Speaker 1: Novel. Hey listener. In this episode, we'll be talking a
Speaker 1: lot about acts of violence and murder, including serial killers.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about grave exhumation too. We're also going
Speaker 1: to meet some of the people who freely give up
Speaker 1: their time to help bring closure to the families of missing, murdered,
Speaker 1: and unidentified people. This is the kind of work our
Speaker 1: charity partner, DNA Doe Project does. I'd encourage you to
Speaker 1: check them out if you're affected by the themes of
Speaker 1: this episode. They work with law enforcement to identify Jane
Speaker 1: and John does using genetic genealogy in the hopes of
Speaker 1: reuniting the bodies of unidentified people with their families. You
Speaker 1: can find them at DNADO project dot org. And as usual,
Speaker 1: you're probably going to hear me swearing. It's the habit
Speaker 1: of a lifetime, so there's no stopping it. Now. I
Speaker 1: want to tell you a story about an island, and
Speaker 1: unassuming mile long island in New York with the complicated
Speaker 1: buried history. Today, Heart Island is the final resting place
Speaker 1: for over one million people. It's the USA's largest public cemetery,
Speaker 1: the place where locals are buried if they're unclaimed, unidentified,
Speaker 1: or sometimes because their families just can't afford to bury
Speaker 1: them closer to home. Back in the early sixteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: this land belonged to the Soinoy nation. They were indigenous
Speaker 1: to the coastal areas of the Long Island Sound in
Speaker 1: modern day New York and Connecticut. But then the Europeans
Speaker 1: arrived and massacred the local native communities. Eventually, the Cihinoi
Speaker 1: were left with no choice. They sold Hart Island and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand acres of other land to a British physician
Speaker 1: named Thomas Pell. Since then, it's played host to a
Speaker 1: prisoner of war camp, workhouses, a yellow fever quarantine site,
Speaker 1: and a psychiatric hospital. That is until it became the
Speaker 1: public cemetery it is today, which brings us to our story,
Speaker 1: our Jane Doe, our lost sister. When you start out
Speaker 1: an investigation like ours, trying to find someone who seemingly
Speaker 1: dropped off the map decades ago, it's hard to know
Speaker 1: where to begin. You find there's a lot more stumbling
Speaker 1: around in the dark than you expected. But occasionally the
Speaker 1: stumbles will they turn up something worthwhile, Like a few
Speaker 1: months ago when my producer Anna came across a charity
Speaker 1: called the Heart Island Project. They make it their mission
Speaker 1: to tell the stories of the people who are buried there.
Speaker 1: On their website, there's currently seventy five thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty three profiles which include everyone's basic burial information.
Speaker 1: Friends and loved ones can add anecdotes and photos to
Speaker 1: the profiles so that even in death, their loved ones
Speaker 1: can be brought to life. And that well, that's something
Speaker 1: that the girlfriends can get behind. So Anna called the
Speaker 1: charity and asked if they knew where our Jane Doe's
Speaker 1: remains could have gone after the medical examiners confirmed that
Speaker 1: she was not Gaale CAATs.
Speaker 2: If they didn't know who the torso belonged to, then
Speaker 2: it would automatically be buried on hard At because all
Speaker 2: human remains that are not released to a private funeral
Speaker 2: director are buried on Harde.
Speaker 3: Okay, so, without a doubt at some point that torso
Speaker 3: was buried on Heart Island.
Speaker 1: Yes, dear listener, I think we just found our first
Speaker 1: real lead. I'm Carol Fisher and from the teams at
Speaker 1: Novel and iHeart Podcasts, this is the girlfriend our Last
Speaker 1: Sister Episode three, Lost and Found. After Melinda, the founder
Speaker 1: of the Heart Island Project told us that our Jane
Speaker 1: Doe is more than likely on Heart Island. We asked
Speaker 1: her for some help.
Speaker 2: What I could do is go back and do a
Speaker 2: manual search for that time period in the ledgers to
Speaker 2: see if there's a torso listed.
Speaker 1: By ledgers Melinda means Heart Islands burial records.
Speaker 2: What is the time frame for the search?
Speaker 3: Literally, all we know is that it was in September
Speaker 3: ninety eight that she was identified as not Gail.
