1
00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,240
Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light.

2
00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,320
Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft.

3
00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,520
Speaker 1: Posted by the writers of Patriots dot Com. From now

4
00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,880
Speaker 1: until you hear the New England Patriots Slight, the countdown

5
00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,279
Speaker 1: is on. Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown presented by

6
00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,000
Speaker 1: bud Light.

7
00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,560
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up, everybody?

8
00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,759
Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of Patriots Draft Countdown, brought to

9
00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,200
Speaker 3: you by bud Light. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy.

10
00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,920
Speaker 3: Bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots,

11
00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,080
Speaker 3: and guys were just about two weeks to go here.

12
00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,120
Speaker 3: We're getting a little redundant on the quarterback of it all.

13
00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,440
Speaker 3: I feel like those guys have been in for visits,

14
00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,000
Speaker 3: so we're just gonna catch you guys up quick here

15
00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,920
Speaker 3: in the first segment on some latest news, and I

16
00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,479
Speaker 3: guess top of the list is Kyle Duggar signing an extension.

17
00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,879
Speaker 3: Not sure how much that really affects the draft, pol

18
00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,199
Speaker 3: I think we all still kind of feel like they

19
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,400
Speaker 3: could maybe use a free safety, but maybe a little bit.

20
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure it's a huge impact on the

21
00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,800
Speaker 4: draft either, but it is I think a good sign

22
00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,880
Speaker 4: because and I talked about this a lot during the

23
00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,680
Speaker 4: season last year, and clearly they thought it was important

24
00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,240
Speaker 4: to maintain, you know, as much of that continuity as

25
00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,479
Speaker 4: they could. But I thought Dugger in particular was one

26
00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,600
Speaker 4: of those guys that had sort of you drafted and

27
00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 4: developed second round pick, had some success, made some plays,

28
00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,440
Speaker 4: had a really strong twenty two season. Maybe didn't have

29
00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,840
Speaker 4: as many flashy plays last year as he did, But

30
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,800
Speaker 4: I thought it was a good message to sort of

31
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720
Speaker 4: send to not just maintain you know, that guy on

32
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,039
Speaker 4: the roster, but to say, we understand, you know how

33
00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,840
Speaker 4: you guys think in there, and this is what we

34
00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,240
Speaker 4: want to do. We want to reward you for being

35
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,640
Speaker 4: on board and being a big part of our team.

36
00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,960
Speaker 4: It's not like an achievement ofward or anything. The guy's

37
00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,039
Speaker 4: a good player. So I thought that was a you know,

38
00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,319
Speaker 4: a good sign, good good all around. I thought it

39
00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,560
Speaker 4: was good for Kyle Dugger, but also a good message

40
00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,520
Speaker 4: to send in the locker room.

41
00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you hear some reports out there that he was

42
00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,639
Speaker 5: pretty unhappy about the transition tag and getting that placed

43
00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,720
Speaker 5: on him. So just in terms of his happiness or

44
00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 5: his willingness or want to to be here, I think

45
00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,160
Speaker 5: it's a good thing. To get this extension done sounded

46
00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,920
Speaker 5: like it. It can't bread together pretty quickly over the

47
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 5: last week or so with OTAs and the spring programs

48
00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,000
Speaker 5: starting for the Patriots. But go back to the free

49
00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560
Speaker 5: safety thing real quick. I do think that that it

50
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,519
Speaker 5: continues to be in need. I just don't love him

51
00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,320
Speaker 5: playing up top like that, like he's Devin mccordy. I

52
00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,519
Speaker 5: just don't really think that that fits his style. I

53
00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,440
Speaker 5: don't really think it fits your guy, Jabril Peppers's style either.

54
00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,880
Speaker 5: So it's not necessarily that they need to bring in

55
00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 5: somebody that's gonna play eighty five ninety percent of the snaps.

56
00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,519
Speaker 5: But can you get it de Ron Harmon type in

57
00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,640
Speaker 5: the third or fourth round that on third down and

58
00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,200
Speaker 5: obvious passing situations, that's the player that plays the post

59
00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,960
Speaker 5: safety role in the man coverage schemes, and you allow

60
00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,880
Speaker 5: Dugger and Pepper's to be closer to the ball. Last

61
00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,600
Speaker 5: year career high in free safety snaps for Kyle Dugger,

62
00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,520
Speaker 5: Paul mentioned maybe not as many splash plays on the ball,

63
00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,800
Speaker 5: like A big reason why that was because he's so

64
00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,440
Speaker 5: far away from the ball. You know, if you're all

65
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,160
Speaker 5: constantly thirty yards off the line, of scrimmage, you're not

66
00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,720
Speaker 5: going to be near the ball as often as when

67
00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,680
Speaker 5: you're playing in the box. So I think that that

68
00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 5: remains in need. Maybe not one that they can use

69
00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600
Speaker 5: a high pick on this year, but someone in that

70
00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,640
Speaker 5: third or fourth round range. And there's a few guys

71
00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,880
Speaker 5: that fit that mold in this year's draft.

72
00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 3: Almost makes me think a little bit of Eugene Wilson, remember,

73
00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he was kind of a cornerback coming out right,

74
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,040
Speaker 3: and then when mLOY went, he just kind of got

75
00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160
Speaker 3: thrust into that free safety role a little bit there.

76
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,560
Speaker 4: I think we could go into a whole side story

77
00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,400
Speaker 4: about that. It was Antoine Harris and Rodney Harrison at

78
00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,120
Speaker 4: safety in week one, and you guys might recall they

79
00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,440
Speaker 4: lost thirty one to nothing. In Week two, it was

80
00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,240
Speaker 4: Eugene Wilson moving to safety and the rest was history.

81
00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,040
Speaker 3: As they say, all right, well, we've been talking a

82
00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,400
Speaker 3: lot about Drake May, JJ, McCarthy, Jay and Daniels. They're

83
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,120
Speaker 3: all builliing together. We know reports last week that all

84
00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,440
Speaker 3: three of those guys are coming in. I think May

85
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,560
Speaker 3: was here earlier late last week, Daniels I think was

86
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 3: here today, and McCarthy's coming so guys, it continues to

87
00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,680
Speaker 3: be kind of jockeying between those positions tease. I mean,

88
00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of getting I think we're getting a little

89
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,680
Speaker 3: worn out, especially with the third overall pick. As Evan

90
00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040
Speaker 3: did his runt about mock drafts, there's just not really

91
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,080
Speaker 3: a lot to consider other than I mean, for me,

92
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,760
Speaker 3: where I'm at, take May if he's there, otherwise trade down.

93
00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit sour on Daniels, but I'd still

94
00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,360
Speaker 3: be open to take him. But what do you think

95
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,360
Speaker 3: Patriots bringing these guys in clearly have interesting.

96
00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 6: I think you got to get a quarterback. It kind

97
00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,520
Speaker 6: of goes back Evan said before that Christmas game might

98
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,200
Speaker 6: come back to bite you in the butt. But I mean,

99
00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,360
Speaker 6: you want to take May, but then I think Daniels

100
00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,560
Speaker 6: the second best option. I'm not as sold on McCarthy,

101
00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,800
Speaker 6: but I hope as May or Daniels. So we'll see

102
00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:18,279
Speaker 6: in April.

103
00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what's interesting about the visits and really

104
00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,599
Speaker 5: this entire pre draft process has been a three horse

105
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,240
Speaker 5: race for the Patriots and Michael Pennix, bow Nicks, Spencer

106
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,599
Speaker 5: Rattler need not apply right Like they're not even in

107
00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,320
Speaker 5: the conversation and I think does tell you a lot

108
00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,839
Speaker 5: about what their thought process is. That they're the number

109
00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,200
Speaker 5: thirty overall pick and where they feel like they're going

110
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,520
Speaker 5: to take a quarterback in this draft. That just based

111
00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 5: off of everything that they've done. Unless this is the

112
00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,880
Speaker 5: smoke screen of all smoke screens, I don't really understand

113
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,320
Speaker 5: why they would. You know, we can get into that,

114
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,080
Speaker 5: I guess later. But they are honing in on these

115
00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,119
Speaker 5: three guys. These are the three guys that they've said

116
00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,440
Speaker 5: it continues to to their pro days that they've had

117
00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,160
Speaker 5: in for thirty visits. It just doesn't seem like they

118
00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,280
Speaker 5: have any interest in the second tier, third tier quarterbacks

119
00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,640
Speaker 5: in this draft. It's all about those three guys at

120
00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,839
Speaker 5: the top. So I don't necessarily take away much about oh,

121
00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,480
Speaker 5: they're more interested in this guy that guy quite yet,

122
00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 5: but I feel like in terms of the tiers of quarterbacks,

123
00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,640
Speaker 5: they are honed in on those top three guys.

124
00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Paul, those guys, I mean,

125
00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,360
Speaker 3: it was just kind of gotten.

