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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Q Kaine.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the new Autistic Barbie, a

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Speaker 2: sting ray that stabbed a mand in the stomach, a

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Speaker 2: kidnap girl who was eaten alive by alliators, a person

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Speaker 2: who did cocaine then ingested a bunch of weird stuff

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Speaker 2: causing a hole in his esophagus. And we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: Ellice in Wonderland syndrome. All that and more on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Autistic Barbie. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I've I think it's cool representation, but I was seeing

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Speaker 1: like really mixed reviews online about it. So they posted

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Speaker 1: the relief of this Barbie as part of this collection

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Speaker 1: they're doing where they also I think we reported when

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Speaker 1: they release the Down Syndrome Barbie. Right, Yeah, So they

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Speaker 1: have the Down Syndrome Barbie. They have one that's blind,

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Speaker 1: one's a bit a lego, prosthetic leg hearing aids, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So they worked with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network to

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Speaker 1: develop this doll, and it's part of this line of

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Speaker 1: inclusive dolls to try to represent kids with disabilities and

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Speaker 1: other things going on. But I've been seeing some people

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Speaker 1: online that say I have autism and this is offensive,

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Speaker 1: and then some people saying this is really awesome to

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Speaker 1: be included. So I don't know, Like I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to think because like I personally am not affected

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Speaker 1: right to talk about it if that's if that's the

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Speaker 1: angle I want to go at. I think it's cool

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Speaker 1: that Mattel wants to do this, but if people are

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Speaker 1: getting offended by it, then I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just think that with autism there's such a spectrum

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Speaker 2: of things to just and I understand it with more

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Speaker 2: with Down syndrome or the type one diabetes, even with

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Speaker 2: the pump and venallego. These are things that you could

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Speaker 2: see with your eyes. Is autism? Autism to me isn't

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Speaker 2: really necessarily like a thing that you could just make

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Speaker 2: accessories to make it look like relatable. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: weird some of the stuff that just was weird to

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Speaker 2: me was like, oh, the elbows in the hands bend, well,

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Speaker 2: guess what, Like every.

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Speaker 1: Single dolsh should have that right.

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Speaker 2: It's like saying that they they want to be able

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Speaker 2: flail the arms or something like. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just thought that that was kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: The flat shoes again, like, what does that have to

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Speaker 2: do with anything like every that's that's like lots of

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Speaker 2: people want to have comfortable shoes. They were saying about

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Speaker 2: the clothes, the headphones, the eye contact another weird thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's a freakin' doll. They don't have

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Speaker 2: eye contact. Like it's just like all of it. I understand,

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Speaker 2: I guess like the theory, but I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I understand the theory, but I

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Speaker 1: think we've seen mixed reactions coming out about all these

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Speaker 1: various types of dolls, and then some other criticisms they

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Speaker 1: have gotten in the past when they released like dolls

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Speaker 1: with thicker bodies and stuff, is like, oh cool, So

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Speaker 1: now my doll can't wear all the other Barbie clothes.

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Speaker 1: They can only wear the clothes developed for this one

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Speaker 1: and this one showing like this autistic Barbie they've just

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Speaker 1: released is featuring a fidget spinner, noise canceling headphones, this

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Speaker 1: tablet that some autistic people use to try to communicate better.

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Speaker 1: They noted that they tried to do a more loose

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Speaker 1: So I guess by working with this group, they kind

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Speaker 1: we made all these assumptions. We actually worked with this

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Speaker 1: group that gave us all these tips to form the

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Speaker 1: best representation possible. But if you have people that actually

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Speaker 1: I think you should take the feedback into consideration as well.

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Speaker 2: Are there like lots of autistic people sitting around saying like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I never felt like I could relate to Barbie. It's

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Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's just like so extra and

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Speaker 2: it's it's a I was thinking about that too, because

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I understand that there's definitely girls that

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it was I mean whatever, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just a weird thing. And I think

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Speaker 1: what I'm taking away with it is that since people

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Speaker 1: course in the press releases, in the articles, they're not

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Speaker 1: pointing this out. But when you actually look at the

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Speaker 1: they're saying they're representing.

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Speaker 2: It's just like if you consider one percent of females

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Speaker 2: be like people with saliac are probably even same or more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, are they you make a gluten free doll?

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Speaker 1: Because how about epilepsy? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And what does a gluten free person look like? Like

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Speaker 2: they're they're carrying around like cardboard bread, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you that the physical representations like vide lego,

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Speaker 1: those aren't ever featured on dolls. But yes, the more

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Speaker 1: like non obvious ones like this, and I know they

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Speaker 1: threw the accessories on the doll and said that's what

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Speaker 1: it was. But the same with like gluten free epilepsy,

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Speaker 1: things that like you don't see that people have. And

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Speaker 1: there's also thousands and thousands and thousands of kindition people have,

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Speaker 1: so like where are they handpicking the ones they're choosing?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. All Right, In New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: this guy was doing a surf life saving training event

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Speaker 1: when suddenly a stingray stabbed him in his abdomen, just

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Speaker 1: barely missing his organs. So this reminds me of Steve Irwin, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how he died. He got stabbed with a stingray BARB.

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Speaker 1: So this particular guy, he said that he got stabbed

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Speaker 1: in the abdomen, but I don't think it punctured him

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Speaker 2: Like? It didn't seem like because once it perforates through

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Speaker 2: the abdomen that is a sterile cavity can get become infectious.

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Speaker 2: You can introduce gross ocean bacteria into there, but also

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Speaker 2: the barb itself could stab your a order one of

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Speaker 2: So it seems like it it kind of like pierced

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it seems like this was a pure freak accident.

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Speaker 1: He said, I jumped in murky water, landed on it,

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Speaker 1: don't think he was like doing anything disrespectful to it

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Speaker 2: So what happens is that the barb on the barb

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Speaker 2: and when you when it hits or stings somebody with it,

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Speaker 2: But I'm thinking that it kind of just tapped them

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Speaker 2: know that that was one of the concerns when Steve Irwin,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that was in two thousand and six

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Speaker 1: all right. This next case is old, but it's in

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Speaker 1: and then after the police get involved, they find out

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Speaker 1: this area called Alligator Alley, and three days after she

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Speaker 1: had in fact been attacked by an alligator and killed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the medical examiner said that the injuries on her body,

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Speaker 2: There were scrapes on her body that indicated that she

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Speaker 1: So this guy in his early twenties went to the

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Speaker 1: consumed multiple foreign bodies, including an ashtray containing cigarette butts

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