Speaker 1: It was during the lead up to Bob Berenbaum's trial
Speaker 1: for the murder of Gail Cats that the torso was
Speaker 1: confirmed not to be Gail, and so the official status
Speaker 1: was returned to Jane Doe.
Speaker 2: I would search starting September ninety eight through August two
Speaker 2: thousand and a female torso wright or black.
Speaker 3: White and watch the edge around thirty okay, obviously unknown.
Speaker 1: Melinda agreed to look into it for us. To be honest,
Speaker 1: we weren't that hopeful, but she assured Anna that if
Speaker 1: our girl was there, she'd find her.
Speaker 2: It's not that common to see it too. Are so listed?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Now, it's not common at all.
Speaker 1: With that, Melinda starts diving into the Hart Island paperwork
Speaker 1: to see what she can uncover. It's going to take
Speaker 1: a lot of painstaking work, individually examining page after page
Speaker 1: of handwritten ledgers. It could take weeks, maybe more. So
Speaker 1: once again we're left waiting for an email to come
Speaker 1: through that could change everything. In the meantime, Anna spends
Speaker 1: night after night in the glow of her laptop screen
Speaker 1: trawling the missing person's databases for anything that could lead
Speaker 1: us to our girl.
Speaker 5: Torso New New York City nineteen eighteen nine and Identified
Speaker 5: Bodies Database me case number R eight nine five six
Speaker 5: y three. Okay, so nothing comes up on that medical
Speaker 5: examining number. Okay, fucking hell, they all look like such
Speaker 5: serial killers.
Speaker 1: Seven horrible.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna Wikipedia the State of New York nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: and female Missing Persons report.
Speaker 6: Oh this is interesting.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, one of them was found on Staten Island
Speaker 7: unidentified monitorso isn't working.
Speaker 1: And then an email from Melinda and it gets the
Speaker 1: gang together on an emergency call.
Speaker 6: Oh what.
Speaker 1: She's clearly excited, but frankly, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fuck's going on. Tell me what it fucking says? Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 8: Wait.
Speaker 1: Page two, Rowe twelve. Is everyone that, oh wait, I'm
Speaker 1: on the wrong page. My attached to the email or
Speaker 1: some hazy photo copies of the handwritten Heart Island ledgers.
Speaker 1: It's pages and pages of names, dates, locations of death,
Speaker 1: and burial permit numbers. And there's one entry in particular
Speaker 1: that's standing out even to me. Oh, oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: oh my god, wait wait what Here's what it says,
Speaker 1: unknown female, age twenty, date of permit August twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: two thousand, date of death May twenty first, nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine on Front Street. That's exactly when and where the
Speaker 1: torso of our Jane Doe first appeared, down to the
Speaker 1: specific street and the date of permit basically when the
Speaker 1: torso was buried on Hart Island was August twenty four
Speaker 1: to two thousand, which is the same year that a
Speaker 1: certain fuckhead named Bob Berenbaum was convicted for the murder
Speaker 1: of Gailcats. Holy shit. But before we get too ahead
Speaker 1: of ourselves, Anna phones Melinda to see what she thinks.
Speaker 2: A match is a match. The date of death is correct,
Speaker 2: and the location is correct, and you know this person
Speaker 2: was unidentified. That's a match.
Speaker 1: Dare we say it that it's really our girl. After
Speaker 1: over a year's worth of investigation, it looks like we
Speaker 1: finally caught up with her. And now that we found her,
Speaker 1: we don't want to waste any more time, so we're
Speaker 1: going to pay her a visit. It's time to go
Speaker 1: to Hart Island.
Speaker 9: They only allow visitors to Heart Island once a fortnight,
Speaker 9: so after finding an entry for our lost sister and
Speaker 9: the ledgers, we booked the next available slot to visit.
Speaker 1: But while we found her gravesite, our job isn't done yet.
Speaker 1: She's listed as an unknown and what we really want
Speaker 1: to know is who she is. So we call some
Speaker 1: experts to ask how we can go about identifying her.
Speaker 1: It's a simple process to do an exhumation of a
Speaker 1: dough and.
Speaker 5: Then we just somebody just takes a sample and we go.