126
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,599
Speaker 4: Everything Evan just said. I totally agree with it, you know,

127
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,920
Speaker 4: And Michael Panis is the only other one of those

128
00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,400
Speaker 4: guys that I even have a little interest in, and

129
00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,600
Speaker 4: I just can't come up with any rational explanation as

130
00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,920
Speaker 4: to why they've done so little in terms of personal

131
00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,839
Speaker 4: interaction with him if they were interested in him. So

132
00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,520
Speaker 4: I got to think it's it's down to those other three,

133
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,560
Speaker 4: and I think it's really you know, I think it's

134
00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,760
Speaker 4: between McCarthy in May because I think they feel like

135
00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,280
Speaker 4: Daniels is gonna.

136
00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:46,839
Speaker 3: Go to Washington.

137
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,919
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of like tease, I'm not really sold

138
00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 4: on McCarthy. So to me, I've I've wrapped my mind

139
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,680
Speaker 4: around Drake Man.

140
00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,279
Speaker 6: You don't go for and thirteen to pick JJ McCarthy,

141
00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,760
Speaker 6: That's what I'll say.

142
00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,640
Speaker 5: But that's a fair point. That's the thing that I've

143
00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,559
Speaker 5: always said about JJ McCarthy that's given me pause about

144
00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,159
Speaker 5: it is I just don't see game changing talent on film.

145
00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,719
Speaker 5: I don't see a guy that's going to come in

146
00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,360
Speaker 5: here and be your franchise savior. And I'd hate to

147
00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,400
Speaker 5: put that on any of these guys, but at least

148
00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,000
Speaker 5: with Jayden Daniels, obviously at the Heisman Trophy season, you

149
00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,359
Speaker 5: can see that on film of this guy can be

150
00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200
Speaker 5: an absolute game changer. Drake May with the physical tools,

151
00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,279
Speaker 5: absolute game changer. You know MVP caliber type traits. I

152
00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,200
Speaker 5: what are JJ McCarthy's traits in that category. I'm just

153
00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,159
Speaker 5: not really necessarily sure. I think that he's a great

154
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,279
Speaker 5: quarterback for a lot of different teams. I just don't

155
00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,240
Speaker 5: feel like the Patriots are one of those teams.

156
00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,400
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you heard Evan mentioned Jade and Daniels.

157
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,560
Speaker 3: We've got a pack show and we're going to go

158
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,839
Speaker 3: right now to Evan's film review of Jade and Daniels.

159
00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,520
Speaker 3: You also talk to Derek Klassen a little bit about

160
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,000
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, so it is still a quarterback jam show,

161
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,839
Speaker 3: and we'll finish it off though talking with the position groups.

162
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,640
Speaker 3: Everybody loves w receiver, tight end, running back, So jam

163
00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,159
Speaker 3: pack show. Check it all out.

164
00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 5: You can find him on Bleacher Report and Reception Perception

165
00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960
Speaker 5: with his QB chart. He's Derek class and Derek been

166
00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,720
Speaker 5: a big fan for a long time. Excited to talk

167
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,680
Speaker 5: to you about these quarterbacks today. How you doing?

168
00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,080
Speaker 7: First of all, I appreciate that, and second of all,

169
00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,440
Speaker 7: I'm doing great, doing good. It feels like we're kind

170
00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,000
Speaker 7: of really getting into that like real end push of

171
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:15,720
Speaker 7: the draft season.

172
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,400
Speaker 2: So it feels good.

173
00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

174
00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 5: Right, the hay is almost in the barn, as we

175
00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,920
Speaker 5: say around here, with the draft, and I've been reading

176
00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,560
Speaker 5: your charting on quarterbacks probably since I don't know, nineteen

177
00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,760
Speaker 5: twenty something like that. So those are great resources and

178
00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,520
Speaker 5: you guys should go check them out. So we're going

179
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,800
Speaker 5: to talk to Derek, of course about those quarterbacks, a

180
00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,200
Speaker 5: big area of need for the Patriots. I don't know

181
00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,120
Speaker 5: if you knew that, Derek, but you know the Patriots

182
00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,480
Speaker 5: might take a quarterback. It's a little topic around here

183
00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800
Speaker 5: every once in a while. So let's start at the top.

184
00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840
Speaker 5: And I want to start with Drake May because I

185
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,120
Speaker 5: have an affinity for Drake May. I've fallen in love

186
00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 5: with him during this process, and it's always great to

187
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,320
Speaker 5: see somebody like yourself also see a lot of the

188
00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560
Speaker 5: same things that I do, and why I think he's

189
00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,240
Speaker 5: such a great prospect for the Patriots in particular, you

190
00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,160
Speaker 5: see in Drake May And do you buy into some people?

191
00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,560
Speaker 5: You know, I'll name names, Chris Sims, you know has

192
00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,680
Speaker 5: him as QB six. You know, he's kind of all

193
00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,560
Speaker 5: over the place with all these rankings. But where are

194
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,120
Speaker 5: do you fall on Drake May.

195
00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,800
Speaker 7: I think he's fantastic, Like I think he's a truly

196
00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,680
Speaker 7: unbelievable prospect. Like we've done this whole thing with Caleb

197
00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360
Speaker 7: being like a, you know, one of the best prospects

198
00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,480
Speaker 7: of a generation, and I think he absolutely is. I mean,

199
00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,960
Speaker 7: we're probably not going to talk about him a whole

200
00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,080
Speaker 7: lot here because there's no shot the Patriots get him.

201
00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,960
Speaker 7: But I think May is like in that same tier

202
00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,440
Speaker 7: of player I even like, to me, May is the

203
00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080
Speaker 7: one a I will say, part of that is just

204
00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,120
Speaker 7: like my personal affinity for certain traits at quarterback, like

205
00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 7: I think, I mean, May is just obviously much bigger.

206
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,360
Speaker 7: I think some of what he can do as a

207
00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,240
Speaker 7: design runner I think is a little bit more valuable

208
00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 7: than Caleb. And then to me, what really really puts

209
00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,640
Speaker 7: Drake May over the top. I mean, there's a lot

210
00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,880
Speaker 7: of reasons, and we'll touch on all of them, but

211
00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 7: to me, it's just the way that I think he

212
00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,320
Speaker 7: handles the pocket and is able to throw with bodies

213
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,079
Speaker 7: around him is like, really really special. I think it's

214
00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,520
Speaker 7: the type of stuff you see from a lot of

215
00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,200
Speaker 7: the best quarterbacks in the NFL already, whether it's Josh Allen,

216
00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,640
Speaker 7: Justin Herbert, even Dak Prescott, I think has his quality

217
00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,400
Speaker 7: when he's thrown around bodies in the pocket and stuff.

218
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400
Speaker 2: I think May has that to him.

219
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,200
Speaker 7: And then when you combine that just on top of

220
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,840
Speaker 7: like the raw arm talent that he has, where he's

221
00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:20,760
Speaker 7: just able to put.

222
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,200
Speaker 2: The ball in.

223
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,720
Speaker 7: Places that seem almost impossible for a quarterback. And I

224
00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,240
Speaker 7: know people are gonna harp on him for like the consistency,

225
00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,040
Speaker 7: and I do think he has a couple of sprays

226
00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,120
Speaker 7: a game, but I think what you get out of

227
00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,960
Speaker 7: him on most plays and especially on his best plays,

228
00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,080
Speaker 7: it's what you chase when you're looking for a potential

229
00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,439
Speaker 7: top five, top six type of quarterback, and I think

230
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,520
Speaker 7: Drake May has all that stuff. And I think what

231
00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,640
Speaker 7: people need to remember too is like Drake May is

232
00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,400
Speaker 7: still a very young player. He's the youngest quarterback I

233
00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,400
Speaker 7: think in this class. JJ might be a little bit younger,

234
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,199
Speaker 7: but he's still like one of the He's a very

235
00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 7: very young player, and I think for him to be

236
00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,840
Speaker 7: as good as he is with even some of the

237
00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 7: flaws that people have, like oh, his footwork isn't perfect.

238
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 7: He has two sprays a game, he has like one

239
00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,160
Speaker 7: completely dog brained play like Josh Allen every game that

240
00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,720
Speaker 7: seems like the dumbest thing you've ever seen. But I

241
00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,439
Speaker 7: think so much of that stuff is fixable, especially when

242
00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,360
Speaker 7: you just look at the raw talent that he has

243
00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160
Speaker 7: and so much of the just gamer that he plays with.

244
00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,560
Speaker 7: Like I just I could gush about him forever. I

245
00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,600
Speaker 7: truly think he's a really really special prospect.

246
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,040
Speaker 5: I love that, and I think that's the original thing

247
00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,320
Speaker 5: that drew me to him is what you mentioned, and

248
00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,959
Speaker 5: coming off the Mac Jones experience. For Patriots fans, I

249
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,920
Speaker 5: think the biggest thing is is that you have to

250
00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,160
Speaker 5: have a baseline level of arm talent and being able

251
00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,480
Speaker 5: to drive the football down the field in those muddied pockets.

