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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Chris Raybaond of the Action Network and Fantasy Labs,

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Speaker 1: and it is time for annual n FL Breakout Candidates

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Speaker 1: episode in Fantasy joining me today and returning to the show.

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Speaker 1: One of our guys Action Alone, much more than a

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Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, uh, but just a be loved

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Speaker 1: NFL expert across the industry. He's over at fans. I've

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Speaker 1: mister Matthew Friedman. Friedman, what's going on? Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know, just we're like, what is it like thirty

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not quite thirty days, but it's just

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Speaker 2: it's like it's it's approaching. I'm really starting to get

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Speaker 2: excited about it. Like all of the industry drafts are

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Speaker 2: really starting to kick into gear. We're just a week

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Speaker 2: away from August, and so it's like the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame game is like knocking on the door, and Chris like,

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Speaker 2: I think you like betting on preseason games. I'm probably

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Speaker 2: gonna be betting slash burning some of my money on

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Speaker 2: it's been a decade now that I've been fortunate enough

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Speaker 2: So just thankful that the season is here and just

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Speaker 2: ready for the grind.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Noah, I feel you. You gotta bet some

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Speaker 1: preseason when you spend all off season trying to project

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Speaker 1: like these fifth and sixth wide receivers, we probably aren't

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Speaker 1: this episode, though, we're going to go through our breakout

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Speaker 1: candidates we five each and before we dive in for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, did some digging and went back to

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Speaker 1: last year. So I just want to look at the

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Speaker 1: guys we highlighted and see how he did, Freedman, you

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Speaker 1: had Jayden Daniels, Jean Robinson, Dalton Kinkid, Xavier Worthy, Attendell.

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Speaker 1: So not very bad at all. Three out of five

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts, Yeah, Jaden Daniels nailed It. Felt great about

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Speaker 2: that one. I wanted Daniels everywhere in Dynasty, in redraft

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Speaker 2: and the betting markets, with the over on his rushing

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Speaker 2: betting on him to win Rookie of the Year. I

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Speaker 2: then the Bejon Robinson one. I felt even weird mentioning

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Speaker 2: that last year, like oh, does this even count us

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Speaker 1: So this is why you pick a guy like Jon

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Speaker 2: So then you just think about McCarthy, the draft pedigree,

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Speaker 2: So JJ McCarthy for me, is a guy that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're playing beastball and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: you want him now because I think part of the

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Speaker 1: lacking last year. And I think this year what I

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Speaker 1: could see happening is I could see a lot more

432
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Speaker 1: of that Cordaull Patterson type of year happening, where Mims

433
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: mixes in at wide receiver, maybe only the same amount

434
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Speaker 1: that he does last year, but also gets a ton

435
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Speaker 1: more carries in the backfield. Because if I'm looking at it,

436
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is the starters. The players that are

437
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 1: running with the starters at least early in camp were Sutton,

438
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Speaker 1: Pat Bryant, and Franklin Or and or sometimes you know

439
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: it's it's it'll kind of switch up. But like you

440
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: can see the bigger guys that like Sean Payton wants.

441
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, why isn't Mims running with the starters,

442
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: you know? But then I think about it, and I'm like, well,

443
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: they got a rookie at running back, and they got JK.

444
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: Dobbins who took forever to get signed. So I think

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Speaker 1: you actually might see Mims as a lot more of

446
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: that guy who just moves around, and it's more of

447
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: like a Taysom Hill Cordell Patterson situation than a straight

448
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: up number one wide receiver situation, because I get the

449
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: sense that Peyton doesn't really want Mims as as, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: like a number one receiver because that's probably his like,

451
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna beat I think press coverage manned up,

452
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, consistently. But he can be a guy that

453
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Speaker 1: if he if you play off coverage on him, if

454
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Speaker 1: you can move him around at the line, he's gonna

455
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Speaker 1: win and more times than not. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: his path. But I agree with you. I think the

457
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Speaker 1: upside compared to his draft capital was crazy and he

458
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Speaker 1: was a guy that was really slept on last year

459
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Speaker 1: even you know, weekly during the end of the year

460
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: where he was he was like busting out for one

461
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Speaker 1: hundred yards almost or like some big play almost every week.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he closed the season on a high note for sure.

463
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Speaker 2: Who's your number two here?

464
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Speaker 1: I got Coaston Loveland as my number two guy that

465
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Speaker 1: tied end for the Chicago Bears rookie. You know, it

466
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Speaker 1: seems kind of like a crowded depth charter little you know,

467
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Speaker 1: some people are concerned with Cole comet here. I'm not

468
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Speaker 1: concerned with any of these things. My thing again is

469
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Speaker 1: there's a very short list of kind of game changing,

470
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: circumstantial situations around the league, especially in it. You know,

471
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Speaker 1: it's either you either have a quarterback, you either have

472
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Speaker 1: a situation that's great, or you have like a coach

473
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Speaker 1: of some sort who's you know, kind of shown in

474
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Speaker 1: the past that he's willing to put you in this

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Speaker 1: kind of position. And I think for Loveland he has

476
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Speaker 1: that coach in Ben Johnson, who who Sam La Porter

477
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: as a rookie broke out, you know, essentially in every

478
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Speaker 1: down player who put up you know, kind of record

479
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: breaking numbers for a tight end at that time. And

480
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Speaker 1: then Bruck. Biowers came and destroyed those. But we know

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Speaker 1: that Ben Jonson is willing to play a rookie tight end.