Speaker 1: This is Bob and Tracy from our friends. DNA DOE,
Speaker 1: the volunteer run organization that uses genetic genealogy to identify
Speaker 1: unknown people. In other words, they test DNA against other
Speaker 1: people that they have in their systems to build potential
Speaker 1: family trees and connect unidentify fight people with their loved ones.
Speaker 1: Now we should be able to get this kind of
Speaker 1: DNA information from the medical examiners, but as we heard
Speaker 1: in our last episode, they're not being very forthcoming. Luckily,
Speaker 1: DNA dough are the next best thing.
Speaker 10: Basically, if you're looking to draw the genealogy route, you
Speaker 10: would need to have the sample sent to a lab.
Speaker 10: They would create a profile. That profile would then be
Speaker 10: uploaded to gen match and or family Tree DNA and
Speaker 10: then try to make the identification of who that tour
Speaker 10: still belonged to.
Speaker 1: Finding our Jane Doe's family would be a dream come true.
Speaker 1: But as always, there's a catch, and.
Speaker 3: It's not really expensive.
Speaker 1: It varies with the DNA DOO project.
Speaker 10: We tend to offer some funding options for all volunteers,
Speaker 10: so we'd volunteer our services. There's also grants sometimes so
Speaker 10: there's money available. There are options where it's less expensive,
Speaker 10: but typically around five thousand.
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll go find some DNA.
Speaker 1: It's easy, right, Just go go get it.
Speaker 10: It's not that hard, right, just go get it.
Speaker 1: Shortly after the call with DNA Doe, Anna finds herself
Speaker 1: on the edge of the Bronx, standing in the freezing rain,
Speaker 1: waiting to board a ferry. Hi, Hi, how do you
Speaker 1: feeling next to her bundled up in a hat and
Speaker 1: gloves is Gail Kat's's sister, Elaine.
Speaker 3: Here's the people.
Speaker 1: Elaine spent nine years grieving beside Gail's grave when she
Speaker 1: believed the torso inside the coffin belonged to her sister.
Speaker 1: Elaine has never had the closure she deserves. Gail's body
Speaker 1: was never found and it might never be. Even all
Speaker 1: these years after our Jane Doe's torso was removed from
Speaker 1: Gail's grave, Elaine still feels a connection to this woman.
Speaker 1: It's why she's come today so she can pay her respects.
Speaker 11: Good morning to everybody, first and formal, even if this
Speaker 11: is your first, second, third trip.
Speaker 2: We would like to welcome everyone to Hart Island.
Speaker 12: We would like this worst our deepest.
Speaker 11: Condolers to you and your family, and we hope there's geperation,
Speaker 11: some sort of comfort.
Speaker 1: Or clothing together along with the clusters of families holding flowers,
Speaker 1: soft toys, and photos. Elaine and Anna board.
Speaker 6: The ferry a second submarine.
Speaker 1: On a nice summer's day. The outside deck is probably
Speaker 1: filled with people, but today, with the rough waves and
Speaker 1: biting wind, everyone is squeezed inside like sardines. The island
Speaker 1: is only a short distance away, but it's obscured from
Speaker 1: view by a thick, eerie fog. It feels sort of fitting.
Speaker 1: After a fifteen minute ride, the boat suddenly jumps as
Speaker 1: it makes contact with the dock on the other side.
Speaker 1: The weather isn't much better off the boat. It's gray
Speaker 1: and could probably be described as miserable, but luckily a
Speaker 1: lane doesn't mind.
Speaker 12: I want this to have the gloom be fitting and
Speaker 12: the cemetery. Yeah, you can probably be a little cold.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to just walk around Hart Island even
Speaker 1: if you were. It's so big and the graves are
Speaker 1: so many that you'd probably never find what you were
Speaker 1: looking for. So everyone is funneled onto a bus and
Speaker 1: dropped off at their pre book destination. The bus itself
Speaker 1: is small and crowded. Mourners sit next to each other,
Speaker 1: sharing stories of their loved ones. I think they called
Speaker 1: it Anna and Eline get off the bus. Waiting for
Speaker 1: them is Melinda Hunt from the Hart Island Project. She's
Speaker 1: agreed to show them around.