252
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,040
Speaker 5: I think with Mac, when he had a clean pocket

253
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,480
Speaker 5: to step up into and really put his weight behind

254
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,280
Speaker 5: a throw, he had the NFL caliber arm to get

255
00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,440
Speaker 5: the ball where it needed to go. But as things

256
00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,880
Speaker 5: started to fall apart around him, I think what we

257
00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,120
Speaker 5: noticed here in New England is that now all of

258
00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,960
Speaker 5: a sudden, he's thrown off his back foot or he's

259
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,160
Speaker 5: thrown from muddied pockets and he's not able to step

260
00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 5: into it, and he wasn't able to generate that velocity

261
00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,400
Speaker 5: that he needed. I remember there's one throw I watched

262
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,240
Speaker 5: early on where Drake May is backed up on his

263
00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,120
Speaker 5: own end zone and he kind of pumps to the

264
00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,000
Speaker 5: middle of the field to hold the hook defender and

265
00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,559
Speaker 5: then hits the crossing route basically flat footed coming across

266
00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,520
Speaker 5: the field the other way. And I was like, there's

267
00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,839
Speaker 5: no offense to mac, but there's just no way that

268
00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,040
Speaker 5: he can make that throw. And I think that that's

269
00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,520
Speaker 5: what we're looking for as Pats fans now, is that

270
00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,160
Speaker 5: raw talent and ability, that Josh Allen type of quarterback.

271
00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,400
Speaker 5: And that's why so many of us have fallen for

272
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 5: Drake May. One last question on Drake May. I feel

273
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,960
Speaker 5: like I know where you're gonna her head is gonna

274
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,199
Speaker 5: be at with this. But a lot of people, a

275
00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,600
Speaker 5: credible people have said that he needs to sit, that

276
00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,440
Speaker 5: he needs to be sat for a year, maybe maybe

277
00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040
Speaker 5: the Jordan Love track, or you know, even just Patrick

278
00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,520
Speaker 5: Mahomes sit his rookie season and then play year two.

279
00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 5: Where do you fall on that line and do you

280
00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,840
Speaker 5: think that he's so raw that he has to sit

281
00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,199
Speaker 5: behind a veteran quarterback.

282
00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 7: My take, honestly, with almost every prospect is that they

283
00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,640
Speaker 7: would probably benefit from sitting like I even think Caleb

284
00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,760
Speaker 7: like would benefit from.

285
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,640
Speaker 2: A year like I that's just generally a thing.

286
00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,280
Speaker 7: I believe the reality is that most guys just aren't

287
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,280
Speaker 7: like It's teams want to go play guys and they

288
00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,400
Speaker 7: want to see their investment on the field immediately. But

289
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,960
Speaker 7: I think, like within that context of thinking that most

290
00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 7: guys are just going to play anyway, I think may

291
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,959
Speaker 7: is totally fine being in that bucket because I think

292
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,240
Speaker 7: what we've seen a lot of the times is that

293
00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600
Speaker 7: the guys who don't sink and are able to swim

294
00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,560
Speaker 7: as as rookies even if they're not you know, like May,

295
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,800
Speaker 7: like I said, his footwork is not perfect. He is

296
00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,320
Speaker 7: probably gonna have to learn a little bit of how

297
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,599
Speaker 7: NFL offenses work, coming from two different styles of a

298
00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,080
Speaker 7: raid offenses at at North Carolina, Like, there are going

299
00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 7: to be growing pains. But I just think he's so

300
00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,920
Speaker 7: unbelievably talented. He's so athletic, he's so just like raw

301
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,880
Speaker 7: and brave in the pocket, and that type of stuff

302
00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,880
Speaker 7: I think is stuff that you can see translate and

303
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,880
Speaker 7: get productive play out of, even if he's not perfect.

304
00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,800
Speaker 7: I mean, I think even just last year we saw

305
00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,720
Speaker 7: this from Anthony Richardson right, Like Anthony Richardson, Is he

306
00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,000
Speaker 7: the most accurate quarterback right now? No, Like he could

307
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000
Speaker 7: probably clean up his footwork a little bit. Is he

308
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,000
Speaker 7: the fastest processor in the league right now? Like?

309
00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,199
Speaker 6: No.

310
00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,960
Speaker 7: He came from an offense that didn't ask him to

311
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 7: do as much as an NFL offense is going to

312
00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,440
Speaker 7: and I think it's going to take him a little bit.

313
00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,720
Speaker 7: It's going to take him a year or two to

314
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,240
Speaker 7: like really ramp up into that. But we still saw

315
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,960
Speaker 7: him be a very productive and like, very impressive quarterback

316
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,640
Speaker 7: in the few games that he was able to play,

317
00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,080
Speaker 7: in part because it's the arm talent that that we

318
00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,520
Speaker 7: both mentioned, where like he just has the raw ability

319
00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,240
Speaker 7: to make certain throws even if maybe he's late, maybe

320
00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,760
Speaker 7: his feet are off, like, he still can make certain throws.

321
00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,240
Speaker 2: And I think that that's really valuable.

322
00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,120
Speaker 7: And then he has pocket toughness, which I think he's

323
00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,320
Speaker 7: always going to translate immediately, especially I mean it's not

324
00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 7: even just that he has pocket toughness, it's that he

325
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,600
Speaker 7: was very battle hardened behind a terrible.

326
00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,600
Speaker 2: North Carolina offensive line.

327
00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 7: Like he's had a lot of reps where he's had

328
00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,840
Speaker 7: to be the guy under pressure and I think that's

329
00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,680
Speaker 7: going to actually help when he when he goes into

330
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,960
Speaker 7: the NFL and then he just has like that creative

331
00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,559
Speaker 7: I'm going to be superman. I'm going to go make

332
00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,640
Speaker 7: a play. And I think when you're just a rookie

333
00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,360
Speaker 7: thrown in to the fire, you have to have that.

334
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,920
Speaker 7: You have to have that mentality and then also the

335
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,760
Speaker 7: ability to go capitalize on it.

336
00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,440
Speaker 2: I think May checks both boxes.

337
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,800
Speaker 7: So yeah, he probably would benefit from getting a year

338
00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,240
Speaker 7: to clean up his footwork and learn NFL offenses. But

339
00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,280
Speaker 7: like he's he's going to be just fine. I think

340
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,440
Speaker 7: if he has to play right away.

341
00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed. We could gush about Drake May for probably

342
00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,280
Speaker 5: another thirty minutes. So let's move on to the next

343
00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,960
Speaker 5: couple quarterbacks here. You didn't you mentioned JJ McCarthy, But

344
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,080
Speaker 5: I want to get to Jaden Daniels first before we

345
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,200
Speaker 5: get to McCarthy. Jaden Daniels, I feel like is one

346
00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,680
Speaker 5: of those guys that when I first watched him, I

347
00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 5: was like, this guy's electric. He can do a million

348
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,480
Speaker 5: different things. I think he's a much better passer than

349
00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,880
Speaker 5: you know, those prototypical guys coming out that are pure

350
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,800
Speaker 5: runners like he is. But where do you follow with

351
00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,240
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels. It does sound like the commanders might be

352
00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,480
Speaker 5: locking in on him number two, but if he's there

353
00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,560
Speaker 5: for the Patriots at three. Overall, what's your take on Jayden?

354
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120
Speaker 2: I think he's a fine prospect.

355
00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,160
Speaker 7: I think I'm a lot lower on him than most people.

356
00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,520
Speaker 7: To your point, though, like when you first watch him,

357
00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,160
Speaker 7: whether it's on Sundays or just your first exposure to him,

358
00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,600
Speaker 7: or on Saturdays or just your first exposure to him

359
00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,920
Speaker 7: on film, there is a lot of stuff to like. Like,

360
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,040
Speaker 7: I think he is a very accurate passer to basically.

361
00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,840
Speaker 2: Every level of the field. On the throws that he does.

362
00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,360
Speaker 7: Make, I think he throws short and outside the numbers

363
00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:16,680
Speaker 7: really well.

364
00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,280
Speaker 2: I think he throws down the field really well.

365
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,120
Speaker 7: Even though he didn't throw the middle of the field

366
00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,720
Speaker 7: a lot, which is a concern I'll bring up in

367
00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,720
Speaker 7: a little bit, he did throw it well when he

368
00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,400
Speaker 7: actually triggered on it, and I think that at least

369
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,000
Speaker 7: the ability to do it is a nice thing in

370
00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,000
Speaker 7: his bag. He's obviously an unbelievable athlete. I mean, he's

371
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000
Speaker 7: going to step in and be one of the five

372
00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,160
Speaker 7: best probably rushing threats in the NFL. Immediately, and that's

373
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,800
Speaker 7: I think gonna be a really nice boost to whatever

374
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,680
Speaker 7: offense he takes. You know, whatever you get out of

375
00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,840
Speaker 7: him as a passer year one, you're gonna have that

376
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 7: floor with him as a runner, which I think is

377
00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,200
Speaker 7: super valuable.

378
00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,080
Speaker 2: He's the guy who I think he.