482
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Speaker 1: All the stuff about rookie tight ends, and it takes

483
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Speaker 1: a while. I mean, you know, tight ends in general,

484
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: it takes a while for them to break out that

485
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: you could throw that in the garbage. Because the NFL

486
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Speaker 1: completely changed, most of these tight ends nowadays are blocking

487
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Speaker 1: a lot less, both in the past game and the

488
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Speaker 1: run game because the league just passes more. They try

489
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Speaker 1: to get five out into the route more often. It's

490
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Speaker 1: more about the quick game. So I'm not worried about Loveland.

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about him from the the commit point

492
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Speaker 1: of view because they were playing ten on eleven last

493
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Speaker 1: year with Coole Comett. I mean, he's the guy you

494
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: could walk through walls, you know what I mean, Hawk people,

495
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: He was just a complete ghost with Tabb Williams. I

496
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Speaker 1: don't know, Calwills just for some reason just did not

497
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Speaker 1: throw to him. So I think Lovelynd is top three

498
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Speaker 1: upside as as a rookie, right behind Bowers, right behind

499
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Speaker 1: Trade McBride. If you look at that list after those

500
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Speaker 1: two guys, it gets really shaky, really fast. You're betting on,

501
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like George Kittle to keep it

502
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Speaker 1: going as he continues to age, and what sometimes is

503
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: a run heavy offense. You looking at Kelsey to keep

504
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: it going. Mark Andrews was almost wholly relyingt on touchdowns.

505
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys and there usually are

506
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are bust candidates in that

507
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: mid range, tight end one tier. And I think one

508
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: of the guys who takes advantage of that is Lovelin,

509
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Speaker 1: who has the quarterback too. I mean Caleb Williams. I

510
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: don't think he played up to his potential last year.

511
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Speaker 1: So I look at you know, Dj Moore is a

512
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: guy number one receiver, yes, but not the greatest that

513
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: beating coverage either locked up one on one. You look

514
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: at Roma Doonze probably headed for a year too breakout,

515
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: but you know he underwhelmed a little bit last year.

516
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: And Ruther Berden another guy I like, but he's going

517
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Speaker 1: to be a rookie this year. So I think Loveland

518
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Speaker 1: is in the best position where he got. He had

519
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: that draft capital. They could have gone a lot of

520
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: different ways. They could have gone with Warren, and they

521
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: went with Loveland over him, which tells you that I

522
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: think they want to play him every down, and I

523
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Speaker 1: think I see that same kind of upside here for him.

524
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Speaker 1: So love love Loveland at tight end this year, I

525
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a cheeko.

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Speaker 2: I will say, if you look at the history of

527
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Speaker 2: guys who have been twenty one years old for their

528
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: rookie seasons at tight End specifically, that's like a list

529
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Speaker 2: of basically like all Hall of Famers. Like you know,

530
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: there's like no surefire way of projecting guys to the NFL,

531
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Speaker 2: but like Loveland with the draft capital, with what he

532
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Speaker 2: did in college, and then especially with the age, it

533
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Speaker 2: just feels like, even if he doesn't hit year one,

534
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Speaker 2: at some point he's going to be a really big star.

535
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Speaker 2: And I think you would just kind of want to

536
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Speaker 2: be ahead of that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's the sense. I mean, it goes back

538
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Speaker 1: to just like we talked about a quarterback, where it's

539
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: when we're talking about break out candidates, it's about where

540
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: you finish too, and that is highly influenced by what

541
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: your value is coming in and in terms of ADP,

542
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: and I just think you know these guys, A lot

543
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: of these guys we've talked about have a chance to

544
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: be real fantasy difference makers in top guys at their positions,

545
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: and you know, there are all these kind of guys

546
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: in going ahead of them that are much more likely

547
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: to bust. So let's go to number three on your list,

548
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Breakout Candidates twenty twenty five. Matthew Freeman, who you got?

549
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: All right? I am a simple dude, and I'm just

550
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: basically going to be like, hey, I think Caleb Johnson

551
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: is the new Nausea Harris. It's not like exactly that,

552
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: but let's just look at Johnson as a prospect. There

553
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: have been a lot of guys with really good size

554
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: and like middling speed to enter the NFL, and like

555
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: draftnicks always seem to I want to say, like bash

556
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: these guys, but they just lose enthusiasm about these guys.

557
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: But it's like these guys turn into like James Connor,

558
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: you know, or like Jeremy Hill isn't like the best example,

559
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: but like he was even still productive at the beginning

560
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: of his career. Like there are guys who are are

561
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: big and fast enough even if they're not all that fast,

562
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: that can still have really good production in the NFL.

563
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: And I think that's Caleb Johnson and last year at

564
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: Iowa seventeen hundred yards, twenty three touchdowns in twelve games,

565
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: just super productive. Wasn't all American. He's got the size

566
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: six one two hundred and twenty four, and he's got

567
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: the sufficient draft capital was taken in the third round

568
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: to me to make me believe that, Like, he's probably

569
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: going to be the lead back on this team. And

570
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, the Arthur Smith offense, I think they're going

571
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: to be pretty run heavy, you know, with Aaron Rodgers,

572
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be functional. Like I'm not

573
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: gonna say like it's going to be a great offense,

574
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: but like, I think it will be good enough to

575
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: support a strong running game. And then you look at

576
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Speaker 2: Najie Harris and what he was able to do in

577
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: four years, Like never at any point did he have

578
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: fewer than two hundred and fifty carries in a season.

