erratic thrillers. Oh yeah, it's like, it's really 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.600 It's really great how much this series of ours has 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.360 brought people out of the woodwork, Like there are a 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.000 lot of kind of secret enthusiasts who are like, oh, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.480 when are you gonna do mine? Like my favorite. Um, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.160 we wanted to start off real quick just to acknowledge 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:58.400 our new superstar, the literally the black hole that was imaged, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.760 i should say, for the first time last week, So 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.440 this is sort of old news by the time you're 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.360 hearing this, but we just wanted to give it a 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.120 little bit of a shout out. Where were you when 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.560 you saw the black hole for the first time? The 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.440 black hole blip? Yeah, where were you, Karina? I think 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.960 I like was I had just turned on the shower 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.440 and I was waiting for it to heat up and 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.800 I was looking at it on my phone. Nice, oh dangerous, dangerous. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.720 I live that way too. This black hole has a name, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:24.880 and it's what has a couple of names. Actually, it 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.880 just got a Hawaiian name, but it's um, it was 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:32.000 originally m S. Star. You know how it took me 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.120 to realize that m AD three the musical act slash 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.400 band was named after a star system. I oh, it 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.160 took me until I was today years old. Wherever. Well, 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.720 it's a really beautiful one, so he puts a good one. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.959 But it's very appropriate once you think about it, because 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.919 it's a very galactic music, Like you feel very starry 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:54.480 eyed when you're listening to it. But I had no 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.760 idea until like a year ago. So um, but yeah, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.160 M eight seven is the new, the new hot galaxy 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.520 in town. I know that there's been a lot of 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.079 little mini stories coming out about it, and like the 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.440 the the woman who actually was kind of spearheading the 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.880 entire project too, was kind of credited later on down 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.320 the road. Of course, we tend to lose credit for 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.880 our women in stem and astronomy and stuff like that. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.400 But that was interesting. But I think, like, I like 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.880 just reading what people felt seeing it for the first time. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.600 What kind of reactions did you see? I missed this. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.800 I think Jezebel had a good post where it was 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.160 just like they just opened up the comments and said, like, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.880 tell us how you feel about the black hole. And 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.280 of course a lot of it is jokes, Like a 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.800 lot of people had a lot of good jokes about 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.320 the black hole. But I think, I think it's interesting 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.040 because it's something that you know, you feel like you've 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.160 seen a billion times because we've seen like recreations of 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.520 them in sci fi movies or you know, in in 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.720 you know, a time life science book or something like that. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.520 Like you kind of know what a black hole is 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.440 supposed to look like, but actually seeing an actual is 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.520 very It is an interesting feeling. I like it. I 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.640 like I like to ponder the black hole. It kind 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.640 of looks like like an ultrasound image of an eyeball. Yeah, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.920 a little bit, you know, with like all that kind 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.200 of strata and the like orange e kind of background. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.560 It's a little bit too much for me. I think 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.400 we've we've now been talking about the the ultra black 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.560 holes on the floor, you know, and now black hole. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:29.920 Like there's been a whole kind of broadcast holes, art holes, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:37.800 black holes, Molly's fear of holes, little holes, the little holes. Um, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.120 after we finished the Erotic Thrillers, we should just do 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:45.279 holes and then we could do the movie holes. Um, well, 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.920 please give us a night call at one two four 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.560 oh four six night and tell us how the black 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.120 hole made you feel, or any other thoughts you might 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.640 have about the black hole. We welcome them all. The 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.279 black hole is evergreen content. I feel like it is 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.160 literally I mean yeah, it's time less literally yes, yeah, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:15.520 and spatially expanding. Eight twelve. This week's episode of Nightcall 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.720 is brought to you by Cheers Health. So it is spring. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.800 It's time for everybody to come out of their hibernation 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.839 holes and socialize again and remember what it feels like 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.760 to have human contact. I know that I've been doing 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.520 a lot of that recently. It's weird, it's uncomfortable. 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UM, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.679 namely the Bloomberg article that came out last week about 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.480 Alexa and other home I guess, wait, what's what's the 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.120 general term smart smart home device? Smart home devices? Um? 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.320 Apparently there's an Apple one I've never heard of, so 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.839 I guess they're not doing a very good job with 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.680 that one called home Pod. But um, but there's also 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.520 the Google home but Alexa. I feel like it is 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.120 the one that everybody has in the Echo. Um do 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.560 I have if you have an Alexa or Echo? No? 