379
00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,200
Speaker 7: Progresses through concepts fairly well, and like he doesn't make

380
00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,520
Speaker 7: glaring mistakes. It's just sometimes he won't trigger and be aggressive,

381
00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,120
Speaker 7: which leads to like, okay, sometimes he leads yards on

382
00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,360
Speaker 7: the field, but also he never really puts the ball

383
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,120
Speaker 7: at risk. So it's a little bit of like, which

384
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,040
Speaker 7: do you want out of your quarterback?

385
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:11,800
Speaker 2: If that makes sense?

386
00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, me personally, why I'm a little bit lower on

387
00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,360
Speaker 7: him is like I want the guy who's just gonna

388
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,200
Speaker 7: blindly rip a dig route like I just that's why

389
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 7: I love Drake May. He'll just do it. Jaden is

390
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,200
Speaker 7: a little bit less willing to do that. He's a

391
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,320
Speaker 7: little bit more in the probably not as bad as

392
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,880
Speaker 7: Russell Wilson, but it's like in that Russell Wilson Jalen

393
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,680
Speaker 7: Hurtzish where it's like this is probably just never gonna

394
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 7: be his area of the field. And then the other

395
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,360
Speaker 7: thing with Jayden that I think has turned me off

396
00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,560
Speaker 7: from him a little bit is I don't think he

397
00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,000
Speaker 7: manages the pocket very well, and I don't think he

398
00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,800
Speaker 7: makes plays. I don't think he makes throws off script

399
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,040
Speaker 7: very consistently or very well, and he's not very willing

400
00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,280
Speaker 7: to do it. Like he's the guy where okay, one

401
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,720
Speaker 7: to two to three in a clean pocket, he's gonna

402
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,800
Speaker 7: make a good throw for sure, there's no doubt about that.

403
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 7: I think when he gets pressured and gets moved off

404
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,280
Speaker 7: his spot a little bit, he is very quick to like, Okay,

405
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,399
Speaker 7: the play's dead, I'm running. And that's great at the

406
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,840
Speaker 7: college level. I think in the NFL it's really really

407
00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 7: hard to get away with.

408
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,240
Speaker 2: Being that way.

409
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,280
Speaker 7: I think the best NFL quarterbacks are guys who, Okay,

410
00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,080
Speaker 7: initial plays dead, I'm gonna get outside of the pocket

411
00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,680
Speaker 7: and look to throw first. I think you even see

412
00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,879
Speaker 7: this from like people who are comparing him to Lamar Jackson.

413
00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,439
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is very.

414
00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,080
Speaker 7: Much like outside the pocket, eyeser up, he's looking to throw,

415
00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,119
Speaker 7: but run if he has to. But he's very much

416
00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,520
Speaker 7: a guy who's looking to make throws outside of the pocket.

417
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 7: But Jaden, I just don't see that as much, and

418
00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,240
Speaker 7: I think that's a really hard thing to get a

419
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,880
Speaker 7: guy to do.

420
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,680
Speaker 2: So that's kind of some of my concerns. Like I said,

421
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,040
Speaker 2: I think.

422
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,440
Speaker 7: There is a lot to like, I'm just a little

423
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,560
Speaker 7: bit more hesitant on or a little bit more wary

424
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,919
Speaker 7: of what his ceiling is, I think than some other people.

425
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you brought up a lot of really

426
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 5: good points. The thing that stood out to me is

427
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,359
Speaker 5: that there's this play against Florida where he's got Malik

428
00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,520
Speaker 5: Neighbors jumping up and down in the middle of the

429
00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,919
Speaker 5: field asking him to throw him the ball, and he

430
00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,320
Speaker 5: passes it up wide open, dig round in the middle

431
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,879
Speaker 5: of the field, and he ends up running for fifty yards.

432
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 5: On the play, he just takes off scrambling and he runs,

433
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,359
Speaker 5: And on the one hand, it's like, wow, that running

434
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,600
Speaker 5: ability is dynamic. That's difference making. But on the other hand,

435
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 5: in the NFL, you'd probably rather him take the dig

436
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,359
Speaker 5: route right and let the playmakers do the work instead

437
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,639
Speaker 5: of having him have to do everything himself. So that

438
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 5: was one of those plays that I felt like was

439
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,879
Speaker 5: the perfect encapsulation of the yin and the Yang with

440
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,720
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels, where he's gonna pass up some things in

441
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 5: the middle of the field that other quarterbacks are guys

442
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,000
Speaker 5: in the league will trigger on, like you said, But

443
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 5: then he's also going to be able to have that

444
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 5: tantalizing running ability. So it's like, you know, how do

445
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 5: you pick on him too much for it when he

446
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,240
Speaker 5: just broke off a forty five yard scramble. But I

447
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 5: think that that, coupled with the fact that he does

448
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,720
Speaker 5: have the smaller frame and the durability concerns, if he's

449
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 5: always looking to run, then is he gonna last, you know,

450
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,679
Speaker 5: and is it gonna be able to be consistent and

451
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 5: sustainable at the next level or our legitimate concerns. The

452
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,280
Speaker 5: other concern I wanted to ask you about. I know

453
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 5: I always do this. It always sounds like I'm trashing

454
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 5: on Jaden when I'm like, not really trying to. It's

455
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 5: just I think that there are some concerns there with him.

456
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,159
Speaker 5: The other thing that I think was a little bit

457
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 5: concerning to me as well, is that so much of

458
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 5: his production came off those slot fade routes, throwing to

459
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 5: neighbors and too Brian Thomas Junior, and where are his

460
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 5: layups in an NFL offense, and where's the easy yards

461
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 5: for him, especially if he comes to a place like

462
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 5: New England where he might not have those outside winners.

463
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 5: You know, he might not get step into an offense

464
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 5: right away with the Patriots where he has two premium

465
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 5: elite receivers on the outside to make those plays. Do

466
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 5: you think that he can be a guy that survives

467
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 5: without the supporting cast, I guess is the best way

468
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 5: to look at it.

469
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 2: I would be a little bit concerned.

470
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 7: And I think that's a great point because even in

471
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 7: my charting that I did for him, a lot of

472
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,640
Speaker 7: his production, like you said, is either those slot fads

473
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 7: that they ran or just standard goballs, or he threw

474
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 7: a lot of like hitches and curls outside the numbers.

475
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 2: And to your point, it was a lot of like, Okay,

476
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 2: I've just.

477
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 7: Got to top fifteen picks on the outside. I'm going

478
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 7: to go give him a shot. And like I said,

479
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 7: he's great at doing that. But when you no matter

480
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,239
Speaker 7: what team he goes to, he's going to have like

481
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 7: a on a relative level, less talent outside than he

482
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,160
Speaker 7: had at LSU. And so you're gonna have to calibrate

483
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 7: for that. And so when you couple that with some

484
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 7: of the concerns I have with him throwing the middle

485
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 7: of the field, It's like, ah, this gets a little

486
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 7: bit sticky. And then with me, the other concern with

487
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 7: Daniels is I think he's actually even more so than receiver.

488
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 7: I think a guy who absolutely needs a rock solid

489
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 7: offensive line just because of some of the you know,

490
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 7: pocket management and like quick to run type of tendencies.

491
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: That I see from him.

492
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 7: I think, I mean, obviously nobody is going to replicate

493
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 7: the Eagles offensive line, but like he needs to be

494
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 7: in a Jalen Hurts esque like incubator where that you

495
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 7: can kind of almost nullify that part, like that issue

496
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 7: of his game. And I think, especially if he goes

497
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 7: to Washington, that's going to be a problem because their

498
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 7: offensive line is to arriable. And then I think even

499
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 7: in New England it would probably be an issue because

500
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 7: their offensive line is a little bit better than Washington's,

501
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 7: but I think also still still very much an issue.

502
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, And you know that's

503
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 5: why I've gravitated towards Drake May throughout this processes. I

504
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 5: just feel like for the Patriots it's just makes more

505
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 5: sense it fits together a little bit better. But I'm

506
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 5: glad you brought up the things about Jayden Daniels as

507
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 5: a processor, because I do think he is much better

508
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 5: getting through progressions than some people would think at that

509
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 5: type of quarterback. And I also think that, you know,

510
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 5: even though he doesn't have the biggest of arms, the

511
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 5: throwing motion and the mechanics of his throwing are really

512
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 5: really clean, maybe even cleaner than Lamar coming out in

513
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 5: some ways, and just in terms of the footwork and

514
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 5: the mechanics of his release and things like that. But

515
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 5: let's wrap this up with two quick questions on JJ McCarthy.

516
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 5: We could probably go along on this one as well,

517
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 5: so feel free to go as long as you want.

518
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 5: But JJ McCarthy, I think this has been the most

519
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 5: frustrating aspect. I'm not gonna lie to you, Derek about this.

520
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 5: This process, this draft process, is that he's just without

521
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: playing a football game, has all of a sudden come

522
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 5: out of nowhere in his you know, a top five

523
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 5: quarterback prospect that we have to take seriously at three. Overall,

524
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 5: with that being said, I am taking it seriously. Do

525
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 5: you take it seriously? Because at this point there's too

526
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 5: much smoke for me to just completely dismiss that JJ

527
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 5: McCarthy's in this conversation.