Speaker 6: You know the Transuans.
Speaker 2: They put a little yellow steak in a little shot.
Speaker 2: What's amazing.
Speaker 1: And there, just a few meters away from the bus
Speaker 1: is a small wooden marker in the ground, no tombstones,
Speaker 1: no names, no flowers. I'm not sure what we are expecting.
Speaker 1: After all this time, she really does feel like a
Speaker 1: sister to us, so finding her grave is such a
Speaker 1: significant moment. But here she's just another body stacked three
Speaker 1: deep in a plot of one hundred and fifty. It's
Speaker 1: not the ending we imagined or hoped for. It's honestly
Speaker 1: just sad. Standing at the graveside, all three women fall
Speaker 1: into silence.
Speaker 12: I am ashamed to admit that I closed the door
Speaker 12: on this woman in two thousand. I didn't want to
Speaker 12: take on a new challenge, but having no closure it
Speaker 12: kills you. It is a unbearable burden. When the girlfriends,
Speaker 12: he said to me, let's identify the torso, let's identify
Speaker 12: who is she. Let's bring closure to another family. Let's
Speaker 12: open this door. I thought that was just something that
Speaker 12: I wanted to be a part of.
Speaker 1: And after a short while, the bus reappears and a
Speaker 1: guard gestures for the ladies to get back on board.
Speaker 1: And then, after all this lead up and barely a
Speaker 1: few words, it's time to go. Everyone else here knows
Speaker 1: who they're visiting, but we still have no idea whose
Speaker 1: grave that was. We don't even know her name. Anna's
Speaker 1: thoughts returned to disinturing the torso for DNA testing. There's
Speaker 1: something about having stood in front of her grave that
Speaker 1: makes the thought of exhumation no longer abstract but very real.
Speaker 1: And this reality, it's not a comfortable one, because our
Speaker 1: lost sister has already been through so much, dug up
Speaker 1: and reburied over and over. And while our intentions are
Speaker 1: genuine and good, maybe she's fine, only at peace here
Speaker 1: on this island.
Speaker 6: But can we.
Speaker 1: Really walk away, never knowing her story, never knowing her name.
Speaker 1: Just as we think we're left with no option but
Speaker 1: to disturb her once again, we get another email. It's
Speaker 1: from the New York City Department of Social Services, which
Speaker 1: manages Heart Island. They found some updated ledgers. There's been
Speaker 1: a development. They don't understand what it means.
Speaker 7: If you look at cause of death, They've put a
Speaker 7: new little entry in there which says disinterred for OCME.
Speaker 7: On August sixteenth of twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: It says our Jane Doe's torso was disinterred once again,
Speaker 1: but this time from Heart Island. In twenty and thirteen
Speaker 1: eleven years ago. She wasn't even there when Anna and
Speaker 1: Elaine visited her grave. There's nothing on the ledger to
Speaker 1: suggest that she was ever reburied on Heart Island, So where.
Speaker 6: The fuck did she go?
Speaker 1: After learning the bombshell news that our lost sister was
Speaker 1: disinterred from Hart Island in twenty thirteen, we're back to
Speaker 1: square one again. It says on the ledger that the
Speaker 1: torso was disinterred by our old friends, the office of
Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner. So we reach out once more
Speaker 1: and ask them why. But we do have a theory.
Speaker 1: When our lost sister was exhumed from Gail Katz's grave
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, they kept her DNA profile on record.
Speaker 1: This is a common practice at the medical examiners, as
Speaker 1: it means Jane and John Does can still be identified
Speaker 1: years after their cases have gone cold. So if our girl,
Speaker 1: an unknown woman, was disinterred on Hart Island, a place
Speaker 1: where unidentified bodies are buried, you have to ask yourself
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't just disinter a body unless you knew
Speaker 1: who it belonged to, or at the very least had
Speaker 1: a strong suspicion. This suggests to us that not only
Speaker 1: could she have been identified, but she could be part
Speaker 1: of a criminal investigation, which also means there could be
Speaker 1: a suspect in her murder. We've always been inclined not
Speaker 1: to center any perpetrator on this show, and we stand
Speaker 1: by that decision. But maybe if we figure out who
Speaker 1: killed our loss sister, it might lead us to her identity,
Speaker 1: which is why Anna finds herself in Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: Hi, Hi, he saw me looking lost?