579
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Speaker 2: Never did he have few than twelve hundred yards from scrimmage.

580
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's just as simple as like, well,

581
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: we basically just take all that production and all of

582
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: those snaps and opportunities and just give that to Johnson.

583
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 2: But I think it's pretty close to that. Because as

584
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: much as I like Tyler Warren, like, I don't think

585
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: he's sorry Tyler Warren, yes, Jalen Warren, Yes, as much

586
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: as I like him, I don't think he's going to

587
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: get the shot really to be the lead back there.

588
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: I think he's always going to be like the supplemental

589
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: change of pace receiving back. So I think that still

590
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: leaves plenty of room for Caleb Johnson really to emerge

591
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: as the number one guy. And like I think sort

592
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: of like the base case is Najie Harris like, but well,

593
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: like what if he's just actually really good at football?

594
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: And like people who watched the Big Ten, who watched

595
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: IOWA for the past three years, they would say, you

596
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: know what, Caleb Johnson is just really good at football.

597
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: So if he ends up kind of being like, uh,

598
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: actually better than we would expect with the opportunities that

599
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: he gets, then he could have like a map like,

600
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Speaker 2: oh wait, this is like fifteen hundred yards sixteen hundred

601
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: yards and you know, like twelve touchdown type of season.

602
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: So Caleb Johnson is someone I'm pretty enthusiastic about this here.

603
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're thinking of the Arthur Smith's offense,

604
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: and you say okay, and then you kind of marry

605
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: that with the Steelers offense and you say, okay, the

606
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: floor is probably Naji Harris like you're saying the ceiling

607
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Derrek Henry. I mean, remember no, but remember

608
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. I'm talking about rookie year Derrick Henry, not

609
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: not Derrick Henry, the great Hall of Famer, but just

610
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Dean Lewis would be Jalen Warren in this case, it's like, Okay,

611
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of reliable guy. But if this, if

612
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: this rookie's any good, it's only a matter of time.

613
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: And it's clear that the Steelers kind of feel that

614
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: way because they had other needs and not that many

615
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: draft picks, and they went with Johnson with a premium

616
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Speaker 1: pick on day two, where a lot of people though

617
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: they might go quarterback or what not to say. And

618
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: that just tells me that in general, I think the

619
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the community might be a little underwhelmed on Johnson, but

620
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: they drafted him for a specific purpose. They drafted him

621
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: because he can he can run into stack boxes and

622
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: break tackos. So I don't know what that tells them.

623
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: That tells you about how they feel about Rogers and

624
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the offense. But because I think you

625
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: would try to kind of not make the defense stack

626
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: the box. But the fact that they're drafting a guy

627
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: who's that's his kind of thing. I think that he's

628
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: going to play a ton as a rookie, and I

629
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: do think that he's going to be that Najie Harris

630
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: for them in terms of USUD.

631
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah you like it. You like another rookie here?

632
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Basual Tuton rookie running back Jacksonville Jaguars.

633
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I love these situations that look so unclear, uh, kind

634
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: of heading into camp, and I think that's where you

635
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: really find most of the value because these days drafters

636
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: are drafted teams. I mean, what February, right after the

637
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, best ball kind of starts up again and

638
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the rookie ADP is just so sharp,

639
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: and what ends up happening is there are a couple

640
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: guys that they're just it's cloudy and so people are

641
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of hesitant. And those are the situations that I

642
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: think this time of year that you have to exploit.

643
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: So for me, Tooting his ceiling is a Bucky Irving

644
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: like type of usage, I don't. Bucky Irving was so

645
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: good that I'm not gonna say a Bucky Irving season,

646
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: But usage wise, I think he's there because Lean Cone,

647
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: our guy last year, we saw them use all of

648
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: their rookies right off the bat. And I think that's

649
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: important when you look when you talk about a guy

650
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: whose main question mark is usage in what could be

651
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: what looks like a three way backfield right now with

652
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: bigs V and ETN so week one last year, Bucky

653
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Irving got double digit touches. First three weeks, he averaged

654
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: double digit touches right off the bat. And you look

655
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: at other rookies on that team. Even we expected Trey

656
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Palmer to be to kind of, you know, build on

657
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: his rookie year. He was a guy playing all the

658
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: snaps McMillan from Week one eighty percent plus snap count.

659
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Even a guy like Cameron Johnston, Cameron Johnson like just

660
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: a nobody out of nowhere. They found a bunch of

661
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: snaps for him in September. So these rookies when they

662
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: make the team, which Teuton I think automatically is, you know,

663
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: given where they drafted him, he's gonna be He's gonna

664
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: have a row and Con already has said this. You know,

665
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: he's our guy. He's he's the guy we're looking for

666
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: explosiveness with the offensive line. Again, I want to remind

667
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: people went from bottom two and with the same tackles,

668
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: rookie center and one of the other interior guys, So

669
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: three of the same five and a rookie on the

670
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: interior to one of the best blocking lines in the game.