528
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do take it seriously, and I personally am

529
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 7: not that high on him as a prospect, but I

530
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 7: would be stunned if he falls any further than like

531
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 7: the Giants at six. Like, I think there's almost no

532
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 7: world where he gets past that, because I do think

533
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 7: all of the you know, smoke about him going that

534
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 7: high isn't smoke, Like that's I think it's very very real.

535
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 7: I think teams really do like him in that mold,

536
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 7: and I think a big part of the reason is,

537
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 7: I mean, you get a lot of like, okay, you know,

538
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 7: Big School won a lot.

539
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: That's that's always going to help.

540
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 7: But I think a lot of it too is his

541
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 7: very young player who was in a general sense like

542
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 7: kind of untested just between the competition that he was

543
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 7: playing on relative or against, relative to how good his

544
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 7: team was, and then just some of the things that

545
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 7: the offense asked him to do, Like they run a

546
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 7: pro style offense in the sense that they like go

547
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 7: under center and they'll run play action and he gets

548
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 7: to check plays.

549
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: Every now and then.

550
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 7: But in terms of the throws that they're actually asking

551
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 7: him to make, and the stuff they're actually asking him

552
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 7: to do in terms of posting that processing is not

553
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 7: that much more impressive than like what Jaden Daniels was

554
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 7: asked to do or Klub or Drake may like, it

555
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 7: really isn't that different, even though the presentation looks a

556
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 7: little bit more NFL like they did a lot of

557
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 7: they would just do that like return motion where xtra

558
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 7: receiver comes back into the formation, goes back out and

559
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 7: they throw the fly out and it's like the easiest

560
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 7: read in the world and he probably got a thousand

561
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 7: yards just throwing that route. So I think because of

562
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 7: all that relative untestedness, and then you look at the

563
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 7: arm strength that he has, the athleticism again some of the.

564
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: Winning you can just be like he's a mystery box.

565
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 7: You can see whatever you want because there's such a

566
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 7: relatively small sample of things, and then you just get

567
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 7: to project tools into being whatever you want. I've been

568
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 7: a little bit more cautious with it in terms of

569
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 7: like how I project it, but I do understand why

570
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 7: some teams are like, you know, you could project these

571
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 7: tools with you know, three years of development into being

572
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 7: you know what Jordan Love has become or something of

573
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 7: that of that nature.

574
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good cop. But I think the biggest

575
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 5: things with me with JJ's first of all, there's still

576
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: some of those WTF plays on his film where he's

577
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: just throwing the ball in the team meetings and stuff like.

578
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 5: I can't get the Maryland game out of my head

579
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 5: either where you know, he's back to back turnover worthy

580
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 5: plays in the red zone, or the very very first

581
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 5: play from scrimmage against Alabama and the playoff where he

582
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 5: just throws a terrible and I don't think it counted.

583
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 5: I think the guy was out of bounds or something,

584
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 5: but it still counts in my book, right, you know,

585
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 5: in PFF's turnover worthy plays, they'll still count. So you

586
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 5: look at those types of plays those are are concerning.

587
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: The other thing is that he has that wide, elongated

588
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: base that he throws from to really drive the ball

589
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 5: down the field. And I wonder, you know, going back

590
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: to the mac Jones thing that we were talking about

591
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 5: with Drake May, when those pockets are more condensed and

592
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 5: there's more bodies around him, there's more people flying around,

593
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 5: is the arm strength going to be as impressive as

594
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 5: what it seems to be from those Michigan pockets, Like

595
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 5: I feel like we had to adjust with Mac to

596
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: Alabama pockets, like these are Michigan pockets that he's throwing

597
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 5: from last year. So where do you kind of grade

598
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: his physical tools because I feel like I'm a little

599
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 5: bit lower on like his arm, talent and even his

600
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 5: mobility at times than other people. Where other people talk

601
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 5: about him on the same plane as Drake May. And

602
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: when it comes to those types of traits.

603
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 7: As it pertains to Drake May, Yeah, I don't think

604
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 7: he's close to us talented as Drake May. And that

605
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 7: is not even really to take away from JJ. That

606
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 7: again is just like how much I think Drake May

607
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 7: is super talented. My comparison for McCarthy's arm has actually

608
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 7: been Baker. Yeah, where Baker can like he can put

609
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 7: RPMs on the ball, Doue like he can spin it,

610
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 7: especially over the middle of the field. It's just that

611
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 7: Baker and j are very much throwers where it kind

612
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 7: of takes everything in their body to get all of

613
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 7: that velocity.

614
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, that's cool.

615
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 7: That gets them to where they need to be for

616
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 7: the NFL threshold and all that stuff.

617
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: It gets them over it.

618
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 7: But because they're sacrificing, like you know, putting all of

619
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 7: this effort into the velocity, they kind of lose a

620
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 7: little bit of control. And I think you especially see

621
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 7: that with McCarthy when he's either throwing outside the numbers

622
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 7: where you need like a little bit of air under

623
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 7: the ball, get some arc on it, when he's throwing

624
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 7: like corner routes, some of the deep outs, all that

625
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 7: sort of stuff. And then every now and then you

626
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 7: can see it on like the crossing routes, like the

627
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 7: deep overs they would throw in the offense where maybe

628
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 7: it's trailman coverage and you can't.

629
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: Just pin it on a guy.

630
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 7: You've got to like put a little air under it,

631
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 7: let your guy, you know, put the ball over the defender.

632
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: I think sometimes he can struggle to do that.

633
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 7: So I do agree in the sense of like physical talent,

634
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 7: he's more of like a B B plus than like

635
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 7: in the A plus range like Drake and Caleb and

636
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 7: all that stuff. And then athletically probably not ever going

637
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 7: to really be a guy that is a serious run

638
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 7: threat for you. It could be like you know, where

639
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 7: one or two times a game you run his own

640
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 7: rate on you know, fourth and one or whatever. I

641
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 7: think he could probably do that, But generally, I think

642
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 7: he's more just a guy who gives you enough enough

643
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 7: athletic ability to get outside the pocket and make plays.

644
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 7: But he's not gonna be one of those guys who

645
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 7: is like a serious, serious rushing threat every week, the

646
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 7: way that you know Jaden or Drake or Caleb are

647
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 7: going to be.

648
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, all right, last one for you. In

649
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: terms of the rest of the quarterback class, I feel

650
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 5: like that's the best way to put it. Who is

651
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 5: your favorite out of the next tier of Pennix, Knicks,

652
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 5: maybe even Spencer Rattler. Do you have a favorite out

653
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: of that group?

654
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 7: I go back and forth between Nix and Rattler because

655
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 7: they're just two completely different flavors. Like I grade them.

656
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 7: I have the same exact grade on them for Bleacher Report.

657
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 7: It's just that one Nicks. Nix is more of like,

658
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 7: I know what I'm getting here. I know I'm getting

659
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 7: a guy who pretty accurate to almost all levels of

660
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: the field, has enough arm strength, even though it doesn't

661
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 7: really I think he's a good enough athlete to actually

662
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 7: be more of a designed runner than even like JJ,

663
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 7: who we just mentioned. I think he can be in

664
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 7: the Daniel Jones, you know, get five hundred yards out

665
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 7: of this type of runner.

666
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy.

667
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 7: Who generally doesn't make mistakes, gets the ball out of

668
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 7: his hands cleanly. He can do all the RPO, you know,

669
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 7: quick game stuff. To me, he's more like in the

670
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 7: I think if bo Nix becomes like Andy Dalton, that

671
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 7: would not really be a surprise to me, and I'd

672
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 7: really have a hard time seeing him be like terrible.

673
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 7: So I think in the if you just want a

674
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 7: guy who you know what you're gonna get, Nix is

675
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 7: totally fine. I think if you want the flash, Rattler

676
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 7: is the guy. Rattler is just like I think I

677
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 7: said something like this on Twitter, but like, to me,

678
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 7: the two guiding principles for like a really really good

679
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 7: quarterback prospect are arm talent and pocket management. Rattler's got

680
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 7: it man Like arm talent. I mean, I don't even

681
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 7: need to really talk about that. I think we've all

682
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 7: seen Spencer ratleyh throw football. But the pocket management stuff

683
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 7: really impressed me when I went back and charged him,

684
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 7: because that South Carolina offensive line. If you guys haven't

685
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 7: seen it very bad, Like it's terrible.

686
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on there.

687
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 7: I think someone tweeted a thing where like I think

688
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 7: in like ten of twelve games they had a different

689
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 7: starting five up front, which is just that's not how

690
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 7: you want to operate in the SEC.

691
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: Especially in college.

692
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: You don't see that very often.