Speaker 11: I was right outside a million things real quick.
Speaker 1: Anne is meeting a man called Raoul Montero, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, can put together a wonderful fruit clatter.
Speaker 11: Add a little spread. So make yourself at home whatever
Speaker 11: you need. Nice to meet you, though, it's.
Speaker 1: Nice to Raoul's part citizen sleuth, part victim's advocate. He's
Speaker 1: best known online as catch Lisk. Lisk stands for the
Speaker 1: Long Island serial killer. That name first appeared in the
Speaker 1: media in twenty eleven after the discovery of multiple sets
Speaker 1: of remains on Gilgo Beach in Long Island. Tens of
Speaker 1: murders in New York and Long Island have been connected,
Speaker 1: both officially and unofficially, to this unknown killer. When we
Speaker 1: asked our listeners to write in with your tips on
Speaker 1: how we could identify our Jane Doe. The Long Island
Speaker 1: serial Killer came up several times as a suspect worth considering,
Speaker 1: and that's why Anna has come to see Raoul, someone
Speaker 1: who's obsessed with trying to identify lisk and, as his
Speaker 1: name says, catch them. Raoul started collecting data of missing
Speaker 1: and murdered people and entering it onto a map. His
Speaker 1: investigation soon outgrew the Long Island serial Killer, though he
Speaker 1: has now logged practically every case in New York since
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen. He even has a marker for our lost sister.
Speaker 1: It's the only database we've ever seen her list it on.
Speaker 11: I am breaking seven thousand locations that represent a person,
Speaker 11: and it's just never going to be finished.
Speaker 1: For our losses and for the nearly seven thousand other
Speaker 1: people on this map, Raoul has outlined what little is
Speaker 1: known about them.
Speaker 11: A dark red heart or a dark blue heart represent
Speaker 11: an adult male or female that their body has been
Speaker 11: found remains have been found. A dark red or a
Speaker 11: dark blue icon represent a male or a female adult
Speaker 11: that's gone missing.
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive visually. If you want to check it out,
Speaker 1: we put a link in the episode.
Speaker 11: Description, there's also a light color blue and a light
Speaker 11: color red on both of those icons that represent miners.
Speaker 1: Raoul would be the first to admit that this has
Speaker 1: become more of an obsession one did. He finds it
Speaker 1: difficult to step away from.
Speaker 11: It's like more people on the map, more information. I
Speaker 11: can see it, I can match it, and I can
Speaker 11: feel some sort of closure.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, maybe this is the perfect segue for
Speaker 4: me to show you some stuff that we have.
Speaker 1: About the Anna pulls out a folder of all the
Speaker 1: information we have on our Jane Dough, so the tools.
Speaker 12: I washed up.
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 7: We know from the.
Speaker 4: Autopsy report that they believe that the Dough had been
Speaker 4: murdered a few months prior, so that would be the
Speaker 4: time of death, with it being about February nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Anna starts listing out facts about our lost sister, like
Speaker 1: her predicted age and the condition of her body. But
Speaker 1: they zero in on where she ended up on the
Speaker 1: shore of Staten Island front Street Pier number three. This
Speaker 1: gets Roul thinking about where she came from.
Speaker 11: You know, where's that water flow at that time?
Speaker 1: If you follow the title path, it suggests that a
Speaker 1: body that washes up on that side of Staten Island
Speaker 1: could very likely have been dumped upstream towards Manhattan.
Speaker 11: These river will actually open up into the Long Island Sound,
Speaker 11: which it's the ties that really predicate where a torso
Speaker 11: might go.
Speaker 1: There are two rivers in particular running through Manhattan that
Speaker 1: naturally funnel out into Staten Island, the East River and
Speaker 1: the Hudson, So that's one lead on to the other one.
Speaker 1: The Long Island serial killer. Though his potential killings go
Speaker 1: back decades, they only garnered attention in late twenty ten.
Speaker 11: Shannon Gilbert, an escort, was out on Long Island in
Speaker 11: Oak Beach to see a client. Within a matter of
Speaker 11: hours of being in that house, she ran from there screaming.