671
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: So I think that tutan Has is going to have

672
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: that same kind of upside there and people are gonna

673
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: worry about the other guys on the roster. I think

674
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: if there's no if they go into the season with

675
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: all three of those guys, I still think Tuton his

676
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: floor is the number two back because after you traded

677
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: all thse picks for Hunt to take touton at, you know,

678
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: to take him as a fourth round pick when you

679
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of other needs, tells me that they're

680
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: trying to redo the offense in their image, the same

681
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: reason you came and let go gave Davis. He signed

682
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Diami Brown for you know, one year ten mil is

683
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: like kind of approve it deal, like there was you

684
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: got let Ingram walk, Like there are so many things

685
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: that tell you that this is this is how we

686
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: want our offense. It's different from the previous regime, which

687
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I think puts Tuton in a massive position to h

688
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: to produce right off the bat in year one. And

689
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: he's the guy with just you know, the speed and

690
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: the you know kind of you don't need to talk

691
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: about the speed, I think in the sense that it

692
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: goes into the draft capital and it's not. It's kind

693
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: of all kind of combined into one. But I think

694
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the important thing with his speed is that speed has

695
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: become kind of a confirmation biased thing in the NFL

696
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: these days, where when you draft the speed guy, you're

697
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: gonna give up things in other areas, what ad guy

698
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: like Xavier Worthy. But the important thing is you're gonna

699
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: get him on the field because he brings that speed.

700
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: So I think one way or another, Tooton gets on

701
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: the field and is at worst, you know, gonna end

702
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: up producing what he drafted. But I think it's mostly

703
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: ceiling for him at this AEP which is outside the

704
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: top thirty six.

705
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the team clearly drafted him with the

706
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: ceiling in mind, and he just he has an athleticism

707
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: that at this point Travis Eten just doesn't have access

708
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: to and Tank Bigsby frankly never has had. So yeah,

709
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: he's like a clear, like swinging for a home run

710
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: type of pick from the organization. And like they they upgraded.

711
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say it's an upgrade in the

712
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: middle of their their offensive line with the additions of

713
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: Robert Hainsey, Patrick McCrary, and so I think that, you know,

714
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: we should see that running game just naturally improve with

715
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: those additions anyway, and then if there's any like the

716
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: play calling magic that can be added from Liam Cohen,

717
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: you know, I think, yeah, Tooton, he certainly has the

718
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: upside that I think we just don't see in Travis

719
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: et And and Tank Bigsby.

720
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's waiting on running back anyway, so why not

721
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: wait a little more, because like everyone wants to just

722
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 1: take complete like receiver in rounds like three through six.

723
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, the running backs are They're all

724
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: there still, So I don't even know whether you can

725
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: call it zero RB when no one's taking rbs in

726
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: the middle rounds in a lot of these drafts. So

727
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: I love kind of getting a guy like tooting way

728
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: down there after people have already kind of made their bets.

729
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: But where are you going with your fourth breakout candidate

730
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five?

731
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: Foreman, all right, I'm looking at wide receiver for the Buccaneers,

732
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: Amika Igbuka, rookie first rounder. And I will just say,

733
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: in a typical season, if there's a guy who is

734
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: a first round wide receiver who is as athletic as

735
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: Igbuka is four point four two second forty yard dash

736
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: and who was as productive in college as Iguka was

737
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, normally that guy goes way earlier than

738
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: Igbuka is going now fantasy drafts. And it makes sense

739
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: why Ibuka is going later. He's got to compete with

740
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, He's got to compete with Chris Godwin and

741
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Jalen McMillan, who you mentioned too. I mean, obviously Ibuka

742
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: we would assume plays ahead of him, but McMillan is

743
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: still a factor. He's still someone that you would think

744
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: rotates in. You know, he's going to an offense that

745
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't think this is really factored into his ADP,

746
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: but just kind of thinking about like the negative case

747
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: for Igbuka. He's going to an offense that is now

748
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: like on his like fourth play caller in four years, right, Like,

749
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: there's there's not a lot of like continuity there. And

750
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: then he's a rookie coming into camp who has to

751
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: compete with all of these wide receivers. But I will say,

752
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Evans is thirty two years old. I

753
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: would never want to say, hey, this is finally the

754
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: year Evans doesn't get a thousand yards receiving. But you know,

755
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: at some point Evans is going to fall off, and

756
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: at some point, you know, Chris Godwin is going to

757
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: fall off. And we're not even certain Godwin is going

758
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: to be available for Week one either, so that also

759
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: factors into this. So if we assume that the Buccaneers

760
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: offense is still going to be a pretty strong machine

761
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: with Baker Mayfield there, then I think there's some room

762
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: in here for Igbuca. Even if he never overtakes. Mike

763
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: Evans is the number one wide receiver still to carve

764
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: out a lot of space as the number two wide

765
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: receiver in a pretty strong passing offense. And you put

766
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: that on top of the draft capital, the athleticism, the

767
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: college production, it just makes me pretty enthusiastic about a

768
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: guy who is going well outside of the wide receiver

769
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: three range in the super majority of drafts, So really

770
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: enthusiastic about him. And then if there is some injury

771
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: to Mike Evans or Chris Godwin is out for longer

772
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: than we would think, then I think there's all the

773
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: more upside there. So Igbuka is a guy that I

774
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: went say, like, he has the clear path to break

775
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: you out, but he has multiple outs for how a

776
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: breakout could occur.

777
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you've hit on a couple of

778
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: things that are key with him. And the first is

779
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: that you know McMillan, he probably overtakes him right away.