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.520 But my phone like always thinks I'm talking to yes 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.360 like serious series, always trying to just like wedge her 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.360 away into my conversations. I'm surprised she didn't just say something, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.000 but I like, I had dental work done last week, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.439 and for some reason, Siri kept thinking I was saying 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.880 her name more than usual because I was like mumbling, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.360 so any time I would say anything that with an 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.640 S sound, she would be like, I don't understand. See, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.760 I thought I had the serie thing turned because I 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.720 can actually see some use for that if I am, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.240 you know, washing the dishes or cooking something, and I 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.240 just need like to to know what time. It never works. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.040 It never were what you want. Like, she never is 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.040 actually helpful. She's never able to like find like the 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.559 contact you wanted to find, or put on the podcast 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.360 you wanted to put on. Whenever I'm like, tell me 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.640 how long it's going to take to get to blank place, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.280 She's like, do you want me to make you a 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:51.679 reservation about what I asked wants to smart things. I 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.559 don't like the smart I turned Siri off and I 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.320 thought she was completely off, and then she was like hello, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.880 and I was like, no, you're off. But I got 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.800 really creeped out about privacy. Not that I really have 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.000 any secrets, but um I tried to like lock everything 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.880 down a while ago. But a friend of mine just 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.840 said that she that Alexa. She's a teacher and Alexa 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.600 was like chiming in in her classroom with like some 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.880 racy content. Yeah, I mean, it's just Alexa. None of 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.160 them have any tact terrible. So this article that came out, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.679 it was it was by a team of people at Bloomberg, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.440 Matt Day, Giles Turner, and Italia Drosdiac. The difference between 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.200 like having Syria on the phone, it's like you're going 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.120 to get a phone anyway, and it's like a piece 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.559 of software that comes on the phone that you theoretically 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.240 can disable. But Alexa is expressly for the purpose of 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.840 having a robot that listens to you and takes your 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.440 data and uses it to quote get smarter. And so 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.440 this was a report they did where they talked to 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.600 a lot of people who worked at these centers somewhere 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.079 within Amazon itself, and some of them are outsourced to 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.480 other companies where in a way, I feel like we've 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.040 seen a lot of stories similar to this in recent years. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.439 There are people whose job it is to just listen 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.679 to your recordings, like listen to the stuff that UM 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.920 all these alexis pick up, because it's not just a 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:14.560 robot that is artificial intelligencing its way to tell you 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.600 about a restaurant that you might want, may or may 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.720 not want to go to. A lot of times these 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.560 are going to actual humans who then UM figure out 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.520 what to do with that data or try to get 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.199 better at recognizing what you're saying and why you're asking 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.199 certain questions and stuff like that. But like in the meantime, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.200 of course, they pick up all sorts of stuff that uh, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.640 you might not actually want anybody to hear, such as 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.200 uh in one case in the report a sexual assault 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.200 or probable sexual assault UM, and it talks about the 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.680 people who work at these centers picking up on this 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.280 stuff and sharing it with everybody, and I guess like 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.560 a slack channel or something, but it's not like for 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.959 means of reporting it it's like they just talk about like, yeah, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.079 you're stressed out because you heard this, so you want 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.200 to share it with people, or like you want to 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.520 make fun of somebody singing in the shower that it 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.839 picked up or something, which is like really creepy. I 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.000 don't know, Like it would be one thing if it 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.600 was like, oh, we heard this and we need to 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.400 figure out what legally were you know, what we need 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.080 to do around what we think we're hearing right now. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.920 But a lot of times it feels like it's just 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.280 like l O l um or oh my god, isn't 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.360 this creepy? And and nothing being done, Not that I 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.360 think nothing. You necessarily want the authorities to come in 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.120 Russian help you or something because your robot heard you. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.400 But I don't know it was I'm sure the robot 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.640 is not that great at like determining concerns. No, not 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.160 at all. But like you know, the robot picks it 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.320 up and then the humans hear it, and then you 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:52.920 have a morality question where before there perhaps it was 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.640 a different morality question. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.280 I just think it's wild that anybody paid to put 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.160 these in their how like you're like doing the work 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:08.560 for like you're paying where wire it's just um. There 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.480 were a couple of other articles this week too, which 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.920 will now be a week old for listeners, but you 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.440 can I'm sure there will be three more articles about 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.400 the exact same thing. Um. One of them was How 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.360 Capitalism Betrayed Privacy by Tim Wou in The New York Times, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.640 which kind of talked about how privacy was initially thought 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.360 of as being kind of like a rich person's you know, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.040 only rich people had access to it, and you know, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.760 poorer people lived in more of like a communal living 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.760 with less expectation of privacy, and then gradually how the 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.640 rise of the middle class afforded more people the right 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.000 to privacy, and now because the gatekeepers are all interested 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.920 in our data and behavior, that it's kind of turning 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.679 around where the expectation of privacy is no longer like, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.800 you know, it's being kind of eroded. And then there 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.439 was also a really scary article CNBC I think reported 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:02.280 that organizations are starting to track and movement and Amazon 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.920 and Walmart of both, yeah, they have like the patents 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.600 on the kind of um, their censors that track both 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.560 movement and are listening for like the rustling of bags 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.880 and conversations between the cashiers and the customers and the 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:22.520 bat scanner. Yea, I hate Yes, it's horrible. Um, it's 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.400 very interesting because these things are all so terrifying when 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.800 you kind of come across them and they've been going on. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.720 I mean, if you start to look up about how 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.160 long people have been saying like, oh, I think my 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.239 phone is listening to me, despite the denials of these companies. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.080 We started talking about it a few years ago. It 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.040 had already been a discussion for years before that. But 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.080 it's just bizarre how little there is to grab onto 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.680 even now in terms of, you know, like a really 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:55.360 trustworthy conversation about whether or not that's true. Um. Yeah, 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.080 I mean I feel like everybody's opinion now about whether 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.840 or not their phone is listening to them, especially Karina. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.080 Where do you fall? Oh, definitely, my devices are absolutely 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.600 you know, I know because of the ads I get 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.400 stuff right, like it will be extremely bizarre of almost 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.960 even like not saying things out loud, just feeling like 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.040 did I say that out loud? Like I thought I 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.120 just thought that, and then it's like, well, you know, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:23.760 you could buy a you know, steampunk laundry hamper. It's 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.160 like you've done enough other actions that like algorithmically would 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.160 lead you to the steampunk laundry hamper, Yeah, which I 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.960 did buy. What is that? Like? What is that? The 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.160 aesthetic is more like it's like what would be in 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.400 the Orphanage and return to Oz. It's like like a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.480 metal sort of wire thing with wheels and then like 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:48.200 a big canvas bag inside and no gargoyles or no, Okay, 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.720 I mean I could I guess I could attach me 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:55.720 like umbrella, like like really like fire like umbrella. Yeah, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.040 not a bad idea. Yeah, I I feel like I 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.520 remember me into so much resistance about this, or people 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.560 really acting as if I was a conspiracy theorist, like 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.440 that was the only thing I really seriously, I think 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.680 honestly believed something kind of in that realm that felt 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:16.400 conspiracy ish and was not universally met with people being like, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.600 oh yeah, though, that's definitely happening. Like when I was 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.320 working at a tech side, a lot of people were like, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:26.640 that's a common uh crack pot conspiracy and you are 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.840 dumb for thinking that. But now I mean I don't know, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.320 like I don't know where the consensus is on it 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.000 now because I feel like more and more people are 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.480 just like reporting these things. You see it like every 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.200 single day. Um, why do you think people get defensive 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.080 as if it's not a thing. It seems as obviously 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.280 a thing. It's obviously a thing, and yet people are like, no, no, no, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.800 you have to believe it's not a thing, which seems 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.080 to me to be a very crazy stance because they 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.560 see people who have bought in so much to like 0:16:54.880 --> 0:17:00.040 overall tech culture, where they've they have put enough of 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.760 the chips on the thing of like I am going 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.479 to get into the lifestyle where I do get all 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.200 the things. I'm an early adopter and everything. I'm going 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.040 to put all my dad on the cloud and it's 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.640 owned by Google or Apple or whoever. Um. And this 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.720 is like not just a choice of convenience or something. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.400 This is kind of like a it's like a principle. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.720 It's like it's like it's like a lifestyle choice. It's 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.520 like a set of beliefs. And so if you're if 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:31.639 somebody questions the I don't know practicality or you know, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.320 how how wise it is to actually do all of 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.760 this stuff, that it does start to feel personal. I 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.680 think for people. Yeah, I think. I mean, at one 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.439 point it was all of that stuff was like viably utopian, 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.760 and now it just seems like there's no way you 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.920 could not see it as dystopian. R Yeah, it's like 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.240 it's like like new codes or something, like you've created 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.120 this thing that you know is now potentially much more 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.200 could if if it were to follow in the wrong hands. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.720 If it's not all get the wrong it's already in 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.520 the wrong hands. Whose hands could be worse? There's no 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.200 there's no right hands and any late capitalism there's This 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.560 is like tangentially related because one of the things I 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.680 also always would pick up on is that, um, I 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.440 would talk about something like a place or a business, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.640 and then it would pop up on my Google Maps. Um. Yeah, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.480 it wouldn't be a place I had gone. It was 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.280 just a place maybe I was talking about with somebody. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.800 And now Google Maps, when you're doing directions on it, 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.439 it will I don't think this is like the same phenomenon, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.520 but it's just like it just sucks. It'll say like 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:41.040 take a right, not at the street that you're at now. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.920 it's so I hate it's so much. It's very strange. Yeah, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.760 I don't know. I mean, but are those placements that 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.119 are being bought. I think I think they have to 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.040 be right, because I mean, we I'm getting ones that 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.240 are like really inconsistent with any place I go, like Armies. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.720 I guess it's front of RV and I'm just like, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.560 I don't know. I've like totally blocked out Arby's in 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.480 my field of vision, like I don't see them. And 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.399 then it's like, where's the I don't know where the 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.160 Arby's just told me where to take a right. It's 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:15.200 very frustrating. Um Oney, hat you can't miss it. It's true, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.200 It's true. It was my grandmother's favorite restaurant, our love 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:23.560 an ary. Um. Yeah, servisive topic, honestly. Um There was 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.560 a quote, and I think it was the New York 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.840 Times um op ed and it said that once you 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.040 I'm not going to read it, but I'll just summarize 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.399 because it was kind of long. But once you realize 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.600 that you're being watched or that you're being surveiled, you 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.800 can't continue to act authentically. You can't shake that feeling, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.240 and it it totally changes, like your behavior in general, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.879 So like what you've really lost once you acknowledge that 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.439 you're being surveilled all the time is your soul and 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:57.240 that's what slipper slippers, and that's what exactly before we 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.320 get to Slipper, do you guys want to take a 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:06.080 night Let's take a nightcall. Hey, nightcall. My name is Bree. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.080 I'm calling from Alisa via Hot, California and it is 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.800 sixty four A m Um. I heard you guys on 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.359 this week's episode talking about to be Head Grins Big 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:22.200 Cat Preserve and I've actually been there. Um. I was 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.439 in junior college and I randomly took a it was 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:31.919 a wild animal class something a wild animal handling something 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.639 like that, and we actually took a field trip to 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.720 the preserve and it was actually really cool. They had 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.640 a lot of interesting things there. One of them they 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.879 talked about was a three legged cheetah, so they said 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.280 could still run, you know, about thirty miles per hour 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.120 even with three legs. Um. There was also they talked 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:58.160 about how they had a a tiger, which is a 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:03.480 tiger father Liger Mom and the the Liger Mob gave 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:08.160 birth to a Thai Tai god, which is when it's 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.920 a Thai god who has now for us with a 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:17.240 tiger Dad. So that was pretty cool. It was a 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.040 definitely an interesting experience. But I'm all for, you know, 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.239 people helping out these big casts that have either been 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.120 abandoned by to which or by weird people who think 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.600 that they should probably have a tiger in their house. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.080 You know, there's lost rage people out there. All right, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.199 night call, have great day. You know what's funny, just 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.040 as a side note, is how often we get that 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.080 we get are all of our calls through Google Voice 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.640 and it automatically transcribes it. And half the time when 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.600 people say hi, night call, it transcribes is high Michael 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:56.399 all the time, Like our podcast is now Michael, our 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.280 pudonym is Michael as yes, absolutely as a trio um. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:05.000 I didn't realize that different species of wildcats could diversify 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.600 like that. No, I did not know about a tig on. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.119 It sounds like Game of Thrones. It's good to know 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.040 they're all horny for each other exactly. Maybe it's just 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:22.800 the sanctuary lifestyle. It's like, yeah, have either of you 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.159 have been to the Tippy Hydron Preserve? I just I 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.719 know one person who has, I think for a story 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:35.680 U a profile of her, But it seems it seems 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.680 pretty wild. I can't believe it's still there. And I've 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.280 never seen roar either, which, like I guess I don't know, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.119 I'm saving it for the right moment or something. But 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.040