693
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And so I think for him to have

694
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 7: to deal with that was just really tough, and it

695
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 7: obviously led to some just terrible plays because when you're

696
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 7: behind on the scoreboard and you're under that kind of pressure,

697
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 7: you're just naturally going to make bad plays. But I

698
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 7: think you also saw a lot of really really good

699
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 7: ability for him to move around the pocket, keep his

700
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 7: eyes up, keep a firm base, throw from some really

701
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 7: weird and tight platforms like we were just talking about

702
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 7: with like you know, JJ and Jayden, that might be

703
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 7: an issue, but with Rattler, I don't think that's a

704
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 7: problem at all. I think he can make any throw

705
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 7: from any platform, no matter how crowded it is. So

706
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 7: I think there's definitely some consistency issues you're gonna have

707
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 7: with Rattler in terms of accuracy, in terms of maybe

708
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 7: some of his scattered decision making, but man, if you

709
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 7: can get him into I think a little bit more

710
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 7: stable situation than he had. The raw talent is just

711
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 7: I think leaps and bounds better than any of the

712
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 7: non top four guys.

713
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: I love it.

714
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: I love it.

715
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: He's Derek Klassen from Bleacher Report and Reception Perception. Go

716
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: give him a look on Twitter as well at QB

717
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: class and Derek, I really appreciate you doing this. It

718
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun.

719
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. This

720
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: is great.

721
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: All right, folks, it's maybe the episode you've been waiting for.

722
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: We still got quarterbacks to do, but today we're going

723
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: to rifle through running backs, tight ends, and yes, wide receivers,

724
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: all positions to need for the Patriots. Maybe tight ends

725
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 3: a little bit less so after signing Austin Hooper and

726
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: Hendra Henry there at that position. But let's start off

727
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: with running back guys in this position. Start with you,

728
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: Evan that you know it's kind of been devalued a

729
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: little bit, and I don't think there's really a high end,

730
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, number one kind of guy, But there are

731
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: a number of later round guys. Why don't you give

732
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: us those some of the top round guys that maybe

733
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: maybe maybe a little bit too soon for the Patriots.

734
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is not a particularly strong running back

735
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: class at the top. Like you said, there's no Christian McCaffrey,

736
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: there's no Saquon Barkley. There's not even a Jamier Gibbs

737
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: in this class. This is or Bijon or one of

738
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: those guys. This is a Day two and three running

739
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: back class. I think the number one running back consensus

740
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: for the most part is Blake Korum from Michigan. I

741
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 5: also hear a lot of Benson from Florida State as well.

742
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: He's up there too. But those two guys that are

743
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 5: really the start, I would say probably in the third round.

744
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 5: May maybe one of those guys sneaks into the back

745
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: of the second round just because somebody wants to jump

746
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 5: ahead and pick one earlier than everybody else will. But

747
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 5: at some point in this draft there'll be a run

748
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: of a run of running backs that will all come

749
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: off the board, and those guys can all be a

750
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: part of a committee and be you know, useful players

751
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 5: at the NFL level. They're not again, they're not going

752
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: to be bell cows. They're not going to be that

753
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: stud running back. But if you're talking about getting a

754
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: tag partner for Ramandre Stevenson, you know those exist in

755
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: this draft in droves. Like there's a lot of those guys,

756
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: but none of them really are looked at as like

757
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: difference makers or game changers.

758
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: What do you got, PAULI? And any of these guys

759
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: strike your fans out?

760
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I like Korum a lot, but I

761
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: agree with Evan in terms of, you know, where does

762
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: it make sense for the Patriots. I also like Jonathan

763
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: Brooks a little bit, although kind of one year of production,

764
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: so maybe some question marks there. There are guys that

765
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: were lead backs. There were guys that you know that

766
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: certainly carried the load. But I think, you know, like

767
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: Korum is a guy that you look at him, you're like, oh,

768
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: he must be a passing back because he's not very big,

769
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: but he is that kind of a league guy. And

770
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: I like the way evn't talked about it. A tag

771
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: team guy for Remandre Stevenson. I just don't think you

772
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: can afford to do it. I think you're going to

773
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: be looking at Day three guys and I'm not even

774
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: sure that you have enough room for that. I think

775
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: that that's it's a spot like you can't fill everything

776
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: in one draft, and I'm not sure running back meets

777
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: the threshold here. There's some guys that can play. And

778
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: I would add, you know Benson as well with Florida

779
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: State that Evan mentioned. I do like some of these players.

780
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: I think there's some skill, not enough really for the

781
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: Patriots to think about him in day two.

782
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as we get into day two, day three,

783
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: tis any of those guys.

784
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: I think Korum is a day two, day three guy.

785
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 6: He kind of reminds me of Philip Lindsay, just very downhill.

786
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 6: Also catch the ball. That's one of the comps over there,

787
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 6: Philip Lindsay. They you know, yeah, no made a Pro Bowl.

788
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 6: Yeah no, fifty eight rushing touchdown or touchdowns at Michigan.

789
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 6: You can't ignore that. Can do a bit of everything.

790
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 6: So that's kind of the sweet spot where i'd take

791
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 6: a running back. Other than that, if you're the Patriots,

792
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 6: you're looking six seventh round hopefully and maybe undrafted free agents.

793
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: Were we were into Bucky Irving, we were at the combine.

794
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: We were talking Bucky Irving and then he kind of

795
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: had a terrible combine. But historically like his You know,

796
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: he looked explosive in the games, but we got there

797
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: in the testing numbers not so much.

798
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Bucky Irving's an interesting guy. And you know

799
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 5: some some of these other guys too, like Tyrone Tracy

800
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: Junior from Purdue or Dylan Lobby, the local kid from

801
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: You and h those guys are all interesting. I just

802
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: feel like when they sign Antonio Gibson, those guys are

803
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 5: more of those sub package pass catching backs. Probably not

804
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: what they're looking for now. They're probably looking for somebody

805
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: in that early down roll Ramandre Damien Harris, like that

806
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: sort of running back, which there are some options to.

807
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 5: My My favorite running back of this entire class is

808
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: Marshaon Lloyd from USC. I just think that he's got

809
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: the ability to run between the tackles and catch the

810
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 5: ball out of the backfield great Senior Bowl week. But

811
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 5: he's also like a vertical threat in the passing game too.

812
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: Seems you know, run the run the wheel route, you

813
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 5: know that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, just definitely one

814
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 5: of those backs that can do a bit of everything.

815
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: And the way that he runs does remind me a

816
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 5: little bit of Vermondre where he's a bigger back, but

817
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 5: he has that ability to move laterally and make guys

818
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: miss and find the right holes and things like that.

819
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 5: So he's probably an early day three guy. I would

820
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 5: say maybe end of round three, early round four, but

821
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 5: you know that's probably where I started even thinking. Is

822
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: that fourth round pick. I've kind of pegged it as

823
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: a tight end spot, but maybe they think of it

824
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 5: as more of a running back spot.

825
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Braylen Allen from Wisconsin was once the other one.

826
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 3: Giant dude. I mean, he's like fun to watch. Maybe

827
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: not not Derek Henry, but like kind of similar size.

828
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 6: I got a late round guy. I love the NFL bloodlines, Paul.

829
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 6: We talked about this in the last episode. But Frank

830
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 6: Gord Junior, all right, guy, I love Frank Gord Junior

831
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 6: can handle the workload and that's like, you know, potential

832
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 6: sixth seventh round guy. Maybe u DFA.

833
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: So yeah. So Will Shipley is a guy that I've

834
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: always kind of watched at Clemson. Pretty productive. I get

835
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 4: a little worried about guys that have that much wear

836
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: and tear before they even get into the league, but

837
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: pretty productive guy. I agree again with both Tis and Evan.

838
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't think there's that star power in this group.

839
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be your flavor, your particular liking. You're

840
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: gonna take someone in round five or something, and you're

841
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: gonna hope that maybe he's better than Kevin Harris and

842
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: maybe he can earn a roster spot. Will Shipley's a

843
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: guy I thought that had some versatility, you know, a

844
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: lot of production in the ACC. I know people don't

845
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: think of that as as strong as his other conferences,

846
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: but I think he has some ability to in Irving

847
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: your guy, because you guys had me on Bucky Irving too,

848
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: so I watched him man, you know, and Evans again

849
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: right about Gibson probably mitigates that need, but he struggles

850
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: in pass protection. I don't think that's.

851
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: Uh, he's smaller. That that was not a.

852
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: Third down back that you necessarily clamor.

853
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 5: To, Yeah, he's a smaller guy. I think the hope

854
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 5: was was that he does show a lot of explosiveness

855
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: on tape and that that did not translate to the combine. Now,

856
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 5: historically speaking, running backs, it's not a big combine position

857
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 5: because so much of it is how you carry the

858
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 5: ball in pads and how you break tackles and stuff

859
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 5: like that, so it's not really a big combine position.

860
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 5: But Bucky Irving is one of those guys. I think

861
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 5: his r S was like one point nine out of

862
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 5: ten or.

863
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: Like it was.

864
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: It was a bomb, you know, it was a very

865
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: very bad combine. Sorry, I like you a.

866
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: Lot, So let's let's then, uh, let's move on to

867
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: tight ends. And I mean i'd say it's kind of

868
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: a similar class maybe. I mean you have Jatavian Sanders

869
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: probably at the top, but otherwise you're really looking at

870
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: like day two day.

871
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: Sorry, I I just you guys, do you know what?