780
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I think that's key because if you look back at

781
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: last year and one of the things I found and

782
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: one of the things reasons that I like Liam Cohne

783
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: so much is because I thought his schemes were brilliant,

784
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and especially when it came to a guy like McMillan.

785
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: But you also look at the Bucks and you mentioned

786
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: like they don't have many much continuity among play callers,

787
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: but you know they do have continuity GM Jason Light

788
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: and he's done a great job of just kind of

789
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, re upping the talent because remember this is

790
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: a team that bet everything, like an older Tom Brady

791
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: forty plus got their Super Bowl ring and they was

792
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: still the playoffs every year. You know, they do enough

793
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: in this division to keep to stay consistent. And I

794
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: think it was great internal scouting to say, okay, call

795
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: and left. We got this guy McMillan, who put up,

796
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, great stats for a rookie broke it looked

797
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: like he broke out down the stretch, but he might

798
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: not be the same player next year. So let's go

799
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: and get a guy that you know is better than

800
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: this And even if it crosses the first round pick,

801
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: Let's take a guy like a Buka and I think

802
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: he gets a chance to play where right away. And uh,

803
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: like you said, Godwin, we never know what's going on

804
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: with his health because now he's coming off another big injury.

805
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, like him like Abuka a lot. And then

806
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: just the the the draft community kind of I think

807
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: weighing in too much too early about the situation and

808
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: the depth chart, because by the end of camp we

809
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: could we could be in a situation where BOOKA is

810
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: already the number two because Godwin's gonna be out for

811
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: a while and McMillan you know, he's already jump McMillan.

812
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: So I love it, love it, love it. I got

813
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: a similar kind of guy, Matthew Golden, rookie for the Packers,

814
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: And I think there's all the similar things at play

815
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: as a booka where it looks like a cloudy de

816
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: chart a little bit and you don't know exactly where

817
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna land. But I think from everything we've known

818
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: from Green Bay as an organization that Golden has a

819
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: chance to be the number one receiver right off the

820
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: bat as a rookie because everything they've told us, when

821
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: you look at Lafleur, who's always been successful with his offenses,

822
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: this team did not like its receiving room last year.

823
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: This team, you know, and you had Jane Reid, he

824
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: was the supposed number one guy. You had a his

825
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: agent essentially say oh yeah, he's still the number one

826
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: after they drafted Golden and save you on Williams. But

827
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid just four and a half targets per game.

828
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: That's crazy for a number one. But that was because

829
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Green Bay just nerved their path volume all year. And

830
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: that's because their other you know, there are other perimeter

831
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: guy was Romeo Dobbs. Then you had Don Tavian Wicks,

832
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: who runs good routes and nothing ever comes a bit,

833
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: So I think they really and then Bo Melton, by

834
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: the way, who's now a cornerback. So I think this team,

835
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, once Love got banged up in week one,

836
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: once they start to really see what their receiving core

837
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: is made of, they just kind of nerved their pass volume.

838
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: And people don't realize Jordan Love is top five and

839
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: yards per attempt top five and QBR. This guy can

840
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: sling it, he's accurate, he doesn't get sacked. And now

841
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: you have a receiver in Golden that can go down

842
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: the field and kind of get open and a little

843
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: different from these other guys that they've had on the team.

844
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: So I think Golden immediately slots in as a top

845
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: three option. They've they've always played Wis like twenty five

846
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: to thirty five percent of the snaps like a you know,

847
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: a true number four when guys are healthy. Watson has

848
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: been the only guy that they've been willing to kind

849
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: of jump, and you know he can't stay healthy. So

850
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I think that Golden is right off the bat in

851
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: a great spot, and another one of these number ones where,

852
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: because you know, there's there's you know, numbers from last

853
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: year that kind of point toward maybe a pessimistic case

854
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: based on the volume, based on the other three other guys,

855
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: people are kind of knocking him. But I look at

856
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: a guy like Ted McMillan, I see this, I see

857
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: a worse situation in Carolina because they also have a

858
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: bunch of wide receivers and a guy like an undrafted

859
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: guy who jumped a bunch of top draft picks, and

860
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: their quarterback has been a lot worse than Jordan Love

861
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: has been over there over the first two years. So

862
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: I love getting Golden and Abuka like you know where

863
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: they're going, you know, outside the top forty versus a

864
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: guy like McMillan who still goes in the in the

865
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: top thirty.

866
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Matthew Golden is really intriguing. And to

867
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: your point about the lack of opportunities that Jaden Reid got, Like,

868
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: I think Jayden Reid is a really good football player,

869
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: but like he hasn't gotten the opportunities to really cement

870
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: that opinion. But the team did just draft a first

871
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: round wide receiver, which would make you think, you know, like,

872
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: given what they have seen out of Reed that they

873
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: maybe aren't sold that he actually has what it takes

874
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: to be a a true number one wide receiver, and

875
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: maybe he's best as your supplementary wide receiver too. What

876
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: is I think great about Golden is I think he

877
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: really has the potential to play all over the field.