Speaker 11: She was never seen alive again. During the ultimate search
Speaker 11: for Shannon Gilbert, the remains of ten bodies were found.
Speaker 1: Most of the bodies found along that stretch of land
Speaker 1: near Gilgo Beach and Long Island were female sex workers Jane.
Speaker 11: Those that find themselves tossed aside on some highway on
Speaker 11: Long Island, like so many other victims, were ignored for
Speaker 11: so many years because you're a minority, because you're a
Speaker 11: drug addict because you're a sex worker, and in that mix,
Speaker 11: serial killers prow.
Speaker 1: To this day, some of the victims found on the
Speaker 1: beach have never been identified, and until recently, there was
Speaker 1: no perpetrator identified either. For years, the police struggled to
Speaker 1: nail a key suspect, but that changed in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: Going back over.
Speaker 1: The evidence, the police zeroed in on a witness statement
Speaker 1: that describes seeing one of the victims getting into a
Speaker 1: Chevrolet Avalanche on the night of her murder. This ultimately
Speaker 1: led the authorities to one local man, Rex Hureman. Human's
Speaker 1: phone records were examined and he was found to have
Speaker 1: used burner phones to arrange meetings with some of the
Speaker 1: women whose bodies were found near Gilgo Beach. Finally, police
Speaker 1: found an old pizza box thrown away by Hereman and
Speaker 1: tested the DNA left on the crust. It matched a
Speaker 1: hare found near one of the bodies. Huerman is currently
Speaker 1: a waiting trial for four of the murders, although some
Speaker 1: suspect that he could be responsible for many more, dating
Speaker 1: all the way back to the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: Do you think that there's a chance that all Jane
Speaker 4: Doe could be a lift spectrum.
Speaker 11: I think there's always a chance. You look at early
Speaker 11: Liz victims who were dismembered and scattered. We look at
Speaker 11: Rex's building permits from the nineties and two thousands, and
Speaker 11: he's on Staten Island.
Speaker 1: So the Long Island serial killer sounds like a significant lead.
Speaker 1: But he's not the only one. There's another infamous serial
Speaker 1: killer that Anna wants to run by Raoul as a
Speaker 1: possible suspect when that she came across in one of
Speaker 1: her nighttime sleuthing sessions.
Speaker 8: Joel Rifkin, American serial killer who was sentenced to two
Speaker 8: one hundred and three years My god in prison for
Speaker 8: the murders of nine women.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: When it comes to New York serial killers, Rifkin rings
Speaker 1: a few alarm bells for us. He admitted to killing
Speaker 1: and dismembering his first victim in March of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: That's not the only coincidence.
Speaker 4: The head and the legs were found around the time
Speaker 4: of the murder, but nobody knew what happened to the.
Speaker 1: Toulso, as Anna lays out the similarities between our Jane
Speaker 1: Doe's case and rifkins first victim, she can see Raoul's
Speaker 1: cogs turning.
Speaker 11: Do you mind if I send a text? Yeah? I
Speaker 11: might get something right away. What who do you know?
Speaker 1: Raoul won't give Anna a name, but he knows a
Speaker 1: detective who was involved in Joel Rifkins's case. He fires
Speaker 1: off the text, and not long after a reply comes through.
Speaker 11: She did answer.
Speaker 1: The detective asks for more information, so they sent her
Speaker 1: everything we have on our Jane Doe, including the Hart
Speaker 1: Island ledger. When Anna leaves, Raoul promises to update her
Speaker 1: as soon as anything comes through, which thankfully doesn't take
Speaker 1: very long. Later that evening, there's a text from Raul.
Speaker 1: He forwarded Anna a message from the detective responding to
Speaker 1: all the evidence we gave them and our suspicions about
Speaker 1: Joel Rifkin. They simply say, there is your answer coming
Speaker 1: up next. On the girlfriends our lost sister, he said
Speaker 1: that he could only remember her name as Susie.
Speaker 2: To his horror, Susie suddenly popped up on the couch
Speaker 2: in a last stitch effort to salvage her life.
Speaker 5: Dear Anne, I've been searching for you.
Speaker 6: For over a year.
Speaker 12: Is this going to be the person that we're looking for?
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