872
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: You know what the problem with brought Howers is? I

873
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: just I You're limited because I'm like, I'm like, I

874
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: can't even think about him. Don't even get excited about him,

875
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: because there's plenty of reasons obviously to get excited about

876
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: brock Bowers.

877
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 6: So wanted you give us a little brock Bowers. I mean,

878
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 6: he's been doing it for a while. Is he a

879
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: senior junior senior junior junior? He did in the in

880
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 6: the one of the finals he went off. So I

881
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: wasn't really focusing too much on the top guys because

882
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 6: as a fan. I'm a low worried if they pick

883
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 6: a tight end above the fourth so I'll go down

884
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 6: to some of the lower round guys. We talked with

885
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 6: Tonat and at the combine, but also I said it

886
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 6: in the intro episode, Dallon Hulker from Colorado State just

887
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 6: one of those receiving tight ends. He can break loose,

888
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 6: good hands, has some speed for being a big guy.

889
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 6: So that's one of the guys I'd like to see

890
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 6: the pass maybe snag.

891
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: Later in the drafts. Sonat's all over the place right

892
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: like everybody's got its Phil Perry. I mean, he just

893
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of that sweet spot of like

894
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: a fourth round kind of guy. Really athletic, you know,

895
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: maybe needs to you know, work on blocking and who

896
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: doesn't really at this level. But he's a favorite through

897
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: I got a red flag on him.

898
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: He's a tight end out of Iowa who went to

899
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 4: Kansas State and Iowa what was wrong? And he played

900
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: he played hockey with the tight end factory. Why didn't

901
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 4: we go there?

902
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: Well, there's a guy named Eric all who's also in

903
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 5: this class, who plays at Iowa. But I'm just gonna

904
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: come out and say this tight end class stinks. It's awful. Okay,

905
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be honest with you, especially coming off

906
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: of the tight end class last year and how stacked

907
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: that group was. This group is brock BAERs gap, Jitavian

908
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: Sanders gap. People that might make an NFL roster. That's

909
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: this class.

910
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 6: Let's have it like some of the best NFL tight

911
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 6: ends are drafted in the mid round, So who knows,

912
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 6: it's crap teas.

913
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 5: With that being said, Kate Stover So, Kate Stover is

914
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: a converted defensive end, which I like, right because he's

915
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 5: got he's got some some nastiness to him, you know,

916
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: because he does come from that defensive background. So if

917
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: you want a guy that can put his hand in

918
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: the dirt and block some people, Cad Stover can do it.

919
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 5: He's just not a dynamic receiver.

920
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: Right, and he'll take some time. And the fact that

921
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 4: you have Henry and Hooper, two veterans in front of him,

922
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 4: would give you some time. But again, this is the

923
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: day three guy. This is Yeah, you're just not in

924
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: a position. It's not a luxury. That'd be a luxury

925
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: pick to take a guy and not expect anything else.

926
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the one guy that I would probably

927
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: put in that category of let's take this guy as

928
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: a flyers, THEO Johnson from Penn State, because of how

929
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 5: good he was at the combine six six two fifty five.

930
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: He is the second most athletic combine tester at the

931
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: tight end position. Ever, in thirty years of the combine,

932
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 5: nobody has tested better than him, I think except one guy.

933
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: Think it was Vernon Davis who tested ridiculous. So he's

934
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 5: that ball of clay of just pure athleticism. Didn't have

935
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: a ton of production at Penn State in the receiving game,

936
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: passing game. But if you're looking for the untapped potential

937
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 5: high upside, that sort of guy, I would say THEO Johnson.

938
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 5: I've liked Benson it throughout the entire process, so I'm

939
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: in on him as well. But in terms of this

940
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 5: tight end class, there's just it's just not exciting. There's

941
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: just not much there. And I think for a team

942
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: like the Patriots that you really have so many holes

943
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 5: to burn a pick in the top one hundred or

944
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: the top one twenty five, even on one of these

945
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 5: tight ends, it's gonna have to be the right guy,

946
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 5: like it's gonna have to be a guy that you

947
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: really like.

948
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: I just throw Jared Wiley in there from TCU two

949
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: just says, if you want like a third tight end,

950
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: like a big blog, I mean, he's like a six

951
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: six two seventy. I mean he's maybe that third guy,

952
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: which I mean could be a role. But again, do

953
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: you really need to draft that. They have so many

954
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: other needs. So without further ado, though, we're gonna get

955
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: right to the wide receivers now, and I'm not sure

956
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: how much how long this segment's gonna go. We're gonna

957
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: try to keep it right. Ivan, go easy on these guys, know,

958
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: but we've been Look, we've we've been talking and we

959
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: were saying before, like we've talked Marvin Harrison, Leak, Neighbors,

960
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: Roma Dune Day, those kind of top Yes, yes, yes,

961
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: them all. There's plenty of analysis out there. I mean,

962
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: we can touch briefly upon those guys, but really it's

963
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 3: more about more realistic options for the Patriots. Of course,

964
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: like they could go sideways and take Harrison or Neighbors

965
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: at the top. We don't really think that's gonna happen,

966
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: but you know, I'll tee you up first.

967
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Evan.

968
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: Though, as we get down, you know, into that like

969
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: late first round, early second round. That's where the Patriots

970
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: maybe are gonna be picking or they could trade up.

971
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: Who do you see those guys in there? I know

972
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: Adie Mitchell is probably the top.

973
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Adie Mitchell, and both Texas guys Adie Mitchell, Xavier Worthy,

974
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 5: both guys I think are really good, gonna be good pros.

975
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: I have my tiers are published on on Patriots dot

976
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 5: com for these receivers. I have twenty guys that I

977
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: that I think are gonna be top one hundred picks

978
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: in this class. Maybe at some point towards the end here,

979
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: I'll just rattle all of them off so we can say, well,

980
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: you didn't talk about this guy wedcad to go to

981
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 5: a minute six second four, So I'll t tease up

982
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: for this because we were just talking about this off

983
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 5: the air. The one guy that rowse up for me

984
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 5: more than any other player in this class from when

985
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: I started doing this in January to now is Xavier

986
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 5: Lagete from South Carolina. When I watched him initially, I

987
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 5: got a lot of le viscashonal vibes down at the

988
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl. Also just stiff, you know, big you know,

989
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty one pound guy, some vertical speeds,

990
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: some scheme touchability, but not really a great route runner.

991
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 5: But the more that you watch him, you see some

992
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: other guys that he could develop into that are a

993
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 5: much better comp than Leaviska. But I know you have.

994
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: I had.

995
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 6: I don't know if I get killed for this. I

996
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: had a faster and Kwon Bolden. All right, he okay, No,

997
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 6: I'm serious. He's built, he's got hands, he can he

998
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 6: can play deep, play across the middle, a very dangerous

999
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 6: can run after the catch. That's kind of like the

1000
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: guy the Patriots need. And this could be a second

1001
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 6: round steal. And that's like that sweet spot of where

1002
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 6: you want to get a guy. You hope he's a

1003
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 6: day one starter or at least gets a lot of

1004
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 6: playing time in his first year. So that's who I have.

1005
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: So the only thing I'd say about that is that

1006
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 5: an Kwon Bolden was an awesome route runner. Yeah, really

1007
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 5: quick feet, really good.

1008
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: Was also much faster when he came out of school

1009
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: than what people remember. Yeah, like the Arizona and Kwon

1010
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 4: Bolden was electric. I think he had two hundred and

1011
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 4: fifty yards in his first ever game. Yeah, and then

1012
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: he sort of became kind of plotting, the crafty guy.

1013
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, can take the hits, good hands, reliable.

1014
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what So my comp this whole time for

1015
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 5: the get Spindibo. I just think that he's one of

1016
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 5: those guys that probably isn't going to have a traditional

1017
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 5: NFL route tree, But if you just find different ways

1018
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: to get him the ball in his hands and let

1019
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: him run with it, whether it's quick hitters, over the middle,

1020
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 5: scheme touches, vertical routes, whatever, he'll be able to do

1021
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: those types of things. But I don't think that he's

1022
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: going to be one of those guys that's gonna have

1023
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 5: a ton of branches.

1024
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: So I would applaud that because I think there's a

1025
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: similarity between the two different guys that you chose. Obviously

1026
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 4: Deebo too with the South Carolina connection that might be

1027
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: part of I like him, I like Lagette, and I'm

1028
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: gonna trust Evan here. I'm gonna put my trust in

1029
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: Evan about the route running because I kind of saw

1030
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: a guy that kind of looked like he was rounding

1031
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 4: things off a little bit. But I'll trust that you

1032
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: watched a lot more than I did, Yeah, be an

1033
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: interesting guy, interesting prospect, and I alway did well, you know,

1034
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: testing and all that.

1035
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 7: You know.

1036
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: I don't like his route running just okay, yeah.

1037
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: I thought he was kind of rounded some stuff.

1038
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, he's not a route runner.

1039
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: To feel better about it now.