878
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: So when they're in three wide receiver sets, if they

879
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: want him in the slot, fine, that's probably going to

880
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: be where Jayden Reid is most of the time. But

881
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: what his prevented red from really being able to take

882
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: that next step is that he almost never plays on

883
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: the perimeter, whereas Golden can line up on the perimeter,

884
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: and so when the team is in two Tighten sets,

885
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: Golden can still be on the field and they run

886
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: two tight in sets pretty frequently. So like that is

887
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: what Golden has in his favor to where he already

888
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: kind of has, in theory an edge over Jayden Reid

889
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: on top of the fact that the team just invested

890
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: a first round pick in him. So I'm and I'm

891
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: with you. I think Jordan Love is really underappreciated as

892
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: a quarterback. And there's a a scenario and like I'm

893
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: not projecting it as the base case. But if the

894
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: Packers have to pass more than we expect, then it

895
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: could just be like lights out for all of these

896
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: guys in the offense to where they just like they

897
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: all explode. Golden explodes, explodes, talker Craft explodes, right, But like,

898
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm not projecting that, and I think, like Raybond, I

899
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: don't think you and Kerner are projecting that currently, Like

900
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: they're probably a little more of a like a run

901
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: balanced team. But if they get in a situation where

902
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: they have to air it out more, then I think

903
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: there's like that extra opportunity for Golden to break out.

904
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you there. I think it's a

905
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: great setup for Golden and Green Bay. And then like

906
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: we haven't even really mentioned Lafleur, who I think he's

907
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: not like quite in that Kevin O'Connell's here, but like

908
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: he's pretty close to it. I think Lafloor is like

909
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: very cleanly a top eight play caller on offense, and

910
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: maybe it's even top four.

911
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I think that's why you gotta buy.

912
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: I think you have all the ingredients. And the real

913
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: knock is that everyone's gonna take the last year pass

914
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: volume and weigh it a little too high in my opinion,

915
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: where there were kind of extenuating circumstances. But I think

916
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: the time to gobble all these guys up is now

917
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: because to your point, love Red golden Craft, these are

918
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: all guys that are kind of locked into certain roles

919
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: in the offense, and they're being taken probably at their floors,

920
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: even if they like there's gonna be natural regression from

921
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: last year, So even if you don't project them to

922
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: have like this pass heavy season, they're still being treated

923
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: as if they're going to go super run heavy and win,

924
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, essentially win all their games except the ones

925
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: against the Lions and Vikings or whatever it was last year.

926
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's it's a crazy situation when

927
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback that's been that efficient and a

928
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: play card that's been that efficient, and you can get

929
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: both of his top receivers, all of his receivers outside

930
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: the top of forty, you can get his tight end

931
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: outside the top twelve. So yeah, it's it's a good spot.

932
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Let's close it out our last guy, number five breakout

933
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: Cadets for twenty twenty five, Matthew Freeman. We're going with.

934
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: All right, This name is sort of in the Bijon

935
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 2: Robinson mold from last year where it's like this guy

936
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 2: has already had something of a breakout, but I feel

937
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: like there's room for a new career type of season,

938
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: and I'm going with Jamison Williams, wide receiver for the Lions.

939
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: So last year he had over thousand yards from scrimmage,

940
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: eight touchdowns, like a very solid season, but he had

941
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: just ninety one targets and only eleven carries. But he's

942
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: just been so unbelievably efficient for his career nine point

943
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: eight yards per target, eight point seven yards per carry.

944
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: What happens if the Lions need to give him the

945
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: ball a little bit more. Now I'm not going to

946
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: say like, oh a mon ros Saint Brown is going

947
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: to be overtaken or he's going to be injured, but like,

948
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 2: if something changes within that Lion's offense where they need

949
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: to pass the ball more, or Sam Laporta doesn't develop

950
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: into like the guy that they think he will be,

951
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: or if Jamiir Gibbs gets injured or whatever it is,

952
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: if something changes, then there's like the room for Jamison

953
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 2: Williams to get more volume, and I think he could

954
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: just absolutely dominate with it given what we have seen,

955
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: and like when he entered the NFL, obviously you know

956
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: he was injured, there have been issues with him. But

957
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: when he entered the NFL, he was like a I

958
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: won't say he was a remedial wide receiver, but he

959
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: was like a speedster, you know, like that was the

960
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: thing that he relied on. But throughout his career he

961
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: has gotten gradually better as a route runner and as

962
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: like an overall player. And so now it's the kind

963
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: of thing to where it's like, yeah, he can make

964
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: big plays down the field, but they can also use

965
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: him in the intermediate, in the short area. They can

966
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: line him up all over the formation. So like he

967
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: is more of a complete player now than he was

968
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: when he entered the league and was a prospect. And

969
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: then by the way, like I mean, the dude was

970
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: also a baller in college. It's not like he was

971
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: a bad prosper either in the team spent a first

972
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: rounder on him. So he's got talent. He's uh with

973
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: the limited opportunities he's gotten in the NFL, he has

974
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: really flashed. And then now I think this could be

975
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: the year where we see the volume. I'm not gonna

976
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: say he's gonna get one hundred and fifty targets or

977
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: something like that, but like, what if this boost up

978
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: to one hundred and twenty targets, Like he has like

979
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: twelve hundred fourteen hundred yard like season within the range

980
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: of outcomes with that kind of target volume. So he's

981
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: someone that I'm enthusiastic about, especially also kids he gets

982
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: carries too, Like that's sort of like the Robert Woods

983
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: thing from back in the day, where it's like, Okay,

984
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: game to game, it doesn't really mean that much, but

985
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: it's like over the course of a season, if a

986
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: guy ends up getting fifteen carries and he's pretty efficient

987
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 2: with those, like that ends up actually meaning something because

988
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: guys like at the wide receiver position and they get carries,

989
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: they also have enhanced odds of turning that carry into

990
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: a touchdown and into long yards. So I think Jamison

991
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: Williams is someone I'm not gonna say like I'm expecting

992
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: him to breakout, but I see multiple paths for how

993
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: he could build on what he did last season. So

994
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm enthusiastic about him and wanting to take him like

995
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: ahead of his ADP just to make sure I get him.

996
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, full disclosure. You know, when we did the out

997
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: one for the show, I almost took Williams. He was

998
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: going to be one of my guys as well. And

999
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: the only thing I question was like, are people going

1000
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: to consider it a true breakout since he had a

1001
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: thousand yards? But I totally agree. I think he's the

1002
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: guy that has more room to grow in that Lion's offense,

1003
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: even if the offense takes a step back or the

1004
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: team takes a step back. I should say with a

1005
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: harder with a much harder schedule, with you know, alither

1006
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: offensive brain trust being replaced, I think Williams they might

1007
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: just need him more and the volume can kind of,

1008
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: like you said, overtake any efficiency you know, losses, because

1009
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: this is a guy who was able to put up

1010
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and just fifty eight catches, the guy

1011
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: who is going to get extra work in the run game.

1012
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, if you look at ADP,

1013
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: I think the guy most at risk in this Lions

1014
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: offense is David Montgomery because there's only so like, there's

1015
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: only so much that offensive production that you can get

1016
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: out of this team, especially which with I think is

1017
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a much harder schedule, and I think Williams

1018
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: would be the guy to benefit. He's more anti fragile, like,

1019
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: no matter what if if they're even better, somehow Williams benefits,

1020
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: I think because then he's just you know, the past

1021
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: game is better if they are not as good, he

1022
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: gets more volume. Where's Montgomery. He's got so many other

1023
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: things kind of working against him that I think, Yeah,

1024
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: Williams is definitely a guy who one way or another

1025
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: should put up an even better season barring injury. All Right,

1026
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: I'll close it out with gotta go Stan Brandon. Another Jaguar,

1027
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. You know, he's kind of falling into that

1028
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty is ADP. Now, I've seen him kind

1029
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: of dropping and you know, Freeman, you and I talked

1030
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: about him and said, you know, there was a time

1031
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: when it was post draft and I think the the

1032
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: outlook was almost too rosy for him. You know, he

1033
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: was kind of inching towards wide receiver twenty and ADP,

1034
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: and you know there was just so much uncertainty. But

1035
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, the more I look at it, and especially

1036
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: now with him dropping a little more to a reasonable level,

1037
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: is that you have to again look at the writing

1038
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: on the wall with a guy like William Colewick. This

1039
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: is an offensive minded coach, and the Jaguars essentially mortgaged

1040
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: their draft to go out and select this guy. So

1041
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: what what what do you think? You really think that

1042
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna give up anything on offense to go on defense. No,

1043
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I think he's going to play as much as they

1044
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: need they need him to play on offense, which is

1045
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: almost every snap, and then he'll mix it on defense.

1046
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: But right now, there's no incentive to saying that he's

1047
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: going to be like a full time offensive player orless

1048
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: than a full time defensive player, because you want to

1049
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: keep opponents guessing. You want to come out in Week

1050
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: one and you know have have that question mark. So

1051
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: I think that Hunter with the uncertainty, it's it's become

1052
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: a thing where uncertainty is like generally just bad and

1053
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: people are kind of going away from it. But when

1054
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: you have upside to match that uncertainty, I think that's

1055
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: that's where you want to target it. And I think

1056
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: with Hunter, I mean you're still talking about a guy

1057
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: drafted as a number two overall pick at a position

1058
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: where that means you're gonna produce in year one, So

1059
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I love it for him. I think he has a

1060
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: great partner on the other side and BTJ who can

1061
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: keep coverage off of him and like he's not gonna

1062
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: get them. Usually you just have a horrible, horrible team

1063
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: when you're getting drafted number two overall, where whereas with

1064
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: this team, you have a quarterback who has selected number

1065
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: one overall in the past, you have a what I

1066
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: think is a great coordinator or play caller. You have

1067
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: another wide receiver to take the pressure off of you

1068
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: across from you. So I think that he's just going

1069
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: to benefit from so many things that players typically in

1070
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: his you know that get drafted where he does don't

1071
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: even benefit from. So if he, you know, plays seventy

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: five percent of snaps or something like that, I think

1073
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: he's still a big threat to crush his ADP because

1074
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be schemed up plays. And just look

1075
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: at what Con did for a guy like McMillan last

1076
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: year where he was the only featured for like half

1077
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: the year and it was just touchdown after touchdown. So

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00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I think Hunter's just got so many pass where the

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: upside is wide receiver one in year one and we

1080
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: saw it was a guy like Chris Godwin, even where

1081
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: last year before he went down, he was putting up

1082
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: massive numbers alongside Mike Evans and there was no real

1083
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: question mark there, and they were doing it with Baker Mayfield.

1084
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: I think you could see a similar situation this year.