1040
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 5: That's why I compared him to Debo, because I think

1041
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 5: he if he's in the right role and he's used correctly,

1042
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 5: he's such a game breaker before and after the catch

1043
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: with his speed, and there's only so many guys that

1044
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: at two hundred and twenty one pounds run a four

1045
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 5: to three nine like that doesn't just grow on trees.

1046
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 5: So I really like him, but I love I also

1047
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 5: really like the technicians in this class. I think all

1048
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 5: of them are really really good options. On day two,

1049
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie, Lad mccaucky, Roman Wilson, Ricky piersall the two

1050
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 5: Washington kids, Polk McMillan, all those guys run routes. They

1051
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 5: all have PhDs in route running. They're all awesome at

1052
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: the top of the route. They all you have all

1053
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 5: that technical savvy that you want. I really like McMillan.

1054
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: A little bit later, if you're looking for like sixty eight,

1055
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 5: you know down the line here, I comped him to

1056
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 5: like a more explosive Jacobe Myers, you know, Jacobey Myers,

1057
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 5: but with a four four seven, like that type of player.

1058
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 6: So you didn't mention Troy Franklin. What are your thoughts

1059
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 6: on him?

1060
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: So, Troy Franklin, I liked initially his combine was rough

1061
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 5: and he ran a four to four to one, which

1062
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: was good speed, but it's not elite elite speed. My

1063
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: com for him has been Jerry Judy. I just think

1064
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: that he he's got much better route running skill than

1065
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 5: people give him credit for, but play strength and being

1066
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: able to finish through contact is going to be a concern.

1067
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: I think that there's a chance that he's got Jerry

1068
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 5: Judy like drop issues at the next level because of that.

1069
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: So that's why I think he's going to be able

1070
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 5: to separate. I don't think that's going to be an

1071
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: issue for him. It's going to be finishing the catches

1072
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 5: that's going to be more of the problem.

1073
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: Who else you Well, I just want to know if

1074
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: Evan could give us the summation to Keon Coleman his favorite.

1075
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 5: So here's the thing about Keon Colemanuh, Keon Coleman has

1076
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 5: a lot of red flags, and then there's also a

1077
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: very very high ceiling if he does reach the potential,

1078
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: he doesn't separate, he doesn't run well. His contested catchability

1079
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 5: is supposed to be his calling card. He only caught

1080
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 5: thirty three percent of his contested car charge targets last year.

1081
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 5: For comparison, Romadu's day caught seventy five percent of his

1082
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 5: contested targets. That's a mouthful. I can't say that. So

1083
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 5: you're telling me that this is like a jump ball

1084
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 5: artist who doesn't even really catch jump balls all that well,

1085
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 5: So what's the upside to Keyon Coleman is that he

1086
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 5: plays a lot faster than what he timed in the

1087
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 5: forty yard dash. So this is a guy that if

1088
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: you like the in game tracking data, you know, the

1089
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 5: GPS stuff, he's gonna run twenty plus miles an hour

1090
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: at six three two twenty five and that's gonna attract

1091
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: people to him. So I think at best, he's like

1092
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: maybe like an Alan Robinson type, you know that wins

1093
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: with that size and that ability to pick up yards

1094
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: after the catch and you know, can test the grabs

1095
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: things like that. At worst, I see a lot of

1096
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 5: nik Kill Harry. I do like I see a lot

1097
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 5: of the same type of vibes as nik Kill Harry,

1098
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 5: where he's you know, just a plotter, like he's just

1099
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 5: not particularly.

1100
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: I saw him, you know, a couple of times watching

1101
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: Florida State games, and I was not overly impressed with

1102
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: anything but his size, his sheer size. So I kind

1103
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: of agree a couple of late guys, and I'm surprised,

1104
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: you know, mister bloodlines, right, I have just have other guys.

1105
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: I just think in terms of the whole double dip, right,

1106
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: we talk about the Patriots going to try to get

1107
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: somebody maybe in the second round, you know, or the

1108
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: third round, and then maybe you double dips. So I think,

1109
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, Jermaine Burton had him pretty inconsistent. You know,

1110
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 4: the production's not I don't think where you would think

1111
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: for a program like Alabama, but you know these I

1112
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: think the second of two I wouldn't be too upset about,

1113
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 4: you know, maybe rolling the dice, you know, Brendan Rice being.

1114
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 5: Love Jermaine Burton. I think Jermaine Burton, if good job, Paul,

1115
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 5: if Jamaine Burton wasn't a head case, there's something there's

1116
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 5: something going on, then he might be a top fifty

1117
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 5: pick in this draft, just simply based off of talent.

1118
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 5: He's a very good vertical threat. I comped him to

1119
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: Darius Slayton with the Giants, like he has that explosive

1120
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 5: down the field ability. But he's got a thicker frame,

1121
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 5: so he's not like Troy Franklin who's like a little

1122
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 5: bit frailer. So he's got a lot going for him

1123
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 5: physically and just in terms of the profile, but he

1124
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: he has some offfields.

1125
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: I had Ricky Purse all we talked about earlier. Love

1126
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 6: him on real hands, which is key. I just don't

1127
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: know if he's the receiver the Patriots need right now.

1128
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 6: He's more of a slot guy. Yeah, But then also

1129
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 6: had tes Walker. We mentioned him in a couple episodes.

1130
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 6: I just don't think there's any downside bringing him in

1131
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: with a potential quarterback he's familiar with.

1132
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was kind of him. Yeah. I didn't

1133
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: really like him a first either, And I think the

1134
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: only reason I've kind of like opened up to him

1135
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: is just preally his speed and his connection with Drake May.

1136
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: If Drake May were to be here, But two other

1137
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: names I feel like we got to mention Malchi, Corley

1138
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: Good and Jevon Baker, two guys that Baker have kind

1139
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: of come on to lately, but not the fastest guy,

1140
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: but inside outside And you know you said it tisays

1141
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: like someone like Brendan Rice, like has some outside potential.

1142
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: And I think when you're getting down Patriots have a

1143
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: lot of interior receivers right now and as you get

1144
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: later into these picks like who can play on the outside,

1145
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: who can get off press, who's got speed enough to

1146
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: draw some coverage with him. So I don't know if

1147
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: those two guys are And Baker has some inside outside flexibility,

1148
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: but you know, Corley is again kind of a poor

1149
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: man's These are the guys I'm kind of drawn to.

1150
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: Laviiscus Chanal. You know, you're got those debo vibes a

1151
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: little bit because.

1152
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 4: You know, you know, you and I were the only

1153
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 4: two fans.

1154
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 5: Viscus is my comp for Coraley because Coraley his average

1155
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: air yards per target was five point five yards.

1156
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: This is this is that guy that.

1157
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: Caught like a million screens, a million slants, a million

1158
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 5: crossing routes, you know, over the middle of the field,

1159
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 5: and he's running back you know, with the football in

1160
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 5: his hands, so just let him run with it. I

1161
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 5: like the Baker shout a good, good player. I think

1162
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 5: you know, Alabama transfer goes to UCF for more opportunities.

1163
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 5: He's a good player. There's one other guy, oh, Johnny

1164
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 5: Wilson from Florida State is the is the last guy

1165
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 5: that in my top twenty that I don't think that

1166
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 5: we mentioned by name other than you know, BTJ and

1167
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: some of the other guys that are going to go

1168
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 5: at the top of the draft. But Johnny Wilson is

1169
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: an interesting player. Six six, two thirty monster, but runs routes,

1170
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 5: you know, can run routes pretty well. He's not he's

1171
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: not stiff, He's not you know. Kelvin Benjamin, you know,

1172
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 5: is a guy that can get in and out of

1173
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 5: a break and run some routes and do some different things.

1174
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 5: So this is a that this is one of the

1175
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: best receiver classes we're ever gonna say. It's it's honestly

1176
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 5: that good. It's top heavy, it's it's deep. Like there's

1177
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: gonna be a Puka Nakua in this class. I'm sure

1178
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 5: that's gonna get taken in the fourth or fifth round.

1179
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: That ends up being a stud to it's an impressive class.

1180
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: We can just tell by how much we're talking about

1181
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: anybody there, anybody else, Paul. We didn't mention tease anybody,

1182
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: we did. I mean, I feel like we covered so

1183
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: much and that you know, speaks to your point, Evan,

1184
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: how deep of a class this is. It's a huge

1185
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: need for the Patriots. Paul and I've been going crazy

1186
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: for about five years now that they haven't hit on

1187
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: one of these guys. It's time they need to at

1188
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 3: least take one of them, maybe do the double dip,

1189
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: as Paul said, so plenty there to digest there at

1190
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: the weapons positions, all big needs. All right, that's gonna

1191
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 3: do it for this edition of Patriots Draft Countdown. Only

1192
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: two more shows left. We're gonna wrap things up with

1193
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 3: a live show there on April twenty, fourth, full hour

1194
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: long edition. I don't know what, Maybe we'll have some

1195
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: more news by then, but certainly a lot of build

1196
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: up here to the twenty twenty fourth draft.

1197
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: It's a hugely important.

1198
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: One for the Patriots. So just two more weeks, two

1199
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: more episodes to go. We'll see you next time.