1085
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: And this guy's just too talented to keep falling down

1086
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: draft boards like this, And it's it's just funny to me,

1087
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: how I think you know, we've hit on most of

1088
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: these number one picks at wide receiver, whereas the guy

1089
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: that could actually do the worst is the guy being

1090
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: drafted the highest a lot of the times in Tech McMillan, who,

1091
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: again I have no real problem with, but he probably

1092
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: has the most actual warning signs on the field when

1093
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: you look at everything, especially compared to where he's going.

1094
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: So give me, give me some Travis Hunter all day.

1095
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So your point about Tech McMillan, like he might

1096
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: not even end up being the number one wide receiver

1097
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: on his team, Like that could legit be Adam Thielen

1098
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: for like the third year in a row. But Travis Hunter,

1099
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: he's probably not going to be the number one wide

1100
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: receiver on his team either. That's probably still Brian Thomas junior.

1101
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: But to your point, and I'm probably too low on

1102
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, and I'm like rethinking, like I need to

1103
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: go in and sort of tinker with projections a little

1104
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: bit so that like, even to your point, even if

1105
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: he's not on the field as a like full full

1106
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: time player, even if it's just like in that seventy

1107
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: seventy five percent route rate, he could probably still have

1108
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: an elevated target rate because they're specifically like packaging him

1109
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: on the place where it's like, when he's on the field,

1110
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: we're going to get him the target volume that's sort

1111
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: of like commensurate with a full time player. So yeah,

1112
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: he still has that within the range of outcomes. And uh,

1113
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: it's like here's the question. Do you think that they

1114
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 2: are going to give him like really the full time

1115
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: treatment on offense and then have him just kind of

1116
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: rotate in on defense? Like is that how you think

1117
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: are going to do it?

1118
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the most likely outcome. I think I think,

1119
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, does his folk does his snaps add up

1120
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: to more than one hundred? Like if you look at

1121
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, offense plus defense, maybe, I mean he did

1122
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: it in college, so it wouldn't be crazy to see

1123
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: him play more than any other NFL player pretty much

1124
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: ever has do they want to do that? I don't know,

1125
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: but I do know that they mortgage their draft to

1126
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: take a guy with an offensive coach who you know,

1127
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: they let go of Davis, they let go of Anger,

1128
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: like they There's all these other moves around it that

1129
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: tell me that this like this guy, offense is going

1130
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: to be the priority, Like you really think William Cohen

1131
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: came here, got the GM fired, got his own guy

1132
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: in there, mortgaged the whole draft as an offensive guy

1133
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: to go and play this guy Hunter on a defense

1134
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: that if the defense needs Hunter, then is it really

1135
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: worse than anyway? Like you know what I mean, if

1136
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: he's the make or break for the Jags defense, I

1137
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: don't think it's worth it to risk him that much

1138
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: on defense anyway. Whereas if the Jaguars can go and

1139
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: start scoring you know, twenty twenty six, twenty eight points

1140
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: a game, they're going to be able to win a

1141
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: while their games regardless of how bad their defense is.

1142
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: So uh, I think that, Yeah, I think that Hunter.

1143
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: I think they're playing it a little koy, but I

1144
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: think offense is going to be the priority for him regardless.

1145
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: But again, even if we're wrong, it's kind of a

1146
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: mix of both. We we've seen in the past Coan

1147
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: been able to scheme up these guys when they're on

1148
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: the field, and uh, you know that's what they're gonna

1149
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: be able to do. I think because you look at

1150
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: the under two and a half second throws, you look

1151
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: at the yards after the catch, all these the touchdown

1152
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: rate in the red zone, like all these things that

1153
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: that Cone's kind of been really good at. Uh, Hunter

1154
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: will benefit from and uh yeah, I think I think

1155
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: there's there's becoming a lot less downside as he starts,

1156
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, creep into those low twenties in high thirties

1157
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: in ADP.

1158
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you're you're selling me on this, like when

1159
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: his ADP was in the twenties or like the high twenties.

1160
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: Like I was feeling like, no, I need to, like,

1161
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: if he's going to the number twenty wide receiver on

1162
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: the board, I need his take a pessimistic stand on

1163
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: this and just say that people are being ridiculous. Now

1164
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: that he's going into wide receiver thirty, I probably should

1165
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: pivot a little bit and be like, their's upside. I mean,

1166
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: because there is the upside. And to your point about

1167
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis being gone, Evan Ingram being gone, even if

1168
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas eats, there could still be volume left over

1169
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: for Travis Hunter. And if this offense does what you

1170
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: think with Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence says, your first

1171
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: breakout really does have that like, oh man, now we

1172
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: see why this guy was taking number one overall type

1173
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: of season, then yeah, Travis Hunter will definitely have the

1174
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: capability within that framework to go off. So yeah, I

1175
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: can I can see this. I'm going to I'm going

1176
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: to make some adjustments to my projections, all right.

1177
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: And that there you have twenty twenty five NFL breakout

1178
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: candidates to recap Freeman JJ McCarthy quarterback for the Vikings,

1179
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Marvin Maham's wide out for the Broncos, running back Caleb

1180
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: Johnson of Pittsburgh, wide receiver at Mecca Buca of the Bucks,

1181
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: and wide receiver Jamison Williams on the Lions. I went

1182
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: with quarterback Trevor Lawrence to the Jags, tight end Colston

1183
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: Loveland for the Bears, Fatial touton running back for the Jags.

1184
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, rookie wide receiver for the Pack and rookie

1185
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver Travis Hunter of the Jags that is going

1186
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,160
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